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- 0:00Book six, Part one. And thus Lochan, after the argument has gone
- 0:06a weary way, the true and the false philosophers have at length appeared in
- 0:11view. I do not think, he said, that the way could have
- 0:14been shortened. I suppose not, I said, And yet I believe that
- 0:19we might have had a better view of both of them if the discussion could
- 0:23have been confined to this one subject, and if there were not many other
- 0:27questions awaiting us, which he who desires to see in what respect the life
- 0:33of the just differs from that of the unjust, must consider. And what
- 0:38is the next question, he asked, Surely, I said, the one
- 0:42which follows next in order. Inasmuch as philosophers only are able to grasp the
- 0:48eternal and unchangeable, and those who wander in the region of the many invariable
- 0:54are not philosophers, I must ask you which of the two classes should be
- 0:59the rulers of our state? And how can we rightly answer that question?
- 1:04Whichever of the two are best able to guard the laws and institutions of our
- 1:08state, let them be our guardians. Very good neither, I said,
- 1:15Can there be any question that the guardian who is to keep anything should have
- 1:21eyes rather than no eyes, There can be no question of that. And
- 1:26are not those who are verily and indeed wanting in the knowledge of the true
- 1:32being of each thing, and who have in their souls no clear pattern,
- 1:37and are unable, as with a painter's eye, to look at the absolute
- 1:41truth and to that original to repair, and having perfect vision of the other
- 1:47world, to order the laws about beauty, goodness, justice, and this
- 1:52if not already ordered, and to guard and preserve the order of them?
- 1:56Are not such persons, I ask, simply beloved Truly, he replied,
- 2:01they are much in that condition. And shall they be our guardians when there
- 2:07are others who, besides being their equals inexperience, and falling short of them
- 2:12in no particular virtue, also know the very truth of each thing. There
- 2:17can be no reason, he said, for rejecting those who have the greatest
- 2:22of all great qualities. They must always have the first place, unless they
- 2:27fall in some other respect. Suppose, then, I said that we determine
- 2:32how far they can unite this and the other excellencies by all means. In
- 2:38the first place, as we began by observing the nature of the philosopher,
- 2:44has to be ascertained we must come to an understanding about him. And when
- 2:47we have done so, then, if I am not mistaken, we shall
- 2:52also acknowledge that such an union of qualities is possible, and that those in
- 2:58whom they are united, and those only, should be rulers in the state.
- 3:01What do you mean? Let us suppose that philosophical minds always love knowledge
- 3:08of a sort which shows them the eternal nature, not varying from generation and
- 3:14corruption. Agreed. And further, I said, let us agree that they
- 3:20are lovers of all true being. There is no part, whether greater or
- 3:23less, or more or less honorable, which they are willing to renounce,
- 3:29as we said before, of the lover and the man with ambition true.
- 3:35And if they are to be what we were describing, is there not another
- 3:38quality which they should also possess? What quality? Truthfulness? They will never
- 3:46intentionally receive into their mind falsehood, which is their detestation, and they will
- 3:52love the truth. Yes, that may be safely affirmed to them, may
- 3:57be, my friend, I replied, is not the word say, rather
- 4:02must be affirmed. For he whose nature is amorous of anything cannot help loving
- 4:09all that belongs or is akin to the object of his affections, right,
- 4:14he said, And is there anything more akin to wisdom than truth? How
- 4:19can there be? Can the same nature be a lover of wisdom and a
- 4:25lover of falsehood? Never? The true lover of learning, then must from
- 4:30his earliest youth, as far as in him lies desire all truth assuredly.
- 4:38But then again, as we know by experience, he whose desires are strong
- 4:43in one direction will have them weaker in others. They will be like a
- 4:46stream which has been drawn off into another channel. True, he whose desires
- 4:53are drawn towards knowledge in every form, will be absorbed in the pleasures of
- 4:58the soul, and will hardly feel bodily pleasure. I mean, if he
- 5:02be a true philosopher and not a sham one. That is most certain,
- 5:09such a one is sure to be temperate, and the reverse of covetous,
- 5:13for the motives which make another man desirous of having and spending have no place
- 5:18in his character. Very true. Another criterion of the philosophical nature has also
- 5:26to be considered. What is that there should be no secret corner of illiberality.
- 5:32Nothing can be more antagonistic than meanness to a soul which is ever longing
- 5:39after the whole of things, both divine and human. Most true, he
- 5:45replied, Then, how can he who has magnificence of mind and is the
- 5:49spectator of all time and all existent think much of human life? He cannot?
- 5:57Or can such a one death fearful? No. Indeed, then the
- 6:03cowardly and mean nature has no part in true philosophy. Certainly not. Or
- 6:11again, can he who's harmoniously constituted, who is not covetous or mean,
- 6:16or a boaster or a coward? Can he, I say, ever,
- 6:20be unjust or hard in his dealings? Impossible? Then you will soon observe
- 6:27whether a man is just and gentle or rude and unsociable. These are the
- 6:31signs which distinguish, even in youth, the philosophical nature from the unphilosophical true.
- 6:40There is another point which should be remarked, What point whether he has
- 6:46or has not a pleasure in learning? For no one will love that which
- 6:49gives him pain, and in which, after much toil he makes little progress.
- 6:55Certainly not. And again, if he is forgetful and retains nothing of
- 7:00what he learns, will he not be an empty vessel? That is certain?
- 7:06Laboring in vain he must end in hating himself and his fruitless occupation.
- 7:13Yes, then a soul which forgets cannot be ranked among genuine philosophical natures.
- 7:18We must insist that the philosopher should have a good memory, certainly, and
- 7:26once more, the inharmonious and unseemly nature can only tend to disproportion, undoubtedly,
- 7:34And do you consider truth to be akin to proportion or to disproportion to
- 7:40proportion? Then, besides other qualities, we must try to find a naturally
- 7:46well proportioned and gracious mind, which move spontaneously towards the true being of everything.
- 7:55Certainly, well, and do not all these qualities which we have been
- 8:01enumerating go together? And are they not in a manner necessary to a soul
- 8:07which is to have a full and perfect participation of being? They are absolutely
- 8:13necessary, he replied, And must not that be a blameless study which he
- 8:18only can pursue who has the gift of a good memory and is quick to
- 8:24learn, noble, gracious, the friend of truth, justice, courage,
- 8:28temperance, Who are his kindred? The god of jealousy himself, he said,
- 8:35could find no fault with such a study. And to men like him,
- 8:39I said, when perfected by years and education, and to these only
- 8:45you will entrust the state. Here Idaemitus interposed and said, to these statements,
- 8:52Socrates, no one can offer a reply. But when you talk in
- 8:56this way, a strange feeling passes over the minds of your hearers. They
- 9:01fancy that they are let us stray a little at each step in the argument,
- 9:07owing to their own want of skill in asking and answering questions. These
- 9:13little accumulate, and at the end of the discussion they're found who have sustained
- 9:18a mighty overthrow, and all their former notions appear to be have turned upside
- 9:24down. And as unskillful players of drafts are shut up by their more skillful
- 9:30adversaries and have no piece to move, so they two find themselves shut up
- 9:35at last, for they have nothing to say in this new game, of
- 9:39which words are counters. And yet all the time they are in the right.
- 9:43The observation is suggested to me by what is now occurring. For any
- 9:50one of us might say that although in words he is not able to meet
- 9:54you at each step of the argument, he seems as a fact that the
- 9:58votaries of the lawlosophy, when they carry on the study, not only in
- 10:03youth as a part of education, but as the pursuit of their maturer years,
- 10:07most of them become strange monsters, not to say, utter rogues,
- 10:13And that those who may be considered the best of them are made useless to
- 10:16the world by the very study which you extol well. And do you think
- 10:22that those who say so are wrong? I cannot tell, he replied,
- 10:28But I should like to know what is your opinion here my answer, I
- 10:33am of opinion that they are quite right. Then how can you be justified
- 10:39in saying that cities will not cease from evil until philosophers rule in them,
- 10:45when philosophers are acknowledged by us to be of no use to them. You
- 10:50ask a question, I said, to which a reply can only be given
- 10:56in a parable. Yes, Socrates, and that is a way way of
- 11:00speaking to which you are not tall accustomed. I suppose I perceive, I
- 11:05said, that you are vastly amused at having plunged me into such a hopeless
- 11:11discussion. But now hear the parable, and then you will be still more
- 11:16amused at the meagerness of my imagination. For the manner in which the best
- 11:22man are treated in their own states is so grievous that no single thing on
- 11:26earth is comparable to it. And therefore if I am to plead their cause,
- 11:31I must have recourse to fiction. I'm put together a figure made up
- 11:37of many things, like the fabulous unions of goats and stags which are found
- 11:43in pictures. Imagine then, a fleet worship, in which there is a
- 11:48captain who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is
- 11:52a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of
- 11:58navigation is not much better. The sailors are quarreling with one another about the
- 12:03steering. Everyone is of opinion that he has a right to steer, though
- 12:07he has never learned the art of navigation, and cannot tell who taught him
- 12:11or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught,
- 12:16and they are ready to cut in pieces anyone who says the contrary. They
- 12:20throng about the captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them,
- 12:26And if at any time they do not prevail, but others are preferred
- 12:31to them, they kill the others or throw them overboard, And having first
- 12:37chained up the noble captain's senses with drink or some narcotic drug. They mutiny
- 12:43and take possession of the ship and make free with the stores. Thus eating
- 12:48and drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such manner as might be expected
- 12:54to them. He who is the partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot
- 12:58forgetting the ship out of the captain's hands into their own, whether by force
- 13:03or persuasion. They compliment with the name of sailor pilot able seaman, and
- 13:09abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good for nothing but
- 13:16that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons, and sky
- 13:20and stars and wind, and whatever else belongs to his art if he intends
- 13:26to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must
- 13:31and will be the steerer, Whether other people like or not. The possibility
- 13:35of this union of authority with the steerer's art has never seriously entered into their
- 13:41thoughts or been made part of their calling. Now, in vessels which are
- 13:46in a state of mutiny, and by sailors who are mutineers, how will
- 13:50the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a praicher,
- 13:56a stargazer, a good for nothing, of course, said Idamatus.
- 14:01Then you will hardly need, I said, to hear the interpretation of the
- 14:05figure which describes the true philosopher in his relation to the state, for you
- 14:11understand it already certainly. Then Suppose you now take this parable to the gentleman
- 14:18who is surprised at finding that philosophers have no honor in their cities. Explain
- 14:24it to him, and try to convince him that their having honor would be
- 14:28far more extraordinary. I will say to him that in deeming the best votaries
- 14:35of philosophy to be useless to the rest of the world, he is right.
- 14:39But also tell him to attribute their uselessness to the fault of those who
- 14:45will not use them, and not to themselves. The pilot should not humbly
- 14:50beg the sailors to be commanded by him. This is not the order of
- 14:54nature. Neither are the wise to go to the doors of the rich in
- 14:58the ingenious. All author of this saying told a lie. But the truth
- 15:03is that when a man is ill, whether he be rich or poor,
- 15:07to the physician he must go, and he who wants to be governed to
- 15:11him who is able to govern the ruler who is good for anything, ought
- 15:16not to beg his subjects to be ruled by him. Although the present governors
- 15:22of mankind are of a different stamp, they may be justly compared to the
- 15:26mutinous sailors, and the true helsman, to those who are called by them
- 15:31good for nothings and stargazers. Precisely so he said, for these reasons,
- 15:39and among men like these, philosophy, the noblest pursuit of all is not
- 15:45likely to be much esteemed by those of the opposite faction. Not that the
- 15:48greatest and most lasting injuries done to her by her opponents, but by her
- 15:54own professing followers, the same of whom you suppose, accuser to say that
- 16:00the greatest number of them are arrant rose, and the best are useless,
- 16:03in which opinion I agreed, Yes, And the reason why the good are
- 16:10useless has now been explained true. End of Book six, Part one,