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INTERVIEW: Bozoma Saint John On Embracing Change, Dating As An Alpha Female, New Beauty Line, RHOBH + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody is the j Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamage, the guy.
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  Speaker 3: We are to Breakfast Club Lawn, LaRosa, phillid In for Jess.
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  Speaker 3: And we got a special guest in the building. We
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  Speaker 3: have Bozamus Saint John. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. I'm doing all right now. You
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  Speaker 4: feel you, thank you. Nice to see you.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sending you positive energy and love. And like we
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  Speaker 5: just saw that you lost your house in the La Wild.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, right in Mali, and you said you found out
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  Speaker 4: on social media. Yes, got on Twitter video. Yeah, somebody's
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  Speaker 4: just driving down pH and I was like, oh, that's
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  Speaker 4: my intersection. Oh shit, there's no house.
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  Speaker 3: Did you get a chance to go back to see
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  Speaker 3: whatever was there to rubble if you can find it.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't. I haven't been able to be back yet.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, everybody's just waiting to see
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  Speaker 4: when we're allowed to go back and see what is left.
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  Speaker 4: Although you know there's nothing left, but I think there's
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  Speaker 4: still something about the grief process where you just need
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  Speaker 4: to see it to know yourself that it's totally gone.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like, is it a grief.
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  Speaker 4: It is a grief, yeah, because it's a loss. It's
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  Speaker 4: a big loss. You know. It's like I think, you know,
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  Speaker 4: people have said things like, oh, well, at least you
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  Speaker 4: have your life and you know it's just things and
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  Speaker 4: you can replace it. I'm just like, you know how
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  Speaker 4: long it took me to get there, twenty five years
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  Speaker 4: of hard work? Did you lose pictures, passports, all, like
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  Speaker 4: so many things?
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  Speaker 1: But when you evacuated, what were you able to grab
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  Speaker 1: if anything?
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  Speaker 4: Nothing? Well, first of all, I wasn't even in the
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  Speaker 4: country you were. I was in Zambia.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, birthday right, yes, happy belated.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Two yeah, thank you. That's a lie.
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  Speaker 4: But it was like it was just it was so
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  Speaker 4: scary and overwhelming because you know, all you know is
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  Speaker 4: that the fires are coming, you don't know which direction
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  Speaker 4: they're going in, and the evacuations happen so quickly that
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  Speaker 4: you know, the people who are in their homes like really,
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  Speaker 4: you don't have time to think. I think we've all
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  Speaker 4: had that moment right where you been like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's like if there was something like who would you
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  Speaker 4: save or what would you take? And you make those theories.
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  Speaker 4: But in reality, it doesn't work like that. There's this panic,
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  Speaker 4: and for me, since I was so far away, there
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  Speaker 4: was really nothing I could do, and Who's I gonna
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  Speaker 4: send to go get myself? I was gonna do that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so you gotta let it burn.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see online which I thought was horrible and
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  Speaker 3: the tasteful people were saying, you know when rich people
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  Speaker 3: are wealthy people were losing their cribs. Good for them,
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  Speaker 3: they could get another one and all that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, like, it doesn't matter if you're wealthy,
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  Speaker 3: if you're not, you're losing things that care and me.
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  Speaker 1: The most of you.
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  Speaker 3: So so how did you feel when you're seeing that,
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  Speaker 3: Like now you just lost your all your property, You
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  Speaker 3: lost all your things, and then you see this online?
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  Speaker 4: Well it pisses me off because it's like who you
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  Speaker 4: think gave me the house?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 4: You think somebody just came here and gave me the house.
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  Speaker 4: You don't know that I worked for it. So what
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  Speaker 4: if you worked for it, you should just lose it
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  Speaker 4: and it should be all right. No, of course I'm sad.
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  Speaker 4: I cry, I'm mad. Know. It's like, yes, of course
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  Speaker 4: I'm in a better position because I will be able
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  Speaker 4: to replace things. I we'll be able to rebuild. But
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  Speaker 4: who wants to do that? You know, we got enough
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  Speaker 4: going on. I don't want to have to do that too,
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  Speaker 4: Like can I get some peace? Just want some rest?
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  Speaker 4: And so it's like it makes me upset when people
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  Speaker 4: say stuff like.
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  Speaker 3: That, what was the most important thing or the one
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  Speaker 3: thing that you are so upset that you couldn't get
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  Speaker 3: or that you missed out on.
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  Speaker 1: Or you lost you know.
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  Speaker 4: To be honestly, I haven't even really thought that far
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  Speaker 4: into it. I think it would be too overwhelming for
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  Speaker 4: me right now, you know too. But like what happens
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  Speaker 4: is that every once in a while, I'm just like,
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  Speaker 4: oh damn, that thing was over there, that was there,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, you know, I go
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  Speaker 4: reach for something like it's gone, you know. And that's
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  Speaker 4: the part that is really upsetting because it could be
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  Speaker 4: such small things, you know, and then there's like the
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  Speaker 4: really big stuff that you you can't replace.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Me and my wife were talking the other day when
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  Speaker 3: we see you know, we were like, you know, what
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  Speaker 3: would we grab Like we tried, we try to start
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  Speaker 3: setting things up in the house, and she's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta go get the photo albums.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta get the pictures.
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  Speaker 1: I need the memories. And then she was like, but damn,
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  Speaker 1: what about the kids? First outfit? You want to be
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  Speaker 1: able to pass that on, And then you think about
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  Speaker 1: what about this.
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  Speaker 2: About the kids? You got thirteen of them?
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  Speaker 4: You know how.
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  Speaker 7: She dealing with all of this because she's you know,
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  Speaker 7: she's young, and explaining it to her, she's.
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  Speaker 4: Fifteen, and I think it's I mean, it's a tough time.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you're already a teenager with all these emotions
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  Speaker 4: going on, you know. But she has friends who've also
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  Speaker 4: lost their houses, so at least she has some community
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  Speaker 4: that she can talk to about shared experience. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: how do you comfort a child who's like, well, what what?
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  Speaker 4: What if the fire comes again? You know, and then
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  Speaker 4: what So it's just a tough thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that was going happen. So what happens with school
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  Speaker 1: and living?
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  Speaker 3: Don't well, first of all, was that your main house
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  Speaker 3: because you got money?
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  Speaker 1: Second house your second house for you?
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  Speaker 4: Yea, So it's definitely not.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna feel sorry for you.
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  Speaker 6: I don't like anybody.
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  Speaker 7: The only reason why I say that with you, I
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  Speaker 7: don't know any of the other celebrities personally, but for me,
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  Speaker 7: when I moved to LA you were one of the
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  Speaker 7: girls that like a lot of us were watching, like
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  Speaker 7: when you were in Mark Get in and now you're
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  Speaker 7: on the show, and you worked hard for what you had.
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  Speaker 7: So I love that it's my second house and you
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  Speaker 7: can still go through things as well.
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  Speaker 4: So exactly. And the thing is that the second house,
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  Speaker 4: It's like, look, I still had to fight for that house.
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  Speaker 4: I still had to battle racist neighbors for that house.
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  Speaker 4: I still had to put my house in a trust,
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  Speaker 4: inside of a trust so nobody would know a single
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  Speaker 4: black woman was buying the house. And so I'm like, yes,
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  Speaker 4: it's my second house, but like, look I should have
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  Speaker 4: a third house. I should have a fourth house. All
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  Speaker 4: these people get it, so why can't I have it?
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  Speaker 4: And so yeah, I get pissed when it's like people
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  Speaker 4: are like, oh, well that's all right, you know you
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  Speaker 4: have another one. N I want more and we deserve more.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like when I get it and then I
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  Speaker 4: lose it, I want everybody to be pissed off. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we don't get a chance to buy in
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  Speaker 4: these neighborhoods and so when we do and then we
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  Speaker 4: lose it, we should all be pissed because then about
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  Speaker 4: when it's your turn and then you can't buy it?
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  Speaker 2: How are you able to show up and do this though?
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  Speaker 2: Because I mean the show what's going? Right?
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  Speaker 5: You got your beauty brand eat by by promoting the
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  Speaker 5: reality show, but then you got all of this heavy
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  Speaker 5: How are you able to even show up and just
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  Speaker 5: do what you're doing right now?
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  Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately, I'm not unused to grief.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's.
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  Speaker 4: Like I've faced a lot of it in my life.
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  Speaker 4: And one thing I know for sure is that the
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  Speaker 4: son is going to come up the next day. People
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  Speaker 4: are going to keep moving and if you don't move
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  Speaker 4: with it, you'll get left behind, you know. And it's like, look,
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  Speaker 4: I think one of the things for me is that, yes,
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  Speaker 4: I do want to rebuild, Yes I do want another house.
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  Speaker 4: Yes I want more things in my life. And how
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  Speaker 4: am I gonna get it? Nobody's gonna give it to me.
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  Speaker 4: So I got to get up and go do the
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  Speaker 4: work myself.
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  Speaker 1: And what made you do Real Housewives at Beverly Hills?
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  Speaker 1: Why did you jump into that?
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  Speaker 2: That's the first thing I said.
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  Speaker 6: That announce me. I was like, I didn't think it
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  Speaker 6: was boredom.
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  Speaker 7: I just thought I was like, well, maybe this is
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  Speaker 7: going to like lean into like future business. She's so
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  Speaker 7: successful already, she's the girl for us girls. Why would
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  Speaker 7: she go over there with them people?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know what's so funny, the the idea of
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  Speaker 4: being on the show is actually really interesting to me
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  Speaker 4: because I do feel like there's no representation for women
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  Speaker 4: like me or like us. You know that. It's like, look,
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  Speaker 4: the corporate girlies who are ambitious, who are smart, who
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  Speaker 4: are loyal and will defend their friends and all of that,
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  Speaker 4: they don't exist in this space. No disrespect to anybody else,
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  Speaker 4: but they just don't. And so I'm like, well, I've
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  Speaker 4: already represented in so many different spaces, like why not
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  Speaker 4: do it here and also work on a bigger platform
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  Speaker 4: and also do things that I want to do in
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  Speaker 4: a different way, So why not?
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  Speaker 5: I guess we always look at you as an executive,
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  Speaker 5: like I want to run down some of your resume.
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  Speaker 2: You the global CMO and Netflix CMO.
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  Speaker 5: Of in Devil, CEO, CBO of Uber, head of marketing
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  Speaker 5: of Apple Music, and its head of Music and Entertainment
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  Speaker 5: Marketing at PEPSI coo, I'm missing anything.
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  Speaker 4: God's favorite baby.
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  Speaker 5: What would you say the key to all of that
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  Speaker 5: success has been and do you prefer being behind the
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  Speaker 5: scenes in front of.
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  Speaker 4: The Yeah, oh that's an interesting I mean, I think
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  Speaker 4: the key to success always has been that I truly
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  Speaker 4: am myself. You know, I think that a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people like to say that. It's hard to do because
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  Speaker 4: when you're in these spaces, conformity is what wins. You know,
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  Speaker 4: You've got to just be like everybody else. You got
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  Speaker 4: to wear the gray suit like everybody else. But anybody
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  Speaker 4: who has seen my career or seen me walking around
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  Speaker 4: has known that, like, I am a black girl first
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  Speaker 4: and foremost, I represent exactly who I am. I don't
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  Speaker 4: try to pretend not to be. And so for me,
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  Speaker 4: it's like that has been my key to differentiation of
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  Speaker 4: what has made me successful, and so now moving out
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  Speaker 4: of that space is just another unexpected thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, look, you read my resume and it sounds
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  Speaker 4: great because people are like, oh my gosh, you did
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  Speaker 4: that and that that. But it's like if you were
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  Speaker 4: there with me day to day and were advising me,
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  Speaker 4: you'd see that people never cheered me on even when
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  Speaker 4: I made jumps, like people never did. So when I
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  Speaker 4: left Apple to go to Uber, people were like why
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  Speaker 4: would you do that? Like why would you leave Apple?
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  Speaker 4: And at the time I went to Uber was like
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  Speaker 4: the company was going down in flames. They're like, why
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  Speaker 4: would you do that? And much like yeah, because first
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  Speaker 4: of all, y'all think that I'm getting these jobs as
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  Speaker 4: some sort of token, and so what I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: show you is actually I'm the greatest marketer of life
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  Speaker 4: and that a company that is on its knees, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to help rebuild. And when I do that, you
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  Speaker 4: can't ask me another question. And then it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: I moved from Uber to Endeavor and then Endeavor to
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  Speaker 4: Netflix and Netflix I joined right at the start of
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  Speaker 4: the pandemic, and people are like, oh, why would you
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  Speaker 4: do that? Like it's such a big company, like the
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  Speaker 4: spotlight is on it. If you fail, you're going to
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  Speaker 4: fail big. And I'm like, yeah, but if I can
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  Speaker 4: do that, then you again, you can ask me whether
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  Speaker 4: or not they can do this right, because now I've
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  Speaker 4: done it at four different companies, who's gonna deny me?
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  Speaker 4: And then I was inducted into the Marketing Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, okay, there, I'm done retire,
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Franchise shooting down, So I guess you're there to save
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  Speaker 3: the Real Housewives franchise because that franchise seemed like it
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  Speaker 3: was going down.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that it deserves a reinvention.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I think the relationships between women has been really shown
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  Speaker 4: poorly in ways that are not helpful. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 4: that there's not conflict. There's always conflict. There's conflict the boardroom. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: the fights I had in the boardroom were far scarier
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  Speaker 4: than any fight have had on this damn.
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  Speaker 1: You know any of those women, were you friends with them?
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  Speaker 4: I knew one of them?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh okay, because because people thought that your connection
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  Speaker 7: to the show was a sa vander pump because you
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  Speaker 7: guys were at that.
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  Speaker 4: I know, at one event together.
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  Speaker 6: It was like other people in the picture.
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  Speaker 7: So they thought, I thought that maybe you knew her
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  Speaker 7: because she does so much business in Beverly Hills and
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  Speaker 7: then she ushered you into the show.
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  Speaker 4: But no, no, no, suddenly because just socially, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we know each other that way. But yeah, I just
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  Speaker 4: I just think that there are opportunities for us to
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  Speaker 4: continue to show the diversity and relationships with women. And
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that this is like a one trick thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we should have more ability to show the drama and
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  Speaker 4: conflict and the things that happened in your life that
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily have to be with you just screaming and
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  Speaker 4: yelling at people needlessly.
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  Speaker 2: You do what comfortable feels like?
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  Speaker 4: Both, Do I know what comfortable feels like?
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  Speaker 2: You have allowed yourself to get comfortable.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think in a workspace, No, I mean in
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  Speaker 4: the workspace, Yeah, I haven't. No, I don't know because
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  Speaker 4: there isn't one, you know, not because I haven't allowed
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  Speaker 4: myself to, but because that's just death. You know. It's
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  Speaker 4: like if you get too comfortable in the corporate spaces, uh,
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  Speaker 4: somebody's gonna come get you, you know. And I don't
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  Speaker 4: think that there's any nirvana for black people, or especially
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  Speaker 4: black women in these spaces. And so I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you always got to watch your back. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: think I've ever been comfortable.
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  Speaker 5: No, I'm glad you said that too, because I feel
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  Speaker 5: the same way. And I think that sometimes when you
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  Speaker 5: get too comfortable, you start to play it safe. And
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  Speaker 5: then that's when I think all of these industries start
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  Speaker 5: to die out because you've got people who are playing
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  Speaker 5: it safe. And my thing is like, they're probably gonna
• 11:46
  Speaker 5: fire you if you play it safe, you might as
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  Speaker 5: well take the risk because if you get fired doing that,
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  Speaker 5: at least you feel good about yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I've always said that, like, look, when I leave
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  Speaker 4: a space, I want you to know that I was there,
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  Speaker 4: Like I will never leave a space, and you were
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  Speaker 4: just like, oh, what'll she even here at all? No,
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  Speaker 4: I got to leave some sort of footprint, and so
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  Speaker 4: it's like, how am I going to do that if
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  Speaker 4: not representing for who I am in my community and
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  Speaker 4: all of those things. Now, look, I recognize the fact
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  Speaker 4: that it is a burden to be in these spaces
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  Speaker 4: and to be the one and people, you know, when
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  Speaker 4: something happens to black people, they turn to you and
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  Speaker 4: be like, oh, so, what do you think we should do?
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  Speaker 4: And yes, that is annoying, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, well maybe that's why I'm actually in
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  Speaker 4: this room to actually say the things that are hard
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  Speaker 4: to say and the things that they wouldn't know otherwise.
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  Speaker 4: And so for me, the comfortability aspect has never really
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  Speaker 4: been part of what I have tried to achieve because
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  Speaker 4: I know that that's not my destiny, that's not what
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  Speaker 4: I'm meant to do.
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  Speaker 7: So are you staying in the room to do that?
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  Speaker 7: Because people think you're leaving the show because of the
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  Speaker 7: post that you put up on.
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  Speaker 4: This are No, I'm not leaving the show. That's by
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  Speaker 4: something else. But then my house burned down, so then
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't even talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: But oh, so he was gonna quit something else? You
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  Speaker 2: had an announcement company.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I was thinking about like life changes and
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: things I need to do, not about the show at all.
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  Speaker 2: Got you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, But how will eliminate Well, you see Trump's in
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  Speaker 5: office now and you know, yes, all of these DEI
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  Speaker 5: initiatives getting eliminated across the country.
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  Speaker 2: How will that impact us black people?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean in a terribly adverse way, because you know,
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: everything is cyclical, you know, so it's like you just
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  Speaker 4: look at society and culture and realize that things just
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  Speaker 4: go back around and around and around, and so we
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  Speaker 4: are headed back into like the mid eighties, you know,
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  Speaker 4: with the idea that America was only great when you
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: had you know, a monolith only you know a few
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: people at the top who want to make the decisions. Yeah,
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: and so everything else has felt like you're taking away
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: from that community and from those people, and so yeah,
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: it's like they're coming back to be like, hey, look, everybody,
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: get out. We need to make this country better. And
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: we can't have all of these people telling us what
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: to do, not even the majority. And so until we
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: actually come together as multiples of communities, we're never going
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: to be in power. And so that's the thing that
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: always confuses me. I'm like, I realized that there are
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: challenges for black people that are different from Latinos, or
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: different from Asian people or you know, anybody else who's
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: of color. But the challenges that like, we can't fight
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: the battles individually. We really can't.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: I wanted to know, you know, from we're proud of
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: you as a community, from what you've done, what you've accomplished,
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: but you know, some people might not know the educational
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: background and how you got there.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: So for people.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: That's in your field that's admire you and want to say, damn,
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: I want to even go a notch of what she did.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: How did you do it right?
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: What is the education right, Well, I mean I have
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: my bachelor's degree. You know, I don't have a master's degree.
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: I decided after my bachelor's that I wanted to jump
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: right into work. You know that I had the opportunity
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: to go to Spike Lee's advertising agency, which is where
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: I got my start. And you know, I think the
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: difference with how I did it is that I never
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: thought that a job was too small, you know, for
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: me to actually like.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Say that again, because people, I don't think they heard
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: of that. And did you get paid at first? You
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: didn't get paid it.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: I got paid nothing, got paid nothing. But you know,
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: the jobs were never too small. Like I brought my
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: full self to every single job. There was never a
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: time where I was just like, you know what, when
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: I get into that corner office, that's when I'm gonna
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: do da da da da da. No I did that
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: when I was an assistant. Yo. It's like you can
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: ask Pike today and he will tell you that like
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: I crushed. In fact, like when I was getting inducted
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: into the Hall of Fame, he did an interview and
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: he said he knew then that he would work for
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: me one day. Wow, And that happened when I was
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: at Netflix and he got an overall deal while I
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: was the CMO, you know. And so for me, it's like, look,
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: there's never been a moment in my career where I
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: felt like I can't wait for the next thing. I
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: brought everything to the job I had, and so even
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: now as I sit here and doing this show and
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: all that, I'm bringing everything everything I have, you know,
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: because I want to be able to have the next
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: opportunity and the next opportunity and the next opportunity.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: I should know when the job is done. How do
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: you know when your time at a places.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: That's a very complicated question, Like I think some of
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: it is intuition, you know, just feeling like the energy
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: is shifted. So but that requires knowing yourself and knowing
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: what it is that you're trying to do and accomplish.
• 16:28
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Back to what I was saying about people not cheering
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: for me when I was done with the job and
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: moving to the next thing, because they always feel like
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: they know when you should go. You know, They're like, oh, wait,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: but you didn't do that big thing, so you should wait,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, but I can feel it. I
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: can see that either I'm not going to be able
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: to do it because somebody's in my way or there's
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: something that has stopped me. And why stay in a
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: place when you're going to have diminishing return. It's like,
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: at some point you've got to realize that you got
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: to get out when you're on top, and that's how
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: you keep at the top. You know, if you come
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: down towards a decline, it is much harder to rise again.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: It's much easier to jump from top to top to top.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself an alpha woman?
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yes, So with being.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: An alf woman, how is that in relationships? Do you
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: feel like you have to submit a little bit? Do
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: you feel like you have to fall back a little bit?
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: You can that question the Lauren, Huh, you couldn't pass
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: that question.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you the truth, no, because you know, when
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: it comes to the Real House. You know, my wife
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: watches the show, so she's a fan, and she she
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: loves who you are. So she's always asked like, damn,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I wonder how is that in a relationship? Because she's
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: very strong and she had that question. She also wanted
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: to know, did you feel like those friendships on Real
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Housewives of Beverly Hills are real friendships.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: So do you think it's bullshit?
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: But start without start with Okay, So here's the thing.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I can't diminish who I am. It's not possible. So yes,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I want the soft girl life and the whole thing,
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: and I can have that too, But at the end
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: of the day, this is who I am. You know,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: I walk into a room and I demand things. It
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: is my energy and my aura, and so the need
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: for a partner who is not threatened by that or
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: not afraid of that is absolutely necessary, you know. So
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: it's not necessarily about me dimming or getting quieter or
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: being more subservient. Is that? Like, who's just going to
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: match my energy? You know? My mom says every pot
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: has a lid, and I feel like, now I found
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: a lid.
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: How did you know that, Kiley?
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: Because also too, not only is he coming and you're
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: like already this super successful marketing Hall of Famer, but
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: now he's having to be introduced on real house as
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: of Beverly Hills. Right, he's got questions after your late
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: husband as well. Yeah, how did you usher him into
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: all that? And how did you know he was fit
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: for that?
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Job, right. Well, also I have to add that, like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I also respect him a great deal, you know, so
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: that that has to be at the bottom of it,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: you know, which is like, that's where we have to start.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I have a tremendous amount of respect for him. And
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: so the conversation even telling him that like, hey, look,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: I'm on the show, right I would like you to
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: be on the show, but let's talk about that whether
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: or not you feel comfortable doing it. And when he
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: said he did, and I was like, all right, look,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: you haven't been in the scrutiny like I have, so
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: we're gonna have to talk about what that looks like
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: for you, you know. And so to me, it's like
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: there's a responsibility that I have to him, you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: in being my partner on being on the show, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: therefore making sure that he's also protected. So perhaps that's
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: even where the alpha woman shows up, is that like
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: I feel that, you know, I want to be protected
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: by him, but I also feel a responsibility to protect
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: him as well. And as for the relationships on the show, Look,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: I'm the first one to tell you that I really
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: thought that these conversations were played up, you know, I
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: thought it was yeah, you know, people be like, oh,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: she talked about you, and I was shocked to find
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: out that the relationships are really real. So people get
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: upset about real things, you know, and that you really
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: don't know. It's just like life, like you don't know
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: if somebody's talking about you behind your back. You do
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: not know that, and so you're making assumptions based on
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: the facts that are given to you. So you might
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: be really nice to somebody. But yet she was over
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: here talking about whatever it is that she wanted to
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: talk about you, and you didn't even know. And so
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: you see it on screen later and people will be like, oh,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: she should have known she was fake and this and that.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: You're just like, how would you know that. You'd have
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: to be psychic you would have known. And so I
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: am continuously learning about the relationships between the women and
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: myself and then also how it appears on camera. Reunions
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: are going to be very interesting. That's all I know.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Could you data? Could you have a house husband? Like
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: if it was just a guy who.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I don't think, No, I don't believe so, yeah, I
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: don't think so, I don't think so that nice guy.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: He looked good, he putting it down. He cooks, yeah,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: keeps everything.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: I think it's it's probably more about like mindset and
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: ambition than anything else, you know. I'm just I'm way
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: too ambitious, I think to have somebody who would not
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: want to also be ambitious.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I also noticed on the show they changed a lot
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: on the show where and I watched the show with
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: my wife.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: That's little thing, but.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I noticed on the show. When I do watch it,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I love seeing them women bow down to you a
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: little bit, like they tiptoe.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Around you, and you know, like you could tell that
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: they look for your approval. Do you notice that because
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it's a shift and it's a change.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I do think it's a shift because I'm not like them,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: and so I think anytime somebody new or like a
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: new situation presents itself, they're also going to be a
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: little careful, you know, because you just don't know. You
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: got to test the water right now. If I come
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: back for a second season, I think that would be
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: a different situation because now they know they know you
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: right right, and they're like, oh okay, so she's got
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: her opinions, she can stand up for herself, and they'll
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: have a different way to interact with me. I'm sure
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: that's going to happen.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: How did putting out your book, The Urgent Life of
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: My Story of Love, Loss and survily, Well, how did
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: that being vulnerable in that book prepay you to be
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: vulnerable on reality time?
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Oh that's a great question. It was so hard to
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: write my memoir. You know, it was so hard because
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: I think what happens is that, you know, as I
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: was saying, with grief, you know, you just want to
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: get it behind you. You just you want to feel better,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: you want to feel quote unquote normal. And what happens
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: is that we don't realize that you put away the
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: sadness and the fear and the anger and all those things,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: which also put away the happiness and the joy and
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: all the good things that were a part of that
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: because your brain doesn't know how to separate any of
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: those things. And so in writing the book, I had
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: to go get all of that stuff back. You know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I had to be really honest about how I was
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: feeling in a situation, or you know, what was my
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: true feelings about the thing, in order to write an
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: honest book. And I didn't feel like anyone would would
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: connect with it if I was just writing fiction, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: that absolutely prepared me for this particular role because I
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: don't have the need to hold back from my personal life.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: You know, so much of my life has been about
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: my professional pursuits, and so in writing the book, I
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: was able to talk about love. I was able to
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: talk about you know, things that made me cry and
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: you know, things that hurt me. And so now it's
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: like I can do that more comfortably because I've already
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: done it by writing it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: How do you this is a back to the show stuff,
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: How does it feel with you and Garcel? Like you
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: guys are like the two black women on the show, right,
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: and you already talked about like feeling like you're there
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: to say certain things that people can't say, whatever the
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: case may be.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Does it make you feel like a token?
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: You don't give the energy that you would just be
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: okay with that, But does it make you feel like that?
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: Do you ever have to be like to like now,
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: am I doing it happening? Yes?
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: All the time. Well, the thing is that, like I
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily have to tell producers I'm not going to
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: do whatever it is that because they're not really orchestrating anything,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: you know, But I know that I'm not doing the
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: thing that perhaps would be expected of me to do.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: You know, It's like I often said that, you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: I wasn't going to come down into the mud. It's like,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: if you have a conflict with me, you're gonna have
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: to rise to where I am, you know, in order
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: for me Like, look, you know, yeah, I'm like, I'm
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: not I'm not having petty disagreements right now. It's like
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: I have enough going on in my life that I
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: don't need to go down into like some small little things. Now.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: You know, if there is conflict about what is right
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: and how somebody is perceived or what I believe is
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: like an indefensible thing, yeah, then I'm going to talk
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: Do you feel the need to like do you and Garsel?
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: I don't know what your relationship is off camera?
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, what is that?
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Like it's a good relationship, Okay.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: Do you feel the need to defend her?
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: Certain things happen and she like, I know, she was
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: going through stuff where like they were attacking like her.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: I think it was her son.
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: And her case right right, right, right now, there's a
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: lesbian common thing where people were dragging her for that
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: with Kyle Richards.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. See, here's the other challenge is that, like I
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: feel like I can defend things when I am present.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: You know, It's like, I think it's a very thin
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: line when you start to talk about stuff that's' was
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: not present for I've already said I was at it
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: publicly that like if somebody has said something about my child,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: oh man, I don't know that we'd be we'd be
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: friends today, you know, Like I, I don't know that
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: I can get over that. I and I have yet
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: to talk to Garcela about how she got over that,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: you know, just because I just felt that, like it
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: just crossed such a line. And perhaps she is, you know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: more evolved than I am over it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: She was waiting on the shot.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe she wait on I don't know that's a
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: good point, But I do think that, you know, for
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: her and I, I hope that what people are seeing
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: is that there's a possibility to be more than one
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: type of black woman. You know that like ourselves, is
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: an accomplished actress who has her own life and her
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: own challenges and issues, and the conflicts that she's had
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: with the women don't necessarily have to be my conflicts
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: because I don't. I don't have those conflicts with them,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: you know I have. I probably have my own, And
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: so why is it that we can only have one?
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Like I really hate the comments with people are like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: oh okay, boss here and now carself can go. And
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I'm like, why why can't win the white girls back?
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Like why has it got to be her? Why are
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: we pitying she and I against each other? You know?
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, no, there there can be more of
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: us in these spaces without having to be oh, there's
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: only one type and that's it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: And I know you've experienced that to being, you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: the head of marketing and all these places, because they'll
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: turn to you and say, what is a.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Seventeen year old black guy?
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: And oh, my god, care about like I don't even
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: know exactly.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: We've been at meetings like so what is a black
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: a thirty two year old black woman?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And Patterson think, I'm like.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: How the hell do you know that? Exactly? I'm like,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: that's why you have research search departments.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Go do your job, just black women?
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: Do that?
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, that part, that's a better answer, that's part of
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: the researcher yet direct.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I have one other question you know what
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the fire is in LA. Who do you blame? If
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you blame anybody? Do you blame the government for not
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: having enough water to city to town?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Do you?
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Who do you blame?
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: M Well, God and I have had this discussion because
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: I don't really delve into conspiracy theories and do all
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: of that stuff. Now, look that I think our public
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: officials are have a job to do to been sure
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: that you know, the response teams have what they need
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: in order to do the things. But like if you
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: saw any video of Los Angeles on fire, you knew
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: that was armaged. I mean, it was just I don't Yeah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: It's like I don't know that there was any amount
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: of water that could have saved a majority of the houses.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: It's like people were taking their own hoses and you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: like wetting their houses and then the thing was dry
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: in like five minutes because the heat of the fire.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: So I don't know that I lay blame on a
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: human you know. I'm like, that's why there's insurance and
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: it's called the act of God.
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: Now are you still again going back to the show again,
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: I'd be watching the show. You had talked about your
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: using a platform for stuff like being able to talk
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: about like fibroids, and and I thought it was interesting
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: because you mentioned that you weren't in like a dire
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: situation where it's like you're in pain, you had to
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: You're just planning because you want to have another kid.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: Potentially, right, Yeah, how you feeling like today?
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I feel really good today. I'm just glad that
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: I was able to talk about that publicly because, you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know why it is that when we talk
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: about reproductive health, especially for black women, it's like this
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: point of shame. Yeah, you know, it's like I don't
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: know how many people sent me messages commented on the post,
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: like friends who were texting me and being like, girl,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I went through that last year. I'm like, why did
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I not know that? You know, It's like there's some
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: strange shame that's the associated with it, as if like
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: we're not good enough, or that we're not whole women
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: because you have fibroids and you've got to get that
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: removed in order to have any kind of we can
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: reproduce at all. And so I'm just like, wait, but no,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: this is a health issue, you know, And it's like
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: if we take care of that, we take care of ourselves,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: we will be in better shape. And I don't know
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: that there's any benefit to hiding any of that.
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: I think you also brought up a good conversation too,
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: because one of the things you said was like, I'm
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: not getting any younger, so I want to make these plans.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Now, that's right.
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: Have you been having conversations with those same people about,
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: you know, just you're not getting younger, but you do
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: want to have another camera?
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that looks like for you and how you're
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: planning for that. Yeah, I mean, Killie and I of
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: course talked about it. You know, my daughter and I
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: talked about it because you know, well, there are the
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: two people who be impacted. I don't really care about
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: anybody else's opinions, but for me, it was really important
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: to talk about the risks because I did not have
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: easy pregnancies in the past, and so I wanted to
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: make sure that I am in the health theest place
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: that I can be. And again, thank God that I'm
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: in a position to have insurance and you know, the
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: access to healthcare, and we know what black maternal health
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: looks like. It is dire. You know, it's like we're
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: dying at a rate faster than everybody. So for me,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: it's like, look, I wanted to be able to use
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: the show to talk about health, to talk about my
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: reproductive health. And then also, I do think that there's
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: a conversation to be had for the corporate girls who've
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: waited a long time to have.
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: Their babies, get babies fifteen Yeah, right exactly, and you
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: start all over again right now, yeap, I.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Would, And I think that there's a lot of women
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: who are doing that. You know. It's like, I like,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I look at a majority of my friends who are
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: in their mid forties, and a lot of them don't
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: have children yet. Some of them haven't gotten married yet
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: either because they were focused on their careers and didn't
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: you know, make that commitment, or they didn't find partners
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: who could manage their alphinis or whatever the reason is.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: But who want families. And so I'm like, again, there
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: is no shame in that. It's like, you can say
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: it out loud that I want a baby or I
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: want a family and then take the steps to get it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I just think we should remove the shame from it. So, yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be an old ass mom, but I'm gonna
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: I was going to ask you mentioned marriage, Yeah, and
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: now know that you know you've been married before. Now
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: you and Kelley together, it seems like I saw y'all
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: pictures of your way.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: Is that going to be? Is that a conversation for y'all?
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Right, Yes, it is a conversation. Well, because I want
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: to have a family in a nuclear unit, so I
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: want to be married and then have babies.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: So we're gonna see an engagement on the show.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Look, girl, talk to him?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Where's he?
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: How do you keep key from getting gassed up because
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: of the TV show? Because the cameras in front of
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: getting a little hot?
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Now, you know what I think that I think i'd
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: probably if I didn't know that he would be all right,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't have wanted to be with him in
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: the first place, you know, because you got to have
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: a level head. You can't let, you know, anybody make
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: you feel like, now I'm a big man on campus.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: You know, that's that can't be. That can't be the
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: way we behave So I trust that he's level headed
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: enough to take everything with the grain of salt. You know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: people love you. One day they're gonna hate you the
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: next day. Look, you just gotta take it as it comes.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Y'all should get the T shirts and.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: I got one last question about the EEI because you know,
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: to me, these corporate DEI initiatives have always been some
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: bs because like the number of black CEOs never increased.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: The money corporations you know, pledged all these black organizations.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: They never gave that out.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: And I think it was easy for them to get
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: rid of him because they never wanted them to begin with.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: WHOA.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I keep saying, real DEI has to be
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: created by us.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, what does that look like?
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I completely agree. And the other issue, and nobody wants
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: to talk about this, is that the DEI offices never
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: were funded. And so it's like as a CMO, I
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: had a billion dollars to spend my d de partner,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: chief diversity officer, zero budget.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: And so you had all these companies and organizations where
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: those officers would have to go asking for money for
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: their projects. Now, if I have the ROI on what
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: I'm doing with my money, why would I give it
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: to you. I don't know what you're going to do
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: with it, and I don't know that you're really going
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: to turn it into more profit because you probably can't.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: And so how am I going to trace that the
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: money I assigned to you is going to do the thing.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: So most of the time those DEI officers didn't get
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: any money at all. Wow, And so I don't know
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: how you succeed. I think the whole system was set
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: up for failure. And so yes, I agree with you
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: in that it does have to start with us. It
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: has to start with executives who are currently en roles
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: who are afraid to hire black and brown people because
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: they don't want to look like they have bias. And
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I'm like, no, you should have bias. That is actually
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: your job in that role. So even though like in
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: the roles, I never had DEI against my name, I
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: absolutely put that as part of what I want to
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: do increase the number of my employees and the peoples
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: on my on the on my team who were black
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: and brown or other that I don't have the perspective
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: of theirs, and I need it in order to do
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: the job well. So it just made mathematical and business sense.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: But also that you know, we have to look at
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: the other offices and make sure that those folks are
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: also feeling the responsibility of promoting DN I of doing
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: the work because once those offices go, don't think that
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: you're safe.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: I got one more, I got one more show question.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, do you so?
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: I know that there was an episode that yesterday.
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: I didn't get to see the episode, but y'all were
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: at the y'all did like the Tranquil spat day.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they were talking about the messages.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Yes, the Serenity soiree.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: Yes. Do you still feel like Kyle Richards was on BS?
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Yes? You do. Yeah.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: So you think she was trying to take old girl's husband?
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I don't think she was trying
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: to take her man. But I do think that she
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: was talking trash about her.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: That's why she You like, what is it? What is
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: the overall Goalden?
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Do you think to like? Because they were friends and
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: if you're talking about like, I'm gonna put myself in
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: the shoes because that's how I reviewed it. I'm like, look,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: if you're gonna say something about me, you should just
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: say it to my face. No, you know, but don't
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: go say it to my man and then say that
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: you're gonna keep a secret and separating yeah, I'm like, so, well,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: who side are you on? You know, I just think
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: that that breaks a girl code.
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: And then in real life, does that make you and
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: coll Richard's now y'all are at odds?
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Or like she well, you have to watch the rest
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: of the season.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: That's my last question.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: That's been great than we appreciate you for joining us
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: by boss Oh yes, yes, yes, well so yes. So.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: By the way, when I retired from corporate life and
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: promoted my book and all those things, I thought that like, okay,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: that was it. I'm done. But interestingly enough, like it
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: or not, my hair has always been a topic of
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: conversation in my corporate career. I mean it's like when
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: I did the Apple keynote, I was the first black
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: person to present you know, tech chnology on that stage,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: and half of the tweets that night were about my hair,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: you know. And I have always been an advocate of
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: being able to use the laws and you know, the
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: rules that have been written, whether it's the Crown Act
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: or anything else which allows for you to be fired
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: or like you know, suspended from school if your hair
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: isn't straight or whatever, like those rules still exist on
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: the books and figure out like, well, how can I
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: celebrate that? How can I, you know, encourage us, How
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: can I make sure that, Like, yeah, if I want
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: to wear my hair any kind of way I want,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: let me do it the way I want to do it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: And when I looked at the hair extension industry, eighty
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: percent of the consumer bases black women are women of color,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Yet we don't have any ownership in manufacturing and distribution
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: and innovation. So I'm like, why is a lace white?
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Like I could see your lace, yes, because it's white,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I'm like why? And look,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: you could go on YouTube or google it and you'll
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: find fourteen million videos of black women kitchen chemists. Why
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: we're out here telling you how to lay your lace
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: and make the color like you. And I'm just like,
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: why is that? So I went to China by myself
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: and to the biggest hair show in the world and
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: just walked around and asked questions. And then when I
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: realized that, like, oh wait, hold on, this is actually
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: an industry that's making a lot of money, but we're
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: not anywhere in the seats, I was like, well, I'm
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: going to do it myself. I'm going to get in
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: there so I built a factory in Ghana. I started
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: manufacturing and then now I'm selling it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: How is it going to impact your business with Trump
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: and an administration.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Well, look, as long as the exactly I'm not. As
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: long as the tariffs of hold, I'll be fine. But
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: the good news is that there are really great trade
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: agreements between Africa and the US and the UK, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: so I can distribute anywhere I want.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: You said you built a factory.
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: Girls just be getting vendor list. You went and built
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: a factory.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: I built a factory because the thing is, I also
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: didn't want to argue with people. I'm tired of that.
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: I'm like, look, and I used every dime of my
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: own money to build it. And Nasareni investors, I was like,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: you know again, I've worked for twenty five years. It's
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: like I have all these stocks and all these companies.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: It's like, why not invest it in what's going to
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: help us and what's gonna be better for us? That?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: So how did they buy some eve www dot bos
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: dot com dot so much they thought the Eve Well, yes,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: a few reasons. I My first child actually did not
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: survive her her delivery day. Her name was Eve and
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: also the even the Bible and the even science all
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: originated from the continent of Africa, and so I was like,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: you know what, we are the original woman, and so
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: we're going to take back that narrative too. Because when
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I looked at all the pictures for Eve, as I
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: was like concepting the brand, all of them were pale
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: and redheaded. I was like, why is that? Where's the
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: blackie Eve at? So I was like, all right, that's
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: gonna be the name of the company.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those a the Saint John ladies.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much, thank you for having me club.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club