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The Crash’s Mackenzie Shirilla Denied Appeal of Murder Conviction · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Picture a black Toyota Camra, right, and it's traveling at
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  nearly one hundred miles per hour. It is just hurtling
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  down this dark, industrial, dead end street. It doesn't slow down,
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  it doesn't swerve to avoid anything. It just slams directly
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  into a solid commercial brick.
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  Speaker 2: Wall and with just I mean apocalyptic force exactly.
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  Speaker 1: The force is so catastrophic that the vehicle is literally
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  split into two distinct pieces. Two young men in that
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  car die instantly. The driver, though, she survives.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a miracle in itself honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But then you are immediately faced with this really
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  chilling binary question. Was this a tragic, unavoidable medical blackout,
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  you know that left a teenager entirely helpless at the wheel.
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  Speaker 2: Or was it a calculated, cold blooded murder like using
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  a three thousand pound machine as the weapon?
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  Speaker 1: Right, Welcome to the deep dive today. We're asking you
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  to step into the wreckage of one of the most
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  polarizing and frankly forensic heavy legal battles of the modern era.
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  Speaker 2: It really forces us to confront this terrifying intersection. I mean,
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  we have the absolute mathematical certainty of vehicular physics colliding
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  head on with the completely invisible subjective reality of the
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  human body and mind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild. We are basically trying to determine intent
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  in a fraction of a second.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and the way the justice system attempted to answer
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  this question reveals some profound truths about how evidence functions today.
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  Speaker 1: So the foundation for our journey today is this massively comprehensive,
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  meticulously detailed article. It's titled Hell on Wheels, The Trial
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  and Appeal of Mackenzie Shirilla.
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  Speaker 2: And we have a ton of ground to cover based
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  on this source material.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we are going to track the entire devastating
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  arc of this case from the horrific crash in July
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  of twenty twenty two, through the grueling forensic investigation right
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  into this highly publicized.
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  Speaker 2: Bench trial, and of course all the way to the
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  massive cultural footprint left by the Netflix documentary in May
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  twenty twenty six the crash.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get into that, and then we will conclude
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  with the Ohio Supreme Court's definitive final ruling on June
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  twenty three to twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: Because the mission here really is to aggressively cut through
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  all that true crime sensationalism.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because the media circus surrounding this case often completely
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  obscure the mechanical and legal reality it did.
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  Speaker 2: So we need to meticulously unpack the raw facts. That
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  means walking you through the cold data pulled from the
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  car's engine computer the black box, exactly, dissecting the incredibly
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  volatile relationship history that served as the backdrop for all
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  of this, and unraveling the intricate and sometimes really frustrating
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  legal mechanisms that determine the outcome.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but before you can even begin to visualize the
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  physics of a ninety seven point eight miles per hour impact,
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  you have to understand the social and emotional landscape of
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  the teenagers inside that car, right.
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  Speaker 2: Because without the human context, this is just a horrifying
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  pile of twisted metal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, we have to star with the highlight reel
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  versus the reality.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's set the scene.
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  Speaker 1: So at the center of this tragedy is Mackenzie Shirolla.
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  She was born August two, two thousand and four, and
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  she grew up in Strongsville, Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: And for those unfamiliar, Strongsville is a relatively affluent suburb
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  of Cleveland, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Outwardly, if you looked at her digital footprint during her
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  teenage years, she projected a very specific, highly curated facade.
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  She was an aspiring influencer, right.
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  Speaker 2: Her social media presence was super glamorous.
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  Speaker 1: Totally photos in bikinis, out with friends, constantly posing with
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  her boyfriend. It looked like the quintessential, idealized, almost cinematic
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  American teenage experience.
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  Speaker 2: And that curation is a vital starting point, right, because
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  it establishes an expectation of normalcy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Social media is essentially a public relations campaign for a
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  teenager's life. It is the highlight reel, right, And the
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  danger of a flawless highlight reel is that it completely
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  masks the structural integrity of the life being lived off camera.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. The co star of that flawless
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  highlight reel was Dominic Crusoe. Everyone called him Dom.
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  Speaker 2: He was twenty years old at the time of the crash.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, McKenzie and Dom were a high profile duo in
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  their community. They started dating when she was just a
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  freshman in high school, around fourty or fifteen years old.
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  Speaker 2: So they had been together for roughly four years at that.
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  Speaker 1: Point, right, And I also really want to introduce the
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  third person in the car that night, Davian Flanagan.
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  Speaker 2: He was nineteen and Davian was a close friend of Dom's.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a young guy with real plans. He was aspiring
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  to attend barber school. His presence in this story is
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  just it's undeniably heartbreaking, it really is.
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  Speaker 2: Every account indicates he was simply along for the ride.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. There had been a sleepover, some graduation related gatherings,
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  and he was just sitting in the back seat. He
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  had absolutely zero part in the deep underlying drama between
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  Mackenzie and Dom.
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  Speaker 2: Davian's inclusion in this narrative is I mean, it's the
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  definition of collateral damage. Yeah, he was caught in the
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  gravitational pull of a toxic DNY he had nothing to
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  do with. It really underscores how isolated interpersonal volatility rarely
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  stays contained.
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  Speaker 1: It spills over.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, it frequently spills over, bringing innocent bystanders right into
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  the blast radius.
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  Speaker 1: So let's focus on that blast radius and the dynamic
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  between Mackenzie and Don. We mentioned the social media perfection.
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  Think about their relationship like a badly constructed house. You
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  look at it from the street, you know, the Instagram feed,
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  and it has a beautiful, flawless coat of paint.
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  Speaker 2: But if you take a crowbar to the dry wall, yeah, exactly,
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  you find the structural beams are completely rotted out from
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  the inside.
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  Speaker 1: This is a four year relationship marked by an intense,
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  almost suffocating closeness. They actually lived together for much of
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  that time at Don's family home.
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  Speaker 2: But the reality, as described by friends and family, was
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  incredibly turbulent. We are talking about a constantly on again,
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  off again.
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  Speaker 1: Cycle, dramatic breakups followed by intense reconciliations.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how the digital footprints recovered during
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  the investigation completely recontextualize our understanding of their private lives.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Because usually you need witnesses for that exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Historically, prosecutors trying to establish a pattern of emotional manipulation
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  had to rely on witness testimony. They needed a neighbor
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  who heard shouting or a friend who noticed a bruise.
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  Speaker 1: But now we have phones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, today, our smartphones act as silent, incredibly detailed witnesses
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  to our deepest emotional states. The prosecutors were able to
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  take the stark dichotomy between the public posts and the
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  private eye messages to paint a documented chronological picture of control.
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  Speaker 1: And those text messages pulled from their phones, they are chilling.
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  This wasn't typical teenage bickering over like who forgot to
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  text back?
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  Speaker 2: No, the source material details deep issues of jealousy and control.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mackenzie was allegedly issuing severe warnings. She used phrases
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  like watch your back and explicitly told Dom it was
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  my way or the highway.
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  Speaker 2: And those threats were sitting right alongside messages expressing deep
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  love and despair.
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  Speaker 1: Which is so confusing Dom's own family, specifically, as sister
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  Kristin Russo later described Mackenzie as possessive and abusive, they.
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  Speaker 2: Pointed to distinct patterns where Dom was being isolated from
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  his support system, facing emotional manipulation and even physical altercations.
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  We really need to look closely at the phenomenon of
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  intimate partner violence, specifically in adolescents, because it rarely materializes
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  out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: The warning signs are usually there, right.
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  Speaker 2: Almost always isolation, physical fights, extreme possessiveness. But what makes
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  adolescent abuse dynamics so insidious and so difficult to intervene
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  in is that they often mask themselves as intense love.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to a teenager whose brain is still developing its
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  risk assessment centers, jealousy is frequently misinterpreted as someone caring deeply.
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  Extreme control is viewed as devotion.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: The teenagers themselves off and do not recognize the mortal
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  danger therein until the escalation reaches a critical point.
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  Speaker 1: I just find myself wondering how the adults in the
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  room miss this. Yeah, I mean, if they're living in
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  Dom's family home, how do these massive red flags go
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  unaddressed until it's too late.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when you're dealing with teenagers, parents might just write
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  it off as heightened adolescent drama.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose so. But the problem is it escalated
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  far beyond drama. Well before the fatal night.
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  Speaker 2: Right, there was a very specific incident.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the source material notes this terrifying prior incident. A
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  friend of Dom's mother reported that Mackenzie had previously threatened
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  to crash a car while.
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  Speaker 2: Dom was in it, which is a massive escalation.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So you move from text messages saying watch you're
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  back to a literal, spoken threat to use a vehicle
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  as a lethal weapon against him.
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  Speaker 2: And that specific prior threat becomes the foundational structural beam
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  for the prosecution's entire narrative.
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  Speaker 1: This show's intent exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It elevates the relationship from toxic to so premeditatedly dangerous.
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  It establishes a precedent that, in her mind a car
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  was not merely a mode of transportation.
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  Speaker 1: It was a weapon.
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  Speaker 2: It was a potential instrument of harm, a tool that
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  could be leveraged in a moment of conflict.
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  Speaker 1: Well, those ominous text messages and that prior threat ceased
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  to be just words. In the early morning hours of
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  July thirty first, twenty twenty two. They morphed into a
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  horrific physical reality.
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  Speaker 2: Let's look at the timeline.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is around five point thirty in the morning.
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  By all accounts, they were leaving what friends described as
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  a completely normal sleepover.
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  Speaker 2: Right. There was no apparent tension that night, none.
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  Speaker 1: No big blowout fight witnessed by everyone at the party.
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  It seemed like a calm end to the evening. Mackenzie
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  is driving her black Toyota camery Dom is in the
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  front passenger seat, Davion is in.
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  Speaker 2: The back, and they were driving through Strongsville, right.
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  Speaker 1: And the absence of an immediate inciting argument at the
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  sleepover is a critical piece of the puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: It really is, because it forces investigators to rely almost
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  entirely on the surveillance video and the crash construction data
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  to understand what happened next, rather than, you know, witness
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  testimony of their mood.
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  Speaker 1: So the car turns onto progress drive. This is an
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  industrial dead end street.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a shortcut.
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  Speaker 1: No, it is not a thoroughfare you used to get
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  from point A to point B. And this brings us
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  to the event data recorder, the EDR. We casually call
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  it the black box. Right. The story this computer tells
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  is just breathtaking in its violence. The car accelerates. The
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  EDR shows the accelerator pedal was pressed one hundred percent
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  of a floor in the seconds before impact.
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  Speaker 2: The pedal is physically bottomed out.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the car reaches a peak speed of nearly one
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  hundred miles per hour, averaging ninety seven point eight miles
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  per hour. In those final moments, it blows completely through
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  a stop sign and slams directly into the brick wall
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  of commercial building.
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  Speaker 2: And to really understand the weight of this evidence. You
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  have to understand how an EDR functions mechanically.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, break that down for us.
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  Speaker 2: So, an event data recorder is not recording a continuous
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  video of a drive. It is a computer module constantly
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  monitoring the vehicle systems speed, engine RPM, steering angle, brake application,
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  throttle position, just capturing numbers exactly. It holds a few
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  seconds of this data in a continuous loop. When it
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  senses a sudden deceleration or a deployment of the air bags,
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  a triggering event, it locks that loop of data into
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  its permanent memory. Oh wow, yeah, it gives investigators a
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  microscopic millisecond by millisecond. Look at the physical inputs the
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  driver was giving the machine and the data here is
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  unequivocal zero.
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  Speaker 1: Braking, zero braking. The brake pedal was never touched, not
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  a tap, not a hesitant deceleration, And this steering inputs
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  are frantic. The black box recorded the steering wheel moving
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  to the right, then to the left, and then a
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  hard right in the very final moments before the collision.
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  Speaker 2: And then there is a bizarre mechanical detail buried in
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  the data, the gear shift. Right during this high speed trajectory,
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  there is a brief gear shift. The car is shifted
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  from drive into neutral and then immediately back into drive.
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  Speaker 1: And the prosecution looked at that specific sequence, the drive
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  to neutral to drive shift combined with the erratic steering,
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  and suggested a horrifying scenario.
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  Speaker 2: They did. They posited that the passengers, realizing they were
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  hurtling toward a wall at one hundred miles an hour,
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  may have been frantically fighting for control of the vehicle
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  inside the cabin in those final seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, let me play Devil's advocate here. Sure, put
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  yourself in the physics of a car going nearly one
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  hundred miles an hour is chaotic, the g forces are immense.
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  Could that gear shift from drive to neutral just be
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  a physical flail?
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  Speaker 2: How do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like if someone is passing out or having a medical
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  episode and their arm just wildly hits the center console
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  as they slump over, That could easily knock the shifter
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  into neutral without it being a conscious, deliberate fight for
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  the steering wheel.
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  Speaker 2: Right, It's a fair question. A single anomalous gear shift
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  in a high speed environment absolutely could be an accident
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  or a flail. Okay, vents teams frequently argue that isolated
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  data points in a crash are the result of involuntary
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  physical movements. However, investigators do not look at data points
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  in isolation.
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  Speaker 1: You have to look at the whole picture exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You have to synthesize the gearshift with the throttle data.
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  Holding a pedal completely to the floor at one hundred
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  percent capacity requires sustained, deliberate downward physical pressure.
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  Speaker 1: But wait, let me push back on that too. If
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  she fainted, if she genuinely blacked out, her body goes limp.
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  Couldn't the dead weight of her leg just drop heavily
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  onto the accelerator, naturally pinning it to the floor.
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  Speaker 2: It is a really common question, but biomechanically it rarely.
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  Speaker 1: Works that way. Really, why not when a person.
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  Speaker 2: Loses consciousness, their muscles lose tone. A leg might rest
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  on a pedal, but maintaining one hundred percent throttle pressure
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  against the mechanical resistance of the pedal spring while enduring
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  the violent vibrations of a car traveling one hundred miles
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  per hour. It strongly implies active muscle engagement, not dead weight.
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  Oh I see furthermore, a limp body does not execute
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  a right left and hard right steering sequence. An unconscious
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  driver tends to drift. Active sharp steering inputs indicate someone
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  is manipulating the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: But the most devastating rebuttal to the fainting dead weight
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  theory isn't even in the EDER data. It was uncovered
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  later in the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you're talking about the GPS data exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators pulled GPS location data proving in that Mackenzie had
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  driven down this exact isolated industrial dead end street days earlier.
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  Speaker 1: She had scouted it.
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  Speaker 2: She had scouted the location. When you synthesize the sustained acceleration,
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  the active steering, the lack of breaking, and the prior
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  scouting of the specific crash site, the physical evidence overwhelmingly
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  overrides the theory of an involuntary medical flail.
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  Speaker 1: It paints a deeply disturbing picture of purposeful action. It
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  really does, and the aftermath of the impact is hard
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  to even fathom. The violence of that kinetic energy transfer
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  is apocalyptic for a passenger vehicle. As we mentioned, Dom
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  Russo and Davian Flannagan died instantly.
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  Speaker 2: It's just devastating.
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  Speaker 1: Mackenzie Shrilla astonishingly survived, but her injuries were catastrophic. She
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  suffered a broken femur, broken ribs, lacerated internal organs, and
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  severe neck trauma.
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  Speaker 2: And then the immediate aftermass investigators had to rigorously rule
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  out any other mitigating factors.
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  Speaker 1: Right, they executed a standard comprehensive forensic protocol. First, they
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  look at the biology of the driver. They ran a
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  toxicology screen and what did they find. Well, there was
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  THHC found a Mackenzie system, but crucially no alcohol and
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  no psilocybin. The source material notes that mushrooms and a
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  digital scale were actually found inside the car at the crash.
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  Speaker 2: Scene, which adds a very strange layer to the environment
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  they were in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does, but it wasn't in her blood. Next,
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  they rigorously tested the mechanical systems of the Toyota Camra.
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  The car was functioning perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: So no mechanical excuse exactly.
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  Speaker 1: There was no stuck throttle, the brakes hadn't failed, there
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  was no blown tire. The miss she executed the commands.
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  Speaker 2: It was given flawlessly, which leaves the defense attorney in
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  an incredibly precarious position. You have a fully functioning car,
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  you have an unimpaired driver at least not impaired by
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  alcohol or ellucinogens. Right, and you have physical computer data
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  demanding an explanation. You cannot argue with the computer. You
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  cannot say the car malfunctions.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you do?
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  Speaker 2: Therefore, you are backed into a corner where you must
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  attack the conscious intent of the driver.
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  Speaker 1: And they found their shield in a pre existing medical chart.
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  This brings us to the blackout defense.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Mackenzie's claim from the moment she awoke in the hospital
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  to find her life shattered is that she has absolutely
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  no memory of the moments leading up to the crash.
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  She maintains she did not do this on purpose, that
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  it was a catastrophic medical emergency.
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  Speaker 2: And the foundation for this defense is a document in
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  medical condition called POTS POTS. Yes, that stands for Postural
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  orthostatic techycardia syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: Let's actually break down what that means, because it's central
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  to the entire case. POTS is a condition involving autonomic
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  nervous system dysfunction.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the system that runs in the background exactly.
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  Speaker 1: The autonomic nervous system controls the things your body does
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  without you thinking about it, like your heart rate and
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  blood pressure. For someone with POTS, their body struggles to
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  coordinate the vascular system, so.
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  Speaker 2: When they stand up or change positions, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Their blood vessels don't constrict properly. Blood pools in the
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  lower body to compensate. The heart rate skyrockets. That's the attachycardia.
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  The brain gets deprived of oxygen, leading to severe dizziness, lightheadedness,
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  and often sudden syncope, which is fainting or blacking out.
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  Speaker 2: And her parents, Stephen Natalie fiercely supported this defense.
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  Speaker 1: They really did. They argued this physiological cascade occurred while
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  she was driving, causing an instantaneous loss of consciousness.
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  Speaker 2: The legal mechanics of deploying this defense are fascinating and
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  incredibly difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I bet.
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  Speaker 2: The defense is asking the court to evaluate the realities
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  of the human body against the tangible readouts of a machine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The challenge is the burden of proving a negative.
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  How do you definitively prove the absence of memory or
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  the absence of consciousness in a specific five second window
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  in the past. You can't, really, right, POTS is a
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  very real, very debilitating condition for millions of people. Fainting
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  is a documented symptom, so the court is faced with
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  a massive tension.
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  Speaker 2: Here's where it gets really interesting. Think about the analogy
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  of a crashed computer. Ohpe, claiming a medical blackout in
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  the face of this EDR data is like trying to
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  prove a random software glitch caused your laptop to crash,
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  but the hard drive has been physically smashed pieces.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good way to look at it.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing the IT investigator has to look at
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  is a separate log showing that right before the laptop
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  shut down, the user successfully typed out ten very specific
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  complex commands. How does a judge weigh an invisible, unprovable
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  neurological of event against hard printed engine data.
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  Speaker 1: This raises an important question, though the defense strategy here
• 19:06
  doesn't actually require them to definitively prove a POTS episode occurred.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: It doesn't, no, they only need to prove that it
• 19:13
  is a reasonable possibility. In the criminal justice system, the
• 19:16
  prosecution must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Right, of course,
• 19:20
  if a documented medical condition creates a plausible alternative explanation
• 19:25
  for the loss of vehicle control, that theoretically introduces reasonable
• 19:29
  doubt regarding her intent to commit murder.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: But again, the timeline in the GPS data become the
• 19:35
  dagger in the heart of that spontaneous blackout theory.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: The prosecution argued that the coincidence required is just too staggering.
• 19:44
  If she randomly fainted due to an autonomic nervous system failure,
• 19:47
  why did it happen at the exact moment she was
• 19:49
  driving nearly one hundred miles an hour down a dead
• 19:51
  end street she had specifically scouted days prior.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: It's a massive stretch.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: A random medical event aligning perfectly with a previously scoutered
• 19:59
  location while the body simultaneously maintains one hundred percent throttle
• 20:03
  pressure is a statistical anomaly that defies logic and.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: The accumulation of evidence. The EDR data, the relationship history,
• 20:11
  the prior threats, and the GPS scouting fundamentally shifted how
• 20:15
  law enforcement viewed the event.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: They didn't see it as an accident anymore exactly.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Initially, first responders treated it as a horrific traffic accident,
• 20:23
  but by November fourth, twenty twenty two, Mackenzie Shrillo was
• 20:26
  arrested and officially charged with murder.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Because she was a teenager, she was initially processed in
• 20:32
  the juvenile court system. However, given the severe nature of
• 20:36
  the charges, she was bound over for an.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Adult trial, which instantly elevates the stakes to the absolute
• 20:42
  maximum threshold under the law. We are no longer talking
• 20:45
  about juvenile rehabilitation. We are talking about life in an
• 20:48
  adult penitentiary.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: And the battle over this evidence wouldn't be decided by
• 20:52
  a jury of her peers.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: No, it would be decided by a single person in
• 20:56
  a black robe. In August of twenty twenty three, the
• 21:00
  trial began. Mackenzie actually waved her right to a jury trial.
• 21:03
  She opted for a bench trial before Judge Nancy Margaret Russo.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: And just as a quick clarification, Judge Russo has no
• 21:10
  relation to the victim.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Don Russo right, good point.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Waving a jury trial in a homicide case is one
• 21:14
  of the most calculated, high risk gambles a defense attorney
• 21:17
  can make. It fundamentally changes the entire texture of the trial.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: But why do it, I mean, why look at a
• 21:23
  case so heavily steeped in the messy emotional dynamics of
• 21:26
  teenagers and saying no, I don't want twelve ordinary citizens
• 21:30
  looking at this.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: It's a strategic move.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Was the defense betting that a judge would be more analytical,
• 21:37
  more likely to cold read the Pots medical data, rather
• 21:40
  than getting swept up in the tragedy of two dead kids.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: That is almost certainly the rationale. Juries are inherently unpredictable
• 21:47
  because they are composed of ordinary people with their own
• 21:49
  biases and emotional triggers.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: A jury can be deeply swayed by the emotional weight
• 21:55
  of a toxic relationship narrative, by the heartbreaking impact statements
• 21:59
  of grieving families, or by the sheer visceral horror of
• 22:03
  the crash scene photographs.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: They get emotional exactly.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: A judge theoretically is professionally trained to compartmentalize that emotion.
• 22:11
  A judge looks strictly at the statutory requirements of the law. Oh,
• 22:15
  I see the defense likely hope Judge Russo would look
• 22:18
  at the POTS diagnosis, note the lack of a formal confession,
• 22:22
  and conclude that the prosecution could not definitively clear the
• 22:26
  high hurdle of proving state of mind beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: So they were betting on a technicality.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, they were betting everything on a clinical legal technicality
• 22:36
  over emotional resonance, But.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: The prosecution, led by Assistant Prosecutor Tim Trup, brought a
• 22:43
  relentless narrative that didn't just rely on emotion. Over four days,
• 22:47
  they built a wall of data.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: They presented the crash reconstruction.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: They displayed the eder black box charts. They juxtaposed the
• 22:54
  smiling social media photos against the dark, controlling text messages.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: They brought in witnesses to testify to the relationship's toxicity.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: And they countered the pots defense with the GPS scouting
• 23:04
  data troops. Argument was crystal clear, this is intentional murder.
• 23:08
  Right Mackenzie Shirilla use her vehicle as a deadly weapon
• 23:11
  to end a failing, toxic relationship. She refused to let
• 23:14
  go of. She chose the road, floored in the pedal,
• 23:17
  and made no attempt to stop.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: And to secure a conviction, the prosecution had to navigate
• 23:23
  the specific statutory definitions of homicide in Ohio. They charged
• 23:28
  her under two primary theories, purposeful murder and felony murder.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, what's the difference.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Well, purposeful murder requires proving intent at the exact moment
• 23:38
  of the act. The state had to prove she made
• 23:40
  a conscious decision in that vehicle to end their lives right.
• 23:43
  Felony murder, on the other hand, operates differently. It essentially
• 23:47
  argues that a death occurred as a direct proximate result
• 23:51
  of the defendant committing a separate violent felony, and.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: In this case, that felony.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Was felonious assault with a deadly weapon the car.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: The judges this verdict was sweeping and definitive. Judge Nancy
• 24:03
  Margaret Russo found Mackenzie Sherilla guilty on all counts, all
• 24:06
  of them. This included four counts of murder, covering both
• 24:09
  the purposeful and felony murder theories, four counts of felonious assault,
• 24:13
  two counts of aggravated vehicular homicide, plus the drug possession
• 24:17
  and criminal tools related to the mushrooms found at the scene.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It is essential to highlight a nuanced legal distinction in
• 24:23
  the verdict. However, she was not convicted of aggravated murder.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Wait, really, what does that mean?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Under Ohio law, aggravated murder requires the state to prove
• 24:32
  prior calculation and design. This implies a cold blooded, long
• 24:37
  term premeditation, a calculated assassination plot. Okay, despite the incredibly
• 24:43
  damning GPS scouting data. The judge apparently felt the evidence
• 24:47
  didn't cross the threshold to prove long term prior calculation
• 24:50
  beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: But she was still found guilty of the other murder charges.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, the purposeful on felony murder convictions still carry massive
• 24:59
  life altering weights, and in.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Late August twenty twenty three, she was sentenced to two
• 25:03
  concurrent terms of fifteen years to life in prison. During
• 25:07
  the sentencing phase, Mackenzie actually read a statement.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: She did. She expressed deep sorrow and insisted once again
• 25:13
  that the crash was not intentional.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: The victim's families delivered highly emotional impact statements, some of
• 25:18
  them openly questioned whether her apology held any sincerity whatsoever,
• 25:23
  given her refusal to admit intent.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: It was incredibly tense.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: But the element of the sentencing that exploded across the internet,
• 25:30
  the thing that went incredibly viral, where the judge's remarks,
• 25:33
  Oh Yes, in delivering the verdict, Judge Russo didn't just
• 25:37
  dryly read the statutes. She looked down from the bench
• 25:41
  explicitly called the act murder and dubbed Mackenzie Shirilla hell
• 25:46
  on wheels.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And that phrase instantly transcended the walls of the courtroom.
• 25:51
  It became the headline for every single news outlet covering
• 25:54
  the case.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I have to ask about the optics of that, though.
• 25:58
  Does a catchy media ready sound like hell on wheels
• 26:01
  coming from a judge sitting on the bench undermine the
• 26:04
  solemnity and the impartiality of the justice system.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: It's a huge debate.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It feels like something a pundit says on a talk show,
• 26:10
  not the arbiter of law. Doesn't it cheapen the process?
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: The debate over judicial rhetoric is a fierce one in
• 26:16
  legal circles. Many argue that judges should act as perfectly
• 26:19
  detached umpires, dealing only in the dry language of the law,
• 26:23
  to maintain the appearance of total neutrality.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Right, that's what you expect.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: However, there is an opposing philosophy centered on the expressive
• 26:31
  function of the law. Once guilt has been definitively established,
• 26:35
  as it was in this bench trial, judges routinely use
• 26:39
  the sentencing phase to send broader societal messages.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Oh interesting, By.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Using strong evocative language, Judge Russou was actively framing the
• 26:48
  severity of the Act for the public record.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: She was sending a message exactly.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: She was signaling to the community that using a vehicle
• 26:55
  as a weapon is a profound moral violation. It intentionally
• 27:00
  strips away the softening euphemisms of a traffing accident and
• 27:04
  forces the public to confront the deliberate violence of the choice.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Well, the gabble fell, the sentence was handed down, and
• 27:09
  Mackenzie was transported to prison. But we live in the
• 27:12
  modern era where a legal conviction is rarely the end
• 27:15
  of the story.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: It really isn't.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: It is often just the beginning of a completely different
• 27:19
  kind of trial. The court of public opinion was about
• 27:21
  to convene, and this one would be broadcast globally via streaming.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: This transition marks the point where the rigid reality of
• 27:28
  the legal system collides with the sprawling true crime industrial complex.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: In May of twenty twenty six, Netflix premiered a documentary
• 27:37
  titled The Crash, directed by Gareth Johnson. This was not
• 27:41
  just a news.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Recap, no, it was a massive production.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: This documentary featured extensive interviews with Mackenzie from prison, her
• 27:47
  first public comment since being incarcerated. It also featured the families, friends, investigators,
• 27:53
  and prosecutors.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And they reconstructed the night of the crash with high
• 27:57
  end production values.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and right into the camera lens, Mackenzie tells the viewers,
• 28:02
  I was the driver of a tragedy, but I'm not
• 28:04
  a murderer.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: She spends time describing Dom as protective and loving.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Right. She acknowledges they had fights, as teenagers do, but
• 28:12
  she insists they always reconciled quickly.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: The documentary really provides her with a massive platform to
• 28:18
  attempt to reclaim her narrative. She leans heavily into the
• 28:21
  pots defense, emphasizing the medical complexity of the condition, and
• 28:26
  works diligently to reframe the prosecution's evidence of a toxic
• 28:29
  relationship as nothing more than normal, albeit messy, teenage turbulence.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: But the contrast between her composed words on camera and
• 28:39
  her actual documented life inside the prison is incredibly stark.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: She is incarcerated at the Ohio Reformatory for Women in Marysville.
• 28:49
  The source material details that over her first three years there,
• 28:53
  she has accumulated dozens of conduct violation lessons. Yeah, dozens.
• 28:57
  She has a lengthy disciplinary record for and fractions. Yet simultaneously,
• 29:02
  in phone calls and in these documentary interviews, she maintains
• 29:06
  her total innocence regarding intent. She even stated that she
• 29:10
  doesn't need rehabilitation for murder because she didn't commit one. Astonishingly,
• 29:14
  she expressed a desire to become a life coach upon
• 29:17
  her release, for which she becomes eligible in twenty thirty seven.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: That dichotomy is a fascinating study in psychology and public relations.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: It's wild.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: On one side of the ledger, you have a documented
• 29:27
  record of persistent rule breaking and defiance within the highly
• 29:30
  structured environment of a correctional facility. On the other side,
• 29:34
  you have this stated aspiration to guide and mentor others
• 29:37
  as a life coach. It forces the public to evaluate
• 29:42
  how prison behavior impacts our perception of a consac's true character.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, does a poor disciplinary record validate Judge Russo's hell
• 29:50
  on Wheel's assessment or are we.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Simply looking at the reality of a young woman struggling
• 29:54
  to adapt to the harsh, unforgiving environment of a maximum
• 29:58
  security prison.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: What does this all mean? I mean, what does consuming
• 30:02
  this media mean for us? This documentary sparked a massive
• 30:06
  societal fallout. It caused severe public polarization.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It divided people entirely half.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: The viewers watch the eder data and read the text
• 30:14
  messages and walk away convinced she's a cold blooded killer
• 30:17
  who got exactly what she deserved. And the other half,
• 30:20
  the other half, see a young woman who was a
• 30:21
  victim of teen impulsivity and a misunderstood medical issue, and
• 30:25
  they wonder if a teenager truly deserved a life sentence.
• 30:28
  It's a tough debate, but my broader question is, how
• 30:31
  does this implicate us as consumers? We turn these family
• 30:34
  tragedies into our evening entertainment. We debate their trauma around
• 30:39
  the water cooler like it's a fictional television drama.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, this is
• 30:44
  the central ethical crisis of modern true crime media.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Documentaries like The Crash often justify their existence by claiming
• 30:53
  to humanize all parties and shed light on the nuances
• 30:56
  of the justice system. And sometimes they do, and they
• 30:59
  often do what she that. They explore the medical realities
• 31:02
  of pots and the complex sociology of young love. But
• 31:06
  we cannot ignore the collateral damage the families. Exactly, media
• 31:11
  scrutiny creates a profound, agonizing secondary punishment for the families involved.
• 31:16
  Long after the gabble has.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Fallen, and the collateral damage here was devastatingly real and immediate.
• 31:21
  Following the documentary's release, in the massive controversy at Drummed Up,
• 31:24
  Mackenzie's father, Steve actually had his teaching contract non renewed.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: He lost his job, he lost.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: His livelihood amid the public backlash simply because he publicly
• 31:33
  criticized the editing of the documentary.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's tragic.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And for the victim's families, like Dom's sister Christine, the
• 31:41
  release of the film pulled them right back into the
• 31:44
  worst day of their lives. Years after the legal system
• 31:47
  had supposedly provided them with closure, they had to watch
• 31:50
  millions of strangers debate the validity of their brother's murder
• 31:54
  on social media.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It's reliving the trauma all over again.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: They are trying to move forward. The source notes they
• 32:00
  have set up scholarships in Davian Flanagan's name to honor
• 32:03
  his memory, but the media cycle just violently rips the
• 32:07
  wound open again.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: It demands that we ask a difficult question. Do true
• 32:11
  crime documentaries genuinely serve the public interest by rigorously exploring justice,
• 32:16
  or do they merely exploit human trauma to drive streaming
• 32:20
  engagement metrics. It is a tension that the genre has
• 32:23
  never fully resolved.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: While the documentary fought a messy, ambiguous battle for sympathy
• 32:27
  and living rooms across the world, Mackenzie Sharilla's legal team
• 32:32
  was fighting a desperate, incredibly technical final battle in the
• 32:35
  appellate courts.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: And this part is just it's hard to believe.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: And this battle was doomed not by new forensic evidence,
• 32:43
  not by a witness changing their testimony, but by the
• 32:46
  calendar itself.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: The procedural failure in the appellate process is one of
• 32:50
  the most astonishing details of the entire legal saga.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: After her direct appeals were denied by the Ohio Eighth
• 32:57
  District Court of Appeals in twenty twenty four, her legal
• 33:00
  team sought post conviction relief. They argued they had new
• 33:04
  medical evidence regarding her POTS diagnosis and raised procedural issues
• 33:09
  regarding how the trial was conducted. But here is the
• 33:12
  devastating failure. A key post conviction petition was dismissed entirely
• 33:17
  by the court without ever being heard on its.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Merits because of the filing date.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, because it was filed on the three hundred and
• 33:22
  sixty sixth day. Her legal counsel made a fatal calculation
• 33:26
  error because the filing period fell during a leap year.
• 33:29
  They forgot to account for February twenty ninth.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And the rigidity of appellate law in this moment is
• 33:34
  absolute and unforgiving.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I find this almost incomprehensible. I am genuinely astounded. Think
• 33:39
  about the stakes. A young woman is sitting in a
• 33:41
  maximum security prison facing a life.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Sentence, her entire future on the line.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Her potential avenue for appeal, her chance to present new
• 33:48
  medical evidence is entirely shut down because a highly paid
• 33:52
  lawyer forgot to look at a leapier calendar.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: It's a devastating oversight.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It's like drowning in the middle of the ocean because
• 33:58
  your watch was exactly one second slow and you miss
• 34:01
  the rescue boat. It highlights the terrifying stakes of legal representation.
• 34:07
  How is that justice? How does a technicality override a
• 34:10
  life sentence?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: It seems incredibly harsh, and it frequently frustrates the public.
• 34:14
  But from a systemic perspective, the law requires strict, immovable
• 34:19
  deadlines in order to function.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: But for a single day.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: If appellate courts start allowing three hundred and sixty six
• 34:24
  days because of a leapier oversight, then what is the
• 34:26
  argument against three hundred and sixty seven days? Why not
• 34:29
  four hundred days?
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I see this slippery slope argument.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the entire judicial system relies on predictability and finality.
• 34:35
  The prosecution's stance was uncompromising. A mistake by counsel on
• 34:40
  the timing of a filing does not suddenly grant the
• 34:42
  defendant a special exemption to warrant a review by the
• 34:45
  state's highest court.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: The rules are the rules.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: The procedural rules must apply to everyone equally, regardless of
• 34:51
  the stakes. Furthermore, while the leapier error generates the headlines,
• 34:55
  the appellate courts essentially signaled that a procedural mistake on
• 34:59
  a timeline does not invalidate the overwhelming physical evidence of
• 35:03
  a ninety seven point eight miles per hour crash.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: So the original evidence was just too strong.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Exactly, the underlying facts were too strong for a
• 35:11
  late filing to overturn.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: That procedural failure led directly to the end of the road.
• 35:16
  In twenty twenty six, her team tried one final push.
• 35:20
  They appealed to the Ohio Supreme Court, arguing that this
• 35:23
  case represented substantial constitutional questions and was of massive public interest, which,
• 35:28
  given the viral nature of the Netflix documentary, it clearly was.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: But it didn't work. No.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: On June twenty three, twenty twenty six, Ohio Supreme Court
• 35:37
  Chief Justice Sharon L. Kennedy declined jurisdiction. The court simply
• 35:41
  refused to hear the case.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: The Ohio Supreme Court has an exceptionally high bar for review.
• 35:45
  They do not exist to retry cases or reweigh the
• 35:47
  evidence of a trial court.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: What do they look for? Then?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: They look for fundamental systemic flaws and how the law
• 35:52
  was interpreted or applied. The finality of their denial means
• 35:56
  that the strong original forensic evidence, the ed data, the
• 36:00
  texts the GPS one out over the defense's procedural complaints
• 36:04
  and theoretical medical arguments.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Which leaves Mackenzie Sherrilla looking at an incredibly grim reality.
• 36:11
  Her legal options are effectively exhausted. The source material notes
• 36:16
  that pursuing federal habeas corpus or seeking clemency from the
• 36:20
  governor are exceedingly rare maneuvers and highly unlikely to succeed
• 36:24
  given the facts of the case.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: She is going to sit in that prison cell until
• 36:28
  at least twenty thirty seven.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Which is when she first becomes eligible for parole. She
• 36:33
  will be thirty three years old when she finally sits
• 36:35
  before a.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Parole board, and when she faces that board in twenty
• 36:38
  thirty seven, her conduct record will be heavily scrutinized.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Those dozens of conduct.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Violations, combined with her public statements in the documentary maintaining
• 36:47
  that she isn't a murderer and doesn't need rehabilitation for
• 36:50
  a crime she didn't commit, those will be central to
• 36:53
  their decision.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: If they want to see remorse.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Right a parole board looks primarily for remorse and rehabilitation.
• 36:58
  Her current stance of maintain hating her absolute innocence regarding
• 37:01
  intent complicates your chances for release deeply.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: It is an immense, multi layered tragedy that leaves devastation
• 37:08
  in every direction. You have two young men, dom Russo
• 37:12
  and Davian Flannagan, dead before their adult lives really even began. Yeah,
• 37:17
  you have their families grieving endlessly, perpetually caught in the
• 37:21
  crosshairs of public true crime fascination. You have a twenty
• 37:25
  one year old woman locked away for decades, her father
• 37:28
  losing his career, her family fractures.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: It's incredibly sad all around.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: It is a brutal reminder of the absolute fragility of life.
• 37:36
  It shows that devastating, irreversible consequences that occur when toxic,
• 37:40
  controlling teenage relationships intersect with the sheer physical power of
• 37:45
  a motor vehicle.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: It really strips away all the illusions we hold about
• 37:48
  safety and control in our daily lives. It does it
• 37:50
  demonstrates how a single decision, or single microscopic moment of
• 37:54
  lost physiological control, depending entirely on what you believe, can
• 37:57
  obliterate multiple futures in a matter of five seconds.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: As we wrap up this deep dive into the wreckage
• 38:03
  of the Sharrilla case, I want to leave you the
• 38:05
  listener with a broader thought to mull over something that
• 38:09
  builds on everything we've explored today regarding the EDR data,
• 38:12
  the GPS scouting, and the pots medical defense.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: It's a really important takeaway.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Think about the intensely tracked world we are moving into.
• 38:20
  Our cars constantly record our steering inputs, our pedal pressure,
• 38:24
  our location.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Our phones track our steps our messages.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Exactly, our exact geographic coordinates. Our smart watches monitor our
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  heart rates, our sleep cycles, our oxygen levels down to
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  the millisecond. Are we entering a technological future where the
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  medical emergency or temporary insanity defense is effectively dead? Wow?
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  When infallible, microscopic digital data records our every single physical
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  movement in biological rhythm, is there any room left in
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  the justice system for reasonable doubt regarding human intent?
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  Speaker 2: That's chilling thought.
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  Speaker 1: If a machine can perfectly document the what will the
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  courts eventually side that human fallibility can no longer excuse
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  the why?
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  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate collision between the messy, subjective reality
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  of being human and the cold, unfeeling perfection of our technology.
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  Speaker 1: Lent that thought, linger the next time you get behind
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  the wheel. Oh thank you for joining us on this
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  deep dive.