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Sharri | 28 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening Tonight, Australian icon itite Buttrose enters the debate
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Speaker 3: on multiculturalism. She says it's no longer a matter of
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Speaker 3: pride for our country and she warns our nation is
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Speaker 3: fraying at the edges. I'll bring you EITI's strong words
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Speaker 3: on multiculturalism. In a moment, Susan Lee demands Albanezi apologize
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Speaker 3: for wearing a T shirt of a band named after
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Speaker 3: the wing where Jewish women were kept as sex slaves
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Speaker 3: during the Holocaust. His poor taste knows no bounds. But
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Speaker 3: will the Prime Minister apologize? Steve Price and Holly Hughes
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Speaker 3: will discuss shortly as secret dossier confirms power prices are
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Speaker 3: set to rise. This is the country's largest aluminium smelter
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Speaker 3: faces closure over soaring energy bills. Dantean will be live
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Speaker 3: from Canberra for first Tonightustralian icon ite Butcho's has entered
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Speaker 3: the debate about multiculturalism in her new memoir in strong language.
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Speaker 3: The former Australian of the Year also calls for federal
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Speaker 3: government leadership on the issue of antisemitism, and she expresses
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Speaker 3: dismay about the violent protests that have unfolded on our streets.
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Speaker 3: Ite Butcher's Rights in her book, and I'm quoting here,
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Speaker 3: multicultural Australia.
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Speaker 4: Was once a matter of pride, but not any longer.
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Speaker 3: Australia used to be considered one of the best multicultural
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Speaker 3: societies in the world. But following the terror attack on
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Speaker 3: Ripenley Synagogue in Melbourne in December twenty twenty four, Federal
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Speaker 3: Opposition leader Susan Lee summed up what many Australians were
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Speaker 3: thinking when she said that our once harmonious, multicultural nation
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Speaker 3: doesn't feel that way anymore. Our nation is fraying at
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Speaker 3: the edges. An Ite Butcher's Rights that the Israel Hamas
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Speaker 3: War and other Middle East conflicts have resulted in racial
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Speaker 3: and religious divisions and sometimes violent protests in our capital cities,
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Speaker 3: she writes.
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Speaker 4: In her memoir Out Today.
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Speaker 3: Most Australians don't have a problem with peaceful protests, but
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Speaker 3: violent protests are not the Australian way and are more
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Speaker 3: likely to alienate.
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Speaker 4: People, including supporters.
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Speaker 3: Now you'll recall the former Prime Ministers John Howard, Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 3: Tony Abbott Turnbull, Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd, who issued
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Speaker 3: a joint letter urging an end to hate after the
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Speaker 3: October seven attacks. Well Adebacho's rites of the lack of
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Speaker 3: leadership in the past two years.
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Speaker 4: She says six former.
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Speaker 3: Australian Prime ministers showed the kind of leadership missing in
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Speaker 3: Australia in recent time times when in twenty twenty three
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Speaker 3: they urged for an end to religious hatred and letting
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Speaker 3: the Israel Gaza conflict divide Australians. She says, I would
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Speaker 3: like to see this message repeated over and over again
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Speaker 3: by all governments, but particularly the Federal government. It's an
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Speaker 3: extremely important point. Yet journalists largely ignore her crucial message
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Speaker 3: and instead complain that she hasn't written about the self
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Speaker 3: promoting pro Palestinian activist Antoinette Letouf. They're obsessed with an
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Speaker 3: anti Israel agitator who has given the flick a couple
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Speaker 3: of days into a five day job. This activist doesn't
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Speaker 3: warrant a mention in the grand tale of Aita's life
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Speaker 3: story because it's an irrelevant episode in her extraordinary life
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Speaker 3: and career. Iter Bacho's is a towering figure in Australian
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Speaker 3: journalism and media. Her book Unapologetically Ita tells her life
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Speaker 3: story and she is a trailblazer. She launched Cleo magazine
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Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy two, famously introducing the nude male centerfold.
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Speaker 3: In this interview with the old ABC program This Day
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Speaker 3: to Night from nineteen seventy five, you can see her
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Speaker 3: editing cover lance, you've.
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Speaker 4: Been out of focus here. I'll put another one on.
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Speaker 5: Why can't we ever get them smiling?
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Speaker 4: They always think of again?
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Speaker 6: Was flatkin Room.
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Speaker 3: Launching Cleo was a controversial idea at the time. It
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Speaker 3: was high risk for what was considered a conservative Australian market.
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Speaker 3: It to work closely with Kerrie Packer as they created
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Speaker 3: the magazine.
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Speaker 2: Well clear was important for Carrie.
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Speaker 5: It was his first big challenge, was first major success,
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Speaker 5: and he wanted it to work.
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Speaker 3: She was always sparkling and strong and committed to journalism.
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Speaker 3: After editing Cleo, she took on the editorship of the
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Speaker 3: Australian Women's Weekly.
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Speaker 7: I've certainly meant obstacles.
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Speaker 5: I've certainly had staff who thought, what is a woman
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Speaker 5: doing here?
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Speaker 4: This is a job for a bloke. What's a woman
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Speaker 4: doing here? There is always a way around obstacles.
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Speaker 3: An item now reveals in her book that not long
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Speaker 3: after she launched CLEO, she had to tell Sir Frank
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Speaker 3: and Kerry Packer that she was pregnant, and she writes.
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Speaker 4: They were horrified.
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Speaker 3: CLEO was a major investment and in the seventies, pregnancy
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Speaker 3: was seen as some kind of illness. Kerry actually rang
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Speaker 3: me and said he and his father thought I hadn't
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Speaker 3: read closely enough a story that was in Cleo's first.
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Speaker 4: Issue, How much do you know about contraception?
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Speaker 3: There are many funny and juicy stories of her book,
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Speaker 3: from claims Network ten plan to sack a woman because
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Speaker 3: she was pregnant, and also complaints it prudential that the
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Speaker 3: men could no longer swear or tell jokes around her.
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Speaker 3: But there's one lingering question Eiter doesn't speak about. While
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Speaker 3: the media wrongly focuses on the tooth, there is a
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Speaker 3: far more fascinating emission from Eitter's book. She doesn't address
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Speaker 3: the nature of her relationship with Kerry Packer. Author Gerald
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Speaker 3: Stone claimed in his book Who Killed Channel Nine that
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Speaker 3: Kerry Packer fell madly in love with Buttrose in his
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Speaker 3: thirties while they worked together launching CLEO. Stone claimed Packer
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Speaker 3: was besotted with Buttrose, writing that Their relationship was a
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Speaker 3: secret from Sydney society, but became a talking point in London.
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Speaker 3: In his book, he wrote, during his lengthy stays in
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Speaker 3: his suite at the Dorchester, a besotted Packer made no
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Speaker 3: ada tempt to hide his feelings from Eta, from close
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Speaker 3: British friends like financier Jimmy Goldsmith and John aspinall sharing
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Speaker 3: the heady thrill of success was a natural catalyst for
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Speaker 3: a torrid office romance. Given time and public exposure, the
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Speaker 3: relationship of two such strong personalities might well have developed
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Speaker 3: into the kind of high voltage match reminiscent of a
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Speaker 3: Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor. Now, when Stone's book was released,
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Speaker 3: I asked Eita whether this was true, and she said
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Speaker 3: at the time about Kerry Packer, he's dead. We should
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Speaker 3: leave him there. That was eighteen years ago. She was
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Speaker 3: understandably annoyed at Gerald Stone for writing about her private life,
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Speaker 3: and she hasn't ever addressed the claim, and she doesn't
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Speaker 3: do so in her memoir either. Now, personally, Ite was
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Speaker 3: incredibly generous to me when I edited Cleo magazine in
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Speaker 3: twenty thirteen. She took the time to come over for
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Speaker 3: tea and shared her wisdom about cover lines and editing
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Speaker 3: the magazine that she found it. She also had me
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Speaker 3: on her Studio ten program and we shared memories. When
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Speaker 3: Cleo folded a few years later under the troubled new
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Speaker 3: ownership of German media company Bauer, Ita was most recently
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Speaker 3: ABC chair. She also worked for Rupert Murdoch as editor
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Speaker 3: in chief at the Daily and Sunday Telegraph, and she
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Speaker 3: writes in her book of advice Murdock gave her about newspapers.
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Speaker 3: But in my view, ITA's main achievements aren't so much
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Speaker 3: in the senior editorial positions that she held, but how
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Speaker 3: she's broken ground for women in so many areas of life.
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Speaker 3: She removed taboos about sex, marriage, menopause, aging, and now disability.
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Speaker 3: In her book, she speaks openly about the challenges of
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Speaker 3: suffering from frozen gate disorder after having back surgery. She
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Speaker 3: says she could walk before the surgery. Now she jokes
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Speaker 3: about having to give up wearing heels, writing looking at
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Speaker 3: the world through the lens of a flatties wearer is
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Speaker 3: not quite the same. But then she writes very seriously
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Speaker 3: about adjusting to life in a wheelchair, and she says
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Speaker 3: how embarrassed she was Initially, she writes, am I angry
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Speaker 3: about what has happened to me? Yes, I am. My
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Speaker 3: independence has been compromised. I never imagined my older years
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Speaker 3: being a time when I'd be unable to walk properly.
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Speaker 3: The one thing I loved was going walking. And she
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Speaker 3: misses gardening, especially her beautiful roses and camellias. She even
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Speaker 3: had to sell her country property because she couldn't look
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Speaker 3: after it herself anymore. Now, as Australians, we've all followed
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Speaker 3: EIA's life through its different phases, and she's always been
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Speaker 3: incredibly strong, tough and persistent. She is a legendary figure,
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Speaker 3: an Australian icon, and we're with her now in this
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Speaker 3: next chapter of her life. Now tonight I can reveal
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Speaker 3: that the Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi asked the media not
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Speaker 3: to film him when he disembarked from his VIP plane
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Speaker 3: from Washington wearing the highly controversial Joy Division T shirt.
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Speaker 3: I'm told that Albanezi said he was tired, he didn't
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Speaker 3: want to put on a suit, and he obviously didn't
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Speaker 3: want to be filmed in.
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Speaker 4: That T shirt.
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Speaker 3: Now, last night on this show, I explained the meaning
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Speaker 3: of the band name Joy Division. Now, the band Joy
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Speaker 3: Division took its name from a wing of a Nazi
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Speaker 3: concentration camp where women were sex slaves.
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Speaker 4: It was where female.
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Speaker 3: Jews were forced into prostitution for the Nazis, and the
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Speaker 3: Nazis called this wing the Joy Division.
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Speaker 4: Self explanatory now.
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Speaker 3: I initially gave Albanzi the benefit of the doubt and
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Speaker 3: assumed he didn't know the meaning of the name and
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Speaker 3: that would be fair enough. But then it turned out
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Speaker 3: that industry figure Nigel Marsh told him precisely what Joy
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Speaker 3: Division meant just three years ago when ALBINIZI was campaigning
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Speaker 3: to be Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: I've always had an issue with the band's name, and
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Speaker 8: I don't know how to resolve that, so I thought,
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Speaker 8: slightly guilty. You know where the name comes from? No,
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Speaker 8: I don't, actually, well, I am slightly nervous in telling
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Speaker 8: you because I don't want to spoil it for you.
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Speaker 8: But the it's awful. In nineteen fifty five, a Holocaust
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Speaker 8: survivor wrote a book called The House of Dolts, and
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Speaker 8: it's about, you know, unfortunately, the truth of the Germans.
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Speaker 8: In the concentration camps had divisions of women who were
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Speaker 8: forced into enslaved prostitution for the ESSs and that they
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Speaker 8: were called Joy Divisions. Oh my god. Yeah, and so
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Speaker 8: that's that's where they got their name from. And I
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Speaker 8: mean I didn't know that for years.
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Speaker 6: Well I wish I didn't.
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm so sorry to tell you, but but the
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Speaker 8: thing very dark.
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Speaker 6: Everything about the band was so dark.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and obviously they were. They were, you know, just
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Speaker 8: trying to choose the most shocking name they can. I'm
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Speaker 8: sorry for sorry for giving you that piece of dark background.
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Speaker 6: You should edit that out of the podcast just for
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Speaker 6: the sake of the listeners so that they can continue
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Speaker 6: to enjoy it. But that was so dark.
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Speaker 3: As I said last night, you can't add history or
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Speaker 3: delete the truth.
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Speaker 4: Because it's not convenient to you.
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Speaker 3: So, despite knowing the meaning of the T shirt, Albanezi
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Speaker 3: chose to wear it when he disembarked after the most
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Speaker 3: important trip of his career to meet the President of
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Speaker 3: the United States, and now I'm telling you that he
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Speaker 3: asked the media not to film him. Opposition leader Susan
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Speaker 3: Lee saw my report about this from last night and
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Speaker 3: she was so angered by it that she raised.
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Speaker 4: It in a speech in Parliament today.
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Speaker 5: He knew, he understood, and still he wore the T shirt.
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Speaker 5: So to wear that name across your chest is not
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Speaker 5: just a statement of musical taste and it is more
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Speaker 5: than bad taste. It raises questions about values, the wrong values,
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Speaker 5: and it is a profound failure of judgment.
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Speaker 4: And Susan Lee also demanded an apology from the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 5: He should apologize immediately and explain time.
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Speaker 4: Will he apologize? I mean, how can he? Not?
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Speaker 3: Wearing this T shirt sends a strong signal to anti semites.
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Speaker 3: It's deeply insensitive also because it's about the sexual abuse
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Speaker 3: of women. And as Susan Lee says, he can't claim
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Speaker 3: ignorance because he's on record knowing what it means and
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Speaker 3: asking Nigel Marsh the podcaster, to edit it out. And
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Speaker 3: that's typical of Albanese's approach. Turn a blind eye, pretend
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Speaker 3: you don't know anything. These aren't the qualities of a leader,
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Speaker 3: certainly not the qualities of a prime minister. Now, Australia's
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Speaker 3: largest Staleminian smelter could shut down in just two years
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Speaker 3: as it struggles to afford rising energy costs. The Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister has been left red face because he stood outside
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Speaker 3: Tomago Smelter in January this year, claiming it was an
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Speaker 3: example of his Made in Australia policy.
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Speaker 9: This is my third visit to Tomogo because this is
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Speaker 9: such an important facility and essentially it's about people, It's
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Speaker 9: about the jobs that are created here. I'll speak a
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Speaker 9: lot about building Australia's future. This is what a future
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Speaker 9: made in Australia looks like. Now we need to make
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Speaker 9: sure that just as tom Agail has produced this incredible
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Speaker 9: quality aluminium for forty years, it can continue for the
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Speaker 9: next forty years.
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Speaker 3: Now this is an important smelter because it produces forty
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Speaker 3: percent of our country's aluminium. Sky Political editor Andrew Clenell
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Speaker 3: said this was embarrassing for alban.
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Speaker 2: Easy but from that in January, look at this place.
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Speaker 2: This is future made in Australia.
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Speaker 10: To this, well, we will continue, we will continue, we will.
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Speaker 4: And Susan Lee grilled Chris Bowen on this in question time.
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Speaker 5: How can labor promise a future made in Australia when
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Speaker 5: all it actually delivers is future shutdowns, future job losses
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Speaker 5: and higher energy prices.
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Speaker 11: Rio and Tomogo have today announced the beginning of a
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Speaker 11: consultation about the future of the tom Egage smelter, and
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Speaker 11: it is true. It is true that they referred to
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Speaker 11: energy prices in that announcement.
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Speaker 3: And this all came on the same day that Chris
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Speaker 3: Bowen finally released a secret climate briefing that his department
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Speaker 3: tried to keep under wraps. It's heavily reducted and it
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Speaker 3: reveals that electricity prices are likely to rise and that
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Speaker 3: emission's reductions would need to accelerate rapidly to meet the
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Speaker 3: twenty thirty target. Now Bowen struggled to answer questions on
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Speaker 3: this today.
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Speaker 5: Did this minister do everything he could to hide this
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Speaker 5: document from the Australian public instead of doing everything he
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Speaker 5: could to reduce power prices by two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 5: five dollars.
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Speaker 11: The minister Ken's say, well, it should be released in
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Speaker 11: the transparent fashion.
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Speaker 7: The Minster can do that. That's what I did. Here's
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Speaker 7: the press release.
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Speaker 12: From me.
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Speaker 3: Okay to discuss with me now is fromer Liberal senator
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Speaker 3: Holly Hughes and Sky News host Steve Price.
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Speaker 4: Great to see you both, Holly.
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Speaker 3: This was a shocking day for Chris Bowen when it
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Speaker 3: comes to energy prices and an embarrassment for the government
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Speaker 3: that Toma go faces closure.
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Speaker 13: I mean, it just shows how completely out of touch
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Speaker 13: and delusional Chris Bowen is and the fact that he's
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Speaker 13: actually quoted today saying we need more access to renewables
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Speaker 13: for cheaper and the most reliable form of power. It's
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Speaker 13: actually the least reliable form of power. And I know
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Speaker 13: you've got Dante in on later some stage. We have
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Speaker 13: to live this nuclear moratorium. Just today you're looking at
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Speaker 13: Amazons looking at small modular reactors nuclear reactors to power
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Speaker 13: their AI centers and the data centers there. We need
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Speaker 13: to seriously embrace proper technology when it comes to produce
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Speaker 13: energy and not this race to renewables that Chris Bowen
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Speaker 13: is killing our country over. Tomagoy is the most incredible place.
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Speaker 13: I've gone to it many many times. I took former
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Speaker 13: Prime Minister Scott Morrison there when I was looking after
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Speaker 13: the Hunter and the thing about Toma Gooy as a smelter,
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Speaker 13: it can't be turned off and then ever turned back
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Speaker 13: on again. It just doesn't work that way. It needs
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Speaker 13: to keep operating and it is really part of the
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Speaker 13: heart and soul of the Hunter region. And you know
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Speaker 13: they cannot claim to bring back industry that they're going
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Speaker 13: to have an Australian, made in Australian future. But it's
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Speaker 13: national security, it's all of those issues around making sure
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Speaker 13: that we are capable ourselves, and they are doing everything
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Speaker 13: they can to make it impossible for Australians to survive
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Speaker 13: in business.
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Speaker 3: Steve, there seems to be this disconnect between what the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister says about manufacturing made in Australia and then
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Speaker 3: the reality for industry and business.
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Speaker 10: He bragged there about how he'd been to Tomogo three times.
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Speaker 10: I bet there won't be a fourth visit. That won't
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Speaker 10: be happening. And you've got to sit here today and
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Speaker 10: say to yourself, well, what's he going to say. What's
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Speaker 10: Chris Bowen going to say to those workers who are
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Speaker 10: now sitting there thinking, well, I do have a job
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Speaker 10: for another year, to I have a job for two
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Speaker 10: more years. PM was here with the local members of Parliament.
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Speaker 10: They're all standing around behind him, nodding, saying how great
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Speaker 10: it was, and this is the future of made in Australia. Well,
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Speaker 10: this is the future of what's going to happen, as
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Speaker 10: Holly said, if we continue to go down the road
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Speaker 10: that Chris Bowen's determined to drive us down. I mean,
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Speaker 10: this bloke just has no shame. He stands up in
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Speaker 10: question time answer to a perfectly natural question about this
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Speaker 10: document and raves on about how he sent out a
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Speaker 10: press release. I mean, seriously, you have to really worry
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Speaker 10: about manufacturing in Australia. It is going out the door.
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Speaker 10: It's too expensive to make things here. People are moving overseas,
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Speaker 10: companies are taking investment out of the country, and we're
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Speaker 10: not making stuff. And it just goes against this whole
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Speaker 10: narrative that Anthony alban Easy came back from the US
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Speaker 10: with after that meeting with Donald Trump about rare earths.
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Speaker 10: If you can't keep Tomago open, Shari and Holly, how
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Speaker 10: the hell are you going to refine rare earths to
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Speaker 10: the point when they.
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Speaker 2: Can be used.
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Speaker 3: And just also this continual claim that electricity prices are falling.
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Speaker 4: They're falling, and then you.
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Speaker 3: Hear from tom Ago that one of the reasons they
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Speaker 3: might not be able to stay open is because of
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Speaker 3: the high energy costs. You know, it's like Chris Bohm
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Speaker 3: can just say things and think that they're going to
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Speaker 3: be true, but it's living.
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Speaker 4: In an alternate universe.
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Speaker 8: To the rest of us.
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Speaker 3: It's not the reality that businesses and families are facing.
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Speaker 4: I'm keen to get both of your reaction to.
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Speaker 3: This report that I had on Albanez's T shirt, the
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Speaker 3: Joy Division T shirt.
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Speaker 4: Holly, you know, fair enough. If he didn't know, but
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Speaker 4: he knew.
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Speaker 13: He knew, he absolutely knew. But I mean, it's just
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Speaker 13: embarrassing that our Prime minister thinks it's appropriate to ever
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Speaker 13: walk out in a T shirt.
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Speaker 4: Of a band.
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Speaker 13: I mean, you know, you hear the expression mutton dressed
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Speaker 13: up as lamb. I mean, the guys in his sixties,
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Speaker 13: grow up mate dress appropriately for the job. But the
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Speaker 13: fact that he knows, and the fact that he said
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Speaker 13: to the podcaster, you know, you maybe edit this out.
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Speaker 13: This is a guy who claims that he's all about transparency,
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Speaker 13: yet he didn't want people to know that. And I
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Speaker 13: just the guy's a flog.
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Speaker 7: I mean, he just is.
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Speaker 13: But it is a terrible message at a time when
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Speaker 13: Jewish Australians are feeling absolute desperation and he goes and
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Speaker 13: wears something that he's so anti Semitic.
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Speaker 4: It's disgraceful and look.
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Speaker 3: Fair enough, a lot of people like the band and
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Speaker 3: like the music Steve. But he's the Prime Minister returning
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Speaker 3: home after the most significant meeting and trip of his
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Speaker 3: prime ministership.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's stupid. I mean, you know the moment Nigel
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Speaker 10: Marsh told Anthony Albanezi the reality behind the name of
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Speaker 10: this outfit and I'd never even heard of them until
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Speaker 10: he started. You go home, clean out your drawers and
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Speaker 10: throw all those T shirts in the bin, don't you.
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Speaker 10: I mean, you don't keep them. And why would you
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Speaker 10: pack that T shirt in your suitcase on PM one
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Speaker 10: to fly over to the United States on the most
22:07
Speaker 10: important meeting of your life. I mean, I wouldn't imagine
22:10
Speaker 10: unless you were going out exercising, that you would take
22:13
Speaker 10: a T shirt like that with you. It's a conscious
22:16
Speaker 10: decision to put that Joy Division shirt in a back
22:21
Speaker 10: now he's presumably packed himself, someone else hasn't packed it
22:24
Speaker 10: for him. And then to walk off the plane and
22:27
Speaker 10: fancy being naive enough to say, don't film me getting off. Yeah,
22:31
Speaker 10: I mean, you've just been in the news every day
22:34
Speaker 10: for the last week because you've been on this overseas
22:37
Speaker 10: trip that's so important. People want to see. The full
22:39
Speaker 10: stop in Hollywood know this to the trip when you
22:42
Speaker 10: get back, you come down the stairs, you wave in
22:44
Speaker 10: jubilation about what you've been able to achieve. I mean,
22:47
Speaker 10: the guy has no common sense, just beyond belief and his.
22:52
Speaker 4: Claim that he's tired.
22:53
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like the rest of us flying economy,
22:55
Speaker 3: where you know you don't sleep. He's on a VIP,
22:58
Speaker 3: he's got a beat. He can sleep anyway, Steve, I
23:01
Speaker 3: just want to stick with you for a second because
23:04
Speaker 3: I want Keen to ask about this story. In the
23:05
Speaker 3: Herald Sun today they revealed that Indigenous Victorians are receiving
23:09
Speaker 3: fast tracked care over other patients Atison Vincent's hospital, so
23:15
Speaker 3: staff have been ordered to treat all First Nation patients
23:18
Speaker 3: within thirty.
23:19
Speaker 4: Minutes of arrival.
23:21
Speaker 3: This is pretty outrageous because it should be the case
23:25
Speaker 3: that the most sick patients are treated first emergency critical condition,
23:31
Speaker 3: regardless of your ethnicity or race.
23:36
Speaker 10: One hundred percent. It's more than outrageous. The hospitals now
23:39
Speaker 10: confirmed it. So if you present at Saint Vincent's emergency
23:43
Speaker 10: department and you identify as Indigenous, you go from level
23:47
Speaker 10: three to level four, which means it cuts the waiting
23:50
Speaker 10: time for you to be triarched. Now, when I read that,
23:53
Speaker 10: I thought, well, hang on, aren't you triarged when you
23:55
Speaker 10: go to an emergency department based on how sick you are,
23:58
Speaker 10: how urgent you're treatment is. So I just couldn't work
24:02
Speaker 10: that out. So I expected the Premier to Cinda Allen,
24:04
Speaker 10: to come out today and go, oh, well, no, this
24:07
Speaker 10: has been misreported, it's not true, it's not happening. Well,
24:10
Speaker 10: she came out and defended it and said that Indigenous
24:14
Speaker 10: people need to be treated more quickly than anyone else.
24:16
Speaker 10: I mean, I was staggered when she came out, and
24:19
Speaker 10: it takes a lot for me to be surprised about
24:21
Speaker 10: the stupid things Jacinda Allen says. She comes out today
24:24
Speaker 10: and defends it. And I should tell you and Holly
24:27
Speaker 10: that probably by Friday, maybe even by Thursday, the treaty
24:33
Speaker 10: legislation in Victoria with Indigenous Victorians will pass the Parliament
24:38
Speaker 10: both houses. We will then have a treaty which will
24:42
Speaker 10: establish an alternative voice to the Victorian Parliament. To the Parliament,
24:46
Speaker 10: we have the very thing we voted against in the
24:48
Speaker 10: Voice referendum.
24:49
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, there are just no
24:52
Speaker 3: words to describe.
24:53
Speaker 4: Just into Allen's Victoria.
24:56
Speaker 3: I want to finish by asking you about your next
24:58
Speaker 3: venture post politics. This is very exciting and I have
25:01
Speaker 3: to say unexpected.
25:03
Speaker 4: Very unexpected. This was unexpected to us as well.
25:06
Speaker 13: So we started out last week in our new venture
25:10
Speaker 13: in the Hotel Alexander, the Rydal pub.
25:13
Speaker 4: So you've bought a part. We bought a pub.
25:15
Speaker 13: We moved out there last week, so we're in the
25:17
Speaker 13: transition of moving and it's been fantastic. The locals have
25:21
Speaker 13: been amazing.
25:22
Speaker 10: That was me.
25:23
Speaker 13: The photo was me pouring my first beer and I
25:26
Speaker 13: actually managed to back it up with another one with
25:28
Speaker 13: just as good a head on it. We had line
25:30
Speaker 13: dancing pumps you and the girls on Saturday night. Now, look,
25:34
Speaker 13: it's been amazing.
25:34
Speaker 1: It's exhausting.
25:35
Speaker 4: Which pub is it. It's the hotel.
25:38
Speaker 13: It's the Hotel Alexander in Ridal, so it's on Bathist Street.
25:42
Speaker 1: It's part of the Bathist back roads.
25:45
Speaker 13: It's a beautiful, beautiful part of the world. When we
25:48
Speaker 13: drove down we had to come down to Sydney today
25:49
Speaker 13: and left with the fire roaring. It was a very
25:52
Speaker 13: chilly day.
25:53
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful pub it so it's a hundred visit.
25:55
Speaker 3: You'll be pulling a beer cooking the mistake, well until.
25:58
Speaker 13: I can find a cook having the cook And let
26:01
Speaker 13: me tell you my fourteen year old son was a
26:03
Speaker 13: rock star helping me on the weekend. But off to
26:06
Speaker 13: costs go tomorrow, ready for another big weekend.
26:09
Speaker 3: All right, Well, look forward to seeing you and in
26:11
Speaker 3: for a chatter sight of politics.
26:13
Speaker 13: Absolutely be politics in the pub literally all.
26:17
Speaker 3: Right, Holly Steve, great to see you vote. All right well,
26:21
Speaker 3: Shadow Energy Minister Dante and joins me. Now, Dan, good
26:25
Speaker 3: to see you, and of course you're live in Canberra
26:27
Speaker 3: for the sitting week.
26:28
Speaker 4: Now.
26:28
Speaker 3: I'm going to get to tome Ago in a moment,
26:31
Speaker 3: but I just want to ask you about the coalition's
26:33
Speaker 3: position on net zero by twenty fifty. This is tearing
26:36
Speaker 3: apart the Liberal Party.
26:38
Speaker 4: When will you have a position?
26:42
Speaker 14: Well, obviously we're going through a process, Shahi, as your
26:47
Speaker 14: listeners know, so that began a few months ago. I've
26:51
Speaker 14: been conducting briefings with my colleagues. We'll have another discussion
26:57
Speaker 14: on Friday. I've obviously being so consulting widely with industry.
27:01
Speaker 14: I was in Western Australia last week in New South
27:05
Speaker 14: Wales in South Australia, making sure that we're getting out there.
27:10
Speaker 1: Talking to industry.
27:12
Speaker 14: Obviously, are you any closer their electorates?
27:16
Speaker 4: Are you any closer to a final position?
27:20
Speaker 14: Well, obviously, very keen to make sure that everyone gets
27:25
Speaker 14: their view when it comes to the party room, and
27:29
Speaker 14: Friday is another step in that direction. We've been doing
27:32
Speaker 14: it by first we looked at gas, we've been looking
27:36
Speaker 14: at nuclear, we've been looking at a missions reduction.
27:39
Speaker 1: So we've been working through a process.
27:41
Speaker 14: I made a commitment to all the colleagues that I
27:45
Speaker 14: wanted to hear their views.
27:46
Speaker 1: They're keen to hear the views of others.
27:48
Speaker 14: And the most important thing here is that we get
27:52
Speaker 14: it right. As we've seen today, five thousand jobs.
27:56
Speaker 1: Are now on the line a tome Ago.
27:59
Speaker 14: That's what that's important. That's why we've got to take
28:02
Speaker 14: our time and get this right because energy is absolutely
28:07
Speaker 14: crucial and vital to the future of this nation. And
28:10
Speaker 14: we've seen today that for five thousand workers there's now
28:16
Speaker 14: huge doubt as to their future. And that's after the
28:20
Speaker 14: Prime Minister went to tom Ago in January, looked those
28:24
Speaker 14: workers in the eye and said, what you do here
28:29
Speaker 14: is what a future.
28:30
Speaker 1: Made in Australia looks like.
28:32
Speaker 14: Well, Sadly for them now that promise and that commitment
28:37
Speaker 14: seems worthless. And what I think needs to happen is
28:41
Speaker 14: the Prime Minister needs to go back to tom Ago.
28:44
Speaker 14: He needs to look those workers in the eye and
28:47
Speaker 14: say I'm going to secure your future and I'm going
28:50
Speaker 14: to remove the problem which is Chris Bowen, because he
28:54
Speaker 14: should be the one who doesn't have his job rather
28:59
Speaker 14: than these five workers. Because it's those higher energy prices
29:03
Speaker 14: that have caused this.
29:04
Speaker 3: When you say secure your future, do you think the
29:06
Speaker 3: Abenezi government should be providing subsidies of some type time
29:13
Speaker 3: ago to help them.
29:16
Speaker 14: Well, the first thing they need to do is drive
29:18
Speaker 14: energy prices down because that's what's causing all the issues.
29:22
Speaker 14: And they've also got to look at ways that they
29:25
Speaker 14: can work with the smelter to secure its future. Now
29:30
Speaker 14: you and your listeners might recall that Portland Aluminum were
29:35
Speaker 14: very concerned about their long term future. When we're in government,
29:39
Speaker 14: I work very closely with Angus Taylor and we're actually
29:43
Speaker 14: able to work closely with the Victorian State government to
29:46
Speaker 14: come up with an arrangement which secured their long term
29:50
Speaker 14: future while we made sure we continue to put downward
29:53
Speaker 14: pressure on energy prices.
29:55
Speaker 3: So do you think the governments we're not saying for subsidies,
29:58
Speaker 3: is that your position?
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Speaker 14: Well, what we're saying is that the government a first
30:05
Speaker 14: of all, needs to be able to demonstrate to Tomogo
30:09
Speaker 14: and to Rio Tinto that there is a long term
30:14
Speaker 14: future for the smelter and the only way they can
30:17
Speaker 14: do that is by demonstrating that there's going to be
30:20
Speaker 14: affordable energy available to that smelter in the future. That's
30:25
Speaker 14: the key to this. That's what we were able to
30:28
Speaker 14: do with Portland Aluminum. Now, if Chris Bowen continues his
30:32
Speaker 14: reckless renewables rollout, which is trying to get renewables to
30:37
Speaker 14: eighty two percent of our grid by twenty thirty, and
30:40
Speaker 14: we know that international experience says that's going to continue
30:43
Speaker 14: to drive energy prices through the roof, there is no
30:46
Speaker 14: way known he is going to be able to secure
30:49
Speaker 14: the long term future of Tomogo.
30:52
Speaker 3: The issue is the focus isn't on the Albanezi government
30:56
Speaker 3: in the media at the moment. It's on the shambles
30:58
Speaker 3: of the Liberal Party, on Andrew Hasty, on Barnaby Joyce,
31:01
Speaker 3: all over net zero down. Do you admit that every
31:04
Speaker 3: day the Liberal Party doesn't have a position on that zero.
31:08
Speaker 4: It prolongs this disunity.
31:12
Speaker 14: Well, the key here, Shari, is that we have got
31:16
Speaker 14: to be able to hold the government to account on
31:19
Speaker 14: the shambles which is their energy policy, and the shambles
31:24
Speaker 14: that is the labor need zero way, which is a
31:28
Speaker 14: complete nutter shambles, which has seen electricity go up by
31:31
Speaker 14: thirty nine percent.
31:33
Speaker 1: We've got grit instability.
31:35
Speaker 4: You've agreed down your own policy.
31:39
Speaker 3: So is it unlikely you'll retain support for net zero
31:43
Speaker 3: by twenty fifty?
31:44
Speaker 4: Is that where you're moving towards?
31:46
Speaker 14: Well, Shari, Obviously, I'm going through a process at the moment,
31:50
Speaker 14: and I'm working with my colleagues to make sure we
31:53
Speaker 14: get our policy right now. This policy is incredibly important
31:58
Speaker 14: for the nation's long term future, and if we don't
32:01
Speaker 14: get it right, sadly, we might see more incidents like
32:05
Speaker 14: we've seen in the last twenty four hours when it
32:07
Speaker 14: comes to tom Ago.
32:09
Speaker 1: So what we've got to do is make sure we
32:11
Speaker 1: get it right.
32:11
Speaker 14: And I can tell you already the colleagues are absolutely
32:15
Speaker 14: committed to making sure that we can throw all technology
32:19
Speaker 14: at our energy, at our energy supply.
32:21
Speaker 1: So policy the very committed to make sure.
32:25
Speaker 3: There's reports that Susan Lee's leadership is at stake. The
32:29
Speaker 3: Nationals are talking about quitting the coalition partnership because you
32:33
Speaker 3: don't have a policy yet.
32:36
Speaker 14: Well, Shari, as I've said, we've got to make sure
32:39
Speaker 14: that we get the policy right. That is the most
32:42
Speaker 14: important thing that we can do, because it's about securing
32:47
Speaker 14: the long term future of this STA and that is
32:50
Speaker 14: what Well, We've obviously got to make sure that we
32:55
Speaker 14: take the time to get it right. Now while we're
32:58
Speaker 14: doing that, at how time thing to stop it? You
33:01
Speaker 14: have a policy, Charie, Well, Shari, I am focused on
33:06
Speaker 14: making sure that we get the policy right, and I
33:10
Speaker 14: will do that and continue to do that my colleagues
33:14
Speaker 14: to make sure we get that outcome. I've said my
33:19
Speaker 14: hope was that we would and this was in May,
33:21
Speaker 14: that we would have something to announce in six to
33:24
Speaker 14: nine months. So obviously I'm still working to that timeframe.
33:29
Speaker 14: The colleagues have been fantastic in the way that they're
33:32
Speaker 14: participating and putting their views in because they know and
33:36
Speaker 14: understand how.
33:37
Speaker 1: Crucial this is.
33:38
Speaker 4: All right, Dante, and really appreciate your time.
33:40
Speaker 3: Thank you now still to come at Trump declares Rubio
33:44
Speaker 3: and JD. Vance should lead the Republican Party after his presidency,
33:48
Speaker 3: And shocking figures show sixty percent of small businesses have
33:52
Speaker 3: falling profits. That's next, welcome back. A new survey from
34:02
Speaker 3: the Council of Small Business Organizations has revealed how small
34:06
Speaker 3: businesses holding up under the Albanezy government.
34:10
Speaker 4: Now more than.
34:10
Speaker 3: Sixty percent have reported a drop in profits, and that's
34:14
Speaker 3: just from last financial year, while ninety three percent of
34:19
Speaker 3: owners had copped rising operating costs. Now, the chair of
34:23
Speaker 3: the group that undertook this research, Matthew Addison, joins me. Now, Matthew,
34:26
Speaker 3: great to see you again. So why is small business
34:29
Speaker 3: struggling to such an extent under the current government?
34:34
Speaker 15: What we have very loyal, dedicated business owners who look
34:40
Speaker 15: to look after their teams and look after their customers.
34:43
Speaker 15: So they are very reluctant to put their prices up.
34:46
Speaker 15: But they're doing that in a environment where their costs
34:50
Speaker 15: are increasing. If we look at things like the cost
34:53
Speaker 15: of their insurance premiums, we look at things like the
34:56
Speaker 15: cost of energy, we look at things like the cost
34:59
Speaker 15: of labor.
35:00
Speaker 7: Their costs are going up, their margins are.
35:03
Speaker 15: Therefore decreasing, and they're making less money out of it.
35:07
Speaker 15: And our report, the Small Business Perspectives Report for twenty
35:11
Speaker 15: twenty five, reveals that those business owners are looking after
35:15
Speaker 15: their employees, they're looking after their suppliers, their landlords before
35:19
Speaker 15: they're looking after themselves.
35:21
Speaker 7: So their margins are down.
35:23
Speaker 15: Their take homes down, and they're earning less than minimum wage.
35:27
Speaker 3: So what's the single thing you'd like to see the
35:29
Speaker 3: alban Ezy government do to make it easier for small
35:33
Speaker 3: business to operate?
35:36
Speaker 15: That deregulation word is a big word, Shari less red tape.
35:41
Speaker 15: What small business tell us is they're losing so much
35:44
Speaker 15: time filling in the forms, so much time understanding what
35:48
Speaker 15: compliance looks like in terms of employing somebody, what compliance
35:53
Speaker 15: looks like in terms of their tax, what compliance looks
35:56
Speaker 15: like if you talk single touch payroll and their payment
35:59
Speaker 15: of soup. They are losing time to those federal matters.
36:04
Speaker 15: Then they're losing time to counsel regulations and state requirements.
36:08
Speaker 15: They need to be given their time back. They want
36:11
Speaker 15: to be productive. If you give them the time back,
36:14
Speaker 15: they can sell more widgets, they can provide more service.
36:18
Speaker 3: We've heard this week reports that Chinese e commerce titans
36:22
Speaker 3: like Timu and Shine are ensnaring a bigger share of
36:25
Speaker 3: the retail market.
36:26
Speaker 4: Here in Australia. You know, what do you think about this?
36:30
Speaker 3: There've been suggestions that perhaps there should be a quota
36:32
Speaker 3: of how many goods can be imported from sites like
36:36
Speaker 3: Timu and Shine, or even a dumping tax.
36:40
Speaker 4: What do you think about those ideas?
36:43
Speaker 15: Not sure about those measures as such, Shari. What I've
36:47
Speaker 15: heard from the members I've reached out to, some are
36:50
Speaker 15: in the courier businesses and they're saying these organizations help
36:56
Speaker 15: those small businesses actually be more required. There's more couriers
37:01
Speaker 15: out there providing more delivery services. We're right that these
37:06
Speaker 15: organizations are a disruptor to Australian retail. It needs to
37:11
Speaker 15: be balanced by the fact we're in a very connected
37:14
Speaker 15: world now. The Internet means we're a worldwide economy and
37:19
Speaker 15: that means these overseas suppliers are goiner ship to Australia,
37:23
Speaker 15: but equally Australian businesses should be looking to ship offshore
37:27
Speaker 15: as well. It's a real mixed bag. We're digitized, we
37:31
Speaker 15: need to improve. These organizations are disruptor to Australian retail, absolutely,
37:38
Speaker 15: and we would encourage Australian retailers, the smallest to think
37:42
Speaker 15: about their online presence.
37:44
Speaker 3: I mean you use the word disruptor. That makes it
37:47
Speaker 3: sound like they're doing something innovative.
37:49
Speaker 4: They're not.
37:49
Speaker 3: They've just got cheaper prices. And in part isn't this
37:53
Speaker 3: because of the high tariffs the United States has applied
37:57
Speaker 3: on China. So instead, China's just using Australia as a
38:00
Speaker 3: dumping ground for all of this excess product.
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Speaker 7: You're going into territory out of my league.
38:07
Speaker 15: So but from a small business angle, the points you
38:11
Speaker 15: make are right. So while I use the word disruptor,
38:14
Speaker 15: some will see them as a positive disruptor, but some
38:17
Speaker 15: will see them absolutely as a negative disruptor and actually
38:20
Speaker 15: causing stress to those retail outlets.
38:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's making an I'm Proustratian over all, right, Matthew Addison,
38:28
Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining us.
38:31
Speaker 4: Still to come.
38:32
Speaker 3: Trump endorses Rubio and Jade Vance as his successors, and
38:37
Speaker 3: there are calls for Australia to break away from the
38:39
Speaker 3: United Nations. James Willis and Camra Milner will be.
38:42
Speaker 4: On right after the break.
38:47
Speaker 3: Welcome back with Donald Trump is driving the left crazy
38:51
Speaker 3: by indicating he'd love a third term as president. Here's
38:55
Speaker 3: what he told reporters on Air Force one last night.
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Speaker 12: I would I would love to do it. I have
39:02
Speaker 12: my best numbers. Ever, it's very terrible. I have my
39:04
Speaker 12: best number receipt if you read it. Am I not
39:09
Speaker 12: ruling it out and you'll have to tell me.
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Speaker 3: Jokes aside, he spoke about those who are best in
39:17
Speaker 3: his view to succeed him.
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Speaker 12: Oh, we have great for him. I don't have to
39:21
Speaker 12: get into that, but we have one of them standing
39:24
Speaker 12: right here. We have JD obviously the most president is great.
39:29
Speaker 12: I think Marco is great. I think I'm not sure
39:31
Speaker 12: if anybody would run against us. I think if they performed,
39:35
Speaker 12: the group would be unstop.
39:38
Speaker 3: And Johnny me now is Daily Telegraph journalist who's laughing away.
39:41
Speaker 4: Here at Trump. James Willis and former chief staff to
39:46
Speaker 4: Bill Shot and Cameron Milner.
39:47
Speaker 3: Great to see you with that.
39:51
Speaker 16: I just think it's greatly that Marco Ruby are standing
39:53
Speaker 16: in this sort of Shakey's hit an embarrassment. But look
39:55
Speaker 16: at the very least the media that we are seeing
39:58
Speaker 16: every day, and the the spectacle of Trump in office
40:02
Speaker 16: is something else. But I will say for and people
40:04
Speaker 16: talk about a third term. AKA, technically it's against the Lord.
40:07
Speaker 16: It's unlikely to happen. He would also be I think
40:09
Speaker 16: eighty two by the time that came around. But the
40:12
Speaker 16: enthusiasm and the work rate of this president and the
40:16
Speaker 16: amount that he has got done in the first ten
40:19
Speaker 16: months in office in the Middle Eastelie, making efforts with
40:22
Speaker 16: Russia and Ukraine, and you mentioned last week. I think
40:24
Speaker 16: he's hosted maybe fifty seven different countries in the White
40:28
Speaker 16: House before Australia. He's now getting ready for big talks
40:31
Speaker 16: with China, which are obviously critical on a range of fronts,
40:34
Speaker 16: including the opium trade and making sure that Americans get
40:37
Speaker 16: their fair say big tariffs along the way. But god, look,
40:40
Speaker 16: if nothing else, you have to admire his work rate.
40:42
Speaker 16: It is astonishing for a seventy nine year.
40:45
Speaker 3: Old, completely incredible. There's no way I could keep that up.
40:49
Speaker 3: But Cameron, you know, he mentions Marco and JD. And
40:52
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting he didn't say which should
40:54
Speaker 3: be leader. I think Marco Rubio is incredibly sensible. I
41:00
Speaker 3: think he's brilliant, and I'd be more concerned about Jade Vans.
41:04
Speaker 3: But JD Vans does seem to be the more popular
41:07
Speaker 3: figure within the MAGA movement.
41:11
Speaker 2: Well, it seems to be the case.
41:12
Speaker 17: But isn't it clever of Trump to actually have the
41:14
Speaker 17: futures have divided while he can rule the roost. I mean,
41:18
Speaker 17: to your point, James, what an amazing first ten months,
41:20
Speaker 17: incredible first ten months in government, and let's hope the
41:23
Speaker 17: next three years and two months the rest of this
41:26
Speaker 17: term is as productive as he's been the last ten months.
41:28
Speaker 17: It's extraordinary to see a US president being so active,
41:32
Speaker 17: not only in America but around the world.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't get the credit for that, he really doesn't.
41:36
Speaker 3: Everyone's so quick to criticize him, but look what he's
41:39
Speaker 3: actually doing.
41:40
Speaker 16: And just a final point on that, I think this
41:42
Speaker 16: sort of weighs into this conspiracy that the left and
41:45
Speaker 16: the Trump haters have that he's drunk on power and
41:48
Speaker 16: is never going to let it go and will somehow
41:50
Speaker 16: change the rules and get another third term. And it
41:52
Speaker 16: just weighs into that narrative for the people that can't
41:55
Speaker 16: give Trump any credit no matter what achievements he does
41:58
Speaker 16: on the world stage.
41:58
Speaker 3: True, while Kevin Right has been doors stopped by the
42:02
Speaker 3: media this after Trump criticized him last Week's just tonight.
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Speaker 16: Is it good to have patched things up with President Trump?
42:08
Speaker 4: He doesn't forget people.
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Speaker 2: Who quotes, well, do you know something?
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Speaker 15: You What I think is that the Prime Minister had
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Speaker 15: an excellent meeting with the President the United States and
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Speaker 15: we're here to do a job.
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Speaker 4: It's it good to have patch things up with him.
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Speaker 2: Mister up.
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Speaker 5: Miss what do you think of those comments from Donald
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Speaker 5: Trump that he doesn't forget people who quote said.
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Speaker 14: Well, you know, you know what I would say is
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Speaker 14: that I'm from America and I'm here to help, and
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Speaker 14: my name's Kevin.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 3: It was an kind of a cringe worthy line. Cameron,
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Speaker 3: do you think he will ultimately stay on?
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Speaker 13: Look?
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Speaker 2: I think so. I think there's probably another year left
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Speaker 2: in Rudd.
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Speaker 17: I mean Steven Smith, the one who's probably going to
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Speaker 17: come home by Christmas and be replaced in London.
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Speaker 2: So I think Rud stays for another year.
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Speaker 17: But I think the funniest thing in the White House
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Speaker 17: last week was not even being recognized across the table
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Speaker 17: by President Trump.
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Speaker 2: That was the real insult to Rud.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think, James?
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Speaker 11: Oh?
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Speaker 16: I think that it was funny because when Donald Trump
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Speaker 16: was first made aware of those comments, when he was
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Speaker 16: interviewed by Nigel Farage on our affiliate in the UK. Sorry,
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Speaker 16: so Trump, Yeah, Trump. Trump was interviewed and sort of
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Speaker 16: immediately you could say, Okay, he's going to hold a
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Speaker 16: grudge here, and then it was clear he'd forgotten about
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Speaker 16: it until that meeting in the White House where he
43:19
Speaker 16: said to Rudd you said bad and Rudd had to
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Speaker 16: sort of make up an excuse and look to be honest.
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Speaker 16: I still think and I agree, I think Rudd can
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Speaker 16: still contribute and I think he does deserve a small
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Speaker 16: bit of credit for what was done in this meeting
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Speaker 16: the other week. However, one on one with Donald Trump,
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Speaker 16: it's the kind of thing that he won't forget. And ultimately,
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Speaker 16: Kevin Rudd should not have said what he said, assuming
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Speaker 16: that Trump would never get back in at a time
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Speaker 16: that he probably thought the President was going to jail
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Speaker 16: rather than back to.
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Speaker 1: The White House.
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Speaker 3: By the way, I don't think Trump did forget. I
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Speaker 3: think it was just a line for your Awnbassador is
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Speaker 3: because he knew it would hurt, right. But I think
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Speaker 3: he knew obviously, he knew who was going to be
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Speaker 3: in that meeting, and he.
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Speaker 4: Knows what.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 4: Cameron you've got stuck into the United Nations.
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Speaker 3: In your column this week, you say that it's time
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Speaker 3: Australia recognize the need to unhitch our future security from
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Speaker 3: the United Nations and instead embrace our true friends and allies.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 17: I mean, I think the United Nations had its place
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Speaker 17: after too World Wars, but it's not fit for purpose.
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Speaker 17: In Lngashari, it's become a citadel of Wokism, city of Wokism,
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Speaker 17: but also too appalling. The anti Israel, appallingly anti Israel,
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Speaker 17: and let's just call it for what it is. I mean,
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Speaker 17: there were one point five million people starving in Gaza
44:35
Speaker 17: anamask in twenty twenty two, but no UN motions, no
44:39
Speaker 17: court cases, no nothing. But Israel starts to self defend
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Speaker 17: and wow, the UN is suddenly in action. No, the
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Speaker 17: hypocrisy is rank. And they've done nothing in Ukraine, nothing
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Speaker 17: to stop China aggression in the South China, see nothing
44:52
Speaker 17: to stop the Middle Eastern problems. They moved a motion
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Speaker 17: against Iran. Well it took at Israel in the US
44:57
Speaker 17: to bomb them to actually stop.
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Speaker 2: That nuclear threat. The UN is utterly irrelevant.
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Speaker 17: Other than being as I said my column a circle
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Speaker 17: jerk of NGOs hangers on and a few diplomats who
45:07
Speaker 17: think they're still relevant at the UN General Assembly.
45:10
Speaker 16: I'd say also, I don't know why we keep turning
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Speaker 16: up just to be lashed. And every time we have
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Speaker 16: one of these meetings, particularly on energy or climate change,
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Speaker 16: Australia is isolated and told that our coal exports are
45:22
Speaker 16: a major contributor to what is going on with global temperatures.
45:25
Speaker 16: Now it's simply not the case. What we burn here
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Speaker 16: and what we export is not. China is, and the
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Speaker 16: UN picks and chooses which issue it goes after. It's
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Speaker 16: been terribly unfair on Israel, but also at the same
45:37
Speaker 16: time leaving there's been atrocities occurring across the globe that
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Speaker 16: it hasn't said a word about. So I think we
45:43
Speaker 16: can give them a miss in my view.
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Speaker 3: And played no role in the current ending of the war,
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Speaker 3: if you like. With Israel and her master that was
45:50
Speaker 3: all down to the President.
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Speaker 4: Of the United States.
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Speaker 3: Now let's have a look at this report card on
45:56
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister. Now, the Center for Public Integrity has
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Speaker 3: given our bit easy and F on transparency and F
46:03
Speaker 3: for fail and it says the government has failed on
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Speaker 3: six of seven key fields, including secrecy, jobs for mates
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Speaker 3: and raining in lobbyists. Now, Cameron, you get to see
46:14
Speaker 3: how the government operates up close.
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Speaker 4: Would you agree with this assessment that it's a fail.
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Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 17: Look, I think it is. And let me speak on
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Speaker 17: the issue of lobbyists. I mean there are people who
46:26
Speaker 17: are campaigned for Albanese who are lobbyists. There are people
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Speaker 17: who are doing selfies and paying for cash for access
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Speaker 17: as lobbyists with Albanie.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's a rotten show.
46:34
Speaker 17: And the state systems beat Queensland on New South Wales
46:38
Speaker 17: are much much better, far more integrity at the state
46:40
Speaker 17: level than the federal level.
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Speaker 2: So Alba needs to be called out this.
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Speaker 17: I'm glad the CIP has but his first action should
46:46
Speaker 17: be reforming lobbyists in Canberra.
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Speaker 3: So just to clarify, when you say cash for access,
46:50
Speaker 3: what you're saying is donors who support the Labor Party
46:56
Speaker 3: are then getting access to meetings as a logger.
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Speaker 17: Absolutely so the lobbyists are showing up with their clients
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Speaker 17: cash or their own cash, buying access, buying that seat
47:07
Speaker 17: at the table, buying the selfie with the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 17: and that's what they're paying for and.
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Speaker 2: That's a disgrace.
47:14
Speaker 16: And when there's so much government money on offer now
47:17
Speaker 16: and governments are spending like never before, and you look
47:18
Speaker 16: at NED zero and all those things, it's amazing that
47:22
Speaker 16: for all his faults, David Pocock is the one that
47:24
Speaker 16: is speaking the most about this and the fact we
47:26
Speaker 16: need transparency on lobbyists. We need to know who is
47:29
Speaker 16: Some of these people have twenty four hour access, as
47:31
Speaker 16: I understand, and can sort of walk around the corridors
47:34
Speaker 16: as they wish, and the idea of a lot of
47:36
Speaker 16: money at stake is the kind of thing that we
47:38
Speaker 16: need some transparency on. Albertiezy promised to do something about this.
47:41
Speaker 16: I might add that this report card is done by
47:45
Speaker 16: a group that both former judges and corruption buses on
47:48
Speaker 16: its board, so it's a very reputable organization. Also, Labour's
47:52
Speaker 16: not doing any hard interviews anymore. They're deliberately just putting
47:55
Speaker 16: everything through social media. They think they can win elections
47:58
Speaker 16: that way and probably fair enough, but they've stopped doing
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Speaker 16: hard talkback radio chats.
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Speaker 2: They certainly wouldn't come on.
48:03
Speaker 16: Well, they're not doing as many as they used to
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Speaker 16: by far. I mean, you might get you might be
48:07
Speaker 16: lucky to get a shadow or a fringe minister on.
48:10
Speaker 16: But I mean, Chris Bowen isn't fronting up to two
48:13
Speaker 16: GB or three AW every day and answering hard questions.
48:16
Speaker 16: They certainly wouldn't come on your show answer, And I'm
48:18
Speaker 16: sure you've asked.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've asked.
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Speaker 4: So many, so many Albany.
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Speaker 3: I mean to think, not that this is about me,
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Speaker 3: but I'm the only Jewish nightly television host. And even
48:27
Speaker 3: right after October seven with the Andie seventism crisis, the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister would not do an interview, None of them would.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, they're being very very deliberate in avoiding the tough
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Speaker 16: questions in my view, and just putting everything on social
48:38
Speaker 16: media where it's all a big joke.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, they're not much transparency at all, that's for sure.
48:44
Speaker 3: All right, Cameron Milner, James Illis question, see you both,
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Speaker 3: all right, And after the break, I'm going to tell
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Speaker 3: you about the reports that the Palestinian prisoners who've just
48:54
Speaker 3: been released on now millionnaires.
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Speaker 4: That's next.
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Speaker 3: The Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sah has accused the Palestinian
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Speaker 3: authority of providing financial benefits to the families of terrorists.
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Speaker 3: More than half the Palestinian prisoners freed in exchange for
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Speaker 3: innocent Israeli hostages are now reportedly millionaires.
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Speaker 7: They're continuing their pay for slave policy.
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Speaker 18: Think salaries the tourists and their families for murdering Jews
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Speaker 18: and Israelis has been Palestinian law since two thousand and
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Speaker 18: four and until.
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Speaker 1: This very day.
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Speaker 3: Remember when Albanese said he had an assurance from the
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Speaker 3: Palestinian Authority President Mahmurabas that he'd dumped the paper slave
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Speaker 3: program along with other policies, and Albanesi believed him, and
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Speaker 3: that's why he said he felt Australia could recognize a
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Speaker 3: Palestinian state at the UN. Or how naive of Albanzi
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Speaker 3: to trust the p eight to stop rewarding the families
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Speaker 3: of terrorists. And now we have this report that some
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Speaker 3: of those prisoners are millionaires.
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Speaker 4: Right, that's all we've got time for today.
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Speaker 3: Stay tuned right now, poor Murray