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Ep. 12 with Jibril Aminu · King Dems Podcast | Growth Mindset, Leadership, AI and Business Insights

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  Ladies and gentlemen, you once again welcome to the King James
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  Podcast and today I have with me a co-founder of the African
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  Fighters Podcast. He is a man of you know,
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  multiple endeavours, multiple businesses, multiple skills,
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  multiple accomplishments. Please be welcome.
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  Jibril. Aboki Amini.
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  How are you, my brother? Yo, sucking them.
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  It's, uh. I would say it's just proper for
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  me to be here. I'm a bit disappointed that I'm
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  not your first guest because you are a regular.
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  You are. You are irregular on my show,
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  and it took four episodes before I got on here and I had to drop
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  hints. I was like, when am I going to
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  be on the pod? I don't get it.
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  You're asking me for recommendations.
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  Do you know this guy? Can you speak to this guy?
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  But you're not talking to me. What did I do to you?
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  Why am I? Why did why was I did Why was I
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  the fifth option to be a guest on your show when I was there.
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  When the idea when the idea of this your podcast started
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  killing them podcast. I was there when it started.
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  I was there when you got when when the the system was going
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  on, the graphics was there. I was even instrumental in some
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  part of it. And then I'm still #5 as a guest
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  I am disappointed in. You I think are you #5 think
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  shag shag was on earlier today so.
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  You have been making it worse. OK, It's OK.
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  No, I'm fine. I'm glad to be here.
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  I will. I will.
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  Sorry, a prophet is not appreciated in his hometown.
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  Yeah, right. Yeah, right.
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  I think, I think your audio breaks a bit.
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  I'm not sure which microphone you're using.
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  Are you using your microphone or do you want on your headset?
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  It's breaking up a bit. OK, let me check the sex scene.
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  Let me check the setting. Boom, boom, boom, boom.
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  Yeah. And he's in this this microphone
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  and I'm using. OK.
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  I think, I think it's fine now. It's fine.
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  I can hear you. OK, I had to go to the setting.
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  OK, good, good, good, good, good.
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  All good now. So yes, alright.
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  You once again welcome. Who is to build a menu?
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  Like, who are you? We're getting into it straight
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  away, ladies and gentlemen. My name Jibril Aminu, by the
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  way. On my passport it did.
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  It does say Aminu Jibril, uh long story, but uh, my name is
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  Jabro, my dad's name is Aminu. I am from Sokoto State in
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  Nigeria. That's the extreme northwestern
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  part of Nigeria. For those that don't understand
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  Nigerian geography, that is part of the Sahara.
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  So we are actually closer to the Sudans and the Senegalese than
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  being closer to Nigeria, if that makes sense.
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  So hence why, yeah, hence why I run into a lot of Africans and I
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  would say I'm Nigerian and they would try to argue with me and I
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  would have to speak pigeon for them to understand to to agree
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  actually. But yeah, so I'm from Sokoto
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  State, Nigeria. I was born in Lagos but only
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  stayed there for like the 1st 10 years of my life before we moved
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  to Sokoto. We moved back to Sokoto because
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  my dad was in the Air Force, so the Nigerian Air Force, and he
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  was based at the Air Force Base in Lagos, which is where I was
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  born. Yeah, I've been around the
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  world, uh dominantly. I've been in Asia for a long
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  time. I spent about six years in
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  China. When I went to uni I I did study
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  in Nigeria as well, but I moved to the UK here just about three
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  years ago during the pandemic, which is a crazy whole chapter,
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  but. Just entire.
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  Yeah. The question is who is Jibril?
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  Yes. So Jabrill is that is who I am.
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  Hausa Boy, Sokoto, Nigeria I am a bit into media.
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  I I have a podcast with my colleague Farooq about African
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  fighters. I'm very passionate about sports
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  at large, but in the hierarchy of sports, I'm passionate about
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  MMA and combat sports is up there.
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  So I watch a lot of football. I mean, soccer to Americans
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  don't watch American football. But I watch, I do watch a whole
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  bunch of sports. I'm a big fan of the NBA,
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  Premier League, football, pro wrestling, WWE, yeah to watch a
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  whole lot of stuff. So hence why.
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  Hence How I Met King Dems here. So me and King Dems met in one
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  of the, I don't know, chat rooms of MMA, MMA space that we met.
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  And yeah, so me and Farouq, my colleague, we started the
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  African fighters as a space for African fans of combat sports.
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  Because at that point it was a point when we had three Kings,
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  we had three African champions in the UFC.
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  And then we decided like, yo, this is exciting.
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  We got to pull ourselves together and then yeah, we did
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  pull the African fighters together.
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  And today I would say it has been a success so far.
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  We put our podcast weekly, we've got a YouTube channel, we've got
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  social media and stuff, we've got website.
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  We even we even had pioneered, I believe the first African Combat
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  Sports awards which were doing the 2nd edition next month.
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  Um, yeah. I really, really are not.
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  I'm not really doing a good job answering this question.
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  I've been all over the place talking about myself and talking
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  about the things I've done. But yeah, please, it's your
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  fault. You ask me very vague question,
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  ask me question directs that we answer.
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  So I would be beating around the Bush.
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  They'll be open minded. And I said open-ended brother,
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  right, But interesting. Don't worry, we'll work through.
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  We'll work through your life, work with things you've done
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  right. But then can you, like talk
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  briefly about your childhood, like, was childhood like for
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  you? And of course your university
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  days, because universities are quite interesting.
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  You went to China, right? You're the China man.
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  So let us, let us, let us have it.
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  What childhood, first ten years of my life was in Lagos, in the
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  barracks. I'm a typical barrack boy, but
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  inside the barrack we were in the officers quarters.
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  So we were not in the rough areas of the barracks.
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  We were sort of like in the booty areas at Gibraltar areas
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  Nigerian reference, that's like the the butter kids in it.
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  So after I was 10, we moved back to Sokoto which is in the
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  northern part of Nigeria that is.
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  That opened my eyes a lot because I would say I've been
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  fortunate to to understand the whole of the country in Nigeria
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  is because I was born in the South and then grew up a bit
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  there and then moved to the north.
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  So I kind of understand both areas or cultures.
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  And yeah, moving to Sokoto, I was very different.
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  If if you've never been to the northern part of Nigeria, it
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  totally feels like a different part of the country.
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  If you land in Kano State, for example, and you land in Lagos,
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  you probably think you're in two different places because the
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  language, it's totally, totally different.
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  So yes, I was exposed to that early.
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  Blessed to have I went to unity Colleges.
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  So there's this thing called unity colleges in Nigeria.
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  You probably don't know king them.
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  So our educates you. So Unity colleges is like
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  something that the federal government of education did
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  where they tried to get federal secondary schools that would
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  give equal amount of admissions to kids in 36 states of Nigeria.
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  So it's called Unity College because it's even if it's in
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  Sokoto, for example, it's not going to be dominated by Sokoto
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  boys or Sokoto girls. Understand Sokoto students.
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  It would be kids from all across the country.
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  So I was privileged to be in a Unity College where there were
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  kids from Borno Adamawa, kids from the South, Ibo boys and
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  girls and all that. So umm, I got really exposed to
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  like Pan Pan Africanism or Pan Nigeria anism or nationalism,
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  wherever the world would be. So I got exposed to different
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  cultures there as well. It was a very, very beautiful
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  experience. I went to boarding school and I
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  really enjoyed it after that. I'm not a young boy.
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  I graduated secondary school in two. 1000 How old are you?
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  How old are you? I am 32 years old, so I.
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  Graduated. They're not old.
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  I'm 31 and I'm young. Big Brother let me finish so so
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  so graduated high school 2007. I started going to uni in KB
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  states is another state in northern Nigeria in Kebbi state
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  and I wasn't really paying attention to be honest in school
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  at that point I was just doing what whatever I want to do.
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  I was very young, I was what, 16 at the time I graduated.
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  I started going to uni at 16, so I really didn't even know what.
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  Yeah, I did not even know what was this thing called credit
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  score. You know what?
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  In credit units unit. I didn't know what credit unit
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  was until I got to my 4th year in uni.
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  That time I did not know what it was.
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  So that's how one serious I was. But I graduated with a past
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  degree. What that is is you are not.
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  It's not an option. Certificate of attendance.
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  So sort of like that, sort of like that.
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  So like, you just get to go to NYC and then yeah, So what
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  happened is when I go home with my past degree, my dad was like,
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  Nah dude, you're not going to you're not going to do anything
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  with this or whatever and. Then you have that time.
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  This was 2013, so that was 10. I'll be 22, right.
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  Wait yeah, cause I yeah, I think I'll be 22 at that point 2013
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  because when 2023 now. So yeah, this was around 2013.
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  So I go back, my dad was like, Nah, you've got to do another
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  one. And at that point, my younger
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  brother was just about to leave the country.
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  I'm in the country and to go study somewhere.
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  And then, yeah, China came along.
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  A lot of people ask me why China, it's just fate because it
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  was my dad always gets Daily Trust newspaper every day.
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  So there was a publication on the Daily Trust about Anzac.
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  Anzac is the association of Nigerian students in China.
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  So they will make, they made a post about, oh we've got a new
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  president in answer. I mean, I I saw that I was like,
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  wait, what? Because when my dad gets a
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  newspaper, every, every time he brings a newspaper, because I
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  love sports, I start from the back page.
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  Right. Normally, traditionally,
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  traditionally, Traditionally if you, if you get a newspaper,
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  yeah, if you get a newspaper, you look at the headlines and
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  then and flip through it. But me, what I normally do is I
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  go. I start from the back because
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  the sports, the sports columns are all in the back.
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  Calling to do the same thing. So, So what I do with those
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  newspapers is I go, I go through the back, I go through the
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  sports column and then I go through the from there I go
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  through the puzzles. I try to to do that daily puzzle
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  that they do and then I'll start reading news.
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  So after my sport. Yeah, Did you ever buy
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  themselves spookiest papers? The likes of complete sports?
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  Those. Ohh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
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  yes, yes. Are you?
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  Launched. I used to buy those things.
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  Yeah, I used to carve them up and decorate my desk in
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  secondary school. Ohh wow.
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  Like the pictures right? You scissors and cut them and
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  put them on my door in my drawer.
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  House school. But yeah, so this day, this
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  Daily Trust newspaper, I flipped through the back as usual.
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  Then I went to do the daily puzzle as usual.
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  And then just there I just saw a tiny column and they were
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  talking about I was like Nigerians in China, students.
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  So they universities in China. And then I was like, Ohh, I
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  gotta look this up, right? And then I remember at that
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  point, my brother, my brother was about to go to Malaysia, my
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  younger brother. And because I brought up China
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  was like, your dad, there's China.
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  And then we looked it up and we saw that the, the tuition fee
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  was not all that looked at Chinese universities like, OK,
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  yeah, you go fight, you go figure it out Because I knew
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  that my dad says I had to do another degree.
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  I knew that if I don't stand up and actually get this to go
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  through, I'll end up doing another degree in Nigeria, which
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  as a kid that time you feel like a failure because all your
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  coursemates are already doing NYC, are already working and you
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  would not want, you would not be encouraged to go to school, to
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  uni again when all your coursemates have already gone
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  ahead. So I was like, I have to see
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  this through. I started going to the Internet
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  cafe because at that point Internet wasn't well is not what
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  it is today. Internet cafe.
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  I remember the name of the website I found because I just
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  used clicked on the first website I searched when I
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  searched on Google admissions in China, Chinese admission.
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  The first link was an agency. It's called CCAS.
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  I went there, searched, and then when I was just there and agent
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  just popped up, he was like, yeah, how can I help you?
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  Like yo, I'm looking for admission 2 people and the guy
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  was answering me sharp, sharp. He was answering me, sharp,
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  sharp and he was like, where do you want to go?
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  I said Anywhere that has Nigerians causing my head.
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  I was thinking there will be no Nigerians there.
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  I two things I told him I want. I want petroleum engineering for
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  my brother and I want computer science for myself.
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  I want English taught Tom. I won't discourses to be taught
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  in English because I don't want to come.
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  I have to learn Chinese and I want, I want a city or a school
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  that has a big Nigerian population, which is why I
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  messed up, because when I went there, Nigerians have already
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  corrupted the system. I should have told him to just
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  take me to another, another city.
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  But yeah, so that was my that was how.
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  Community. Anyways, yeah, so that's that
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  was how I got, I got, I got the admission me and my brother, we
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  ran in 2014. We went to China.
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  Then how's the time in China? How's the time in China like,
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  how did you adapt to the system? What's the name You see?
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  You see you like you are asking big questions.
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  How was your time in China? You have to give me specifics,
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  but yes, China was fine. So any culture shock like what
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  hits you? Know you're talking.
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  Now you're talking. So I I think I'm still learning
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  bro, with diversity and what the world is.
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  For example, leaving Nigeria and they're moving to China and then
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  ending up spending six years in China, right.
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  Then moving to the UK quarterly totally opened my mind when I
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  got here. Like, for example, if you tell a
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  British person like you spent some time in China, they're
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  like, were they racist to you? You know, that's the first thing
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  that comes to your mind. And me, when I was in China,
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  now, looking back, racism was happening to me, but I didn't
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  know it was racism. I just thought they were being
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  ignorant which they were being ignorant.
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  But because most Chinese folks don't don't don't have
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  experiences meeting foreigners because we are foreigners there.
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  It's not just me, any colour of skin including white people.
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  They don't have experience meeting them.
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  Loads of people where you every day I go to a train station and
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  enter a train I would run into a Chinese person that will tell me
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  you are the first black person I've ever seen in my life.
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  So and then they go, they could ask you very stupid questions
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  like how did you come here? I heard there are no planes in
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  Africa blah blah blah. So what are you tried?
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  What I tried to do is. What I try to do is I don't show
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  them that I speak Chinese because I can't do speak
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  Chinese. When when when you run into them
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  and they understand, they realise that you understand how
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  to speak Chinese, bro. The questions that they'll
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  bombard you with. You could have 20 people circle
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  around you. Circle around you, looking at
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  you there. Could be curious enough to say
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  they want to put your hair, bro. So.
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  Crazy. So it's let me tell you a story,
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  a story in my uni, our because what in the uni I was, we had
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  this international building, so it's the faculty of
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  international students. So it's a ginormous building
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  with like 20 floors and there was like, uh, our classes were
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  in there, we had our apartments in there, we had our
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  supermarkets, Choshu, we had them in there.
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  We had all the rec centres in there and stuff and and so the
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  supermarket there, there's this lovely eye.
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  Sorry, I is like auntie, so we call there's shifu and I in
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  Chinese. So shifu, every elderly person
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  you see just call him shifu or if she's elderly you call her
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  eye because it's uncle and auntie or whatever.
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  So there's this lovely I she's very lovely to me and my
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  brother. And another thing is they don't
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  they're not used to seeing siblings because they're mostly
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  have wine, kid, Papa family. And so they know that me and my
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  brother were bought. We're both tall and we kind of
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  look the same, so she's very nice to us.
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  She gives us free stuff sometimes, but then that as
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  lovely as she is, there was a time that she brought she I was
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  standing in the aisle of soaps and then she showed me a soup
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  and was like I should use this soup to lighten my skin.
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  So she thinks that she thinks that if I back very well I'm
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  going to be light skin like her. Ohh.
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  I just laughed because I did not know.
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  I just found it funny because again a Nigerian coming from
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  Nigeria. Nigeria is a place that we have
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  0 white people. So the idea of racism does not
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  exist in Nigeria. People do not.
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  Media does not bleep when people use the N word because it
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  doesn't carry anything. So like people just go around.
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  People just go around throwing the N word everywhere because it
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  doesn't exist in our community. We don't know those sort of
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  things. So like me, they have that
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  orientation of not seeing racism.
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  When I go to China and it happens to me, I really don't.
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  Still don't see it. So again that's comes back to
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  what I was telling you of like me coming to the UK and then now
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  realising Ohh is this because we what I know now and the value of
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  the value I carry my life with right now, with the fact that
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  I've been, I've been exposed to this diversity.
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  I don't think I would be able to stay six years in China if I
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  moved from here, but from Nigeria obviously I would be
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  able to. Yeah, but The thing is, you
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  know, people, people are more sensitive in this part of the
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  world than. Yeah.
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  So and and then yes, you you learn to be sensitive yourself
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  too because you learn to to to to to to speak for yourself and
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  like treat people the way you would want them to be.
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  You would you would want to be treated as well.
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  So it's not the case in Nigeria, bro.
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  You know Nigeria you can only get people to treat you how you
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  want when you have money. When you don't have money, you
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  just have to survive. How, how?
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  How you get treated. What's it like in Nigeria?
• 23:42
  You If you don't have money, you don't have rights.
• 23:44
  But if you have money, then you can say you have.
• 23:46
  Rights. Exactly, exactly right.
• 23:48
  It's not on that I did not understand what human rights is
• 23:52
  until I got here in China. I still didn't know.
• 23:55
  Because to be honest, this nation, right?
• 23:58
  So, so there's a lot of rules that you would have to follow
• 24:04
  blindly without questioning why the rules are there.
• 24:07
  And here if your rule is being put in place, you have to
• 24:11
  question and scrutinise. Why am I?
• 24:13
  Why do I have to do this in China?
• 24:15
  You don't have a choice, you just have to.
• 24:17
  You just have to do it like for. I'll give you an example, right?
• 24:21
  Let's say you go downstairs your apartment now and you try to
• 24:26
  leave the building through the main gate and the security man
• 24:30
  tells you no, you can't use this gate, go and use the back gate
• 24:34
  to go out. You would have to ask him like
• 24:38
  dude, why can I not go out through here?
• 24:40
  Why? And then he would explain to you
• 24:43
  like, ohh OK, there's some gas work that is being done, blah
• 24:49
  blah blah blah blah. And then you would understand
• 24:51
  and then leave. If this was China, you go
• 24:55
  downstairs and you try to go out through that same door and the
• 24:58
  security there tells you you can't use this door, you have to
• 25:00
  use the back. And you ask him why.
• 25:03
  He will tell you because it's the rule now.
• 25:05
  It's the new rule. And then you ask him, please
• 25:07
  explain to me why is this happening here.
• 25:09
  He will tell you. I don't know.
• 25:11
  My superior told me not to let anybody go through here and
• 25:15
  legitimately that officer, the other security man, does not
• 25:19
  know why because he is not trained to question power, which
• 25:26
  is expected by the citizens as well.
• 25:28
  So the citizens are not meant to expect to to to to question
• 25:32
  power once there's a rule is a rule If you if a Chinese man,
• 25:36
  yeah. If a Chinese man walks down and
• 25:37
  they tell him you can't use these gates, you have to use the
• 25:39
  other one. He wouldn't say anything.
• 25:40
  He will turn around and go. It's only us foreigners that
• 25:43
  would be like what? Why do you understand?
• 25:46
  Then go to Nigeria. Now.
• 25:49
  Just go to Nigeria now. Nigerians will like they claim
• 25:53
  victim. They'll be our problem.
• 25:54
  If person could say I want to go out through this door and the
• 26:00
  security say no. Now rule two things can happen.
• 26:04
  You can give the security money and then he'll turn the blind
• 26:07
  eye. He can pass, right?
• 26:10
  Ohh. Ohh you start being like this is
• 26:14
  injustice. You people are really the
• 26:16
  government is rubbish. It'll be chaos.
• 26:21
  So, yeah, I've. I've experienced everything,
• 26:25
  mate. Yeah.
• 26:26
  So, yeah, well, asking that question, we have almost been
• 26:30
  half an hour. We are, we are still in China.
• 26:32
  Ask another question. OK, so are you have actually
• 26:35
  acquired a lot of skills, right? From being a computer scientist
• 26:39
  to creative writing, photography, videography, social
• 26:43
  media strategist and a whole lot more.
• 26:45
  Like, how did all of these come into play?
• 26:48
  Like how did you pick up, you know, different skills at
• 26:51
  different points of your life? Is it?
• 26:54
  Is it actually deliberate or it's just a matter of faith?
• 26:58
  OK, so I've always been passionate about filmmaking
• 27:01
  growing up as a kid, whenever I see a film or movie, I'm always
• 27:06
  looking at every movie. I see at this, at the fine
• 27:09
  mistake inside. I'm always looking at how is
• 27:12
  this shot, how did they take this shot on, how do they do
• 27:14
  this? So I fell in love with the
• 27:16
  camera by then. There are a lot of
• 27:22
  photographers, popular photographers right now in
• 27:24
  northern Nigeria that we started together.
• 27:26
  We started with the photography and enthusiasm.
• 27:29
  So I want I loved film, but then film wasn't achievable for me
• 27:33
  because I was seeing the only film close to me is Kannywood
• 27:36
  and that's not what I want. So I ended up being into
• 27:40
  photography and some sort of documentary filmmaking.
• 27:46
  So I so growing up at that point photography is something that is
• 27:58
  being shamed upon and videography as well because I
• 28:03
  told my parents that yo, I want to be a filmmaker.
• 28:06
  They will say hey you want to be a cameraman that's what they're
• 28:09
  thinking or in house they cannot you wouldn't know who to don't
• 28:13
  Hotel means like the photographer and event is look
• 28:16
  is not is not looked as a posture because it doesn't
• 28:19
  really pay very well in Sokoto at the time.
• 28:22
  So I always wanted to study filmmaking.
• 28:26
  But when I got the chance to leave Nigeria and I could not
• 28:32
  tell my parents that I'm going to China, I want to do
• 28:35
  filmmaking. When I get to China.
• 28:37
  I had to do something that is close, closest, closest to it,
• 28:40
  which was computer science. OK, I can edit on my laptop.
• 28:44
  So at least if I go study computer science and I tell them
• 28:47
  that I want the Pentium I7 or I5 laptop or whatever, they'll buy
• 28:53
  it for me. Because I truly want to use that
• 28:55
  laptop to to do video editing, right?
• 28:58
  I don't want to use it for for for coding, so I would say.
• 29:04
  I would say mean computer science is the fate.
• 29:06
  But me in the media space is something that I subconsciously
• 29:12
  taught myself to do. Like for example, the creative
• 29:15
  side of things like the creative writing.
• 29:17
  I actually don't vision myself as the writer, although I have
• 29:20
  to do it because I did a lot for a Q oh, I'm wearing their
• 29:24
  T-shirt AQ African Knockout. This is a promotion by Kamaru
• 29:27
  Usman. Yeah, I do scripting for them a
• 29:32
  lot. But uh, that creative side is
• 29:36
  mostly from the content I consume.
• 29:38
  I watch UFC do UFC embedded, I watch UFC do a cold opener and
• 29:45
  I'm not watching it the way you're watching it.
• 29:47
  You are watching it for them to sell a fight for you.
• 29:49
  Me, I'm watching it. Wow.
• 29:51
  They have, they have. This is very good.
• 29:56
  It's either fight for them the apparel as well, right, so.
• 30:03
  Yeah, yeah. But they emerge.
• 30:05
  Yeah, so, so so that's how that's how I I found myself in
• 30:10
  this space And to start with the whole media company that we own,
• 30:16
  Ryan Farooq. It was in the Pandemic, bro.
• 30:20
  There's a whole chapter of my life that we didn't talk about
• 30:23
  the because I was in China when COVID started.
• 30:25
  But we remind me, I'll give you the gist of that one.
• 30:28
  OK, so don't let it get cold. Let's transition into that,
• 30:32
  Yeah. No, I have to finish.
• 30:34
  This in India is in my head. I have to tell you how.
• 30:36
  Our podcast started. So, so the African fighters, it
• 30:41
  started like me and Farouq went to the same secondary school in
• 30:47
  Sokoto. So when I moved to the UK, he's
• 30:50
  in Middlesbrough, I'm in Nottingham.
• 30:52
  So we kind of reconnected again and started chatting.
• 30:55
  He's one of the smartest guys I've known, like in secondary
• 30:58
  school, he's like the guys in the top of the class.
• 31:00
  Me, I'm the average student. So we were chatting and then one
• 31:04
  thing we had in common, football and MMA, we were watching UFC.
• 31:07
  Because that point I was a big fan of Kamaru Usman.
• 31:10
  And then we'll be chatting about it and then we'll spend like an
• 31:13
  hour talking on the phone And then I was like, you know what
• 31:17
  this thing would you talk? These conversations are having,
• 31:19
  they are very nice conversations.
• 31:21
  I think we should record it and put it out there on Zoom, stay
• 31:24
  on zoom, we record on Zoom. And then I'll just use my
• 31:28
  editing, just book full graphic on the Zoom thing and just put
• 31:32
  it online. And then that's how that's how
• 31:35
  we started. Then we jumped into social
• 31:37
  media, started doing the social media thing, and then starting
• 31:40
  started. We started reaching out to
• 31:42
  fighters trying to get interviews.
• 31:44
  We are getting interviews here and there and that's how the
• 31:49
  African fighters was born. So uh, how I started working
• 31:55
  with AQ. EQ have Camaro.
• 31:57
  Usman's enemy promotion, you see when you.
• 32:02
  Oh, yes. Oh, yes, yes.
• 32:05
  Come on. Yeah, come on.
• 32:08
  We had this conversation in the past, right?
• 32:10
  For me, Israel Adesanya, you Kamaru.
• 32:13
  Interesting, like I have. Connection.
• 32:15
  Yeah, so come on. Israel's right and then my mom
• 32:21
  is accused. States right?
• 32:22
  That is Kamaru. Ohh yeah.
• 32:25
  Yeah. So, so, so let me tell you how I
• 32:28
  can go connected to Kamara. I'm a big pro wrestling fan,
• 32:34
  lifelong pro wrestling fan. So sometimes there will be
• 32:36
  crossovers between pro wrestling and UFC, you know though
• 32:42
  sometime in WW they showed in a white on the screen, maybe in
• 32:45
  the Romania or Ronda Rousey coming in.
• 32:47
  But you see the Conor McGregor time.
• 32:51
  I missed the whole of the Conor McGregor time.
• 32:53
  I wasn't a fan of enemy at that time.
• 32:55
  But then UFC. Yeah, UFC 200.
• 32:59
  When Brock Lesnar made a return to UFC at that point I I watched
• 33:04
  a bit of UFC 200 because of Brock Lesnar and still because
• 33:09
  it should fight in the pro wrestling if they say something
• 33:12
  to shoot they mean something is real O ma is shoot fight.
• 33:15
  It's not as entertaining as purely because pro wrestling is
• 33:18
  scripted so it's not very pretty to see the Macrons Brock Lesnar
• 33:23
  fight was like OK I got I got tuned out again but then UFC
• 33:29
  continued jumping into WWE. Then by chance I just saw you
• 33:34
  Nigerian man in the middle of the Octagon speaking pigeon
• 33:37
  after he after a victory see who is this guy Kamaru Usman.
• 33:42
  OK followed him on Instagram so that's how I go introduce.
• 33:45
  Then I started watching his fight.
• 33:47
  I started watching his fight. I think the the the the promo I
• 33:51
  saw was the 30% promo. Ohh no no that was before that
• 33:54
  one. So anyways I say following
• 33:59
  Kamaru Usman and as I before at that point I did not even know
• 34:04
  what weight classes were. When Israel came into the UFC I
• 34:08
  was like ohh come out with my want to win this title and then
• 34:11
  this Israel boys coming. I didn't even know they were in
• 34:13
  different weight classes have yeah, that many Nigerian will
• 34:18
  fight in Nigeria. So when I then got into the game
• 34:22
  where where when I really understood what it was, it was
• 34:27
  actually in the Pandemic, the beginning of the Pandemic that I
• 34:30
  just tuned into like a proper ammonoid.
• 34:34
  I'm very, very late to the party.
• 34:37
  I was speaking to Farooq. Farooq Amazing.
• 34:40
  Very, very, yeah. Farooq is a very, very big Conor
• 34:45
  McGregor fan. He got into MMA because of Conor
• 34:47
  McGregor, because he's a Real Madrid fan and he liked
• 34:50
  Cristiano Ronaldo. And then there was a poster.
• 34:53
  Connor and Christiano were doing something together and then
• 34:56
  that's when Farooq got into it, so.
• 34:59
  That's how asked me, Rhonda and Connor.
• 35:04
  Yeah. Rhonda and Connor, yeah, refers
• 35:07
  me to. Gain so, so yes, as I was
• 35:09
  telling you my brother, that's how the African fighters
• 35:13
  started. Me and Farooq were chatting and
• 35:15
  we decided to start recording our conversations.
• 35:18
  Ohh, interesting. Then the pandemic period, right?
• 35:21
  Yeah. Well, went back to China.
• 35:25
  The UK you came to the UK in during the pandemic period.
• 35:30
  Yeah, yeah. Not the end.
• 35:31
  In the middle of it. In the middle of it, I went back
• 35:38
  to Nigeria to do NYC after my degree.
• 35:41
  So umm, when I did my NYC, I came back from my masters.
• 35:47
  I came in October, was in NN of 2019, so as I arrived I was in a
• 35:57
  city called Huainan in safe browsing in sorry in Anhui
• 36:02
  province in China. It's closer to Shanghai so and
• 36:07
  only two hours away from Wuhan Wuhan which is where the virus
• 36:12
  started from. So uh, when I came in November
• 36:18
  remember and they called COVID-19, COVID-19 because it
• 36:22
  started in 2019 but the rest of the world got in touch of it in
• 36:26
  2020. So as I got there in November, 2
• 36:29
  weeks later, we started hearing something about a virus in
• 36:32
  Wuhan. So that was when I intended to
• 36:37
  visit my old city, the city that I did my undergrad, which is
• 36:41
  Ginjo. And the train I was in was one
• 36:46
  of the trains that was being like they they were trying to
• 36:50
  like do the, the manifest of the people on those trains, patient
• 36:56
  zeros basically. So we were asked to like
• 36:59
  quarantine because people coming from Wuhan were on that train at
• 37:03
  some point before it got to wherever I was and then I got
• 37:06
  off. So like, we were like the first
• 37:08
  people that were in quarantine in the whole world.
• 37:11
  So it was, it was a very, very horrible experience.
• 37:16
  The Chinese people like to like to like, like to overblow things
• 37:20
  cause they'll be coming to give you food in hazmat suits.
• 37:24
  So that was really scary to be honest.
• 37:28
  I thought the world was going to end.
• 37:29
  I thought everybody will die. So yeah.
• 37:33
  Did you first chance? I got to leave, took it and
• 37:36
  moved out here. Hmm, interested.
• 37:40
  And then you said like ohh. Like and and also also I
• 37:45
  survived Ebola. Wow.
• 37:49
  He's like you said you were chased by pandemics in your
• 37:52
  lifetime. Yeah, you survived.
• 37:54
  Ebola. I believe Ebola.
• 37:55
  Ebola was 20. I believe Ebola was 2015.
• 38:01
  What was it, 2014? Yeah, So in my former unit, the
• 38:06
  one that I did my undergrad, there is a building called Ebola
• 38:09
  building till today. So in the blocks of the so
• 38:11
  blocks of dormitory buildings. So when Ebola started, every
• 38:16
  African kid that comes to uni will be asked to quarantine in
• 38:19
  that building. So I was in that building
• 38:22
  because we were asked to quarantine.
• 38:24
  So we don't give the Chinese people Ebola.
• 38:26
  So that's why we called it Ebola building.
• 38:30
  So, so, so, so I wasn't Ebola building, but I never had.
• 38:35
  I never had Ebola, but the Chinese people made us feel like
• 38:40
  we are shit at that point and I didn't care.
• 38:43
  But then I think we thank God you did not catch Ebola.
• 38:47
  Yeah. Just to track you, keep you on
• 38:49
  track, right. You said like a different phase
• 38:51
  of your life, like begun where you came to the UK, right.
• 38:54
  And you want to share something about that.
• 38:57
  Like what? What would you like to share
• 38:58
  about, you know, the new phase of your life that's, you know,
• 39:01
  started to? You.
• 39:03
  Transition into the UK. Community wise things are very
• 39:10
  different things, extremely different.
• 39:12
  Let's say for example, transport alone.
• 39:15
  The first time I got my boss, I rolled on your boss.
• 39:19
  It was a disaster because I did not know that I'm supposed to
• 39:23
  stick my hand out to stop the boss.
• 39:25
  I was standing in a bus stop and the boss will come drive past me
• 39:29
  and then when I'm in the bus, I don't know.
• 39:32
  I don't know that. I did not know that I have to
• 39:34
  push a button for the bus to stop.
• 39:36
  At your bus stop. I'll be Saturday and I will see.
• 39:39
  You will see us driving past because in China if you enter
• 39:43
  both automatically it is stop. You don't have to tell it to
• 39:46
  stop. If you get to a bus stop it will
• 39:48
  stop, you just go out. If you if you're standing in a
• 39:51
  bus stop it will come and meet you.
• 39:52
  So you enter. So that was an issue.
• 39:55
  And then trains. I'm so surprised at how free
• 40:01
  this country is like. You want to go from here to
• 40:06
  London. Nobody is going to stop you.
• 40:09
  Just go entitle indigo. But in China or in Nigeria it
• 40:15
  train station is like an airport.
• 40:17
  You check in your bags, not really check in your bags, but
• 40:20
  you put your bag through the thing with the scanner so that
• 40:22
  you don't have any illegal stuff in it.
• 40:25
  You show your ticket, you show your ID, you enter, go to
• 40:28
  waiting area just like your boarding a plane.
• 40:30
  That's how you enter trains in China, but in the UK is not the
• 40:34
  same like when the first time I wanted to enter a train.
• 40:39
  There's a local train in our small town here.
• 40:43
  I was looking at Google Maps. OK Google Maps the train station
• 40:47
  day here I walk to the I walked to the train station.
• 40:49
  I was looking around I did not see train station bro.
• 40:52
  I took. I spent almost an hour looking
• 40:54
  for the train station because I was expecting to to see a
• 40:57
  building that is written train station, but no.
• 41:01
  It's. Small roof.
• 41:05
  Yeah, it's just a small small roof and you just wait.
• 41:09
  If didn't stop, you enter. Nobody will ask you anything.
• 41:12
  If they ask you for tickets, which they don't always do, is
• 41:15
  when you are sitting inside the train.
• 41:17
  So, Daisy, Daisy, there's a lot of that.
• 41:23
  Yeah, they said they. Said.
• 41:25
  Yes, it says train station, but it is point.
• 41:28
  It a point. It's a train station but the
• 41:30
  point. But then I will go there and I
• 41:32
  don't see anything. I'm looking for a train station
• 41:35
  building. Did you understand?
• 41:39
  So. So yeah, I think another thing,
• 41:45
  in China they are big on ideas like identity.
• 41:48
  You have to be carrying your ID along a lot depending on the
• 41:51
  city you have. Some cities you have to
• 41:53
  literally have your passport in your pocket because the police
• 41:55
  can literally ask you to identify yourself.
• 41:59
  So here it's not the same. Here you have the freedom to
• 42:02
  move up and down. Nobody has the right to stop you
• 42:04
  and ask for your ID unless you prompt them by doing something
• 42:07
  illegal. So um, and in China when they
• 42:12
  ask you to when you have your passport around, you don't feel
• 42:15
  like they are stressing your life because you come from
• 42:17
  Nigeria where life is stressful by default.
• 42:20
  So, so yeah, that's another that's another thing, man.
• 42:27
  Crazy world. I think Nigeria is also being an
• 42:29
  ID sort of right. Like yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 42:34
  Well, I don't think, I don't think it's as big as it is in
• 42:36
  China because China they are. When they see a foreigner, they
• 42:39
  are always concerned if the foreigner is legal or if the
• 42:43
  foreigner is what cause. Like if you have a student visa,
• 42:47
  you're not allowed to work on a student visa.
• 42:50
  So if you are working illegally now that's another issue, you
• 42:53
  can get gaoled for it. So and then if you are an alien
• 42:59
  now, another situation, be there before they send you.
• 43:01
  They deport you, They will gaol you first.
• 43:03
  So yeah. Crazy world that it feels like.
• 43:08
  That's like a different world entirely, but that's a that's a
• 43:12
  discussion for another day. So the next question basically
• 43:16
  is, you know, tell us about your achievements and challenges and
• 43:20
  life thus far. And of course, what
• 43:22
  accomplishments are you most proud of?
• 43:24
  The person? Hmm, I don't know whether I
• 43:32
  don't achieve anything of. You you don't too many things,
• 43:35
  that's a problem. No, I have not one too many
• 43:38
  things. I'm not on too many things.
• 43:40
  Everything. You are a computer scientist.
• 43:44
  You are a videographer. You're so should be a
• 43:48
  strategist, right? Come on, your content creator.
• 43:52
  Come on you. Have you got really, really
• 43:55
  great stuff? But then that's the thing with
• 43:58
  great people, right? They feel like they've not done
• 44:00
  enough. At what point do you think you
• 44:02
  feel like you've done it? Ohh, you're doing something to
• 44:04
  be proud of. Hmm, one more.
• 44:11
  I don't know. Let's just let's, let's let's
• 44:14
  start from the top, right? Like what?
• 44:16
  What thing have you accomplished, Aren't you?
• 44:18
  You look back and you say you're really proud of this thing.
• 44:23
  You know, Anu Sabi beat my drum, OK?
• 44:27
  But OK, I'm wearing an equal T-shirt, right?
• 44:31
  So I would say that the work that I've done for EQ.
• 44:35
  I feel like, I feel like it's a it's a very, very big
• 44:39
  accomplishment because like getting to when meets them,
• 44:42
  getting to even meet them to from like OK, so I mentioned we
• 44:48
  did the African Fighters Awards right.
• 44:50
  So we did an award where we gave Kamaru Usman an award and when
• 44:56
  we we wanted to actually physically hand him the award.
• 45:01
  So Kamaru Usman was in Nigeria to promote Ako and we knew he
• 45:07
  was in Nigeria. So we were dropping DMS to him,
• 45:09
  his brother, his cousin like yo guys, please, we have an award
• 45:14
  we want to give Kamaru Usman. We just want a picture of Kamaru
• 45:17
  Usman holding our award and that's it, right?
• 45:21
  We are not asking for interview or whatever.
• 45:24
  I think his brother Kash was somewhat responsive, but the
• 45:28
  person that actually was very, very helpful.
• 45:31
  Helpful was Wild Paris of Anatomy of a Fighter.
• 45:37
  You know we'll Harris he he was on Joe Rogan experience.
• 45:41
  He's the guy that has like all that does like that is the #1
• 45:46
  documentary maker for MMA. So he makes documentaries for
• 45:50
  vlogs for Kamaru Usman as well and he was with Kamaru Usman on
• 45:53
  that trip. So we got to speak to him and
• 45:57
  then when we so will Harris. Now when we give Kamaru Usman
• 46:02
  the award, Will Harris was like ohh yeah, we should send the the
• 46:06
  names of the the name of the person that is going to give the
• 46:10
  award. So they would add him on the
• 46:11
  media list for the event. So we sent and then at that
• 46:15
  point the only person we knew was Demola.
• 46:18
  You had Demola. Sorry Maya.
• 46:21
  Maya you had mayor on my on your podcast and we contacted.
• 46:25
  Mayor was like yo dude please we need to send Kamaru Usman an
• 46:30
  award. Can you please just hand him
• 46:31
  this award on behalf of us? He was like, yeah, sure, we got
• 46:36
  my tickets or media pass, Sumaya went.
• 46:42
  But damn mummy boy, he got too excited when he got met Kamaru
• 46:47
  Usman. He did not take a proper
• 46:48
  picture. I swear this picture I think
• 46:52
  given the award we gave him two awards to give Osman.
• 46:56
  I think it was fighter of the year and knock out of the year
• 47:00
  and one of them got broken. I don't know if he's by the
• 47:02
  carriers and like to be honest. The award wasn't even the one
• 47:04
  that we were supposed to use. We quickly found someone in
• 47:09
  Nigeria to make an award. Please put a sticker on it.
• 47:13
  Go and give us one. And yeah, so when, when that
• 47:18
  happened, Will Harris then saw our page and saw what we did and
• 47:22
  then he noticed that. I don't want to say that the
• 47:25
  people that ran AQ were clueless, but the people that
• 47:27
  ran AQ were not very experienced with Mummy and they needed
• 47:31
  people that knew Ma, which was awesome, and Farooq and then he
• 47:35
  told them, like, yo, you guys should contact these guys to
• 47:38
  help you out with whatever this is, right?
• 47:41
  And we only knew about this recently to be honest, because
• 47:45
  it was recently because we've been working with for two years
• 47:48
  now and it was recently that one of them there that was telling
• 47:51
  us I Will Harris had nice things to say about us.
• 47:53
  Ohh. OK.
• 47:56
  So just like what feel like the gatekeepers for MBA in Nigeria,
• 48:02
  right, because when I was was on the port we we we were having a
• 48:06
  conversation. He was really crazy about this.
• 48:09
  The Forbes 30 under 30 think you know at some point, right?
• 48:12
  And then I was like, well. If.
• 48:16
  He did not make the Fox 30 under 30, but at least he should be
• 48:19
  able to pride himself in the fact that we are one of the top
• 48:22
  30 Nigerians globally in terms of ME and knowledge, right?
• 48:28
  Yeah, myself. Yeah.
• 48:30
  Hey, hey. Think it was thinking wattage,
• 48:34
  Think about it, right? Top 30 Nigerians globally in
• 48:39
  terms of, you know, MMA knowledge, are you not gonna put
• 48:43
  yourself? Umm, I think because because
• 48:46
  working with Q, they've, they've brought me to Nigeria.
• 48:50
  I have physically met a lot of MMA players in Nigeria.
• 48:54
  Um, I think I've met literally everybody and to be honest,
• 49:00
  they've got, I've got the they respect me in that aspect.
• 49:04
  So that's very, very humble and very, very humble about.
• 49:07
  I'll have to be very, very humble about that.
• 49:10
  Um. And like even the fighters when
• 49:13
  I meet them they go they should respect I'm like you hold me you
• 49:16
  that you can kick my ass. Please stop this.
• 49:20
  Is fighting is different from the knowledge bro?
• 49:23
  Yeah, so. So, so, so again, as I told you,
• 49:27
  I don't know how to beat my drum, but yeah, I think, I think
• 49:31
  it's something to be proud about that we are sort of the
• 49:34
  gatekeepers of combat sports or M in Nigeria at least.
• 49:37
  Because for example, like, I don't know if you've interviewed
• 49:39
  Young Jealous. So it's from this.
• 49:44
  Yeah, so this MA space, this M, this MMA space, like for example
• 49:49
  Ako, when I'll I'll, I'll see like something I need like for
• 49:54
  example, since I got since I got started I started working with
• 49:57
  them. We've been making twigs here and
• 50:01
  there with regards to the commentary team, because
• 50:04
  commentary is very important because Nigerians are not very
• 50:07
  knowledgeable about MEP's and the way they will learn is when
• 50:10
  they watch on TV and they the commentator is actually
• 50:13
  educating them about what's going on in front of their
• 50:15
  screen. It's very important because when
• 50:18
  we met in the beginning, the people, the people that they
• 50:21
  had, I want, I don't want to knock anybody off.
• 50:23
  Like if you even go and watch that their Netflix show EQ
• 50:26
  African Knockout. The first one had OK Bakassi as
• 50:29
  the commentator, which he had no idea what he was talking about.
• 50:33
  And then yeah, he's a comedian. He had no idea what he was
• 50:38
  talking about. Ohh he's transitioning to mount
• 50:42
  and he is brown and pound. Oh bro, he was he was a disaster
• 50:47
  to listen to. Like I cringed when I listened
• 50:50
  to it. So we've been trying to make
• 50:51
  tweaks here and there like Young Jollof.
• 50:54
  I had to like chase Young. Well, I didn't chase Young Jung
• 50:58
  off, but like I told him, I recommended him and then I got
• 51:02
  him to have a conversation with them and then and then we
• 51:05
  brought him on board and then we brought recommendations here and
• 51:08
  there. So uh, I think with equal right
• 51:13
  now, I think we have the perfect balance with commentary team.
• 51:15
  I like what we've heard from the last event.
• 51:20
  Yeah. So again, I'm very, very happy
• 51:24
  with where AQ is now compared to before we go on board with them.
• 51:28
  So yeah. Yeah, that's that's some good
• 51:31
  stuff, you know. And of course I'm really proud
• 51:33
  of the work you guys are doing in terms of, you know, bringing
• 51:36
  MMA to the forefront in in Nigeria.
• 51:40
  We hope for greater. Still get the money, but you
• 51:43
  know it's. That you are making a mark.
• 51:46
  You're making a mark. You might not do it right now,
• 51:48
  but then in many years to come, you will be more proud of, you
• 51:52
  know, the good job that you guys are doing.
• 51:55
  You hopefully. You.
• 52:00
  OK, let's let's talk about the African fighters, right.
• 52:03
  What really drew your interest into the MMA fighters, right?
• 52:08
  And of course you have the African fighters, sports media
• 52:11
  and management, right? Is that is that correct?
• 52:15
  Is it like a very yeah company something?
• 52:19
  So, so it's registered, we are media management company, we
• 52:22
  manage fighters as well. But before we got into this, I
• 52:26
  didn't know that managing fighters is a very, very, very,
• 52:29
  very tough situation, most especially when it comes to
• 52:32
  Nigeria fighters. Our experience in that part of
• 52:36
  the business of management is very, very, very tiring, very,
• 52:40
  very tiring. But Farooq is mostly the guy
• 52:44
  that handles that aspect of it. Um, yeah, so we do.
• 52:50
  We do manage fighters. If you've got a fighter that is
• 52:52
  looking to get his career on track, we can actually manage.
• 52:56
  And if he's got a decent record, we can recommend him to top
• 53:00
  promotions like because we got connections with like Brave CF
• 53:04
  and Brave FC and RSFC. Yeah, Fernand Lopez replies.
• 53:10
  Our he replies, our DMS, the matchmakers at Brave, the reply,
• 53:16
  our DMS only people will never reply.
• 53:18
  We know the reply was yet. Nah, you Warriors.
• 53:23
  And because we know a few people.
• 53:26
  I think it's just a matter of asking someone for a contact
• 53:29
  from U Warriors and they will give it to us and at this point
• 53:32
  the credibility that we've. Called the FCC South Africa.
• 53:40
  ESC uh, I think we've we've spoken to them before.
• 53:46
  This guy called Graham. I think he's like one of the
• 53:49
  heads or if not the Dana White of EFC.
• 53:52
  I don't, I'm not sure. I don't think he's the owner,
• 53:53
  but he's like the leader there. I can't remember exactly what
• 53:57
  his position is. I think we spoke to him a while
• 54:00
  ago and he did respond, but we haven't done, we haven't had any
• 54:05
  proper conversation with them yet.
• 54:07
  However, I know that it's not going to be a hard conversation
• 54:10
  to have. But what's in it for what?
• 54:17
  What conversation? Why would you start having
• 54:19
  conversations when you don't have something to present?
• 54:22
  So I would rather have something tangible to talk about.
• 54:25
  I don't want to contact Graham and be like how are you Sir?
• 54:28
  How is the family known? So for example, I was chatting
• 54:34
  with Ola from Fight Week show and like Ola helped in producing
• 54:39
  one of the montages or video packages for one of the EFC
• 54:44
  cards that they do over there. And to be honest, I know a few
• 54:49
  people within, within AQ, within EFC management.
• 54:58
  It's not like I'm going to, I don't want to disclose names
• 55:00
  here. But yes, I do know a few people
• 55:03
  and most of them actually I know two people and I do one reason
• 55:08
  why don't you disclose them? Like you said, they mostly
• 55:10
  complain about the management so but then you for like for
• 55:17
  example. But for example, if I want, if I
• 55:19
  want to recommend a fighter to them icon yeah, but again I'm
• 55:25
  not. It depends.
• 55:27
  It depends. I'm.
• 55:28
  I'm not. I'm not managing anybody at the
• 55:30
  moment. We, I don't know if I should
• 55:32
  talk about contractual things here.
• 55:34
  No, I'll just leave it. But I don't have a reason to
• 55:37
  talk to them right now about the fighter.
• 55:39
  OK he just did but then let let's keep the let's keep keep
• 55:43
  it blankets right. So if you would like to
• 55:46
  recommend a top or top prospect from Nigeria, right Currently in
• 55:51
  you know more about the the Ms space in in life yourself,
• 55:57
  right? So if you were to recommend like
• 55:59
  the top three prospects top of your head are, who will those be
• 56:03
  right now? Umm, I would say people that I
• 56:10
  would recommend that fight in a KO.
• 56:15
  Do you want them to be Nigerian? Nigerian natives alone.
• 56:18
  Anybody, anybody. I don't care about your, your.
• 56:21
  So you see so like this is, this is the the Congolese guys they
• 56:26
  have very, very talented. This guy called Ananias Mulumba,
• 56:30
  that guy is crazy good. His last three fights in Nigeria
• 56:34
  on Nigerian soil, all of them ended up ended up with
• 56:37
  submission. All three fights were submission
• 56:40
  victories. You should go see him.
• 56:42
  There's this guy called Musasa, also a Congolese guy.
• 56:45
  He's his range. He's got a very, very long range
• 56:50
  and he uses it very well, very, very pinpoint accuracy.
• 56:54
  Striking is very. Very good.
• 56:55
  And he's grappling as well, such that I believe Musasa is a
• 57:00
  federal. No, no, he is a featherweight.
• 57:04
  Yeah, I think he's a featherweight.
• 57:06
  Yeah. There's also this guy.
• 57:08
  There's this guy from Senegal called Kashmiri Diatta.
• 57:11
  I feel like the best MMA fight in Nigerian history that
• 57:17
  happened inside Nigeria. The fight.
• 57:20
  If you want to go and watch a fight, go and watch a KO1.
• 57:24
  Kashmiri Diatta from Senegal versus Musasa from Congo.
• 57:28
  That fight was amazing. Diatta is a Senegalese
• 57:32
  featherweight that he does look Senegalese wrestling, but he has
• 57:36
  impeccable knockout power. He's very, very good.
• 57:39
  I think he's someone that could easily get out there as well.
• 57:43
  Another person in Nigeria is Jibrin Baba.
• 57:50
  He might not be as entertaining for people to watch because he
• 57:53
  he is a striker, but he likes to grapple and wrestle as well.
• 57:57
  So Jibrin Baba is someone to watch out for.
• 58:00
  I think if Jibrin goes out, I think he would do, he will do,
• 58:04
  he will do good. I was going to say Cornell
• 58:09
  Thompson, but when I saw what Mulumba did, took on our
• 58:13
  Thompson recently. I'm not sure anymore but an app
• 58:19
  is saying that you you guys yeah another guy is passing that you
• 58:22
  guys should look out for is. I think you have him scheduled
• 58:25
  for podcast. So you've already done is Shagun
• 58:28
  machine gun. Cheques.
• 58:31
  You understand? I understand that he he got
• 58:34
  knocked out in sometime last year, which wasn't very, very
• 58:38
  nice. The knockout wasn't very good.
• 58:41
  It was a brutal one. Um, I think he's someone that is
• 58:45
  very, very smart and talented as well.
• 58:47
  I think he just needs to pose a couple of wins together and
• 58:51
  he'll be out there as well. Interesting.
• 58:55
  OK, OK, you said. You said you said you said you.
• 58:57
  You you said you said you interviewed him, right?
• 59:00
  Yes, earlier today, earlier today.
• 59:03
  So don't worry, he has a question for you.
• 59:05
  At the end you will get his question anyways.
• 59:09
  He has a question for me. Yes, so basically.
• 59:13
  Who? Wait, who has it?
• 59:15
  Who has a question for me? That is sex.
• 59:19
  Really. OK, so sharks.
• 59:23
  So, so, so, so, so Shanks knows me.
• 59:26
  OK. It's not that he he did not know
• 59:29
  you were gonna come on the pod, right?
• 59:31
  So I have a tradition on the port at the end of the port,
• 59:33
  right. The current guest is a question
• 59:36
  for the next guest and. Ohh.
• 59:39
  Yeah, Yeah. So you will.
• 59:41
  OK, so he didn't. He wasn't asking me a question
• 59:44
  specifically. OK.
• 59:45
  Yes, yes, that's fine. So the next question is actually
• 59:48
  no for me, right? She's a female and she's from
• 59:53
  Edo State, right? And then she know she was
• 59:56
  telling me to ask you a lot of questions about Kamaru Usman
• 59:59
  because she, you know, she actually likes Camaros, man,
• 1:00:04
  being from Edo State. But also she put this question
• 1:00:06
  on the script. She said what is your take on on
• 1:00:10
  women's MMA? So this is for you to answer a
• 1:00:15
  woman asking you about. I'm going to.
• 1:00:19
  I'm not going to. I'm not going to answer honestly
• 1:00:22
  because. You're careful.
• 1:00:24
  You you you already, you already know.
• 1:00:28
  So I'm not going to answer honestly because I can put
• 1:00:30
  myself in in trouble with cancel culture with cancel culture.
• 1:00:35
  So, umm, well we saw, I would say the biggest MMA star, female
• 1:00:45
  MMA star of all time is Ronda Rousey.
• 1:00:47
  OK, so who will be your? Top. 4/5.
• 1:00:52
  Women. Yeah.
• 1:00:54
  I love talk. I love dog rows.
• 1:00:56
  Uh, there's Rosie. I'm your machines.
• 1:00:58
  Yeah. Rules Namajunas.
• 1:01:06
  I like dog Rose. I like Amanda.
• 1:01:09
  New newness Ohh my girl from China Jiangxi.
• 1:01:16
  I understand. Yeah, and Shevchenko.
• 1:01:20
  But if I'm going to rank, yes, yes.
• 1:01:23
  If I'm going to rank them from fighters that I would love to
• 1:01:26
  see or fight as I like, Number one will be I put uh the
• 1:01:41
  lioness. Imagine you this I think she's
• 1:01:44
  the good she's the GOAT of. Woman.
• 1:01:45
  Yeah, yeah, the lioness. I think she is the goat, but the
• 1:01:49
  most she but under house is more popular than her.
• 1:01:53
  The lioness is number one. Number two.
• 1:01:55
  I like Shevchenko because of how clean she looks in there.
• 1:01:58
  She makes it looks easier as well. #3 I'll pull Jangali
• 1:02:04
  because she beats this. Girls like men against boys.
• 1:02:08
  I like toggles before. Around the Rousey will be 5th.
• 1:02:14
  Interesting. Yeah but woman MMA.
• 1:02:17
  Woman MMA is amazing man is amazing.
• 1:02:20
  However, I feel like the casual fans are not giving women the
• 1:02:25
  recognition they deserve. I feel like they they would
• 1:02:28
  rather see men fight. Hence why there is not too many
• 1:02:33
  paper views were the headliners are women.
• 1:02:35
  I can only count 2 paper views. The headliners are women in my
• 1:02:39
  head right now, and both of them had a Amanda Nunez on them, so
• 1:02:47
  that tells you a lot. Even the UFC don't put a lot
• 1:02:49
  because a lot, a lot of like pay-per-view with women
• 1:02:52
  headliners. But yeah, the women are doing
• 1:02:59
  amazing. However, it's not very fair when
• 1:03:02
  it comes to African women. African women are not closer to
• 1:03:08
  the rest of the world's skill wise like the men are, but I
• 1:03:13
  think the gap is closing in. If I'm going to give a big some
• 1:03:17
  shout out to some African girls, there's this girl called Julia
• 1:03:21
  Chuku. She Juliet Chuku, she's a
• 1:03:23
  Nigerian police officer. She's amazing.
• 1:03:27
  She, I think she's currently three and all in.
• 1:03:30
  I mean, she's on a three fight win streak.
• 1:03:32
  There's this girl called Juliet Uka.
• 1:03:35
  She's also a Nigerian girl. She's also a police officer.
• 1:03:39
  She recently fought in EFCC. She's on the yeah, she's four.
• 1:03:45
  And oh, I feel like the police officers, they have like this
• 1:03:48
  Taekwondo and kickboxing and boxing like sort of like team.
• 1:03:52
  And that's where these M people come from.
• 1:03:59
  There's this girl called Alexandra Takena.
• 1:04:01
  She is Algerian, Nigerian, But she fights.
• 1:04:05
  She's based in France. She fights in Rs.
• 1:04:07
  She's incredible, Incredible. I love her.
• 1:04:12
  There's this South African girl that is 4 and ohh as well.
• 1:04:15
  She's white. I can't just remember her name
• 1:04:17
  now. Zen something.
• 1:04:20
  Um, yeah, Shout out to her as well.
• 1:04:24
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 1:04:26
  OK, interesting. So what, what, what?
• 1:04:28
  What comment would you give on the feature of African fighters
• 1:04:31
  in general, like for the next 5 to 10 years?
• 1:04:34
  Yeah. So 20/24/2024, we are trying to
• 1:04:39
  put it to the next level. We are going to try it because
• 1:04:41
  since we started African fighters, we have not been
• 1:04:43
  making money with it, but we've been making money with avenues
• 1:04:46
  that come with it. Like for example, the work we do
• 1:04:49
  with AQ is because of African fighters and some other jobs are
• 1:04:52
  somewhere that cannot be disclosed.
• 1:04:54
  But like the brand itself to make money off like monetization
• 1:05:01
  from YouTube or well, already monetized on YouTube, we've got
• 1:05:04
  over 20,000 subscribers. But like social media, for
• 1:05:09
  example. Because something I noticed was
• 1:05:12
  when they were doing that Saudi show, Francis and Gandu versus
• 1:05:15
  Tyson Fury, those guys in Saudi were paying Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:20
  Blogs and meme social media teams and we missed out on that
• 1:05:25
  even though we are Africans. Right.
• 1:05:28
  So. So I thought we have to step up
• 1:05:32
  our game on social media so we don't get Mr We don't miss out
• 1:05:35
  on promoting events. So yeah, so 2024 we are going to
• 1:05:41
  put in a lot of work and also you guys put in your calendar I
• 1:05:47
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• 1:05:50
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  This is a very very this is, this is my this is the best news
• 1:06:40
  I've heard all day bro. All right.
• 1:06:42
  So let's see if any news will come this before the end of the
• 1:06:45
  week that will beat this one. But thank you very much.
• 1:06:47
  Really appreciate it. Of anything to support you know
• 1:06:52
  the movements and it's it's it's I'm really proud of what you
• 1:06:55
  guys are achieving, what you guys are doing right So and of
• 1:06:58
  course I'm proudly, proudly Africa.
• 1:07:01
  Yeah. Well, we, we really appreciate
• 1:07:03
  you as well. Just so you know we were having
• 1:07:05
  a conversation with Farouk about bringing you as one of the
• 1:07:07
  judges because there's some votes squad judges and you are
• 1:07:13
  part of the the panel. So I haven't told you yet.
• 1:07:16
  I was going to tell you and throw you in the group chat
• 1:07:18
  where where like because. Because we know that we know
• 1:07:24
  that the fans are very biassed. Like when if you do a category
• 1:07:28
  and if one of the fighters have like a big following and he
• 1:07:32
  reposts it, he might go and get enough voting even though he
• 1:07:36
  doesn't deserve it. But then when we have a judges
• 1:07:39
  panel and then the judges vote something else, then it's going
• 1:07:43
  to balance. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:46
  Well. So that's why we're putting
• 1:07:47
  together a panel and you are inside the panel and yeah, so
• 1:07:54
  and inside the panel we are trying to put in people that are
• 1:07:57
  like experienced from like all the realms of like South Africa.
• 1:08:02
  So maybe you can do some bit of networking as well in the.
• 1:08:05
  OK that that's interesting that's that's some really
• 1:08:08
  interesting stuff like that's a laudable actually to remarkable.
• 1:08:12
  Well great job guys. Big ups to you guys.
• 1:08:15
  I can see another question from my PA to you on this script.
• 1:08:21
  She says, OK, she's asking that what do you think about Kamaru
• 1:08:28
  Usman, that what are the odds of him retiring next year?
• 1:08:34
  You know, we had this chat yesterday with you.
• 1:08:36
  Yeah, you. We had this chat yesterday in
• 1:08:38
  the African Fighters Podcast. The episode that we did was bold
• 1:08:43
  predictions of 2024, and somewhere in there some people
• 1:08:46
  said Camaro's man is going to retire in 2024.
• 1:08:51
  The odds of him winning the title again, I honestly the odds
• 1:08:56
  is very low at this point. It's because you would have to
• 1:08:59
  create a path for him to win the title and we've we know how the
• 1:09:04
  sport work. He needs to win a fight first so
• 1:09:07
  let maybe if he wins a fight and they could just give him title
• 1:09:12
  title fight. If maybe a champion calls him
• 1:09:14
  out. For example Kobe Covington comes
• 1:09:16
  out and be like I want to fight Kamaru, Usman.
• 1:09:17
  If he beats Leon Edwards, which I don't see happening I don't
• 1:09:21
  see him beating Leon Edwards but it's going to be very very hard
• 1:09:24
  for Kamara to get back in there. But yeah, shout out to Kamara,
• 1:09:26
  please go make more money and pay us.
• 1:09:29
  OK. It's just the right like for the
• 1:09:34
  UFC 296 card coming up right at this weekend.
• 1:09:39
  So what are your predictions? Let's let's just take the main
• 1:09:42
  card, right? So what are your predictions for
• 1:09:44
  the main card? Main event?
• 1:09:46
  Leon Edwards versus Colby Covington.
• 1:09:48
  Who are you rooting? For OK I was going I was going
• 1:09:50
  to I was going to pull out the card here UFC 296 because you
• 1:09:55
  are saying alright main card. I'll start from the card opener
• 1:10:00
  then I will get to the top. So Vicente Luque versus Ian Gary
• 1:10:04
  Ian Gary is coming into this fight with with a lot of drama
• 1:10:07
  with regards to his wife and Sean Strickland and a lot of
• 1:10:10
  people on ma community bullying him.
• 1:10:13
  And I feel I feel for the poor guy and I want him to win just
• 1:10:17
  so he doesn't get in his head. I think he's capable of beating
• 1:10:21
  Vicente Luque. Vicente Luke has been in the UFC
• 1:10:24
  forever. He's one of those guys that has
• 1:10:26
  had over 20 fights in the UFC. He's a very, very good veteran.
• 1:10:30
  I think you and Gary can get it done with striking the next one.
• 1:10:34
  Tony Ferguson's versus Paddy Pimblett.
• 1:10:38
  Yeah, every MMA fan wants Tony Ferguson to win because of how
• 1:10:41
  many L's he has been taking recently.
• 1:10:43
  But regardless, I think the hype train of Paddy Pimblett will
• 1:10:47
  probably be a bit too much. But I actually do want to see
• 1:10:51
  Tony Ferguson win the next one. Shafqat Rakhmanov versus Stephen
• 1:10:55
  Thompson. A lot of people have say Shafqat
• 1:10:58
  is going to be a champion in the world right division because of
• 1:11:01
  how talented he is. He is from a country called
• 1:11:03
  Kyrgyzstan. Uh, a lot of kickers.
• 1:11:07
  Tanya in our chats, always whenever he fights till you
• 1:11:10
  stand. By the way, he's the same
• 1:11:11
  country that no, no, no, no Valentina Shevchenko.
• 1:11:18
  Yeah, she's. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:21
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  Or is it from Cadiz, Kazakhstan? No, it's she's from Kyrgyzstan.
• 1:11:28
  And yeah, so I think, I think Chef Cards, this will be his
• 1:11:35
  biggest test. If he decides to grapple, then
• 1:11:39
  it wouldn't be nice for Steven Thompson.
• 1:11:41
  Steven Thompson always struggles with wrestlers, but if it's pure
• 1:11:45
  striking, still put him out. But I think Shafqat smart enough
• 1:11:48
  to take it down. So I think Shafqat takes this
• 1:11:50
  one. Next is flyweight title fight
• 1:11:53
  Alexandra Pantoja versus Brandon Ruba.
• 1:11:58
  Pantoja is Brazilian DOJA. All right, Brandon Rival.
• 1:12:09
  I don't know. I don't know how to call.
• 1:12:11
  This fight is very right in the middle for me and when it's hard
• 1:12:15
  to call, I'll just give the champion edge a I just give the
• 1:12:19
  Champions edge the the, the, the odd.
• 1:12:22
  I think. I think Pantoja wins next the
• 1:12:27
  main event. Leon Edwards versus Colby.
• 1:12:28
  Covington's not a fan of Leon Edwards for obvious reasons.
• 1:12:33
  Not a fan of Kobe Covington for obvious reasons.
• 1:12:35
  But when it comes to the two of them and more, I would rather
• 1:12:39
  have someone annoy me and entertain me than someone annoy
• 1:12:43
  me and not entertain me. So in in that sense, I'm leaning
• 1:12:47
  towards Kobe Covington. But I think Leon is too much for
• 1:12:49
  him. I think Kobe isn't tested
• 1:12:51
  enough. He has been off.
• 1:12:53
  He hasn't been fighting for a long time.
• 1:12:55
  That doesn't. I don't.
• 1:12:56
  I'm not questioning his will to fight and all that, but I think
• 1:12:59
  Kobe might get Leon is going to get done.
• 1:13:02
  So Leon wins this one. Interesting.
• 1:13:06
  OK, quick one. As a social As a social media
• 1:13:09
  manager and strategist, right. So what are the little tips you
• 1:13:12
  would give startup businesses for handling social media in
• 1:13:17
  order to succeed? Consistency, consistency,
• 1:13:20
  consistency. And don't be afraid to go and
• 1:13:23
  copy what other people are doing that is working for them.
• 1:13:26
  If you go to another page and see this is what they are doing,
• 1:13:29
  you can copy it. There is no memo.
• 1:13:32
  There's no menu on how to handle social media anyway you do.
• 1:13:35
  If it's working, then it's fine. You can go and pick what
• 1:13:38
  somebody is doing and don't forget to be looking at your
• 1:13:40
  stats. It's very, very important.
• 1:13:43
  See the time that people are watching or the times that when
• 1:13:46
  you post you get more eyes. Those things are very important.
• 1:13:50
  Little little details like that. And when you see something works
• 1:13:53
  for you, try that thing again. Try again, try again, try again
• 1:13:58
  and again. Don't be afraid to copy other
• 1:13:59
  people. Interesting.
• 1:14:02
  So start up business orders, you heard that from Jubilee menu,
• 1:14:06
  OK. So if you were to develop a new
• 1:14:07
  business, right, what are the basic steps you will take to
• 1:14:10
  achieve a successful one? Umm, first of all, I think you
• 1:14:16
  have to be passionate about it, right?
• 1:14:19
  For example, you cannot come and say, ah, I think photography is
• 1:14:24
  a good business. I want to start photography, but
• 1:14:27
  you're not passionate about it. How do you think you're going to
• 1:14:30
  go and learn and do it? You're just going to end up
• 1:14:33
  hating it even though if even if it becomes successful.
• 1:14:36
  So that thing that you want to do, live and breathe it.
• 1:14:40
  Make sure that the thing the in the forehead of your head, like
• 1:14:45
  everything you're doing when if you know that it's your thing
• 1:14:48
  when you go on YouTube and use, you refresh your homepage on
• 1:14:51
  YouTube and you see that the YouTube algorithm is always
• 1:14:53
  recommending things according to things that are in relation to
• 1:14:58
  that business. That means that you are actually
• 1:14:59
  doing a good job. That the algorithm is is a is
• 1:15:03
  recognising that. So yeah, make sure you are very,
• 1:15:08
  very passionate about it And again, don't.
• 1:15:12
  Sorry, what's the question again?
• 1:15:14
  What are the steps you recommend right to achieve success in
• 1:15:21
  business? Yeah.
• 1:15:22
  So, yes, steps. First of all, I told you this is
• 1:15:26
  not a step. It's just something that we
• 1:15:28
  would use to fuel doing whatever business this is guys.
• 1:15:33
  You have to be passionate about it and then next again, don't be
• 1:15:37
  afraid to copy. So basically what you have to do
• 1:15:40
  now is you are going to go and do research.
• 1:15:43
  Research people in that field, what people are doing.
• 1:15:45
  Even if you see that that thing is not happening in Nigeria, go
• 1:15:49
  and look at the ones that Americans are doing.
• 1:15:51
  Go and look at the one that the British people are doing.
• 1:15:53
  You understand. For example, you want to open a
• 1:15:57
  podcast studio in Abuja. All right.
• 1:16:03
  There's no podcast studio in Abuja.
• 1:16:06
  OK, So what you do is go online. Go find Podcast Studio in
• 1:16:13
  London. Go find Podcast Studio in San
• 1:16:15
  Francisco. Go and look within the they do.
• 1:16:18
  Enter their website, look at the services that they provide.
• 1:16:22
  Look at the cost of the services that they provide.
• 1:16:24
  Look at the things that they have.
• 1:16:27
  Then you go and look at the start researching the
• 1:16:29
  instruments that you use, the tools, the finances and all
• 1:16:32
  that. So again, don't be afraid to
• 1:16:35
  copy. Go and always study people that
• 1:16:38
  are already in that line of business and consistency is key
• 1:16:42
  or lie. If you are consistent with it
• 1:16:46
  and you are doing it smartly, you are doing it right.
• 1:16:49
  Smartly. You, you, you will, you will
• 1:16:51
  succeed in Shallah. Thank you very much, Sir.
• 1:16:56
  So what is the best documentary you have created thus far?
• 1:16:59
  And, you know, tell us a little bit about it.
• 1:17:03
  The best documentary I've made has not been seen by anybody, so
• 1:17:09
  those founding. Lost twice the keyword.
• 1:17:13
  It's not going. I don't think anybody will see
• 1:17:15
  it, to be honest. I've already grown past it, So
• 1:17:17
  what it's about is umm in 20, 2018 OK?
• 1:17:27
  I think when I came back to do my NYC, the Sokoto state
• 1:17:31
  government, where no, no, not just talked to state government,
• 1:17:35
  it's Fadama. So there's this agency in
• 1:17:39
  agriculture in Nigeria that was meant to hand out a loan to
• 1:17:44
  farmers. So they'll give you money loan
• 1:17:46
  and then they will give you equipment.
• 1:17:49
  So the farmers are like rice farmers, right?
• 1:17:51
  So they'll give you electric generator to pump water, the
• 1:17:56
  irrigation system that will give you fertilisers and then they
• 1:18:00
  will give you seeds as well to plant.
• 1:18:02
  The only thing you have to do is show them a plot of land and say
• 1:18:06
  this is my farm and you're going to do, they'll give you this
• 1:18:09
  tools and they will give you also money to help you do that.
• 1:18:13
  The only thing you have to do is when you harvest, a percentage
• 1:18:16
  of the harvest is going to be taken by the government and then
• 1:18:20
  you're going to sell or use the other percentage that you get,
• 1:18:23
  you get from it. So that's the system, that's
• 1:18:25
  where it's supposed to be. But then every state we're doing
• 1:18:28
  it fine. But when you go to our state,
• 1:18:31
  the government decided to scam the farmers by the connived with
• 1:18:35
  the banks. Where the banks would send
• 1:18:38
  transaction alerts to the debit, they will send transaction
• 1:18:42
  alerts to the farmers and then and then take the money back.
• 1:18:48
  Do you understand? They will get your credit alert
• 1:18:50
  and then the bank would debit the money.
• 1:18:54
  So farmers were seeing that. So my dad, after he retired from
• 1:18:59
  the Air Force, he was also, he's also into farming.
• 1:19:01
  So he also had that situation, but then so when I met him, he
• 1:19:08
  was like, ohh, he's not going to let this rest.
• 1:19:10
  So he sent letters to the CBN to the bank.
• 1:19:15
  I think it was unity bank or I can't remember, I don't know,
• 1:19:18
  FCMB can't remember what bank exactly, don't want to.
• 1:19:21
  So in Sokoto. So he sent letters to them to
• 1:19:24
  hear their part like why would you send money to people and
• 1:19:28
  then take it away. So I compiled all those
• 1:19:31
  evidences of their responses and then I went and I interviewed
• 1:19:35
  some farmers regarding the situation and to hear from them
• 1:19:41
  what happened with the money. So I did that.
• 1:19:45
  I did some voiceover. I did everything.
• 1:19:48
  Maybe they made a very compelling documentary.
• 1:19:50
  If you watch it, it was very nice.
• 1:19:52
  That's like my that's the one that I was like.
• 1:19:54
  I also interviewed my dad. My dad was also in the
• 1:19:56
  documentary, so when I finish the documentary.
• 1:20:02
  I went to China and I swear I was.
• 1:20:07
  I wanted to go give it to CCTV. CCTV is like the Chinese news
• 1:20:12
  broadcasting, but they don't want to carry propaganda because
• 1:20:15
  they in their head is propaganda.
• 1:20:19
  The other choice I had was just to upload it and just make it
• 1:20:23
  public. It's like, you know what?
• 1:20:26
  My dad at that point was doing all right for himself.
• 1:20:29
  It's like, ohh, I just keep this thing.
• 1:20:33
  I haven't really. I haven't really looked at it
• 1:20:35
  since then, but regarding documentary, that is my best
• 1:20:39
  piece so far I think if I watch it again.
• 1:20:42
  They're personal. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:44
  So that's where. I would want to edit it again.
• 1:20:47
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's very, very unfair what
• 1:20:50
  the government and people are going back home.
• 1:20:53
  It's very, very unfair, very, very unfair.
• 1:20:55
  So, like, you know, when the COVID palliative thing happened.
• 1:21:00
  Hmm. I wasn't.
• 1:21:02
  I was. I was.
• 1:21:04
  I wasn't surprised because that's exactly what they did to
• 1:21:07
  farmers, just local farmers. They will not give them what
• 1:21:10
  they say they are going to give them.
• 1:21:13
  It's it's, it's sad one. Yeah.
• 1:21:16
  So that was the type of that was that.
• 1:21:17
  That was the type of documentary filmmaking that was really,
• 1:21:20
  really passionate. And like, I wanted to be telling
• 1:21:22
  real stories. I didn't want to be making
• 1:21:24
  movies, yes, I didn't want to be making movies.
• 1:21:27
  But it's dangerous to do that in Nigeria because if you are a
• 1:21:31
  whistleblower like that, they'll come for your life and the.
• 1:21:34
  Love is he. I think something similar is
• 1:21:38
  happening with this guy, David Kundang, with the way he exposes
• 1:21:43
  people in government. I think that guy is at risk.
• 1:21:47
  It's a very, very big risk, but I wish you all the best.
• 1:21:52
  OK? What's that one thing you feel
• 1:21:54
  like? Africans would do?
• 1:21:56
  Really great arts internationally if they ventured
• 1:21:59
  more into it. You know, I think this is the
• 1:22:08
  whole topic I don't want to get into because it hurts me when I
• 1:22:12
  see this. It hurts me when I see this.
• 1:22:15
  No, no. Are we talking about what we
• 1:22:18
  could be? Good.
• 1:22:19
  Because me, I'm. I'm, I'm not.
• 1:22:20
  I'm not looking at it from an African point of view.
• 1:22:22
  I'm looking at it from a Nigerian point of view.
• 1:22:24
  So yeah, so I'm passionate about, I'm.
• 1:22:28
  I'm passionate about sports, I'm passionate about football,
• 1:22:30
  soccer to America. And we all know the bunch of
• 1:22:35
  talents that come from Nigeria. So it hurts my soul when I see
• 1:22:40
  the state of our local leagues, when I see the conditions that
• 1:22:44
  players playing. And when I see the money that we
• 1:22:48
  are missing, that we are losing in sports just because of some
• 1:22:52
  greedy bastards in government that would not use money
• 1:22:57
  properly to get the sports attracted for people to watch,
• 1:23:01
  we understand that. We understand that any player,
• 1:23:04
  football, the biggest place of football is out here in the UK
• 1:23:07
  and Europe. But regardless, Brazil, their
• 1:23:11
  local league in Brazil is crazy good.
• 1:23:13
  It's generating a lot of revenue.
• 1:23:15
  But Nigeria, we cannot generate revenue because people are being
• 1:23:19
  greedy. It's very, very annoying.
• 1:23:21
  I don't want to get into it, but it hurts me a lot when I see it.
• 1:23:26
  One thing that pains me the most is like basketball.
• 1:23:31
  There's a lot. There's this thing called MBF
• 1:23:33
  that's Nigerian Basketball Federation.
• 1:23:35
  It's super super, super corrupt. Like do you know that for the
• 1:23:42
  past five years before now the the league basketball league
• 1:23:47
  wasn't going on in Nigeria because they've created factions
• 1:23:50
  and they were in court. This guy says the president of
• 1:23:52
  basketball. This guy says the president of
• 1:23:54
  basketball now the league cannot function cause fever.
• 1:23:56
  Suspended them we have. Nigeria has the most talent of
• 1:24:01
  basketballers in the NBA, but all these NBA players and
• 1:24:05
  Nigerians based in the US that means that we have it in our
• 1:24:08
  DNA. We can do it, but we cannot.
• 1:24:11
  I don't want to start talking about basketball because the
• 1:24:13
  most popular sports in Nigeria is football and they cannot get
• 1:24:16
  that correct. Well, why would they get
• 1:24:18
  basketball correct So. So they cannot get football
• 1:24:22
  correct. It's it's sports, bro.
• 1:24:27
  If sports is being invested, if we invest in sports, we are
• 1:24:30
  going to generate a lot of money in Nigeria and in Africa as
• 1:24:35
  well. But yeah, there's a lot of
• 1:24:38
  talent out there that needs that.
• 1:24:39
  That is just wasting bro. I I really hope, I'm hopeful
• 1:24:44
  that we do get it right someday, because it will protect us, you
• 1:24:48
  know? The bastards.
• 1:24:51
  There, there's a lot of potential in that hope we get.
• 1:24:54
  And of course, you know, we can empower people unless we empower
• 1:24:58
  ourselves. So we're still on that journey
• 1:24:59
  of empowering itself so that you know we can empower people back
• 1:25:02
  home. We hope for great things
• 1:25:05
  anyways. So how do you actually balance
• 1:25:08
  your numerous careers with your personal and your family?
• 1:25:11
  Life, right? How How do you achieve that work
• 1:25:14
  life? Sorry.
• 1:25:16
  Can you ask the question again? So how, how do you achieve work
• 1:25:20
  life balance, you know, balancing family commitments,
• 1:25:22
  you know, with your numerous endeavours?
• 1:25:25
  I I still haven't balanced it. I still.
• 1:25:28
  I still have. The balance you figure it.
• 1:25:33
  Out we just we're just taking it one step at a time man.
• 1:25:37
  Cause like recently at work, because I obviously have to
• 1:25:40
  work, I work in in it. The that in during the pandemic
• 1:25:47
  we're working for. We're working from home and now
• 1:25:49
  they are mandating us to come into the office three times a
• 1:25:51
  week which has scattered everything for me.
• 1:25:55
  But I swear I don't have a correct answer because I'm still
• 1:26:01
  learning to get this work life balance situation sorted out.
• 1:26:05
  I'm still a mess every see every weekend.
• 1:26:09
  Like it's really hard for me to meet my friends now because like
• 1:26:12
  every weekend coming I already have something to do you
• 1:26:14
  understand? So when there's when there's an
• 1:26:16
  empty slot when I'm sitting down not doing anything like I have
• 1:26:19
  to do something has to be something to be done.
• 1:26:21
  Because when you go to the office it takes forever to get
• 1:26:24
  done. Then you've got a family, and
• 1:26:25
  then it's it's crazy. And then you've got this hobby
• 1:26:29
  and then this African fighters and then all the other things
• 1:26:32
  you do. It's it's not easy.
• 1:26:34
  It's not easy. You, you, you have a PA.
• 1:26:36
  It's working out for you, Abby. Yeah, you know, segregation of
• 1:26:41
  duties, delegation of duties. You know, sometimes you just
• 1:26:44
  need to realise that there are certain things that you spend a
• 1:26:49
  lot of time doing, ordinary right.
• 1:26:51
  You can train somebody to get those things done right.
• 1:26:55
  And of course you're empowering another person and you're still
• 1:26:59
  building them up as well. So that's something I I learned
• 1:27:03
  from my profession. You know, I'm an auditor in into
• 1:27:08
  finance. So a lot of times in finance,
• 1:27:10
  right as you grow up of the chain in in your workplace, a
• 1:27:16
  lot of less technical duties are being delegated to your less
• 1:27:22
  experienced team members. And having those people do those
• 1:27:25
  things actually helps them build their own skill sets and their
• 1:27:27
  competences and also helps, you know, achieve efficiency.
• 1:27:33
  So I think that that's something to be considered that, you know,
• 1:27:37
  something that can help, you know, it's a win, win for
• 1:27:39
  everybody. So enemy, right?
• 1:27:44
  Like, what are your hobbies and interests?
• 1:27:48
  Yeah, we we know you're heavily invested in sports, right?
• 1:27:52
  So then what other hobbies and interests that you have?
• 1:27:55
  Some some hobbies I don't get to do anymore because when drones
• 1:27:59
  came out I was a very very big throne nerd crashed more drones
• 1:28:03
  that I can't remember. Actually I can't remember.
• 1:28:04
  I only crashed 2 drones like I was always like buying the new
• 1:28:11
  tech that come, the new drone that comes out because I was
• 1:28:14
  into those things. But moving here, I don't have
• 1:28:18
  time for that anymore. If you want to fly a drone here,
• 1:28:22
  everywhere is near no fly zone, so you can, so you can't.
• 1:28:26
  But like, that was something I really, really enjoyed doing.
• 1:28:29
  I really, really enjoyed taking candid pictures, going to
• 1:28:32
  events. When I was in uni I was getting
• 1:28:34
  paid to do that and I really, really loved it.
• 1:28:36
  I don't like taking pictures of, like people posing.
• 1:28:39
  I like taking candid pictures of people in events when they don't
• 1:28:42
  know I'll just be in one corner, put my zoom lens, I'll be taking
• 1:28:45
  pictures of people. I love, love doing that.
• 1:28:48
  I don't know. I don't know how to go about
• 1:28:50
  about it here because this country, everybody is entering
• 1:28:54
  my private life for private security.
• 1:28:56
  So I don't. Want to?
• 1:28:59
  Yeah, I don't want that drama. I don't want that drama.
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  So that hobby cannot work. But like somewhere else, like in
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  Nigeria or in China, you can just go around and be taking
• 1:29:07
  pictures of people they don't mind.
• 1:29:09
  Well here. So that was something I like
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  doing that I can't that I can't do.
• 1:29:16
  Interesting. So so what's your advice for the
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  younger generation in order for them to achieve success in life
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  or it's what's your be a big? Don't be too quick.
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  Don't be too quick, guys. Don't be too quick.
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  Don't be everybody. Nobody say you must make money.
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  Now, now, now, now, now. Calm down.
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  That's the advice. Because if you are too quick,
• 1:29:37
  you end up doing Yahoo or doing cultism or doing something
• 1:29:40
  foolish. So don't be too quick.
• 1:29:44
  Patience, patience and just work hard, man.
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  OK, interesting. OK.
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  So finally we get to the question from the previous
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  guest, the traditional. So question from the previous
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  guest, what attributes do you think is more important in terms
• 1:30:00
  of self defence, skill or? Strength.
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  Yeah, that is it what I'm asking you.
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  I'm asking. That's why you sex dropped into
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  a you know. Me ohh yeah ohh yeah questions.
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  So what attribute do you think is more important in terms of
• 1:30:20
  self defence, skill or strength? I think self defence.
• 1:30:27
  I think Masque not strain, cause strength.
• 1:30:31
  We've seen it so many many times.
• 1:30:33
  People that are skillful always. David will always be Goliath, so
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  I think it's skill. I'm not, I'm not skilled at all.
• 1:30:40
  I have zero skill. I don't know how to throw a
• 1:30:42
  right hook. So so.
• 1:30:45
  All of the videos here Lifetime. I see those.
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  Cute. Ohh God, you yourself, you
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  yourself. Can you do a Roundhouse kick?
• 1:30:55
  I'm skilled. I'm skilled, bro.
• 1:30:58
  I do I training. Ohh, you do your training now,
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  don't wait it on top. Don't worry, I signed up to the
• 1:31:08
  CPI. Ohh, yeah.
• 1:31:10
  Ohh, yeah. Ohh, yeah, yeah, I And they go
• 1:31:13
  with skill, man. And they go with skill.
• 1:31:15
  Yeah. And what question would you
• 1:31:17
  leave for the next guest? Who is the next guest?
• 1:31:21
  Not determined yet, OK. Alright, so question for the
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  next guest. Hmm.
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  OK. You want to make something deep.
• 1:31:37
  There's no deep, it's just an entertaining question, like an
• 1:31:41
  ice breaker situation. So I was I saw a tweet recently
• 1:31:49
  where someone is talking about every vampire movie.
• 1:31:55
  All the vampires have been in alive for like 100 or 200 years
• 1:32:00
  are always rich and someone was like if you spend 200 years in
• 1:32:04
  this world you if you are not, if you are not rich then you you
• 1:32:08
  got something wrong right? But then my question is, if you
• 1:32:15
  are granted he will not be, you will not age like a vampire 200
• 1:32:21
  years. What is it that you will do that
• 1:32:24
  will make you successful, that will make you rich?
• 1:32:26
  What will you do? They'll make you rich right now.
• 1:32:30
  Right now they've confirmed to you, Demola, 200 years you will
• 1:32:34
  do in this life like this as a young boy.
• 1:32:39
  What is it that you will do that will make you rich in your 100?
• 1:32:46
  Yeah, 100 OHH, you don't want to get reaching in year one, year
• 1:32:50
  two, year 3. You know, but what is it that
• 1:32:53
  you will do that you be like mega mega rich that you see in
• 1:32:57
  the movies the vampires are because like like like like in
• 1:33:01
  the past, no, but like in the past, in the past now.
• 1:33:06
  Now money is online. Go in the past they could just
• 1:33:09
  go and be robbing people. People with.
• 1:33:11
  They carry their goals, they come, they go collect and gather
• 1:33:14
  and then they have fortune. But now, how are you going to
• 1:33:18
  make money? Let's assume you even have the
• 1:33:22
  power itself, the vampire power. How you could make the money?
• 1:33:26
  How do I make? You go hold pressing for Nextel
• 1:33:28
  and say transfer money to me. No, I don't have to commit crime
• 1:33:32
  to make the money right. So how would you, how would you
• 1:33:36
  make money? So that is my question to your
• 1:33:38
  next guest. You've been granted immunity 200
• 1:33:40
  years in this life. How will you make money?
• 1:33:42
  How will you be filthy rich at your 100?
• 1:33:46
  Interesting, interesting. The the next guest has their
• 1:33:49
  work cut out for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:52
  Wow. Well, thank you very much.
• 1:33:54
  Jibril Aminu, it's been, it's been a great time chatting with
• 1:33:59
  you. It's been a great conversation.
• 1:34:02
  Thank you very much for your time.
• 1:34:04
  Wishing you the very, very best in all of your future
• 1:34:06
  endeavours. God bless you, my brother.
• 1:34:10
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• 1:34:11
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• 1:34:14
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• 1:34:29
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