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Ep. 86 She Got Off the Bus... Then She Vanished | The Alexandria Lowitzer Case · Weeknight Mysteries Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Weeknight Mysteries podcast. My name is Yuras.
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  Speaker 1: I am here with my co-host Rain. How are you today, Rain?
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  Speaker 1: And hi to our listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everyone. And as always, pretty good. How are you today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good. Today we have... Oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: from the podcast and from the topics that we talk about.
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  Speaker 1: So today we have a topic that has been suggested
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  Speaker 1: to one of our listeners, uh, And that person would
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  Speaker 1: be at Joe1994. So thank you very much at Joe1994
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  Speaker 1: for leading us to the case of Alexandria Lovitzer. Alexandria Lovitzer,
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  Speaker 1: otherwise known as Allie by her family and friends, has
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  Speaker 1: been missing since 2010. Her disappearance is very strange. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to lie to you guys because it looks
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  Speaker 1: like it was a regular Monday, school Monday, for this
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  Speaker 1: sophomore teenage girl from Texas. She hopped off a bus.
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  Speaker 1: She told her mom that she was going to go
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  Speaker 1: pick up a paycheck from her recent new job at
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  Speaker 1: a burger joint. in Spring, Texas. Spring is a small
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  Speaker 1: town in the, I would say, greater Houston area, and
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  Speaker 1: she was living there, and she was working there as
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  Speaker 1: well in this burger joint, which was pretty close to
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  Speaker 1: her home. Now, the problem is that it doesn't seem
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  Speaker 1: that she went to this burger joint. From the information
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  Speaker 1: that we have, at least I've seen some suspicion being,
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  Speaker 1: you know, dropped here and there about like the manager
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  Speaker 1: at the burger joint personally didn't run into this information
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  Speaker 1: maybe we will have some time to verify on the
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  Speaker 1: podcast i'm not sure but looks like she didn't make
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  Speaker 1: it to the burger joint something happened and ali has
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  Speaker 1: been missing since 2010 that is around like 16 years
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  Speaker 1: at this point if ali is alive she would be
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  Speaker 1: around 32 years of age at this point Last thing
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  Speaker 1: before we kind of go over the case details, I
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  Speaker 1: noticed that Ali's mother, Joanne Lavitzer, she still is actively
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  Speaker 1: trying to find her daughter. I think she's looking for her,
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  Speaker 1: even if she thinks that there could be a chance
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  Speaker 1: that Ali is no longer alive. I think she's still
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  Speaker 1: holding out hope and trying to potentially locate Ali. Allie,
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  Speaker 1: maybe there's a chance she could still be alive. And
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  Speaker 1: I did see her in a lot of... I've seen
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  Speaker 1: her in the Reddit comments. I've seen her on the
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  Speaker 1: web sleuth thread commenting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been active. And I actually saw that she
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  Speaker 2: was in a couple of podcasts or maybe even more.
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  Speaker 2: And she's generally active in the Facebook page of Allie.
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  Speaker 1: That's a very good point. So basically a heads up
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  Speaker 1: why I'm saying this because I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is a higher chance than usual that a person
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  Speaker 1: connected to the victim from the topic that we talk
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  Speaker 1: about will most likely listen to this podcast or at
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  Speaker 1: least will become aware of it, you know. Because to
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  Speaker 1: be honest, Allie Lautzer, unfortunately, her case is not as
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  Speaker 1: commonly known reported on as other topics so i feel
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  Speaker 1: like once you know a new piece of content comes
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  Speaker 1: up of ali uh i think her mother probably gets
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  Speaker 1: somehow notified she maybe even has like alerts google alerts
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  Speaker 1: set up and stuff like that so um just a
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  Speaker 1: heads up uh you know if we.
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  Speaker 2: Make any mistakes whatsoever apologies in advance.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, man. I feel like we had only a
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  Speaker 1: certain amount of time here to prepare for the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: as always, and our information is very limited to what
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  Speaker 1: we can find online. I hope none of this is
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  Speaker 1: outdated information, and I hope that we could bring some
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  Speaker 1: sort of awareness to Ali Lauter's case. So thank you
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  Speaker 1: once again at Joe1994 for suggesting this case. Let's be
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  Speaker 1: real here, Rain. I don't think we would have ran
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  Speaker 1: into Ali's case without our listeners commenting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately not. It's one of those very... I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know how to describe it. It's like I have
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  Speaker 2: never heard of it and I've never seen it anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then again, there is actually a lot of
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  Speaker 1: content on her and I think this is maybe attributed
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  Speaker 1: to her mother. Because her mother looks like she's really
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  Speaker 1: pushing for answers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's actually very kind of her. I kind of
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  Speaker 2: stalked the Facebook page a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And in.
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  Speaker 2: Every post, most of her posts now these days are
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  Speaker 2: the missing people. Other missing people. Actually quite kind, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't even imagine how that would affect someone.
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  Speaker 1: you know, when your child just goes missing. I can't,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest, even imagine that.
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  Speaker 2: It forever changes you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. Okay, so I think with that out of
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  Speaker 1: the way, let's maybe go through the... Let's go through
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  Speaker 1: the information that I was able to find online. Once again,
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  Speaker 1: I just hope that everything here is as up-to-date as possible.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's no Wikipedia article about Ali's case. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like a Wikipedia article probably You know, from my perspective,
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  Speaker 1: someone who's like researching from, you know, like from online,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like if there's a Wikipedia, it immediately like
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  Speaker 1: makes the case more easy to understand sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: Because the true source of this whole story, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like when you type in Ali Lawitzer's name, you don't
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  Speaker 1: get the story. That's the problem. You don't get the story.
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  Speaker 1: Her story is maybe like in the second page of
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  Speaker 1: Google results or something like that. And I know like
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  Speaker 1: a Wikipedia always pops up first. And Wikipedia is very
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  Speaker 1: familiar to a lot of people. So I feel like
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  Speaker 1: somehow someone, if you could guys somehow organize... A Wikipedia
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  Speaker 1: for this case.
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  Speaker 2: Or we could organize.
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  Speaker 1: Somehow, yeah. To be honest, I have no idea how
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  Speaker 1: Wikipedia works. But we could maybe take a look into it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how it's possible to do it. But
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  Speaker 1: if there's a Wikipedia on this case, just my personal opinion,
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  Speaker 1: maybe if someone's looking up this case for the first
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  Speaker 1: time and they would see the full, like, story, like,
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  Speaker 1: the angles. Because, you know, when you Google Ali Lavater's case,
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  Speaker 1: what you will find is, like, I think an FBI
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  Speaker 1: page about, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: About a girl who has been missing since 2010.
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  Speaker 2: And then the Facebook group itself.
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  Speaker 1: Facebook group itself. But Facebook group is already when you're
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  Speaker 1: kind of advanced. You already know the details.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you click on it, it's like the
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  Speaker 2: information is already buried down there. Like the very first posts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. So I think for me, it always is helpful.
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  Speaker 1: you know, to have a whole overview before I even
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  Speaker 1: start analyzing anything or digging into stuff. With that being said,
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  Speaker 1: I think let's kind of jump into it. Let's jump
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  Speaker 1: into the case. So, Alexandria Lautzer, otherwise known as Allie
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  Speaker 1: by her friends and family, she was born on February 3rd, 1994,
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  Speaker 1: to parents Joanne and John Lautzer.
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  Speaker 2: Lautzer. Sounds German. German origin.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe even Jewish, actually. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: German Slavic origin?
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  Speaker 1: No, definitely not. Definitely not. I don't think it sounds
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  Speaker 1: Slavic at all.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds really German to me, though. Okay, anyway, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: To me, it sounded maybe more Jewish, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: She was the youngest of two children. She had the
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  Speaker 1: older half-brother, Mason. Mason. They all, him and Ali, they
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  Speaker 1: grew up in Spring, Texas, which is in the greater
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  Speaker 1: Houston area. It's just north of Houston. Ali's family was
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  Speaker 1: described as being close-knit, and Ali was 16 years old
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  Speaker 1: at the time of her disappearance. Her half-brother, Mason, was
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  Speaker 1: 18 at the time. Her parents were both workers at
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  Speaker 1: shipping logistics companies from what I can find online two
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  Speaker 1: years before her disappearance in 2008 her parents Joanne and
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  Speaker 1: John had separated the two kids stayed living with their
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  Speaker 1: mother Joanne And I've seen some source online mentioned that
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  Speaker 1: apparently Ali held anger towards her father about the separation. However,
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  Speaker 1: it was mentioned that John Lautzer was still a staple
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  Speaker 1: in the children's lives and that they were kind of
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  Speaker 1: working towards those, to resolve those issues. Once again, I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea how we could confirm any of this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just information that we found online.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Ali was interested in reading and art. She was hoping
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  Speaker 1: to pursue an art, uh, degree in college. She also
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  Speaker 1: sang in her school choir, choir, and, uh, she was
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  Speaker 1: a Girl Scout. Apparently, if I remember correctly, her mother, Joanne,
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  Speaker 1: was also a Girl Scout back in her day. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe this is where, um, you know, the connection to, to,
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  Speaker 1: to being a Girl Scout came from. And, um, She
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  Speaker 1: also was a member of the softball team during her
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  Speaker 1: early teenage years. At this point, at the time of
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  Speaker 1: her disappearance, she was a sophomore, which is, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: a second year student in spring high school. She was
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  Speaker 1: a very social person. She apparently had a large group
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  Speaker 1: of friends. She would frequently call and text them. So
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  Speaker 1: this was 2010.
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  Speaker 2: So....
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  Speaker 1: I think we're actually talking real text messages.
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  Speaker 2: Going up ahead in the story.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I read in one of the articles that there were
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  Speaker 2: like a thousand messages found on her phone. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know about the thousand messages on her phone.
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  Speaker 1: The information I found online was that she was actually
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  Speaker 1: texting up to like several thousand messages per month.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Several thousand.
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  Speaker 1: That's way more. Okay. Another thing I would like to
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  Speaker 1: mention here is that I believe her phone is not found.
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  Speaker 1: I believe she disappeared alongside her phone. And I think
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  Speaker 1: I also read something that I think they had a
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  Speaker 1: hard time trying to find or accessing the actual contents
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  Speaker 1: of those messages. I think from what I found online
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  Speaker 1: was that... They were able to establish the times and
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  Speaker 1: phone numbers to which the text messages were sent, which
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  Speaker 1: were later apparently all called again and investigated by the
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  Speaker 1: private investigator in the case. But they could not maybe
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  Speaker 1: get a hold of the contents of the text messages.
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  Speaker 1: But I could be wrong. That's what I've seen.
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  Speaker 2: I remember those times before social media, when people just
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  Speaker 2: text each other. And I don't know if it's the
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  Speaker 2: same to you, but like back in, I think back
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  Speaker 2: when I was in school, like earlier, no social media
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  Speaker 2: just yet. I remember there were children who were texting
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  Speaker 2: to all of their contacts whenever they get bored, right? Like,
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  Speaker 2: good morning, everyone. Hope everyone's having a nice day. Are
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  Speaker 2: you guys up for a chat? Something like that. And
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  Speaker 2: it's like sent to 25 people. Like a group?
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  Speaker 1: Like a group text, but like via SMS.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a group text. But then again, like someone
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  Speaker 2: would reply, but only to that person and they would
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  Speaker 2: have a text conversation.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the thing about it, I never really got
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  Speaker 1: into those back then. I didn't have, because I know
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of people here had a lot of, like
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  Speaker 1: they were text a lot because they would have a
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  Speaker 1: special cell phone, like a data provider that would Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as long as you use that provider, text
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  Speaker 1: messages are free. Yeah. So I had the other one. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my gosh. So basically no one would text me because
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  Speaker 1: they would spend, like, money to text me. And, you know, kids, like,
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  Speaker 1: don't have any money. And in general, like, they're sending
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of texts every day. So it's like.
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  Speaker 2: What if someone texts you?
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  Speaker 1: No one texts me. I was, like, literally on the
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  Speaker 1: other plan than all the other kids were on. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking now. And I don't really remember 2010 as
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  Speaker 1: a year personally anymore. What was I doing in 2010?
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  Speaker 1: I know how old I was, but I'm thinking in 2010,
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  Speaker 1: did we have like online messaging or was it still
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  Speaker 1: everything based on SMS?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was maybe just about to get online, right?
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  Speaker 2: And maybe there was already like, I don't know, Tumblr
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  Speaker 2: or like early Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: There should be, right? There should be. I'm thinking 2010,
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  Speaker 1: there should be already like.
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  Speaker 2: Like those, what is it called? Like MySpace?
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  Speaker 1: MySpace was already gone.
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  Speaker 2: Or Friendster?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe. But I think that maybe it was still awkward.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was still awkward.
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  Speaker 1: To text online.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's much better to do that old school text messaging. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a very interesting time, I would say,
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  Speaker 1: even though I don't remember much from those times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm just wondering, maybe Ali was also doing
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  Speaker 2: the same thing, you know, like texting to all of
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  Speaker 2: her friends. So they would just have a chat, then
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  Speaker 2: maybe five people would reply and she would reply to
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  Speaker 2: those five people back and forth. I mean, that would
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  Speaker 2: explain the couple of thousand messages per month.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would explain that. Um, so moving forward, uh,
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  Speaker 1: with the story, right? I know that she had a boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: Her boyfriend's name was DJ. Okay. So it was, uh,
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  Speaker 1: she had a boyfriend named DJ and apparently DJ lived
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  Speaker 1: somewhere in the neighborhood, I believe. That's my take on it. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: somewhere close. So now we have a couple of images
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  Speaker 1: here that I pulled up from, uh, from what I
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  Speaker 1: can see online from Ali. So, uh, I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily going to ask you to describe what Ally
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  Speaker 1: looks like to me. She looks like a regular teenager.
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  Speaker 1: She has some sort of a teenage style. It does
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  Speaker 1: look like she was more on the goth style at
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the time of her disappearance.
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  Speaker 2: Caucasian with dark hair. And I wonder if this blackish
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  Speaker 2: hair is a natural hair color. Probably not, because she
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  Speaker 2: has a picture with a lighter brown one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just looks like very dark hair, so most
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  Speaker 1: likely not the natural dark hair.
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  Speaker 2: But this would make her stand out, though. So, for example,
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  Speaker 2: you see her at the bus, you would notice it,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. This hair, not just hairstyle,
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  Speaker 1: but in general, the whole fashion here would make you
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  Speaker 1: stand out, I would say for sure. Okay. So let's
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what happened leading up to,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: you know, Ali's disappearance. So Ali went missing on April 26th, 2010.
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  Speaker 1: This was spring and this was a Monday. So it
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: was a school Monday and everything was supposed to go
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  Speaker 1: as planned. Apparently, the day actually started out regularly that
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  Speaker 1: day for the Lavitzer household. Ali left the house at
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: around 7 a.m. to catch the school bus, which was,
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  Speaker 1: I think, a regular situation for her. It doesn't look
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: like we have a lot of information what Ali was
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: doing at school that day, to be honest. But I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: didn't find anything during my research that something weird happened
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: at the school. How about you? Did you, like, run
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: into anything about that?
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: So from the looks of it, the school was just
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  Speaker 1: a regular school day. Yeah. From what we can see.
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  Speaker 1: So Ella was attending spring high school, but her residence,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I believe, was in Low Ridge Road in spring, which
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: is about seven miles away. So she would be taking
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the bus. I did the Google Maps, and apparently the
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: quickest route was So her school would be 13 minutes
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: by car or it would be 6.8 miles.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I would say it's not walkable.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's absolutely not walkable anymore?
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  Speaker 2: Especially for a teenager in the morning. It's not walkable
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  Speaker 2: for me in the morning.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's walkable for anyone. 6.8 miles every day. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was wondering if there might be a chance that
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: she took a walk towards school or something.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: She definitely, I think we even have maybe even proved
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  Speaker 1: that she went on the bus or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: So school ended somewhere around 2.30 p.m. that day. And
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  Speaker 1: she was riding the school bus back home. As she
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: was in the school bus, she called her mother. And
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: she asked her, like, this is a, this is a.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: i think point in the timeline where i felt like
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: maybe there could be more to the story that what
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: we were given maybe more maybe not because the way
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  Speaker 1: it's been like discussed online or something like that i've
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: seen like different maybe like a little bit of same
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  Speaker 1: story what happened on the bus, but like different variations.
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  Speaker 1: So what I'm talking about in particular is that as
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  Speaker 1: she's riding back home, I think she, at 2.30 p.m., she,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, calls her mother and she tells her at
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: first that she had forgotten her house key because her
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: mother is at work at this point. But she said,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: her mother said, Joanne told her that it's okay, your
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: brother Mason is still at home. Mason is still at home,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: so you could come back home and he's going to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: let you in.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So that makes sense, right? And then Allie later says
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  Speaker 1: she asks her mother if she could go to her
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: job location, which is a local burger joint called Burger Barn,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: which is now closed, but back in the day it
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: was still operating in Spring, Texas, to pick up her paycheck. Apparently,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: she had been working there recently. I've seen, I think,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: multiple periods of times, like the length of time that
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: she has been working there. I've seen a source mention
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that she had been working there for like three months
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: or something like that. And I've seen a source said
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that she was working there for a couple of weeks.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: So once again, we don't have like the clear information
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: for how long she has been working there. But apparently
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: long enough to have some sort of a paycheck accumulated.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm assuming it's like more than two weeks.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I would also say that it's probably more than two weeks.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: A month at least.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess let's establish that it's not like
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: years of working there. So she was going to go
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: pick up her paycheck. And Joanne, Ali's mother, at first
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: was very hesitant according to the information that we have online.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Because at that point, Ali had never walked from her
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: home to this burger joint. So, you know, the school
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: bus would drop her off, you know, close to her home.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And what she was asking her mother, she was asking, hey, mom,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: can I go pick up that paycheck at Burger Barn,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you know, burger joint? Her mom apparently was reluctant at first.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: But eventually she kind of told her, OK, you could go,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: but you have to like, you know, keep me informed
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: at all times where you're at. And what Ali also
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: told to her mother, according to information we have here,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: is that she also asked her if she could pick
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: up another shift, like, you know, so she would go
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to the burger place. she would not only collect her
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: paycheck that was sitting on the counter or something, she
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: would also try to get another shift in. So it
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: looked like she was, by the sound of it, very productive.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I was doing none of these things at 16.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. At 16, I was just like laying on
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the bed and reading a book and talking to my
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: friends or something.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Like I... I didn't start doing any kind
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: of work until way later than what Ali was already doing.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: So that's impressive in my opinion. So how that whole
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: conversation has been described on some other sources is a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: bit strange to me because some other sources said that
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: there was some sort of an argument. So I'm not
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: really sure exactly how dramatic that conversation at the bus
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: was that's what what i said that like i don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: know like exactly how everything went down because i saw
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: some variations of this phone call conversation and uh i
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: would say at this point to me it's a little
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: bit unclear how dramatic that conversation was uh but you
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: know we can we can't really well we can't speculate
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: but we don't know for sure to be honest, and
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I guess only Joanne at this point could tell us
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: how dramatic it was. I didn't really see her mention
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it too much online. Everything that I've seen her on,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: like a couple of podcasts, I don't think she specifically
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: goes into how dramatic that was. I think she just
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: said that, if I remember correctly, that she asked to
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: go to the job, pick up her paycheck. She was reluctant,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: but she gave in eventually. Um, so that is what
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: we have here. Uh, I pulled up some map, some maps,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: like where low Ridge road is and where the burger
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: barn was located. So I have some maps here. Um,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: we could see that, uh, and I'll be showing this
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: on the YouTube channel, the map stuff. So we could
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: see that the low Ridge road.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: That is where Ali was living at that time. No.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, that that's true. So she was living somewhere on
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the Low Ridge Road, which is a suburban street. And
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: her job, the burger barn, was already a little bit
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: out of the suburbs on the more busy street.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: But it's quite close. It's walkable.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: It's definitely walkable. It's only around a mile. And it's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: only around maybe like 17 to 20 minutes of walking distance.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: From her home. Mm-hmm. So if you could imagine the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: distance that Ali would be walking, she would be walking
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: through these, like, suburban kind of, like, streets.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So it's generally, the environment was generally peaceful. Let's put
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: it this way.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it looks, like, peaceful.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Like, just suburban neighborhoods, and then at the very end
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: of it, a little bit of a busier area.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Like, that's how it looks to me. It looks generally peaceful. Mm-hmm.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: It just looks like there's a busier area at the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: end of it. So what happened next is that Joanne
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: later returned home from work at 5.30 p.m. and she
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: found that Ali was not home. So at this point,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I think she expected Ali to have returned already, but
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: she maybe thought that she was able to pick up
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a work shift and that Ali just had forgotten to
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: tell her about it. And therefore, Joanne didn't think much
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of it at first, and she just simply texted her
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: daughter and asked when she was going to go back
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: home or if she needed to be picked up from
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: her burger joint place. However, after four and a half
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: hours later at 9 p.m., Joanne had still not received
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a response yet, from her daughter, Ali. So she drove
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to the burger bar and joined, and she found out
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that the restaurant was already closed. Well, I think she
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: knew that it was around closing hours, but I think
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: specifically for this particular Monday, I think I've seen something
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: mentioned that maybe the burger joint closed a bit earlier
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: than usual, which is not necessarily suspicious, because that does
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: happen if you have low customer traffic. But that's the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: information I had. So at this point, she knew that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: something was wrong and she called her ex-husband, John, who
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: told her not to worry at first because John believed
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: that Allie was probably at a friend's house and just
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: forgot to tell them about it. However, upon contacting Allie's
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: close friends and going to DJ's house, they even drove
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to DJ's house, the boyfriend's house, Joanne learned that no
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: one had seen Ali that day, I guess after she
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: hopped off the school bus. And I believe that by
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: 11 p.m. they called police and they reported their daughter
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: as a missing child. So Joanne had commented on the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: fact that she is not happy with police work in
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: her daughter's disappearance case. At first, Joanne reported that, you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: her daughter is missing now. When police arrived, I think
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: police arrived around midnight, and they immediately apparently wrote, you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the case off as a runaway. And police told Joanne that,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you know, give us a call in the morning when
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: your daughter comes back, or, like, give us an update
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: if she's still missing. So this made the family... very
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: anxious because now police were effectively not investigating it. They
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: were assuming that she would just return back home.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: This is so frustrating because it's like precious hours have
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: gone by. If only maybe the police investigated immediately, we
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: would have had like maybe more information.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And this is a story that we've seen before.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like written off as a runaway or like investigated
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: a bit later.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I do understand that a lot of these cases,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you know, probably do end up being like... Just a runaway.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: That comes back. i would say most of them right
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: from the statistics it does seem that they come back
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: but um i wonder how do you mitigate this when
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: when someone really needs that attention from police that's true
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: because it looks like in this case uh ali definitely
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: needed that immediate attention which unfortunately she did not receive
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: from the from the police law enforcement. So throughout that
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: whole night, Ali's 18-year-old half-brother Mason had rounded up some
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of his friends, and they were apparently trying to look
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: for Ali in the neighborhood. Joanne apparently stayed up all
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: night hoping that her daughter would return. However, at 5 a.m.,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: she had not yet returned, so she called John to
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: tell him that Ali was still missing. When the next
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: morning came at 9 a.m., Joanne once again called the police,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and police told Joanne the same thing, that Ali was
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: probably just a runaway. This is a theory that, you know,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the fact that Ali would just run away is a
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: theory that the family had disputed heavily, and I've seen
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Joanne even commenting, I believe, on Facebook, That there's no
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: way that Ali could have ran away.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: There's no reason, right?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Apparently, there's no reason. And apparently, Ali did not have
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a history of running away. She never ran away. I
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: believe that's the information we have.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's always a first time for everything. But
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: in this case, it seems like it's not.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she apparently also left. Her makeup behind
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: her money, her phone charger, which would be things that
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you would think a runaway child would take.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Also a backpack and, I don't know, an extra pair
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: of clothing.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like money and phone charger are like kind
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: of essential.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. Especially for someone who is texting quite a
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: lot like Allie.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Also, yeah, that's a good point. And another thing. Another
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: thing that would make us think that she probably wouldn't
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: want to run away is the fact that her paycheck
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: at the burger place was never collected. Let's say she
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: talks to her mother on the phone. She tells her,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: you know, oh, they have an argument. Now she wants
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: to run away.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Or she just wants to run away in general.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or she just wants to run away in general.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I could see how she would do it, though. So,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: for example, she would tell her mom, I'm going to
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the burger place. I'm going to pick up my salary,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: my paycheck, and then I'm also going to work another shift.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: That part, like I'm going to try to pick up
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: another shift, could be a cover-up. Like she might have
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: been going somewhere else.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: But then again, it does not make sense because she
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: did not bring her phone charger with her.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she did not bring her phone charger with her. Also,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: she didn't leave the paycheck. She left the paycheck at
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the burger spot. doesn't make sense you know she's gonna
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: start to start a new life um and and i
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: guess i guess another thing i would like to mention
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: is that hallie you know she already had a job
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: at 16 so she was already more independent than i
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: was at that age same so i i can't really
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: think of like um I can't really say, like, would
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: she be in the mindset of thinking that she could
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: really run away and start her life? Because I don't know.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I wasn't, you know, at 16, I wasn't able to
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: do nothing. So I don't really know.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, if she would run away, I
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: don't know, I'm trying to put myself in her shoes. If,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: for example, I had this thought of like, okay, I'm
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: going to run away for a bit. I'm going to
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: take my phone charger, especially if I'm sending so many
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: texts in a month. I am going to take Maybe
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: my makeup.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Just like a very quick runaway, not like a couple
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: of days sting. So I'm not going to bring extra clothes.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely going to grab my paycheck and even going
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: to go to my boyfriend.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm also thinking like, for me, what's jumping
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: out in this case a little bit is the, I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: wonder how, what exactly the conversation was between you Ali
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and her mother, because to me personally, it seems like
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that conversation in the bus, and I've seen an art
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and a source mentioned that there was an argument. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: wonder how dramatic that was.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's dramatic at all. It just seems like,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: at least from the information we have, it just seems
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: like it was a conversation between a worried mom and
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: a kid who just wants to pick up her paycheck.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be just as simple as that. Could
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: be just as simple as that.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: But I wonder why Ali's mom was worried about her
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: walking all alone in the first place. Like, is there
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: something going on in that neighborhood?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: That's such a good point. That is such a good point.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: And I also have that same thought a little bit
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: that to me personally, it seems that the and I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: have images and we could take a look in the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: images later. of the neighborhood, I kind of took Google
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Street View pictures from 2011. So, you know, really close
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to the time. I really don't think the street was
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: any different in 2011 as opposed to 2010 when Ali disappeared. So,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to me, it looks like a very perfectly.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Safe American typical suburban neighborhood.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: American suburban neighborhood, perfectly safe and To be honest, the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: walking distance was just a mile. I feel like at 16,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I would be able to walk way more personally.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at 16, I think I was going to the
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: mall alone.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right? Like at 16, you already were... I remember
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: we were doing.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Stuff on our own, yeah.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Stuff on our own.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: 12 is a bit too early.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: No, 12 is absolutely too early.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: But 16 should be okay.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I think even 14 is a bit like.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, a bit.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Borderline at 16 16 it feels like it's already a
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: good time to be doing this with a job with
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: a job but I'm also thinking this I'm also thinking
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: that is there a chance that this could be like
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: an American culture thing of them not walking Americans not
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: that's what you hear online that like Americans don't hate
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: us yeah don't hate us but it's just mentioned online
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: that in America people walk less and drive more And
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: drive more.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: That's what's mentioned.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: So I think, is there a chance that there's this
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: American culture playing a role here? That like walking is
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a big deal. Even if it's just a mile, it's
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: not a big deal. But it's like, maybe it's like...
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: It's more convenient to drive. To drive. And then that's why, oh,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: walking is kind of strange now.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: And potentially, actually. Potentially. Potentially. You know what? Let me
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Google really quickly. You go ahead. I'll Google like the
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: crime rates in spring Texas.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Google spring 2010. Yeah, you go Google that. And then
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: we can proceed here with the information that we have. So, yeah.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: After police once again tells Joanne in the morning that,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you know, your daughter is just a runaway. She's going
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: to come back. That definitely didn't sit right with the family.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Ali's father, John, actually started investigating on his own. And
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: John actually made, apparently from the information we have here,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: he made very good progress by himself. Because first he
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: called the school bus company that Ali was on, on
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the school bus. I think you found some information there.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Well, not quite. Officially, standalone crime rate statistics are not
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: published by FBI. Yeah, so it's not published by the FBI,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: but I also did search what's the general crime rate
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: in Spring, Texas. Spring, Texas has an overall crime rate
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: of about 15 per 1,000 residents, which is lower than
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: the national average. So it's generally safe.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Generally, there's no crime epidemic.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no like... Very dangerous areas.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it doesn't look like there was some sort of...
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And that neighborhood doesn't look like it would have a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: crime epidemic. Spring Texas, to me, doesn't scream like there's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: going to be a lot of criminal activity here.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just probably a lot of children with bicycles.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Especially in the area where Ali was living. Maybe other
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: parts of the town are more dangerous, though. So John actually,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you know, Ali's father, he made some really good progress
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: even on his own because he called the school bus company.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: He was able to collect the CCTV footage from the bus.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: And it was captured, in fact, that she took that bus.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: So this was amazing that he was able to do
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: this because we at least know that Ali was And
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: she was hopping off the bus in the neighborhood. So
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: at least we know where her last confirmed whereabouts are,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: which would be, you know, where in the suburban neighborhood
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: where she was living. And we also have information that
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: two other boys had gotten off the bus with her. Now,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any suspicion towards the boys. I
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: feel like they have been investigated, um, I don't know.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna maybe go with the flow and say
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: that the boys are innocent here. Because I feel like
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: if they had something... Wait, wait, wait. Or maybe we shouldn't, actually.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Were they together with Ali or did they get dropped
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: off separately?
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's just a bus stop. And all
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: three of them just walked. Yeah, so the boys actually
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: reported that they saw Ali texting and walking in the
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: direction of Burger Barn. So she was walking in the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: direction of Burger Barn, which is in the opposite direction
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: to her home, you know, from the bus stop. So
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: at this point, it looks like everything is going according
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: to plan. Now I took some images of the Google
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Street view. And this is what I'm talking about. This is,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I believe, from 2011. I'm going to be sharing this
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: on the YouTube channel.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: What do you see here, Rain?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Massive, massive front yards and generally looks like a typical
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: American safe neighborhood. You know, one of those neighborhoods that
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: we've seen in films. Like the coming-of-age films where the
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: main character is just on a bike or something?
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say the one interesting thing for me
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: is that actually in the immediate street where Ali was living,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I could see sidewalks. But literally the next street, which
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: is still one of those lesser populated streets, there's already
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: no sidewalks.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to have to walk on the grass.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, it makes sense to me. It
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: makes sense to me that there's no sidewalks there because
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I also don't see anything there that's worth going to.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: It's just trees.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: It's just trees. So maybe this is the reason why
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Joanne felt a little uneasy about her daughter walking this
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: particular area because there really seems like there is no sidewalk.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: It's not a completely walkable area.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: No. I think the only thing that kind of helps
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: in this case was still daylight. So I think the
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: visibility was pretty good. And the burger joint itself was
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: part of a strip mall, as you can see. It
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: was part of a strip mall and it had multiple different...
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: buildings this particular or businesses this particular strip mall. You
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: see it's like it has like a narrow area and
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: then there's like this like square, square part of the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: strip mall. So the square part, the bigger part has
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: been demolished in 2020. So it's not there anymore. But
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the screenshot that I took was from 2010, specifically the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: same year when Ali went missing. It's on Cypresswood Drive.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And this looks like a more busy area, to be honest.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I could see how a lot of cars would be
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: passing through the strip mall where the burger place was at.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And to me, something tells me that maybe Alley potentially
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: didn't even appear in this Cypress Wood Drive. That's my
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: first assumption. Mm-hmm. And I'm jumping ahead a little bit
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: in my notes, but we will find out that actually John,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: her father, went to the gas station, which was very
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: close to the strip mall where the burger joint was at.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: It was on the other side of the street. And
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: he was able to talk to staff, and they were
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: able to establish that Ali was not picked up on
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: security cameras.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: So it looks to me like my just rational thinking here,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: and I could be wrong here, but my rational thinking
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: tells me that, I mean, I just assume that Ali
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: never made it to Cypresswood Drive. I mean, I could
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: be wrong. Maybe the family has a different take on
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the case. To me, it just sounds like Ali did
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: not make it to Cypresswood Drive. What we do have
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: is we do have CCTV stills of Ali from that day.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: So I have an image where we have three stills
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: connected to one another. And we could see that the
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: first image is actually Ali from school. It looks like
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: she's just leaving school in this image. And then we
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: have two still images of Ali on the bus. So
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: we see that she got on and got off from
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the bus. From the bus stop. So, to me, to
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: be honest, Ali, I will say this, looks kind of distinctive.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was supposed to say that. Like, if I
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: wasn't at bus alone, I would remember her. I would
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, she was here. Or even when we
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: were walking, for example.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: To be honest, even as a stranger, I don't know
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: how many people had that fashion.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Back in 2010.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Back in 2010, how common was this, but At least
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: to me, it looks like if I was just a
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: guy driving past, I mean, Allie looks to me like
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: she would be more distinctively looking than an average person.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: So that's something we should mention here. So, and another
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: screenshot I have is the CCTV, sorry, the gas station,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the gas station. And I don't know which directions the
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: gas station covers. You know, to be honest, maybe we
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: can't even, we can't even gauge if Ali actually made
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it to Cyprus Drive based on the CCTV because we
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: don't know the angles. But I'm kind of leaning more
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: towards that the angles would kind of cover a little
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: bit of the other street. And I assume that, I'm
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: just assuming that maybe those angles covered the most direct
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: walking path towards the burger joint from her home like
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: at least when it comes to cypress drive the big
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: busy street and apparently they did not capture they did
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: not capture ailey at all so we probably you know
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: have to assume that she wasn't there.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Wait so the bus route the bus stop i'm assuming
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: is close or in the general area of the And
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: then from there, she walked to Cypress Drive, the strip mall.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: So the bus, I assume, would drop off the kids
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: in the suburban neighborhood.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, and then she would just walk from there.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: That's my assumption.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: For some reason, I thought the bus stop would be
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: somewhere just a bit off the gas station.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't look like that's the case. So during
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: their search, Ali's parents made numerous calls to their daughter.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: They were calling her phone, but there was no response.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Joanne remembers that their cell phone provider at the time,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: which was, I believe, AT & T, had the GPS
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: tool that would allow them to pinpoint where Ali's phone was.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: So this was before, you know, like modern day like phones,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: having to like locate my phone apps and stuff like that.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: AT & T apparently was providing some sort of, you know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: some sort of a feature which, you know, you could
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: use it to locate the phone. However, it appears that
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Ali's phone either lost power or was turned off near
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: the edge of the neighborhood and could not be pinged
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: any further. So now my opinion is that we don't
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: actually know if it was turned off, if it was
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: ran out of battery, if Ali is being intercepted by
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a potential culprit and that culprit is getting rid of
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: her phone. So this point is a mystery, but it
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: does seem to me that we could establish that the
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: phone is not operational. It is turned off soon after
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: she got off the bus.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this one is interesting because I actually... have no idea, like,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: what happened, because sometimes he would get a little bit
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: of hint, maybe she turned it off, maybe it ran
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: out of battery, but the thing is, in this case,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: it feels like it could have happened, like, okay, she
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: was a 16-year-old teenager who was just planning to pick
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: up her salary, no, actually, if she was planning to
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: pick up a potential new shift, wouldn't she make sure
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: that she has enough battery in her phone? Or at
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: least grab her charger?
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really think that you could expect
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: that from every 16-year-old.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. I agree with that. But the
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: thing is, she's also texting quite often.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: She's texting quite often.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: I also.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: think that it didn't phones last longer yeah yeah in
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: in 2010 as far as i remember at.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Least the ones with the you know those keyboards yeah
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: so maybe the Maybe you don't have to charge.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I think it was a situation where maybe
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: back in the day, you didn't even have to charge
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: every day.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I probably forgot at that point. But I don't know.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: It just seems like as a teenager who's constantly texting,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming that she would, I don't know.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Be aware about it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Be aware like, okay, I have 5% left. Yeah, and
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: that she's going to pick up a new shift. What
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: do you think?
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I think so. So what you're saying is actually a
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: very good point. It's a very good point, you know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: because from what you're saying, I will agree with you that, yeah,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: she's someone who's texting a lot.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: So that means the phone is important.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: It's important. She's aware about the battery life. She's aware
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: enough that if she's asking her mother if she can
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: pick up a shift, she's probably aware enough about her
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: phone to the point where she knows it's charged.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: She knows it is charged.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Or if not, she would bring a charger with her.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So what does that tell us? That tells
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: us that maybe, maybe... It was turned off. Yeah. Maybe
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: the likelihood now jumps to the fact that it was
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: turned off. Which is.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Which, to me... It's a bit scary. Indicates that something
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: is very wrong.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: One way or another, something is very wrong. Yeah.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Because I have a friend, I just wanted to say this,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I had a friend who was also a constant texter
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: back in those days, and she would even have a
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: second phone with her just in case one dies. I
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: know Ali was not that crazy, but I'm just saying, like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: If the habit is texting friends constantly, I think she
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: would have been better prepared for, you know, lower battery percentage.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. That is interesting. I've never seen people having
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: two phones just because of texting. But this was a thing, probably.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Probably. Probably not as common, but could have been a thing.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. So, Joanne, Hallie's mother, looked through her daughter's
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: phone records from the day that she went missing... and
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: saw that her daughter had actually texted a friend named
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Jay around 2.50 p.m. And this looks to me like
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: it's the last text message conversation that she had. The
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: last text conversation she had was with a friend from
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: school named Jay. She was asking Jay, who is not
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend. And I'm not saying anything bad about it.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to establish the fact that her boyfriend
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: is a boy by the name of DJ, but now
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: she's texting Jay at around 2.50 p.m., and she's asking
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: him to come over to her house and hang out. Apparently,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Jay texted back that he couldn't make it, and Jay
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: was later cleared by police of any involvement in the case.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: I did find people saying that people are finding Jay suspicious.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Jay was 18, so that's one thing that kind of
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: works against him being someone who's, I guess, able to
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: abduct someone, hide their trail. He was a 16-year-old boy,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: but I've seen some allegations, and I'm just going to
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: put them out there, what I've seen. But I can't
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: verify any of this. I'm just saying what I found online.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Someone's saying online that Jay apparently was... you know, older.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: And he was, uh, this is what it was worded
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: like grooming other girls. I can't really verify. Jay could
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: be an absolutely innocent person. I'm just saying he.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Was also 16, 18. Oh, 18.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I believe, or maybe, no, maybe not 18. I don't know.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe somewhere around that age, but I.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Think when she was older, it was, okay. So that's
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: just something I'm putting up front. Uh, While looking into
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Ali's phone records, her family learned that their phone provider
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't able to offer them the contents of her messages
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: from the days leading up to her disappearance. However, they
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: were able to obtain the dates, times, and numbers, so
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: eventually all of the numbers that were in those records
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: were called, and apparently nothing was established as to what
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: could lead to locating Ali. On the 3rd of May 2010,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: this was one week into Ali's disappearance, family approached police again.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: With all the information they had gathered, it was a week.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is crisis mode, right? But Ali's status
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: was only changed from runaway to endangered runaway, according to
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: information I have. Investigators looked through her old journals. They
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: showed up at her place. They looked through her old
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: journals and they had seen something that they kind of
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: ran with. They saw that there was an entry about
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: her wanting to run away. Now, they used that particular
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: entry to say that, oh, she definitely ran away and
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: she will eventually come back, something along those lines. Ali's
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: parents were saying that That entry was maybe from a
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: long time ago and maybe it wasn't reflective of their
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: daughter's outlook anymore. So no long after that, leads stopped
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: coming in for the family and the case started to
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: get cold. Hoping to reignite the investigation, the family enlisted
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: the help of the laura laura recovery center which is
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: an organization that helps uh people with missing children or
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: missing missing family members in general uh apparently they specialize
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: in missing and abducted children so this organization helped them
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: create flyers and conducted searches one thing i've seen one
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: thing i've seen is that um I've seen mentioned that
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: apparently this organization organized a lot of volunteers. They were
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: specifically searching the woods. Because if you would look at
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the map, I don't know if I have the image here.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe I should grab this and add it in the
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: post-production of this podcast to the YouTube channel. The forest
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: is very close. Oh, you've seen it? The huge chunk
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: of forest is very close to the streets. where Ali
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: was living. And I have to say, to me, it
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: also is interesting that it is that forest. And somehow,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: you can't look at this case, look at the map,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and not at least think a little bit about that forest.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: That forest would explain a lot of things. It would
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: explain how Ali is not getting captured on gas station
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: CCTV near Cypress Drive. That forest actually explains a lot
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: of things to me.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: What do you think about it?
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I agree with you completely.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: They were focusing on the forest and the search was
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: apparently really big. But they were not able to find
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: anything useful there. During one of their searches... the dog
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: was able to pick up Ali's scent. However, the team
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: were unable to determine if the scent was a fresh
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: scent or if it had been there for a long time.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, because she was basically in that area anyways
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: because of her shift.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. This is where she was living. The searches
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: caught the attention of local media. The media picked up
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the story. Ali's family appeared on the news. They were
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: asking for help from the community. There was a $ 25, 000 reward.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Nothing came of it. In late May, so moving quite
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: forward into the timeline, the case was transferred to the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: homicide detectives at the Harris County Sheriff's Office in the
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: hopes of generating more leads. Similarly to before, the family
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: filled in investigators on what they already uncovered. And the
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: investigators began their investigation by looking at the Lawitzer family
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: at first. This was mentioned by Joanne herself a couple
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: of times, how this was very stressful for the family
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: because when the homicide team started investigating, they first started
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: looking at the family. And it was mentioned that Mason
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: was focused on, that apparently an 18-year-old Half-Brother was focused
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: on by the investigators, even though, from the information that
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: we have, Mason was out there searching for Allie with
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: his friends on the same night when she went missing.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: And I have this very strange piece of information from
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: one of the sources online that only John was cleared
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: of any involvement in Allie's disappearance. So I don't know
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: what that means. Does that mean that Mason is still
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: not fully cleared? I have no idea. The only things
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: I know about Mason is that ever since he has
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: moved to Seattle. And by all accounts, to me, it
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: sounds that he should be innocent, right?
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I don't see why he would be scrutinized here.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, is it probably because he was still at home
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: when Allie left? Yeah, maybe.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: But isn't that like a brother thing?
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was there because it's his home.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Where is he supposed to be?
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Ali's family eventually created a Facebook page that is still
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: running and you could go check it out. You could
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: go follow it. And in the months that followed, the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: ground searches were called off and the news stories started
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: to stop. And the case got quite cold. So we
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: have a couple of things that kind of developed here.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: We have, I would say, two main, in this case
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: of Ali Lauter, we have two main investigative angles or like,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I would say, major clues that were put forward by
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: two sets of different investigators. So apparently different private investigators
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: were working on this case. And there was a man,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know his name, But there was a man
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: who was a private investigator. He actually put up, I
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: think he was also doing the investigation for free. He
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: was just really into it maybe. And he tried to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: connect Ali's disappearance with a man by the name of
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Brandon Laverne. So in 2012, a private investigator, which was
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: hired by the Lauter family, brought up the idea that
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: a convicted killer, Brandon Laverne, might be involved in Allie's disappearance.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Brandon was accused of killing two women, Mickey Shunick and
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Lisa Pate, in Louisiana, in a different state, not in Texas.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I believe it was 250 miles away. And Brandon's white
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: pickup truck had been seen in the Spring, Texas area
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: around the time when Allie went missing. A witness had
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: called in saying he had seen a young girl, maybe
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: matching Allie's description, talking to someone in a similar truck
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: to that owned by, I think, convicted killer Brandon Laverne,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: and this sighting happened near the Burger Barn. So you
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: would think that, oh, maybe... convicted killer, Brandon Laverne, intercepted Allie.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: And also the witness had managed to grab a few
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: numbers off the license plate, which were matched to Brandon Laverne.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: First of all, I found this pretty weird because if
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: you're driving or walking along, you see a girl talking
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: to a man in a pickup truck, does that immediately
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: feel suspicious enough for you to start writing down license
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: plate numbers no and you know the the fact that
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: they only grabbed a couple of license plate numbers i
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: feel like that maybe the truck was driving or driving
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: away so already the interaction had ended or yeah they
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: did the interaction end or did ali actually enter the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: pickup truck and you found that that whole thing so
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: suspicious to the point where like oh my god is
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: this going to be a potential crime in the future
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Let me write down license plate number.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: That is a bit too weird, mainly because from my perspective,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: if I would see something similar, I would first think, okay,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: maybe the guy or maybe the person in the car
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: is asking for directions and nothing weird. And if, for example,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: a teenage girl enters the truck, my first thought would be, oh,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: maybe it's the mom or the dad. Maybe she is
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: getting picked up and going home. I wouldn't actively be
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: like that. So suspicious and wouldn't write down everything.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Me neither. Maybe, man, that's such a weird thing.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: The fact that they wrote down the pickup truck license
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: plate number.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do find it weird. But I also kind
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: of agree in some points. Because Allie was a young
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: teenage girl. And she was, as you mentioned earlier, she's
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: quite distinctive. She stands out a little bit. So if
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: you would see her, you would kind of remember her
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: with her styling and the dark hair and all. So
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: my first thought is that how come no one ever
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: came forward like seeing her? Like other than the people
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: at the bus, around the area, like walking towards somewhere,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: like at the gas station. My first thought would be
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: maybe she was actively picked up and she actively went
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: to a car. Because if, for example, someone was trying
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: to abduct her, it seems to me that from what
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: we know and from the pictures, she would scream. She
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: would make a commotion. Someone would notice.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I have to agree with you on this one. It
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: does look like, to me, she never made it to
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: that Cypress Wood Drive.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Something... Something happened before that. Whatever that is, I guess
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: we don't know. But to me, just from the story.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: But also there wasn't any commotion.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, there was no commotion. Apparently no one reported anything strange.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my theory is that maybe she actively went
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: inside someone's car. And that car drove off.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Someone she knew.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Or not. Maybe she was lured. Maybe this car is like, oh,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: why are you walking? Oh, you're going to that burger spot.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: It's okay. I'll pick you up and I'll drop you off.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: That could be the case. Because remember, we looked at
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: the Google Street images. Literally, the next street after the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: one that she lived on, it already doesn't have a sidewalk. Yeah.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: If you see someone walking on there, maybe you would
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: stop and pick them up.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't do that, but, you know, I think
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: it could be a possibility that someone would.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: That someone.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Would. So, going back to Brandon, Brandon also had ties, apparently,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: to the Spring, Texas area via his family, and his
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: burnt-out truck had been discovered 50 miles out of Spring, Texas.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Police questioned him in regards to Allie's disappearance, but he
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: was able to provide an alibi that was verified through
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: his former employer.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: What I found online is that this man, Brandon, had
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: a really, really strong alibi. And they were not able
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: to accuse him of doing anything with Ali. But I've
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: seen some guy doing, you know, some great guy potentially,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: you know, a private investigator talking to the media about
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: this case. And he was really into that whole story.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: He was like trying to connect the dots. He was
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: going really hard on this particular theory, but I think
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: nothing really came out of it. Now there was this
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: another huge, humongous incident called the Alley Cat incident. Do
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: you know about Alley Cat incident?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: So let me walk you through it really quickly what
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: we have here. To further help bring new leads, the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: family hired a second private investigator by the name of Amber.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: who believed that Ali could have been the victim of
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: human trafficking and thus could be anywhere in the United States.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Joanne mentioned that Amber was actually the most influential private
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: investigator in this case. She never took any money from
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: the family, but she was doing the most work. So
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: this particular theory was further refuted. pushed forward in October 2012,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: two years into Allie's disappearance, when her mother Joanne received
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: a call from a woman in Columbus, Ohio, a whole
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: different state across America. The woman said that she had
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: seen Allie's missing person website and claimed that she had
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: seen a similar-looking girl in Columbus, Ohio, at a local
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: church event for the homeless people of Columbus. The girl
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: had been quiet, which made the woman think that maybe
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: this girl was forced not to make contact with others,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: as if, you know, Ailey was being held against her will.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: At this point, Columbus area had a drug and S
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: trafficking problem. Okay, trafficking, human trafficking and drug problem. So
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: this private investigator, Amber, traveled to the city. She's doing
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: this apparently for free. She was working undercover and with police, allegedly,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: where she visited several crack houses and brothels. Four weeks in,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: she came in contact with an undercover cop who was
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: unaware of her own search for Allie, but he told
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: this private investigator, Amber, you know, the undercover cop, that
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: he had seen Allie, who was going by her nickname,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Allie Cat. Well, He was aware, this undercover cop, that
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Allie Katz was from Texas. He did not know that
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: she was actually a missing person. so what happened is
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: that in november of that same year amber was put
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: in contact with a police informer informant named amy a
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: woman working for the police she's an informant who immediately
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: recognized ali when she had seen her pictures and She
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: recalled that she had seen a girl with the same
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: scar that Allie had on her forehead, so this is
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: what made her think that, oh, I definitely had seen
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Allie Cat. And in exchange for some money, this informant
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Amy brought Amber to the house. I think it was
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: some sort of a crack den house, as I understand.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: And it's not really clear what Amber saw. It's mentioned
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: that maybe Amber did see some girl who looked like Allie,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: but she could not make a move because she was
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: all alone in a crack den and, you know, things
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: could get out of hand. So after this encounter, Amber
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: flew back to Texas and told the, you know, Allie's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: family what had happened. Moving forward, one month later in December...
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Ali's parents flew to Columbus hoping to reunite with their daughter.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: This was like a big deal in 2012 where they
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: really thought, oh my God, we found Ali. And this
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: private investigator, Amber, actually went undercover and she went into
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: the crack house with a bunch of police officers, SWAT team,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: and they were able to free eight girls. This is
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: what it said. Eight girls were saved. That's what it says.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: from a crack den in Columbus, but there was no
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: sign of Ali. And I watched YouTube. I think it
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: was a famous YouTuber who did a YouTube video about
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: this case, and they interviewed Joanne. And on the interview,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Joanne said that, in fact, eventually they were able to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: find Ali Kat. And it was very disappointing. Because she
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: looked nothing like Ally. So someone gave some tip that
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: they had seen a girl who looks like Ally. And
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: she ended up being a completely different person.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's a crazy, crazy situation.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a crazy... I mean.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: It's still good that they managed to save girls, some girls.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: It's just, oh my gosh, it's like zero to a hundred.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and to kind of round out everything that we
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: have in this case, there were three main theories, I believe.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Three main theories that people were kind of working with.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: So the first theory was that police, first theory was
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: held by police. And police initially held the belief that
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Ali was a runaway and her case is apparently still classified.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: as a missing persons case, as a runaway, sorry. I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: don't really know if this is still the case. I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: think this source provides this from 2018. So fast forward
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: another eight years, I'm not really sure how police is
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: treating this case at this point. And the police main
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: reason to think that Ali is a runaway is the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: entry in her journal which described that she wanted to
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: run away. And they also point to the fact that
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: there's no proof of an abduction. However, her family denies this.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: They are saying that Ali had no history of running
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: away and she left a lot of possessions behind, her paycheck, etc.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: I'm with the family on this one.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I'm also with the family.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: What kind of teenager didn't want to run away at
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: one point? Even I wanted to run away at one point, no?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of them, to be honest.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing is, if she really did run away,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: why leave all of her precious belongings at home and
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: her paycheck, which would help her?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Just get the paycheck.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Just get the paycheck.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: You've been working hard at some burger joint.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Why are you going to leave that on the table?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like, yes, if she actually ran away, if
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: she took that paycheck, I would be more convinced, yeah,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: she potentially ran away. Exactly.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Theory number two is about how Ali's family believes
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: that she has been abducted by a stranger. They have
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: no concrete evidence pointing towards this. They have no concrete
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: evidence pointing that she is alive and being held against
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: her will if she is currently deceased. But this theory
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: is supported by a similar incident And this was pretty bizarre.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: There was a similar incident that occurred before Ali's disappearance
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: when a girl from the area had been the victim
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: of an attempted abduction. Having been forced into a car
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: by an unknown male, she was able to escape by
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: biting her abductor and running away from the car. Holy cow.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: There was another girl... from the area that was getting abducted,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: she bit the abductor's hand and ran away from the car.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's crazy. With this fact and that neighborhood, chances
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: of Ali actually being abducted just rose up.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Actually, I'm going to mark this for myself because this
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: is something we need deeper dive in. And the last
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: theory would be something that maybe Amber, the private investigator,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: had put out who believes that maybe Ali was a
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: victim of human trafficking. specifically reports from Columbus and the
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Ohio Alley situation that actually turned out to be someone
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: completely different. Police are saying that if Alley was actually
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: part of a human trafficking scheme, her fingertips would have
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: already appeared in their database. Because, you know, apparently a
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: lot of women that are in those environments, they get
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: detained sooner or later, and their fingerprints are being pressed on.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: But it seems that her fingerprints have never been in
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: the record. So it seems to us that maybe that's
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: at least what the police is saying, that she would
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: have already, if she was still actively part of a
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: human trafficking scheme, they would have gotten some DNA already.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: But given the fact that there were a lot of
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: mishandled things by the police in this case, I would
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: also not be completely certain that police would be aware
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: of everything.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Even Joanne is saying that, I think she even mentioned
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: that it's better to approach her with tips well i
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: think it's better to approach police most likely but she
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: said it's better to approach her with tips rather than
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: the police because the police might not even know what
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: you're talking about oh that's crazy in spring texas and
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: that's generally all i have from the notes here i
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: kind of ran out of things to say but i
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: would like to ask your general take on the case
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: um Where are you leaning towards after having this conversation? Abduction.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: For sure. I'm completely with the family on this one.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: She doesn't seem like she would run away. It's just
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: too spontaneous, let's put it this way. And abduction wherein
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: she was alert instead of she was forced seems like
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: a bigger chance of happening.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: What do you think? Bigger chance. I'm also looking at
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: the last confirmed images of Ali, the ones from school
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: and from the school bus.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: And to me, it doesn't look like someone just, I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: don't know. To me, it doesn't look like someone who's
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: about to run away.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Given the fact that she doesn't have her money, she
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: didn't go pick up the thing at the job, didn't
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: pick up her paycheck. I do think that maybe something
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: happened on the edge of the neighborhood. I don't know
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: what that could be, though. And I would also say
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: that I'm very interested in knowing maybe more context about
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: her family dynamics and her last conversation with her mother,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: specifically in a sense that was it a dramatic conversation
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: or was it not a dramatic conversation? I would say
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: that is something that's interesting to me. I would also
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: like to know more about the people that she was
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: texting last. And someone was saying that Jay looks suspicious.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Actually, since an hour in this topic, the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: fact that she was sending and receiving together, combined, a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: couple of thousand messages per month, is there a slight
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: possibility she was talking to someone like a secret predator,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: like unknowingly.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: So this is something I found on the web sleuth.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: There were claims from the private investigator, I believe, and
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: I can't verify this. This is, I think just was
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: written on web sleuth that Allie had reportedly been contacting
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: someone in Las Vegas area and may have been used
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: and she may have used a friend's phone because her
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: mother Was monitoring her phone. So this is something.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: This is something on Websleuths. That there is a. And
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: I can't verify this. I don't know if this is true.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: This could be complete crap. What I'm saying. But this
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: is on Websleuths. And it is being discussed.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: That.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Ali had reportedly been contacting someone from las vegas and
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: that she was using friend's phone because her mother was
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: monitoring her phone so her is this a real thing
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: i don't think.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: So like how can you monitor a couple of thousand
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: text messages i just give up yeah how could she
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: how could joanne i don't think so actually because if
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: she was actually monitoring it wouldn't she say something to
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: ali like you're sending me too much.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what I'm also thinking is, in my head, my
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: question is, did Allie actually intend to go to Burger Barn?
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Did she actually intend to go to Burger Barn or
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: was she supposed to meet someone up? And things don't
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: really add up for me in the story because she's
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: also asking this Jay guy via texts to come over
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: and hang out at her place. But... She also says
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: that she's going to go to Burger Barn and maybe
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: pick up another shift. So is she picking up the
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: shift after the conversation with Jay and knowing that Jay's
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: not showing up? Or is she texting Jay to come
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: over to her place even?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Or some other time.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even after she knows that she's going to go
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: to Burger? So that whole thing is like, what was
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: she actually going to do?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder what made her specifically on that
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: day want to pick up another shift in her paycheck.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: It got to tomorrow.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing we know that she was walking
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: in the direction towards Burger Barn, but to be honest, like,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: just not, like, as the crow flies, but, like, just
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: on the street that would lead to another street that
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: would eventually lead to a street that would lead her
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: to Burger Barn. So she was walking towards that direction.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: We don't really know what happened next, though.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: So I would say this is all we have on
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Ali's case. I feel like at first, Ali's case had
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: been sitting in the list of topics to cover. And Joe....
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: 1994.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: 1994 had mentioned this case. It has to be at
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: least a couple months ago. At least, I feel like.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: And I kind of looked at it at first when
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I was, you know, kind of going over this case
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: trying to, because I never heard about it. And to me,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: it seemed that there won't be enough things to look into.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: And there might not be enough information for us to
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  Speaker 1: kind of have a conversation. But this was definitely enough
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  Speaker 1: and there's enough information to continue the conversation. What I
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  Speaker 1: will say is that this case not having a Wikipedia
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  Speaker 1: gave me this impression. So if this case had the
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  Speaker 1: good source of information like a good story write-up as
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  Speaker 1: like one of the leading search results on google i
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  Speaker 1: would say that this case it would help the case it.
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  Speaker 3: Would help the case at least more people might be
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  Speaker 3: aware of it yeah just my opinion just my opinion
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  Speaker 3: if someone could put this thing on wikipedia this is
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  Speaker 3: probably I don't know, maybe Joanne would agree that, like,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: why not put this case on Wikipedia, right?
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  Speaker 1: More awareness, yeah. What's the problem with that? So if
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: there's no problem, maybe this case could be put on Wikipedia,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest. Because, you know, like, some old cases
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: get solved many years after.
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  Speaker 2: That's true, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: And if you could potentially put this case on Wikipedia,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: have more people watching it, maybe there's some future developments
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  Speaker 1: that could come out of it. Or in general, maybe
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: there's going to be some news. I agree. But I
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: would say I'm going to put this case as definitely
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: something to keep monitoring because there's too many things that
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: are kind of happening here. And I would be interested
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: in knowing more about this case. But I think we're
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: kind of running out of time specifically today. Thank you
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: guys for joining us on the podcast. Please leave your thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us what you think happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you have any other information, especially if
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: you're a local from there, please reach out to Ali's mom.
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  Speaker 1: Joanne.
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  Speaker 2: Joanne, yeah. Please reach out to your local authorities and
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: let's try to help out a family who lost their
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: loved one.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Thank you guys for listening to the podcast. We
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: See you very soon.
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  Speaker 1: Bye-bye.