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255. "A Safe Place" - The Case of Morgan Bauer - Newton County, Georgia - [Part 2] · Least of These

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to least of these where I cover the cases that need it most because every life matters and everyone deserves justice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Leah D and today I'll be bringing you part two of the case of Morgan Bowler in Newton County, Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another warning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This case is extremely graphic and violent in nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listener discretion is advised.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what that said, let's get right to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In February of 2016, 19-year-old Morgan Bower disappeared less than two weeks after moving from South Dakota to the Atlanta area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The couple she was last seen with, 19-year-old Caitlin Goble in her 26-year-old boyfriend Jonathan Alexander Warren, who went by Alex, told police all kinds of stories about what happened in the early morning hours of February 26.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In July of 2023, police descended on a property in Portodale, Georgia, about 30 miles southwest of Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the home of Warren's adoptive parents, Dr. Robert and Judith Warren.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Portodale police announced that new information had led them to search the house seven years after Morgan had vanished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They confirmed that they had found what they described as items of
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[SPEAKER_00]: What investigators had located were the remains of 19-year-old Morgan Bauer?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what hit finally led investigators to that home in Porterdale, because Alexander Alex Warren and Caitlin Goble were long gone by then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They left town all the way back in May of 2016 to go on their grand hitchhiking adventure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as we know, not long after that adventure started, in June the couple split up, Caitlin writing on Facebook, I'm hoping everything is going to be okay for denial,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is backpacking to Colorado with Kane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We broke up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If anyone sees him, help him out please.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not with him to take care of him and I'm already worried.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After the split, Caitlyn and Alex moved on with their lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The later court testimony would reveal that they had remained somewhat in contact over the years, but they were no longer living together as a couple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alex went his way in Caitlyn went hers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn Gobble got married, had a couple kids and ultimately moved back to her hometown of Peoria, Illinois.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Morgan's case remained unsolved, but her family had never given up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The missing Morgan Facebook page had been created and podcasts began covering her case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in 2019, according to Cortesta Moni, a man named Terry Philly entered the picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: UC Terry was a hobby filmmaker and actor living in Atlanta, and sometime in 2019 he came across Morgan's case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He listened to some podcasts and found the missing Morgan group, and he decided to start making a documentary about Morgan's missing person's case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He got in contact with Morgan's mom Sherry and her advocate Casey, went through some police files and started reaching out to the people who were last around Morgan before she disappeared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In July of 2019, Terry Filly contacted Caitlin Goval through Facebook Messenger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He told her that he was making a documentary about Morgan and asked if she would be willing to participate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Caitlyn will initially she fired back with an emphatic note.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She told Terry that he didn't have permission to use her name in any way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But only about an hour later, she sent another message, telling him to disregard that first response and that actually, he could contact her anytime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn said she wanted to clear her name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She told Terry that she met Morgan through work when Morgan came to a club she was working at and asked Caitlyn what it was like to be a dancer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went on to say that she didn't know where Morgan was now and that Morgan had other friends in Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn claimed she hadn't gotten the chance to hang out with Morgan much though she did sometimes give her rides and that they had been to a few raves together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now remember, Morgan had only been in Georgia a couple of weeks before she vanished, but I digress.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyhow, Caitlyn also told Terry that Morgan had never been to her house, though she had asked to stay at one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn also said that she believed Morgan had run away and didn't want to be found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was just one conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Terry Feely remains in contact with Caitlyn over a number of years as he looked into Morgan's disappearance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And over those years, Caitlyn Goble had a lot to say about how Morgan's mom Sherry had accused her of hurting Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She repeated one version of the story she'd already told multiple versions of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That she'd picked Morgan up at top of Gainesville, stopped by their house in Porterdale this time not to take showers but to pick up cigarettes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she and Alex had taken her to a gas station for the random Mr. Guide to pick her up and that Morgan had taken all of her belongings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went on to say that Morgan was supposed to get in contact with her, following morning, but she never did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When asked if she thought her now ex-boyfriend Alex Warren could have had anything to do with Morgan's disappearance, she said no, that he was weird but he would have never hurt Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that he never, never not once, had raised a hand to her during their relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she wanted Terry to know she wouldn't risk her own ass to protect anyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Took all of this into your hat, it's going to be important later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn told Terry that she had broken up with Alex because of his drug and alcohol problem, and she hadn't talked to him since they broke up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn gobble adamantly denied knowing what happened to Morgan and then asked Terry if he had ever heard of the West Memphis 3 case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Telling him, that was why she wasn't going to point fingers at anyone unless she knew that they had done it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn told Terry that she wish she had never met Morgan and that when she was located, when Morgan decided to show her face, she wanted to sue Morgan, but not only Morgan, she wanted to sue Morgan and her mom's showy for making her look bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn said again that Morgan had run away from her mother and that quote, my life is just as valuable as Morgan's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn then accused Sherry of knowing where Morgan was and told Sherry that when Morgan was located to quote, give Morgan an earful for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and she wasn't done there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went on to say she wanted Sherry to publicly apologize to her face, writing to Terry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It will be awesome that they all her crap sees the light of day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would so love to make her publicly apologize to my face for every accusation for all of her followers to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As Terry continued to work on the case, he began working with private investigator Ashley Durham, and that's when things really got interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As Terry Feeley continued to look into Morgan's disappearance, he added a private investigator to the team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her name was Ashley Durham, and the two were able to locate and contact Caitlyn Gobles soon to be ex-husband and father-of-her-children, David Settles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Katelyn and David were going through a divorce, and David Settles was willing to talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he, while he had a whole different story, David told Terry that Morgan was not missing, and he implied that Katelyn gobble knew what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On July 10, 2023, Terry clearly spoke with Katelyn gobble on the phone for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he bluft a little bit, okay, maybe a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he told Katelyn that he knew what had happened to Morgan, and that several people had
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[SPEAKER_00]: In Katelyn, well, color her shocked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would have imagined this is probably coming as a supply to direct it and it may not.
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[UNKNOWN]: But a number of individuals that come forward in is quite exactly what happens for more youth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: was involved, and that you were a partially involved self-built.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I understand what happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I guess you lost, like part of the reason I'm following you, is because this is catching up with you very soon here, and I kind of wanted to give you a head-up and like let you
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would be where I was involved, but we pretty much know everything that happened.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's for the most part, I mean, obviously we don't know what's back.
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[UNKNOWN]: The other thing that happened, but we talked to them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Before I did it, it ultimately all are confirming the effects.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not sure what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know my ex-husband come going through the board with his son to kind of implore me in some pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Katelyn's little, I'm just so surprised, charade, didn't last long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just minutes later, she acknowledged that she knew more about Morgan's disappearance than she'd previously let on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, can you tell me also?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I... Like, I probably already know, like...
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wanted to get rid of some luggage at one point that I thought was kind of weird that he wanted to get rid of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, where do you want to do this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You wanted to burn it in a fire pit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You said it was just old stuff that used to be on the house anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And where was that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was in the parents yard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like right behind the house door, like back into the woods.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Back into the woods.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With its far removed from the house door.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't too far.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like a short hike down into the edge of the world and you wanted to get rid of the luggage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't know what was in it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You just said it was true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He said it was something like old books and clothes and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't book it every year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Hina, but he said there were books in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How many can take the book with it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just one.
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[UNKNOWN]: All right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like how big, you know?
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, like the actual regular time?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like something that you would put in, like, over-empting on your printer, it's bigger than that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Something that wouldn't be a carry on, it would probably be like, you know, that you'd run through the, uh, whoever knows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, like the check-up bag or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: And do you know what do you ever go back to that burning pot?
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[UNKNOWN]: Again, you get rid of anything, or...
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's back to that burning pot or not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we had a couple more barn fires and not a pot afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but I didn't think anything of it at the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was theirs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You kind of wait for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll think one else there with you when he was, then he'd go find the criminal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was yours yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because it was just a fraud and property.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wanted us to go and put some code out with us there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: even when he comes back to what he was back to and take on part of this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And do you ever think?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I told you before, I worked a lot during that time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I listened exactly in the most, the best faith in modernism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how do you do that after working with the food?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think it's a relief.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'll be here a lot after she lived with the food.
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[UNKNOWN]: We serve, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, where he would have been keeping that
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who there's no one but I could think of that he would be keeping something like that that wouldn't have alerted his me or his parents.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean at the time, he was sleeping in the same room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was sleeping in the same room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was sleeping in the same room as that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where was that like in the elevator room or a way?
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[SPEAKER_03]: because it's the type of plantation home, I think it was like a help to bring us up things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, does that also pay more for all of these things?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, ma'am.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it turns to say that, sir.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it any type of tea disperringing that stuff?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With that date on my family, you guys took that date of disperringing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like in the evening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just starting to get darker, something?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just on the reason the bonfire didn't really trigger much in my mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlin told Terry that she had helped Alex get rid of old luggage, he claimed had old books inside a week after Morgan went missing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlin went on to say she couldn't believe Alex would involve her in something like that, and that she had always hoped he would just overdose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was story number, I don't even know what number we're on now, and this wouldn't be Caitlin's final story, not even close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This wouldn't even be the final story during this one phone call.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Terry urged Caitlyn to speak with police.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He told her he had a contact in Pioria she could talk to, and then he pressed her again about what she knew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once again, Caitlyn had a whole new story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This time she said Morgan had stayed with her in Alex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She claimed she knew Alex more and had murdered Morgan Bower, and that she knew what was inside the suitcase she had helped him burn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: we think it happened to you how that apart with a guy earlier in the day and then he came back to get ready to go to work and we're getting ready to need for work and then that's what happened and he never made it work that way and that comes about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you've been ready for work tonight but all right let's
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were the two that worked together, but we felt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, me and her were supposed to start working together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we were going to a two-new club under, you know, the idea that, hey, we might make a lot more money at this club.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And kind of getting that a bit more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we were supposed to work together, because we don't all really well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but then by the time I got off work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you got off work to give room to what?
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[UNKNOWN]: That's happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Alex, tell me what happened to work today.
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[UNKNOWN]: How did you get room?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been told a little bit about what happened, but I wasn't told a whole story.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What were you looking for?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What were you looking for?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What were you told that happened?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I told that she had some kind of freak out and it had, like, sort of kind of attacked her because she has no scratches on them and she has, you know, been living so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how did it happen?
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how it happened.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, did he hit her, did he fatter, or did he, like, look?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He said he had hit her, and he had touched, like, coming at him, so he had kind of put his hand on a neck and just push her backwards.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't believe them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What did you pick up?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I probably thought they would.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You thought you had that, but I thought you had children.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you wouldn't do something with them.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
19:12
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That would make more sense in my mind for this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I wanted him to, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: do some pain and you don't want to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And do you remember if she was bleeding or anything?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she wanted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's what I was told to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the back of her head might have been a load.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get her been bleeding all of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get a bump or something on the back of her head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: they don't see kids that you know if they're not on the bus to get you know I noticed really hard to talk about me do you know if he's like this number here in my from some thousand and I'm very other stuff with him like that I don't know exactly what he did I decided
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the boy's Ontario and all together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After seven long years, Caitlin Goblin admitted she knew Morgan had been murdered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She then told Terry she would go in and talk to police.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She also claimed she was afraid for her life and the lives of her children, saying Alex knew where she lived and he might come after her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Private investigator Ashley Durham also spoke with Caitlin that day, and when you know it, Caitlin revealed even more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She immediately told Ashley that she needed a lawyer and she wanted witness immunity for speaking about what had happened to Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Morgan had gone there for an audition, but learned that she couldn't work there because they had just up the age to 21.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Caitlyn was grandfathered in because she was already dancing at that club when the age limit changed, but Morgan had gotten there a little too late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn told Ashley that Morgan was sitting at the bar and she struck up a conversation with her, and realized she and Morgan had so much in common.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both had just moved down from up north and both were looking for something better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Katelyn told Ashley that she and Morgan got along really well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They exchanged numbers, but Katelyn didn't hear from Morgan for a while after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was until the other club Katelyn worked in Club T's, was looking for girls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Morgan came into audition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After the audition, Caitlyn told Morgan that she could come and crash with her in Alex.
21:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, after all, it was kind of a long drive back to where she was staying in Gainesville.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Caitlyn, the first night Morgan went with other friends, but the following night, she came to stay with her in Alex because something was going on at the motel she'd been staying at in Gainesville.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn claimed she left Morgan in Alex together at his parents house and went to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when she got home from work in the early morning hours of February 26, 2016, Alex met her outside.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, that gets you as hard to do.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I got home at night for early in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: to be biased on this part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so, can you say you got old, you got old by yourself?
22:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I was following up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was following through the shift at the time.
23:00
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I was using this as a strategy and back and forth from water, and I just didn't have like an hour, so like an hour of the team drive, back and forth from water.
23:13
[SPEAKER_03]: So no matter how much time I got home, I was pretty white.
23:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you say, I love you mean, houses, houses, houses, houses.
23:22
[SPEAKER_03]: You both get up so loud.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if I don't, I don't hear anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your phone has great voice cancellation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In the way, it's a total window, you know, like, each way comes high.
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[SPEAKER_03]: or I think he was more panicked so he might even have a pump at all like shut up and come and fire.
23:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean I thought maybe he is just kind of like the type that has a pump done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this happened when we were talking about this was Alex's and it was, is that what address did you have or which houses that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, don't you touch play?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember the address.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I said it, we did make you some weird address.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was some weird address.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you recognize the address of it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I recognize the address, but I recognize that house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some broad stuff, and all of us do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Big white house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like older, like older type house.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have.
24:31
[SPEAKER_03]: You really need to play a page that's all I'm about to do.
24:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, so you got home and he was already there and you haven't been working, you got home and then go to school.
24:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And you can leave to dinner tonight and he was up to 30, 50, and anxious, and like, nothing which seems like I ought to try.
25:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't really want to fight each other.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because I'm just like this all he's trying to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I can break there down in the family well.
25:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you know, so walking on all of this was just right for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you know, something I can't find.
25:36
[UNKNOWN]: And he was very into my thoughts about it.
25:39
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, you've been deaf, and it's a nice register properly.
25:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I'm going to put it around it.
25:51
[SPEAKER_03]: As everyone said about you, OK, are you mad on that hurt?
25:56
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're saying that she's like, you know, like that, just hope that person's deaf.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just out of frustration or are you
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like what?
26:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that plan has started being Panicking to abuse myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he brought me inside and she was running on a floor in our bedroom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More than a little before your bedroom.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he told me that she was pretty proud and
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when he was down and tell him that he was cheaper next to people in the house because of the panel, he had told her that, you know, she needs to kind of lay a little because he's not supposed to have other people over, and that she had a tag cam because he had stretch marks on his face, and then he had
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[SPEAKER_03]: I send it himself and hear her, but she kept pulling at him so he's done that he's sheltered.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And his story then feels right, right, because he was personally unjust and he just looked really bad.
27:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in use, so you just recognize like being scary, do you think that you, that it would have played out that way if she started to throw anything or attack him, would he, would he instantly like take care of that or would he let her, would he try to calm her down or like what's his character in the way?
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[SPEAKER_03]: She was a,
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you also, like, like, how do you know more than try?
28:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I only have a kind of role It's been like the golf in your kid, but it's more than like a half more than, or okay, that's a little weird more than.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
28:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And a huge more than try was, you're not always sure if you try a medium or a piece of joking.
28:34
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was like responses were also very unpredictable, like why would we unpredictable?
28:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I could never know if he was going to burst it off, or if he was going to be quiet, or wants to figure something out.
28:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And in this case, he was on the wrong way.
29:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And so can I put quiet by, I told him, we have to call an ambulance.
29:14
[SPEAKER_03]: So we have to do something because you might feel realized.
29:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew it was wrong, I knew I was wrong.
29:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew there was no way because of, yeah, that's the face that I have not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not had changed about me.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know what I mean?
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a pausing person.
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And how long do you think before, if you even, if you have any idea, but when you got home, do you think that this tip that this took place?
29:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but I know when I, because I just touch her, I went to catch her cold and she was cold and I went to try to lift her arms, and check her like ribs.
30:00
[SPEAKER_03]: the first thing I went to do is I checked her wrist and that her arm was set.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a woman moving.
30:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlin went on to say that Alex was standing over her and insinuated that if she told anyone what had happened, there would be two bodies.
30:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn, who had claimed to Terry Feeley that Alex never lifted a hand to her, now told Ashley that Alex was scary and she was afraid of him.
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: She had gone on that hitchhiking road trip to get back to her family and away from Alex Warren.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Never mind the fact that she took him with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was scared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was so afraid in fact that she helped him get rid of Morgan's body and that wasn't all.
30:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn gobble told Ashley that she had also disposed of Morgan's phone.
30:44
[SPEAKER_00]: She told the private investigator that she had taken Morgan's phone, pulled the battery out of it, and put it in a storm drain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To the best of her recollection, the day after the murder, which would have been February 27.
30:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Over a series of days, Caitlyn and Alex had gone out to the clearing in the backyard, and had, quote, bond fires where they burned Morgan's body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Caitlyn, Alex made jokes while Morgan's remains were being burned and even urinated on them.
31:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn also described to Ashley that Morgan had a metal retainer in her mouth that could probably still be found in the burn pit.
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Throughout all of her confession, Caitlyn goblerming calm, showed no emotion and recalled the story like she wasn't talking about a brutal murder and the desecration of her friends remains.
31:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And remember how Caitlyn previously told Terry Fealy that she hadn't seen Alex since the two of them had broken up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It turns out she had lied about that too.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn told Ashley that when she interacts husband were dating, they had gone out to California and just randomly bumped into Alex.
31:45
[SPEAKER_00]: She met Alex's new girlfriend and she claimed Alex was so strong out on drugs, he had bought he slammed his new girlfriend in front of everyone on Venice Beach.
31:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And while she was there hanging out with Alex and his new flame, Alex mentioned Morgan and a joking manner in front of her and the new girlfriend, like he was bragging about it and wanted people to know what he had done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn Goble claimed Alex was dangerous and that he was responsible for Morgan's murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was all Alex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and she'd only got along with it because she was afraid of she didn't, he killed her too.
32:16
[SPEAKER_00]: If you let Caitlyn tell the story, she was a victim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that is if you believed her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Terry Feli and Ashley Durham contacted police, and it wasn't long before Caitlyn gobble walked into her local police department in Peoria to tell yet another version of the story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was July 11, 2023, the day after the phone calls with Terry and Ashley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn sat down with Peoria police detectives, got holes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She began by explaining how she had met Alex Warren in the first place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After being dropped from Army Basic Training, Caitlyn had met Alex Warren on Facebook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Caitlyn, he talked her in a moving with him to Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when she got there, Alex wasn't working and living in an RV with another one of his friends who also wasn't working.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyhow, Alex then taught Caitlyn into stripping because they needed to pay a lot rent at the RV park, but she could make enough money so they left and wound up staying with Alex's parents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went on to repeat the story about meeting Morgan at club Cabernet, exchanging numbers, messaging over a couple of weeks, and setting up the audition at club T's.
33:41
[SPEAKER_00]: After the audition, Caitlyn claimed she and Alex brought Morgan back to her motel in Gainesville, then there was that problem with the motel and Caitlyn offered for Morgan to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Morgan went to Alex Warren's parents house either late at night on the night of the 24th or February 25th and the early morning hours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything was fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn went to work the night of February 25th but Morgan stated the house instead of friend was coming to get her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlin claimed she worked her shift and got back to the house in the early morning hours of February 26, sometime between two and four, and at that point, Alex was out in the driveway pacing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She told police that he had been violent in the past and she was afraid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He told her to be quiet and to come inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went inside and saw Morgan lying on the floor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She couldn't find a pulse and told Alex they needed to get help.
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[SPEAKER_03]: start telling them that we need to call an ambulance.
34:40
[SPEAKER_03]: We need to call somebody something needs to happen.
34:43
[SPEAKER_03]: And like I'm still trying to wake her up.
34:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And he tells me well.
34:56
[SPEAKER_03]: She's sort of crazy and she chooses attacking me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I
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[SPEAKER_03]: and the head to make her go away and she just kept attacking me so I put my hand on her throat and then she just died.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he didn't want to call anybody.
35:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And at that time, like when I was telling him, you know, we need to call somebody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We need to get an ambulance and get her help.
35:22
[SPEAKER_03]: He was starting to lean over me because he was standing behind me.
35:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And he said,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to take care of this and you just shut up.
35:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I did, I stood up, and I started kind of pacing through the room, and then I looked at it and I was like, I'm not having anything to do with this, and I walked out of the room.
35:48
[SPEAKER_03]: After that, I went over to the kitchen, and his mom was already up and she was
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn claimed she had just witnessed Morgan lifeless on the floor, and she simply walked out of the room and sat down for coffee with Alex Warren's mom.
36:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a stupid story, but she stuck to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, at least for that day.
36:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Katelyn went on to add that she herself had disposed of Morgan's phone dropping it off in a storm drain near a little 5-point shopping center in a neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She marked on a map of the Warren's property, exactly where the burn pit was located.
36:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Katelyn also added in the story about bumping into Alex and then his beach, and this time she said that Alex had reached out to her again when her daughter was born around 2018.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time Katelyn told the story, she added more to it.
36:42
[SPEAKER_00]: and as evidence was uncovered, this story would be far from the final one she told.
36:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, this first interview as well as the information from Ashley and Terry prompted a search of Alex Warren's parents' house.
36:54
[SPEAKER_00]: to say the warrants were blindsided would be an understatement.
36:58
[SPEAKER_00]: As we kind of talked about a little last episode, Alex Warren's parents were upstanding citizens who had adopted him as a baby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His father was a doctor and his mom jute at the nurse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The home was a sprawling plantation home that was beautifully crafted and furnished with antiques, a study full of books and a beautiful yard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alex was staying in a small bedroom with a bathroom and a separate entrance from the main house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the kind of place anyone would have suspected of gruesome and brutal murder had taken place, especially the warrants themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were shocked but 100% cooperative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And during that first search, Morgan's remains were located in a burn pit in the back of the property.
37:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Morgan's missing person's flyer was also located in a desk inside the home.
37:45
[SPEAKER_00]: After all these years, it was still there.
37:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Two weeks later, Caitlyn Global was brought in for yet another interview.
37:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Investigators from Georgia were also present this time.
37:55
[SPEAKER_00]: She went through the whole story again, adding this time that after the audition at T's, Alex was making comments about how pretty Morgan was.
38:03
[SPEAKER_00]: She repeated the whole she went to work and came home and Alex was in the driveway and she wanted to call for help, but he won the lower.
38:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But this time, she openly admitted that she knew Morgan's body was in the suitcase, although she didn't know how it had gotten there.
38:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And that the suitcase was in the small, and when I say small, I do mean small.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was in the small bedroom she shared with Alex.
38:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlin also admitted she knew they were burning a body because of the smell and that Alex joked about bringing s'mores and a tattoo on Morgan's body.
38:33
[SPEAKER_00]: She described seeing Morgan's retainer in the rubble after the fire and said she had no memory of Morgan being dismembered or placed in the suitcase.
38:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she made some comments that sent chills down the spines of investigators.
38:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn told detectives that after Morgan was murdered, Alex had made comments about Necrophilia, that being sexual activity involving a deceased person.
38:55
[SPEAKER_00]: She also said that Alex was into bloodletting and choking.
39:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And you don't get me wrong, that's something I'm still into just last next.
39:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a question, and I'm curious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't love me.
39:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'm going to give you guys a little spot on this one because Porto and I understand on her list, very, very Christian back and stuff.
39:54
[SPEAKER_03]: He was not the one into, like, any kind of witchcraft or anything like that, nothing to say.
40:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he liked, juggle up music, he liked, you know,
40:10
[SPEAKER_03]: He liked aggressive stuff, but he wasn't smart enough to get into it.
40:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, I'm not sure if you're not gonna get it.
40:21
[SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't smart enough to get into anything other than the maximum I could see him having guy into at some point in time, or was the, like, double or even.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't believe in Satan's real thing.
40:38
[SPEAKER_03]: and he had in his own buildings and stuff.
40:41
[SPEAKER_03]: But standard, which craft or standard thing that's on that kind of stuff, like Antelpa Vene, those things, and I don't want to be involved in a Western history.
40:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I just was curious within that those radio things were the best thing to do.
41:04
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was the one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Crystal Earl, you know, kind of, I'm going to hold this for that, which he person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn said she herself was into choking, but not the bloodletting.
41:17
[SPEAKER_00]: She claimed Alex was too stupid to practice witchcraft, and she didn't want to get too far into it because she didn't want the case to become anything like the West Memphis 3.
41:25
[SPEAKER_00]: She keeps bringing up the West Memphis 3, doesn't she?
41:29
[SPEAKER_00]: What Caitlyn would go on to describe to investigators after she'd finally spent a little time in jail was more demented than anyone sitting in that interview room that day could imagine, and we'll get there.
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But first, at one point one of the female investigators from Georgia went into a room for a smoke break with Caitlyn, the cameras were still rolling.
41:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn laughed and giggled as she talked about using her infamy to write a book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She made jokes about actual skeletons in her closet and how she was haunted by more again.
41:59
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're not just making your audio to use it, then you can make your recordings to write a slow-brace book to give you what you did all that kind of helps in the audio.
42:20
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, felt through their closet and they get a great out of the things, you know, because none of this is perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all understand the things.
42:28
[SPEAKER_03]: We have one that's aren't quite, you know, skeletonized.
42:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about these.
42:35
[SPEAKER_03]: There's one bigger in the closet than our skeletons.
42:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I know everybody has things that happen.
42:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's never such a baby.
42:43
[SPEAKER_01]: What was she like?
42:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Other than trusting more she might.
42:49
[SPEAKER_03]: She was really sweet, she was like, she was who I wanted to be, like it.
43:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Rainbowy, which she came in, she was, you know, just her smile is lighting up everything and she, you know, will obviously have a problem because of the way she talked about her family, but
43:15
[SPEAKER_03]: At the same time, the way that she just would kind of, I know she pushed it down and pushed it back, and she didn't want to talk about any other in a good light, but she still acted and interacted with people in a way that she's going to make all that thoughts go away for a little bit.
43:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're just going to focus on the present.
43:42
[SPEAKER_03]: She's a very present person.
43:44
[SPEAKER_03]: She never left herself like she, the couple of times we interacted, if I was ever with drawn into the past, which we happened a lot, she would, you know, be like, hey, let's go do this.
44:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, stay up like, stay with me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go and broke this act, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: pulling me out from where I was into them and I wanted to emulate that and at the same time I also was scared for her because I was like you she she trusted people so she expected she saw the good and people and I couldn't
44:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Morgan Bauer was everything, Caitlyn could never be.
44:35
[SPEAKER_00]: She was nothing but kind.
44:37
[SPEAKER_00]: She saw the good and people, even people like Caitlyn gobble and Alex Warren.
45:04
[SPEAKER_00]: In her second interview with Investigators, Katelyn Goble revealed that there was evidence stashed away in an air conditioning vent and the bedroom she and Alex shared in the Warrens home.
45:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Investigators went back for a second search and located some of Morgan's jewelry stopped way down in the vent.
45:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Katelyn Goble was booked in the Peoria County Jail on charges of concealing a death and tampering with evidence.
45:26
[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, police were learning more and more about Katelyn's movements and the hours before and after the murder, and they discovered that surprise surprise Katelyn was lying.
45:37
[SPEAKER_00]: According to court testimony, cell phone evidence proved she wasn't at work when Morgan was killed, instead the evidence placed her at the house in the bedroom with Alex Warren.
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Investigators went to the Peoria County jail for yet another interview.
45:51
[SPEAKER_00]: for the first time Caitlyn broke down crying, not for Morgan, but for herself.
45:57
[SPEAKER_00]: She sobbed as she started complaining about the holding cell she had been held in and how cold and uncomfortable it was.
46:03
[SPEAKER_00]: She wind and cried and carried on begging to get out of that holding cell.
46:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But investigators weren't there to listen to her laundry list of complaints.
46:11
[SPEAKER_00]: They were there to confront her with the cellful evidence proving that she was lying.
46:20
[SPEAKER_00]: This time she told police that they were all at the house.
46:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex was trying to get Morgan to drink alcohol and to engage in sex with both Heming Katelyn.
46:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Katelyn went into the kitchen to fix herself some food.
46:31
[SPEAKER_00]: When she came back into the bedroom, Morgan was on the floor, and Alex was on top of her.
46:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Morgan's clothes were pulled down as if Alex was trying to sexually assault her.
46:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn said she could hear Morgan gasping for air and Morgan was making choking noises.
46:45
[SPEAKER_00]: She claimed that Morgan looked at her and she panicked and went back into the kitchen.
46:50
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't go get help.
46:52
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't even try to get help.
46:53
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't call 911.
46:55
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't go and get Alex's parents.
46:57
[SPEAKER_00]: She left the room and when she got back in our later, Morgan was dead.
47:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlin then went on to describe how she had helped Alex Warren this member Morgan's body.
47:07
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no easy way to say what happened next, so I'm just going to say it in the most respectful way I can, but I've got to warn you again.
47:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's disturbing and beyond all comprehension.
47:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Katelyn Gobal told investigators that Alex told her to go get knives, and he forced her to hold onto parts of Morgan's body as he dismembered her.
47:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Her body was placed in the small bathroom inside their bedroom.
47:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Morgan remained in that bathtub for days, and Alex Warren continued to sexually assault her even after her death.
47:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Katelyn Gobal claimed that he forced her to watch, and after he would violate Morgan.
47:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He would come over to her and demand that she did sexual things with him.
47:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet again, she did nothing.
47:48
[SPEAKER_00]: She told no one, and instead she got rid of Morgan's phone, but not before calling it first to make it look like she was trying to get in touch with Morgan.
47:56
[SPEAKER_00]: She did all of this because Alex forced her to.
47:59
[SPEAKER_00]: She was so scared of the man she told Terri Fili had never raised a hand to her.
48:03
[SPEAKER_00]: She remained with him for months until they made it to Pioria and she was safe.
48:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn Goble was in custody in Pioria, initially charged with only concealing a death and tampering with evidence.
48:18
[SPEAKER_00]: By October of 2023, Alex Morne was located and taken into custody in Los Angeles, California.
48:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Both were extradited to Georgia and indicted the following month in November on murder charges.
48:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And Alex Morne?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he had a whole other story to tell, one that sounded nothing like Caitlyn Gobbles.
48:37
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a story for next week, because unfortunately, we're running out of time and there is so much more to this story.
48:43
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49:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening.
49:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for caring.
49:15
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know something, say something.
50:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just say it that she just absolutely discuss me, everything about her discuss me, everything about Alex more and discuss me and I don't want to get too far into the weeds because what we're going to talk about next week, if you still believe Caitlyn, go back after that.
50:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I got some ocean from property and Arizona to sell you.
50:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
50:20
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a liar.
50:21
[SPEAKER_00]: She drug Morgan's name through the mud.
50:25
[SPEAKER_00]: She drug Sherry Morgan's mother, drug her through the mud.
50:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are some people who you really got to look hard to find a redeeming quality and I've looked time low and I see none.
50:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I see I see nothing.
50:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to tell you and I really I don't have much to say that could probably air.
50:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I do before we get off do want to apologize for miss and last week my son has been having some stomach issues that we are.
50:55
[SPEAKER_00]: currently getting resolved.
50:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've been working on that in between appointments and all the things I just couldn't get this episode out.
51:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're into our best to let them in this one's out and then next week.
51:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I kind of can't wait to come back and talk to you after we've gone through everything.
51:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think we need to take a moment after hearing all that, you know, I-
51:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I really struggle with how much to put in and because of the graphic nature of what happened to Morgan, what was done to Morgan and just happened to Morgan.
51:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I did struggle with what we should put in, but I think to understand exactly how evil this was and why these people deserve to never see the light of day.
51:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you agree with if you're a supporter of the death penalty, I mean, you know.
51:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's unfair to Morgan to not tell the entire story and so that the world never forgets what they did because what they did was awful and horrific.
51:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I did however, not put Caitlin's words in her interviews of what she said about what was done to Morgan because the way that she discussed it was so callous and disgusting to me that I just couldn't do it so you can go look that up it's on long crime cover the whole trial so you can find anything that you want to find all of the testimonies there and it should be linked in the show notes.
52:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But I got a warning, it made me sick to my stomach and there, you know, I've been doing this for a while, there are not a lot of things that get to me, I mean things get to me, but there is not a lot of things that actually make me physically ill to my stomach and this case did.
52:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And mostly because of Caitlyn, the way she discussed it, you know, I just they're there ain't there ain't nothing you can say about our besides she's evil and disgusting and she deserves to never see the light of day again.
52:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's about all I have to say about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You all know, I love you more in my luggage and I can't wait to talk to you and I can't wait to talk to you next week, but until then, Bob, who thing.