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Aging in Hollywood · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ entertain me, entertain me right now ♪
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  - Hello, and welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
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  I'm Olivia, here we are.
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  - Shauna.
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  - And as you can tell, we are back in the studio together.
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  It's always a beautiful day.
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  Get to see your face.
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  - Your hair looks pretty.
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  - Thank you.
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  You're just two.
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  We're actually growing long.
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  We're capable of life still.
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  - I know.
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  - This is proof that we are still living sentient beings.
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  - Yes.
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  - You know, aging can't get us.
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  - I got sick of my green street.
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  - Okay.
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  - Yeah, tell us the thought process.
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  - What was going on?
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  - It was just too hard to keep up with.
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  And I bought like a bottle of manic panic,
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  like the little temporary hair dye stuff.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And I made it greener, and then it washed out with it.
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  A week.
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  So.
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  - Not to, you know, tell everyone,
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  but you probably already did.
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  - Oh my God.
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  - And do you think it's because it's like the gray hair streak
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  where it's like retaining color less?
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  - How dare you out me for having an agent body?
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  - Okay.
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  - It's pertinent.
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  - Wim's are allowed to age.
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  - You are, you are.
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  But like, isn't that a thing?
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  - You know what, maybe.
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  I think also, I was taking, okay.
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  I dyed my hair green right here,
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  because it had a gray streak growing
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  as you just,
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  - You're ugly.
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  - You're ugly.
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  - I don't care.
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  I have a lot of grays.
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  - Well, you sit in a patch.
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  - You know, it was edgy.
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  - Gray hairs are sick.
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  And I love it.
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  And I want to have a full,
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  ripe head of gray hair someday.
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  - It feels right.
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  - It feels right to be ripe.
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  I don't know, maybe that's why I didn't hold on.
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  - I found the cold showers and it's still.
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  - Okay.
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  - I got sick of cold showers.
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  You can only do so much.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah.
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  - You know.
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  - You might need to take more in the morning now
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  for your filthy dreams.
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  (laughing)
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  - I do.
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  I have my filthy,
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  my filthy sex dreams that I wake up
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  and take a cold shower.
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  - Yeah, there you go.
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  - A 12 year old boy.
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  - No, you look adorable.
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  And I know you cut your bangs yourself,
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  but at least I am.
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  We are doing amazing.
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  We cut our own bangs.
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  Ask no follow up questions.
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  - No, listen.
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  The fact that you did a good job
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  cutting your own bangs means that you were doing
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  perfect light.
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  - I'm only slightly manic.
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  - I'm only slightly manic.
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  - She's slightly manic.
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  - There's manic and there's panic.
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  (laughing)
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  - I'm glad you didn't do straight across
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  shot of bangs.
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  If you did that,
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  - I just show up single white femaleing you.
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  (laughing)
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  - How you do a girl?
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  I would have had to fly to San Francisco
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  like and see if you were doing okay.
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  If you went like blunt bang by yourself.
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  - No, baby bangs are for you.
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  - I can't do them.
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  I'm not gonna separate a carpenter track.
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  Like curtain bang.
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  - Oh, the curtain bang.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Got it, got it, got it, got it.
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  - Yeah, until something worse happens.
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  And I've never known.
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  - Nothing worse is gonna happen to you.
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  - If you're here.
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  (laughing)
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  - If I show up with baby bangs,
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  maybe 51/50 me.
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  - I am gonna convince Olivia to come
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  to Phoenix for Halloween
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  so that we can do a costume together.
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  - So let us know your thoughts.
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  - Yeah. - And all right.
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  - What, we should be.
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  - I think there's gonna be four of us this year
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  if we do a group costume.
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  - I said track, but we've already done that.
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  - We've done track.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I still have my track costume.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I was dragon.
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  - I was Lord Farquad.
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  - It was really good.
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  (laughing)
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  - Slutty Lord Farquad.
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  - We had a friend who was donkey
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  and she committed so hard to the--
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  - She wore the mask a whole time.
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  - She put them in just like tits out too.
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  - It was great.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Everything else was like kind of--
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  - She got hit on a lot.
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  - She did.
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  And she did not take off that latex donkey mask.
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  We went to the Shrek Club night
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  and then we went to another bar.
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  - A bar.
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  - A bar which is hot in there.
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  - Dancing with the latex donkey mask on.
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  - She would only take it off to drink
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  but she would be very sneaky about it
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  so no one could see who was really under the mask.
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  - That's like when I had my bald cap
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  and I got hit on more that night than the night before
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  when I was like fully in a undercourse with like my boobs out,
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  but and then I was like, she's got a bald cap on.
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  Let's go for that one.
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  - That bald cap outfit was so good.
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  - I still have it.
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  - I'm so mad that I showed up late that night
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  'cause I was slutty flow.
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  I was flow from progressive
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  but only with the apron on.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And nothing happened to me.
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  - You know, we were having a time.
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  - You know, we were having a time.
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  - That was a time.
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  - Okay.
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  - So let us know what you think we should be for Halloween.
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  We're taking ideas clearly.
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  - Yeah, we are.
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  We want group costumes.
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  Maybe make it pop culture themed.
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  There needs to be four of us.
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  - Yeah.
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  - We can happen.
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  - Yeah, isn't that every Halloween costume though?
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  - What's the pop culture themed?
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  - Yeah, I guess.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Well, it's like fun.
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  - Oh, speaking of the time.
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  - At a while, I'm stupid.
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  - Unless it's a pop culture clown.
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  - Did you see what target released in there?
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  - Literally.
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  - Wow.
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  - While we were just hanging out,
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  like before we started recording,
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  you went to the bathroom.
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  - You know, you went outside.
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  - No, you went to the bathroom.
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  - I went to the bathroom
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  and I did some unholy things in the bathroom.
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  And actually, you know, I did.
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  I read it while I was taking the browns to the Super Bowl
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  at the Hula's Modern Tiki.
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  And it'd be an exterior zone.
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  - A.
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  (laughing)
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  - But yes, I saw that they released like a...
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  - So to update you, today they released their children's line
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  of Halloween costumes.
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  There was a clown.
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  And if you're audio listening only,
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  you'll see the area quotes around clown.
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  - It is very much like a black face clown.
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  - Like a menstrual.
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  - A menstrual clown.
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  - Yes.
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  And they even have a black boy model.
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  - And they have him posing in the same way
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  and menstrual clown would.
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  - And it's got the big red lips and like the smile.
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  Who passes these things?
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  Do you not have a single?
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  - That went through so much for you.
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  - Person of color is single black person,
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  like working at Target.
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  - No.
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  - Maybe not in corporate.
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  - I'm not that unfortunate.
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  - Yeah.
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  - No, actually insane.
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  - What?
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  They're doing so?
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  - Yeah.
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  The only reason I saw that is 'cause I followed Target
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  on Instagram for some God for a Saken reason.
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  - Okay.
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  - Or like,
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  - 'Cause they're not not like.
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  - I know, I really tend to follow them.
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  But it was like, we are so sorry.
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  We dropped the ball like an apology thing.
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  - Oh.
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  - And so I like Doug was like,
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  "What did they do?"
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah, so, Target downhill.
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  Also, that was a joke.
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  John is an ally.
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  - I need to apologize.
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  - The most politically inclined of the two of us.
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  - And I was thinking we had to argue with you
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  because I was like,
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  "I am as an ally."
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  - But no, don't dress as racist carotimes.
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  - For all the way.
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  - Yeah, so let's try put our children in that.
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  - Be a slutty clown instead.
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  - Yeah.
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  Or just no clowns.
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  I think we're good on clown.
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  - Yeah, that's true.
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  - Okay, so no group clown costumes.
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  - No clown costumes.
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  - So let's sit it out this year, Target.
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  - Maybe next year.
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  - You too.
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  - Yeah, okay.
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  And so, as we just mentioned,
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  it's not easy being a human in this world
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  and there are some challenges that affect women
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  more physically, socially, and often at work.
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  And one of those things is aging.
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  - Like my gray hair.
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  - Like, Sean is gray hair on being unable
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  to hold manic panic die.
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  So it's hard to miss the message
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  that a woman's value lies in her looks.
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  We've done quite a bit of episodes
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  over the last few months just about what it's like
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  to be a woman in this hellscape.
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  And we wanted to talk a little bit more
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  about how there is no escaping the implication
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  that older women are less beautiful than younger women
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  and less valuable.
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  Anti-Asian cosmetics and treatment messages
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  about women hitting a wall after a certain age
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  on social media.
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  And what we see on our screens is undeniable.
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  We have women who are 30 playing 18 year olds.
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  It's crazy.
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  We have women who are over the age of 40 playing 65.
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  - Literally, you know what always cracks me up too?
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  Is within the past year, now that Hillary Duff
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  is having like a career resurgence and going on tour.
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  And this woman is phenomenally like fit, right?
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  - Yeah, she looks amazing.
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  - She looks incredible.
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  Like I saw her show, you went to her show too, right?
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  - No, it was the same night as Olivia D.
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  - That's right.
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  - It was a great show.
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  - And she looks hot as hell, right?
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  - She looks so good at that.
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  - But people were like all these headlines that
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  Hillary Duff looks incredible for 38.
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  Like the suggestion that 38 or maybe 39,
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  she's either 38 or 39, but like she looks great for that age.
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  And I'm like, I'm gonna hold your hand while I say this to you.
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  - That's not old.
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  - Yeah, well even this week, like Camerendia's
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  did a cover with Benji, her husband.
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  And it's like Camerendia's favorite thing in her 50s
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  is to get dressed up and wear red lipstick.
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  - Oh my God, that's so brave.
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  - Even her to do that in her 50s.
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  - But what is her husband's favorite thing to do in his 50s?
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  - To look at her, hopefully, 'cause she looked amazing.
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  - And she looks so good.
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  - She's aging very gracefully too.
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  I mean, and we'll talk about that the term of aging gracefully.
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  - Gracefully.
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  - Her husband's like having, you know, oh she's,
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  you see a woman who's had work done, right?
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  And you think, oh God, she looks terrible.
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  Like she's had way too much done.
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  She looks plastic.
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  She looks so full of billers.
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  And then you juxtapose that to a woman who is aging gracefully
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  or naturally and you're like, oh God, she looks old.
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  - Yeah.
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  - She looks so winning.
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  - Yeah, there's nothing.
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  There's nothing you can do unless you are very wealthy,
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  like Jennifer Anna Stan or something.
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  And they're like, yeah.
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  - She's aging so nicely.
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  And you know she's having stuff done.
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  - Yeah, that's what I mean.
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  - Yeah.
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  - It's like, oh, it's just like not obvious to like the plebs.
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  - Mm-hmm.
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  - Where it's like, oh, you have to be both rich
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  and investing in these things that like the masses
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  haven't caught on to in order to be like acceptable.
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  - But the masses can afford like a private chef,
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  a personal trainer, weekly appeals,
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  - Blood transfusions.
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  - Blood transfusions.
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  - Yeah.
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  - What is that guy?
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  - Brian Johnson.
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  - Oh my God.
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  - Okay.
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  - Okay, actually.
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  So not to like squirrel us off here,
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  but I do think that--
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  - You've never squirreled us off in an episode ever.
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  - But Brian Johnson is actually a really interesting part
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  of this, right?
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  He's not a woman, but he is obsessed with like reversing
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  his age.
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  So he is a CEO, he has this company called Blueprint,
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  which in all fairness, I did do Blueprint meals
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  for a long time and I did lose like 40 pounds.
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  So there is some validity to his diet
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  and what he coaches, but he's obsessed with reversing his age
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  and like moving back the clock essentially.
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  And so him and Peter Teal are the two people
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  who have kind of gone on record within Silicon Valley
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  and said that they do these like weekly plasma transfusions.
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  - Do you have, have you watched his documentary?
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  It's called Don't Die.
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  - I haven't seen all of it, but I've seen clips of it.
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  - Yeah, it's really interesting, the weird things
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  that he does 'cause he wants to age backwards,
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  but the average human can't afford this.
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  - So what's actually pretty crazy is like,
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  he did a little different, he's taking it all from his son,
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  which is like your son's your blood bag.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And then weird and then all so--
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  - It's sticking to straw.
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  - Yeah, it's a young, fertile son.
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  - Oh, Jesus.
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  - Recently he was just diagnosed with an autoimmune disease.
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  So everything he's done isn't working too well.
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  And then also he like publicly tweeted
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  that he made a clone of himself.
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  - And he's like building this clone, these are the words,
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  so we can harvest the organs.
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  - That is, wait, there's movies about this.
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  - Yeah, it's called The Island.
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  - It's a great movie.
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  - It's a great movie.
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  - I'm gonna watch that movie this weekend.
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  - Right, Johnson thought that went, they're onto something.
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  - He's like, wait, this isn't inhumated in the slightest.
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  - Yeah, and you know what,
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  if Hollywood execs could do it to women, they would.
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  - 100%.
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  - You know, we have actually seen this,
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  not just show up kind of within our reality
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  and you know, existing as a woman, but Martha Lausanne,
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  she's the executive director for the Center
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  for the Study of Women in Television and Film
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  at San Diego State.
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  - The Higher Meal, my God,
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  is incredible.
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  - Analyzed women's and men's roles,
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  both in broadcast and streaming television in 2024 and 2025.
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  She found that once actors hit 40,
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  men were far more likely to get roles than women.
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  The majority of major female characters
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  in broadcast and streaming television
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  were in their 20s and 30s, about 60% made up that group.
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  Whereas the majority of male characters
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  were in their 30s and 40s.
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  And let's re-emphasize that these studies were done
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  in 2024 and 2025.
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  'Cause I feel like a lot of people think,
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  well, this doesn't happen anymore.
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  There's roles for older women, like not really, honestly.
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  And even like, I'm a huge Marvel fan girl, right?
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  We've talked about this a lot.
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  A lot of the main Avengers are men in like,
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  they're 40s, 50s and 60s.
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  - And it's like men, it's like always getting salt
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  and pepper is getting hotter.
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  And women, it's like, she has a gray, put her out.
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  - Yeah, yeah. - Put her out, yeah.
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  - And like the female Avengers, I mean,
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  Brelarsen who plays Captain Marvel, I think is my age.
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  I think she's like 37.
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  Scarlett Johansson, oh God.
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  (laughing)
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  Scarlett Johansson is also around my age,
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  but like she was killed off in those movies.
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  So it's in, you know, they keep--
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  - How old would she have been the killer?
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  - Like as an actor?
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  I think she's a little older than me maybe.
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  Scarlett Johansson is maybe like 40.
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  So maybe like, yeah, 36 or something.
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  - So you could be a superhero, but you can't be 40.
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  - Yeah, listen, you're gonna die.
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  Then you can play Aunt May.
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  (laughing)
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  - Then you can be in the movies, but you're gonna be Aunt May.
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  - They're gonna put a horrible white hair wig on you, okay?
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  - I'll say like Peggy Carter.
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  I'm not saying there's no female superheroes
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  in like 30s and 40s.
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  - Yeah. - But when compared to,
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  I mean Paul Bettany's playing Vision.
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  And he's like in his 50s, I think.
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  Elizabeth Olson is playing Wanda,
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  but we don't know if we're ever gonna see her again.
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  She died.
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  - Okay.
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  - So I don't know.
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  And Robert Downey Jr.
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  is getting his second dose of life in the MCU
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  and his 60s, I believe, on Doctor Doom.
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  So it's just, with the older you get, those roles
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  just keep coming if you're a guy.
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  - Yeah, and we see it even as these actresses
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  can survive that 40 curse,
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  that the fewer roles become available to her.
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  While 41% of female characters were in their 30s,
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  only 16% were in their 40s.
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  For men, like we mentioned that,
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  that goes quite opposite.
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  And in fact, more than half of the major male characters
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  and streaming and broadcast television
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  are older than 40.
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  - That does not surprise me.
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  We just had our episode come out about James Bond.
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  - Yeah. - And like, in all of those Bond movies,
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  he's in his 40s, but he's always hooking up
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  with women in like their 20s.
• 15:27
  They're always-- - They can't have brains.
• 15:29
  - No, they're just need to be sex objects who die.
• 15:33
  As we mentioned in the episode,
• 15:35
  they were near a tragic young dad.
• 15:38
  - The shortest life span you can have is a woman
• 15:41
  who has sex with James Bond.
• 15:43
  It better be the best sex of your life girl
• 15:45
  'cause you're gonna die.
• 15:46
  - You're gonna get shot around.
• 15:47
  - Well, I'm gonna kill you.
• 15:50
  - Note Dick is worth dying for.
• 15:52
  - D-Dy another dick.
• 15:54
  (laughing)
• 15:57
  - I don't care.
• 16:00
  - Oh good, James Bond is in bed.
• 16:02
  You were 25 years old.
• 16:04
  - I don't know.
• 16:05
  - What does it say about me?
• 16:06
  Where I'm like, "I might risk it."
• 16:07
  - Because you kinda like older guys.
• 16:09
  Sorry, if I outage you.
• 16:14
  - That's fine.
• 16:15
  That's fine.
• 16:15
  - She does.
• 16:16
  - I have one to be.
• 16:19
  But then now they're getting a lot older
• 16:21
  'cause I'm getting older, you know?
• 16:22
  So it's like, well.
• 16:23
  - Oh, when does it start to go, "Woop."
• 16:25
  There's a bell curve.
• 16:26
  There's this episode of sex in the city
• 16:28
  where Samantha meets this man who's like 75.
• 16:32
  - Okay, yeah.
• 16:33
  - And she's talking to Carrie and she's like,
• 16:36
  "Oh, feels the same in the dark."
• 16:38
  - She's like, "What's your cutoff?"
• 16:40
  - And she went 50.
• 16:42
  And then she's like, "Well, what if he was really rich?"
• 16:45
  And Carrie goes, "50."
• 16:46
  (laughing)
• 16:49
  - He was a very young 72, according to Samantha.
• 16:53
  But I think she slept with him and then it, yeah.
• 16:55
  - Didn't feel the same in the dark.
• 16:57
  - Well, that was the--
• 16:58
  - Oh, he had released "Saturday Balls" or something.
• 17:00
  - Yeah, I don't remember.
• 17:01
  - That's why I didn't feel the same in the dark.
• 17:03
  - Oh, yeah.
• 17:04
  - You were talking about balls.
• 17:05
  - Yeah.
• 17:06
  - I was talking about that episode specifically.
• 17:07
  - Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 17:08
  (laughing)
• 17:11
  - And so, yeah, I think that, you know, over time,
• 17:14
  we've seen where this age has gone up, right?
• 17:16
  I think in our parents day and age,
• 17:19
  it was like, if you were over 25, like 30 at max,
• 17:24
  you were no longer in actress,
• 17:25
  or you were playing these kind of like grandmother roles.
• 17:28
  I think that has started to go up,
• 17:32
  but I think the way that we've talked about it
• 17:34
  has really, really changed.
• 17:35
  So, Shana mentioned, like, she looks great for a age.
• 17:40
  Like, when I first think of that,
• 17:42
  the first person I think of is always J-Lo.
• 17:44
  - Right.
• 17:45
  - Who?
• 17:46
  - Yeah.
• 17:47
  - First informant, we've talked a lot of shit about J-Lo
• 17:48
  on this podcast, but we cannot say that woman
• 17:50
  does not look phenomenal.
• 17:52
  - Oh, oh.
• 17:53
  - She is fucking gorgeous.
• 17:55
  - Yeah.
• 17:55
  - She's hot.
• 17:56
  She has great style and an incredible body.
• 17:58
  And you know, she works hard in the gym.
• 18:00
  - Yeah.
• 18:01
  - As she had worked on.
• 18:02
  - Probably.
• 18:03
  - Yes, I mean, she's very wealthy.
• 18:04
  She's had worked out.
• 18:05
  But like, the year average, what, 54, I think?
• 18:09
  - Yeah.
• 18:10
  - You're old woman.
• 18:11
  Like, who just goes to work at her nine to five
• 18:14
  or has, you know, is a stable mom.
• 18:15
  - Yeah.
• 18:16
  - The resources like that.
• 18:17
  - Look like, but even then, I feel like there are women
• 18:19
  who like, do and can, like, in the real world as well.
• 18:23
  Which I think is like interesting.
• 18:25
  - But it should be the expectation.
• 18:26
  - Yeah.
• 18:27
  Yes, exactly.
• 18:28
  Like, you were allowed to have like a smile line,
• 18:31
  a forehead line and things like that.
• 18:33
  But I do think that the conversation has changed.
• 18:36
  But we don't necessarily see that within all of the
• 18:39
  kind of romance films that we see today.
• 18:41
  Like, I'm thinking of that Richard Gear.
• 18:43
  - Richard Gear movie.
• 18:44
  Oh my God.
• 18:45
  He is 76 and I think his co-star is in her 20s.
• 18:49
  - Yeah.
• 18:50
  - Yeah, it's horrible.
• 18:52
  And I mean, Richard Gear is quite attractive,
• 18:55
  even in his old age.
• 18:57
  - He's a very handsome man, but like, that is just so
• 19:00
  - Yeah.
• 19:02
  - Predatory, frankly, like, it feels strange.
• 19:05
  And it's because if you had that reversed
• 19:08
  and you had a 76 year old woman with like a 20 year old man,
• 19:13
  people would think it was disgusting, horrifying.
• 19:16
  Right.
• 19:17
  And then you'd push back and say,
• 19:18
  "Well, what about that movie with Nicole Kidman?"
• 19:19
  And her end turn.
• 19:21
  Well, first of all, Nicole Kidman has had a lot of work done.
• 19:25
  She's trying to reverse that aging, right?
• 19:28
  She's had a lot of plastic surgery done
• 19:30
  to not look the age that you would expect her to.
• 19:33
  And still, Nicole Kidman isn't 76.
• 19:36
  Like, Richard Gear.
• 19:37
  - Yeah.
• 19:38
  - She's like, in her 50s.
• 19:39
  So that's a lot different than being like 70,
• 19:43
  having sex for the 20 year old and 50 having sex.
• 19:45
  - You know what I'm trying to say?
• 19:46
  - Yeah, they wouldn't have just a naturally aging,
• 19:49
  76 year old woman cast a viral.
• 19:51
  - So having so much fun.
• 19:53
  - Yeah, and I think that, you know, you look at it,
• 19:55
  like that is one example in a sea of movies
• 19:59
  that it's almost like trying to subversa
• 20:03
  and like that's kind of the point of baby girl.
• 20:05
  - Yeah, but they still have to cast a very conventionally
• 20:08
  attractive woman who has had work.
• 20:10
  - Yeah, yes.
• 20:11
  - Just to even be the older woman.
• 20:12
  - Yeah, no, that's a really good point.
• 20:14
  The marketable.
• 20:15
  - Yeah.
• 20:16
  Yeah, I think that what we've seen,
• 20:18
  and we've heard from a lot of different actresses,
• 20:20
  is the second they hit like a certain age range,
• 20:25
  they started to have to play these mother roles
• 20:28
  or these very unsexy women within it as well.
• 20:34
  So it's kind of been not just you're no longer casted,
• 20:37
  but then all of the roles that you are cast within
• 20:41
  also kind of fall into that grouping.
• 20:44
  - That's a good point.
• 20:45
  Gosh, I don't remember the films right off the top of my head,
• 20:47
  but Sally Fields is cast as Tom Hanks' love interest.
• 20:52
  And then maybe two years later, she's cast as his mom.
• 20:57
  That's actually horrible.
• 20:59
  And they are pretty roughly the same age.
• 21:03
  - Yeah, yeah.
• 21:03
  - Yeah, that old hack.
• 21:05
  - Yeah, yeah.
• 21:06
  And it reminds me, I was trying to describe this sketch
• 21:09
  to you before we started.
• 21:11
  - So Amy Schumer, we could go on a tie-run
• 21:14
  about a problematic she is, but she did have this show.
• 21:17
  - I did love that show.
• 21:18
  - I did too.
• 21:19
  - So funny, Amy Schumer show.
• 21:20
  - Inside Amy Schumer.
• 21:22
  She had this sketch and she's jogging through the woods
• 21:27
  and she comes across Julia Louie Dryface, Tina Fey,
• 21:31
  and Patricia Arthet and they're having a tea party.
• 21:34
  She's like, what are you guys doing?
• 21:36
  And they said, oh, we're celebrating Julia's last fuckable day.
• 21:40
  She's like, I'm sorry, her what?
• 21:42
  - Why?
• 21:42
  - Well, Julia's about to turn 45, so she's no longer fuckable.
• 21:47
  She's gonna be cast as Mrs. Claus from now on.
• 21:51
  Or yeah, Aunt May, she's gonna play the mom.
• 21:55
  She no longer is.
• 21:57
  - We're the grand mother.
• 21:58
  - Yeah.
• 21:59
  - And then Amy's like, aren't you sad?
• 22:00
  And she's like, no, I get to just put on the pounds,
• 22:04
  let my grades grow.
• 22:05
  Like it's so funny.
• 22:07
  And then in the very end, they give her a Viking funeral.
• 22:10
  They send her off in a boat with a tub of ice cream
• 22:13
  and they light a cigar.
• 22:14
  - Yeah, it's actually, yeah, it's idea of a barbecue list.
• 22:17
  This is so like accurate.
• 22:19
  - It's so accurate.
• 22:20
  You like, you hit a certain age and it's just like,
• 22:22
  all right, well, she ain't fuckable anymore unless she's J.Lo
• 22:28
  or Kim Kardashian.
• 22:30
  And injects a bunch of money and stuff into her face.
• 22:33
  And then maybe she can stretch out her fuckability
• 22:37
  for a little bit longer.
• 22:38
  But only if she does these very expensive things
• 22:41
  that the average woman can't.
• 22:42
  - Yeah.
• 22:43
  Yeah.
• 22:44
  And I think just to kind of like illustrate
• 22:46
  how these times have changed.
• 22:48
  Like some of the most famous actresses of our times
• 22:52
  have really felt this impact since the early days
• 22:56
  of Hollywood.
• 22:57
  So we have like Betty Davis
• 22:58
  and the key to successes, keep your hair clean,
• 23:01
  your clothes neat and your mouth shut.
• 23:03
  Like about being an actress.
• 23:05
  Like that's what was expected of you
• 23:06
  when you're lucky to be here.
• 23:08
  - Thank God that's not podcast or rules.
• 23:10
  We've got these screws.
• 23:11
  - Yeah, now that's why we go virtual most of the time.
• 23:14
  These studio lights.
• 23:15
  - I don't know.
• 23:16
  - They're hitting the wrinkles.
• 23:17
  - Why do you think I braided that year today?
• 23:19
  - I've been washing them in.
• 23:20
  - I've got too many grays coming.
• 23:22
  We have Joan Crawford in the 1960s saying,
• 23:24
  I think the thing that frightens me most about growing old
• 23:27
  is that'll become invisible.
• 23:29
  In the 1970s we have Doris Day saying,
• 23:32
  I don't like to think about getting older.
• 23:35
  I just think about getting better.
• 23:36
  We have Susan Sarandon in the 1980s saying,
• 23:40
  when I started it was over by 40.
• 23:43
  - Oh God.
• 23:43
  - And so there was truly this insane pressure.
• 23:46
  And we started to see a shift of that.
• 23:48
  Like in 2009, Merrill Strupp is quoted saying,
• 23:51
  I'm 60 and I'm playing the romantic lead.
• 23:53
  What does this look like?
• 23:54
  And I think there was a pushback,
• 23:57
  but we still saw it.
• 23:59
  Maggie Jellinhaugh has been quoted saying,
• 24:01
  I'm 37 and I was told recently I was too old
• 24:05
  to play the lover of a man who was 55.
• 24:07
  - Oh my God, that is disgusting.
• 24:10
  - And yeah, I mean, we see it all the time
• 24:13
  continuing throughout,
• 24:15
  but just to kind of say like things have shifted,
• 24:18
  but we're still so far away.
• 24:19
  - I agree.
• 24:20
  Let's take a quick break.
• 24:22
  And then I wanna talk about like some of the ways
• 24:25
  that people are afraid of dying in the media
• 24:29
  and afraid of aging and how we see that expressed.
• 24:31
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• 24:34
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• 24:38
  into aging in Hollywood.
• 24:40
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  And you know, it just helps us, yeah.
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  All the more marriage.
• 25:18
  - Which is cool.
• 25:19
  - We are good at it.
• 25:19
  - We're getting old.
• 25:20
  - Yeah, since we are in person,
• 25:22
  now we said we were having a happy hour
• 25:25
  and a yappy hour because we had a little cocktail
• 25:28
  before this and you know, that's what keeps you young.
• 25:30
  - It keeps this young and yapping.
• 25:32
  - And you see young, too many cocktails you in the outside.
• 25:34
  - Yeah, you know, well, we gotta survive the horse.
• 25:37
  - The horse.
• 25:38
  - The horse.
• 25:39
  - So we talked about this during our live special
• 25:42
  at fan fusion.
• 25:43
  How horror movies have started to use aging
• 25:47
  and the elderly, especially elderly women
• 25:50
  as a horror trope.
• 25:51
  - Scary.
• 25:52
  - Nothing scarier than being a woman and being aging, right?
• 25:55
  So like you have these old women who are scary
• 25:59
  and chasing you through house with their
• 26:01
  pendulous, sagging breasts.
• 26:02
  - Oh, like an ax.
• 26:04
  - Yeah.
• 26:04
  - I was thinking in a barbarian.
• 26:06
  - A barbarian also scary.
• 26:07
  - But yeah, that.
• 26:08
  - Those titties.
• 26:09
  - Oh man.
• 26:10
  But like that is just such a overused horror trope
• 26:13
  now is the thought of aging.
• 26:15
  And even to the point where we had an entire movie about it,
• 26:18
  what was the substance?
• 26:19
  - Yeah, the substance.
• 26:20
  - And then Ryan Murphy made a show called Beauty.
• 26:23
  - It was just basically the story.
• 26:24
  - A rip off of the substance, which is all just about
• 26:27
  women's fear of aging.
• 26:29
  And I will say that I know the substance was
• 26:32
  kind of making fun of it, right?
• 26:33
  And like it was a commentary on our fear of aging.
• 26:37
  - Yes.
• 26:38
  - Still.
• 26:39
  - Yeah, I think it's really interesting.
• 26:41
  So I would kind of put like body horror of like substance.
• 26:44
  Like the knee and I guess the beauty,
• 26:47
  but like the need to be so beautiful that you're like
• 26:50
  willing to destroy yourself.
• 26:52
  - Yeah, like death becomes her.
• 26:53
  I mean, that was, you know, 90s.
• 26:55
  - And so it's like this kind of like self-eating snake.
• 26:59
  Like your need to be young makes you old and die.
• 27:03
  - It's a waste of it.
• 27:04
  - It's a way at who you are.
• 27:06
  But then there's also just the old woman is horror herself,
• 27:11
  right?
• 27:12
  - Arbarian acts.
• 27:14
  And so we see a lot of like commentary in both of those.
• 27:18
  - Weapons.
• 27:19
  Yeah, there's just, there's a lot of like old women who are the scary horror monster in
• 27:25
  these movies recently that I've noticed.
• 27:27
  - Yeah, I think it's more common being brought up in Hollywood.
• 27:30
  But I do think that we've seen that throughout stories in all of time, right?
• 27:35
  - Yeah, that's.
• 27:36
  - mythology, you've seen it.
• 27:37
  Like it is a Hollywood kind of like horror mechanism now.
• 27:43
  - Yeah.
• 27:44
  - And you're totally right.
• 27:45
  Like that's a really good point.
• 27:46
  You talked about like the influence of Greek mythology and like old storytelling on like
• 27:51
  modern day storytelling.
• 27:52
  And there's always been the mother, the maiden, the crown, right?
• 27:56
  And so once you become the crown, you are horrifying.
• 28:00
  You know, one wants you.
• 28:01
  - Yeah.
• 28:02
  - No, you're not sexually desirable.
• 28:03
  And then you become not sexually desirable as a woman.
• 28:07
  You shift into horrifying.
• 28:08
  - Yeah.
• 28:09
  - Yeah.
• 28:10
  - Yeah.
• 28:11
  - You have no worth, right?
• 28:12
  Like you're actually like only stealing people's worth life in those.
• 28:17
  And I think you've seen it a lot through like witches as well.
• 28:21
  And like pure tanical times.
• 28:22
  Like these women who are so obsessed with their own beauty and vanity that they become
• 28:29
  evil.
• 28:30
  And they heart like it's succumbest, right?
• 28:33
  They harvest the souls.
• 28:34
  - They harvest the soul.
• 28:35
  - Yeah.
• 28:36
  A man to become more beautiful and trick the next man.
• 28:39
  And you see that through witches.
• 28:40
  You see that through Greek mythology.
• 28:43
  And then now more modernly we see that within aging women and the need to try to reverse
• 28:49
  that aging.
• 28:50
  You know, I think it's really interesting because like we mentioned within the 2000s we
• 28:55
  started to see a shift of that narrative of like, oh, women can be older.
• 29:02
  And then now and like 10 years later we see it as horrifying.
• 29:07
  And I think there's something to be said about like the state of the nation in the world
• 29:11
  when these trends come back.
• 29:13
  Like how aging is horrifying.
• 29:16
  It's thin is back in again.
• 29:18
  And I do think that coincides with the rise of fascism around the world and like controlling
• 29:23
  women and our voices and that we should just be seen as, you know, the rise of tradwife
• 29:28
  culture.
• 29:29
  We should be seen as silent young and understandable.
• 29:33
  Women with more life experience are like less.
• 29:37
  Ninety they're less invincible, valuable because they become their own person.
• 29:42
  And that's why you meet guys and they're like, oh, I don't date a woman who's older than
• 29:48
  30, right?
• 29:49
  Right.
• 29:50
  Because she has her own opinions in her own mind and her own thoughts.
• 29:53
  I do want to say neither of us are shitting on women who have plastic surgery, have
• 29:58
  or done.
• 29:59
  That's a great point there.
• 30:00
  Listen, this face is full of Botox.
• 30:03
  Like, and we both die our hair.
• 30:06
  Yeah.
• 30:07
  We're not immune to the pressures of society, but it's just, it's like this culture that
• 30:13
  tells you you have to do this in order to not look the age that you are.
• 30:18
  And if somebody tells us like, I wouldn't have guessed you are 37.
• 30:22
  Why does that mean so much to me, right?
• 30:24
  Yeah, when I get carted, I'm like, what?
• 30:26
  Yeah, like why is that so exciting?
• 30:28
  What's wrong with just diving?
• 30:30
  Yeah.
• 30:31
  I think it's something to unpack, right?
• 30:32
  Like why is being younger, like something to celebrate versus like, oh, no, I've like made
• 30:39
  it this far.
• 30:40
  Been able to take care of myself like this many years.
• 30:42
  Yeah, I've made it through this heartbreak and this bullshit.
• 30:45
  Yeah.
• 30:46
  I mean, I guess we could dive into like, you're closer to death than your view, your own
• 30:49
  mortality.
• 30:50
  But like, really if we're just talking about like aging and Hollywood and like pop culture,
• 30:55
  yeah.
• 30:56
  That should impact, you know, if we're not talking about aging and Hollywood and pop culture,
• 31:00
  then that should impact men too.
• 31:02
  Yeah.
• 31:03
  Everybody fears mortality and death.
• 31:04
  Yeah.
• 31:05
  But for some reason, when we see these women on television and in movies, they have to be
• 31:11
  young and fertile and beautiful.
• 31:13
  Or if they're not, then they have to had paid the money and made the measures to look
• 31:17
  that that way.
• 31:18
  That's a good point.
• 31:20
  So just to like combat the YouTube misogynist where they're like, well, it's biologics.
• 31:26
  Women are more fertile when they're young and that's what I'm attracted to it.
• 31:31
  They had to be country.
• 31:32
  I'm sorry.
• 31:33
  No, it was perfect.
• 31:34
  It was perfect.
• 31:35
  I think of like, when I just think of myself, I'm like, oh, I think I look so much better
• 31:40
  now than I did 10 years ago.
• 31:42
  Oh my God.
• 31:43
  I totally agree.
• 31:44
  Like, you know, it's funny.
• 31:46
  I look at pictures of myself from like when I was in my twaties and trying to figure out
• 31:50
  what my who I was and what I liked.
• 31:53
  And stuff you could see I was working on it and trying and then a certain point of just like,
• 31:58
  oh God, who cares?
• 31:59
  Like, I'm just going to die my hair black because that's what I want.
• 32:02
  Yeah.
• 32:03
  But I agree.
• 32:04
  I think we both are look better than we did 10 years ago.
• 32:06
  Yeah.
• 32:07
  Maybe that's because makeup got better now.
• 32:09
  Maybe.
• 32:10
  Or like I mentioned, the face.
• 32:11
  Yeah.
• 32:12
  Yeah.
• 32:13
  No, I'll turn it.
• 32:14
  So.
• 32:15
  Yes.
• 32:16
  No, I agree.
• 32:17
  And I think there's like, I love seeing, like, I follow a lot of counts on Instagram
• 32:23
  of women who are in their 60s who have tattoos and they're rocking their full gray natural
• 32:29
  hair.
• 32:30
  And it's not to say they haven't had something done.
• 32:32
  Maybe they've had their lips done.
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  Who cares?
• 32:34
  Maybe not.
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  But like, they're just like, this is what I wanted to wear today.
• 32:37
  So I'm going to wear it.
• 32:38
  And it's this pair of Chuck Taylor's and Bag of jeans and a lace top.
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  You know what I mean?
• 32:42
  Yeah.
• 32:43
  I love those.
• 32:44
  Yeah.
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  I think that if we go through so much as women, just like as a society, even like you
• 32:49
  have to be this, you have to be that.
• 32:51
  And I do think that we're moving through such a positive way of showing women, showing
• 32:57
  multi-faceted women within it.
• 32:59
  But I do think that we still have quite a ways to go in reminding women of any age that
• 33:05
  they're sexy all the time.
• 33:07
  And that also you don't owe sexiness to anybody.
• 33:10
  Yeah.
• 33:11
  If you don't want to be sexy, then just girl.
• 33:13
  Yeah.
• 33:14
  Fucking don't.
• 33:15
  Yeah.
• 33:16
  Like, you know what I'm trying to say?
• 33:17
  But like, if whatever you wear and if you feel sexy in the inside, then yes, girl,
• 33:20
  you're sexy.
• 33:21
  Exactly.
• 33:22
  But also you don't owe that to anybody.
• 33:23
  Yeah.
• 33:24
  When you wake up in the morning and you are gassy and bloated, you got a new zit, you got
• 33:28
  a new wrinkle.
• 33:29
  It's your, you know, 55th birthday girl.
• 33:32
  Yeah.
• 33:33
  Live your life.
• 33:34
  You still deserve to exist.
• 33:36
  I agree.
• 33:37
  I agree.
• 33:38
  I do want to see more, sorry to say it, baby girls.
• 33:42
  But in the climate, I want to see more, I want to see more like sexy roles in Holly
• 33:50
  Wood of women, older women, like getting their fuck on.
• 33:55
  Oh my God.
• 33:56
  This reminds me.
• 33:57
  That was the perfect, that was the perfect segue.
• 33:58
  I know what she mean by baby girl now.
• 34:00
  Did you see the trailer for Wicker?
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  Oh my God.
• 34:03
  Okay.
• 34:04
  Guys.
• 34:05
  Yeah.
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  Older woman.
• 34:07
  You know what?
• 34:08
  Even then, it's kind of like, oh, she couldn't get anyone.
• 34:11
  So she needs a Wicker man.
• 34:13
  Yeah.
• 34:14
  But I also love it.
• 34:15
  Like, it's Olivia Coleman, right?
• 34:16
  That's her name.
• 34:17
  Yeah.
• 34:18
  That she's not your standard beauty model.
• 34:20
  She doesn't look like Nicole Kimner, Charlie's Aaron.
• 34:23
  She looks like your mom's friend or like one of us who could just be, you know, walking down
• 34:27
  the street or get offy with you.
• 34:29
  And she is doing this trailer.
• 34:32
  She's not to do a trailer.
• 34:33
  Alexander Skars guard, which if that's the only version of Alexander Skars guard that
• 34:37
  I could get, hop it on.
• 34:39
  I have one of the splinterers.
• 34:41
  Well, I'm sure they figured out in the magic.
• 34:44
  There has to be like a Wicker man.
• 34:45
  I'm sure that they figured out splinterless man.
• 34:48
  I mean, if, yeah, I would be worried about my vaginal walls.
• 34:55
  And that'll do it for, and that's on aging.
• 34:58
  So, um, your vaginal walls matter no matter what age you are.
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  You're gonna care a little.
• 35:04
  RISKING IT FOR Alexander Skars guard.
• 35:07
  RISKING MY VATCHNAL WALLS FOR Alexander Skars guard, the Olivia Rody store.
• 35:12
  Hey, I feel like I have talked about, like, how I let that one guy who I thought looked
• 35:17
  like Alexander Skars guard couldn't care if I lived or died, but talked to him for way
• 35:21
  too long.
• 35:22
  And that's what we called him.
• 35:23
  I don't even know that man's name to this to this judge.
• 35:26
  He's a judge us, but his name is Alexander Skars.
• 35:28
  Moving on on the pod.
• 35:29
  Well, poor one out.
• 35:30
  So many of our past scrapbook boy Alexander Skars.
• 35:36
  You know, that's amazing.
• 35:39
  Um, okay.
• 35:40
  Anyway, so Wicker man, so you're, you're signing up.
• 35:43
  You're going to the midnight showing.
• 35:45
  I am.
• 35:46
  You need to go with me.
• 35:47
  Okay.
• 35:48
  We need to meet in Yuma or something.
• 35:50
  I'm not taking Andrew to go see it.
• 35:53
  Really?
• 35:54
  I need to be shifting it in my seat like, can I go to, you know, Craton Barrel.
• 35:59
  Yeah.
• 36:00
  And get some baskets.
• 36:01
  I don't know.
• 36:02
  I feel like we need more storage in our house.
• 36:04
  How do you read decorating?
• 36:05
  How do you need some?
• 36:07
  We should get you patio furniture.
• 36:09
  No, but I do love it.
• 36:11
  I see this with you.
• 36:12
  Like that is such a good way to like say it.
• 36:15
  It's like, Hey, you can be an old lady and get your fuck on, but it's going to have to
• 36:20
  be with a wicker man.
• 36:21
  It has to be made of a wicker.
• 36:23
  Otherwise, you're so well.
• 36:26
  Literally no other actor would sign up for this.
• 36:28
  Or if you look like Kim Kardashian, who is terrified of aging, who looks like Wicker?
• 36:33
  No, I'm saying like she would, she get cast as the fuckable lady because she's, you know,
• 36:40
  she's really about it.
• 36:41
  But can you imagine her trying to act with like a wicker chair?
• 36:44
  It would be perfect actually, both have like the same range.
• 36:47
  Oh my god.
• 36:49
  I'm going to sit on you.
• 36:51
  Because you're a chair.
• 36:53
  No, that's actually to bring up Kim Kardashian, right?
• 36:56
  Like, I think she had a quote last year that was like, I would literally like eat my own
• 37:01
  poop if it made me like look younger.
• 37:05
  And like, I think that's a sad like she's held up as this like prop of like refusing to
• 37:12
  age.
• 37:13
  But even then insecurity that would have to go into that.
• 37:17
  And I was going to say mental illness, but that kind of feels mean.
• 37:19
  No, I think insecurity is absolutely that.
• 37:22
  Like you can't just look in the mirror and be like, you know what?
• 37:25
  That didn't sag like that five years ago.
• 37:28
  But I'm alive.
• 37:29
  I'm healthy.
• 37:30
  Yeah.
• 37:31
  I've made a lot of fun memories in five years.
• 37:33
  So who cares if that piece of skin is.
• 37:35
  Yeah.
• 37:36
  Three centimeters lower than it was.
• 37:38
  So on the Kardashians in general, Christianer got a ton of pros last year because she had a
• 37:45
  phenomenal facelift.
• 37:46
  First of all, it looked really, really good.
• 37:48
  But she has had a string of like eight facelifts through the time that we have known her.
• 37:53
  It's way too many facelifts.
• 37:54
  Yeah.
• 37:55
  Just the skin, right?
• 37:56
  Like, that's a lot of tightening.
• 37:59
  And so this doctor before Christianer had her facelift was $75,000.
• 38:07
  Now it's around 250K.
• 38:10
  Just for faceless.
• 38:11
  But like, can you imagine like that is like a G wagon.
• 38:15
  That is something that is like a whole year salary for some people just on a facelift.
• 38:21
  Way more than your selling.
• 38:22
  And these are the images that we see all the time.
• 38:24
  And we're told we need to strive for that.
• 38:27
  And we need to buy all the skin care we need to work out.
• 38:31
  We need to buy organic food when it's literally poisoning us.
• 38:34
  All of these investments that we have to make.
• 38:37
  And then even that, it's like, well, you still didn't spend 250K.
• 38:42
  It's all capitalism.
• 38:43
  It's you didn't get a facelift instead of a house.
• 38:45
  Exactly.
• 38:46
  Exactly.
• 38:47
  It's all at the end of the day, capitalism that just knows that they can make money off of
• 38:50
  insecurities.
• 38:51
  Yeah.
• 38:52
  Especially women's insecurities.
• 38:55
  Because what we are fed, especially girls on TikTok, honestly.
• 38:59
  Yeah.
• 39:00
  I feel bad for younger girls.
• 39:01
  I do too.
• 39:02
  I'm being fed that like everything that is filtered and photoshopped in AI, that's just
• 39:06
  what you can look like.
• 39:07
  You can look like this if you buy this.
• 39:09
  No, you're not.
• 39:10
  Well, even like 20 year olds getting Botox.
• 39:13
  Oh my god.
• 39:14
  It's like, it's preventative.
• 39:16
  It's like someone just said that to you.
• 39:18
  Like we haven't actually seen the impacts of that.
• 39:22
  Probably the best indication of like prolonged Botox, fillers, like impact to young people.
• 39:30
  It really is Kylie Jenner.
• 39:32
  She started when she was 16 years old.
• 39:35
  She has recently been getting a lot of comments about like, oh, like what is happening?
• 39:42
  Now she looks too old.
• 39:43
  Now she looks so old and like, yeah, it's this industry.
• 39:47
  Like I've said, I said this a few episodes ago, like the second I turned 30, I started getting
• 39:51
  Botox ads.
• 39:52
  Like all of these different things.
• 39:54
  That's when I started getting Botox.
• 39:56
  Yes.
• 39:57
  The minute I turned 30.
• 39:58
  Oh, I still haven't.
• 39:59
  I know.
• 40:00
  I love it.
• 40:01
  I love my Botox.
• 40:02
  Like I said, I'm not going to shit anyone who does things that makes them feel more confident.
• 40:08
  We all do different things.
• 40:09
  We all get tattoos.
• 40:11
  We all dye our hair.
• 40:12
  We all put on makeup.
• 40:15
  Yeah.
• 40:16
  Like whatever.
• 40:17
  But it's to the extent that you feel like you have to do this in order to keep your job,
• 40:23
  in order to keep your man, in order to keep your friends or your status.
• 40:29
  Or like being loved, you're accepted.
• 40:33
  That's just horrifying to me.
• 40:35
  Yeah.
• 40:36
  And this happens outside of Hollywood too, right?
• 40:38
  Like you, there have been studies that have talked about if you are more physically attractive
• 40:43
  and you interview better for roles and you move through it and women see that and men
• 40:48
  see that.
• 40:49
  If you're more eventually attractive, you're more likely to be hired.
• 40:52
  Yeah.
• 40:53
  And they've done studies about that in the workplace.
• 40:55
  So it's like an inherent bias, but I think what is interesting is how people have said,
• 41:02
  like, oh, you can't, like as a woman, you just cannot be attractive physically, like attractive
• 41:06
  or eventually attractive.
• 41:07
  If you're actually attractive.
• 41:08
  If you have a wrinkle, like it's actually crazy.
• 41:10
  No.
• 41:11
  And so I hate that.
• 41:12
  I think we see that through the actresses that we have.
• 41:16
  But you know, hey, if I could look like J.Lo and Cameradie is 55.
• 41:20
  Oh, like oh, Jimmy and they look amazing.
• 41:23
  I do also love seeing faces that are aging normal.
• 41:28
  I don't, aging normalies of messed up way to say, aging without modification, modifications
• 41:34
  in Hollywood because it's so rare.
• 41:36
  People are starting to look very homogenous.
• 41:38
  So Linda Hamilton, for example, was recently in the latest season of Stranger Things.
• 41:44
  This woman has deep set wrinkles, such a distinctive, our full face.
• 41:52
  The minute she came on screen, I was just like, I'm doing whatever this woman tells me.
• 41:57
  She tells me to do 50 push-ups and I'm doing it right now.
• 42:00
  I think the reason it struck me so hard is because you rarely see those types of faces,
• 42:06
  right?
• 42:07
  And this is like a very famous established actress from the Terminator movies.
• 42:11
  From the 80s.
• 42:12
  Yeah.
• 42:13
  And it was always a nice buff body.
• 42:15
  And she always kind of subverted those tropes of like, you know, big, titty bouncing ladies.
• 42:21
  She was like, no, I'm going to build shoulders and now I'm older and I'm going to have these
• 42:24
  wrinkles.
• 42:25
  Yeah, I love that.
• 42:26
  And you know, it just really, I don't know, resonated with me.
• 42:28
  Now I'm not saying I'm going to be that lady someday, maybe I will.
• 42:31
  It's going to be buff chick grandma.
• 42:33
  Yeah.
• 42:34
  Yeah.
• 42:35
  Yeah.
• 42:36
  Like, Pamela Anderson, that's a great example of like someone who was just like, I'm not
• 42:40
  going to do it.
• 42:41
  I'm not going to wear makeup on a red carpet.
• 42:42
  Like, I'm going to age gracefully because she already went through that.
• 42:45
  She already was so sexualized.
• 42:48
  Yeah.
• 42:49
  And she's like, actually, that sucked.
• 42:50
  Yeah.
• 42:51
  I'm just going to like look how I do and let you know time move in and not to say that, you
• 42:56
  know, she doesn't have little tweaks here and there if she wants to.
• 42:59
  Whatever.
• 43:00
  And she's Adam done before.
• 43:01
  But like, yeah, she has more makeup on the red carpet.
• 43:03
  She just, yeah.
• 43:04
  It will exist.
• 43:05
  What an icon.
• 43:06
  What an icon.
• 43:07
  I don't know why don't gorgeous.
• 43:08
  I love her.
• 43:09
  But yeah, we think that you are beautiful and you should be allowed to exist over the age
• 43:13
  of 40.
• 43:14
  Yes.
• 43:19
  And the 60 and 70, 80 and 90 ages above 40.
• 43:24
  120.
• 43:25
  I don't know who is blood are you saying?
• 43:28
  Rest babe.
• 43:29
  Brian Johnson get out of here.
• 43:32
  And that's going to be it for this Aging in Hollywood episode of the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
• 43:39
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• 43:43
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• 43:44
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• 43:55
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