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Why Women Really Hire Male Escorts | ft. George Goulburn · Sex Advice for Seniors Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Suzanne and you're listening to Sex Advice for Seniors.
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SPEAKER_00: Have you ever wondered what it would be like to hire a male escort?
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SPEAKER_00: I know I have from time to time when I get a bit frustrated.
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SPEAKER_00: Most recently when I was in Southeast Asia,
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SPEAKER_00: I actually did think to myself,
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I wonder if these sorts of people exist out here because
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there's certainly a lot of
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SPEAKER_00: women that do this sort of activity in Southeast Asia,
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SPEAKER_00: but not
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SPEAKER_00: George, welcome to Sex Advice for Seniors
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I love the film I encourage so many people to watch it Emma
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Thompson is amazing She
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is but for those who don't know it's about a 61 year old woman
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who after a very
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unsexually satisfying marriage following the death of her
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partner decided that she
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wants to explore sexual pleasure and hires a young male escort
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to help her with
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SPEAKER_00: this task and
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I was 61 at the time that that film came out she was 61 at the
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time when that film
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was made or she was supposed to be 61 so the media kept asking
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me about you know my
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sex life and that's how this all started I had one podcast that
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I was doing with
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SPEAKER_00: Peter but
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SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you what frustrated me about that film,
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SPEAKER_00: and I'm curious to hear your experience,
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SPEAKER_00: is that I thought,
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SPEAKER_00: God,
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SPEAKER_00: this woman is paying for these sessions,
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SPEAKER_00: and she's not having any sex.
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SPEAKER_00: Like,
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SPEAKER_00: for the first three or four sessions,
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SPEAKER_00: I can't remember how long it took her until they finally got down to it,
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SPEAKER_00: but it was ages,
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SPEAKER_00: and I just thought,
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SPEAKER_00: Do people really do that?
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SPEAKER_00: Can they afford to just hire somebody like you and just go,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: let's just kind of get to know each other?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, how does it work?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, the short answer is yes, they do.
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I found that film to be very true to life of so many of my
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clients because that
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SPEAKER_01: film does it so well.
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SPEAKER_01: It really tells the genuine story of what it's like.
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So many of my clients are in their 60s and they've not had
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intimacy for a very long time.
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SPEAKER_01: They're not ready to just jump into sex with an escort.
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SPEAKER_01: It takes them time to build up their confidence and feel safe.
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And I'll come back to the word safe all the time because it's
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the most important
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SPEAKER_01: aspect of what I do.
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SPEAKER_01: And
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It might get them to a point where they initially might be very
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uncomfortable with their body.
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They might have situations in their past that make them not
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ready to be naked in front of a man.
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So that is a genuine representation of what it's like for many
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women to eventually
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get to the point where they might choose to get naked and then
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explore sex.
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SPEAKER_01: So
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Yeah I think it was a marvelous job and I had many clients who
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would fit that mold
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perfectly Wow that's really fascinating because yeah for me I
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just wanted someone
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who would just get down to it frankly but this wasn't always
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your job was it?
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SPEAKER_00: How the hell did you get started in all of this?
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That's a great question Suzanne and you know I've worked for 30
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years in the
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SPEAKER_01: corporate and government sectors I've got a couple of university degrees
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SPEAKER_01: So it's not the usual pivot.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not the usual career change from the boardroom to the bedroom.
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SPEAKER_01: And for me, though, I'm in my mid-50s now.
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SPEAKER_01: This has been on my mind for around 15 years,
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SPEAKER_01: since I was about the age of 40,
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SPEAKER_01: because that's when I came out of my last long-term relationship.
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SPEAKER_01: So ever since then, I've been dating like crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like an Olympic sport for me.
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SPEAKER_01: Perhaps...
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SPEAKER_01: And that's because I'm an extrovert and I love women,
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SPEAKER_01: I love dating,
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SPEAKER_01: I love learning So over the course of all of those years,
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SPEAKER_01: there were so many women that I would be dating who would say,
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SPEAKER_01: where are the guys like you?
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Where are the guys who can hold a conversation and be
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interesting and interested
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and who will ask me questions and won't talk about their car or
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their portfolio or
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all this boring crap And quite a number of them encouraged me
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to get paid for what
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SPEAKER_01: I'm doing
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And so there was a really opportune moment a few years back
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when I was made
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SPEAKER_01: redundant in the job that I was doing,
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SPEAKER_01: which was high pay but high stress.
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So I took that as a bit of a sign from the universe to follow
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what I was destined
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SPEAKER_01: perhaps to do,
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SPEAKER_01: which is this work.
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I'm a big believer in manifesting and at the time there was a
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former male escort in
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Australia here and I must say it's legal in most parts of
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Australia so what I'm
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doing is not controversial I know in the States it's very
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different so that's why
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I'm very public I'm very comfortable with what I do and anyway
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this former escort
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had written a book he was doing a tour of that book and doing a
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lot of media
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And he shifted into the space where he was teaching men over 40
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who wanted to do
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SPEAKER_01: the work how they do the work.
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SPEAKER_01: So it just felt like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: I laid it in my lap,
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SPEAKER_01: so to speak So I reached out,
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SPEAKER_01: we had a video call a couple of days later And he said to me,
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SPEAKER_01: look,
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SPEAKER_01: here's how much you should price Here's where you advertise,
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SPEAKER_01: get a photo shoot,
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SPEAKER_01: all these things And very quickly thereafter,
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SPEAKER_01: it just all came together And that's where it began And,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm very fortunate to have wonderful family and friends
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And they're comfortable with what I do So I don't have to have
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any sort of shame or
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embarrassment of what I'm doing And that's not the case for so
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many other people in
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this industry So I really count my blessings I'm very fortunate
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about that And it's
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SPEAKER_01: been a fascinating road these last few years And yeah,
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I consider it the most giving and generous and beautiful job
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I've ever had in my
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SPEAKER_01: life
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I was going to ask about your family.
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SPEAKER_00: So the fact it's legal and your family is comfortable about this.
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But when we think of escorting,
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we always think,
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who are these people who hire escorts?
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SPEAKER_00: Because certainly the men that I know who have hired escorts,
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SPEAKER_00: typically they do it for one of two reasons.
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SPEAKER_00: Either because it's just easy or
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SPEAKER_00: and they just think, do you know what?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't want to go through the hassle of like having a girlfriend,
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SPEAKER_00: having to make that kind of commitment.
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SPEAKER_00: I just want to have sex.
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SPEAKER_00: This is what it's for.
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SPEAKER_00: A woman rocks up.
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SPEAKER_00: She goes down on me, whatever goes on, right?
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And then the other people are people who perhaps struggle to
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find a partner and are
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SPEAKER_00: sexually frustrated and think,
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this is one way of meeting my sexual needs and personally I
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don't have any problem
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about escorts whatsoever as you can probably tell I think they
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do a really valuable
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service and I've known several over the years and they're
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amazing people amazing
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people but I have to say I've met in my life one very
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successful male escort in the
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SPEAKER_00: UK and when I ended up having this conversation with him
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SPEAKER_00: He confided in me that most of his clients actually weren't women.
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SPEAKER_00: They were straight men that wanted a male experience.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you get that sort of inquiry as well?
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SPEAKER_00: Or do you find that the women that you get,
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SPEAKER_00: are they women that fall into the two camps that the men would fall into?
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SPEAKER_00: Or is there a completely different category on the female side?
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SPEAKER_00: And
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SPEAKER_00: Is there enough work, I guess, what I'm asking?
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SPEAKER_00: Is there enough work just catering to women?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, look, there's a bunch of questions you ask me.
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SPEAKER_01: Really unpack them.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm 100% straight.
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And people might have the misconception that,
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bullshit,
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you're not straight.
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SPEAKER_01: I can guarantee you I am.
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SPEAKER_01: I have zero desire to be with men.
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So I rule that out straight away I will often get inquiries
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from men wondering if I
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SPEAKER_01: will do something with them And the answer is,
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read my profile Straight male escort It's what it says on the
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label So yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: that is not something I ever entertain I do on very,
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very rare occasions see couples But that is for a particular
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reason And it could be
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SPEAKER_01: because the man...
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struggles with intimacy and he can't provide what his partner
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or his wife wants.
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And that's a very rigorous process for me to determine if they
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are the right type
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SPEAKER_01: of clientele for me.
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SPEAKER_01: But all of my clients are women.
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SPEAKER_01: So they are in certain circumstances,
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SPEAKER_01: but like you were just saying,
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SPEAKER_01: they're very different to men seeking out female escorts.
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SPEAKER_01: My minimum booking is two hours.
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And that's because women don't want to come in and just have a
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10-minute session
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and go And I've come to know many female escorts And they do
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provide that type of
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SPEAKER_01: service Because there are men who just,
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SPEAKER_01: that's all they want They want to pressure boundaries And that's fine,
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SPEAKER_01: no judgment whatsoever But the both of my clientele,
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SPEAKER_01: they want connection They want to be seen,
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SPEAKER_01: be heard
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Two hours is barely enough to begin with I put a lot of time
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and attention into the
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SPEAKER_01: pre-meeting Let's say,
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SPEAKER_01: for example,
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a woman reaches out to me via my website or where I advertise
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and makes an inquiry
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SPEAKER_01: saying,
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SPEAKER_01: George,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm interested in meeting you
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I go through a very extensive process to figure out if I'm the
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best person for that
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woman so I don't need to accept every client inquiry that I get
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and I don't but I
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will ask questions like well tell me a bit about yourself
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what's your backstory and
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are you in a relationship or they can tell me whatever it is
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they choose to tell me
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And I don't love that But I need to understand if I'm going to
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be the best person
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SPEAKER_01: for them And if not,
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SPEAKER_01: I won't accept the booking
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SPEAKER_01: It's really important for me to appreciate who they are,
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SPEAKER_01: what I can give to them,
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SPEAKER_01: and if not,
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SPEAKER_01: I will either just say a flat no,
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SPEAKER_01: or if I think they are very genuine,
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SPEAKER_01: because I do know some other good quality male escorts,
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SPEAKER_01: I might say,
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SPEAKER_01: you may want to reach out to this person.
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SPEAKER_01: But sex is far down the list in terms of what most women want.
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SPEAKER_01: In a very large proportion of my clientele, it's intimacy.
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Connection Simple things like Having a man to pay attention to
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them Hold their hand
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Hug them And just be totally present So that's where it's
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vastly different From a
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SPEAKER_01: female escort to a male escort
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And has your view of intimacy and connection and relationships
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changed since you
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SPEAKER_00: started doing this?
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SPEAKER_01: Completely.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, it has.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll give you an example.
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SPEAKER_01: So I have a number of clients in their 60s,
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SPEAKER_01: 70s and even in their 80s who have reached out to me and I've got to,
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SPEAKER_01: as I just said,
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SPEAKER_01: understand who they are,
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SPEAKER_01: what their situation is and what it is they want from me.
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SPEAKER_01: What can I provide?
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And for many of them,
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it is purely a social connection,
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at least to begin with.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's a particular client in her 60s,
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SPEAKER_01: I've seen her for about two years now,
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SPEAKER_01: roughly every month.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's a lot of interactions.
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And it's only been in the last couple of months we've actually
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become physical in
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SPEAKER_01: terms of actual sex.
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Because that's a very sacred thing for her And building up
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these lovely connections
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SPEAKER_01: between us We'll go out for lunch,
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SPEAKER_01: we'll hold hands,
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we'll go to an art gallery And do these things that she's never
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been married,
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SPEAKER_01: she never had children
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SPEAKER_01: But for her,
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this is just so extraordinary It's a man paying attention to
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her for the first time
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SPEAKER_01: in her life And for her,
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that's worth paying for That's intimacy for her So there are so
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many different ways
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SPEAKER_01: of expressing touch and physical connection And just that beautiful heart
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SPEAKER_01: connection that we can have with people
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SPEAKER_00: a one-off kind of quickie,
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SPEAKER_00: do you have situations where people do develop strong feelings for you?
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SPEAKER_00: And if so, how do you deal with that?
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SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, yes, that happens.
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I consider the connections that I have with those clients to be
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relationships.
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SPEAKER_01: I have a relationship with them.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's part and parcel of being human because we share so much.
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SPEAKER_01: We share conversations about their life and my line-off.
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SPEAKER_01: I need to maintain a boundary that this ultimately is a transaction.
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There's an exchange of money for a service It's like you might
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have a great
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hairdresser You're paying the hairdresser to do your hair and
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look good But they're
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SPEAKER_01: not necessarily going to be your best friend
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But it can get a bit blurry sometimes because particularly when
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sex is involved,
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SPEAKER_01: it does change the brain chemistry.
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SPEAKER_01: It really makes women feel differently.
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SPEAKER_01: So,
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SPEAKER_01: for instance,
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if I've had this level of intimacy with a man for a very long
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time and I'm giving
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SPEAKER_01: them all the attention and say all the right things,
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SPEAKER_01: they might be thinking,
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SPEAKER_01: you're exactly what I want.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But as I say, you can rent me, but you can't buy me.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's a really challenging thing for a lot of women.
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They see this thing that they wanted for a very long time,
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but they can't have me in that way.
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That's very difficult yourself to manage and navigate those
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kind of relationships.
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Yeah,
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of course,
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because I'm human as well,
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and I give a great deal to these connections.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm as authentic as I can possibly be.
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SPEAKER_01: So what I'm providing is not fake.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not an actor.
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SPEAKER_01: I can't do that.
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But I need to maintain a strong boundary so that what I'm
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providing is genuine and
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SPEAKER_01: real,
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SPEAKER_01: but authentic.
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There's a line and that can't be crossed because that's not
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what I'm going to do.
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And the matter of the fact is,
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this is my job and I'm not going to be monogamous with a
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client.
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SPEAKER_01: So it is a very vexed and very delicate area to step around.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was thinking about the start of this conversation where,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: there's two things that I'm curious about.
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SPEAKER_00: One is when you initially got into this job and
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SPEAKER_00: Several women said to you, you'd be really good at this.
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SPEAKER_00: Now,
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SPEAKER_00: I was with a guy years ago,
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SPEAKER_00: actually,
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SPEAKER_00: who was incredibly charming,
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SPEAKER_00: and I tried to set up something for him called Charm School for Boys,
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because I thought what he'd be really good at is a bit like the
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original course
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SPEAKER_00: that you went on,
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SPEAKER_00: just teaching men how it was to be charming.
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But for me,
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if I meet someone charming and lovely,
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I don't want to rent them out.
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I want to keep them because they're fun and they're charming
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and they're lovely and
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when those women said to you you'd be really good at this I
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think that's a very
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interesting thing what was it that you were not good at that
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made them think that
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SPEAKER_00: you'd be good at being rented out and not good as their forever man
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SPEAKER_00: Because prior to getting into this,
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SPEAKER_00: if you were the guy that you claimed to be,
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SPEAKER_00: I'd be like,
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SPEAKER_00: I want to keep this one.
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SPEAKER_00: He's clicking all the right buttons.
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So what was it that you weren't doing that made them go,
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why don't you rent yourself out?
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SPEAKER_01: No, I love that, Suzanne.
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SPEAKER_01: So...
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Just it's important to understand a bit of the backstory so I
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was married once I
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had another long-term relationship so 20 years of my adult life
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was spent in the
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traditional relationships you know living together having kids
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all those things and
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so when that last one ended around 15 years ago I just knew
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that was not what I
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SPEAKER_01: wanted to do anymore so all the dating I referred to
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I've been for the most part ethically non-monogamous that means
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that I've been
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dating multiple women and they've all known that that's what
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I'm doing and most of
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them are doing the same thing so I'm very honest and very
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upfront that I'm not
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SPEAKER_01: offering the provisional
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Leading Together Sharing Bank Accounts All those type of things
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So if that's what
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you want Amazing But I'm not the guy So I'm very upfront about
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those things So that
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SPEAKER_01: if you like me And I like you
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SPEAKER_01: In saying that,
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I must admit that I'm not close-minded to something amazing
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happening in my life
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That would be a bit fooling But the price of entry is
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complexity And this is what I
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do And in the last few years of doing this escorting work I've
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expected that
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SPEAKER_01: Not many women will want to date me because it's complex.
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SPEAKER_00: It is.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a lot going on here.
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SPEAKER_01: But this is my story.
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SPEAKER_01: This is my truth.
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SPEAKER_01: And I absolutely love what I'm doing.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm very passionate about it, as I think you can tell.
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SPEAKER_01: Because I bring great joy to women.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's like the most profound profession I think I've ever had.
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SPEAKER_00: You mentioned creating trust and safety and how important that is.
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And I can appreciate that because you're going into a situation
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with a stranger initially.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't know you.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't know anything about you.
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SPEAKER_00: How do you create that feeling of safety and trust?
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SPEAKER_01: Many of my clients have had serious traumas.
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Many of them have had sexual abuse and that's a hell of a lot
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to deal with.
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I make it very clear that I'm not a therapist and if they
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present those type of
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SPEAKER_01: things to me,
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I sort of ask if they are seeing a therapist or they're seeing
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professional help
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SPEAKER_01: for those things because I can't provide that.
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SPEAKER_01: But when you look at,
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SPEAKER_01: say,
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SPEAKER_01: my website or where I advertise,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm as open-minded as I can possibly be and very clear.
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SPEAKER_01: So there will be,
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SPEAKER_01: I talk about the various courses that I've done,
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SPEAKER_01: talk about the,
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SPEAKER_01: well,
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SPEAKER_01: there's testimonials from clients who have seen me.
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And they're quite raw and direct and honest because my
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reputation is everything.
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SPEAKER_01: If I was not doing a good job, I would never get any more clients.
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But I have an ability,
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I think,
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to make women feel relaxed and comfortable.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just in my inherent nature.
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SPEAKER_01: I've grown up with very strong women in my life from the day I was born,
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SPEAKER_01: from my mother and my grandmother and sister and partners.
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SPEAKER_01: So I've got a really deep love and respect for women.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it comes across quite naturally.
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SPEAKER_01: Pretty much every client that approaches me is nervous.
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SPEAKER_01: Most of them have never done this before, never reached out to an escort.
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So the questioning that I asked them,
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as I alluded to earlier,
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like,
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what's brought you here?
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SPEAKER_01: How are you feeling?
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SPEAKER_01: Those questions just disarm them.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just very natural and easy for me.
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SPEAKER_01: And there's never any pressure to do anything, ever.
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SPEAKER_01: So by the time we meet,
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SPEAKER_01: hopefully they've got a good sense that this guy is someone I can trust.
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SPEAKER_01: If not, there's all these other safety mechanisms.
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SPEAKER_01: So we meet in public and I let them know,
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SPEAKER_01: hey,
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tell someone where you're going and who you're going to be with
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and how long you
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expect to be with me so that they've got all of those safety
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dials in place.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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I've had a couple of sensual massages that ended with sort of
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happy endings,
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SPEAKER_00: and I had to sign quite a long consent form around what I was and was not
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SPEAKER_00: comfortable with them doing.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that just inherent consent through the conversation that you have?
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SPEAKER_00: Do you make them sign any written piece of paper?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, what's the sort of legalities around this?
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SPEAKER_01: No,
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SPEAKER_01: look,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't make them sign anything because even if I were to,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know whether that would hold up in a court.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's something on me,
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SPEAKER_01: I think,
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SPEAKER_01: because I do everything I possibly can to make them feel comfortable.
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But there's always the chance that someone will have a less
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than ideal experience,
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SPEAKER_01: and I can't control that.
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But that's an element of risk that I take on and that's why I
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filter very carefully.
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I will always do the very best I can and I will always talk
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around consent.
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SPEAKER_01: I've spent years in this sector
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SPEAKER_01: Sure,
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SPEAKER_01: I've only done this work for a few years,
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but in my private life I've done a lot of work around kink and
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BDSM and consent and
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SPEAKER_01: all these things.
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So it's super important to have the conversations around what
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are your boundaries?
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SPEAKER_01: What are the things I need to know?
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SPEAKER_01: How are we going to communicate around consent?
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Is there anything that might trigger you in this conversation
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or this connection?
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SPEAKER_01: What might be your trauma responses from people-pleasing to fight,
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SPEAKER_01: flight,
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SPEAKER_01: fawn or freeze and how are you going to let me know that?
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SPEAKER_01: So in every possible way
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We've got the best chance of elucidating that and them being
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safe And obviously
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I'll pay attention to body language But if there's someone I've
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not met before I
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SPEAKER_01: can't be 100% guaranteed that I will pick up on their signals So look,
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SPEAKER_01: it's not infallible But I will do my very best And thus far,
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SPEAKER_01: I've not had an issue with it
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SPEAKER_00: And what preconceptions do you think people have about male escorts,
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SPEAKER_00: particularly straight male escorts who work with women?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, first, they think I'm not straight, like I just said before.
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SPEAKER_01: Surely he's got to be bisexual.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm here to guarantee that I am not.
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SPEAKER_01: Actually, I might ask you a question.
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When you think of a male escort as a stereotype,
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what do you think they look like?
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SPEAKER_01: Who are they?
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I suppose in my head I've got some guy that looks a bit like a
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model with a you
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know a six pack and just like really hot and a huge dick
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obviously my six pack is
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SPEAKER_01: the beer in the fridge
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm not hot,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not young,
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I'm not a personal trainer And my clients don't want that
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either Because it's only
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a small number of male escorts to begin with There's at least
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50 times the number
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SPEAKER_01: of female escorts So when you narrow that down,
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the male escorts are very often in their 20s You've got that
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ripped gym body
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they've got their photos of their shirts off and all those things.
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SPEAKER_01: That's not me.
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SPEAKER_01: And my clientele don't want that either.
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SPEAKER_01: Because my average clientele is in their 60s, 70s.
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SPEAKER_01: And they want someone they can have a conversation with.
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They don't want someone who's the age of their son,
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who's got not much going on up here.
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SPEAKER_01: All powers for those guys.
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SPEAKER_01: All respect for them.
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SPEAKER_01: But...
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I think I've got a particular niche and that's what I work on
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and that's what works
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for me yeah I lean into everything that I have and if I were to
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have a I guess a
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memoir from you know that included when I was a teenager I
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wouldn't have thought
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become a male escort in my 50s but here I am I didn't think I
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was going to host a
27:03
podcast about sex for old people either but you know here we
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are George right
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Suzanne is so necessary because what we're talking about are
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things that most
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people don't talk about we are all sexual creatures and what I
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like to say is that
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we are all born because of an orgasm yeah think about it in a
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basic level a man had
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an orgasm that created human life and we get weird and we don't
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talk about it
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SPEAKER_00: No, I agree Why is that?
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And then we create shame and all these terrible things around
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sex when it's just a
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SPEAKER_01: simple act like breathing It's like,
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SPEAKER_01: well,
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SPEAKER_01: yes,
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of course we have sex Of course we do this and we do that And
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so why do we get so
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SPEAKER_01: odd about speaking about it?
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SPEAKER_00: One of the things that's so useful,
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SPEAKER_00: even if a client only has one or two sessions with you,
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SPEAKER_00: is that you're helping them to articulate their sexual needs and desires.
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You're helping them to actually think about their own pleasure
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and you're helping
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them to actually be able to have a proper conversation about
28:14
what they like.
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SPEAKER_00: And as you
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SPEAKER_00: said, and I suspect is very true for a lot of those people.
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SPEAKER_00: This may be the first time that they ever did that.
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And I know during my own marriage,
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we just didn't have those conversations.
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And it wasn't until I left my marriage and started dating and
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realized that
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SPEAKER_00: actually,
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SPEAKER_00: if I wasn't on the same page with somebody with regard to
28:37
How I like to experience sexual pleasure,
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then it just wasn't going to work.
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So there was no point in me going on 50 dates with some guy
28:45
only to find out we get
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SPEAKER_00: into bed together.
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SPEAKER_00: He wants to be submissive.
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SPEAKER_00: I want to be submissive.
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SPEAKER_00: It just doesn't work, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: Something also that I discovered,
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SPEAKER_01: which was a bit of a lesson for me,
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SPEAKER_01: is that I've actually had sex with virgins.
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SPEAKER_01: And as a man in my mid-50s, I never thought I'd have sex with the virgin.
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SPEAKER_01: And why would I?
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SPEAKER_01: So I've had sex with two virgins.
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SPEAKER_01: One is 25.
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SPEAKER_01: The other was 55.
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And I guess what that tells me and what that demonstrates is
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that there's a hidden
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SPEAKER_01: thing of so many people,
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SPEAKER_01: or more people than perhaps you might imagine,
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SPEAKER_01: have not had sex.
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And we just don't talk about that So it's wonderful to be able
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to explore that And
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be a professional in doing what I do And provide that extra
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level of care and
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responsibility I never thought I would have sex with the Virgin
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at my age But if
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they're there and they want that It's something sacred And I
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would pay deep
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SPEAKER_01: attention to that
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SPEAKER_01: And if I can make that first experience really profound,
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SPEAKER_01: that's an honor and a grace to you that I've brought.
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SPEAKER_00: That's unbelievable.
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SPEAKER_00: So when a client leaves your company feeling fantastic,
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what do you hope they're really walking away with beyond the
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experience itself?
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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SPEAKER_01: I see them,
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SPEAKER_01: to quote the Annie Lennox song,
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SPEAKER_01: Walking on Sunshine,
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SPEAKER_01: they're like standing tall,
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SPEAKER_01: they're proud,
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SPEAKER_01: they've got a massive smile and people they know say,
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SPEAKER_01: what's happened?
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SPEAKER_01: What's changed in you?
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SPEAKER_01: Because it's so obvious.
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SPEAKER_01: and I hope that gives them confidence that they are sexy,
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they are attractive and they can get out of their head that
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tells them you're not
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SPEAKER_01: interesting,
30:40
you're not appealing and all these things and I can guarantee
30:44
you this has happened
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many times where they then have the confidence to go out and
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feel comfortable
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Attractive And Appealing To The Universe And To The People
30:55
Around Them And They Can
30:58
Then Move On If They Choose To Date And Experience This
31:02
Affection I've Just Been
31:03
The Stepping Stone To Help Them Get There And That's The
31:07
Biggest Gear Dives From
31:07
Gift It's Beautiful That's Lovely Well There's Nothing Like
31:11
That Great Feeling Is
31:12
SPEAKER_00: There When You've Been Royally Fucked Anyway Just Saying
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SPEAKER_00: It's been so lovely to chat with you.
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Have a fantastic evening in Australia and we'll post your
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socials and everything if
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SPEAKER_00: anybody wants to get in touch with George and experience his delights.
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SPEAKER_01: Anyhow, I'd be delighted.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm very open and I welcome any and all questions and conversations.
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SPEAKER_01: So thank you so much.
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