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The NAACP Boycott Debate, Black Athletes & The Cost of Sacrifice · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: You should be upset about this if you understand the
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  Speaker 1: deep level of racism and control that is happening with this. Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Personal. I'm Joy Taylor. Thanks so much for
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  Speaker 1: of us, and we also will get to our never
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  Speaker 1: Too Personal this week, which I really like and I
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  Speaker 1: think I think people will probably disagree with me, But
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  Speaker 1: what else is news?
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  Speaker 2: That's what we're here for.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to be a part of the show,
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  Speaker 1: make sure you email email us to Personal Podcasts at
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  Speaker 1: gmail dot com. So I wanted to talk about this
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  Speaker 1: NAACP boycott. I know that they're I think they're calling
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  Speaker 1: it an AACP, But for the sake of this conversation,
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  Speaker 1: NAACP quicker saying sorry, guys, love you. They launched out
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  Speaker 1: of Bounds, which is a campaign that is urging black athletes, alumni, fans,
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  Speaker 1: and consumers to withhold support from public universities in states
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  Speaker 1: limiting black voting representation.
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  Speaker 2: Now, we talked about a.
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  Speaker 1: Few weeks ago the Supreme Court's ruling that deeply affected
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  Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act, and so this is In response
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  Speaker 1: to that, the campaign is talking about the gerrymandering following
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  Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: ruling that weakened the Voting Rights Act. So transfer portals
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  Speaker 1: for D one football and basketball are closed until twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven, so there will be no response from athletes
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  Speaker 1: who are already at these institution. The real influence for
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  Speaker 1: this particular campaign would be high school students choosing where
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  Speaker 1: they're going to go in the fall and beyond of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven and beyond. The Congressional Black Caucus also
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  Speaker 1: sent letters to the SEC, the ACC, and the NCAA
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  Speaker 1: threatening to block the Score Act. That's a bill that
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  Speaker 1: would create national ANDIL rules. If you know anything about NIL,
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  Speaker 1: it's a very very complicated space, and we don't normally
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  Speaker 1: talk sports on too personal, but this is a topic
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  Speaker 1: that crosses over from sports to culture, politics.
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  Speaker 2: And social issues.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought it was something interesting to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: especially because I obviously have professional athletes in my family.
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  Speaker 1: My older brother, for those of you who don't know,
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  Speaker 1: played professional football in the NFL for fifteen years and
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  Speaker 1: is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. My nephew, Mason,
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  Speaker 1: is in the NFL currently in place for the Jets.
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  Speaker 2: I have two other.
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  Speaker 1: A niece and a nephew, who are also NIL D
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  Speaker 1: one athletes, so I'm very familiar with this.
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  Speaker 2: I was a.
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  Speaker 1: NCAA athlete as well. I ran track in college. I'm
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  Speaker 1: very familiar with this space. I wouldn't I'm not an expert,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer, but I am familiar with how
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  Speaker 1: all of this works. I do think that the boycott
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  Speaker 1: is interesting, and I don't necessarily agree with every aspect
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  Speaker 1: of it, asking young people to forfeit opportunities that could
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  Speaker 1: change the trajectory of their entire family's future. When we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about finances, when we talk about what the median
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  Speaker 1: black household in the United States makes compared to median
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  Speaker 1: white household, there's I don't know twenty times difference in income,
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  Speaker 1: the opportunities to generate generational wealth, all of these things
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  Speaker 1: can be influenced on a college level. Now, because of
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  Speaker 1: the NIL there's no guarantee that you're going to make
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  Speaker 1: it to the professional level, and for some of these players,
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  Speaker 1: some of these young people, the money that you will
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  Speaker 1: make in college will be the big check.
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  Speaker 2: That you get.
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  Speaker 1: You may not make it to the NFL. You may
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  Speaker 1: not make it to the NBA, but you could be
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  Speaker 1: a big time college player at a PWI and make
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  Speaker 1: millions of dollars. And this boycott is asking that these
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  Speaker 1: players who may have these opportunities at these schools that
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  Speaker 1: have that kind of nil money in states like Florida,
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  Speaker 1: like Louisiana, Georgia, Mississippi, Texas, South Carolina, Alabama, you could
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  Speaker 1: be asking them to turn them down to go to
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  Speaker 1: states that aren't pushing for these gerrymandering voting rights changes.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Young people have always been at the forefront of movements.
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  Speaker 1: They were deeply involved in the civil rights movements. The
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  Speaker 1: sit ins were students, many of the marchers were students,
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  Speaker 1: many of the organizers were students.
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  Speaker 2: The idea that the.
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  Speaker 1: Burden of pushback protests movements should not fall on young people,
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  Speaker 1: I think is very silly.
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  Speaker 2: It's their future that they're and I do think that.
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  Speaker 1: Pushing for young black athletes to go to HBCUs, to
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  Speaker 1: bring their talents to HBCUs is something that is important
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  Speaker 1: and for some of them, it is the opportunity that
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  Speaker 1: they need and will end up changing their lives and
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  Speaker 1: will change the trajectory of those schools. When Dion Sanders
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  Speaker 1: was coaching at HBCU, it was largely influential and very
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  Speaker 1: controversial from a lot of the pwis because Travis Hunter
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  Speaker 1: ended up going to an HBCU.
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  Speaker 2: I am torn because I know what.
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  Speaker 1: That kind of money can do to change life for
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  Speaker 1: a family and for generations. But I also think when
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  Speaker 1: we talk about people standing up for things and making statements,
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  Speaker 1: we can't always default to the slightest inconvenience is worth
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  Speaker 1: sacrificing our rights.
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  Speaker 2: And our freedoms.
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  Speaker 1: At some point, we do have to take what's happening
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  Speaker 1: seriously and not just talk about it. And I think that,
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  Speaker 1: to me, is the spirit of this campaign. Obviously, the
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  Speaker 1: NAACP is fully aware of the pay gap between Black
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  Speaker 1: families white families, the wealth gap, the ability to buy homes,
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  Speaker 1: the ability to start businesses, the ability to get loans.
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  Speaker 2: They're fully aware of that.
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  Speaker 1: They're fully aware of the money that black athletes generate
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  Speaker 1: for these institutions.
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  Speaker 2: That's why the campaign was put together.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it should fall squarely on the shoulders
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  Speaker 1: of the athletes. Though there are plenty of people watching
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  Speaker 1: these games, there are plenty of people donating, alumni donating
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  Speaker 1: to these institutions, and it actually shouldn't just fall on
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  Speaker 1: the people's supporting the institutions. The institutions themselves should have
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  Speaker 1: something to say about this. It is across the board issue.
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  Speaker 1: When you are talking about institutionally the government suppressing our vote,
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  Speaker 1: I talk about voting constantly because one, as I've said
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  Speaker 1: a million times, it is disrespectful to our ancestors that
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  Speaker 1: people don't vote. People were killed, lynched, raped, murdered, terrorized, beaten,
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  Speaker 1: and forbidden from voting. Because it actually matters, they wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be doing all of that. They wouldn't be going to
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  Speaker 1: these lengths to roll back work that was done in
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  Speaker 1: the Civil rights era. If it didn't matter. They don't
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  Speaker 1: care about those things. If it doesn't matter, they want
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  Speaker 1: to be able to suppress the black vote. And that
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  Speaker 1: should terrify everyone. And if you live in these states
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  Speaker 1: or you spend money in these states, should be upset
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  Speaker 1: about this if you understand the deep level of racism
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  Speaker 1: and control that is happening with this. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is something that has to happen across the board in
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  Speaker 1: order for it to be effective. But I also think
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  Speaker 1: that when it comes to organizing movements, when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to standing up to what's happening, we don't really have
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  Speaker 1: an organized voice. We don't have an organized movement, We
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  Speaker 1: don't have a leader, we don't have people.
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  Speaker 2: That we trust in these spaces. And I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone didn't like MLKA, everyone didn't like Malcolm X, everyone
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  Speaker 1: didn't agree with the civil rights movement. Don't cause problems,
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  Speaker 1: don't disrupt things. I understand that any time that there
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  Speaker 1: is a movement for change, there is resistance even within
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  Speaker 1: the community that is being oppressed. But at some points,
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  Speaker 1: at some point, we got to figure it out because
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of work, very openly loudly work, open
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  Speaker 1: loud work being done to roll back all of the change,
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  Speaker 1: all of the progress that was fought for. I personally
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  Speaker 1: am terrified. I think it's crazy that we have all
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  Speaker 1: sort of just accepted that this is happening. And I
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  Speaker 1: get it, Like, what.
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  Speaker 2: What are we supposed to do? That's the question. What
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  Speaker 2: are we supposed to say? What are we supposed to
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  Speaker 2: fight for? Where do we go?
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  Speaker 1: Where do we No one's fighting for us in Congress,
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  Speaker 1: no one's no one's pushing back on this regime, and
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  Speaker 1: every change that they are they are making that will
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  Speaker 1: permanently affect our futures.
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  Speaker 2: So do nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, and I think that's to me what
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  Speaker 1: I interpreted in the spirit of this campaign is that
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  Speaker 1: maybe one strong voice, from one strong young person that
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  Speaker 1: is deeply desired by these institutions that they want their talent,
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  Speaker 1: maybe one player could start that firestorm to put to
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  Speaker 1: make them see that the money and the influence is
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  Speaker 1: not going to continue to flow while the rights and
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  Speaker 1: the freedoms are not supported.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, that was my takeaway from it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not reasonable to ask every single athlete that is
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  Speaker 1: planning on going to one of those schools and getting
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  Speaker 1: paid millions of dollars to play the sports that they've
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  Speaker 1: worked their entire life to get the opportunity to play
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  Speaker 1: at that level, change their families' lives and get opportunities
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  Speaker 1: and access that otherwise would not exist. But maybe one
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  Speaker 1: athlete will stand up and say something and will be
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  Speaker 1: articulate enough to explain why, and that will shake the
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  Speaker 1: hearts and minds of the people who need to hear it,
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  Speaker 1: because consequences seem to be the only thing that matter anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Because you can't present people with facts. You can't present
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  Speaker 1: people with reality. You can't present people with history and
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  Speaker 1: have them absorb it anymore.
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  Speaker 2: So I do think that it's an interesting proposition.
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  Speaker 1: There are things I disagree with it, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it's slightly incomplete, but the spirit of it is, at
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  Speaker 1: some point somebody has to put their convenience and comfortability
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  Speaker 1: behind their rights and freedom and the voice.
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  Speaker 2: And platform that they have all right.
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  Speaker 1: Time to get to never Too Personal, I love this question.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the question. If you had to pick one,
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  Speaker 1: loyalty or respect, which one and why? This is very
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  Speaker 1: easy for me, and it's respect. I think the idea
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  Speaker 1: of loyalty is very fluid. Are you loyal in business?
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  Speaker 1: Are you loyal in friendship? Are you loyal in a relationship?
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  Speaker 1: Are you loyal in family? And no matter what anyone says,
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  Speaker 1: you are not one hundred percent loyal to another person.
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  Speaker 1: If you do that, you at some point are going
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  Speaker 1: to compromise your.
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  Speaker 2: Loyalty to yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's very nuanced, and we could talk about that
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  Speaker 1: for a whole other hour.
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  Speaker 2: But the reason that I choose respect is I think
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  Speaker 2: if you respect.
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  Speaker 1: Someone, you will default to being loyal to them, but
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  Speaker 1: you will also make choices that don't make them feel
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  Speaker 1: like any level of disloyalty that you have to them
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  Speaker 1: was done in a malicious way. And I think the
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  Speaker 1: people that I know respect me. If they do something
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  Speaker 1: I disagree with, I know I can have a conversation
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  Speaker 1: with them about why, and at the end I might
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  Speaker 1: not agree with them, but we will still respect each other.
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  Speaker 1: And I think respect is so much deeper. It runs
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  Speaker 1: so much deeper than blind loyalty. I would rather respect
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  Speaker 1: a politician than be loyal to them. I would rather
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  Speaker 1: respect my partner than be blindly loyal to them. I
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  Speaker 1: would rather respect my parents than be loyal to them.
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  Speaker 1: I want to respect someone first, and all of these
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  Speaker 1: other things will follow afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: I get it. Loyalty is a very loaded word.
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  Speaker 1: It's gets thrown a lot around a lot in the
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  Speaker 1: sports space, and in that part of my career, I
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  Speaker 1: argue it down to the death. You're not loyal to
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  Speaker 1: the team that drafted you, this player, this employee, is
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  Speaker 1: not loyal.
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  Speaker 2: To a company that's what you're saying. Just because you wear.
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  Speaker 1: Their jersey does not mean that they are obligated to
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  Speaker 1: be loyal to an organization who at any point can
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  Speaker 1: be disloyal and won't be held to the same standard.
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  Speaker 1: It's business. There's no loyalty in business, So loyalty gets
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  Speaker 1: thrown out a lot in that space. Loyalty to family.
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  Speaker 1: Why am I being loyal to a family that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: protect me, doesn't support me?
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  Speaker 2: Is abusive lies? Why why am I being loyal to that?
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  Speaker 1: So there's all these like loyalty things that get thrown out,
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  Speaker 1: and everyone's idea of loyalty is pretty different. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that everyone's idea of respect really varies that much.
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  Speaker 1: If you respect someone, you move a certain way, and
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  Speaker 1: if you don't respect someone, you move a certain way.
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  Speaker 1: And there's really more of a hard line with respect
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  Speaker 1: and not respecting. And while I think you might be
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  Speaker 1: able to pitch someone on being loyal to them again,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you can pitch someone on respecting someone
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  Speaker 1: again when you stop respecting someone. I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: I've ever lost respect for someone and had them earn
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  Speaker 1: it back again. That is a very difficult thing.
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  Speaker 2: To do so, I personally would choose respect.
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