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Chris Knowles | Sibyl, The Year That Broke Reality, and The X Files; Declassified · My Family Thinks I'm Crazy

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  [SPEAKER_01]: My family thinks I'm crazy, podcast where I, your host, try to give you some tips on how you can explain all this weird, wild, crazy conspiracy stuff The people you love most, because that's what I've been trying to do for the past 10 years with no success.
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now they don't want to listen.
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to hear it.
• 0:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're just like, oh, here we go, Mark.
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Off again.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It would be hard to be a Mark again.
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that's the thing about all I'd best.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, nobody in 1983 understood what the internet was going to do to everything in the world.
• 1:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was going to do to our economy, our culture, our science, our behaviors, nobody had any clue.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody had any clue in 1993, you know, what the internet would eventually
• 1:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: due to us all.
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the fact that we have sort of the three building blocks of I would argue that the generation of our culture, which being, of course, the internet, cell phones and graphical internet, graphical user interface computers, all remearing in the same year.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what are the odds of that?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Just those three events alone, I think, would shake a lot of people up if they really consider the implications then.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, our technology is not, I've always said, and I believe to this day, that our technology is not strictly mechanistic, particularly when you get into computers and software.
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it really is a kind of, uh,
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Blackmagic, I guess a few years ago now, but a lot of people in Silicon Valley were microdiosing with mushrooms and so on.
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we can't separate that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at the geography, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you look at the Bay Area.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: We had a lot of the psychedelic culture growing out of quite frankly, NK Ultra field experiments,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Palo Alto, Silicon Valley, I mean, what is it like an hour or two south of San Francisco?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's all part of that same culture really.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, so the beach culture, San Jose, Santa Cruz, and so on, which is all, particularly in the 70s, it was very steep in LSD and all the less of it.
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, we can't separate these things.
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: You just heard today's guest, Synchrom Mystic, and Headmaster at the Secret Sun Institute.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's also a writer and an author whose latest book is titled XF Ultra.
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: The X-Files Conspiracy Culture and the National Securities State.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He joins me, Mystic Mark, Ear, and the My Family Fixing Crazy Podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for tuning in and enjoy this conversation with Chris Nalls.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The concept 1983, which probably most of you weren't even born then, was a really pivotal year in so many different ways.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: finding more and more that it's a really pivotal year and very, very strange ways.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But just to give people an idea, the internet was went online on January 1, 1983.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The first cell phone call was made in 1983 and that was when cell phone started to be marketed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We are right there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I hear a lot of crunching and I hear a lot of them.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm here a lot of activity over there.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought I was muted.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's all right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's all right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And also the first graphical user interface computer, which was the Macintosh, Alicia Lisa premiered in January 1983 and that was the direct the direct precursor to Macintosh and to windows.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So those are the kind of like the building blocks of the entire reality that we're living in, the internet, cell phones, graphical interface and the evil empire that is Microsoft, all right.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there were just a number of things.
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm learning things about that we're going on
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  [SPEAKER_00]: In 1983, there was a lot of strange activity with the Stargate program and the grill flame, all that kind of remote viewing CIA stuff.
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a paper that got a lot of attention a few years ago that the CIA put up on its website from
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: the remote viewing and talking about non-local consciousness and the exact mechanics of that, which is a paper that I think everybody out there should read.
• 6:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was just so much going on that changed our reality on a very fundamental scale.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it felt different.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The more and more I'm researching it, I'm remembering what it was like because I was 16 years old in that year.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just remembering that it didn't feel like 1982, didn't feel like 1984, it didn't feel like 1985.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was just a very strange type of, almost like a standalone.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It, this something happened.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the other thing that I should really mention too about 1983 is that we almost went to,
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: full-scale nuclear war on at least three occasions.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We had three close calls that year.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then there was also the Downing of Korean Airlines, 007, by the Russian Air Force.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There was an American congressman on there who was somebody who the New World Order types would have reason to be happy if his plane went down in the C.U.J.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Pan, let's just say.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I named Larry McDonald who was a very outspoken critic of globalism in the New World Order.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was on that flight.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: everything that happened around that flight, even with all the repercussions for the Cold War and so on and so forth, it was really about getting rid of Larry McDonald because he was too prominent and too outspoken as far as his anti-globalist views.
• 8:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there was just so many things happening
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: that changed our reality.
• 8:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm really looking deeply into this activity at CERN because there were two major uns that were discovered in 83 at CERN, after several years of nothing happening there at all.
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the last major discovery they had was in the mid-70s.
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So all these types of things that, if you weren't alive before, then you probably don't understand just how profound these changes were.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: All these changes, so many of which trickle, sort of a long time to establish themselves.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there was a lot of things going on, basically, for lack of a better term, and I know this is something that you cover a lot yourself, is sort of like edge science,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: what a lot of people call pseudo science, but I think things going on that we're not supposed to know about what you're saying.
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're not supposed to think a real, we're not supposed to think actually change.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: the world.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know exactly when the Mandela effect kind of stuff started kicking in, but I mean, who knows?
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people have always asked me about Surnin and everything, and I've always kind of begged off because I'm not a particle physicist.
• 9:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I have to have to kind of look at the footprint of it.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: But so anyway, the point being is that I've really
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say revolution because it wasn't something that people were necessarily involved and but there was definitely a major turning point in I believe the very structure and basis of reality in that year and there were a lot of things that
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: came out of that, that sort of manifested themselves from that.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you look, I've been looking at a lot of the films that came out that year, the music, all these kind of things that we see where, when major changes are coming, the artists and the sensitives and people like that are, or at least used to be the first people who would notice that something different was coming or was happening.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I'm going to be looking a lot again at all the film and so on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the popular culture of that period.
• 11:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you look at Stranger Things, right?
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stranger Things, the first one, the real one, as far as I'm concerned, takes place in November.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It starts on November 6, 1983, which to me seems, I'm not exactly sure what data
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: pool, they're drawing from, but that seems like a very strange date to just sort of land on.
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're familiar with, I mean, I don't necessarily buy into it, but if you're familiar with the Mon Talk experiments, 1983 also plays a big role in those.
• 11:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of things going on in the new age movement in 1983.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there's just a lot of, let's just say, emanations.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: All that big a deal, I mean, nobody in 1983 understood what the internet was going to do to everything in the world was going to do to our economy, our culture, you know, our science, our behaviors, nobody had any clue, you know what the internet would eventually do to us all.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the fact that we have sort of the three building blocks of, I would argue, the generation of our culture, which being, of course, the internet, cell phones and graphical use or interface computers, all remearing in the same year.
• 12:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what are the odds of that?
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's, you know, just those three events alone,
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think would shake a lot of people up if they really considered the implications of them.
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, our technology is not, I've always said, and I believe to this day that our technology is not strictly mechanistic, particularly when you get into computers and software.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it really is,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: a kind of black magic.
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say there are.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Let me button and ask you this because I've heard you talk about this kind of concept and in this realm quite a bit and a question that I wonder recently is, you know, this black magic is you're putting it, this maybe,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I tend to think of it as like a mirror of our consciousness, like we're creating something that is in essence.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It can't supersede our consciousness because we're using our consciousness to create it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to mirror our consciousness in a way.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You think this is why people are obsessed with the simulation theory idea.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think this might be implanted in the same way a lot of this stuff was brought into the culture in 1983.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This whole simulation
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily, I don't necessarily believe that it's all just
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  [SPEAKER_00]: products of our you know unconscious or collective conscious or whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're doing it all.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that we are subject to forces far beyond our influence.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're subject to forces far beyond a control.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot more to it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I tend to get a little nervous, let's just say when people try to say, well, I'm going to just sort of put it all on this box.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put it all on this box.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily think that's the way to approach.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even human consciousness, I think that there's so much more going on and things that we necessarily might not even recognize or realize.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So does that answer your question?
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, and you know, we're very much on the same page and a lot of the things that we think of.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I, this weekend had a needle, a sewing needle, three centimeters deep into my foot, and I had to fly on an operating table for to get it out.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's already Chris and this is why I bring this up is like my mantra throughout the operation was I am not my body, you know, and there's there's a power in that there's a whole ordeal it was in my foot for 15 hours It did not hurt nearly as bad as you to imagine until I was actually stepping on that foot Then yeah, you know having that experience on the operating table was like a reassurance like
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, you can get through this just breathe and it's funny.
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I felt like I kind of affected the doctors in a way because my optimism helped them get it done.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Because honestly, I didn't want it to go on any longer.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the more I could cheer them to get this out of my foot, the better.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But part of me really lives and believes that we are in this sort of
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  [SPEAKER_02]: responsive to our thoughts and impulses in a way that goes out of our hands.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that we are simulating our reality.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's apt to believe that there's forces above us and greater than us that we're subject to, but to take it back to where we started
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  [SPEAKER_02]: and I might edit that beginning part out because my laptop microphone was picking up the beginning of the episode instead of my system.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Streamy art.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little issues, but to take it back to where we were just starting in the year that broke reality
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: how does this connect to the sibling saga that you've been covering?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Because this is a big theme throughout your work, the civil which for people who aren't familiar with civil is to sort of a profit from these holy sites, maybe the most famous would be the Oracle of Delphi would be an example potentially of a civil right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not necessarily like an entity in itself.
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the oracles at Delphi were called Pithia and they were connected to symbols, but not exactly the same thing.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the distinctions might seem a little formal and not essential, you know what I mean?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But there were there were differences and they were seen as being separate entities or separate phenomena.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been reading a lot of Rudolf Steiner because he talked about everything and it's just like a machine of just, you know, he would give these like three, four hour lectures sometimes every day, you know, in his prime.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But he talked a lot about the civil as well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I hadn't really been aware of that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And Phil K. Dick believed, and I think that he was correct in that assessment that, you know, the commune symbol would would reincarnate, which, which I think has happened, but.
• 18:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Steiner, what a very heavy emphasis on the cibbles as well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, cibbles as sort of seen is this kind of like pagan weirdo, like psychic, you know, strip mall, psychic kind of deal, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But they really weren't.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they were very, very highly valued by priests and generals and kings and all the rest of it back then.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They were seen to be very important figures.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: women who lived in caves and spotted all this gobbledy goat that the priests would then interpret.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that they show up at turning points in history.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I do believe that we are in a very profound turning point in history.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The question,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: is where are we going in history?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What are we turning to, right?
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: What point are we turning to?
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's an open question.
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there are a lot of people who will have very strong feelings on any number of interpretations of that.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that we are, as we speak, in the middle of a very profound shift in change
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: our culture, we're going to be seeing it in our economy and our social institutions.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I'm really taking a very hard look at 1983 again, because to me, what happened in 1983, boiled down quite simply, and this is going to connect to a lot of things that I've talked and written about that maybe some of your patrons might not be familiar with.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: what we think it is and that technology as much as everything else is kind of a medium or a vessel for non-human intelligence and has been since the very earliest days.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I've always been very interested in a lot of
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Pivotal scientists and inventors and engineers and so on, who will tell you or had told you or told us, you know, this wasn't my idea.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I woke up one morning and something was beaming it into my head or, you know, I had this encounter with this strange small creature who told me all this information, you know?
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or I'm receiving, you know, in Tesla's case, I'm receiving these transmissions from Mars and so on.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: We want to think that science and technology is this, you know, very clean and pure, reductive pursuit that has no connection to the supernatural or the occult, but nothing could possibly be further from the truth.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I believe that something more than one something, actually, I believe that powers and entities that have kind of
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: been existing alongside us for quite some time, crossed over and became part of our reality.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like became, went from being observers to being participants, which is putting it incredibly crudely and reductively.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And but that's just kind of how I would make my elevator pitch about what I'm looking at.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it something more than one something that forces beyond
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  [SPEAKER_00]: experience in human influence, actively entered into our reality in 1983, and in part through the medium of all these technologies that all of a sudden just pop up at the same time in the same year, you know, like what are the possible odds of that?
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that we,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: in large part have been disastrous in many ways.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So many trend lines in human culture and human society.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Since that time have just like this down hill, you know, if you make line graphs of all this kind of stuff or just be like maybe like a little jagged up and down at one point but you know, the general trends have been down.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: across the board, we've had rises and depression and deaths of despair as they call them addiction.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've had collapses in family formation and child rearing and marriage.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've also seen a steady decrease in religion and spiritual,
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: kind of pursuits, but the same time, you know, most of your normies have kind of drifted away.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of the people who will laugh that are into these things that are really into these things, which is probably going to be the way it will be carried out of all of all this, that people who are all in, you know, completely dedicated to raising, you know, raising our level of consciousness.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is incredibly loaded in vague term in some ways, but again, I mean, we're just having a discussion here.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, there's a lot more to it, but I'm just kind of giving you the basic breakdown.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's sort of making me think of sort of Neo-Animistic way of looking at technology around us.
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in a way, we have tons of,
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: examples in culture of not only physical technologies having sort of a mind of their own or being seemed to be possessed or not only enchanted, I mean what comes to mind is maybe like
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: When I was a kid, you know, you'd have like the static on the television, always felt creepy, like something was going on and that became like a trope in movies, right?
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then the story goes, yes, yeah.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then like radio static, too, is another great example.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: You hear the radio static, you almost, some people claim they hear voices in it, or, you know, come to me.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Erie said, you know, setting in a movie or the white noise comes in, right?
• 24:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's definitely a dimensionality of this that we're very familiar with.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: We just have been conditioned into this mindset of everything's material and, you know, I mean, to me, I like to live in this sort of more of an animistic state of mind.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think life's a little more interesting that way.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, even like the faces in the fronts of cars or, you know, little anthropomorphized rocks and things like that that we see in the landscape, like there's a consciousness in everything, so to assume that computer cell phones wouldn't also take on that quality.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's kind of silly, especially.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, going back to the point I was probably not doing a great job of eloquating, but it's just I think in terms of like when technology is created, you know, there's a certain limit to what we can create and to your point.
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's where these non-human entities come in and implant ideas in the minds of would be inventors and innovators.
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with that, but, you know, getting back to what I was saying is that we have immersed ourselves in a medium that didn't exist.
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would say even, you know, 35 years ago, things have changed and I don't know that are certainly on neurology.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: is being affected by it.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that we have necessarily risen to the challenge.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't mean we like you and I and you know, your listeners and so on.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean the general populace, who just seemed to be drifting semi-consciously through all this kind of unraveling, let's just say.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the thing I do say is that, you know, it's all, everything is a double-edged sword, you know, because the same technology that's allowing bad people to create a worldwide surveillance state allows us to do what we're doing, you know?
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that ultimately, ultimately,
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: we will master these technologies and subjugate them, let's just say.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that we will come out the other end of it, but we are just in a period now, we're just being battered by forces, not only technological scientific, social, you know, all the kind of mundane things that you can point to, but I also think
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: we are simultaneously being affected by forces, metaphysical forces that people have long speculated over, but my argument is that it's, you know, it's no longer in the realm of speculation, and I believe that using tools like synchronisticism, we can begin to understand the nature of these technologies, the true nature of these technologies.
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: and how we can ultimately rise above them, but maybe most people won't, you know?
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's pessimistic, it's certainly, but you can never, you know, go wrong, betting against the intelligence of the average citizen, unfortunately.
• 28:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, are you smarter than a fifth grader?
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hear you know what I mean?
• 28:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just it's It's getting worse too.
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a guy.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you've ever seen these these videos he does he goes into like time square or 34 street you know these
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: major hubs for foot traffic and Manhattan.
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is maybe a few years ago, but he would ask mostly young people, just like the simplest questions like how many states are there, what countries board of the United States, how many, how much is a quarter worth, all these kind of questions that you assume that everyone should know, and you would just be shocked by how many people did not.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I know some people might be taking that stuff out of context, you know, you can easily clip stuff up.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, to just back up your point, I think another example would be the average person's inability to navigate without a GPS.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you ask somebody for instructions these days or directions rather.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they, I mean, most people would look at you like, don't you have a phone?
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they rely on their phone for that, and I mean, it's cyber, we're becoming bionic, you know, entities in that way, right?
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is.
• 30:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but we're the junior partners in the equation, you know?
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're not winning from this equation.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I get that.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: One thing that I would recommend to, I mean, a lot of us are affected by
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: the internet and the way data is sort of bombarded at you.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would recommend everyone, and I'm sure a lot of your listeners already do this, but every night, you know, put the phone away, put the iPad away, and you know, pick up a book, pick up an actual book, and start reading it.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: You'll be shocked, you know, after a month or so.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: you will have a state-of-the-art attention span.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, I mean, I think that the antidote towards all the hyperstimulation and overstimulation is just getting back to basics, is getting back to just sitting down with a book and sticking with it, reading it from beginning to end.
• 31:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It has a tremendous effect on your just your basic neurology
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: do that, you know, put the phones or I put all the electronics away before you go to sleep and just read, it will prove you dream life, it will make your dreams more vivid.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, there's nothing but good that can come out of it to be honest with you.
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, you know, so the point I was making is that I think that there was not only these huge breakthroughs in science in 1983 that did break reality or broke our experience
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of close calls.
• 31:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Things got a little dicey as far as the super power struggle was concerned.
• 31:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of people had no concept of it.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It actually to be honest with you, I didn't until fairly recently.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea that some of these things had happened because I was a 16-year-old pothead, you know, punk rocker, you know, I wasn't I wasn't
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did read the newspaper and time magazine all the time, but you know, I wasn't that concerned or what was going on outside my youthful
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a lot more I want to get into with this topic and, you know, synchronous system is a big point of interest for me.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously, you're someone who's helped someone like myself learn the finer details.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like, you know, to take things to,
• 32:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: your latest book, which by all means, please take a moment to tell the audience about XF Ultra and where they can pick up a copy of it and whatnot.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it feels to me like there's a a sort of seeding of these ideas.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you touched on this in your conversation with Greg where Greg said something to the effect of there must be someone
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know keeping this show on the air somebody up there in the elite echelons who's like yeah I think the people should have this ex files dose of red pill you know so somewhere in there there's a synchronicity and whether it's the Mandela effect and all this other stuff that started to kick up in the 80s and we felt it more and more in the 90s I was born in 94 so
• 33:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, I wasn't really aware for much of the goings on, but in hindsight, you know, seeing what was regurgitated back onto television in my youth and in the arts, you know, that was always my favorite, like the things I was drawn to, very much, ex files and anything associated with that, that had that kind of elk to it.
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, take this in this book because I feel like this is a big part of the synchronicity and the synchermisticism for you in your life.
• 34:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, before I do that, I want to just back it up a little, because you had made mention of that post I had made recently about my weekend experiences.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll just be real quick about this.
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like I said, I've been thinking a lot about 1983 and trying to pinpoint
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: aside from the things that we know about.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the things we don't know about.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I've been looking a lot, you know, I mentioned Seren and I mentioned Stargate and everything like that.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what it happened is that on Saturday, my wife and I had gone to the local newspaper store.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have you been in there?
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some reason I feel like you've been there.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Possibly.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: The newspaper store in Morse town.
• 35:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my love that as, you know, going to the Dojo early enough, I think I have.
• 35:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 35:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, if you go down, what is it?
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you get the name of that street there, it's actually about a mile parallel to the dosage.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm open for a while.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, it's been open since the 80s.
• 35:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, so yeah, I was there a couple years ago.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we went there the other day and there was a box of textbooks there.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: for a dollar.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I noticed that most of them from 1983, right?
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which I thought was really unusual.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I bought a haul of sickle.
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I bought a big stack of them.
• 35:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I bought a big stack.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: These, ironically, a lot of the ones I didn't didn't get.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I went back today to look at the box and all of the box was 1983 comics, which is, but I mean, I thought there's big stack, you know, for dollar piece, and these comics are all in like, very fine near mint condition, which is just astonishing to me, because they're over 40 years old, and they weren't sitting in bags or anything, they just put them out.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just really stunned
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Comics, I was reading when I really started notice something was going on, let's just say.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I was talking about this on Twitter today.
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this guy who's in my one of my secret groups, let's just say, said, oh, well, what about this whole thing with Jim and Monogle, Nick Monogle, from Stargate that happened in 1983?
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you the strange thing, but you know, Jim and Monogle is from the remote viewing
• 36:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe he started it at Stanford, and you know, I've always never talked about him.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know him through knowing what you talk about that song.
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Jim McMontagal was basically one of the top remote viewers for about 25 years.
• 37:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was Jim McMontagal in English swan that were two of the biggest ones, two of the best known.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, two of the best known today.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Engels want a more familiar with I have a memory of finding one of his books for like $120 that he used bookstore in Manhattan and I almost went for it, but I was like, yeah, it's two out there.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can probably get it online too, somewhere.
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so this guy was talking about Jim McMonnego all today and talking about how in 1983 he was at the Monroe Institute, you probably should know with the Monroe Institute.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: doing all these kind of remote viewing exercises, I guess you would say, and had like this encounter with like a Venution or something.
• 38:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, somebody, some ancient alien, let's just say, and apparently Jim Morris had written about this in his book, our occulted history.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this guy, who I'm talking about on Twitter is really into this whole thing with McMonagal and English swan in 1983 in particular.
• 38:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, the thing that I'm just kicking myself for, so I went to the use book store and, you know, I bought all these 1983 comics as I pointed out, but there was a book there, there was a gimmick monogle book there on remote viewing.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like in the same countertop as where these comic books were, right?
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just, I, I saw it, and I was looking at it thinking, well, you know, because my brain was just focused on something else.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like, oh my god, I really should have picked that book off, because now I can't even find it online.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I did find a bunch of his other books online, but I can't find that book, except for, you know.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: going for rather pretty penny in the secondary book market.
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there it was.
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I caught, so I called earlier, and I'm like, oh, you know, I was in today and I saw that book and remote viewing you had and like, oh, we sold at this morning.
• 39:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, oh, you know, so it would have been like,
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: double the synchronistic power, right?
• 39:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, I already had this huge kind of mother load.
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And but that would have been the kicker, right?
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So now I've got, I think I'm going to have to part with some cash and pick that book up, because it just seemed, you know, this is how synchronicity works.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know,
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: when it rains it pours right and sometimes it pours so much that you can't catch all the rain let's let's just say put it that way and I was just killing myself yeah I I love that anecdote because boy can I relate to when it rains it pours I mean I don't remember how much I disclosed on our phone call that we had a week or so ago but
• 40:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this summer has been really synchronistic for me.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really have been paid as much as ancient as I should to the podcast.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: The audience might know that or notice that, but I'm still here focusing with this.
• 40:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, if the inspiration is in there, you know, it's like,
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're fish when they're biting, you know?
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's good to step away.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you have no idea how many times I stepped away from doing the secret son over the years.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes, you know, for like almost a year at a time.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: About two or three, you know, mostly in the early phase of the work, but there were two or three instances at least where I would just stop logging for a while,
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have to recharge your batteries.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you're all output, the work is gonna suffer cause you really need that fresh impetus.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: You need that fresh impetus.
• 41:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You need to get out in the world too.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't think you can do interesting, synchronistic work if you just stuck behind your computer all day.
• 41:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta get out, you gotta get outside, you gotta get,
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: out in the sunshine you know what's really beautiful is a lot of the ideas and the things that we've talked about on this show have you know made their way into my real life Connecticut but yeah it's interesting very interesting and I totally
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: as a devout secret Sun Institute student, I can attest to, you know, the results of the study and the work that goes along with trying to understand this stuff in a complete way.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, stepping away from it and taking yourself out of your routine, these are all really powerful ways
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: a couple years ago we had a conversation about the X files before the X files came out and it was kind of in a similar, synchronistic way, I go to, there we go.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's in the mail on the way to my PO box currently, but I found the series of X files comic books at a local comic.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I bought as many as they had because I do.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: The originals, the 90s ones?
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, those are the good ones.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The ones from the 20 teens are terrible, but those 90s ones are great.
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, they are very good.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I enjoyed collecting them.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I have the completed series, but I have most of them.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And when we talked about it, you reminded me that 50 greatest conspiracies of all time, which is the book I have was very much like an inspiration
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: files and the writer this show reference this book which if folks don't know 50 greatest conspiracies of all time it sounds like some readers digest crap but it's actually a really good really good book so oh it's great it's great how to hear Jim I got the 60 greatest conspiracies which was the sequel right or the revision you know the revised edition I got that in like 95 96
• 43:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I got it before that episode aired where they show, and I was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I say all this just to say, you know, we talked about this in the past and, you know, it expels us been a theme in some of our conversations, but what was the impetus for putting this book out?
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was there anything in particular that you were drawn to that made you say, all right, I need to focus on an expiles book?
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what was that seed that was planted?
• 43:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of an hour and everything.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a book that I had been planning on writing for
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: over 10 years or least, maybe more.
• 44:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So back in 2008, I worked on the official book, The Complete X Files, which was the studio indoor store authorize.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was the authorized official
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: history of the X-Files.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was really, really super frustrating for me in many ways.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: One being is that when I originally signed on to do the project, they said, oh, you have 20,000 words.
• 44:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like 20,000 words.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's like a New Yorker article.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: You want me to tell the entire story, the X-Files were 20,000 words.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You ain't sane.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I got them to double it, but then they shrunk the
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You literally need a micro.
• 44:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: That kind of thing.
• 44:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Magnifying glass.
• 44:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: My first go.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Microscope magnifying glass to read the text is so small.
• 45:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the other problem too is that there were certain things going on behind the scenes at the publisher of an adulterous nature.
• 45:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say that led to certain people being hired on to do things that they had no qualifications for.
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it ended up being the editing and the proofreading was just an absolute disaster and it was very upsetting for me and it was upsetting for the people on the show and all that.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you know,
• 45:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the end results, since nobody reads any more, it's, and the photography is absolutely astonishing and it, you know, it's all for the best.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, nobody notices because nobody actually reads the text and those kind of books.
• 45:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: People buy those big coffee table books of all these photos to just read the, you just look at the photos.
• 45:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to do, you know, a really sort of complete as best I could, all the things that I've been thinking
• 46:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: speculating on over the years about the show and I wanted to just put this book out because people are continuously rediscovering the show.
• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's still very popular and it's still got you know a core audience.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to just put this book out and say, well, you're watching the show wrong.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're not watching the show correctly.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is how you need to, you know, this is what you need to be looking at.
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to put all the historical context in there, all the things that we're going on in the 90s, all the things that led up to it as far as mine control projects, human experimentation, you know, the UFO programs and everything like that.
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to do this complete job as I could, letting everyone who's either,
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: been a fan or is a fan of the series or is interested in becoming a fan, let them know that all the things that they're seeing, that it there's so much beneath the surface.
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that today, since we don't really have a solid body of what they used to call literary
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: pull them apart and show you all the influences that go into it.
• 47:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I really wanted to do that.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to talk about the ancient mythology that the show draws upon for it's, what's called its mythology, which is just basically, it's sort of UFO storyline.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to talk about all the historical events that were going on at the time.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the hardcover book, I talk about the Unibommer and it would snowed in and heaven's gate cult.
• 48:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And all these kind of things that were going on
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: seem to almost like weave in and out of the show.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like to me, the show is, you know, first of all, it's just an absolutely astonishing synchronicity generator.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's something that I've been talking about for a number of years now.
• 48:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And to me, it's almost inevitable.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like when you start dealing with all these stories and subject matter,
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: you can't help but, you know, find yourself bumping into that world of the spirits and, you know, the more elusive types of influences in our world and our lives.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to do a book that had an enormous amount of information in it.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I worked very, very, very hard to put as much information as much data, as much reference as I possibly could.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it isn't just me sort of a pining, oh, you know, but whatever you episode, my opinion is, you know, like, oh, I like this episode.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like this episode, you know, like that kind of thing.
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: so many books like this are just not interesting because a lot of them are just telling you things you already know there's there were these books these ex files books that came out in the 90s which would basically just like give you some background information but the bulk of the book was just basically writers summarizing the story lines but
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: not exactly summarizing I mean like just basically telling you the what you could just watch for yourself like why do I need somebody to tell me this when I can just watch this myself on a second
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• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, my one of my cats is can you hear that?
• 54:03
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• 54:03
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• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: We heard it, but that's fine.
• 54:06
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• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a little bit.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's he's he's he's participating.
• 54:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he he's he's a he's a he's a budding podcast or he's he's got ambitions to host his own show.
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I I wanted to but he's a thing.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mark is that I wanted people to really understand how weird the show is and how it's much weird.
• 54:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, it's about all these weird topics, right?
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's actually much weirder than I think most people understand it.
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, can I add to what real quick and just I remember my first introduction to the ex files.
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was expecting something much more sci-fi than what I received, right?
• 54:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a lot of people's impressions that there's going to be like UFO abductions and battles like with aliens and but it's very much a thriller.
• 54:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's very slow, makes you think it's more like the twilight zone than it is Star Trek in that sense.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the one thing I would point out is that
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Most people are in the sort of misapprehension that it is just to show about aliens, but if you look at every season, the episodes about UFOs and aliens are abductions or whatever are actually a small minority of the episodes.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Most of the episodes are not about aliens.
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Most of the episodes aren't about conspiracies and most of it is what they call a cult detective storylines
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: at least 150 years to intercellaneous after the Victorian occult explosion.
• 55:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing that, so I wanted to really talk a lot about the mythology, especially, because the show is just so pregnant, let's just say, with religious undertones, this is a lot of religion and mythology and spirituality, and all these kind of things,
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: written to every episode.
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to make sure that, I mean, even dedicated fans, really understood what it was they're looking at.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing too is that I don't know if you got to that part, but I have a fan theory about the show that occurred to me
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, seven years ago now at the end of the last season.
• 56:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it just occurred to me that the show was not about anything that I thought it was.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even like, you know, on the surface narrative is not the story that it's telling.
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I came up with this really strange idea, and I'll just lay it out for you guys, that the X files is really about these two assassins.
• 57:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: these two mind-controlled assassins who are part of this eugenics program and their job is to basically capture or kill all the all the rejects and the escapees from this massive genetic experimental program that's been going on over a hundred years.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: is because they were made, they were all created, they were created by the government.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that Mulder and Skolley's job is to hunt down the ones that escape from the lab or go off their programming or whatever, which sounds like a really kind of, I don't wanna say stupid, well, actually, this might sound stupid to some people, but,
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the only thing that can explain the entire series.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the only explanation that makes the entire series hang together and makes sense, because a lot of people have complained over the years that a lot of it doesn't make sense, and things are sort of a little bit haphazard.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the storylines don't make sense or they don't resolve themselves, which I would certainly
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: on that surface level, but if you look at it through this lens where the show is really about the Molder and Scully, of basically assassins, who are programmed to think that they're hunting monsters and aliens, so they won't have these pangs of conscience, right?
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I go into exhaustive detail laying this all out, which sounds crazy, but the thing is that if you know the guy who created the show, Chris Carter, who's incredibly fractal think or a very, very strange person, it's definitely the kind of thing that he would come up with, that this show is telling you, you are looking at their impressions, you know, you're looking at their program.
• 58:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So when they're running after UFOs or monsters or whatever,
• 59:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: you're actually just seeing what they've been programmed.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I call it the cyclogrammer, that it's all a cyclogrammer that's been programmed into their heads to keep them from cracking up or having a crisis of conscience, so they'll continue to go out
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: genetic mishaps, let's just say.
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the rest of it is all a cyclicrome.
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So again, I mean, it sounds like just another kind of crazy fan theory.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: But believe me, I've been working on this for a long time.
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the piece is all fit really well.
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there are a lot of clues throughout the entire series that back this up.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it isn't just me having this weird kind of psychotic epiphany
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I make a lot of citations, particular episodes that that back it up and I don't know if it's going to spoil the fun for some people, maybe a lot of, you know, your normie types are going to be put off by that, but I didn't write this book for normie types.
• 1:00:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wrote this book for people in our circles, you know, I wanted to explain.
• 1:00:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: this whole phenomenon to people, you know, some people who haven't even watched the show.
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I remember I was talking to, who was I talking to?
• 1:00:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I, this is back like several years ago, and I was on Tim Bernal show.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know, Tim Bernal, Bernal of America?
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, he did this whole... Yeah, I actually have to heard that podcast, but I didn't know the host, no.
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so Tim and Albin, Alvin America, so most of it is based on UFOs and stuff.
• 1:00:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember I was on his show in time, and I mentioned the X files, and he had no idea what I was talking about.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, you've never seen the X files because no, I never watched them.
• 1:00:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, dude, how can you do a UFO paranormal monster, cryptological, you know, all the kind of topics.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: that he talks about in the show that are all embedded into the entire series of the exfiles.
• 1:01:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: How could he have never seen that show?
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no, I watch lost.
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you mean, like, which started airing after the exfiles was canceled.
• 1:01:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I just couldn't wrap my head around that, but you know, whatever, it happens more often.
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: than I cat or admit.
• 1:01:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of UFO people tend to get very weird about UFO shows, you know, not treating their obsession with the proper respect.
• 1:01:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: They believe that the subject deserves, you know.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and there's a whole culture around ufology that's very interesting and kind of was in the background of the expiles as it was airing, right?
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at that time, UFO conferences were very popular for being published at an exorbitant exorbitant rate, some kind of
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I mean, obviously, again, growing up in the, you know, early 2000s, I'd see a lot of that stuff regurgitated on television, but what stood out to me, particularly about the ex files when I was young watching it was how
• 1:02:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: disturbingly real in all felt to the moment I almost didn't like watching until I was older and I was able to see where those things were being, maybe taken out from what was going on at that time and being, you know, somewhat fictionalized to a certain extent, but also
• 1:02:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: not to a certain extent.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a lot of transparent things in the exfiles that came directly out of conspiracy culture, right?
• 1:02:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So all right, straight out of it.
• 1:03:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Chris Carter had kept this big library of every conspiracy book you can you can mention.
• 1:03:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're always going, you know, this is at the time when you started seeing the rise of conspiracy
• 1:03:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: His whole dictum was like, it's only as scary as it is real.
• 1:03:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the writers were always doing an incredible amount of research, incredible amount of research.
• 1:03:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they basically covered like every major topic and sort of the paranoid canon that you can possibly imagine.
• 1:03:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they always did it in their own way.
• 1:03:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't want to tell the kind of stories that have already been told in UFO books or cryptid books or whatever.
• 1:03:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to present the material in a fresh and different way, which I think had a lot to do with the popularity.
• 1:04:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: There have been shows that sort of do those kind of topics, but do it in a very wrote and predictable way that I think turns a lot of people off.
• 1:04:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it really is because if you try to cheat, read a lot of these topics seriously, they just end up kind of sounding stupid.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's another thing that they were really concerned about.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: This has to be presented in a way that is not only credible, but is not ridiculous, which is a lot harder than it sounds.
• 1:04:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there have been a lot of shows that
• 1:04:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: tried and failed to do the same thing and you need to be smart that the people who worked on the show were all like I always just shocked when I was reading all the interview transcripts at the time when you know I was working on the official book just how like everybody was just really really super smart and that's unusual particularly intelligent you know in Hollywood in general I mean you have a lot of people who are just idiots you know
• 1:05:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, unfortunately, I mean, it sounds kind of cynical, but unfortunately, it's the truth.
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and it seemed like if flew under the radar at that time too to a certain extent, where maybe it didn't get flagged as this truth teller that we can see it now as so to speak.
• 1:05:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll tell you a story, since we're just a bunch of guys just sitting around shooting the breeze.
• 1:05:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I won't name names, but there was an extremely powerful figure from the network who showed up in Vancouver where they filmed the show for the first five seasons.
• 1:05:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is when the show was starting to become popular and was very hot, you know, it was like the hot show.
• 1:05:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: So even if it didn't have the kind of mainstream success that an ER or NYPD Blue had, it had something that you can't buy, which is mystique, right?
• 1:06:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he had gone up to, I believe it was called Lionsgate Studios,
• 1:06:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: and was talking to all the people around the set.
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there were some gaffers or carpenters, electricians, whatever.
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he, this extremely well-placed executive, went up to them and said, so what do you guys do?
• 1:06:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the guys was a kind of, he's like, we do mushrooms, acid, ecstasy, you know?
• 1:06:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I guess he was like, ha ha ha ha.
• 1:06:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of Friday.
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And apparently from what I was told,
• 1:06:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: while I was working on the book, by the way, this is afterwards.
• 1:06:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I always told that that Monday morning, a big FedEx box, you know, those big boxes, shipment boxes, a big FedEx box showed up at the offices and always filled with sheets of water.
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, tabs of ecstasy, you know, it just fits like a big, FedEx delivery of hallucinogens, let's just say, mostly sheets of acid.
• 1:07:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And any other show, I would be skeptical about, but if you watch those, how many episodes they did do about acid and mushrooms and I bogey, whatever kind of hallucinogens,
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, and I said in the book that, you know, the expels is much about hallucinogens is about UFOs, and there's so many storylines explicitly about hallucinogens, mostly mushrooms interestingly enough.
• 1:07:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it was noticing that, which I noticed a very long time ago, that ultimately got me
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I'm sure 99.99% of the world will argue with me, but got me to realize that this show is like, that's why I call it the book XF Ultra, because I think that it is kind of like a big MK Ultra sharing and candidate type of story that's passing itself off is something else, you know.
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that it is actually a lot more subversive and frankly, darker than most people,
• 1:08:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: would understand it to be.
• 1:08:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm sure that I would never get any of the writers of producers to corroborate this theory of mine.
• 1:08:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But like, you know, whatever, I don't need, I don't need them, too.
• 1:08:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: The way I spell it out in the book exhaustively, I think, you know, I think my theory stands up pretty well.
• 1:08:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it stands up just as well as any other
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's very, for me, you're vocing sort of a Terrence McKenna kind of approach to uphology where for him the psychedelics were very much aspect of some kind of alien consciousness that was merging into human consciousness.
• 1:09:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seemed like he was fully, you know, embracing it, so to speak, and I have heard little inklings here and there about, you know, little articles or talks to me again at McKenna Gave, or maybe private things that he disclosed where it seemed like he was expressing a fear around certain psychedelics, but for the most part,
• 1:09:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was a avenue being created at that time that was like bridging the gap between, you know, the havoc that was created with the psychedelic revolution in the 60s and how that led to the drug war, you know, it was kind of like a reed
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: imagining of like hey like let's not throw the baby out with the bath water like some of these psychedelic drugs were actually pretty cool let's keep them around that's maybe the surface level thought there but I always wonder with something like fungus mushrooms like again to take it back to what we're saying
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: about technology, like how much of our relationship with mushrooms is parasitic.
• 1:10:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Are we a vessel to this mushroom consciousness in the same way that technology is a vessel to these entities that are planting ideas in the minds of inventors and computer scientists?
• 1:10:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think a very strong case can be made.
• 1:10:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do talk about McKenna's theories about mushrooms in the book, because he had believed that mushrooms were actually some sort of alien medium that was sent through space.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we could communicate with the aliens, I guess.
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that if you look at the history of Silicon Valley, particularly post-60s, it's astonishing,
• 1:11:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: how prominent a role hallucinogens played in the development to a lot of these technologies.
• 1:11:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, all those guys at Apple, you know, were all dropping acid and mushrooms and all the rest of it.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of them were and then, you know, more recently,
• 1:11:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a few years ago now, but, you know, a lot of people in Silicon Valley were micro-dosing with mushrooms and so on.
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we can't separate that.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at the geography, right, I mean, you look at the Bay Area.
• 1:11:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: We had a lot of the psychedelic culture growing out of
• 1:11:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, quite frankly, MK Ultra field experiments, like the acid tests, Palo Alto, Silicon Valley.
• 1:11:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what is it like an hour or two south of San Francisco?
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's all part of that same culture, really.
• 1:11:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, sort of the beach culture of San Jose, Santa Cruz, and so on.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is all particularly in the 70s was very steeped in LSD and all the rest of it.
• 1:12:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we can't separate these things.
• 1:12:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: That isn't to make an endorsement that people should just be like getting off their heads on psychedelics without any type of preparation or context or control.
• 1:12:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that either.
• 1:12:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a balance, you know, and the balance being is that throughout history and culture, we have had, I mean, without getting to McKenna Stone-Ape theory, right?
• 1:12:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we have had a lot of,
• 1:12:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, epiphanies and eureka moments that were inspired by hallucinogens.
• 1:12:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, we also had, you know, tremendous amount of psychosis and dysfunction as well, right?
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the argument would be that this, you know, these practices should be more tightly controlled the way they have been throughout the world until recently.
• 1:13:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: with, like say, I wasca culture and so on.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, with the shamans and the medicine people and everything like that.
• 1:13:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that that is a better model than, you know, abstinence or indulgence.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, abstinence and indulgence of both extremes.
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're both extremes that I think are ultimately
• 1:13:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: unbalanced minds, let's just say, or unbalanced souls, you know, people who can't control themselves, or can't, you can't work with, with really what a tool's, you know, neurological tools.
• 1:14:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't want to sound like I, you know, I'm certainly not an advocate of, you know, irresponsible use or an ingestion.
• 1:14:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I don't.
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: In any way, shape or form, I think that
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: the track record for abuse of, you know, it's like giving kids, you know, keys to your car and expecting them not to get into an accident, you know, or any kind of powerful tool or powerful weapon, you know, quite frankly.
• 1:14:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't have a culture of control built around it, and I, you know, control,
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: in a sense of authoritarianism.
• 1:14:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about the sense that we can work with this, but we need to control it.
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's something that oddly enough, in our sort of weird, bifurcated culture where we have this very powerful libertine impulse where any control is seen as, or that's fascist.
• 1:15:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, good luck.
• 1:15:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm good luck then.
• 1:15:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not going to approach particularly something as powerful and life-changing as hallucinogens without some sort of controls, good luck to you.
• 1:15:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how we'll see it.
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen.
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, we won't see we have seen for the past 50 years or so.
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: how badly that can go.
• 1:15:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I mean, I know this is a little far field from, you know what I'm talking about, the X files, but again, if you go back and watch those episodes and say, this isn't really about aliens, that the aliens are all imaginary.
• 1:16:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You will be shocked by how much evidence you will find to bolster that, that's a spission.
• 1:16:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's another thing that I really wanted people, you know, that's going to change the way people see things.
• 1:16:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you can watch, I believe you, I can speak of experience, you know, I can watch the same episode hundreds of times, whatever.
• 1:16:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then like something will just occur to me, like, oh, that will change the entire story form.
• 1:16:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, wait a minute.
• 1:16:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: That, oh, wait.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know about that when I watched this all the other times before.
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But now I just read something about this, whatever it is, and there it is on screen.
• 1:16:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just totally, like all of a sudden, you realize you're watching something entirely different.
• 1:16:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's really the experience that I want people to have.
• 1:16:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, even if you've seen the series over and over again, and you might have read books about it, or web pages about it, or whatever.
• 1:16:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that I'm bringing a really truly unique perspective.
• 1:17:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: to the series because most people who watch the series don't know about, you know, this culture that we're part of, right?
• 1:17:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And most people in this culture that we're part of don't watch the X-Files, you know?
• 1:17:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, you have to do both, you know?
• 1:17:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I can't for the life of me imagine like somebody who would be listening to your show who's never watched the X-Files.
• 1:17:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, completely, you know, completely stagnate by that.
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then this day and age with everything streamable, I mean, as long as it's out there somewhere, I'm sure people can, right?
• 1:17:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure the X files is on one of the streaming sites, but
• 1:17:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
• 1:17:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: One of the, I think it was a conversation you had with recluse on another farm, Steven Snyder's podcast inspired me to go and watch the lone gunman episode.
• 1:17:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: of the X-Files, which has a ton of interesting connections, even to our little trip, although you only joined us in the second part of it, but the day before Steven and I met you in Pennsylvania who went down to that strange little town Rose Valley, Pennsylvania, and the saw some interesting things, but yeah, it's a little too distant now for me to remember
• 1:18:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: very specific, very specific themes will run through episodes of the ex files that, again, like for people who are subscribed to my sub-sac, they can go and read this article, I mean, I have to, I'd have to refresh my memory before I can ask you any question about it, but on that note,
• 1:18:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: what are some episodes that stand out to you if there were somebody out there listening that you didn't want to just start with episode one they wanted to maybe get a better sense of what you're talking about here are there any good episodes that stand out to you as examples of like kind of revelations in the form of an episode.
• 1:19:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well I would stick with I would recommend episodes that are self-contained you know that aren't part of the sprawling mythology that you
• 1:19:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: watch 70 or 80 episodes of television to sort of wrap your head around, there are certain episodes that are very much taken from the news and real life and programs that have been publicized or discussed.
• 1:19:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's an episode called Wet Wired, which is about... Yeah, that's the one that I've said the long government, but that's the one that I wrote the article
• 1:19:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's about using implanting signals in cable TV, right, transmissions to change behavior, to all to behavior.
• 1:20:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now they did another episode like that called blood in the second season that was very similar, but it also incorporated hallucinogens, of course, LSA in this particular instance, which is a precursor to LSD.
• 1:20:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, there's an episode called Red Museum, which is about how our food supply is being tampered with to become a vehicle for genetic engineering or genetic modification.
• 1:20:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's sort of taken people were talking a lot back in the 90s about GMOs and stuff.
• 1:20:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this episode sort of takes that to the next level where they're injecting alien DNA into cattle in this town.
• 1:20:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also into these kids, you know, it's just this huge experiment and they use
• 1:21:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, they do mention alien DNA, but outside of just like that single line of dialogue, there's no other science fiction elements.
• 1:21:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's very real, you know, it's very much newsworthy, too, because people like Bill Gates have been talking about that recently, you know,
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is kind of it, you know, because vaccine comes from the line word for cow, right?
• 1:21:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Vaca.
• 1:21:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's another interesting episode that you don't need to watch the entire series to really appreciate.
• 1:21:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are other shows that are a little bit more metaphysical or paranormal, but are all sustenance.
• 1:21:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a great episode.
• 1:21:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's one episode.
• 1:21:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you ask me like, what is this, well, what's the big deal about this show?
• 1:21:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like why do you care?
• 1:21:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like why do people care?
• 1:21:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's the whole mystique here?
• 1:22:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's an episode I would,
• 1:22:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I recommend anybody to watch whether you're a fan or not called paper hearts.
• 1:22:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And paper hearts is an episode about a serial killer who mold us sort of develops this psychic link with.
• 1:22:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the serial killer uses this psychic link to convince Molder that he had actually kidnapped and murdered Moldus sister, which is sort of,
• 1:22:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: a big through line in the entire series, you know, mold of searching for a sister was abducted by aliens and so on.
• 1:22:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a tremendous episode.
• 1:22:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: The actor who plays the serial killer is a guy named Tom Noonan, who was in a man hunter.
• 1:22:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you see Amanda and he played Francis Stollahide.
• 1:22:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was also in Robocop 3 or 2, believe.
• 1:22:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's two.
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's in Robocop 2.
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He played like this sort of psychotic.
• 1:22:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: He plays a lot of psychotics because he's just got that look.
• 1:22:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's a phenomenal episode.
• 1:23:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And even though it does have a sort of like a paranormal concede, you don't need.
• 1:23:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: to buy into that to enjoy the episode.
• 1:23:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of episodes that are just barely science fiction.
• 1:23:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a great episode called to Pine Bluff variant, which is about how the government uses right-wing militias for experimental purposes.
• 1:23:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say they're using this militia to test this really terrible toxin that is creates like a hemorrhagic feed
• 1:23:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there are a lot of episodes where you don't need to, again, familiarize yourself with the entire mythology, and you don't need to, you know, buy into the paranormal aspects, because a lot of them, like I said, don't actually have them.
• 1:23:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're much more conspiracy-oriented.
• 1:23:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there's also a sister show that was on for three years, three seasons called millennium,
• 1:24:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: and Millennium started off being very much a spin on seven, you know, the David Fincher film.
• 1:24:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's in the box, you know, I'm talking about, but for its final season, we can't was doing some of the most insane off the wall conspiracy stuff you can possibly imagine.
• 1:24:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like just the darkest conspiracy theories that were emerging on the internet at the time,
• 1:24:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like this whole idea that, you know, the government is programming serial killers for for instance, or not very much David McGowan's book program to kill, right?
• 1:24:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, well, this this predated his book.
• 1:24:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that was,
• 1:24:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was the season or the serious finale.
• 1:24:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a two to two part episodes.
• 1:24:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: One was called via Delorosa and the other one was called goodbye to all that.
• 1:25:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there was this whole thing that the show was criticized for what they call serial killer the week.
• 1:25:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what they did to wrap it all up is like, well, you know, we had all these serial killers because the government has programming them.
• 1:25:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it went into this whole idea of like the alchemical transformation of mankind, you know, very culty, very secret society.
• 1:25:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of like kind of Masonic influence there as well.
• 1:25:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But later it became more like what I've been compared them to, you know, some really nasty secret society cult that just basically is killing people.
• 1:25:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: So very potent, unfortunately,
• 1:25:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: those episodes aren't streaming.
• 1:25:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to watch this episode, you basically have to buy the DVDs, which I think are worth it, but but then you would also mention the loan government.
• 1:25:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, the famous example is that loan government episode, the premiere, the season, or the series premiere of the loan government, which has had the really heavy 9-11 stealth war.
• 1:26:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, playing is being programmed to crash into the World Trade Center.
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that aired,
• 1:26:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: 8, no, I'm sorry, six months before 9, 11 itself.
• 1:26:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, a lot of people had a lot of theories about it, but if you actually watch the episode, it seems to me, you know, just my personal opinion that people were telling Chris Carter that something of this nature was gonna happen and wanted to show to kind of just put it out there, put a mark, you know, that,
• 1:26:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is planned to bring down the World Trade Center in order to boost arms sales, but also enable this whole worldwide program of regime change.
• 1:26:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, things that actually happened.
• 1:26:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're talking about this six months before.
• 1:26:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this whole exchange, you know, these two characters,
• 1:27:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, well, one character is telling the other, you know, you get to put this out on the news, you get to tell the media.
• 1:27:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, who would run this story?
• 1:27:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the long-gunning character says, we will.
• 1:27:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like, so clear to me, just from that exchange from that dialogue, that that was written in by the writers to let people know that they were using this episode to put the word out, whether or not
• 1:27:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: this whole 911 thing was going to go down.
• 1:27:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it did go down right there.
• 1:27:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: It actually did happen.
• 1:27:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if you watch that episode and watch the entire episode, not just little clips on YouTube or something, and you listen to the exchanges.
• 1:27:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You listen to the dialogue.
• 1:27:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden, it becomes really clear.
• 1:27:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh my God, somebody was whispering in these guys years.
• 1:27:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody who was not down without whole,
• 1:27:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: worldwide, neocon, regime chain, shock, and oprogram.
• 1:28:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you watch the episode and listen very carefully, the dialogue, it's going to back that up pretty well.
• 1:28:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's something that stood out to me with the particular episode
• 1:28:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Laringly on the nose and to the same effect as you just described, I'm curious, you know, maybe I just can't remember, but there's one point about
• 1:28:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: and I haven't read this yet, but ancient abductions and ancient cults that worship mysterious flying out of, you know, my teenage stoner years was watching ancient aliens on television, and you're a baby, you're so young.
• 1:28:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you look at the comments, it's like a little bit of, you know, build up to that where back then, you know, those kind of ideas were still maybe relegated to, you know, unpopular books and magazines rather than television, full front and center.
• 1:29:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, what were some of those episodes?
• 1:29:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what do you think Chris Carter's point with that?
• 1:29:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because this is less of an active, I could see the activism in him wanting to shed light on
• 1:29:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know the human experimentation and the government overreach and all this other really intense stuff but when it comes to something like ancient cults that worship mysterious you know flying objects in the sky what do you think his motivation there was just well the interesting out well the first thing that I need to point out is that like most all that kind of stuff is very embedded like it's not
• 1:29:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: spell that explicitly, which is I think the reason it goes over most people's heads.
• 1:30:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I knew all those stories, like all those myths that they draw on, orfius and uritachi, Isis and Osiris, you know, and not into moves, whatever.
• 1:30:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all these storylines,
• 1:30:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: the journey to the underworld.
• 1:30:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, these are all things that I've been writing about for a number of years, right?
• 1:30:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then in 2016, when they did the Revival series, I mean, just basically they didn't episode called Babylon, which is exactly what I've been talking about all those years before that episode was ever made, spelled out like the mushrooms and the descent to the underworld and the river sticks
• 1:30:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, getting advice or getting information from the dead, during these descents to the underworld.
• 1:30:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is all straight out of ancient mythology.
• 1:31:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just astonishing to me that they made that episode because it sounds like a little self-sistic, but I always felt like, you know, it was made for me.
• 1:31:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, it's not like those guys didn't know who I was, you know.
• 1:31:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously Chris Carter knew who I was and I always felt like you appreciate I don't know if you appreciate it But it was almost like Yeah, this is what we've been doing all these years exactly as you've suspected now you talked about the ancient abduction cult The one that I focus in on
• 1:31:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: is the Mythraic cults.
• 1:31:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I've talked about Mythraism on your show.
• 1:31:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've talked on every show.
• 1:31:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of people still don't really blow them on to when I'm really talking about.
• 1:32:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: But simply put,
• 1:32:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you go back and read the Mythraic Liturgy and this is whole party line that the Mythraic cults didn't record any of their beliefs and everything and that's not true.
• 1:32:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: They recorded it quite explicitly in this liturgy that's all about if you take enough mushrooms in the right sort of
• 1:32:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: compounds, right, you know, the right formula, you'll basically be lifted up into spaceships and taking on joy rides through the cosmos.
• 1:32:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's that explicit.
• 1:32:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it isn't like, you know, you have to sit there and read the text and go, oh, okay, well, they're really talking about this and then this means this.
• 1:32:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, you take this mixture, this brew,
• 1:32:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: This witch's brew and all of a sudden this disc comes down and lifts you up into it through the air and takes you on this ride and the disc is doors and it has exhaust and it's like controlled panels and if you read it, it's just the most astonishing thing.
• 1:33:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like I can't believe, I can't believe in the life of me, the nobody has pointed this out before that this entire text is explaining what sounds,
• 1:33:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: like an alien abduction, but it sounds like almost like Star Trek too because it's like there's a bridge and there's all these different races of aliens that you know one one looks like a bull and and then you meet the afmaidens which basically reptilian women it's just the most incredible
• 1:33:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: incredible thing that again I mean this all this all this debate about alien ofduction and I don't necessarily believe that it's a physical phenomenon I don't think the people are being abducted by you know meat meat suited aliens in spaceships you know metal spaceships and taken up into
• 1:34:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: operating room is where they're probed and so on.
• 1:34:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's much more similar to what had been described in the mythoregal energy a few thousand years ago.
• 1:34:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, well, why would all these people still, you know, when you see mythore symbolism all over the place, which I've detailed quite extensively.
• 1:34:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I talked with Sam about it as well and tinfoil hat.
• 1:34:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the reason why the people are still into this cult is exactly what I'm talking about, is that the litigee describes an alien abduction that's brought about by a drug trip, but also there's the whole idea that when you encounter these beings, you receive knowledge, particularly technological knowledge,
• 1:35:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: which I think is really important as well.
• 1:35:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I tie that in as well to the watercolts, because both the watercolts and this mythric phenomenon are really about aliens in technology, what we call aliens in technology.
• 1:35:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't necessarily believe, so after immersing myself in all this history and all these texts and everything, I came to believe that I don't think that alien abduction is an actual physical phenomenon of being physically taken from your surroundings and brought to a spaceship.
• 1:35:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's much more insidious than that.
• 1:35:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that these facts have been known for a very long time, that there are these entities that you contact through the medium of psychedelic drugs.
• 1:35:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you will have all these sort of knock-on effects, one of which is being granted the gift of knowledge and technology.
• 1:36:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like that's kind of the loop of this episode is this connection between technology and the other world.
• 1:36:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like it goes back to John D's black mirror and this whole concept of appearing into the mirror.
• 1:36:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, and, you know, I'm sure you're familiar with, you know, some of the other guests that I've had on this show, because your work resonates and, you know, Steven Steiner obviously, you know, him, but Mike want, I'm not sure if you've met Mike one or familiar with his work, but
• 1:36:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: He talks a lot about the Susquana River as this sort of current, you know, for this energy specifically when it comes to the invention of the internet and this computer network.
• 1:37:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the Susquana River seems to be like this natural landmark that all these events are tied to.
• 1:37:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, in that same way, you know, and at least in the sense of what media does to us, the x-files is a sort of landmark, a cultural landmark, you know, bridging the gap between the JFK conspiracy culture of the post, you know, 70s kind of vibe era that whole, you know, tricking off and then,
• 1:37:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, which is very much the post 9-11, I dare say post what we call it.
• 1:37:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pepe Gate to be a light or post pizza gate, you know, now we're kind of in the brink of conspiracy mainstream, almost, I mean.
• 1:37:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: even people who abore conspiracy theory are conspiracy theorists and and our Yeah, everybody has their own pet conspiracy Yeah, it's taken over the media even the river in like the Orwellian double think sense of like the leftists are conspiring against the right and the right, you know, and they all think that the others evil but their virtuous it's yeah, it's very interesting times, but when it comes to
• 1:38:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you brought this up and I just want to I sort of want to just stick a pin in this everything I do All the work that I've done on the secret son and the books and everything really came out of 9-11 I mean because 9-11 at such a profound personal impact on me for a number of reasons
• 1:38:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of which, as I've said, in many interviews is that I was actually working in loom and hat and at that time, and I had that day off, thank God.
• 1:38:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I also had a lot of friends who were affected personally by it, and, you know, people, like my son's football coach had died and my, my, my, my same son, one of his friends, fathers had died.
• 1:39:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there was a lot of, I mean, and you probably had the same experience where you are
• 1:39:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many people commute from where you are to New York, but I'm sure that it had the same, you know, like it didn't just happen in law and Manhattan, it had this concentric rings of influence.
• 1:39:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, but that really had changed everything for me, because I just bought it in a computer and it had like a smoke and hot 55K mode in which it was just so fast, I couldn't even imagine it, you know, back then.
• 1:39:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And all my work dried up.
• 1:39:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So basically I just had this new thing called Google that I was working with and you know, everything just changed.
• 1:39:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everything that I've done, all started, I was going to write a book called The Nostic X file.
• 1:40:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I was going to write this whole book about, you know, how molder is like this Nostic Hero.
• 1:40:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of that material I sort of folded into this book as well, you know.
• 1:40:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that was really where it all started for me.
• 1:40:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was, you know, I wanted to
• 1:40:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right about a lot of things that I wrote about here.
• 1:40:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that all, I mean, that, I started working on that project maybe six months after, not 11.
• 1:40:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, not 11 just, I just unbelievably profound effect on the world, obviously.
• 1:40:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, certainly my work.
• 1:40:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that
• 1:40:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Had 911 not happened, I probably would have just continued on with my career, my art career, commercial art career, doing comics, whatever.
• 1:40:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It completely just forced me out of my comfort zone and ended up doing all the work that I've been doing.
• 1:41:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing that I do want to mention, too, is that everything that I do is basically
• 1:41:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: a jewel, and I'm looking at all the different facets of the jewel, but it's all the same jewel.
• 1:41:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like a big, big emerald or a big garnet or a big ruby of something.
• 1:41:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, something, some multifaceted, you know, something with a lot of shapes.
• 1:41:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a dime, I don't know.
• 1:41:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, I'm talking with that.
• 1:41:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, but everything that I'm doing is all in pursuit of the same understanding.
• 1:41:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people will see that he's writing what this or he's writing with that, it's all looking at the same phenomenon from different angles is really what I'm trying to do.
• 1:41:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And now, since I'm back on this whole 1983 thing again and had that really profound,
• 1:42:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: and broken through the next one.
• 1:42:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: You probably, you don't know what I'm talking about with the next, but most people don't find it.
• 1:42:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to, though, Chris, because I understand what you're saying and I understand you do a certain point.
• 1:42:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like, yeah, I get that.
• 1:42:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, it's interesting, I wanted to bring this up earlier, and we weren't talking about 9-11, but then we started talking about 9-11, and now it makes even more sense to bring this up.
• 1:42:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you've heard of Jose Arguelès, or Arguelès's book, time in the techno sphere, and his whole theory on how 9-11 was smashing a tuning fork and reset reality in some ways,
• 1:42:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not doing it with not theory, I mean I know his theories about the mine calendar and so
• 1:42:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I might want to convergence and I might be, yeah, I might be playing, you know, alphabet soup, so to speak with some of the ideas I've heard and conflated with his, but yeah, no, it definitely, I'm almost certain that time in the techno sphere has a dimension to it that talks about how 9-11 was pivotal in some way and, you know, synchromisticism
• 1:43:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: in a way connected in my mind to our ability to step outside of what is perceived time, right, and something like 9-11 as an event might have been so, I guess, unreal that it shifted what we considered real, right, so that we're in a different dimension of what is real.
• 1:43:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think our most effective way to understand the hidden architecture of reality.
• 1:44:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So most people just drift along using the monkey mind or the reptilian brain or whatever and never get past that.
• 1:44:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you really want to understand what is underneath it all, I think that synchronicity synchromicisism is the most effective tool.
• 1:44:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the reasons being is that if you get really rigorous about synchromicisism,
• 1:44:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: synchronous to can book where I just basically give you all the pointers on how to do effective synchromistic work.
• 1:44:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you rigorous about it and methodical about approaching synchromisticism and not a lot
• 1:45:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, some junk synchromisticism that you see a lot, a lot of which doesn't even identify itself as such.
• 1:45:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you really want to understand the connections between things that affect us all, when you start to see, again, that hidden architecture would be
• 1:45:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to just raise, it's going to raise your level of consciousness, and let me just explain that because I can sound kind of stupid, but, you know, your conscious of these.
• 1:45:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: elements, your conscious of these influences, your conscious of these facts, your conscious of these connections, that everything is connected, ultimately, right?
• 1:46:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what we are really interested in trying to find are the significant connections, because those are the connections that make things happen, right?
• 1:46:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Synchronicity as a diamond does and coincidences as a diamond does and all these things happen
• 1:46:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: What we want to learn how to do is how to separate the we've from the chaff and what is a significant synchronicity that demands we pay attention to it and what is just the way the world actually sort of works.
• 1:46:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So all these synchronicities are happening and it's like the wind blowing through the trees
• 1:46:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the way is crashing on the shore.
• 1:46:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just part of the plan.
• 1:46:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's part of the machine, right?
• 1:46:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or the mechanism where they organism more accurately.
• 1:47:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the way the world works.
• 1:47:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when we find those most significant synchronicities particularly when they come in answer to a sort of a query, right, those are the things that you're going to be able to use that you're going to be able to build upon.
• 1:47:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: to get to where you're going, get to where you want to be.
• 1:47:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the example that I would just bring up about that is exactly what I talked about, what happened this weekend.
• 1:47:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where I was thinking a lot about 1983 again, and just these tremendous changes that most people don't even understand happened, right?
• 1:47:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or might not even understand that they all
• 1:47:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, I end up just sort of soaking, the thing I didn't mention is that I felt this really strong pull.
• 1:47:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I felt like I had to go to that bookstore.
• 1:48:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I did just go there just on a log.
• 1:48:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like something was telling me, Chris, go to that bookstore.
• 1:48:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is something that you need to see there.
• 1:48:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And sure enough, I go there and there's this incredible penalty of things that I needed to see, right?
• 1:48:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now that's to me, some people might see that, you know, more is like kind of signs and wonders than synchronicity, but I don't know if I, I distinguish between the two, I think signs and wonders and synchronicity are all part of the same continuum.
• 1:48:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a question of how unusual the connections are and how you choose to act upon those connections that makes the difference.
• 1:48:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is really incumbent on us acting.
• 1:48:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I had this whole impulse or this thought in my head that I had to go to this store and I did and
• 1:48:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: understood why and understood why on another level again today, which is kind of interesting to me.
• 1:49:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I had to act on it.
• 1:49:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't just sit around and think, well, maybe something is there.
• 1:49:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I can just sort of speculate about it.
• 1:49:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, you have to get off your ass and go and do things.
• 1:49:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have to make things happen.
• 1:49:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have to show up.
• 1:49:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have to, you know, when something is calling you, you have to, you know, you have to obey that calling.
• 1:49:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: if you want to get anywhere with the work.
• 1:49:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes the signal to noise ratio will be rather low and you'll just find yourself chasing a lot of dead ends and so on.
• 1:49:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's important too because you learn what not to do.
• 1:49:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: We learn from our mistakes more than we do our successes.
• 1:49:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you find yourself just chasing bad leads
• 1:49:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and if you sit and stop and say, well, what did I learn from this, you're going to find that you learned how to distinguish signal from noise in my estimation.
• 1:50:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to make a major change in the way you approach the work.
• 1:50:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So.
• 1:50:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:50:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:50:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, and again, I can attest to that not only as someone who follows your work, but as someone who is following this incirmistic flow in the river of my life, you know, as best as I can, we're trying not to get dashed across the rocks, but, you know, there's always a sewing needle.
• 1:50:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: In the carpet to worry about now, at least in my imagination, I got to get a big magnet and clean the floor for any other sewing needles before I walk a barefoot in my place again.
• 1:50:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that experience has changed you in a way that you aren't appreciating or appreciating to later.
• 1:50:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe like as unpleasant and annoying,
• 1:51:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: as that whole thing was.
• 1:51:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe there was something else going on that you'll discover or realize.
• 1:51:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:51:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have some time in the future.
• 1:51:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I, you know, I hope I'm not getting ahead of myself, but, you know, a thorn in the lines, Paul, that image came to mind, and I went to the Reflexology chart.
• 1:51:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll tell you what, Chris, the needle hit me right in the spot that corresponds to my sex organ.
• 1:51:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what that's about.
• 1:51:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: my future or my past or my present, but I have to just be careful.
• 1:51:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that was a warning or maybe it was just a good old, you know, fashion, acupuncture treatment and I should be experiencing, you know, some benefits in the next few.
• 1:51:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, that's what was so funny about it because I was in a good spirits and even the nurse was like, you know, you're pretty good
• 1:52:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're trying to be part of a lot worse.
• 1:52:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot worse.
• 1:52:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see the whole factor for this one.
• 1:52:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so anyways, Chris, I'm so excited to take a deeper look at the work you've put into XF Ultra and I would refer people to secret sundatplugs.com because they are they will find all the links to your book and while they're at it, they can read.
• 1:52:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: some of your freely available material all very good and of course the secret sun institute which is available on Patreon that is your Patreon's name and we're gonna link that in the episode description but it's always a pleasure to have you on the show and get your insights on all this stuff.
• 1:52:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like I said I've had quite a synchronicity summer all kinds of crazy things happening
• 1:52:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: When I saw the article that said back to the year that broke reality, I said, Oh, this is going to be an interesting conversation.
• 1:53:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, that was one of my favorite conversations we've had.
• 1:53:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if people haven't listened to that episode in the past, go back and listen to that conversation with Chris as well, but the year that broke reality is in the title, so it should be easy to find.
• 1:53:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, Chris, thank you again for joining me any final thoughts before we wrap up.
• 1:53:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost about two hours here.
• 1:53:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: by my books, or you know, except Fultra.
• 1:53:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're an ex-files fan or curious about it, you know, this book is gonna give you all the information that you need.
• 1:53:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it isn't just all the secondary theoretical stuff.
• 1:53:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of like real meat and potatoes information about how the show was produced.
• 1:53:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: lot of the episodes, what inspired them, how they were made.
• 1:53:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's tremendous, I mean, the paperback is 360 pages, the hard cover is about 410 pages.
• 1:54:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot to read.
• 1:54:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a book that I hope people spend a lot of time with.
• 1:54:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: The X files, it's a major cultural touchstone.
• 1:54:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: up there with, you know, up there with Star Trek and Star Wars and all the rest of it.
• 1:54:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I just think it's a lot more interesting than any of that.
• 1:54:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think of all the major kind of sci-fi, fantasy, whatever types of genre TV shows, particularly TV shows.
• 1:54:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's by far the most interesting, because it's the most layered, it's the most loaded.
• 1:54:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: they put so much into it and they put so much into it and didn't always call attention to the fact, you know, it's like you really have to pay attention, but it rewards your attention.
• 1:54:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you really enjoy the process of discovery of discovering things and not just having everything handed to you on a plate,
• 1:55:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that you have to do the work to make the connections yourself.
• 1:55:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, this is just nothing better.
• 1:55:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: This, of all, you know, Matrix Star Wars, whatever, there's nothing that even comes close to the X-Files, because they were really incredibly smart, incredibly hardworking people who,
• 1:55:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: love to sneak things in under the radar, so to speak, which I always love to.
• 1:55:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love to discover things, I love to figure things out, I love to find things out, I don't want to just passively consume entertainment.
• 1:55:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: To me, there's just nothing more boring on the planet, you know, than just being a passive consumer of corporate culture, you know.
• 1:55:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's funny someone really close to me mentioned how their grandfather would pause the television to marvel at like old furniture and old television shows and like appreciate the beauty and these old piece of furniture and I feel like I'm going to do that with the ex files when I see books or reading material in any scene.
• 1:56:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to pause it and be like
• 1:56:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's the author?
• 1:56:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can we zoom in on this?
• 1:56:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can we buy this?
• 1:56:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll just very quickly say this.
• 1:56:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: One book you're going to want to pay particular attention to in the second movie called the movie called I want to believe, okay?
• 1:56:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a book called Beautiful Wasps having sex that's written by Chris Carter's wife, that if you actually picked that book up, it's a real book.
• 1:56:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Actually this actually published.
• 1:56:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not at liberty to discuss openly, but it's very much an open secret that I think will add another major layer of meaning and the discovery for the show for you.
• 1:56:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there you go, for the all the folks around to the end, that's what it's worth.
• 1:56:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look at that.
• 1:56:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
• 1:56:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Chris.
• 1:57:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm going to go and buy that book.
• 1:57:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:57:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And until next episode and until next time, I have the chance of having you on the podcast, so is a pleasure.
• 1:57:09
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• 1:57:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: So on Institute, folks, buy XF Ultra and until next
• 1:57:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Alright ladies and gentlemen that was our conversation with one of my favorite guests Chris Nulls who's been on the show about eight times now so yeah I will be in the rankings for a high-ish fraternity guest one of my favorites so he's got some interesting stuff to say and for us me I've been very busy with a lot of different things including getting a needle stuck in my foot got it to my angel who saved my wife that day and yeah
• 1:57:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody, everybody in the ER too, shout out to them.
• 1:57:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, Dr. Schmidt, you're free to Schmidt head.
• 1:58:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, you know, thank you for listening to this episode.
• 1:58:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, sorry, there's a break.
• 1:58:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dr. patient confidentiality.
• 1:58:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's a Schmidt head, so he deserves it.
• 1:58:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, so yeah, my family thinks I'm crazy, love you all, make your tuning in, sign up on the Patreon to support me and support yourself by signing up for my Patreon, but also the Secret Sun Institute, which is Chris Knows' Patreon, a very interesting place to be on the web.
• 1:58:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no other place like it, so go and check it out as an awesome community.
• 1:58:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I got another episode coming out this week, so I know I said that last week and I didn't follow through But at least we've been doing once a week, you know, we're trying.
• 1:58:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got a bunch of interviews in the works, so we're working stuff.
• 1:58:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry folks.
• 1:58:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be back on plan.
• 1:58:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be back on the normal plan two week very soon.
• 1:59:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell them immerse yourself in the moment wherever you are in the now.