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Scott Payne Witnessed a Pagan Sacrifice While Undercover(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Did you ever get so deep entangled during like a
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  Speaker 1: sting or during an operation or during an undercover where
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  Speaker 1: at the end you were like, damn, this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a long day when this bust happens?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's going to bother you.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm kind of taking us off a base. I'm
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  Speaker 1: kind of taking us off a base a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get back. So there was the doxing going on.
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  Speaker 2: So they did. Some people tagged some stuff. And also
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  Speaker 2: during that time, we had a base member who went
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  Speaker 2: out in Canada. He was Canadian. And he went and
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  Speaker 2: put flyers up to try to recruit. And then somebody
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  Speaker 2: answered the recruitment. They had to go through the emails
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  Speaker 2: like I did. They had to go through an interview
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  Speaker 2: panel like I did on audio, on wire. And then
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  Speaker 2: they went and had the face-to-face meet. So this guy
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  Speaker 2: that got recruited, one of our members who ended up
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  Speaker 2: being called Punished Snake, his name was Pat Matthews.
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  Speaker 1: Punished Snake?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Pat Matthews, he changed his name several times,
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  Speaker 2: but he was, I think it's the Canadian version of
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  Speaker 2: our National Guard kind of, but he was a military.
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  Speaker 2: He was being trained, and he's the guy. So we
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  Speaker 2: get a new member coming in. Hey, welcome, new member, blah, blah, blah,
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  Speaker 2: from Canada. I think his name was Mark or something.
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  Speaker 2: And he's in the main chat group for about a
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  Speaker 2: week or so. Maybe two weeks. I don't think, definitely,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was more than two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: And are you in the chat group every day, kind of? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: imagine if I wasn't. So I work my job as
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  Speaker 1: an FBI agent. I go home, I might have dinner
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  Speaker 1: with my family, and then I'm back out on the porch,
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  Speaker 1: you know, answering stuff. Or I'm checking in during the day. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But they also knew I was a... What's up, fellas?
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  Speaker 1: Everybody still racist or whatever?
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  Speaker 2: Like, shit like that? You want to go commit some
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  Speaker 2: hate crimes? But, so this Canadian, he meets this guy,
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  Speaker 2: this guy gets into the group, and after about a
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  Speaker 2: week or so, he comes out and it turns out
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  Speaker 2: that it was a journalist for a paper. No, no.
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  Speaker 2: He's a, I guess these days, that's probably what the
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  Speaker 2: people are thinking. He, he was a journalist for a
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  Speaker 2: newspaper up there. He went and met Pat on his own.
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  Speaker 2: And after about a week or two, they were like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is too deep. You pull the chocks, write it,
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  Speaker 2: write it. So this article comes out and it's basically
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  Speaker 2: doxing Pat. So Pat, the, The Royal Canadian Mounted Police
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  Speaker 2: RCMP comes to his house, takes his guns. He's booted
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  Speaker 2: from the military thing. His parents now hate him. I
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  Speaker 2: think he lost his job, and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: he disappears. Wow. His truck is found at the border,
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  Speaker 2: the border of Canada and the United States. So we're
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  Speaker 2: pretty sure he's here, but we don't know where. Eventually
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  Speaker 2: we find him, and he ended up being down at
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  Speaker 2: my cell. He was renting out one of the horse
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  Speaker 2: stalls under the barn, Under the residence on that 100-acre property.
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  Speaker 2: So I got to go.
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  Speaker 1: You were sleeping there? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I got to go spend a lot of time
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  Speaker 2: down there training. And it just got crazier and crazier, man.
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  Speaker 2: It was like.
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  Speaker 1: And what kind of stuff were they saying? Everything's preparing
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  Speaker 1: for the boogaloo.
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  Speaker 2: Building your kit. I mean, a lot of these kids
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  Speaker 2: didn't even have, I say kids. I mean, I was 48.
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  Speaker 2: I lied and said I was 44 at the time.
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  Speaker 2: because literally there was like one other 40-something. Nazario was 40-something.
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  Speaker 2: So the leader was 40-something. There was one other dude
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  Speaker 2: that was in his 40s. There might have been two 30-somethings,
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  Speaker 2: and everything else was 20s and teens. Wow. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of these kids, they didn't have a job. They didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a car. They had to borrow a car to
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  Speaker 2: come to the training, but they were wearing Cryo Precision
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  Speaker 2: plate carriers, same thing the FBI SWAT team wears. Got it.
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  Speaker 2: They're building their kit up, their pistols, their semi-automatic rifles,
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  Speaker 2: their ARs or their AKs. And we're coming out and training, man. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Moving drills. And it may not be the best, but still.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I was looking at a lot of them going,
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  Speaker 2: holy crap, man. If they wanted to take on some,
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  Speaker 2: if they wanted to do something, they're probably going to
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  Speaker 2: get the drop on a lot of people. Right. You know?
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  Speaker 2: That's scary, dude.
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  Speaker 1: It's fascinating to think that that goes on. So once
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  Speaker 1: we found Pat, Um, and we had him locked down.
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  Speaker 1: So we're like, okay, we feel like we're in control
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  Speaker 1: of the situation because we were finding out more and
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  Speaker 1: more stuff. Uh, are they plotting something or they're not?
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  Speaker 2: There was inklings of things being whispered and said, and
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  Speaker 2: we're as a case team and an undercover, all the
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  Speaker 2: case teams. I mean, at one point we had a
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  Speaker 2: hundred people on a call once a month. That's how
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  Speaker 2: many case teams there were in the United States working
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  Speaker 2: this stuff. Um, and it was just kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: did they mean that? Did they not mean that you're
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  Speaker 2: trying to find out, are you going to do something
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  Speaker 2: bad or are you not?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Are you just, Talking trash, First Amendment protected, and then
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  Speaker 2: you're waiting for the D-Day, and then it's purge. So
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  Speaker 2: we get this all started because you asked about the
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  Speaker 2: sacrifice thing. So a lot of these guys believed in
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  Speaker 2: the Norse pantheon. So they were claiming pagan, but they're
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  Speaker 2: white supremacists. They're not true pagans. Got it. They're white supremacists.
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  Speaker 2: And we've already had a couple of blots, B-L-O-T. That
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  Speaker 2: is the ceremony. the worship ceremony.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever go to those?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'd already been. Well, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I had to participate. I had to mirror. So I
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  Speaker 2: would pray to a God. There were some that we
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  Speaker 2: had that had some people leading it that was really,
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  Speaker 2: some of them were actually priests in the Asatru family.
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  Speaker 1: Just doing what, side jobs or whatever?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. I'm just meaning they've obtained the
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  Speaker 2: rank to basically be a preacher. They're a priest and
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  Speaker 2: they can run a block. Um, so I'd attended some
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  Speaker 2: and it might be in the middle of the summer
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  Speaker 2: and you go down there and you paint runes on
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  Speaker 2: your chest and we'll do the whole ceremony. And they'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, uh, uh, take like a piece of wood
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  Speaker 2: and carve, carve, uh, some runes in it, which were pagan.
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  Speaker 1: Are you NES? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then it would be, uh, then, but then there
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  Speaker 2: would be like swastikas and white supremacy stuff on there too.
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  Speaker 2: And then you would, you would, you would cut yourself
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  Speaker 2: and bleed on the wood. And then we set the
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  Speaker 2: wood on fire and pray to our gods until the
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  Speaker 2: wood stopped burning. So I was getting in closer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then it was just going so fast, Theo, I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever wake up believing it?
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  Speaker 2: No. No, not this. No. Right. I mean, some of
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  Speaker 2: these cats were cats. Some of these guys were saying
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  Speaker 2: that Hitler's still alive in Hollywood. Oh, yeah, that's funny.
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  Speaker 2: And he's hanging out with 15-foot giant white dudes with
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  Speaker 2: red beards, and they're just waiting to come back. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, for what?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, come on back. If you're saying we need
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  Speaker 2: to fight right now, what's Hitler waiting on?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, where are they milling around for? Yeah, come on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: unless he's waiting for NIL money or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I'm switching teams.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody give him a deal, probably. But so we get
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  Speaker 1: to this point, and it's Halloween of 2019.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We're going to have basically what people refer to
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  Speaker 2: as a hate camp. We're going to be there training
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  Speaker 2: and training. I did some hand-to-hand combat training there. We
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  Speaker 2: already started doing firearms, but that Halloween night was a
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  Speaker 2: Thursday night in 2019. So we have a few drinks.
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  Speaker 2: I go back to my truck. I'm actually charging my
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  Speaker 2: phone up because the battery's dying. You know how it
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  Speaker 2: is when you go from, like, sleet, ice-freezing, cold and
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  Speaker 2: you hop in that warm vehicle and you kind of
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  Speaker 2: just defrost and then you nod off a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I nodded off a little bit. Um, and I wake
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  Speaker 2: up to the pounding on my door cause I was
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  Speaker 2: already pale horse by this time. Um, I switched my
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  Speaker 2: code name. Um, and, and they were like, pale horse,
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  Speaker 2: pale horse, wake up, wake up. I'm like, man, what's
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  Speaker 2: going on? They're like, you got to see this. You're
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  Speaker 2: not going to believe it. I come out and they go, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: remember I was talking about sacrificing a goat. And I'm like, vaguely.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, we got one. And I'm like, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: they went, I mean, not far down the road to
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  Speaker 2: a guy who had three. And it turns out that
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  Speaker 2: he came out because he heard them. They were armed.
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  Speaker 2: They had their Flecktarn camo on with the balaclavas over
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  Speaker 2: their face. I mean, it's a wonder nobody didn't get
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  Speaker 2: shot right there. But they steal a goat or a ram.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I've asked people the difference.
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  Speaker 2: It was big. It had horns. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it was a goat or a ram. But I walk up,
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, Had it in the back of the truck.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the members who went by, Dima. Dima says, man,
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  Speaker 2: this goat's shitting all over the truck. And I said, well, hell,
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  Speaker 2: I would be too if a bunch of Neanderthals with Fleck, Tarn,
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  Speaker 2: and Balaclavas just jerked me out of the backyard at gunpoint.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, daggum. And then Eisen was going to be
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  Speaker 2: running the blot on this one. And I see him
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  Speaker 2: over there, and he's petting the goat. And it looks
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  Speaker 2: like he's showing it love and stuff. And I walked up,
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  Speaker 2: and I said, hey, man, is it bad that I
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  Speaker 2: feel sorry for the goat? He says, hey, pale horse.
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  Speaker 2: Don't let her hear the goat.
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  Speaker 1: Eisen was the guy's name? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was his code name. His real name was William Bilbrow.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. I was going to say, because Eisen sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a Jewish name. It seems like a weird name to have.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was actually a rune. I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: what Eisen stands for. But anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Eisen is German and Ashkenazi U.S. surname meaning iron.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. Eisen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, go on.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry. So I didn't know that. See, I should have
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  Speaker 2: looked that up. I spent seven months with the guy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, shit.
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  Speaker 2: But I'll be like, oh, iron. I got it. So
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  Speaker 2: he says, hey, don't let the goat hear you say that.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay. He's like, this goat, we're showing
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  Speaker 2: this goat love. We're going to sacrifice it to start
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  Speaker 2: the wild hunt, and it's going to Valhalla. It's going
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  Speaker 2: to be with Odin tonight. This is a good thing
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  Speaker 2: for the goat. No negative energy, basically. And don't let
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  Speaker 2: the other people hear you with negative energy. I said,
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  Speaker 2: got it. Push that beach ball down. Never think of
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  Speaker 2: it again, you know, underwater. It's going to push it down.
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  Speaker 2: So I walk over to, oh, let me say this.
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  Speaker 2: The wild hunt in Norse mythology is essentially Odin and
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  Speaker 2: other gods going out in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 2: and laying the smack down to all their enemies. But
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  Speaker 2: in the version of the white supremacy, he's saying that
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  Speaker 2: this sacrifice is going to start the wild hunt for
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  Speaker 2: us to cleanse the world of darkness. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: anti-fash and you are non-white, when Boogaloo happens, what they
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  Speaker 2: were saying is if you are not fascist, you are
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  Speaker 2: automatically anti-fash and the penalty is death. I mean, these
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  Speaker 2: dudes would talk about shooting their own dad's. Like, I'd
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  Speaker 2: have to kill my dad if he doesn't. If he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't switch to be fascist, I'm going to have to
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  Speaker 2: kill my dad.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And then one would be like, I'd cry myself to
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  Speaker 2: sleep if I did. Another would be like, well, I
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  Speaker 2: could never kill my parents, so you guys are way
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  Speaker 2: ahead of me. So you're hearing all this crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And you're hearing Pat.
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  Speaker 2: Down under the barn saying, I'm a ghost. My life
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  Speaker 2: is over. I don't exist anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's the guy that got doxxed.
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  Speaker 2: Doxxed out of Canada.
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  Speaker 1: And so can't y'all bust the group at this point
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  Speaker 1: or no?
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  Speaker 2: We could, but there's, I'm going to tell you, in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, as a case agent on long-term cases and
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  Speaker 2: as an undercover, that's the heart's decision to decide when
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  Speaker 2: do we have enough or not. oh, this new guy
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  Speaker 2: just came in, one more buy and we can get,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's tough.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because at what point are you just like playing
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  Speaker 1: house or whatever it almost seems like, or White House anyway?
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  Speaker 2: Right, but what would we charge them with other than
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: assisting getting an undocumented alien in right now? Now what
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  Speaker 2: charges are you going to come up with? Because there's
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  Speaker 2: no federal domestic terrorism charge. Okay. There are federal international
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  Speaker 2: terrorism charges, but there's not for domestic terrorism. Got it.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm hearing all this crazy stuff. Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we can form, everybody that's been doxed, we can have
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  Speaker 2: like a staging location or a, or a clubhouse somewhere
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  Speaker 2: where it's all us and we're all ghosts and we
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  Speaker 2: just go out and murder. I mean, it's talking about
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  Speaker 2: laying out like a homeless person, learning the pattern of
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  Speaker 2: the lefty journalist, and then just popping them in the
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  Speaker 2: back of the head with a. 38 one day and
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  Speaker 2: just walk off. That's guerrilla, that kind of small hit
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing. So we've got them, and then we
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  Speaker 2: get to that Halloween weekend. So they tell me they
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  Speaker 2: got the goat, and I go to my listening device,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, Hey, talking to the case, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: if you can hear me, I'm pretty sure we're going
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  Speaker 2: to go down here and slaughter this animal. I'm racking
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  Speaker 2: my brain trying to think if there's anything. I'm definitely
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  Speaker 2: not seeing anything federal in my head, and I basically
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  Speaker 2: just tossed it to them. Do you want me to
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  Speaker 2: shut this thing down, or do you want me to
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  Speaker 2: just drive off, come up with a ruse and kind
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  Speaker 2: of drive off? I said, if you want me to,
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  Speaker 2: you need to let me know, and I waited, and
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  Speaker 2: I stared at my device, and I waited, and I waited,
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  Speaker 2: waited for my phone to ring, waited, waited, nothing, and
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  Speaker 2: I went. Okay, I guess I'm heading down in the woods.
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  Speaker 2: So we head down. We carry the goat down. There's
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  Speaker 2: probably about 12 of us there.
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  Speaker 1: Is the goat sleeping or it's loud? No, no, we're
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  Speaker 1: walking it down. So we get down there. Just doing
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  Speaker 1: goat shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, doing goat shit. So we get down there to
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  Speaker 2: what was referred to as the holy spot. The torches
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  Speaker 2: are lit. Eisen leads the blot, talks about, hey, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to sacrifice this goat to Odin. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: go be with the elves and everything.
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  Speaker 1: And is it pretty organized, or is the guy like
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  Speaker 1: reading notes off of his phone and shit?
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  Speaker 2: No, he wasn't the best. Now, the other guy I
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  Speaker 2: told you about when we were in the summer, I
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  Speaker 2: think he was a legit Asatru priest. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: was led very well. This one was a little choppy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: God dang.
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  Speaker 2: But they're believing it. This is fucking crazy, bro. They're
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  Speaker 2: believing it, right? So then he has like a, it's
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  Speaker 2: bigger than a machete, but it's not quite a sword
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  Speaker 2: from what I remember. We're all around the goat. He's
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  Speaker 2: already given the whole speech about the wild hunt and
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  Speaker 2: we're going to start killing all the anti-fascist and non-whites
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  Speaker 2: because if everybody's white, that'll definitely save, that'll solve the problem. No,
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  Speaker 2: it won't. No, it won't. You know? Crazy. He's still
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  Speaker 2: going to be fighting. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's still going to be cheating.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. What are we talking about here? But, so I
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  Speaker 2: end up, we're all in a circle around the goat
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  Speaker 2: and somehow I ended up at the back legs and
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  Speaker 2: he's already given the speech and now he's got this
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  Speaker 2: blade and he's he's like he's bringing it back with
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  Speaker 2: his hands and he's coming down practice swing practice swing
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  Speaker 2: taking a breath you can hear somebody say just do
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  Speaker 2: it you know and he comes down i'm holding the
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  Speaker 2: back of that guy he comes down with everything he's
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  Speaker 2: got and all i heard was thunk i don't think
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  Speaker 2: it broke a single hair i don't know if the
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  Speaker 2: blade was dull or the back strap of the goat
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  Speaker 2: was so strong and for that second i was like
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  Speaker 2: in that split second my mind i'm like oh this
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  Speaker 2: is gonna be bad it's gonna get bloody because I'm
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  Speaker 2: holding it. And then you hear, it may take two swings.
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  Speaker 2: Do it again. You're always yelling. And then somebody says,
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  Speaker 2: has anybody got a gun? I think it was pestilence.
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  Speaker 2: Does anybody have a pistol? Fucking pestilence. The rule was,
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  Speaker 2: is we weren't supposed to bring any weapons down there.
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  Speaker 2: But the one guy, Zoom Nat, says, I got mine.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, me and Luke, TMB, both were looking and going,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: this is like the least qualified guy to be holding
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: a weapon. This dude's been up for like two days
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: straight on Adderall. He worked third shift in Austin, Texas,
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: and drove straight to Rome, Georgia. Uh-oh. And I'm like,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: and not coordinated. I mean, gun stuff. I was like, oh,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: my goodness, man. You're the last person down here.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: What the heck, dude?
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: So he hands the pistol over. Luke takes it from him.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: This is like Assassin's Creed up your head.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah. So he takes the weapon, hands it
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: to Eisen. Eisen chambers around, kind of points towards the goat,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: and then turns completely away to pull the trigger. And
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: that's when the instructor in me, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: He's like, what? And I go, man, look at what
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: you're shooting at, bro. We're all in a circle on
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: our knees, man. He's like, oh, okay. I know, man.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is a Larry David sketch, dude.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, part of you in the comical side, you're like,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: I'll let him go ahead and shoot. I'm over here.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: You know, he's aiming that way. I see he takes out,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: you know. But, yeah, so he puts one right in
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: his head, and then it goes down, and it twitches
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: for a while. And I coaxed him to, I said, man,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: why don't you go ahead and put another round in it?
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Because it was debatable. Is it after death twitches or
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: is it still alive? I said, just go ahead and
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: put it. I said, for the sake of the goat,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: because you want it to show up happy, right? It's going,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a good thing. I'm using his words
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: against him.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Right, for sure. Let it get there quick. Yeah.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I thought, so he did it.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: And then you could hear somebody say, now it's definitely dead. Oh,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: are we done? No. Now they slice the throat of
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: the goat, fill up a cup full of blood. Yeah.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: And we're all in a circle.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: And is it warm out or cold out?
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: It is chill. It's cold. It's cold.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: It's cold. Cause it, whatever happened that Halloween in 2019,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: it had been like sixties or seventies. And that day
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: a cold front came, it dropped to like 10. So
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: we're down there and, uh, he, um, they slice it.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: They fill the cup up with blood. Everybody's still in
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: the circle, except me. I'm holding the flashlight because Eisen
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: decided to bring acid to help with the spiritual journey. LSD? Yeah. Yeah.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Had the sheet. Had the sheet.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Y'all all took a hit or what?
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't. And that was funny because they were like,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: one of the guys was like, hey, I'm a, how
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: do we word it? I'm a very experienced, highly experienced
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: psychedelic or something. I'm a professional psychedelic because we think
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: you'd really like this pill horse. I said, let me
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: tell you something. You have no idea what's in my brain.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: You have no idea what I've done on this planet
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: in my lifetime. I don't do that stuff. If somebody
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: slips one on me and I go on a bad trip,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: every single one of you are going with me. Damn.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing I got to do. That's your call.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to use that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: And then one guy was like, yeah, don't do it.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Don't put nothing in a pale horse's drink. But I
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: went around and I was shining. He would tear a tab,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: put it under your tongue, chase it with the blood.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Now we're signifying the sacrifice. We're closing the deal here.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now you're a sick app.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so now it gets to me, and I'm one
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: of the last ones. Well, by the time it gets
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: to me, Theo, I look down and it is clotted.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: It is chunky. And I'm looking at it going, man,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I really don't want to drink this, man. You know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like. But I think pestilence or I don't know
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: if he said it or I thought of it, but
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I just stuck two fingers deep into the blood, pulled
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: out my fingers and sucked the blood off my fingers.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: And luckily I'd carried a beer down there and I
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: chased it with that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: What kind of beer was it?
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: That night it might have been Bud Light. Before the controversy.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Before the controversy.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think, yeah. No, I think it was a
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Bud Light. But if it wasn't a Bud Light, it
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: was a Yingling Lager, which is what I like. Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: That's nice. Damn, brother. Y'all down there eating blood and
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: freaking doing LSD. I mean, what in the fuck is
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: going on?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I know, right?
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: So we're supposed to get up the next day and train.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Training was shot. What?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Because only like two or three people didn't do acid.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And everybody else was up all night staring at a fire.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what y'all are training for. This
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: feels like the New York Jets kind of, dude. I'm like,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on? So they're saying, they're like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: we're not going to go handle weapons and be running
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: across fields. Yeah. Because they'd been up all night and
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: they were hot. And I'm like, great. You just shot
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: an entire day of training, you know. But I went
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: to go get biscuits for everybody. I went to the Bojangles. Ooh,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: they're good.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I just had one the other day, actually.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Apparently in Rome, Georgia, Bojangles is where it's at because
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: cars will be backed all the way down I mean,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: down the main street, directly across the street from Bojangles
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: was a McDonald's. There were no cars in it. But
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I went, and I picked up about 30 bacon, egg,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: and cheese biscuits. So I'm coming back, and all I
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: can smell is that butter, that bacon, that cheese, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: them eggs, and that biscuit. God. I go to get
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: out of my truck. Punished Snake says, Pell Horse, you
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: got to try this goat. It is good. He's been
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: holding that raw goat over a fire. It was not
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: prepared at all. Oof. I've had some gamey stuff in
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: my life. That was the gameiest tasting meat I ever
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: put in my daggum mouth.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: And as soon as I started biting it, after smelling
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the butter, as soon as I bit into it, man,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's not too bad. As soon
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: as he turned his head, I tossed it to the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: farm dogs. I was like.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I've had bad meat on some LSD, and that's,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you never forget that. You never forget that. Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I've just I've eaten undercooked duck on LSD yeah and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I never forget that shit I still sometimes I still
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: floss my teeth years later even just to get the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: just I feel like some of it's still in there.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: So after the sacrifice they chopped the head of the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: goat off and we carried it around what the hell
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: is going on dude we took a picture cause the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: The recruitment process was this. Whatever video, whatever new recruitment
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: video we're doing has to be better than the last one.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Got it. Every time the base got infiltrated by either
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: a journalist or whatever, their op set got better and better.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: How did that happen? How did we get infiltrated? How
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: did we stop it from happening again? So Saturday night comes.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Saturday comes, now we can start training again. So we're
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: out there shooting and running and stuff, and now it's
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: warming back up. And we go down Saturday night to
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: the holy spot. And build a bonfire. We burn American flags.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: There it is. Now, here's the thing. He nicknamed that
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: goat Gar. His name is William Garfield Bilbro. His grandfather's
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: name is Garfield, so he named the goat Gar. So
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: everybody talked about Gar after that. I am back row
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: two left from the flag. You can see my neck.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's me right there.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Showing a little neck.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: A little neck. Well, yeah, the balaclava didn't go all
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the way down.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Dang.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Somebody should have caught that and been like, pale horse,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: your neck's showing.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: You bought that baby clava.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't know they give it to you. That's part
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: of your initiation. When you made it in, they gave
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: me the balaclava and the, the three runes.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: That's smaller clava. Yeah. Small for you.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I got, I got, I got a horse head. Oh yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: So then we go down and we burn American flags
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: and we burn Holy Bibles. Um, and, uh, I remember
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: coming back after that weekend and I remember just feeling
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: kind of dirty. I mean, I've been, maybe that's because
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I'd been up for four days or whatever. I don't
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: know the rain and on and on, but just the
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: act and just the feeling of, I was like, man, uh,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I just feel weird. Yeah.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Your spirit.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because I'm like, yeah, that's it. Because I, cause
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I come back to the office and
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I go, I've been working undercover since 1996 off and
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: on started street level narcotics. I said, I have never
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: had to burn. American flags. I've never had to burn
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: holy Bibles. And I definitely wasn't with a group of
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: people that went and stole a goat, sacrificed it, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: we drank his blood at a ritual. Because even though
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: they're saying pagan, some of those dudes are praying to Satan.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Some of those dudes are playing to like Order of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Nine Angles where it's a lot more satanic.