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The Rita Panahi Show | 17 July · The Rita Panahi Show

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  Speaker 1: On scoring leaves Australia. This is the Wider Pane Show.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the Rita Panahee Show. I'm Caroline Trusso.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up on the show tonight. Why social media giants
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  Speaker 2: have an issue with Australian privacy laws. Some of Australia's
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  Speaker 2: biggest companies are seeking government bailouts because they can't cope
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  Speaker 2: with the weight of climate regulation. An Army Horowitz joins
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  Speaker 2: me from the US with all the latest on the
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  Speaker 2: Epstein files, the Trump and must spat and is Federal
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  Speaker 2: Reserve Chair Jerome Powe soon.
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  Speaker 3: To leave the building?
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  Speaker 2: Plus the latest in the Royal family peace talks, and
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  Speaker 2: of course lefties losing it. Here is the sneak peak
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  Speaker 2: of well, whatever this is meant to be, now, let's
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  Speaker 2: start with the economy and former Treasury Secretary of Ken
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  Speaker 2: Henry said the federal government has a spending problem.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think we all knew that, and that.
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  Speaker 2: Loss productivity has cost the average Australian worker five hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand over the last twenty five years. Now, everything the
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi government has done thus far has crippled productivity and
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  Speaker 2: apparently a round table is going to fix it. Joining
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  Speaker 2: me now for more on this is a former Victorian
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party president, Michael Kroger. Michael, we have a problem
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  Speaker 2: with productivity. Everyone knows we have a problem with productivity.
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  Speaker 2: But how do we fix this issue in Australia when
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  Speaker 2: the government is ideologically opposed to it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Look, the easiest way to fix productivity is steering the
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  Speaker 4: government in the face. And it's the amount of time
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  Speaker 4: federal and state government's take to approve projects, licenses, applications,
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  Speaker 4: permits submitted by the private sector. Remember Adani, the mine there.
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  Speaker 1: Took over eight years for approval.
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  Speaker 4: I mean to get approval for housing developments can take
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  Speaker 4: anything up to two two and a half years with appeals.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if you cut the amount of time that
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  Speaker 4: it took for government to approve licenses, permits, you would
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  Speaker 4: dramatically increase productivity in this country and it would cost nothing.
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  Speaker 1: And you know so the Liberal Party, I've got no doubt,
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  Speaker 1: would approve.
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  Speaker 4: The Greens wouldn't, but the Liberal Party in the Senate
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  Speaker 4: would approve all sorts of changes to quantify the titments
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  Speaker 4: by which government departments have to approve applications federal in
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  Speaker 4: the State and of course, if you want to then
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  Speaker 4: have appeals, you could set up something like the Takeover's Panel,
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  Speaker 4: which deals with corporation since uge, where they give you
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  Speaker 4: an answer within two weeks. The Corporations Panel acts extremely quickly,
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  Speaker 4: so if you didn't like an application, you know an approval.
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  Speaker 4: Instead of going to the courts, you go to an
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  Speaker 4: independent body set up to be the appeals body for
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  Speaker 4: permit applications granted or denied by governments.
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  Speaker 1: And if you dramatically cut the.
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  Speaker 4: Time for the approval of these applications, you would massively
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  Speaker 4: increase productivity in this country. So whilst he's convening a
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  Speaker 4: productivity around table with business, he should be convening a
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  Speaker 4: productivity around table with government departments and looking at all
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  Speaker 4: sorts of environmental and approvals legislation where public servants don't
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  Speaker 4: have time limits the approval of applications. I mean you
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  Speaker 4: lodge an application for a house development, housing development Victoria,
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  Speaker 4: or an amendment to your planning permit.
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  Speaker 1: It can take.
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  Speaker 4: Six months, seven months, there's no time limit the objectives.
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  Speaker 4: Then appeal it goes to VCAT that take another year,
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  Speaker 4: year and a half. I mean sooner or later. Governments
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  Speaker 4: have got to recognize they are the problem. It's not
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  Speaker 4: the private sector that's the problem. And so he can
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  Speaker 4: have all around table discurtancy like and it's better than nothing.
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  Speaker 4: But the real problem is the log of his own
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  Speaker 4: eye and it has been in this country for a generation.
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  Speaker 2: And I think there's another piece to that as well, Michael.
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  Speaker 2: We've obviously seen the industrial relations changes that went through
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  Speaker 2: under the last term.
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  Speaker 3: Which had just continue to hinder productivity.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's really hoton that the government let us
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  Speaker 2: know what additional IR changes they'll have for this term
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  Speaker 2: and what impact that will have on productivity.
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  Speaker 3: Would you agree, well.
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  Speaker 1: I do agree.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Tony Burke slipped through all these amendments with
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  Speaker 4: the support of the Greens in the first term of
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  Speaker 4: the Albanizy government, bit by bit by bit, making harder
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  Speaker 4: for business, mainly larger corporations, especially in the mining industry.
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  Speaker 4: We're seeing moves towards pattern bargaining, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: This is all slow productivity and he's done it at
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  Speaker 4: the behest of the trading movement.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, he's paying his masters.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course he should set out what industrial relations
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  Speaker 4: changes he's proposing, if any during the second term of
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  Speaker 4: the Albany is the government and put them on the
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  Speaker 4: table during the productivity roundtable, because I'm sure he'd get
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  Speaker 4: a very strong answer there from the private sector.
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  Speaker 1: But the government basically is any business.
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  Speaker 5: I think that he will pro business.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, correct.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Another policy setting proposed by Ken Henry is the introduction
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  Speaker 2: of a climate trigger for all major projects so that
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  Speaker 2: they can account for essentially their impact on global warming.
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  Speaker 2: Now does this cut across what he says on productivity
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  Speaker 2: and will this trigger achieve whatever it is it's intended
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  Speaker 2: to achieve.
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  Speaker 4: Well, of course it cuts across it. I mean what
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  Speaker 4: Ken Henry's proposing is more regulation. I mean that's not
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  Speaker 4: what we need in this country. So when he talks
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  Speaker 4: about productivity improvements and how every work has lost five
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  Speaker 4: hundred thousand over the last decade or so, he's proposing
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  Speaker 4: to make.
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  Speaker 1: It harder for business. Why doesn't Australia instead of being.
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  Speaker 4: A world leader on net zero and these other things
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  Speaker 4: where we talk about being worlds, why don't we take
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  Speaker 4: the world leaders on deregulation and making it easy for
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  Speaker 4: people to do business. I mean, capital is very mobile
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  Speaker 4: around the world. If Australian got a reputation has been
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  Speaker 4: the easiest country in the world for business to do business.
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  Speaker 1: We would see a boom in productivity.
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  Speaker 4: So Ken Henry maybe right on his first point about
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  Speaker 4: loss productivity, but increasing regulation to put in another massive
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  Speaker 4: overlaid which would take months and months and years for
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  Speaker 4: government departments to determine whether or not there was an
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  Speaker 4: effect on the climate of any particular project. That's exactly
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  Speaker 4: the wrong way to go, and you know that's not
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  Speaker 4: what the government should be doing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, moving on to a separate topic and some very
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  Speaker 2: interesting comments made by Jason Clair regarding the timeline for
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  Speaker 2: the implementation if any of the recommendations from anti Semitism envoid.
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  Speaker 2: Jillian Siegel and apparently the government will wait until the
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  Speaker 2: Islamophobia Envoy reports back, which could apparently take months. Now
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  Speaker 2: is this really appropriate given the recent spate of anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitic attacks.
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  Speaker 4: Well, of course it's not. I mean, Jason Clair knows that.
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  Speaker 4: But look, you have a hard left government here run
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  Speaker 4: by Wong and Albanizi. They're unsympathetic to Israel. What coming
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  Speaker 4: up to two years since October seven? Jillian Siegel puts
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  Speaker 4: forward a very thoughtful discussion paper with many exceptionally good recommendations.
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  Speaker 4: The government should have accepted her recommendation within a week,
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  Speaker 4: dealt with them and started to implement her recommendations. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be any hurry at all in relation
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  Speaker 4: to this government's move in relation to his you know, antisemitism,
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  Speaker 4: is Lamophobia doesn't seem to be massively on the increase
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  Speaker 4: in this country. There are reports, but I haven't seen
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  Speaker 4: mosques being burnt down. I haven't seen Muslim leaders and
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  Speaker 4: clerics being abused in the streets. I haven't seen tax
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  Speaker 4: on cars and houses. I haven't seen hateful things said
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  Speaker 4: about you know, Muslim people at Jewish rallies, et cetera,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera. Of course they should have already moved by now.
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  Speaker 4: And to say we're waiting on the report from the
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  Speaker 4: Islambiphobia commissioner, boy, that's a terrible cop out and extremely disappointing.
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  Speaker 4: But it adds to it adds to the weakness of
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  Speaker 4: the Albanese government in dealing with Anti seven, which started
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  Speaker 4: the day after the October seven massacre, where Penny one
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  Speaker 4: call for restraint, all on Israel to be restrained. Well,
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  Speaker 4: how different the Middle East would be today if the
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  Speaker 4: Western world had shown restraint in relation to Hamas Hezbola,
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  Speaker 4: the Houtis and Iran and southern parts of Syria. So
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  Speaker 4: again a very disappointing response from the government, but not
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  Speaker 4: a typical of.
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  Speaker 3: Them, No, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: And speaking of disappointing responses, onto Albanese's trip to China,
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  Speaker 2: and apparently the Prime Minister has sought to allay fears
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  Speaker 2: over the proposed East Coast gas reservation policy with the Chinese. Firstly,
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  Speaker 2: you think you'd be having that discussion with the Japanese
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  Speaker 2: as a priority and other major importers. But shouldn't ALBERNIZI
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  Speaker 2: have high priority matters to discuss with Jijingping?
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  Speaker 4: Well, he should, I mean, why doesn't he discuss with
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  Speaker 4: Jijingping net zero, China's attitude to net zero? Why didn't
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  Speaker 4: you discuss with him? Or didn't he discuss with him?
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  Speaker 4: The fact that they're building dozens and dozens of of
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  Speaker 4: power plants that alban Easy opposes.
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  Speaker 1: Why didn't he ask.
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  Speaker 4: The Chinese what their intentions were about Taiwan? That would
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  Speaker 4: have been very helpful the Western world for him to
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  Speaker 4: ask that question. Why didn't he discuss with them Chinese
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  Speaker 4: relations with Chinese relations with the Russians who are arming
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  Speaker 4: you know, they're arming the Russians in the fight against Ukraine.
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  Speaker 4: We're on the other side of this war. Why didn't
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  Speaker 4: he discuss it with him?
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  Speaker 1: And finally, why didn't he discuss with him in relation
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  Speaker 1: to trade issues?
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  Speaker 4: The fact that China is the biggest producer of fakes
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  Speaker 4: in the world, fake handbags, fake goods, fake leather, fake watches, everything,
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  Speaker 4: what we're talking about trade. Why doesn't he pull the
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  Speaker 4: Chinese up on these things? But this, this this visit
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  Speaker 4: by alban and Easy to China. It was like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: don't mention the war. We can't upset any anybody, We
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  Speaker 4: can't say anything. We've just got to be a timid,
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  Speaker 4: you know, weak lickspittle over here in Australia who can't
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  Speaker 4: afford to offend the Chinese under any circumstances. And what
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  Speaker 4: a disappointing trip in Australia has just been humiliated by
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  Speaker 4: this visit.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, and still hasn't managed to see the US
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  Speaker 2: president yet, which actually you would think would have been
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  Speaker 2: the priority, we would have been the priority. Now onto
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  Speaker 2: a story, and I have to say this one here
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  Speaker 2: raised my eyebrows and Mark Zuckerberg's Meta has told Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanize in his government that overly broad changes to privacy
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  Speaker 2: laws could curtail its ability to develop AI. So what's
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  Speaker 2: the issue here for Meta? But more importantly, what's the
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  Speaker 2: issue here for everyday Australians.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't accept what Meta is saying. You know,
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  Speaker 4: these tech companies have got far too much power. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I support the band that's being introduced here. I think
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  Speaker 4: these companies have been extremely derelict in there in the
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  Speaker 4: international responsibilities. You know, we don't need lectures moral lectures
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  Speaker 4: from Meta and others about these things. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 4: by and large these companies have been left wing. They
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  Speaker 4: they've allowed shocking things to be published on their sites
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  Speaker 4: with our proper over site. They're largely incorporated in tax
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  Speaker 4: havens to avoid to avoid US tax et cetera, et cetera,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera. So do I think the privacy regulation here
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  Speaker 4: has got anything to do with AI? Perhaps perhaps smarter
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  Speaker 4: people and me can work out the link, but I can't.
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  Speaker 4: I can't personally work out the links. So no, I
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  Speaker 4: don't agree. I don't believe what he's saying on this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I always think that.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I understand that they might want to develop software
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  Speaker 2: and the like, and they might want to make AI better,
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  Speaker 2: but I think as a priority, our government should be
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  Speaker 2: protecting our private information as much as they can.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Kroger, thank you so much for joining us. Thank
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  Speaker 3: you joining me now is geologist Ian Plymer Ian.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get straight in and our friends that The Guardian
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  Speaker 2: have reported that the UK's clean electricity is growing too
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  Speaker 2: slowly to meet climate targets. Why are governments and government
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  Speaker 2: agencies still surprised by this?
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  Speaker 6: Well, the climate targets are unrealistic to start with. Secondly, wind,
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  Speaker 6: certainly offshore wind in the UK just hasn't worked. It's
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  Speaker 6: far too expensive. And the third thing is they've shut
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  Speaker 6: down their nuclear power stations to the point where there's
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  Speaker 6: very little nuclear power in the UK, and they bring
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  Speaker 6: nuclear power across from France. So it's disaster after disaster.
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  Speaker 6: And the poor Old Guardian, which used to be one
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  Speaker 6: of the greatest newspapers in the world, has now become
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  Speaker 6: a propaganda sheet of the left. And the poor Old
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  Speaker 6: Guardian doesn't understand that there are some realities that you
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  Speaker 6: have to understand. One of them is that you can't
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  Speaker 6: keep an industrial economy going on low density power, and
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  Speaker 6: that's what they're doing. The second thing is that the
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  Speaker 6: targets are unrealistic. And the third thing is that Britain
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  Speaker 6: once that cheap, reliable it was nuclear and coal. No
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  Speaker 6: longer they have a little bit of gas. There's a
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  Speaker 6: huge amount of gas still out in the North Sea.
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  Speaker 6: This could be obtained by fracking, but apparently this is
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  Speaker 6: so sinful that they're prepared to go broke and starve
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  Speaker 6: and freeze in the dark.
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  Speaker 2: And the UK was a great manufacturing economy and you.
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  Speaker 3: Refer to that cheap power.
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  Speaker 2: So then going forward for the UK, is it a
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  Speaker 2: return to gas, is it a return to nuclear? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we know that governments get caught in ideology here, but
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  Speaker 2: at some point they're going to have to make some
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  Speaker 2: practical decisions.
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  Speaker 6: Well, yes they are, but the ideological decisions. Victoria was
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  Speaker 6: one for manufacturing heartland of Australia. It's bankrupt and their
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  Speaker 6: energy is extraordinary expensive. Yet they once had the cheapest
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  Speaker 6: electricity in Australia and very close to the cheapest in
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  Speaker 6: the world. Germany went the same way. Germany produced motor vehicles,
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  Speaker 6: many of these are now made outside Germany. They had
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  Speaker 6: a great manufacturing industry and they have sent themselves into
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  Speaker 6: a very difficult economic position because of the cost of energy.
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  Speaker 6: The UK has done exactly the same. There used to
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  Speaker 6: be a great manufacturing country. They had a lot of
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  Speaker 6: cheap energy from coal up in the north, from nuclear
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  Speaker 6: in the south. They have some gas, They've got huge
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  Speaker 6: gas reserves. They still have huge coal reserves. But they
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  Speaker 6: have decided ideologically that the UK is going to save
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  Speaker 6: the world by banks Chipman and the poor old pension
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  Speaker 6: is in the UK are suffering. Now. You shouldn't in
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  Speaker 6: a G twenty country like the UK, as a pensioner
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  Speaker 6: have to make a decision do you have a hot meal,
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  Speaker 6: do you have a hot shower or do you have
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  Speaker 6: a heater on? But you can't have all three And
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  Speaker 6: that's where the UK's got itself into simply by ideology.
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  Speaker 6: This has got nothing to do with the appalling labor
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  Speaker 6: government they've got. It's also due to more than a
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  Speaker 6: decade of a pretty weak Conservative government with various prime
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  Speaker 6: ministers being changed like underwear.
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  Speaker 2: And interestingly, when this labor government came in in the UK,
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  Speaker 2: they chastise the conservatives for going too slow on nuclear,
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  Speaker 2: which is the polar opposite obviously of what's happened here
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  Speaker 2: in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: At least there seems to be a bit.
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  Speaker 2: More of a practical approach in the US, and Trump's
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  Speaker 2: energies are Chris right. Well, he's argued that climate change
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  Speaker 2: isn't necessarily an existential crisis and that most green policies
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  Speaker 2: they actually.
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  Speaker 3: Bring around exclusion and scarcity. What's your thoughts on his view.
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  Speaker 6: Well, energy keeps the Western world going.
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  Speaker 7: If we don't have cheap energy, we do not survive,
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  Speaker 7: and we can go back into the Stone Age. Even
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  Speaker 7: if we get rid of fossil fuels, we still need
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  Speaker 7: about six thousand daily products made from fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 6: We need a lot of medicines and medical equipment made
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  Speaker 6: from fossil fuels. So the reality is that we live
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  Speaker 6: in an energy dense society where we need a lot
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  Speaker 6: of energy, where we need fossil fuels. Now, there is
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  Speaker 6: no crisis existential crisis. It is a crisis of thought,
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  Speaker 6: and it's a crisis of propaganda. We now have people
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  Speaker 6: who are absolutely convinced that one cow farting in a
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  Speaker 6: paddic over there, or for us to drive a car
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  Speaker 6: is going to send this country into a big spin climb. Wise, now,
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  Speaker 6: there are a few fundamentals. No one has ever shown
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  Speaker 6: that too many missions of carbon dioxide drive global warming.
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  Speaker 6: It's never been shown. So until you can show this,
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  Speaker 6: then we will never have an existential crisis. So I
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  Speaker 6: think what's happening in the US is actually pragmatic. The
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  Speaker 6: US is blessed with a lot of oil, a lot
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  Speaker 6: of gas. It's got no uranium, although it's just across
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  Speaker 6: the border in Canada where there's huge uranium deposits there.
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  Speaker 6: They get a lot of energy coming in pipelines from Canada.
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  Speaker 6: They are exceptionally well blessed with energy. This is making
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  Speaker 6: America great, and it did make America great in the past.
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  Speaker 6: So it's not an existential problem. It's a problem of competition.
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  Speaker 6: If you want to compete in today's world, you need
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  Speaker 6: cheap energy. This is why China is able to compete.
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  Speaker 6: This is why China is able to produce goods very cheaply,
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  Speaker 6: which they flood the world with because they have cheap energy.
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  Speaker 6: And President Trump is going that direction, saying we want
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  Speaker 6: to be a great manufacturing country again to do this.
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  Speaker 6: We need cheap energy now.
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  Speaker 3: Just off the back of that.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, the US is the biggest economy in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that other Western governments will slowly take
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  Speaker 2: up some of these more sensible approaches, if for no
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  Speaker 2: other reason than necessity.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think they'll have to, but some are going
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  Speaker 6: to be pretty slow. I've mentioned Victoria earlier. They'll still
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  Speaker 6: be in the Stone Age when the rest of the
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  Speaker 6: world has changed, and Australia is an island. We cannot
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  Speaker 6: import energy from our neighbors. Now Germany does that when
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  Speaker 6: the wind doesn't blow. They bring in hydro from Norway,
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  Speaker 6: they bring in coal from Poland, they bring in nuclear
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  Speaker 6: power from France and Slovakia. And the US does the same.
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  Speaker 6: It brings in hydro from Quebec, it brings in nuclear
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  Speaker 6: from Ontario. So they have neighbors and they can get
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  Speaker 6: energy from their neighbors. But in this country we have
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  Speaker 6: to be independent, and we are so well blessed. We
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  Speaker 6: have huge amounts of uranium, we have thousands of years
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: of coal, thousands of years of gas. Yet we seem
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: to want to rely on sea breezes and sunbeams, and
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: the sun doesn't shine all the time, and the wind
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: doesn't blow all the time, and I don't know how
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: we're going to run an industrial economy on sea breezes
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: and sunbeams. Well, we can have solar and wind operate
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: in some areas. I spend as a geologist a lot
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: of my life, and the outback many stations use wind
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: to charge our batteries, to keep systems going, many isolated
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: phone boxes or railway signals. He is solar, and that's
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: because the wind and sol that have a very low
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: energy density. But if you want a lot of grunt
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: from your energy, you need nuclear, you need coll you
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: need gas, or you need hydro, which of course is
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: not effective in this country because we don't have great
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: alpine ranges and we don't have high rainfall. So there's
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: a pragmatism there, and it's based on simple physics. It's
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: based on what resources we have, and it's based on
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: whether we have politicians who are very smart and who
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: are not getting the Chinese burned from various unionists that
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: want their super funds to make a fortune out of
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: wind and solar. So we're destroying our economy. It's happening
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: in front of our eyes. And when we're going to
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: wake up. Well, I hope I'm still alive to see it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And just very quickly, when you're talking about the grant
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: back home in Australia and the coalitions calling for a
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: change to Labour's policy settings is we've got these major
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: players who are now seeking government bailouts because of climate regulation.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: If we've got this major sovereign.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Capacity that can't remain viable, then surely the policy settings
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: have to change.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I've only got about thirty seconds left.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: That's because of expensive energy. How smelters in this country
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: rely on cheap energy. It is now no longer cheap.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: And the Chinese are putting us out of business by
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: having the smelter treatment charges as a negative charge. In
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: other words, they pay you to smelt the material rather
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: than you paying them. So we are losing competitively and
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: it'll be business by business, industry by industry, and we're
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: going to see it with our smelting industry now in
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: this country.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ian, plym up for your time.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And still to come. Why the big guns on Wall
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Street aren't convinced by Democratic mayoral nominee Zora Mandami And
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you don't want to miss lefties losing it. Now it's
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: time for lefties losing it. And let's start with the
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: latest iteration of the free Palestine slash anti ice movement,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: where a section of that venn diagram now includes free
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: the nipple.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Luck with that boob showing Gaza love.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: And there's been plenty of reporting regarding the mayoral candidates
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: in the US, and it isn't just New York, here
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: is many a Minneapolis mayoral candidate Omata.
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: Heard them being called terrorists, we heard them being called
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: drug dealers, we heard a lot of insults. We heard
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: that there that they're a threat to our national security.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: And there's more.
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: According to DHS Matter President, the domestic the greatest domestic
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: threat facing the United States comes from quote racially or
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: ethnically motivated violent extremists, specifically specifically those who advocate for
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: the superiority superiority of the white race, not our immigrants.
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: We are safer and we're better off because of them.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And speaking of the New York mayoral candidate, he is ioa.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: He's breaking his credentials.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: Have people see him face to face and take the
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: tires you know themselves, and hear what he has to
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: say about making New York affordable for working people and
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: really championing is shoes like a rent freeze, and championing
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: of the shoes like affordable childcare, groceries, et cetera. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: I think a lot of people just need to get
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: to know folks before they issue an endorsement. And I
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: hope that this conversation could be constructive to bring the
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: party together and rally behind our nominee.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Now, if that doesn't put the fear of God in you,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure what will. Oh No, wait, this
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: from across the pond, another rampant ideologue who has no
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: idea how the world works.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: Farming needs to stop.
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: That's the single biggest driver of climate change.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: But this last one is my favorite. MPR CEO Catherine
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: mar on media bias.
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: As far as the accusations that were biased, I would
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: stand up and say, please show me a story that
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: concerns you, because we.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Want to know and we want to bring that conversation
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: back to our newsroom.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Really, let's have a look at some of their past headlines.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: There is no neutral Nice white people can still be
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: complicit in a racist society. After Biden's debate performance, the
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: presidential race is unchanged. Arguments that trans athletes have an
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: unfair advantage lack evidence to support.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: But my personal personal favorite.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: A brief history on how racism shaped interstate highways. Yep,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: definitely not biased and all funded by the US taxpayers.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Joining me now is filmmaker and commentator Armie Horovitz. Before
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: we get started, I just wanted to get your take
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: on those comments made by MPR CEO Catherine Maher at
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the end of our last segment. Is she disingenuous, not
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: paying attention or unaware of what bias is?
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, and yes, yeah all above.
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: Look, I mean Katherine, she imploded during congressional testimony. Right,
• 24:56
  Speaker 11: They rolled out all of her past comments, including the
• 24:59
  Speaker 11: ones you mentioned before, but also things like Trump is
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: a deranged racist. Right, she said, using the term boys
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: and girls is inappropriate. She she said, call for reparations
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: and said that that this country's built a white supremacy
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: on the black of.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Blacks.
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: No, she is a hard leftist and NPR has had
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: this problem for years. Look, they had a huge controversy
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: last year, right, and they could have brought in somebody
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: forget about conservative you can never ask for that. But
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: somebody moderate, somebody unbiased. I mean, after all, it's funded
• 25:38
  Speaker 11: by the US taxpayer. They brought in Catherine Marr right
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: look at their headquarters. They said there was eighty seven
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: editors who affiliated as part of the Democratic Party and
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: not a single person affiliated the Republican Party.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: That's a problem.
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: It's why people look at them and say, how are
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: we funding this? Why is the American taxpayer, republicly and
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: Democrats funding an organization that so buys against conservatives.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: They recently just enacted a new rule.
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: Well, actually they are moved a rule saying that journalists
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: their journalists are allowed to participate in political demonstrations.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: I mean it's insanity. Yeah, No, NPR's.
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: Days of federal funding. I think our number now that
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: Trump is in power, and it's a shame because they
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: could have avoided this, and they refused to and this
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: is what they're going to.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Have, and it just seems the evidence is so it's unavoidable.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: It's I don't even know how she can say the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: things she said. Speaking of things that won't go away
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: in the Epstein file saga, that's another one that just
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: won't go anyway.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Even Joe Rogan is waiting.
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: They've got videotape, and then all of a sudden they don't.
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: You know, you have the director of the FBI on
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: the show saying there's no tap. If there was nothing
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: you're looking for is on those tapes? Like what why
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: did they say there was thousands of hours of tapes
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: of people doing horrible Why did they say that? Right,
• 27:06
  Speaker 12: didn't Pam BONDI say.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: That Joe Rogan isn't the bail granted? But once an
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: issue like this is started to talk about in the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: cultural sphere, I'm not quite sure how you get the
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: j and back in the bottle? What does the government
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: do from here?
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Amy?
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Look, it's it's a problem, you know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: Look they say conspiracy theories is that old joke how
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: a gentleman dies and he goes to heaven.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: He asked God who shot JFK?
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: And he goes and guy goes Lee Harvey Osweld and
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: the guy goes, oh my god, the conspiracy has God
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: this high. Yeah, that's the problem conspiracy theorists. There is
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: no convincing them of reality. Right, It's just the problem.
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: It's an inherent problem with conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists.
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: I think, I look at deep let me get I'll
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: get back to to Epstein and kind of what Joe Rogan,
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: you should that clip you showed specifically. But look, there's
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: a problem going on with these people in general. And
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: you know, it's it's it's it's it's Joe Rogan, it's
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: Dave Smith, the Jewish comedian, it's uh, it's Tucker Carlson.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: There there's a number of people.
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: Using Epstein as a way to attack Jews and Israel.
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: They keep going over this completely debunked, zero evidence whatsoever,
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: conspiracy theory that he was a Mossad agent.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: They continue to to.
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: Talk about that because they are looking for a handle
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: to attack Jews. That's how sick and problematic this whole
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: thing has become. But specifically talking about the the the
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: the the the release in the thousands of hours of childborn. Look,
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: the truth is this was very much mishandled by Pam
• 28:51
  Speaker 11: Bondi and the d O j Okay, let's start with that.
• 28:54
  Speaker 11: I'm not sure it would have avoid this whole problem,
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: because again, conspiracy theorists cannot be convinced that their at
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: the air of their way, they're wrong. But she really
• 29:02
  Speaker 11: really mishandled this beginning with if you remember earlier in
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: the year, she brought all these kind of like young,
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: you know, influencers who were kind naive to the White
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: House and gave them the binders, right like, look, we've
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: got the binders.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: We're gonna release all the information.
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: And they raised it above their head and she humiliated
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: them because there was nothing in those binders. She just
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: gave two hundred pages of contact info and list of
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: people that we had for years, public information for years.
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: So yeah, a lot of people were saying, well, you
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: said this was everything, but this is clearly this is
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: stuff has been in the public view for a long time.
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: It fueled, unfortunately, the conspiracy theories, and now it's being
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: weaponized actually also against Trump. You know, these are Trump
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: supporters who are doing this so weird. They're saying that
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: he's trying to cover up his role in this, that
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: he's probably mentioned that's why.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: He's not releasing it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: Look, you know how I know that's not true because
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: the Biden administration and the Democrats have had this information
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: during the Biden administration and didn't release it. If there
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: was any way of them to hang Trump for something,
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: lest they would have released it, they didn't because he's
• 30:10
  Speaker 11: not in it. Yet they're still using that to attack Trump. Look,
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: we don't know exactly what these thousands of hours, but
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: what we're told is in it is just child pornography. Right,
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: there's no list of people in office or powerful people.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: We know that doesn't exist.
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: Dershwitz says that it doesn't exist, and he was Eptein's lawyer. Yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: the whole thing is just incredible, and it's showing these
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: riffs we see even on the right, and it's just interesting.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Unless something like this is dealt with properly or tied
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: it up properly, it just feels like this pace of
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: string is going to go on forever.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: So I'm not quite sure how they fix that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: But another niggel for President Trump, and it's his romance
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: break up with Alon Musk. Apparently Alon has changed his
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: phone number. Here is Mike Johnson speaking with Miranda Devine.
• 30:58
  Speaker 13: I'm trying to be a peacemaker and all, and I've
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: reached out to Elon multiple times since the blow up. Yes,
• 31:04
  Speaker 13: and I wanted he and the President to mend it up,
• 31:08
  Speaker 13: and frankly, I think the President was of that mind
• 31:11
  Speaker 13: as well. I sent him a long text message and
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: then his phone his number changed because after the blow up,
• 31:16
  Speaker 13: he something happened with his day. So I got the
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: number later and realized I was sending it out into
• 31:20
  Speaker 13: the ether or somewhere. He never read it. So I
• 31:22
  Speaker 13: look forward to meeting with him in person. We got
• 31:24
  Speaker 13: to make that right. I got nothing against Elon.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Is this just a distraction from core business for the
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: government or is there anything here that actually needs explaining?
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: Now there is something to this, I think what it
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: does do aside from the rift, look Elon Muslay and
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: he's going to create a third party of the American Party,
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: which would obviously hurt the Republican Party going forward. If
• 31:50
  Speaker 11: we're going to have this rift inside the party. Put
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: that aside. It does point to the larger issue when
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: it comes to tech bros. And what they want and
• 31:59
  Speaker 11: whether or not their alliance and support of Trump was
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: temporary or long lasting.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Look the driving fact there's a number of.
• 32:07
  Speaker 11: Factions in the Republican Party, and one of them are
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: are the tech giants, and they want something different than
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: a lot of people Republican Party because they're looking for
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: different perspectives. Some of his personal some of his economics,
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: some of it is based on defense.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: They're looking for subsidization.
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: Of of industries and they're looking for deregulation.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: Those are their two main issues.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 32:32
  Speaker 11: And look and some of it, I can see where
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: they're coming from. For example, they they they think the
• 32:37
  Speaker 11: only way to fight to fight China on AI is
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: up subsidizing the R and D with it. Right, whether
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: or not you agree with that, like, I get that perspective. Uh,
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: they want deregulation. They think that's going to spur our economy.
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: And specifically with with with Elon Musk, I think there
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: is something to the fact that this split happened because
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: of his interest in what we just talked about, specifically
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: with Tesla. That he was upset with the president when
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: he didn't renew the EV mandates and he didn't didn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: renew the subsidies to buy EV's.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: I think that's obviously a significant part of his business.
• 33:15
  Speaker 11: I think he was upset with the president for that
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: and also the fact that he's afraid of a lawsuits
• 33:22
  Speaker 11: because when it comes to Tesla monopoly issue that Tesla may.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: Have in this business.
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: So yeah, no, I think there's there is a reality
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: to it, and I think it's going to affect Republican Party.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Still on the economy, and we've seen a inflation uptick,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and the rumors about Federal Reserve chaired your own power,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: that he might not have his job for much longer.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Trump has since denied this. What's actually going on?
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah, this is this could be an own goal by
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: the president. I think it's a huge mistake to fire
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: Drome Powell. First of all, I'm not sure he has.
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: In fact, I don't know he has. He doesn't have
• 33:59
  Speaker 11: the legal authority to do it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: But look, he's a president.
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: He wants easy money, right most presidents do, because it
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: perks up the economy. It also causes inflation. We just
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: saw an uptick inflation. We had a number of good
• 34:14
  Speaker 11: news when it came to inflation prior, but now we're
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: seeing it creep up again. And I think it's directly tied,
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: frankly to the tariffs. I think that's what's creeping up inflation.
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: And I think he's trying to counter that by the
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: president is by wanting to have a lower rates, like
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: I said, because it's going to pump up give artificial
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: stimulus the economy. But that's not what we need right
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: all presidents want that because they're looking for that economic stimulus.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: But that's not.
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: Necessarily good for the economy at times. Sometimes it is
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: right now, it's not when inflation is kind of coming
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: up again. And what you're seeing is trying to get around. Look,
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: the only way a president can remove remove the head
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: of the FED is what they call for cause. In
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: other words, he had to have done something illegal or
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: significantly problematic, not because of policy difference.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: You cannot legally remove over.
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: That because it's an independent body, right, it's not connected
• 35:05
  Speaker 11: to the government. And now you see kind of his
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: out the president's allies trying to find these weird ways
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: to say we can remove them for cause, and they're
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: pointing out to one thing specifically where he's doing a
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: renovation of the FED headquarters, and they're starting saying, well,
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: you didn't get all the improvements approved by Congress like
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: you're supposed to, so that's the reason why we're going
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: to have your removed. It's ridiculous, it's gonna make the
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: president look bad. There's no need to do it, really,
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: you don't have to do it. And he's had all
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: the success the president had, win after win after win,
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: the people opposing him are going to point to that
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: if he does that as saying, see anti democratic, he's
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: going against the laws.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: And the president of the need that won't help him.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: I think it's some mistake.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: And sometimes the best thing to do is nothing.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Once to the New York mayoral.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Wi Rice and the big wigs on Wall Street aren't
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: necessarily enamored with the Democratic nominees or on Mandami.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: How's that going to play out?
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: Look?
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: You know it's uh, I guess we're gonna be talking
• 36:09
  Speaker 11: about Donnie for a long time, at least through the
• 36:12
  Speaker 11: year and hopefully not further, but possibly because he's leading
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: the polls.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Uh. Yeah, you know. It was this weird meeting.
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: He sat down with all the big wigs, all the billionaires,
• 36:25
  Speaker 11: all the industry leaders in New York.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: It didn't go well, I mean did he?
• 36:29
  Speaker 11: But you know he basically every time I'm Donnie is
• 36:32
  Speaker 11: asked something, right.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: That is difficult.
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: He has this ability to speak in long paragraphs that
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: don't actually say anything like they asked them pointed questions.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: And he simply just avoided it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: He's able to speak in pithy, succinct terms when he's
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: talking about his radicalism right, and his Marxism is any Semitism.
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: He does that well, but he's actually faced with tough questions,
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: he goes to the you know, Kamala Harris world word
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: slid mode because he's just trying to he's just trying
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: to play out the clock, right, but it's talking in
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: a long winded way, and I think everybody in that
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: meeting really got nothing out of it. The reality is,
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: look I said it by my hot take is I
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: don't think he's gonna win. I think ultimately he's leading
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: the polls because the poll is being split right between
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: Cuomo and the current mayor, Eric Adams. I think ultimately
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: what's gonna happen is those same billionaires that Mondie was
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: speaking to, who had supported Cuomo significantly with millions and
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: millions of dollars in the Democratic primary, are something going
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: to have a conversation with Cuomo, who is at this
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: point not backing down because he is one of the
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: he really has one of the largest egos in all
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: of politics. That says a lot, right, and they're gonna say, look,
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: if you want a history, if you want I'm sorry,
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: if you want an abillion to come back at all ever,
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: for any other race, you got to back down from this. Right,
• 37:55
  Speaker 11: We'll support you for other things, but you're clearly not
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: going to win this race. Back out, Let's let's be
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: a one on one. And I think if that's the case,
• 38:04
  Speaker 11: Dad's going to lose. I think Eric Adam's way don't love,
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: but he is obviously in the lesser of two evils,
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: I think will win. And I think that's what how
• 38:11
  Speaker 11: it's going to play out.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And I think anyone who doesn't want government run supermarkets
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: is probably on the right track, particularly.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: In the US.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Lastly, there's been a huge focus obviously throughout the West
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: since October seven on this apparent genocide in Gaza. But
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: in recent recent days we've seen all these reports emerging
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: out Assyria about the massacre of Jews Drus populations by
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the Jihadis who deposed the Assad regime. So what's happening
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: in Syria? And where are the protests in the West.
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, it's so funny there's no protests in
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: the West.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Look, it reminds me of you know, there's never there's
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: never an outcry from the left.
• 38:54
  Speaker 11: On like black and black violence intercedes right that ever,
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: Like look, We have to put a stop of this
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: because the vast majority of black deaths in America are
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: from other black people. Now it's only when the rare circumstances,
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: when there's wet on black death.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Very similar.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: Look, the.
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: Violence committed between sectarian violence, Muslim to Muslim violence is legion, right,
• 39:17
  Speaker 11: and it's in the millions of people who have died
• 39:20
  Speaker 11: in recent years, right. Just I mean you had in
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: the Syrian Civil war, get nearly three quarters of a
• 39:26
  Speaker 11: million people who were killed. Isis killed over was one
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: hundred thousand people in Iraq and Syria.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: You heard nothing from the West when it came to that.
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: But when it comes to Israel, when it comes to
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: the Jews, who kill less than in the course of battle, right,
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: have not have killed less than fifty thousand people, half
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: of them combatants, right, which, by the way, I want
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: to stress again, is an unprecedented number of urban warfare.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: We're in urban warfare.
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: The Urban Warfare Institute has said that ninety percent of
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: urban warfare deaths or civil in this case is fifty percent.
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: I think that speaks volumes how careful Israel is. No,
• 40:05
  Speaker 11: there's not a peep about it. Only you see attacks
• 40:07
  Speaker 11: on Israel. I think the whole incident is fascinating. And
• 40:11
  Speaker 11: I'll be quick, is that Syria. I don't know what
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: they're doing. I mean, Syria hasn't the new regime has
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: an ability to come to to polite society and to
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: the West, and Trump has created a piece deal with them.
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: They allowed Israel to overfly Syria to attack you Ron.
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: They had an ability to come to the table, to
• 40:31
  Speaker 11: moderate and be part of the Western and the and
• 40:34
  Speaker 11: the general world. And now they're they they're squandering that
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: by murdering these drus who are who are fellow Arabs
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: and who's coming their defense Israel. Israel is coming to
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: the defense of Arabs who are not Israelies because they
• 40:48
  Speaker 11: want to.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: Put the slaughter to it end. I think the whole
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: thing is fascinating.
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: Of course, Israel get no credit from these Western jihadis.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: No, but it's very very interesting to watch it play out,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: and very interesting to watch the hypocrisy of the silence.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Army Horovitz, thank you so much for your time and
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: still to come to Kardashian sisters are on the outer
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: with their brother Brody, and it's not just the Kardashians.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Baseball legend Shaquille O'Neill has also found himself in a
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: bit of a tip.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Joining me now is Sky and Hiss contributor Louise Roberts. Louise,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Harry's been in in Angola this week, you know, following
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: in the footsteps of Princess Diana. What's his trip all
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: about and is it any more than a beij imitation.
• 41:42
  Speaker 10: Well, Caro, the Halo Trust is something that Harry's been
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: involved with for about fifteen years now, I think, and
• 41:47
  Speaker 10: he's been patron of it since about twenty nineteen, so
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: it's not his first trip to Angola. But the difference
• 41:54
  Speaker 10: this time is that he's going to be walking the
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: exact route that his mother, Diana did in nineteen ninety seven,
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: where the images, I mean, we're so used to seeing
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: them now, but at the time they were absolutely a
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: blockbuster sort of revelation, the fact that she was in
• 42:09
  Speaker 10: such a dangerous area and it was so profound and
• 42:12
  Speaker 10: brave of Diana to do this, and of course it
• 42:15
  Speaker 10: led to an international ban on landmines. So the fact
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: that he's doing the same walk, he's very nostalgic and look,
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: it is a bit of a carbon copy of what.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: His mother did.
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: But I don't really have an issue with it because
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: I think Harry should be doing more in the space
• 42:28
  Speaker 10: of Diana's legacy. It's such a great thing to see
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: him working on charities where there is an impact globally,
• 42:34
  Speaker 10: rather than sort of complaining about his life or throwing
• 42:37
  Speaker 10: his family under a bus.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: So it'd be interesting to.
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: See what coverage comes out of it, though, because he
• 42:42
  Speaker 10: has banned I believe the UK press he wants the
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: message to come through his own channels rather than I
• 42:48
  Speaker 10: guess the filter of Fleet Street. And of course Megan's
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: not going either, citing safety concerns. But to be honest,
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: that's more about Halo being his brand and not her brand,
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: because their careers are quite separate now, as.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: You know, be very interesting to see how that all
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: gets framed afterwards. Still with the rules, and we've heard
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: much about this not so secret secret meeting between the
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: King and Harry's top aides.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: There's been a suggestion that Megan could join in.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: The royal peace talks, and is there any sign of
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Prince William weighing in?
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: Well, the rehabilitation of Megan continues, doesn't it Carow, So
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: it's no accident that her name has been mentioned in
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: regard to these talks. But I'm certain that Willim would
• 43:32
  Speaker 10: want nothing to do with that, of course, And it's
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: interesting that he wasn't even told about the talks and
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: there was no request to his team to have one
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: of his representatives there at the club just near Clarence House.
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: They would be very cautious about in being involved in
• 43:47
  Speaker 10: these talks and being certainly being papped in that situation
• 43:50
  Speaker 10: as well. And on that note, I believe Harry and
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: Meghan are quote frustrated that there were pictures of this
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: secret talk. It's also interesting that Harry seems to be
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: going straight to the monarch, his father and by passing
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: his brother as the heir completely, which will give some
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: indication of where the true tension I think lies in
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: this dynamic. But let's hope it's a positive move forward
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: and not just another sort of mist photo opportunity as
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: it were.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: And Luis, do you think though, that part of this
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: is that I think you know and that it's happening now,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: is that Harry knows that that conversation needs to happen
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: with the King, and probably sooner rather than later, because
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: once the king's passed, I think they're to be even
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: more difficult for there to be that reconciliation.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I agree. I mean it's a conversation.
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: He has to drive, he has to extend that olive branch,
• 44:41
  Speaker 10: and he has to make peace with his father because,
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: as you say, once Charles has passed on, there's.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: No opportunity for Harry to do that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: And I think William's made it pretty clear that he
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: won't be cutting him any slack in that department as well.
• 44:54
  Speaker 10: He's learned to operate within the royal framework without his
• 44:57
  Speaker 10: younger brother for all sorts of reasons. That's a very
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: sad situation for the brothers. But Harry really has to
• 45:04
  Speaker 10: patch things up with his father.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: As you say, now, it won't surprise you that there's
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: a drama in the Kardashian household this time.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Two of the.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Sisters have skipped their brother, Brody's wedding.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: What's happened here?
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: So Brody Jenna is a pro surfer and he got
• 45:20
  Speaker 10: married at the weekend. Now, Kendall and Kylie Jenner, of course,
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: are his half sisters. They share the same father, Caitlyn Jenna,
• 45:28
  Speaker 10: and they did not attend the wedding.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: There was some sort of clash with.
• 45:32
  Speaker 10: Schedule or they didn't want to make the wedding about
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: them and sort of true Kardashian fashion, But it's really
• 45:38
  Speaker 10: more about a decade's long feud between Caitlin's ex wives.
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: Of course, there's Brody's mother, Linda Thompson, and there's Kylie
• 45:47
  Speaker 10: and Kendall's mother Chris Jenna, who apparently don't see eye
• 45:51
  Speaker 10: to eye and have not done for some time. So
• 45:54
  Speaker 10: the girls decided to sort of quietly admit themselves from
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: the spectacle. It was the wedding. Caitlin of course attended
• 46:01
  Speaker 10: because it is her son getting married, But yeah, less
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: about an RSVP situation, more about trying to keep the peace.
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: I think Kylie very much sees herself in the Kardashian camp.
• 46:10
  Speaker 10: I think Kendall tries to sort of broker the piece
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: and maybe be a bit neutral. And then there's their brother,
• 46:15
  Speaker 10: of course, who's very angry about everything, intends to blame
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: Chris for a lot of the drama. Of course he's
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: going to side with his own mother. But as you say,
• 46:22
  Speaker 10: it wouldn't be a Kardashian by extension wedding unless there
• 46:26
  Speaker 10: was some kind of drama.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: It happens in every family, though, doesn't it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Now, speaking of there's been plenty of coverage and commentary
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: around the Sanchez Bezos wedding, and even Sarah Jessica Parker
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: of Sex in the City fame. She reacted to that
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Vogue front cover.
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: Lauren Sanchez Besos grasing the cover of Vogue.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Hello, lover or leave it?
• 46:50
  Speaker 14: I I mean, why shouldn't she? I was r she is, well,
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: had a row unity.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: She held it in, well, didn't she? That was a
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: very carefully measured response, wasn't it.
• 47:08
  Speaker 10: Caro.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: That's some media training we're seeing there as well.
• 47:11
  Speaker 10: And look, she's not going no matter her thoughts on
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: the wedding and the cover of Vogue, She's not going
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: to take on the wife of one of the richest
• 47:18
  Speaker 10: men in the world, is she, and sort of be
• 47:20
  Speaker 10: rude to her, which was good to say that she
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: was being quite diplomatic. And of course SJP herself knows
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: the value of a Vogue cover. It's not just about
• 47:28
  Speaker 10: the ink and the paper. It's very much a state
• 47:30
  Speaker 10: of symbol. And of course her character, Carrie Bradshaw, is
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: all about Vogue and writes for Vogue and has her
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: doomed first wedding with mister Bigg in the Vogue issue
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: as well, with Cannersbergen as her editor. Eat, it's a great,
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: a great episode for that. But yeah, very diplomatic, and
• 47:46
  Speaker 10: I don't think she'll be off their Christmas card list
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: anytime soon, which is probably good for her.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: No.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: I thought she handled that very very well.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: It's still in the US and Basketball Hall of Famous
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Sequille O'Neil. Well, he's had a bust up with former
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: NFL star Robin Griffin the Third.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: What's this all over? So this is interesting.
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: So we've got Shaquille O'Neill threatening to punch Robert Griffin
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: the third, who's an NFL play so not even the
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: same sport really over two female sort of basketball legends
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: who apparently dislike each other immensely. And there's been a
• 48:21
  Speaker 10: lot of racism accusations around there. There's been terms used
• 48:24
  Speaker 10: which will be quite offensive. I'm not going to repeat
• 48:26
  Speaker 10: them here. But and of course Robert Griffin, IID has
• 48:29
  Speaker 10: said he's speaking his truth, and look, I always get
• 48:32
  Speaker 10: very concerned when a celebrity says that, because it doesn't
• 48:34
  Speaker 10: actually mean they're operating from a factual basis, it's more
• 48:37
  Speaker 10: about their interpretation of the facts.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: So it's a bit of a mess.
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: It's got beyond a bit of a social media spack
• 48:43
  Speaker 10: between these two and protecting the two female stars, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 10: more about responsibility on social media platforms and making sure
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: that you're respectful and not getting involved in rouse or
• 48:55
  Speaker 10: stoking up rivalry between female plays when you have no
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: place to do so.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And funny when you've had all that media training Compared
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: to the last story we've just talked about, these guys
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: are not green and it's amazing the scuffle that they
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: found themselves in. And lastly, big celebrity news out of
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the UK yesterday with former Harry potterstar Emma Watson losing her.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: License for speeding.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Nice change from some of the two tier policing that
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: we can often observe.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Over in the UK. What's happened here is she.
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: Remorseful, Well, she didn't turn up in court, so it
• 49:31
  Speaker 10: was a five minute hearing and the fine was equivalent
• 49:34
  Speaker 10: of just over two thousand dollars Australian, and her lawyer
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: told the court well she could pay it, which clearly
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: she can because she's a wealthy celebrity, although she sort
• 49:42
  Speaker 10: of moved beyond the acting now and she's now a
• 49:44
  Speaker 10: thirty five year old writing student.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I believe.
• 49:47
  Speaker 10: So the system there's a bit different than in that
• 49:49
  Speaker 10: you actually accrue points and then you lose your license
• 49:52
  Speaker 10: rather than our demerit system here. So she had already
• 49:54
  Speaker 10: had nine points and sort of speeding.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: She was about twelve.
• 49:57
  Speaker 10: K's twelve k's over lem and I believe that's what
• 50:00
  Speaker 10: sort of sealed her fate a driving band for six months.
• 50:04
  Speaker 10: I mean, she can probably afford a chauffeur, so it
• 50:06
  Speaker 10: won't impact her too much. But it's interesting because there
• 50:09
  Speaker 10: a whole brand prior to this has been very much
• 50:13
  Speaker 10: a gen Z role model and a UN ambassador and
• 50:16
  Speaker 10: sort of talking about a lot of wake issues. So
• 50:18
  Speaker 10: it's a bit of a departure from the image, I think,
• 50:21
  Speaker 10: isn't it. What Thank you very much, Louise Roberts, and
• 50:24
  Speaker 10: that's it from me up next to his newsnight, Good night,