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Dan Cummins is your Huckleberry · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian and
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  Speaker 2: with me is this week's special guest co-host, Mr.
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  Speaker 9: Dan Cummins.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, man. Thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 3: No problem.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being here. You have done a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things looking into it. You're, I guess, still consider
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  Speaker 2: yourself primarily comedian?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You've got so many other projects kind of in the works,
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  Speaker 2: so I didn't know where you focus or if you
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  Speaker 2: can focus these days.
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  Speaker 1: No, I still like, it's funny, I feel like a
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  Speaker 1: transgender or something. I identify as comedian.
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's what it's come to now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. No, I definitely just consider myself a comic,
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  Speaker 1: but I, yeah, like maybe.
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  Speaker 1: The whole time I've been doing it, I've been writing
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  Speaker 1: and working on other things. And then four or five
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  Speaker 1: years ago, I guess, somewhere around there, I got into
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  Speaker 1: some consulting producing just through stand-up. Because I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: work as a– I moved to L.A. thinking I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do some staff writing for sitcoms or write some
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  Speaker 1: feature scripts. And then you write your own projects and
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  Speaker 1: you try and sell them to grind if you have
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  Speaker 1: no resume. And then– no resume in that world. And
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  Speaker 1: then through some like stand-up thing I did for Showtime,
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  Speaker 1: the guy who was a director of that was also
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  Speaker 1: a showrunner in reality TV. And so just like a
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  Speaker 1: totally random thing. He's like, hey, man. Actually, he saw
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  Speaker 1: my credit on some other random thing. That's right. I
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  Speaker 1: did some like sketch comedy one-off for the History Channel.
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  Speaker 1: that would have been so great.
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  Speaker 3: It was called weird. What stuff turns up on now?
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  Speaker 2: Like all those channels used to be very pigeonholed. Now
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  Speaker 2: you're like, okay, like whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Like it was a totally random thing that I got
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  Speaker 1: through a standup buddy and it was called, uh, American
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  Speaker 1: wise ass with Michael Loftus. I had worked with Michael
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  Speaker 1: in South Africa at some festival. I totally, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like, uh, all these random connections. And it
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  Speaker 1: would have been great. I mean, it was, like, a
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  Speaker 1: themed sketch comedy where it's, like, we did, like, a
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  Speaker 1: Beastie Boys-style rap video for the War of 1812. Like,
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  Speaker 1: so random.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, again, if you can make that stuff work,
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  Speaker 2: that's awesome. But that's, there's a fine line there.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was, like, the whole angle of infotainment. It was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, from the network's angle of, like, how can
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  Speaker 1: we make history more appealing? You know, from our angle,
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  Speaker 1: it was just, like, how can we have fun around these?
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  Speaker 1: And we're, you know, like, I'm a history nerd, so
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  Speaker 1: it was perfect. But anyway, I did that. And then
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  Speaker 1: in the credit, I was listed as a consultant producer.
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  Speaker 1: This guy, Todd Hervit, saw it, and he was doing
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  Speaker 1: a show called Porter Ridge, which I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you've ever seen Trailer Park Boys.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love that show, this Canadian mockumentary. And they were
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  Speaker 1: trying to make a real, like, almost version. Instead of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, Trailer Park Boys, obviously actors– Porter Ridge
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  Speaker 1: was just these real dudes in Backwoods, Indiana. And it
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  Speaker 1: was like the real-life version of these guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I steer clear of those areas.
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  Speaker 1: So we structured, you know, all these– I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So I got into it through that, and then I
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  Speaker 1: ended up working on Duck Dynasty and a whole bunch
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  Speaker 1: of other random shows. And then I ended up working
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  Speaker 1: with a buddy of mine like on a scripted series
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  Speaker 1: of hits.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You just end up doing all these different things.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And really kind of threw out all of it. And
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  Speaker 1: I host a show for Playboy now for the last,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a little over a year, almost every week.
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  Speaker 1: You learn that you just love stand-up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I learned. I learned that all those things
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  Speaker 1: are great for paying the bills and they're fun in
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  Speaker 1: their own way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But stand-up's the best.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of applies itself to so many other things
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  Speaker 2: because if you hone that and you, number one, know
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  Speaker 2: how to be funny, you can do, like, the writing
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  Speaker 2: end of it.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 2: If you know how to, like, present yourself on stage,
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  Speaker 2: you can do the hosting kind of thing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It really is like if you can get all that
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  Speaker 2: stuff down, everything sort of works to so many different areas.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's like– especially it depends on what
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  Speaker 1: kind of stand-up you do, but if you do stories,
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  Speaker 1: which I've evolved into, that translates to a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other mediums for sure, especially if you're kind of always
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  Speaker 1: working on new material because then you're always honing your
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  Speaker 1: writing muscles. Yeah, so yeah, a lot of random stuff,
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  Speaker 1: but hoping to just– the goal has always been the same,
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  Speaker 1: and that's get enough– Hopefully notoriety doing stand-up where you
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  Speaker 1: feel comfortable just kind of touring that. And then whatever
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  Speaker 1: little random maybe passion projects spiral out from stand-up, that
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  Speaker 1: would be fun too.
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  Speaker 3: Were you a fan of reality television? No, that's a thing.
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  Speaker 3: Because that's such a separate thing.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is most of the people
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  Speaker 1: who work in that field are not fans of reality.
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  Speaker 1: When you work at a reality TV production company, there
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  Speaker 1: are very few people there who are like, I got
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  Speaker 1: into this business. Cause I love reality TV.
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  Speaker 3: I love the real world when I was growing up. No,
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  Speaker 3: it's my dream.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know what?
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  Speaker 1: It really, I mean, by and large, there's a few
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  Speaker 1: exceptions out, you know, of course, but overwhelming majority of
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  Speaker 1: people working in that field are want to be working
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  Speaker 1: in scripted.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Want to be, you know, uh, editing, uh, features want
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  Speaker 1: to be directing features. They, but you know, it's, it's
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  Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like, okay, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: getting hired for that. I'm not getting hired for this.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'll do this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just the changing industry. Yeah, it's the
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  Speaker 3: changing industry. It's like it is such a huge chunk
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  Speaker 3: of what gets made now.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So if you want to be working, period, it's like
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  Speaker 2: there's a good chance you're going to be at least
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  Speaker 2: some of your time is.
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  Speaker 3: Going to have to fall to that.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a moral dilemma for a lot of us
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  Speaker 1: that end up doing it because it's like I don't
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  Speaker 1: like– reality TV by and large. I don't like what
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  Speaker 1: its effect it's had on entertainment and all these shows
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  Speaker 1: are just like, you know.
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  Speaker 3: That's my problem with most of it, really.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It's just like trash TV and stuff and
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  Speaker 1: it's not promoting anything of any, you know, moral significance
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: Not that, you know, a script and stuff is either,
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  Speaker 1: but it's contributed to that whole like, hey, I can
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  Speaker 1: have no talent and be famous culture.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, which.
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  Speaker 3: That's all we're built on now.
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  Speaker 1: I know. It's horrible.
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  Speaker 3: It's sad because people with talent are getting.
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  Speaker 2: Left by the wayside while idiots are just embraced by
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  Speaker 2: the media and the pop culture.
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  Speaker 1: And ironically, a lot of the people with talent are
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  Speaker 1: the behind-the-scenes people on reality TV.
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  Speaker 3: That are hoisting these idiots.
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  Speaker 1: Making the untalented people famous. But again, it's easy to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: then just don't do it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But then.
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  Speaker 1: You're out of the business.
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  Speaker 3: You're a barista at that point. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for real. So it's like, God dang, it's really tough.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: You know?
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  Speaker 3: That's what you end up doing.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, for me, it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even like Playboy was a little bit of like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: do I want to be in this world even? But
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  Speaker 1: then I just thought about it. I'm like, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with nudity personally. I don't
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  Speaker 1: have a– I'm not weird about sexuality personally. It's not
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  Speaker 1: that interesting to me.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and even they're getting away from that, obviously, these days.
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  Speaker 1: It's non-nude now, the magazine. I mean, our show is
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  Speaker 1: still nude, but the magazine is non-nude. Yeah, but it's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even on that, I'm like, well, all right.
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  Speaker 1: As long as, you know, I talk to them about
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  Speaker 1: that job. I'm like, as long as it's not like
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  Speaker 1: Howard Stern, as long as I don't have to be
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  Speaker 1: mean to anybody, fine.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and that's the thing. I feel like there's like
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  Speaker 3: two modes to Playboy.
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  Speaker 2: There was like the way it started, I felt like,
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  Speaker 2: was always way more interesting because than, like, the weird
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  Speaker 2: 80s thing that it became that was all airbrush and
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  Speaker 2: nothing but pinups.
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  Speaker 3: But, like, when he started it, it was a magazine.
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  Speaker 3: And it's, like, it really.
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  Speaker 2: And even in the 80s, like, they had all these
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  Speaker 2: really serious writers come in and do fiction.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They had great interviews.
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  Speaker 1: Kurt Vonnegut and all these.
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  Speaker 3: But nobody cared because there were naked girls. So it's, like,
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  Speaker 3: if you... That's why I wasn't, like, upset when they...
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  Speaker 3: I mean, people made fun of it when they, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we're taking the nudity out. But it's just, like.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I have an advanced copy of the new magazine.
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  Speaker 1: This is the new one.
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  Speaker 3: That's the new one?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: See, that's... I mean... It is one of those, like.
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  Speaker 1: It's like an American apparel catalog.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of is, actually, surprisingly.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah, it's like they branded themselves in the beginning
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  Speaker 2: as one thing, and then, like, it just changed over
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  Speaker 2: the years, and they never.
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  Speaker 3: Got any respect after that. But I feel like if
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  Speaker 3: you would have stuck.
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  Speaker 2: With more of the, like, lifestyle kind of thing, because
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  Speaker 2: that's the way it was, you know, the Hefner lifestyle, again,
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  Speaker 2: became more of a joke, but, like... If it was
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  Speaker 2: geared more towards, I mean, I guess it still has
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  Speaker 2: to be a little men's lifestyle heavy, but for the
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  Speaker 2: most part, it's, it's still like, I think if it
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  Speaker 2: was more of like a culture type of thing, both
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  Speaker 2: magazine and like TV, I think that would, that would
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  Speaker 2: in the long run be.
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  Speaker 3: Better for them.
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  Speaker 1: But it is a weird thing where it's like when
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  Speaker 1: I got hired, I started like, you know, reading it
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. And it legitimately is a good magazine. Like it's,
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  Speaker 1: It's like in the world of like GQ or Maxim,
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  Speaker 1: but more sophisticated actually, much more mature and better writing.
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  Speaker 2: And they always, again, probably because they've made their money
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  Speaker 2: the other way, but they always paid the most too.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why they would bring in huge names to
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  Speaker 2: write fiction and stuff because I think they were the
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  Speaker 2: second highest paying.
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  Speaker 3: Oddly enough, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: This was years and years ago, but I thought it
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  Speaker 2: was funny that the only one that paid more than
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  Speaker 2: them was Redditor.
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  Speaker 1: Book wow okay really so random so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah i was like well all right You're shooting for Redbook,
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  Speaker 2: but if not, your fallback is Playboy.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe the new brand will work there. Who knows? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the new– did you change? Maybe people will actually read
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  Speaker 1: it now. Who knows?
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  Speaker 2: So they do have a long-term plan for your version
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  Speaker 2: as well, the show?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's confusing.
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  Speaker 1: Like my show, like the morning show, is like the
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  Speaker 1: TV brand of Playboy is disconnected from the– It's not
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  Speaker 1: ran by Playboy, actually. It's ran by a different company
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  Speaker 1: who licensed the name. It's just a branding thing. But
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  Speaker 1: it's like they leased their name, so they still have
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  Speaker 1: say somewhat to. It's like they're like the landlord.
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  Speaker 3: They have to stamp the approval on them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't knock out these walls. I know you
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  Speaker 1: live here and you pay rent.
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  Speaker 3: It's a load-bearing Playboy wall.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You can't take that out.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what they do. I would
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  Speaker 1: love it. There was talk for a while if they
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  Speaker 1: just like, changed the nudity to like lingerie or sexy
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  Speaker 1: and then like allowed us to be more mainstream because
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  Speaker 1: our show is actually like we do two interviews every
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  Speaker 1: show it's like an hour live show you know fun
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  Speaker 1: like talking points and things it could be a more
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  Speaker 1: interesting show for me to do yeah and.
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  Speaker 2: It could have a much wider appeal to people because
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  Speaker 2: yeah you're gonna hit people that are just not gonna
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  Speaker 2: want anything to do.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah like because i mean selfishly as a comic
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  Speaker 1: for me The show is a lot of fun right now.
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  Speaker 1: Working with nude Playboy models is not a horrible job.
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  Speaker 3: Damn it.
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  Speaker 1: Dang it. I got to go to work again.
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  Speaker 3: Got to go to work.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, career-wise, it's also not doing
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  Speaker 1: anything as a vehicle for me building fans because no
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  Speaker 1: one watches it for me.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They put up with me.
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  Speaker 3: It's such a narrow window. They're probably not there for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They may laugh at me, but then they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but seriously, where's those naked girls?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's funny and all.
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  Speaker 3: Get more naked girls.
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  Speaker 1: Get the girls out. Get the girls back out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why, I mean, I don't know. So it's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's fun for now and, and then, but hopefully, yeah, hopefully,
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  Speaker 1: you know, stand up. I feel like I've had a
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  Speaker 1: weird like place in standup. I feel like right now
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  Speaker 1: where it's like, I'm not part, I've never been part
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  Speaker 1: of any really clicks. I've never been part of the
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  Speaker 1: alt click or any.
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  Speaker 2: And there are in these last 20, 25 years, it's
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  Speaker 2: become super click oriented.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And mostly like, I don't even know from the comic
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  Speaker 2: side of it. I mean, there are people that are
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  Speaker 2: huge fans, but it's almost like the fans are, have
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  Speaker 2: created specific connections and clicks that, like, they group themselves
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  Speaker 2: towards those people, and maybe the comics have nothing to.
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  Speaker 3: Do with it.
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  Speaker 1: They listen to Joe Rogan, and whoever Joe Rogan has on,
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  Speaker 1: or they listen to, you know, the Nerdist, or, like,
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  Speaker 1: it's all these families.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the little Patton Oswalt groups over here. We only
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  Speaker 3: like their people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird. But I have, like, these random, like,
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  Speaker 1: super fans, so it's like, okay, I know I'm connecting
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  Speaker 1: with people, but it is this consistent thing that's, They'll
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: come and they're like, oh, I'm surprised you're at this
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  Speaker 1: little venue, but then I also haven't sold out this
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: little venue. So they're like, what?
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  Speaker 3: How is this possible?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I wish there was more of you. Tell
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  Speaker 1: a lot of your friends.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like that, again, watching the way they
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: do stuff here. It's like, it's just, I think, and
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  Speaker 2: I call out our town for this.
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  Speaker 3: In particular, but I think the country overall is like,
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  Speaker 3: there is so much out there now that everything falls
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  Speaker 3: through the cracks. Yeah, it's true, it's true. like some
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  Speaker 3: huge name will come through your town. It's like, there's
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  Speaker 3: a 50, 50 chance.
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  Speaker 2: You'll have no idea what's going on because there's a
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  Speaker 2: million other things being thrown at you or that's all
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  Speaker 2: over the country. The media is so broken now that like,
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  Speaker 2: there's no easy way to get the word out about stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, I think people just miss things and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You need some new way to like.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to build traction. It's hard to like push
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  Speaker 1: through the noise, you know, cause there's just so many choices,
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to, I'm going to keep trying. It's a,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: it's a fun grind.
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's definitely.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: And yeah, you've, you've, made a lot of big steps
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: along the way so it's yeah it's it's definitely traction
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: it's just gotta push through i guess.
• 13:40
  Speaker 11: Yeah you just yeah you just keep going after it
• 13:42
  Speaker 11: well then uh i get trying to get into what
• 13:45
  Speaker 11: led you to this um i guess in the early
• 13:48
  Speaker 11: days what were you more interested in which were you.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: Taken with comedy or which i'm assuming some form of
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: arts and entertainment and lured you in but you know.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: I i uh how do i guess i got unusual
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: path to this i mean I don't know. I guess
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: everybody has their own story, but mine was I came
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: from a very small town in Idaho where no one
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: in my family had ever even gone to college, let
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: alone had a career in the arts. That was just
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: not something... I mean, I'm talking 400 people, no nearby town.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: It was not something people did. The arts was like
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: building chandeliers out of deer antlers. Like, Which is, you know,
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: is a thing. That's crafty, really.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: But, like, legitimately, or, like, you know, the one town
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: photographer who did the senior pictures and stuff would do
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: some artistic photos.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: If you got married, you better get him to your wedding.
• 14:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: He's the only one in town.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: But there was no, like, galleries or authors. So, it's like, okay. So,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: you just... I was happy to get to college just
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: to kind of do that.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: Experience a whole new world of stuff.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Rather than having this, you know... very thought out plan,
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: you know, my only advice for my family was just
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: go to college. That was, or my mom's advice was like,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: you know, be a lawyer, but only not because, not
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: because she even like, I think knew anything about lawyers.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: She just, you know, when you're coming from a small town,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: it's like doctor and lawyer are the two things you
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: think of, of steady, well-paying jobs.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: It's a solid job. Once you're a lawyer, minus that disbarment.
• 15:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: You're probably going to be a lawyer.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've made it.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: You get a paycheck as you chase those ambulances.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean, so I go to college, bounce
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: around different majors. I ended up with psychology, but like
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: while I was there, growing up, I'd always watch Saturday
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Night Live. Not thinking like, I don't remember having thoughts
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: of I'm going to do that. One day, I'll be
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: up there.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: But you know, like I just thought like, oh, that
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: would be awesome. And like in a fantasy way, in
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: the same way that, you know, as a little kid,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: you watch a baseball game and you're like, I want
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: to be Don Mattingly or, you know, for the Yankees
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But you don't like, Yeah. You entertain it
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: for real in a kid way.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Well, in general, like even now I'll just, I'll occasionally
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: see people in the industry. I'll be like, that's a
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: great job.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, even if you don't, you know, I'm not
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: going to get that. But like what I know of
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: it from my perspective, it's like, that looks like the
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: coolest job ever.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: So yeah. So I never know the other side.
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Especially Saturday Night Live, the horror stories.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: So yeah. So I, so I had those, you know,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: kind of childish fantasies. And then I, and then I
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: go to college and, uh, they had this sketch show
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: freshman year that the whole campus was excited about. And
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: it was called waiting for FM. And it was a
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: genius thing for Gonzaga to do at the time where,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: you know, it was a, it was a Catholic school.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of rules. You were kind of,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: even though you're in college, somewhat, uh, oppressed some way
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: by like no inter visit, you know, inter gender, you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: boys couldn't be in girls' rooms at these times and blah, blah, blah.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: And so they kind of had this like, um, Well,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I guess like the function of like a court jester
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: to like, you know, where he gets to make fun
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: of the king.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Alleviate the tension.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Alleviate the tension. And there was this show where it
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: was the exact same format as Saturday Night Live, but
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: all the sketches were geared towards making fun of the school.
• 16:49
  Speaker 10: Hmm.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: And making fun of the surrounding community. So it was
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: like everybody got to air their grievances.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: It's a narrow window.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: And have this cathartic release.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: But you knock it out of the park when you're there. Yeah, yeah.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: And it was wildly popular. Where it was like, you know,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: not every student could even get in. They would sell
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: out the couple shows they did. There'd be lines down
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: the hallway all day at this building next to the theater.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: And so I went. And I just thought it was
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: so funny. And then my buddy at the time was
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: just like, man, he's like, you should do this. He
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: just thought I was funny. Like in school, I was
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: just sarcastic. Yeah. Not even trying to be the class clown,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: but it's like I just thought funny things, shared them,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: people liked them.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Just born a smartass.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: I have that myself.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: I can't not.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I can't turn it off. At times it's inappropriate when
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I spill these things out.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: You can't stop the thoughts.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry about that.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: I need to shut up.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: They're always just bouncing around. And so... The next year,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: my sophomore year, I just– I tried out. I got in.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And then I did it. And, you know, not to
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: be weird, but it's like I was the star of
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: that year's show. And it was, you know, a campus
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: of like 3,500 kids. Everybody went. And I went from
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: being kind of like, you know, a person somebody knew
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: to the person everybody knew, especially girls. I never had
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: so much attention. I mean, I was doing all right
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: or whatever before. I was doing horrible in high school.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: College was like, okay, I can talk to girls. And
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: then after waiting on FM, I'm like, oh, my God,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: they're just– This is amazing. You're the guy to talk to.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: And that plus just being everybody thinking I was the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: compliments about being funny, definitely I thought that was cool.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: And then I did it the next year. And then
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I got into my weird stereotypical music. I'm going to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: focus on my band phase. Turned it down senior year
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: because I was so serious about being a musician. I
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: was so funny looking back.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Make the band work.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I gotta make that. Oh yeah.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I really, I'm finding my sound.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Cause I had another thing where I played a coffee
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: house and made some girls like cry. And I'm like, Oh,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: this is a different thing. Clearly it was all girl focused. And,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: but then, you know, graduation hit and all that went away.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: And I just thought now it's time to get a
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: regular job. Didn't know what it was.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: And then in the year time for a lawyer.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. It was such a confusing year of like,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm going to do. Like I, I, I,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I got a job. I got a degree in psychology and,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: didn't know if I wanted to go to grad school,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: got a job that required a degree in psychology that
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: paid $ 8 an hour, and I'm like, oh my God.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: This is a little while ago, but still.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Well, no, in general, I'm like, this is why everybody
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: gets so worked up over going to school, and I'm like,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: school is such a dysfunctional system.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, it is.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It's such a waste.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Of time and money where in such a small amount
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: of time, you could train yourself or be trained to
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: do any job, short of the doctor.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe lawyer, just about every other thing out there. You
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: can just What's a scam? It's a racket.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you can learn within a couple of months tops,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: you know? It's like some of them within a week,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you're set.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: But, like, we pay so much money every year to
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: the system.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: If you're getting a tech degree or something. It's a scam. Oh,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: it is. For liberal arts, for psychology, philosophy, sociology.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Why do you need anything in the arts? You need
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: practice is what you need.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, go to. a very cheap school if
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that's all you're gonna get if you want to be
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: like a cop or something that requires a basic college
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: degree you know something but otherwise you just yeah you
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: just come out with all this debt well that was
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: me i mean i mean i came out with a
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: lot of debt not as much compared to today's but
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: still a lot yeah job i didn't pay well i
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: found out very quickly i had a very low income
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: ceiling and i was like oh what have i done
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: basically yeah Thinking about going back to school and then
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: in this confusing period of like thinking about so many
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: different possibilities, my fiance at the time, ex-wife now, she just,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: she heard on the radio about an open mic at
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a comedy club. She'd never been to a comedy club.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I'd never been to one. And she's like, hey, you
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: had so much fun with Waiting on FM. Why don't
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: you just try this? Total whim.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Those moments that you never see coming.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: That set, that changed my whole life. It's just like
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I randomly, I called him up. I was like, hey,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: how does this work? I didn't even know how it worked.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, you just do five minutes about whatever
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you want. Sunday's at 8. And so I just came
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: down there, had some friends come, had a couple beers
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: to shake the nerves. And then it gave me that
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: same rush that Waiting on FM did. It didn't go great,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: but it went well enough for me to want to
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: go back.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Enough that the bug infected you.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the bug infected me. And then it was just
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: a very steady progression of goal one is I want
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to– work these little random gigs locally that paid $ 100
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to open. I hear about it. I'm like, well, that's cool.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So I want to do that and get a paid gig.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Why not? And then I do that, and then I'm like, oh, well,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: this is fun. And then I'm like, you know, you
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: talk to those guys there, and you're like, oh, you know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you should work with me here and there. Pretty soon
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you're doing a bunch in the area. And then I'm like, well,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I want to try comedy in Seattle, and there's this
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Seattle comedy competition. And so, you know, I'm like, cool,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I auditioned for that. You know, it's just like a
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: series of things. I start reading books about stand-up and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: realize like, oh, you can get like late night sets
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and festivals are important and blah, blah, blah. And I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: just start making these little goals.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: The fact that there were books about stand-up. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Compared to the world now.
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: Oh, yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Now you're just going to web.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: You're like in a Walden Books going, stand-up. I've got
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: to learn about this. Yeah, yeah. Instead of thousands of
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: YouTube channels. Exactly, exactly.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: It was so different. And I just like kept– It
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: was like one little thing after another. I hear about
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: these colleges, you know, you can get into with NACA.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And so I try for that. I kept setting all
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: these little random goals. And then, but like, again, with
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: not knowing how long it's going to last, not really
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: thinking like this is my life. And then after a while,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I'd done enough of them where I just kind of
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: slowly realized I was a comic. And then, man, then
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I've just been stuck in it ever since.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Were the parents okay with that?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: No, you know, it's funny.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: My.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: My parents were split. My dad was always just kind
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: of the guy who's like, yeah, whatever makes you happy,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: but not even really in a good way, just like
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: in a thoughtless way of like, yeah, sure. I mean,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I could be like, yeah, Dad, I'm selling crack downtown. Hey,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you know, well, there's good money for that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're getting through. That's good. As long as you
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: get by.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Hey, Dad, I'm really kind of focusing on trying to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: get into astronaut school. Yeah, well, you know, I hear
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: there's good money in that. You know, he was just
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: kind of in a like, yeah, whatever. I'll say yes.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: My mom was not– Not excited. I think she thought
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: it was like a phase. I remember early on, she
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: was like, it was a lot of, how much longer
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: do you think you're going to do this?
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: You're missing your lawyer window. Right. Oh, yeah.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: She's like, you know it's not too late to go
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: back to school. I think she finally... When did she
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: finally get on board?
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Maybe I.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I taped an hour... When I taped an
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: hour special or something years ago, then she was like, okay,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I feel good about this, but.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: This seems like it might be a job.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: You know, randomly, she's so... you know, her constructs of what,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you know, her visions of jobs, what they mean, what
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: they are. The Playboy job, which I thought she'd be
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: more like, oh, are you sure you want to do this? That,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: for her, was like, I've made it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you can't argue. That's a solid business.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: It's been around, again, taking a weird turn now, but like,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it had been around since she was little, you know?
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's not going anywhere.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, that's, and what's funny, and it's like,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: you know, not to, I only use this to to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: explain like her mental space, but it's a six-figure job hosting.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And so that, when she found out that, she's like,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, it's a contract for multiple years. It's six, okay,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: six figures. You go to a desk, you talk to
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a camera there. That's a job.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: That's a job.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And so she's still like stand-up, but it's like when
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I tell her, I'm like, you know, I don't know
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: how much longer I'm going to do Playboy. You know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I really want to focus on stand-up. She's like, eh,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it becomes that thing of like, well, you can still
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: go to law school. It's more like, well, you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it's a good job, you know, you might want to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: write it out.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Let's see how this goes.
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: But I don't know, but that's, that's, that's, and then
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: now today, you know, it's like, I got, you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: two kids, uh, and my, my fiance and, and really
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: now it's just about like, how do I do what
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I like and spend more time with them and, you know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: provide more security for them. It's just like, it's become
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: more like practical things. I mean, when I focus on
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: my right stand up, I, I get, you know, into
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: my artistic space and think about like, what do I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: want to say here?
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: But there was a different, like, in the beginning where
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: it was like, I want to be on this show
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and I want to be on that show. I don't
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: give a fuck now.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: The goals are different now. The goals are them. Not you.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Now I only care about shows in the sense that, like, oh,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: doing this show would get me more of an audience
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: so I could make more money doing stand-up.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: Done.
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: As opposed to, like, I don't need any more checks
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: on the resume. I just want to sell more tickets.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: The little goals are gone. You've already gotten the bigger goal,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: which is taking care of your family. Yeah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Look at all the plans I've made.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Falling down like scraps of paper.
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: I will leave them where they lie to remind me.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: From the past the rumor comes.
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: Don't let it keep dragging you down.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Throw the memory in an open.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Fire and you'll be free.
• 25:55
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• 25:57
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• 26:00
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• 26:16
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• 26:28
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• 26:42
  Speaker 6: Imagine a man so powerful his fist can penetrate a
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: six-inch post, whose head, elbows, knees, and feet are loaded
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: weapons ready to explode. Lo Lee is the stranger, a
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  Speaker 6: martial arts master. Lee Van Cleef is the gunfighter, the
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  Speaker 6: legendary man of iron. He carries luck for the ladies
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: and life on his hip. Columbia Pictures presents... The Stranger
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  Speaker 6: and the Gunfighter.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome to Monterey.
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  Speaker 6: Where the law is left dangling at the end of
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: a rope.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: A hangin' town.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: Lee Van Cleef. Low Lee.
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  Speaker 7: Two fantastic fighting machines. The Stranger and the Gunfighter. Together,
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: they can do anything. Rated PG. Parental guidance suggested.
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  Speaker 1: Because I've got to keep on searching for the.
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  Speaker 10: Dream that I've been seeking since I left my Oklahoma.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Martha Stevens, and you are listening to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Movie Meltdown.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: Hey, this is Drifter.
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: You're listening to... That'd be great.
• 28:29
  Speaker 13: Oh, I wish I could be called Drifter.
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: It's not appropriate.
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: I'm a drifter, and I've seen the rain. I'm a drifter,
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: and I've felt the pain, the pain that comes with loneliness.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: So I drift from town to town, searching all around.
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  Speaker 9: That's part of your problem, you know, you haven't seen
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: enough movies.
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  Speaker 5: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: And now, on with the show.
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  Speaker 13: Tombstone shadow Reaching across the plain Tombstone shadow.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I have always gone back to movies, so I
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: guess the.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I have to go, you know, at what point did
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: you realize you were into movies or become this big
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: movie fan?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know, yeah, like I've, I mean, especially growing
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: up in a little town, I loved movies from a
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: very early age because it was just an escape. You know,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: like my little town didn't have anything going on really
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: as far as other than the outdoors, there was a
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: drive-in where you could get ice cream. It occasionally would
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: have video games. It would sometimes have a few video games.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: At one time, it had an arcade, quote-unquote, which was
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: like six video games in a pinball machine.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: It was the best thing you'd ever seen. It was.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what? There's options?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Space Invaders and Pac-Man?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: No, it really was that simple.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: This is heaven.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: But we had no bowling alley, no movie theater, none
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: This is a small town.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: But we had– you know what opened me into it
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: was actually this illegal thing. There was a big thing
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: in central Idaho at this time. I don't know who
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: the hell sold these things. But do you remember early
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: on in satellite TV when the satellites were enormous?
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: You had to like have them come out. I remember
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: before there was even cable that moved into our town. Yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: they put this like what looked like a radio tower
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: on top of our house when I was a kid.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And that was just like– I don't know what the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: different brands were, but we had possibly the best thing
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I'd ever heard, and I still, this is one of
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the best titles ever.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: We had Super Channel. Wow. I'm like, Super Channel, that's
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: pretty damn awesome.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Well, we had in Idaho an even bigger thing than that.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: These satellites, this was like, Mid-80s.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: So like the NASA satellite dishes.
• 31:16
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: No, like I am not exaggerating for people listening. I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: would say, what is it not? Is it diameter? Double
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the radius? Like a straight line through the circle is
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the diameter?
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Or is that the circumference? I get confused.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: This is like what you actually go to school for.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: That's why we both bypass them.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: But if you took a straight line all the way
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: through a circle, whatever that thing is called, no exaggeration,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: these things were probably 15 feet across. They were... huge
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: monstrosities everybody had big yards.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I believe it because you were so far out because
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: i think that's what it is i think the further
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: out because i knew somebody who lived way the hell
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: out in indiana and like they had again it would
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: look like it was something left over from nasa yeah
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: it was like huge.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You poured a huge concrete slab yep like and i'm
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: talking a big one this thing is anchored into the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: concrete and not only and it's you know angled up
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: it's like a In movies, when you see the old
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: things pointing up towards the satellites in space. Again, like
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the NASA stuff or whatever. It literally was.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Finding the satellite as it passed over your house.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: This thing had different rotational angles.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: It's crazy by today's standards.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: And you had a special remote where you could literally
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: push it to move the satellite to a different quadrant,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to point in a different direction to find the other satellites.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: And it would just, you know, this big machine.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: It's these type of things I love, like, Try explaining
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: that to a kid now.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Just Wi-Fi is everywhere.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: It's just everywhere.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: You can watch whatever you want at any given moment.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I had to move my satellite dish.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I had to rotate a giant metal dish to point
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to the right area of space. And so it would
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: It's like medieval times. Oh, yeah.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Well, for TV, yeah. And so we had that. And
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: then we had, they just called it the black box.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And what it was, it was a scrambler. And so
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you got this, some shady TV guy sold this.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Fly-by-night industry.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I still to this day don't understand how this worked.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I've got to ask my stepdad because you would get
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: this black box and you literally for free would have
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: every channel. Or maybe you'd pay this guy, I think,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: a decent amount to initially buy it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a set-up.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: To set it up but then it was just it
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: backdoored you into all channels.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Again it's because nothing was really set up as a
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: system yet it was so early on because like even
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: cable tv was so yeah they're just beaming it down
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and it's like you paid the upfront like they hadn't
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: figured out oh we can get a monthly thing like
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: well no.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: They had oh this game said it already no this
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: was totally illegal That.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Existed, but if you got— This was around then. Oh, yeah,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: but if you got this— Because that's what ours was.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Ours was you put that huge dish on there, but
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: it still was a monthly thing.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Yours was the outline version.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, this was totally illegal. This was they
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: had figured out some way to de-scramble the paid signal
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: and then just get it for free. So anyway, and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I just used all that to explain, like, I had,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: at the age of nine, access to all channels.
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: To everything. And then a lot of time because there's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: nothing else around there. So, you know, and I figured
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: out how to unlock the parental lock on the paid channels. So,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: you know, like nine years old, I'm sneaking up in
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: my room every night watching. And we had one of
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: those systems where whatever showed on the main TV, it
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: just like satellited to all the other TVs.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: In the house.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Like mirrors.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, I just set up on HBO
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: or Cinemax or whatever. And I would just watch, you know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I'm watching Full Metal Jacket. As a 9-year-old or 10-year-old.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: That's what happened.
• 34:49
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: That's what happened.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: And on and on and all these movies. And, yeah,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and to this day, I mean, my favorite thing with
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: my kids and, you know, my fiancé, or my favorite
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: thing for the two of us is just to lay
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: on the couch with some popcorn and some drinks and
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: just watch a good movie. Like, that's the thing I'm
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: most proud of in my house is my entertainment, you know, area.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah I think a whole new generation that came up
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: doing that now is like and probably to the point
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: that that's why the theaters are suffering so much because
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: We can create such a good version at home that
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: it's hard to, like, why do I want to leave?
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's no dickhead in the aisle in Korea,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: you know, checking out their Facebook feed in the middle
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: of the movie.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: That's a good portion of the fight now.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Or talking on the phone loudly. And then when you
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: bring it up to them, they act like you're the asshole.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: How dare you? I'm in mid-conversation.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I'm in mid-movie. Shut that up.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, people, I talk about that a lot in stand-up, actually, recently,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: where it's like the manners.
• 35:48
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Of people have never been worse.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that's part of that weird desensitized generation
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: that have come along. I'm blaming reality television.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding. Paris Hilton and the mentors people had
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: growing up.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: I think that's what it is.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Just being, yeah, pieces of crap, and that's okay. You
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: can be famous. But, yeah, so that's how I got
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: into movies. And then, like, I remember.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I think it was high school, seeing Tombstone for the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: first time. I was really into, you know, westerns. I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: kind of liked, my dad liked to watch them. And
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: then that quickly became like my favorite movie.
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: It's time for Sofa Theater.
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: It was a place where a man could start over.
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: Where a fortune could be made. They say every town
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: has a story. Tombstone has a legend.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Who is he?
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: That's Wyatt Earp.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Bet a name for himself as a peace officer.
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: How old are you?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I'm retired.
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: You must be Doc Holliday.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Are you retired, too?
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: Not me.
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: I'm in my prime.
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: Hollywood Pictures presents.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: The only real law around here is the cowboys.
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: The story of Wyatt Earp the first time in our
• 37:06
  Speaker 12: lives we got a chance to stop wandering and finally
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: be a family.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: Now this is trouble we don't need if we're gonna
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: have a future in this town it's gotta have.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Some law and order.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: What do you want Ringo I want your blood I
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: want your soul I want them both right now.
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: I shot your brother Now the time has come for justice.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: Guess maybe you better swear me in. And he has.
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: To live up to his reputation.
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: You got a fight coming.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I'll be there!
• 37:39
  Speaker 12: One last time.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: None of your problem, Doc.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: You don't have to mix up in this.
• 37:43
  Speaker 12: That is a hell of a thing for you to
• 37:46
  Speaker 12: say to me. In a battle.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: The last charge of wide open is immortals.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: At the OK Corral. Oh, my God.
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: The West would never forget. Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Dana Delaney,
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: Powers Booth, Michael Biehn, Bill Paxton, Jason Priestley, Sam Elliott,
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: and Charlton Heston.
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: You tell.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Them I'm coming and hell's coming with me!
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: Justice is coming to Tombstone.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: This week's Sofa Theater feature is Tombstone. The year is 1993.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Do we know how to pronounce his name right? The
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: director is George Cosmatos.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: You know, I never even paid attention to who the
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: director was.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I just clicked on it earlier. I don't think I
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: realized it was the same guy that did Rambo. Not
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: First Blood, the second one. And Cobra. Cobra. The classic.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: The Sly Salone Cobra?
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the classic in my mind. I've logged in way
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: too many hours watching Cobra over the years.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: But yeah, which really kind of doesn't seem like it. Like,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a weird turn there that I
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: didn't see coming. But George P. Cosmatos?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Written by Kevin Jarre or Jarre.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Also uncredited as sort of the director. So I feel
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: like there was something going on there that. maybe he
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: was really running the show, and maybe that's why it's
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: a little more artsy than your Stallone movies. But the plot,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: according to IMDb, is a successful lawman's plans to retire,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: anonymously in Tombstone, Arizona, are disrupted by the kind of
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: outlaws he was famous for eliminating.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Spoiler alert. Who hasn't seen Tombstone by now? But I'll
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: throw it out there.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: So.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, this early on was one of your favorites,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: or at least from 93 on. Oh, yeah, man.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's still my favorite movie. It just had,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it was just, I don't know, such, maybe because I
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: grew up in kind of a rural environment, and just
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: my dad, and I grew up around a lot of guns,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and a lot of, and my dad was into kind
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: of like, you know, westerns and things, and I just
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: loved the mythology of, you know, these people that, you know,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: a hundred years prior to me being there, had come
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to the same kind of area and came to the
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: West and how it was just like, uh, virtually lawless
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: or like, you know, like there was these little towns
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that technically, yes, we're part of the United States.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: But you did whatever the hell you want, you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: or whoever had the most power, right.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Whatever the hell they want, whether you were the law
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: or not.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Like in this one, it's like, yeah, you might wear
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: the badge, but we're running this town. We do what
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: we want.
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: If you're some, you know, middle-aged guy, like the original
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: sheriff and tombstone, you get a badge and it's like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: you're way out in Arizona, uh, Where there's no backup. No,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: if they send for the military, the cavalry, well, maybe
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you'll see them in a month or so. Or there
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: might be some fort a ways off where a couple
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: guys will come over. But they're busy fighting Indians.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: And they're so spread out, you're never going to get
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: more than a couple guys, probably.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And it takes days to send a message. Or, you know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I guess say like the telegraph and stuff. But, I mean,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: just the thought of like the Pony Express and all
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: those things. And just the way of the whole gold
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: strikes and people just coming out looking for gold everywhere.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: to make their fortune, or to make their fortune in gambling,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: like in Tombstone, it's like where they want to make
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: their fortune in this really kind of semi-shady little saloon
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: gambling hall.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Which it feels like there was a lot of that
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: stuff going on, too.
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Pharaoh.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: There was people just sort of making up opportunities, which
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: is cool, I guess. That's the American way right there.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, I came from nothing, I'm out here in
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere, and I'm going to create.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: This way to make a ton of money.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: It is kind of impressive and shady at the same time.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Almost like the tech startup phenomenon in Silicon Valley, but
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: it's like.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: It's all that same idea. It's just 100 years later.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just crazy where you could come and you
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: have nothing, and your parents were homesteaders or whatever, or
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: you're just dirt poor, and you could come, and in
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: a matter of a few years, you could become very wealthy.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: And also, there's this fantasy, I think, that today there's
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: so much legal red tape with everything, and people are
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: so frustrating... There's this primal appeal of the Wild West where...
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: somebody annoys you, you can punch them in the face
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and not even with a thought of getting in any
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: kind of legal trouble. No one's going to sue you.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: You could punch somebody in the face, knock them to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the ground, and just kick them for two minutes, and
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: then when the sheriff shows up, you're like, what the hell?
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: He insulted my woman.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Not even that. You could kill them. You could kill them.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: When they roll into town, you see that bar fight
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: that comes stumbling out into the street, and it's like,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: he shoots him because he insulted him basically. And he's like,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: fair fight. Like as long as it's a fair fight,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: that's all you had to prove. That's why everybody's got,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: you know, guns strapped to them. It's like, we're all like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: it's all fair. Cause the other guy comes out, he
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: doesn't even get involved with it.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: He's just got the guns on the crowd to make
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: sure nobody else gets involved. And like, exactly. As long
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: as it's a fair fight. you can kill that guy
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: if you want, and we'll take your statement and go
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: on about your business.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if they both got guns, you know, all
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: these simple things, and I think there is, you know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: especially like seeing it when I first saw it as
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: a teen, you know, who doesn't like the thought of like,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: you know, the bully at school or whatever, the idiot
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: you can't stand of like, oh my God, that'd be
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: great to shoot him. That'd be great. And then just
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: to like go back and have a drink. And then,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you know, it's all... that was cool about Westerns. And
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: then I liked just the way, the very cinematic, you know,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: way that, you know, Tombstone is, is shot and the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: cast is fantastic. For me, it's like my favorite Kurt
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Russell role.
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: You know, when he played Wyatt, Wyatt Earp, he just,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like he just did such a good job.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Well, it is frightening. Then when you pick, bring up
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: a picture of him historically and like, oh shit, it's
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: just Kurt Russell.
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: They get a lot of other people to play him
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: over the years, but, Kurt Russell just came out looking
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: like him. It's kind of freaky.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: He did such a great job, and he had the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: right age and look, and his eyes even. They always
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: comment about kind of squinty from being out in the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: sun all the time. He just looked the part. And
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: then Bill Paxton and Sam Elliott, his brothers. Sam Elliott
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: is special. I love Sam Elliott from Roadhouse.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: How can you not have Sam Elliott in your Western?
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I know. It should be contractually. You can't make a
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Western unless Sam.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Elliott's in it. That mustache and that voice.
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: That gravelly voice. He's such a badass. And again, Roadhouse
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: might be my favorite Sam Elliott little side role.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I love Roadhouse, but... but I'm fully aware of how ridiculous.
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: Oh, sure.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: But it's kind of that same thing.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: It's like you see, but it's sort of, I mean,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: you see that coming to like, yeah, he's always like
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the guy who's like, his fate is sealed. Like when
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: he's involved in this, like it's never going to end
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: well for him. He's like so cool, but he always
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: like started off older. So he's always got to be
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: the older guy that the young upstart's got to be like,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I'll show you the ways to do all this, and
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: then I'm probably going to get taken out.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Or he's horribly injured along the way. So that always
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: seems to be his role in a movie.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: And Bill Paxton, I've liked him in a variety of
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: random movies. He's all over the place as an actor.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: You never know it, because he's so calm in this movie.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: You watch... And especially at this time, he was so
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: over the top in most of his 80s into the
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: 90s movies.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was more subdued.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: He's very subdued.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: But he had that big, when he got shot, the
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: big dramatic scene that he did very well.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Surprisingly, I was like, that was actually a good death scene.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Whoever this George Cosmatos is, he really brought out the
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: best in a lot of these guys. It's a movie where...
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like the spaghetti westerns of Clint Eastwood. It
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't so kind of surreal and cartoonish like these caricature
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: type characters.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: It wasn't black and white. Yeah.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Black hats, white hats. Because even that's something I noticed
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: so much in this. It's like Kurt Russell comes in
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: and it's like Wyatt Earp is– he is honorable.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: And that's why he's still our hero.
• 46:08
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: But he's not a goody two-shoes. No. He walks in
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: and he's what they used to say. He's a man's man.
• 46:15
  Speaker 11: Yep.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: The guy's messing with his horse. He smacks him in
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the face with a whip because that's my horse. You
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: don't mess with my horse.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Like he is just a.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Badass from day one, but he's not like, he's just
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: never really goody goody about it. He's not a white hat.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Like he's just like, if you piss me off, I'm
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: going to punch you in the face. But at the
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: end of the day, good and evil, like I'm always
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: going to be on the side of right.
• 46:35
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: But I'm not, yeah, I have no problems putting you
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: in your place because I take care of myself and
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: my family.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: He's such a badass.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, now that I think about it,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: his role was kind of like what I thought of
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: as my dad. Like, not that my dad was really, like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: but my view of my dad at that time, I'd
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: seen my dad, like, get in a fight. Like, my
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: dad was a guy who would, like, he'd punch somebody
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: if they, you know, threatened his honor or whatever. I
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: think it's a generational thing. Yeah, it was.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: What's that older? Several older generations all kind of fell
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: into this.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: And he was, you know, he was good with a gun,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and I just, like, I was like, Kurt Russell was
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: almost like this. like the epitome of this cool father-type
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: figure or just man's man. And then, yeah, so you
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: have him, and you have, yeah, like you said, like
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: a very nuanced character where he's struggling with his relationship.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: You know, his girl is on... Opium. Yeah, which is opium. Yeah, yeah,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: so she's like an opium addict, and they have a
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: very troubled relationship. And then Dana Delaney plays this actress
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: who comes into town, And there's this romantic spark there
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: that they play with, but it never got too mushy
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: for guys.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: I will come back to her. It's funny, though, the relationship, though.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: That scene with them in the street, it's funny.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: When she first sees him?
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Well, no. Again, I've got one for that, too. The
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: one with the wife.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: When he comes out and they're having their little, and
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this relationship problems thing.
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: It's universal.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: That moment has and will probably take place later tonight
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: out in front of some bar, some restaurant.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: The awkward little exchange, I was like, oh, that's just
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: the same. That doesn't go away. That's been going on
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: like that since the dawn of time.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Where you're having trouble in your relationship, and then you
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: notice that some other person's checking your partner out, and
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: they're looking back at them.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Well, and then he's like, I think just the thing
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: between them, he's doing the.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: okay, are you okay, honey? I want to, I want to,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: I want to take.
• 48:26
  Speaker 13: Care of you.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: What are you? And she's like, no, just go. Just go.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't even want to be around you right now.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: And he's like, okay, you look nice tonight.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks. It's the most awkward little exchange.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: In the middle of the street.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, oh, that's, That's harsh.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: That does not change over the years.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: No, I've been there. I've been there in a dying relationship,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Where you're like, that was fun. And that kind of
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: plays to his very real.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: And it plays to his character of like, he's, he's
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: a guy who's trying to do the honorable thing.
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: He's trying to, you know, stay in this relationship, even
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: though his heart's not in it, you know, because that's,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: you know, probably quote unquote, the right thing to do.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I feel like, Maybe they're manipulating this a lot, too.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's the only part I feel like
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: you can kind of see them doing the very Hollywood thing.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: I think like the action stuff and the historical aspect.
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: But when you get into the relationships, I think.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: They kind of gloss over it a little bit because
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: he he makes the one because then i was like
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: i didn't check into a ton of stuff but i
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: just wanted to figure out about the two girls yeah
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: because i'm like number one like they make her seem
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: like the wife such a stick in the mud Such
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: a boring old stay-at-home.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: She was a prostitute.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: If you Wikipedia her, she was a prostitute.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: And he makes the one comment of like, well, she
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: was no angel when we got together. I was like, yeah,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: she was a prostitute.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: So the fact that they kind of were pulling the
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: strings to make her seem like the boring old wife,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: keeping him in the ball and chain, I'm like, I
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I feel a little... A little too much influence on
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: that angle.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I never saw her as the–
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. Like, it's necessarily like the stick in the mud.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I just saw her as so a junkie. We're like
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: so into her own problems.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: And I like her performance, actually.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: I think that end of it she does really well.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I just felt like when I would see their relationship,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: she was somebody who I thought just, like, didn't like–
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: that he was out there not being, just not being
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: with her, not wallowing in her little miserable situation.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: There's that aspect to it, yeah.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: And so she was, you know, always, because that's such
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: a real thing in life too where it's like misery
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: loves company and he wasn't being company to her misery.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: He wasn't miserable, yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: She secretly wanted him to be miserable too.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah. And just, and there was that thing
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: too I thought was interesting where, you know, Where his
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: heart's not in it, and then when you see her
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: catch him checking her, Dana Delaney's character, there also is
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: those things, well, that probably wasn't the first time, and
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: it's probably that thing of there's validity to her side,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: where when you're the person in the relationship that knows
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: that the other person isn't with you for the right reasons,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: that's going to eat you up.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: And probably, referring back to your thing, he's also kind
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: of a celebrity.
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: So it's like every town they go into, even the
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: guys turn around and.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Go, whoa, what's your name? They all freak out. So
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: you know, like you said earlier, every time you go somewhere,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: all the girls are going to be like, oh, I
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: want to go talk to him.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure she's insecure.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: She's got to be insecure from that.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I think the only way I felt that, the one
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: scene where he has the little exchange with Dana Delaney,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: and it's like, oh.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: She's so free spirit. I want to just roam the world,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: room service. And he comes back home to the wife
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: and throws that option out there. He's like, what if
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: we just did this?
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: And she completely, she not even like shuts it down.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: She's just like, doesn't understand. She's like, what are you
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: talking about?
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Like that's not a life.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Like it's above, you can tell, like he probably got
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: with her for, you know, different reasons.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's that again, you get that sense of stability. Like, yeah,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: I've had this ridiculous, you know, outlaw lifestyle.
• 51:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I want to settle down now. I want to go
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: get a real job. I want to raise kids.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I want to have a homestead, you know, it's like,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I think there was that, like, that became a weird
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: American dream thing, too, that, like, I think he was
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: almost buying into that, and maybe he legitimately wanted that.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: And it made his character kind of likable, too, where
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, initially, he sold on this other
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: lady's kind of view of the world, but he wants
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: to bring his girl into that.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: To that, and still do the right thing.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then, you know, like, the relationship is really
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: dead when he just sees, oh, this is not going
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: to happen. I mean, and I related to that now
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: with my ex-wife, where it's like, My dream the whole
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: time was to leave Spokane, Washington. And she knew this
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: from the first moment we started dating. Like literally had
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: conversations very, very early on. I don't want to stay here.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Let's get out. Let's move somewhere cool. San Francisco, Seattle, LA.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: And then the longer we were in the relationship, the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: more weird obstacles she put to do that.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: The more you didn't change your mind.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't change my mind. It's like I
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: would stay the same. And I'm like– it was very
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: important to me, and then I realized years into it, oh,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: she just thought this would go away. She's not– and
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: so I related to that where it's like if you
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: have– then that person becomes a burden to you. They're
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: just an anchor dragging you into a place you don't
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: want to be. And then my favorite relationship in this
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: was– I'm trying to find the actress's name, but it
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: was Val Kilmer– who plays Doc Holliday, my favorite.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Hungarian girl or whatever she was.
• 53:16
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, she was so sexy.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't really recognize her, but she's really fun. Yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: She's great in this film. And I don't know that
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: she went on to do a lot more, but she, um,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that is, he was my favorite character, you know, from,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: from the movie. Oh, I think it's this, uh, Joanna, Joanna.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: It looks like here, Joanna Pacula.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: Huh?
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: She's like Polish. Yeah.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: She's almost 60 years old now. That's crazy. But, um,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: She plays that relationship I thought was so cool, too,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: where she really knew who her man was.
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Like, she knows who Doc Holliday is.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: And she had no insecurities.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: No insecurities.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: He's not going anywhere. I know he's not going anywhere.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: And she's not looking to, she knows that he's a
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: bastard in his way.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Where he's, you know, he's a hard-drinking, thieving guy.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: She kind of loves him for who he is.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, she doesn't want him to change. She enjoys
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the life that they have right now. as ridiculous and
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: sort of outlaw. There's times in the beginning there where
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: they're just taking money off the table and running off
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: and jumping on horses.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: He's not so much a hero right now. He's just
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: an outlaw.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite scenes in the whole movie is
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: when the Doctor has just let Doc Holliday know that
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have long to live.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: You need to change your ways.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to change your ways. He has, what, tuberculosis?
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: What do they call it, though, at that time? They
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: call it the something. But anyway, he has... There's that wild,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: like an Old West.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Term for TB.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to remember what it was.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: The way they refer to it. They don't say TB.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: But anyway, that's what he has. He knows what it is.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: He knows it's a death sentence. She knows it's a
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: death sentence.
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: And then.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: He's giving this speech to her about how we may
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: have to redefine the nature of our relationship. I can't
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: be drinking so hard and smoking and gallivanting with you
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: all the time. And she just was like, no. She
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: lights a cigarette for him, puts it in his mouth.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: and then goes down on him, starts to allude like that.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: And I love that, where it's like, she knows he's
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: gonna die, and that him becoming somebody he's not.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not gonna do him or her any good.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Not gonna do anybody any good. And it's like, be
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: who you are, baby, right up until the end. I
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: thought that was such a cool little scene.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I also read it as almost like, I'm not gonna
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: be around forever, so I'm sort of letting you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: somewhere down the line... maybe you need to find yourself
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: another guy. Like it was almost like he wasn't so
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: caught up in the relationship. Part of it is we're
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: together now. I really like being with you, but let's
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: define this as you still need to figure out what
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: you're going to do.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Cause I know I'm dying.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Like there was just so much unspoken in that little exchange.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, I think it happened after that
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: scene where there's that. Oh, it did it later when
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: doc is talking to Kurt Russell and, When he's in
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: the cabin in the bed.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: When he's... Near death. Sort of dying, pretending dying.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Pretending to be more worse off than he is, yeah.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: And he talks about that girl, his cousin, he fell
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: in love with when he was young. And it's such
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: a window into his mind and his actions where he
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: knew this was the love of his life. And when
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: that was gone... That was it. He knew he would
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: never find another. And so he cares about the Hungarian,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: the lady he's with. But it's not love. She loves him,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I think. And he loves her in a way. but
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: she's also real made about it too they both are
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: it's just like it was such an interesting but god
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: his character and then the my favorite dynamic in the
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: whole episode uh random billy bob thornton i'll just say
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: that to be for the people who haven't seen this
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: movie if you haven't it's so funny you're like oh
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: trevi billy bob thornton yeah such a little bitch and
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: not and not looking like he's no he lost weight
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: after that role and he's kept it off all these
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: years but um You know, the closest you would get
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: to this physicality of Billy Bob Thornton would be Sling Blade.
• 57:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: But aside from that, so there's that random thing there,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: is the Johnny Ringo, Doc Holliday exchange.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: The rivalry.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: And they kind of know, like, the other, like, you've got,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: is it Powers Booth is the other guy, the loud guy?
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there is, you're right, Powers Booth is the, yes,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Curly Bill. Curly Bill is the head of the Cowboys.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Johnny Ringo is his hitman.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: He's the loud one that is going to get all
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: the attention, but we know who the cold-blooded killer is.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Ringo is standing next to him, and he's like, if
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: anybody's going to die, he'll be the one that does it.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: But Powers Booth is going to come in the room
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: and yell and make a big deal and pretend like
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: he's the leader, but we know who's really.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Laying down the law when it comes down to it.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I mean, definitely. There's so many, like.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: It's almost that same dynamic. Like, it's not as ridiculous
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: on the other end. But, like, Kurt Russell is the
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: leader of their little clan. But, like, when you need
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: somebody taken out, Dark Holiday steps up. And, like, you
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: watch that as it goes on. Like, it is sort
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: of that same dynamic on both sides.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: So, it is funny that they even realize that they're equals.
• 58:07
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Kind of playing similar roles in the relationship.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Jason Priestley, one of the, you know, random little accessory
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: cowboy guys.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: It's been so long since I watched it.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: That's the one I was just like, the fact that
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Michael Rooker is sort of the honorable character. Like it's
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: so rare that he ever gets to play anybody on the,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: on the good side of it.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: And he even starts off bad, but like.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: That first little exchange again, he, he's so crazy in
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the real world, but he is a good actor because
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: that first little exchange where they cut to him and
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: you see him like, They take the.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Girl off, you know, the bride, basically, to God knows what.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: And shooter, it sounded like. But, like, you see that
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: disapproval on his face. He's like, I'm a horrible person,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: but I'm not that kind of horrible person.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, and he later references that as being the
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: time he was, yeah. No, and I got to interview him, actually,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: on the Playboy show about The Walking Dead. But I
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: brought up Tombstone, and I wish he had some crazy
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: story about.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: All of his stories are crazy.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: About the horse ride stuff, about some.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: the scenes.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Where they didn't have stuntmen, they really were riding, and
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: there was like some crazy, you know, that part of
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: the movie when, and Hell Rides With Me, you know,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: when Kurt Russell, Wyatt Earp, you know, goes chasing to
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: kill all the cowboys and.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Michael Walker comes with him. One of the couple of
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: death montages.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my God.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: We get a few in this movie.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: It's such a great, it does have so many great
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: scenes where even like the bad guys, Johnny Ringo, you
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: start off like, what a way to open the movie,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: this death scene about all these guys, these cowboys with
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: the Mexican wedding. Just to establish these are horrible people.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: These are horrible people.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Right away, they are not somebody you're going to, as
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: an audience, sympathize with at all.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: You get the power behind them because it's not necessarily
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: those individuals. It's the fact that there's 20 of them
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: to these couple of guys with guns. It's like they're
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: always going to outnumber you. They're always going to have
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: more firepower.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: They just establish themselves as like, this is why we
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: have the power. We're going to overwhelm your little town. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: It does show the threat that they are and what
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: happens to tombstone. It's like, that's why there's these, you know,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: three brothers like trying to stand up against this whole
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: hundred group of men.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: And when they, and then my, my favorite scene of
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: the whole movie is in that Johnny Ringo guy, Michael Bean,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Michael Bean. I don't remember.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: I've talked to him over the years.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: He's it's funny. He's, That's the era for him.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: 59 too, yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Mid-80s to mid-90s is the run because he's still doing
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: a ton of stuff now, but it's a different dynamic now.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, really? But that's, like, you look at him, like,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: because to me he's always Hicks.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Or, like, you go back to Terminator, but, like, all
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: of these, like, even stuff like The Abyss, like, he's
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: pretty solid, and that is, like, a weird... supposed to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: be on their team but super villainous character like it
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: you get all of these performances of him out of
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: this like 10 12 year span of time and i'm
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: like he just turned in these great really solid performances.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: That are like he's done a lot of kind of quiet.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: But always layered performances like and this is one i'd
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: forgotten how good he is in this because you do
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: get like he's not just he's not playing the man
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: with no name he's not just silent Like the scene
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: where he's like kind of drunk and wants to take
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: on Kurt Russell. And it's like, you see how upset
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: he is by, and again, it's not like he.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: Cares about any of these guys really. I think it's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: just an honor thing.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: It's just, you've dishonored me. I don't like you. I
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: want to take you out. And it's like, it's a
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: weird dynamic from him.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: And the ego thing where it's like, you know, this,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: this is that era of like, uh, these outlaws being
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: legends and being like, you know, kind of like, you know,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: now we have all our sports figures and celebrities, uh,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: But at that time, gangsters were the most famous, if
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: you will, people.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: And you still ride that. That's what the rap industry
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: is built on, creating a persona. Your gangster image is
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: why people get shot still to this day.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: But in that time, so much more than now, the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: war hero, the sheriff who was a badass, or the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: bank robber, or whatever like that, those were the water
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: cooler talked about individuals. Those were the people, because you didn't,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: There was no TV channels. There was no movies. There
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: was no professional sports organizations.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: It's just hearsay and stories.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: It's just these legends. And so I always felt like
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: the Johnny Ringo character, he felt threatened by their celebrity
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: where he wanted to be I'm Johnny Ringo. I want
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: to be the name everyone's talking about.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: And he's almost, I mean, you watch him. And I
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: can build my name by killing you. He's almost as skilled. Like,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: you watch him. He is the badass.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Like, he, of that group, everybody else is a bunch
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: of idiots and bumbling. And nobody hits anything. They all
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: get shot and taken out. Johnny Ringo's pretty accurate. Like,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: he's the one that has skill.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: He's a legitimate, like, quick draw.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: So he could be. Like, he's like, why am I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: not a legend? Like, I should be.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just as good as you guys. Like, why do
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I not get built up into this? superhero, essentially, in
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: the Old West.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: So I can see that being a little chip on
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: his shoulder right off the bat.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: No, no, he's like a legitimate gunslinger. Like you said,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: the skill which they show in that saloon scene, which
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: is one of the... This movie's full of great scenes.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: but the scene where, um, you know, Val Kilmer does
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: his little impression of Ringo Starr, or not Ringo Starr, uh,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Johnny Ringo, uh, with the little, uh, whiskey cup.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: That weird little cup he carries with him the whole
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: damn movie.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with a little whiskey cup, you know, like pretending
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: to do the quick draw moves. And then, and then
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: it just builds up to those, those two great scenes
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: of one, so many great scenes, but the Johnny Ringo
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: kind of storyline where, uh, you know, I'm your Huckleberry,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: that line of, you know, like, uh, even though Kurt
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Russell doesn't want to draw down with him, he's like,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I will. I'll do it right now.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: I'll do it right now.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, and then John Ringo, I love
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: how John Ringo's a little like, kind of wants to,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: but he's a little nervous.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Of Doc Holliday.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: He has such a presence.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Well, and he's so self-assured. Lunger.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Calls him a lunger.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think that's why, and the more you
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: get into it, you realize why. Number one, like he
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: knows he's already a dead man.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: He's dead man walking.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: He knows he can do it.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: But I think once we get into that other story,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that's why he so quickly became a legend.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Like from the point when he lost the girl of
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: his dreams, he's like, I don't really care what I do.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Like I've lost the only thing I had that I
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: was concerned about making, you know, this is worthwhile.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: This is my pursuit. Well, now she's gone. What the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: hell do I get? Might as well just go out
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: and blaze a glory.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: And like, he just happened to live longer because he
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: got to be a good shot. But like, really like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: that's where you get that like fearlessness is like, I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: don't care if you shoot me. Like I have nothing
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: to live for.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: So it does kind of give him this extra little
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: edge over Michael Biehn that I'm like, I don't think
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: he wants to die.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: So it's a little, like, I think that's why, especially
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: at the end there, you see that fear finally.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, no, I was going to fight Kurt Russell.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Well, exactly. That plays into that final scene.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: He wasn't scared of Herb Weider at all.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: But, like, he knows Doc is fearless. And he's like, oh, oh.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Because Kurt Russell has things to live for. He's got
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: a family. He's got a wife.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: He knows that, like, you know, Doc has nothing to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: live for, does not care if he gets killed.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Well, and I love how Doc Holliday also recognized that
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Johnny Ringo and him are kind of cut from the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: same cloth.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Where, you know, like, when he has that scene where,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: you know, he's in the cabin bed talking to Kurt
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Russell again and trying to talk him kind of out
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: of a few things. And Kurt Russell, you know, asks
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Val Kilmer, like, well, you know, what is his deal, basically? Like,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: what's this guy's problem? And he has that line about, like,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: He's angry at being born. Like, he doesn't know why
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: he's here. He's just... furious at the world. There's a
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: fire that you just can't put out. There's no rational
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: thing that's going to calm this man down.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: It's not a specific one to two thing that led
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: him to this. It is just his nature.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's his nature. He was born this kind of monster,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't know why he's a monster. He just is.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: And Doc, I think, has that same... He's a little
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: more humanity to him, but he knows that feeling.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he knows he's a killer.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: Again, Like, from that very first scene where you see
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: him just robbing people, it's like, he really is just
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: an outlaw. He's just an outlaw who happens to be
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: friends with a guy who's honorable. And by the end,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: when he says, he's my friend, that's the only thing
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: that separates. I think he and Johnny Ringo could be
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: in a group together, you know, in a different scenario.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: If things had changed over the years, he would have
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: been running with him. And they may not have even
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: been part of the, you know, the Red Sash Bandits there, but, like,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: they could have had their own gang.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: And that's what's interesting about these worldies people living in
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: these Wild West, too, which, like, they have their own
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: moral codes.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Completely outside and different from the law, you know, on
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: both sides.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: You know, the good guys, too, are not like, you know, again,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I love how nuanced, but, God, that last scene between
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Ringo and Holiday, I love that at that point, just
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: with his skin color, even, like, the makeup they used
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: in the movie. He really is, at this point, it's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: like a ghost story. Like, he's, it's like he's dead.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: He really is like a dead, a wraith that's come
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: from beyond the grave.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: To protect his friend, basically.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and dressed all in black. I mean, he's like,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: at that point, for that scene, he's the Wild West
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: version of the Grim Reaper.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: And Johnny Ringo knows that. The recognition on Michael Biehn's
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: face where he's like, ooh, you know, like, I didn't
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: expect you.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when it's just, he shows up and he
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: didn't know it was going to be him. And, like,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: it's that shock of, like, oh, this might be, like,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think there was any fear when he thought
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: it was going to be Whiteheart.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: But, like, because, yeah.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: He was just a little half-strung.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 11: Just a little bit.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Just that thing at the end, yeah, that line, come on,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: come on.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: They're very consistent with him.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: What a great guessing.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Well, just the pastiness and the constant sweating.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Like, the more I watched it this time, I'm just like,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: they never let that falter.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: Like, it is always.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Val Kilmer's best role.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Even when they're heading to the gunfight at the O.K. Corral,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: he's just drenched in sweat. And the other guys are
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: wearing 14 layers of black, and they're fine, but, like,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Doc Holliday is just drenched in sweat, beads all over
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: his face, and then takes out half the group. Like,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: half the kills are Doc, you know?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. It's... It really is. I mean, it's such
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: a great movie. It's like, every time I see it,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Beyond holds up.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Where it's like to the costuming, the lighting, the directing,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: the cinematography, the casting is incredible. The fact that.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Everybody in there is somebody. This time I was like, oh. Oh,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: I never stopped going, well, how is he in this too? Like,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: it's everybody is somebody.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: All these random, you know, roles and stuff like that.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Like Jason Priestley playing this little piddly, wormy guy. And
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: it's like, what?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: We never really fully get the story there. Like, there's
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if they wrote it and
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: then took it out or they just didn't define it
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: and he maybe brought stuff to it.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I think it was just kind of a hanger on,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: you know, where it's like, you know, you get these
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: scenes where you get these big alpha males.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: These, you know, like Curly Bill. These, you know, yeah,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: that are just... men's men yeah and then you get
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: these other smaller guys who just want to hang out
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: with want to be in.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Their want to be cool by association you know exactly
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: keeps me from getting my ass kicked by other people
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: yeah you guys make fun of me but i'm also
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: kind of protected because i'm sitting with you yeah so
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: it's yeah i get that but i also like his
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: turn at the end of like wanting to be noble
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: and wanting to be on the side of law and
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: like again I feel like there's almost a whole other
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: movie that could take place right there yeah that we
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: just kind of get a little window into but yeah
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: that's all those performances are great I was gonna go
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: the I mean the one that always gets talked about
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: as good as Kurt Russell is like Val Kilmer I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: don't know had ever or will ever deliver a performance
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: That's his moment right there.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: By far.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: And it's funny that they keep making fun of him.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I can't believe he didn't. I don't think he won anything.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember. Was he nominated? I feel like
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: he might have gotten nominated that year, but I know
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: he didn't win.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now I want to see his awards and nominations here.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: But it's like, you never get anything as layered. Iceman
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: certainly isn't a layered character. You're not getting Oscar nominations
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: for real genius.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I never saw The Doors. I will say, I heard
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: that was his other, Jim Morrison was his big, and
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: for some reason, I never.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: He's good, but that has so much baggage to it. Again,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: you're kind of playing real in both cases, but I
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: feel like.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Funny, you know what he got for Tombstone? An MTV....
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Male performance truthfully but again I say this all the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: time I'm like MTV at that point was kind of
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: way more on point than most things going on in
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: the arts and media like number one, they were creating
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: so much influential stuff in the mid-90s there. That's true.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: That was their peak as well.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I give them, like, people make fun of MTV, and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: it is kind of a joke now, especially since there
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: is no reason for MTV now that YouTube exists.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: No, it's just trash TV now.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, like, from their inception to the mid-90s, like,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: they were super influential, and, like, you look at, like,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: the MTV Movie Awards, like, they were calling out stuff,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: and it's, I made up my own award show, and
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: I did the same thing. I'm like, best monster, best kill, like,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: These are things that people enjoy in a movie. You know, like,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: you can get as artsy as you want. I appreciate
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: tons of arthouse movies, but I'm like, there's something to
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: be said for, you know, best kiss, best, you know,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: death scene.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Like, these are important things, too. And so, like, the
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: fact that they give it to him seems about right. Like,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: they kind of know what works in a.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Movie, and especially at that point. And, like, they're right
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: on the money with this one. Like, he's awesome.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. No, he's so, so good.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: But also, like, It's a weird, because I feel like
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: that one, they have to be taking a ton of license,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: because you really don't know. Like, you know the stories
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: of Doc Holliday, but you don't really know anything of
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: his demeanor.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, the way that
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: he plays him is so interesting, not just because it's nuanced,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: but also because he's so not a man's man. Like he's,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: he was a Southern gentleman on the page.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: He could be taken to be such a, a like sissy,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: you know, just like, because he's speaking Latin, he's using like,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: what was the one he says?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Uh, you're a Daisy. If you do, I'm like, okay, you're, you're,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: you're really impressive.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: If you can be a bad-ass and pull off that line,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: which he does as he then turns around and shoots
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: the man.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, he was a dentist or something, right?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Like his background, the doc part of it.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Where it's like, That's what's interesting about his character, too,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: is educational-wise, he's the most educated by far of anyone
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: on either side.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: And yet the most ruthless killer of them all.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Except for, you know what? Johnny Ringo speaks Latin to
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: him in that one scene. Johnny Ringo has some level of.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: Which, again, shows why they're both the most skilled out
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: of each side.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Well, they did a fun thing with the gangs in
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: that side where you have Wyatt and the lawmen and
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: then the cowboys... where they did that fun mirror image
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: where Curly Bill is Wyatt Earp, and then Johnny Ringo
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: is Doc Holliday. Sam Elliott and Morgan would just be
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: more like two of the other, maybe even Michael Rooker
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: and Thomas Hayden Church, those kind of parallels.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Actually, it probably would be those two. Those two buddies
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: would be Thomas Hayes Church and Michael Rooker.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: For somebody who doesn't kill anybody, he lives a long time.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: He gets them into a lot of the situations. He
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: and the weird guy with the beard. I don't remember
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: what that guy, but.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: He lives the whole movie, essentially. Spoiler alert.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, that bastard gets him in so much
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: trouble throughout every scenario. And then by the end, I'm like,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: why did they not shoot him in the beginning?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: He would have saved so much time.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: God, he was such an interesting character. That's right.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 13: Ike.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, all attitude, but nothing to back him up.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: He's still just kind of a bumbling idiot, but he's
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: got so much manly pride that he can't take any criticism.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: He can't have anybody one-upping him.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Stephen Lang. That was, yeah. A stage actor of great recognition.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Stephen Lang, and he's been in a ton of films.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's right, man. When he played Ike Turner
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: in that. Not Ike Turner.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: Ike, Ike, Ike.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: That's what Club got to do.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Ike Clanton.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: There we go. Oh, that's right. And Thomas Hayden Church
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: was Billy Clanton, was Ike's brother.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: God, man.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Pretty involved in the whole thing.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: So, so many just great performances. And again, just funny
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: looking on the IMDb. how you have just this random
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: Billy Zane, you know, who played the actor.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: But again, like on the page, you could have Doc
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: being the same. Cause again, he's just as educated and
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: cultured as Doc, but like, there's the fine line of
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: like how you play it.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: You could make him like Billy to definitely makes him
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: more fancy and more artistic.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: And then Doc's just like, I have all the education
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: of that, but I'm also like, drunk out of my
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: mind most of the time, and don't care about life.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: It just is a different way of playing it. Again,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: Val's gone on to do some really weird performances since then,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: but this, you can't fault him. He's so damn good
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: in this. This really is his moment.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: Of, damn.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: John Corbett? John Corbett played him? That was one of
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: the ones I was like, what is he doing here?
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: Because he really doesn't play any important role in it.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: He just sort of runs off every time the gunfighting starts.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: It is such an amazing cast.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: It's just weird. The people that keep turning up in it. Yeah.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: It's just, just a, just a powerhouse group of actors,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: you know, Charlton Heston, Charlton Heston.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: I know the cameo from Charlton.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a Western. Now we put Charlton Heston
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: in it.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: God, man.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: And even the narrator is Robert Mitchum. I'm like, we're
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: going to cram in as many old cowboys as we
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: can in this thing.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable, man. I love it. Uh, uh, Paula Malcolmson, who plays,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's Morgan's wife or Sam Elliott's wife. But
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: she had a big role. She's in the Hunger Games
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. It is crazy. The
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: sheer amount of people that went on to have such
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: fantastic careers that were in that movie.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 13: I want to move and go places and never look back.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: Just have fun forever.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 13: That's my idea of heaven.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: Need someone to share it with.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: Though if i mean i again i try to balance
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: it at all or whatever issues i have i try
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: to at least address if there's something i feel like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: is the weak point in it and it's a shame
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: because i like dana delaney yeah i feel like it's miscast.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah that one character huh yeah i.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Don't because that and they were trying to do this
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: and i don't know if it was her or her
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: agent or somebody because I love China Beach and I
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: think she's amazing on that.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: But she is such the good girl on that show.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: Like she is the noble one. She's always doing what
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: needs to be done.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: And all the other people are horrible war people, you know,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: but like, she's always the one holding down the fort.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: So they went through this after she left, I guess,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: trying to change her image. So it's like this exit
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: to Eden. And like, they kept trying to cast her
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: as the bad girl. And I'm like, Maybe it's just me,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: but I just can never see.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Her as that. I watched China Beach a little bit
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: as a kid, but never really got into it. I
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: don't have any preconceived ideas of who she is.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: Some of it may be that, but again, watching it today,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: I was trying to disconnect that.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: I'll have to look at that next time I see it.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's just an awkward relationship.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the actors or just the
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: way the story is written. I feel like We spend
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: a good amount of time with this relationship, but at
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: the same time, it's all sappy longing glances, but I
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: feel like there's not really a spark to it.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, so just the chemistry.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: I feel like there's not a chemistry between them, but
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: they do. They both are good actors. So they both
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: do a good job.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Of presenting these scenes as though they're supposed to be
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: this like. And as the story goes, there is like
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: he really does end up with her.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: They stay together for years.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: So like, yes, there is supposed to be this spark
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: in the moment. And like when they see each other
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: on the street, it's supposed to be this very dramatic
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: thing that happens.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: And then they will eventually lead them to be together
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: for the rest of their lives.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: But like, I never feel it when they're talking to
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: each other.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Even when they're so heavy-handed, as they first meet and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: they talk about the horse being in heat, I'm like, oh, subtle.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. They're already doing this weird literal chemistry
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: going on here.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: I wonder how old Jennifer Connelly is. I'm trying to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: think of an alternate for Dana Delaney's role.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because at that point, she might have been a
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: little too young.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 11: Well.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think she would have read a
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: little young. I think really she was probably not much
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: different age-wise, but she always read about five to ten
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: years younger than she really was.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: So I feel like she might have not gotten it
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: because of that, but I don't think she's that much
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: different in age.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Or at that time, Meg Ryan even.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: She's right in some roles.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Before the collagen, this is like pre-plastic surgery and kind
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: of getting a little weird.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really. These days, it's a different world for her. Yeah,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of a good alternate in the mid-90s.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in early 93. Yeah. So they probably shot
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: it in 92. So around 92, like, who would have been...
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Who would have been the go-to... The good romantic.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: That actually would.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Bring a little, like, Because that's the thing. I feel
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: like for somebody who's supposed to be in that role.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: She's kind of not. I see what you're saying. I
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: don't feel like any real heat to it. To me,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: who exudes more raw sexuality, you know?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Cause even like, I, I think the, the wife is
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: actually really attractive and I like her performance and I'm like,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: I don't really see you leaving her for her.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't get anything that you would want
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: this role to be like somebody who's so seductive that
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: you're like, well, no wonder he can't fight it.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, where I don't get that from. And
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: I liked him. I just don't get that.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, when I saw, I always assumed
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: that his attraction to her had as much or more
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: to do with like, The kind of way about her,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: the lifestyle, what she did at the time was so novel.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: And interesting where it's like, you know, you got all
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: these dirty ranch hands and dirty cow. And then you
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: have this one, like, lady from the theater from the
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: East Coast who is educated and well-spoken and, you know,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: artistically bent.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: And it would just be such an anomaly.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like I get it on paper.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: It's just the watching it, the chemistry is a little off.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 9: God.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: That's about the only thing I had with it.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: It's like, that's the one I feel like the strings
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: are being pulled to make us go like.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, I want him to be with her.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: We know historically he's going to be with her, so
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: we have to kind of make this work.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: We're going to recast this. We're going to see 1993
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: sex symbols. I'm trying to think who would have been
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: at that point. 1993 sex symbols.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: Teresa Russell. I don't want that, but she was getting
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of roles back then.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Google doesn't care as much about the 1993.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with Google? They put Pam Anderson in there,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: but no.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: That can't be right.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: What was the.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: Kim.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, Alec Ball... Kim Basinger? She was a name, but
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: she wouldn't have the right look, I don't think.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she doesn't really have the right... I'm also trying
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: to find somebody who would work in a Western, okay?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: I know, because you've got to have the right... You
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: can't look too Hollywood.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't. And too modern era to not fit in.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Sort of. Yeah, because they're even like... The association with
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Ashton Kutcher and everything kind of changed, but at the time,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Demi Moore was getting a lot of work.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Turned in some good performances along the way. She did
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: also did a lot of crap as time went on, but.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: She was trying to do some heavy acting somewhere in
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: the middle of that.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: Um, you know who might've almost, well, she's kind of
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: a similar look with Jillian Anderson at that time, you know,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: from the X-Files.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: I would be okay with that.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: She had a little bit more sexiness.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: And hers is so understated. Like that's, that's what you
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: realize in the middle of X-Files.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, she's pretty. And like, A few episodes later,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, my God, I love this woman.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, she was in a maximum spread in, like, the mid-' 90s.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: And I was like, holy.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: Well, and, like, watching the new episodes now, she looks
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: just as good. She might look better.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Like, it's amazing how good she looks now.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 9: So, yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: You know, could have even, like, it sounds kind of weird,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: but she can be surprisingly good-looking in some ways. Jodie Foster,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: that was, like.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: Well, see, that was, like, Maverick.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: And she kind of makes that work. Like, that one's
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: a little more tongue-in-cheek and sort of self-aware as a Western.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: But, like, I could see that.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Like, I was always a huge Jodie Foster fan.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I would not have a problem with that.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: I would swap her out with Dana.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the rest of them don't really work. Like,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: that I can find right off the bat, because there's,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: you know, like, your... your Jennifer Aniston's and things that
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: won't work in a Western.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Definitely not in a series.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Alicia Silverstone.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Same thing to go from Clueless to Tombstone. You know,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: it's like.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: Still reading way too young.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, too young and just not the right look. Helen Hunt,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: you know, but not as sexy.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: At the time, I can see her getting cast, but yeah,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: it's still not the right... Again, it's like trying to
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: find that balance between she has to pull off being
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: educated and a performer, but at the.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: Same time being just.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: You know, you can't fight, you know, this is why
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: I'm going to destroy my relationship is for this girl.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: Which again, them kind of pulling the strings.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's also like he could be a
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: real bastard if he just turns around and leaves the
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: wife for her. So they're like, quick, throw in a
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: little epilogue where she ODs.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: Right. Be sure and get that in there so he
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: doesn't look like a horrible character now that we've made
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: him our hero. So I feel like they throw a
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: lot of that. The relationship is the only part I
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: feel like really.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: A little shoehorned in there.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: They're working it. Well, they're working the angles.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: Like everything else feels legit. Like it's just like this
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: is more or less historically how it went down.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: We just put our own little spin on it. But
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: that one feels like, man, we got to work in
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: this relationship angle somehow. Like that's the part that feels
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: just sort of. forced a little more.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: But you know you know it really is like a
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: tough casting though because a lot i'm almost thinking like
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: i don't even know because there's drew barrymore there's all
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: these people who just don't have the way off yeah
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: don't have the right kind of look for that kind
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: of role or you know or if you go more
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: um uh you know, ethnic and stuff, like, then it just,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: because of the times, it doesn't work.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: It changes, yeah.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Because historically, you're not going to buy a black actress
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: because it's like, well, they just didn't have interracial dating,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: you know, in the West like that.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not in a.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Not in a Western.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: Not in a civilized way. I'm sure it was going
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: on all the time.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, sure, it was going on.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: But not in the middle of their little fake civilization bullshit.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: But the audience wouldn't bump on it. It just, yeah,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: it's historically not. And then if you, same thing if
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: you had, like, you know, Hispanic or Asian, it just,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: there wasn't the... out in front of everybody.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: The rest of the town would have issues with it.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: It went on all the time.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, but then you've got to address that in the movie.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it becomes a different angle at that point, especially
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: since she was a real person too.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: That makes it a little harder.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's a tough call. Well,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: maybe it was tougher than we thought. They had a
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: lack of, maybe it could have been more of an unknown,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the thing. I think there could have
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: been more of a spark between them.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: But other than that, everything else is pretty on point.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: I keep coming back to almost Demi Moore, but I
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: don't know if she would have been right just with
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: her voice and stuff.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: That is weird.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: But she would have been the right She.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: Was getting most of the roles right around then, yeah.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: So that would be something.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Or what's the lady from Basic Instincts? Sharon Stone. But
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: she's too masculine almost.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: Well, quick and the dead. Like, she did that. And
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: she does it.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: To me, that's maybe my favorite performance of hers because
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: she barely talks.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: Like, she does.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: It's not really a slam on her. It's a slam
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: on her acting really, but not her as a woman.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: But I do like, because she is basically playing the
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: woman with no name. Like she is meant to just
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: be there as a, as a tool to take out
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: bad guys.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: And she's a bad-ass and she doesn't even bother to
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: speak most of the movie.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: So like she pulls.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: These other weird maneuvers and a lot of her other performances.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: So she can do Western.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: And she can be.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: Tough, but yeah, I think it would be a tough
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: call to then turn it the other way and have her,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: not be like the Alan Quartermain heroine all of a
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: sudden where she's just kind of ditzy.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: That's a fine line for her, too. She can play
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: both angles on that one, but I still don't know
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: if the chemistry.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: You'll have to have your listeners chime in.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: That's, yeah, right in.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: That's the dilemma.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: What's the best casting....
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Done a better job as Wyatt Earp's love interest than
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: Dana Delaney.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: You can't argue with the rest of it. You know,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, Sam Elliott built the accent like everybody
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: else is so solid.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like that may be the weak link.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, write in and tell us who's the right casting.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: Or defend Dana Delaney.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: I really like her as an actress. I just think
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: this is miscast.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Or write Dana Delaney and just ask her why she
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: couldn't have done a better job.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: She can hold her own if she wants.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: I will certainly give her a chance to defend her
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: choices as an actress.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Nah, she's She was great. It was a small critique.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Again, I do like her performance.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: But you know what?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: It's just different.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: You're right, you're right. It would be interesting to see
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: if there was more of a sexy spark.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: And I wonder if it's even possible that that was
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: intentional where they didn't want to distract from other story elements.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: Which could be. But again, it's like they spent so
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: much time on it.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like I can understand if we want to
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: focus more on the gunfight at the OK Corral or
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: him attacking the bandits.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, we spent a good amount of time
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: on that relationship.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: But they really didn't. It's not like all the other
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: guys were like, ooh, hubba hubba. I mean, they were
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: interested in her, but not like, god dang, that.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: Is, you know.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: Or they all just saw him, like, goofily looking at her. Like,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: they just kept cutting to those times where they just
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: stare at each other.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: Then go back to what they were doing. I'm like,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: maybe Rice went, oh, God, this is going to happen.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Just stay out of his way. We'll go find this
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: prostitute over here.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: Leave her alone because, you know, he's going to be
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: on that eventually. We could all see it in his eyes.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Any other specific points we need to.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: No, I think we got it.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: We've covered quite a bit, which... There's a lot.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: See, if you haven't seen it for some reason, man,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: you're missing out.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: You did this wrong. You're supposed to watch it beforehand.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: I warned you. It's your own fault. But yeah, I
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: think it's it.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: And again, I had not seen it probably in easily
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: 10 years or more.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe longer than that. And it from every every other aspect,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: it holds up like visually. That's kind of why I'm
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: wondering if that writer guy that's listed as unofficial director.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Also had a hand in like maybe so because there
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: are like those that that's the one thing i was
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: going to say it is such a return to classic
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: western yeah and a lot of it is the cinematography
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: the settings the costumes all of that stuff that i
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: feel like it probably like Because when she said that,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, it's probably everybody's dad's favorite movie.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Because it's so old school Western. They were trying to
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: do sort of those modernized Westerns. And this came along
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: and was just like, no, this is the big, sweeping, badass,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: man's man kind of old school Western.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 12: Oh, yeah.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: But it has the score. It's got the scenery. Everything
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: kicks in. And you're like, you could show this.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: To your grandpa. And he's like, yeah, this is why
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: I love Westerns. It still holds up. And is not
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: trying to do something weird.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: It's not a Quick and the Dead, trying to modernize
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: it to the point where it doesn't read right for
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: old school Western fans.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: No, it was in there. I was just looking up
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: another one from that era that's one of my favorites, too.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: It was Unforgiven, which was just the year before 92. Yeah.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: But I feel like even that one becomes a little more.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: A little more stylized?
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: Well, and a little more self-aware.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: It's almost like you would have never had that much
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: of a thoughtful main character.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems like it's got more
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: of a... written end of it a moral.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Compass yeah and to where this is a little more
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: of like let's focus on the gunfights and being cool
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: yeah which they do but i'm just like unforgiven feels
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: way heavier as like a property where tombstone is just
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: like here we're gonna tell this story and russell's a
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: badass by the way yeah yeah yeah doc holiday kills
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of people like so it's it's more of
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: a a I think more of a traditional Western where
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: I think like Unforgiven is trying to decode the Western.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: It's just like I'm built up this character and why
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: did I get to be this character and how do
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: I escape from being this character?
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, and I'm probably going to be killed. It's like
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: it really.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's more of a deconstruction kind of thing
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: that happened. But yeah, it was like that was when
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: they were kind of making that comeback.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: Because, I mean, Clint Eastwood never stopped doing them. Every
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: couple of years, he'd still knock out one, even when
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: they weren't really popular anymore.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: Like, he still kind of, he loved the genre so much,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: he kept doing them. And it wasn't, I think, until Unforgiven,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: they kind of got taken seriously again.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They were like, oh, Oscar-quality Westerns, okay.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: So that's probably what really threw the green light on
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: this one. If it wasn't already in the works, they
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: probably threw a lot more money at it all of
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: a sudden. They were just like, oh, yeah, Oscar-winning Westerns here.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: Bring in as many extra actors as you want as
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: many famous people as you want in this movie so
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: yeah i think i think that's what i have to
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: say going back and re-watching it now is how well
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: it holds up from all those other angles yeah just
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: like visually it's stunning stunts are amazing you know it's
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: it's relatively bloody.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: When it needs to be it's realistic enough that you're
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: like yeah this.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Is the old west it's it's bloody and gross a
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: good portion of the time yeah so yeah i think
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: all of that still holds up Well.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Thanks for talking to me about it, man.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: Thank you for choosing it. I think, yeah, now we
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: see why it was so deep-rooted in your favorite movies.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: So I guess tell people where to find you. You've
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: got many things in the works, so what's the best.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Way for people to keep track of you? Create a
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Pandora station for Dan Cummins. I've got four albums and
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: a fifth coming out on there, and iTunes if you
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: want to just actually get them, and then Spotify and
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. I prefer people to Find me through
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: my stand-up. And then I'm on Instagram, Dan Cummins Comedy, Facebook,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: Dan Cummins Comedy, D underscore Cummins on Twitter. And I
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: got a– I'll have a podcast myself coming out, which.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Is– Everybody does.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 13: It's okay.
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  Speaker 1: I've had him in the past. I've had him in
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  Speaker 1: the past and let him go. And I'm trying to–
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  Speaker 1: I prefer to actually guest on other people's rather than
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  Speaker 1: do my own.
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  Speaker 3: I understand. But– It's a lot of work keeping it going. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, really just a stand-up, man. I hope– again,
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  Speaker 1: Spotify and Pandora, you can just listen to me for free.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a good place to start.
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  Speaker 6: Definitely.
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  Speaker 3: And then watch for you out on the road.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dancumbas.tv. I mean, I post my tour dates. I'm
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  Speaker 1: always bouncing around the country. I've been doing that for
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  Speaker 1: a fair amount of years now, hopefully a fair amount more,
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully can see you at a show.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for being on, and definitely go check
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  Speaker 2: out your show and follow you online.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week.
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  Speaker 3: Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 13: I like a tombstone cause it weathers well and if
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  Speaker 13: it stands or if it crumbles only time will tell
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  Speaker 13: and you can carve my name in marble.
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  Speaker 4: You must cut it deep there'll be no dancing on
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  Speaker 4: the gravestone.
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  Speaker 3: You must let me.
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  Speaker 4: Sleep and time is burning burning burning till it.
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  Speaker 13: Burns away.
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  Speaker 4: I don't need to see the gates of famous men,
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  Speaker 4: but I do try to see the kingdom every.
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  Speaker 3: Now and then.
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  Speaker 1: And if you ask.
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  Speaker 13: Me where it is, it's on.
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  Speaker 3: A humble map.
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  Speaker 13: And I know to enter in the doorway show your handicap.
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  Speaker 13: And time is burning, burning, burning till it burns away.
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  Speaker 13: I like a tombstone.
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  Speaker 1: Cause it.
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  Speaker 13: Weather's well and if it stands or if it crumbles
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  Speaker 13: on me time will tell and you can carve my
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  Speaker 13: name in marble you must cut it deep there'll be
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  Speaker 13: no dancing on the gravestone you must let me sleep
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  Speaker 13: and time is burning burning burning so it burns away.
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  Speaker 3: Burning, burning, burning.
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  Speaker 6: It burns away.
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  Speaker 9: I'm your huckleberry.
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  Speaker 5: Why, Johnny Ringo, you.
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  Speaker 12: Look like somebody just walked over your grave.
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  Speaker 5: Talk hard!