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Killer dad Chris Watts has sex with pregnant wife Shanann before straddling & murdering her · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. My daddy is a hero.
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Speaker 1: He helped me grow up, truck, he helped me. I'm
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Speaker 1: not good too. He reads me book, My Shoes, My daddy, Daddy.
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Speaker 1: I love you. Oh you are hearing Baby Belly just
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Speaker 1: four years old. She was murdered by her father. That
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Speaker 1: was her sitting in the backseat of the car, singing.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, sometimes when I hear one of
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Speaker 1: the twins, are both of the twins singing, I just
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Speaker 1: stop and I listen because I know in a couple
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Speaker 1: of years they're not going to be singing in that
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Speaker 1: little voice. It sounds kind of like a fairy. It's
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Speaker 1: just happy to be alive. And I'm wondering now what
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Speaker 1: Chris Watts is thinking when he hears that, because you know,
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Speaker 1: he's so obsessed with himself that he's listening to every
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Speaker 1: every shred of coverage he can get his eyes and
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Speaker 1: ears on. Bella is dead along with her sister and
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Speaker 1: their mother. In the last hours, we have obtained shocking
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Speaker 1: audio of Chris Watts the killer dad's confession from a
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Speaker 1: MAX facility in Wisconsin. Listen to this crab. Could she
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Speaker 1: grab your answer? Were arms pinned? Down her not then
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Speaker 1: I remember, I don't think so I'm I don't think
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Speaker 1: like I moved toward my knees or around her arms
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Speaker 1: or anything. It's just kind of like when I got
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Speaker 1: Ontoper we started talking, it was that with it. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of like in my head for like in the
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Speaker 1: back of my head, that's gonna happen, And just like
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Speaker 1: at the end of conversation, it was just like, that's
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Speaker 1: what happened. I just wish I could have let go.
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Speaker 1: Did it seem like it was that long too? For
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Speaker 1: a minute, how long did it seem for you? It
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Speaker 1: almost kind of felt like it was. I felt like
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Speaker 1: it was longer almost because I feel like time was
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Speaker 1: standing still. It's kind of like I just thought of
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Speaker 1: my life just disappeared before my eyes. But I just
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Speaker 1: like I couldn't let it go because like somebody else,
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Speaker 1: like like if you picture somebody else around you holding
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Speaker 1: your hands, holding you keep your feet, not not letting
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Speaker 1: you go. Saw my life disappearing before me, saw my
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Speaker 1: life flash before me. Wendy Patrick veteran California prosecutor and
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags, Frenemies, Underminers, and Ruthless People on
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Speaker 1: Amazon Wendy, you know what I would be in the
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Speaker 1: midst of a trial. I didn't really have time to
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Speaker 1: psycho analyze the defendant. I mean there were times I
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Speaker 1: would say, the first five years that I prosecuted felonies
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Speaker 1: that I would look over and I wonder, why why
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Speaker 1: would they do this? Why would they leave this wake
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Speaker 1: of pain behind them with a ripple effect that we'll
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Speaker 1: go on for generations. But to think why. But Wendy,
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Speaker 1: when you really think it through, do you hear he's
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Speaker 1: keep saying me, me, me, I, I my my, It's
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Speaker 1: all about him. He's describing the moment he was on
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Speaker 1: top of his pregnant wife, Shanine, strangling her, and in
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Speaker 1: the context prosecutors asked him to take off his shirt
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Speaker 1: to say if there were defensive wounds where she had
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Speaker 1: maybe scratched him or hit him. He's like, NA, she
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Speaker 1: didn't five back. I knew they wouldn't find anything. It's
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Speaker 1: all about him, his life flashing before him. It's all
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Speaker 1: about him. Did you hear that? Yeah, Nancy, that's very troubling.
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Speaker 1: And that's the kind of thing that we often see
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Speaker 1: is you know, in cases like this where you have
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Speaker 1: murderers that are explaining why they did what they did.
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Speaker 1: It's from a perspective that's foreign to any of the listeners,
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Speaker 1: that it is all about them and their lives and
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Speaker 1: how their lives can be improved, and how whatever it
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Speaker 1: was that was causing conflict affected them, and so this
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Speaker 1: is the decision that they made. One I suppose good
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Speaker 1: thing about the way he's describing it is it doesn't
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Speaker 1: leave much room for interpretation as to what kind of
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Speaker 1: a murder this was. Sadly, I'm just just thinking about it.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan frans its expert of what type of
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Speaker 1: wounds do you think investigators were looking for on his body? Well,
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Speaker 1: they're looking for what I refer to as defensive wounds
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Speaker 1: in the sense that she Shenan is trying to fight back.
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Speaker 1: Most people think of defense as wounds as the individual
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Speaker 1: trying to protect himself. She's trying to scratch him, trying
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Speaker 1: to do anything that she can to get him off
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Speaker 1: of her. But you know, he was kind of absent
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Speaker 1: of anything. Nancy. Let's think about it. You mentioned just
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Speaker 1: a second ago how she was tired, she's worn down,
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Speaker 1: she's carrying a baby, she's she's really late in his pregnancy. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: she's been on this trip and she had other physical conditions.
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Speaker 1: They've they've already had intimate relations. It's she's completely a
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Speaker 1: defenseless at this point in time. And then he gets
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Speaker 1: on top of her. Remember, remember this narcissist has been
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Speaker 1: working out, pumping up. He's on top of a weak,
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Speaker 1: weak woman. Here he's all ripped now. He takes a
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Speaker 1: lot of pride in his body, is very strong. I
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Speaker 1: think that he se clamped her throat and show turn down.
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Speaker 1: You know. It takes me back to something Joe Scott.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when we were on HLN all the
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Speaker 1: time together? Oh? Yeah, yeah, when I was pregnant. There
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Speaker 1: were a couple of times when I would be in
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Speaker 1: Atlanta and not in New York and I would walk
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Speaker 1: down You're gonna laugh. I walked to the mailbox and
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Speaker 1: walking back up the driveway, I would get so tired
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Speaker 1: I would sit down on the driveway. And there were
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Speaker 1: even times, of course I didn't know what was happening
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Speaker 1: to me that I was slowly heading toward death at
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Speaker 1: that time, but I actually would lay down in the driveway,
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Speaker 1: and I remember my cat Cocoa would come and sit
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Speaker 1: with me, and I would actually lay in the driveway
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Speaker 1: because I could not get up the hill. And there
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Speaker 1: were many times in New York I was carrying twins.
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Speaker 1: I would have to to sit down in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the sidewalk, doctor Brian Russell, to sit down on
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Speaker 1: a sidewalk in New York where you know, that's where
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Speaker 1: everybody walks their dogs and they t t and they
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Speaker 1: poop and they you know, and I knew that, and
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Speaker 1: I would still sit down because I could not go
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Speaker 1: one more step. And I'm just thinking about what Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott just said about him being all buff. He's as
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Speaker 1: soon as he got a girlfriend, he suddenly got all
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Speaker 1: buff and would take all these photos of himself without
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Speaker 1: a shirt on. That's no, that's no contest, doctor Brian. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And I think even beyond that, it shows you the
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Speaker 1: depth of this, this total absence of any kind of empathy.
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Speaker 1: You know, the average person feels m and a heightened
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Speaker 1: duty to be, you know, protective and to be helpful
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Speaker 1: to somebody in that state. And here's somebody who takes
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Speaker 1: advantage of that to overpower the person. It's it's a again,
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Speaker 1: it's a foreign idea to most people listening but it's
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Speaker 1: important to understand that this is I'm glad that we
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Speaker 1: have this confession because it gives people a chance to
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Speaker 1: hear from the horse's mouth the fact that not everybody
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Speaker 1: who does this stuff is insane. You know, there are
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Speaker 1: people out there and some of them end up on juries,
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Speaker 1: and some of them even end up in careers in
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Speaker 1: law enforcement and as prosecutors and judges, and they actually
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Speaker 1: believe that nobody does anything like this who's sane. And
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Speaker 1: you can hear this might not be a mentally healthy person.
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Speaker 1: This is clearly somebody who has reached a depth of
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Speaker 1: entitlement that hopefully none of us ever see in our
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Speaker 1: own lives, let alone our own selves. But this is
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Speaker 1: not somebody who was crazy, and it's important for people
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Speaker 1: to get that. As difficult as it is to listen to.
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Speaker 1: The afternoon in my office, filed formal charges against Christopher
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Speaker 1: Lee Watts. This is perhaps the most inhumane and vicious
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Speaker 1: crime that I have handled out of the thousands of
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Speaker 1: cases that I have seen. And then he came back
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Speaker 1: to the truck, and Bella had said to her father
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Speaker 1: that you're not going to do that to me what
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Speaker 1: you did to CC. Are you daddy, Shenan Bella, it's
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Speaker 1: the last you're out there. Just just come back, Like
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Speaker 1: if somebody has her, just please bring her back. I
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Speaker 1: need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again.
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Speaker 1: This house is not complete without anybody here. Bring back. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: somebody took her, that's true, but it was you, Chris Watts.
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Speaker 1: You're the one that took her. In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: we obtained stunning confession audio video of killer dad Chris Watts.
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Speaker 1: You know so often the public the listener doesn't know
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Speaker 1: everything the prosecution knows. And maybe that's a good thing,
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Speaker 1: because for the rest of my life, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: remember the words of Chris Watts before he murdered his
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Speaker 1: wife Shanan and their beautiful, beautiful little girls and their
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Speaker 1: unborn baby boy, nico I, Nancy Grace and this as
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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in the
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Speaker 1: last hours we get that audio. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Chris Watts in his own words, the same thing, same thing, smart?
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Speaker 1: How does she sound? What chance do everything said that
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Speaker 1: she said? Software shows that what exactly she's saying says
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Speaker 1: that is the same thing that happened to me, sc D.
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Speaker 1: I don't even from what I said around said if
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Speaker 1: I said yes, like a horrible person or advice, put this.
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Speaker 1: Put that blanket over her too. Did the same thing
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Speaker 1: the same way, the same way. Kay, she said no, daddy,
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Speaker 1: that's unless that she said. Did she say no daddy,
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Speaker 1: like please, no daddy type fan? Is she sad thing?
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Speaker 1: Don't do it? She says? She said no, good the
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Speaker 1: same way hand on that hand of mouth. Her hand
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Speaker 1: was blanket you're talking about? Did I take it? He once?
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Speaker 1: Feel like it? Okay? Then you are hearing this so
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Speaker 1: called killer dad describing his daughter, his little daughter saying no,
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Speaker 1: no daddy, no, joining me right now an all star panel.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, professor at Jacksonville State University, forensics expert
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Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Felony
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Speaker 1: prosecutor out of California, author of Red Flags, Frenemies, Underminers,
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Speaker 1: and Ruthless People on Amazon. Doctor Brian Russell's psychologist, lawyer,
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Speaker 1: host of IDs hit series Fatal Vows, author of Stop
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Speaker 1: Moaning and Start Owning on Amazon. Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigator reporter Ellen Kilaurin. This confession was actually taken at
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Speaker 1: a Wisconsin maximum security prison, which accounts for the bad
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Speaker 1: quality of it. Cops didn't take this confession, so we
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Speaker 1: can listen to it. This confession was taken as part
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Speaker 1: of the case against a so called killer dad, Chris Watts.
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Speaker 1: Let me go to Ellen klaurin Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. I want to figure out the sequence of
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Speaker 1: events that night. So Shenan, his wife, who is pregnant
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Speaker 1: with Nico, has been on a business trip. Her friend, girl,
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Speaker 1: her coworker, brings her home. She gets home after one
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Speaker 1: am from out of town. The friend drops her and leaves.
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Speaker 1: Based on if you can believe anything, he says, what
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Speaker 1: Chris Watts said. What happens? Then Ellen Shan I comes
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Speaker 1: home very early in the morning. She and Chris have
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Speaker 1: a discussion and emotional and discussion. But then Nancy they
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Speaker 1: also were physically intimate with each other. This is a
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Speaker 1: new detail that we've learned. Okay, wait a minute, Wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute. So hold on, doctor Brian Russell.
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Speaker 1: You're the shrink and the lawyer and the host of
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Speaker 1: Id's Fatal Vows and the author, doctor Brian. So here's
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Speaker 1: a guy, Chris Watts, who's been sleeping with every skirt
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Speaker 1: that walks by. He's finding people online, I mean for
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Speaker 1: one night stands. So but he still has enough energy
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Speaker 1: to have sex with his wife when she comes home
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Speaker 1: at two am from working out of town, right before
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Speaker 1: he kills her. And apparently he was just about to
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Speaker 1: tell her he wants to divorce, but he goes, oh,
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Speaker 1: what the hey, you know, one more time around the block.
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Speaker 1: So what what's that? Brian Russell. I think it's just
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Speaker 1: a depth of entitlement that is hard for most people
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Speaker 1: listening to relate to. Thank God, it is because this
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Speaker 1: is what happened opens when it gets to the extreme
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Speaker 1: that somebody just feels that at any moment, taking what
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Speaker 1: they want, regardless of the effect on other people, they're
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Speaker 1: entitled to do it. I'm just thinking, you know, help
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Speaker 1: me out, Wendy Patrick. Maybe no offense, doctor Brian, but
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Speaker 1: let me go to a woman on this, doctor Wendy Patrick.
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Speaker 1: If I'm about to tell somebody I want to split up,
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Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is jump in
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Speaker 1: the sack. I mean, I want to get away from them.
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Speaker 1: That's why I would be asking for a divorce. Well,
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Speaker 1: we'll not get closer to them, right, And you know
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Speaker 1: that's one of the things that we look at when
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Speaker 1: we're trying to dissect the credibility of somebody's story. And Nancy,
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Speaker 1: as you and I both know in court, you know,
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Speaker 1: juror is dissected the same way you just did. Would
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Speaker 1: that be the logical way you'd approach that kind of
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Speaker 1: attempted dissolution or was there more to the story, which
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Speaker 1: it turns out may have been the casier Yeah, Another
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Speaker 1: saying to Joseph's out Morgan forensics expert and author Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking this through. And she gets in. I
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Speaker 1: think it's closer to two o'clock than one o'clock. Been
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Speaker 1: traveling all night, she's pregnant, exhausted, This wasn't a fun trip.
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Speaker 1: This was a work trip. She gets in. You can
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Speaker 1: see her on the video dragging her own bag in
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Speaker 1: all that, and I just find it really hard to
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Speaker 1: believe that she's going to jump into sack that exhausted,
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Speaker 1: as you got to get up early to take care
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Speaker 1: of the children. I wonder Joe Scott if he thought
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Speaker 1: his DNA, his sperm was going to be found and
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Speaker 1: then he would get hit with another charge in the rate.
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Speaker 1: You know, at one point in time I listened to
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Speaker 1: the tape at one point in time, this whole intimacy
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Speaker 1: thing was it was initiated by I believe by her
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Speaker 1: rubbing his back, is what he said in the confession.
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Speaker 1: I may have that wrong a minute, may let's stop
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Speaker 1: stop right there, rubbed his back. He's about to ask
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Speaker 1: for a divorce. He's got the other girlfriend waiting in
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Speaker 1: the wings, who has already been over to his home
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Speaker 1: while his wife was gone. Um, as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: let's hear it in his own words. I wonder if
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Speaker 1: that last time was she hand having sex. He had
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Speaker 1: a somewhat of a rule in you thinking a trigger,
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Speaker 1: I gotta do something, I gotta say something. We gotta
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Speaker 1: have to todd, something's gotta change accurate. Yeah, I felt
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Speaker 1: like it was like maybe like a trigger point or
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Speaker 1: something like it, like you get the hoops putting on
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Speaker 1: a bomb just blows up, right. Something in my head
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Speaker 1: was just like something just like someone's hurting, just like
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Speaker 1: I had to say something. Okay, So then exactly what
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Speaker 1: did he say and what happened? So when I will
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Speaker 1: grow up and he's like, yeah, we just gotta gotta
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Speaker 1: talk kind of just like it's older I don't feel incredible,
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Speaker 1: feel like this is gonna work. I just you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to like, can we chancel the trip
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Speaker 1: to Aspen to shoot put the trip that we all
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Speaker 1: go to some like mystery four star luxury of a
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Speaker 1: coach or something said to you were both family dismant
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Speaker 1: and she had a band of fair and watch the
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Speaker 1: kids that week that weekend or something, okay, And I
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Speaker 1: was just like trying to cancel that. Can we like
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Speaker 1: do something like so when I remember, I even said, ken,
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Speaker 1: we move it right just to get away from like
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Speaker 1: this house. Oh, but like I'm not sure if that
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Speaker 1: was like like in the beginning with the end of
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Speaker 1: farther conversation or whatnot, that conversation with so many different ways,
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Speaker 1: like they would had gone from like staying together to
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Speaker 1: not staying together to just like all the above. Shoka
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Speaker 1: told her I didn't o her anymore. That's what happened.
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Speaker 1: Whatever somebody to get up or okay, did she says?
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Speaker 1: She said something like you were hurting the baby or
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Speaker 1: something before that, because like when I was ellen here
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Speaker 1: it was kind of like a round her place. I
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Speaker 1: do why did you get on her? I just got
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Speaker 1: from you got on the bed, that's just going to come?
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Speaker 1: Is it? So she would listen to you? I felt like, mean,
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Speaker 1: she could quite listen to you just laying beside her,
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Speaker 1: but I caught on top of her. And every time
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Speaker 1: I think about it, I'm just like, did I know
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Speaker 1: I was gonna do that before I got on offer? Really,
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Speaker 1: that's an interesting thought, Chris. You don't know what you did,
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Speaker 1: just like I don't. Everything happened on more here. I
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Speaker 1: just got I don't know, Like I'm trying to go
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Speaker 1: back in my head, and I'm just like, I didn't
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Speaker 1: even want to do this, but I didn't. I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to, but I did so. To Ellen Ka Lauren,
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, it's my understanding that
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Speaker 1: when Shenanne Watts's parents first heard everything that he had
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Speaker 1: said in this confession, they actually got sick. Yeah, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: the details that we all heard, including Shannan's family, are
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Speaker 1: just absolutely harrowing. And I think that Frankie Russac's chance
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Speaker 1: Shannon's brothers said, it's best. It's just worse than we thought.
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Speaker 1: Here is our friend doctor Phil speaking away Shanan's parents.
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Speaker 1: When she had come home. There was a little bit
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Speaker 1: of an argument. It went away. They supposedly were intimate.
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Speaker 1: They went to sleep, he got up for work at
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Speaker 1: four thirty, went downstairs. He came back up, and the argument,
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Speaker 1: I guess started all over again, her saying, you know,
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Speaker 1: she knows she was cheating on her, to the effect
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Speaker 1: of he would never see his kids again. And with
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Speaker 1: that he jumped on her and he strangled her, wrapped
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Speaker 1: her in a blanket, and at that time Bella walked
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Speaker 1: in the room and asked him what was going on
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Speaker 1: at mommy, and he said, she was sick. We got
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Speaker 1: to take her to the doctors. And then he took
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Speaker 1: her downstairs and put her in the garage. He put
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Speaker 1: her in a truck, put the two children in a truck,
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Speaker 1: drove himself his forty five minutes, but ever took him
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Speaker 1: to get to the well site. So very very sorry.
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Speaker 1: And so there's a medical report now that confirms that absolutely.
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Speaker 1: So we know now that the baby was alive and
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Speaker 1: the baby was Chris's. Yes, so we have three children
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Speaker 1: murdered here, not two, that's right. And of course we
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Speaker 1: also know to Joseus Scott Morgan, forensics expert at Checksvill
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Speaker 1: State University, that when Shenan was murdered or buried, she
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Speaker 1: actually had Coffin birth explain. At that point in time, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: her body would have decomposed to the point where the
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Speaker 1: tension would have released on the baby that was containing
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Speaker 1: the baby within the body, and the baby was essentially
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Speaker 1: expelled into the space in which she was buried. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to let that sink in what you
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Speaker 1: just said. We heard our friend doctor Phil speaking with
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Speaker 1: Shenanne's dad. Let's compare what he said to the killer
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Speaker 1: dad Chris Watts's own confession in a Wisconsin maximum security facility.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know what was going on. It's like it
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Speaker 1: was like a traumatic I don't know what you call it,
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Speaker 1: traumatic event type and play everything and like I was shaking.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know what had happened. I didn't know what
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Speaker 1: to do. I didn't know what I had done. I
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Speaker 1: still wouldn't that right state of mind. I don't think
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Speaker 1: like like I wasn't control of what I could think
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Speaker 1: of what I could do at that point in time.
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Speaker 1: And most people say, like, well, I just called nine
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Speaker 1: one one. I was like, unless you're in that situation,
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Speaker 1: you don't you don't know you don't know what you
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Speaker 1: would have done. It's easily played one day morning quarterback.
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Speaker 1: I agree with that. I should happened next I look
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Speaker 1: at run it so appen build name it unless she
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Speaker 1: said did you hear or something, because that's obviously if
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Speaker 1: I think, Okay, what up? I don't feel good? I
23:00
Speaker 1: did that nothing whatever? He says, quote, I didn't know
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Speaker 1: what had happened. Well, he just strangled his pregnant wife
23:18
Speaker 1: did and then baby Bella comes in asked what's wrong
23:21
Speaker 1: with mommy? And he says, mommy doesn't feel good? I
23:25
Speaker 1: think right there. Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, his plan was
23:29
Speaker 1: to also murder the girls because he takes both of
23:34
Speaker 1: them in the car to get rid of her body.
23:37
Speaker 1: What about that, Wendy, Yeah, absolutely. And as far as
23:41
Speaker 1: who said what when, this is what he is relating
23:44
Speaker 1: after he committed all four of the murders that we've
23:47
Speaker 1: been discussing, so that credibility there suspect also, but you're right,
23:50
Speaker 1: the fact that he had them with them really only
23:52
Speaker 1: leads to one conclusion, and that's the sad conclusion that
23:55
Speaker 1: we know occurred. It just makes the timeline make more
23:58
Speaker 1: sense logically, even though pathologically it also makes sense because
24:02
Speaker 1: this narcissistic fueled murder spree as described by him, this
24:08
Speaker 1: isn't something we're speculating about, really does put everyone in
24:12
Speaker 1: exactly where you would expect them to be if the
24:14
Speaker 1: multiple murder was his plan all along. And there's no
24:17
Speaker 1: way he can now argue this was a crime of
24:19
Speaker 1: passion to get a reduced charge of voluntary manslaughter versus murder,
24:24
Speaker 1: because listen to Chris Watts, the Killer Dad, in his
24:28
Speaker 1: own words, listen to I just felt like it was
24:35
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say it feel like I
24:36
Speaker 1: had to. I just felt like there was already something
24:38
Speaker 1: in my mind that was the planet I was going
24:39
Speaker 1: to do it. And then I woke up that morning
24:41
Speaker 1: how it's going to happen, And I had no control
24:43
Speaker 1: of him. He never had about report. It was just
24:46
Speaker 1: like I don't want like like like just like in
24:50
Speaker 1: the sentensing here that proscuer said, it takes two to
24:54
Speaker 1: four minutes or something might have happened. Why can I
24:57
Speaker 1: just let go? I didn't orders feeling like his in
25:03
Speaker 1: motion and you just couldn't stop it, just like I
25:07
Speaker 1: don't even want to know? Is where she said to do.
25:11
Speaker 1: Look at her before she's doing so. I think she
25:20
Speaker 1: wasn't fighting. She was praying, wrighting to Ellen kilaurin. Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigated reporters. Did I hear that right?
25:31
Speaker 1: Why was it she fighting? Maybe she was praying? Did
25:33
Speaker 1: he just say that? Get to hear that right, Nancy.
25:37
Speaker 1: That's one of Chris Watt's explanation for why what Shannon
25:41
Speaker 1: was doing his exhausted, pregnant wife, um and during the
25:46
Speaker 1: two to four minutes that it had to have taken
25:49
Speaker 1: for him to take her life, she wasn't fighting back.
25:53
Speaker 1: She had her eyes closed, and he thought maybe she
25:56
Speaker 1: was praying for his forgiveness, is what he said. Because
26:01
Speaker 1: it's always about him, you know, I know that there
26:05
Speaker 1: is a personality disorder. I guess it would be narcissism.
26:09
Speaker 1: You're the shrink doctor, Brian Russell, not me, of course.
26:13
Speaker 1: Narcissism comes from Narcissus, the Greek demigod who fell in
26:20
Speaker 1: the person that fell in love with his own reflection Narcissus.
26:25
Speaker 1: So that's not an actual insanity defense. Would you say
26:30
Speaker 1: that's what his issue is, Brian. Narcissism is the personality
26:35
Speaker 1: trait that is at the core of every psychopath and sociopath.
26:42
Speaker 1: And so if you if you break down their person,
26:46
Speaker 1: if you peel the onion, you get to the center.
26:49
Speaker 1: That's the trait that's there. That is the personality trait
26:53
Speaker 1: that gives rise to all of the other behaviors that
26:58
Speaker 1: they do. That the extreme of entitlement, the depravity and
27:02
Speaker 1: absence of empathy, the inclination and the willingness to do
27:08
Speaker 1: whatever it takes, whatever they want to get whatever feeling,
27:12
Speaker 1: whatever thing, whatever person they feel like having at the moment,
27:17
Speaker 1: regardless of the impact on other people, And to really
27:20
Speaker 1: treat other people as as you and I would treat
27:24
Speaker 1: an object a piece of property that we own, that
27:29
Speaker 1: if it tried to get up and leave us, we
27:31
Speaker 1: would feel we would feel upset because it belongs to us.
27:36
Speaker 1: And yet if we didn't want it anymore, we would
27:38
Speaker 1: toss it aside in the trash and not think about
27:40
Speaker 1: it again. That's how they think of people. Nan Bella
27:45
Speaker 1: left throughout there, just come back like somebody has ard.
27:51
Speaker 1: Please bring her back. I need to see everybody. Did
27:54
Speaker 1: he sound worried? Now? I didn't give a flying flip,
27:57
Speaker 1: I said, Chris, you know, I said, I don't think
27:58
Speaker 1: he should do any media. I said, I'm you're the
28:02
Speaker 1: last one to have seen them, so I don't think
28:04
Speaker 1: you should. And yet he did. I thank god he
28:07
Speaker 1: did it. I thank god in heaven that he didn't
28:10
Speaker 1: listen to me. In that interview, Chris admits he and
28:13
Speaker 1: Chanan had exchanged words before she disappeared. It wasn't like
28:17
Speaker 1: an argument. We had emotional conversation, but I'll leave it
28:20
Speaker 1: at that. In the weeks before Shanan went missing, she
28:23
Speaker 1: expressed great concern that her marriage was falling apart, sending
28:27
Speaker 1: Chris text messages like this one. If you are done,
28:30
Speaker 1: don't love me, don't want to work this out, not
28:33
Speaker 1: happy anymore, and only staying because of kids. I need
28:36
Speaker 1: you to tell me. I'm not just staying because of
28:39
Speaker 1: the kids. They're in my light and that will not change.
28:42
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's in my head. She just told
28:45
Speaker 1: me that Chris said he wasn't happy anymore and that
28:49
Speaker 1: she didn't know what was wrong. But you're hearing our
28:52
Speaker 1: friend at ABC's Nightline. That's Emmy Robot speaking with Chanane's mom.
28:58
Speaker 1: I wonder what Bella and Celeste went through. Joining me
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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigator reporter Ellen, Ki, Laura and Ellen.
29:06
Speaker 1: What do we know? What we know is really really awful.
29:10
Speaker 1: What we know now is that Bella and Celeste were
29:15
Speaker 1: alive for at least an hour after Chris murdered their mother.
29:20
Speaker 1: They traveled in a truck with Chris and their mother's
29:25
Speaker 1: dead body for forty five minutes to an hour to
29:28
Speaker 1: an oil field. Bella and Celeste were sitting in the
29:32
Speaker 1: back of the truck when Chris took China's body and
29:36
Speaker 1: jumped it. Bella was sitting next to her little sister
29:40
Speaker 1: when Chris Watts strangled Celeste or Cecie as her family
29:45
Speaker 1: called her, and she was still alive when Chris Watts
29:49
Speaker 1: put Cecie into an oil tank, and then she said
29:53
Speaker 1: to her father, is the same thing going to happen
29:56
Speaker 1: to me? And it did. It's just so hard for
29:59
Speaker 1: me to tell. In that evil we also are learning
30:04
Speaker 1: that Chris Watts goes to great pains to deny he's
30:09
Speaker 1: having an affair with a gay escort, now a second
30:13
Speaker 1: man claiming to have had a relationship with him after
30:17
Speaker 1: meeting and rehab He's going to great efforts to go no, no, no, no, no,
30:22
Speaker 1: I've never been with a man you know, that is
30:26
Speaker 1: the least of his concerns. Why is he so concerned
30:29
Speaker 1: about that doctor Brian Russell? Who cares who he had
30:33
Speaker 1: an affair with. I care about Nan and Bella and Celeste.
30:38
Speaker 1: I don't care who he was with. I care about
30:41
Speaker 1: the fact he murdered them. And he's so worried about
30:44
Speaker 1: what people may think of him sexually. Well, yeah, again,
30:48
Speaker 1: I think it's a nice illustration. I mean, it's sad,
30:51
Speaker 1: but it's a good illustration of the fact that he's
30:55
Speaker 1: concerned about how he's coming off in the store, and
31:01
Speaker 1: in a way that he apparently thinks is is uh,
31:05
Speaker 1: you know, we'd be degrading to him as a man
31:08
Speaker 1: or whatever when and and and it's you know, if
31:11
Speaker 1: it weren't so sad, it would almost be comical that
31:14
Speaker 1: he's concerned about how he comes off in that regard.
31:19
Speaker 1: And yet we're talking about the murders of his wife
31:25
Speaker 1: and children. You know, I'm thinking a lot about what
31:28
Speaker 1: ek Ellen Colora was talking about, what Bella and Celeste
31:32
Speaker 1: endured riding along for up to an hour with their
31:36
Speaker 1: mom's dead body after she had defecated it all over
31:39
Speaker 1: the sheets. She was dead, wrapped up in the bed
31:43
Speaker 1: sheets in the car with them as they drove an
31:47
Speaker 1: hour to the Anadarko oil fields. Take a listen to
31:52
Speaker 1: our friend doctor Phil with Shenanne's parents. And then he
31:56
Speaker 1: came back to the truck and Bella had said to
31:59
Speaker 1: her father, You're not going to do that to me
32:01
Speaker 1: what you did to Cec? Are you? Daddy? Hello was
32:05
Speaker 1: still in the back of the truck. Of life. Something
32:07
Speaker 1: would happened, man, She said, what happened to Cec? First? Yes,
32:12
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. What's that? The same thing that
32:16
Speaker 1: happened to me at sec And then he took her life.
32:19
Speaker 1: It's worse and we even thought we thought the worst. Ye,
32:22
Speaker 1: well we heard already. You know, we had no idea.
32:24
Speaker 1: It was way worse than this. I'm so very very sorry. Well,
32:29
Speaker 1: there's your grandfather. I can't imagine. Those are my grandchildren.
32:33
Speaker 1: I love that they were mine. I cry all the time.
32:37
Speaker 1: There's many times that I just feel like getting up.
32:41
Speaker 1: If it wasn't forgot, it wouldn't get here. You hear
32:45
Speaker 1: Shann's family crying in tears as they speak to doctor Phil,
32:51
Speaker 1: back to Chris Watts, to killer Dad. We're getting a
32:53
Speaker 1: look inside of his brain. Take a listen to this.
32:57
Speaker 1: I look outside what we're doing right now, right now,
33:07
Speaker 1: I have a five year old or three year older son.
33:14
Speaker 1: Now it's just me, me, me, me. I could have
33:17
Speaker 1: had a son, I could have had these children. I
33:19
Speaker 1: could have had a beautiful wife. It's all about him,
33:23
Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick again, Yeah, I'll tell you what, Nancy, this
33:26
Speaker 1: really is one of those things where the consistency with
33:29
Speaker 1: this narcissistic trade is almost stunning. There so far hasn't
33:33
Speaker 1: been anything about remorse about Gosh. I wish that I
33:36
Speaker 1: didn't put them through it. I mean an hour drive
33:39
Speaker 1: for those girls, as you pointed out, with their mother's
33:41
Speaker 1: body in the back. I mean that alone is almost
33:44
Speaker 1: stunning and taught in terms of just the emotional confusion
33:47
Speaker 1: and terror and trauma. I mean, to not even have
33:50
Speaker 1: thought what he put everybody else through. It really is stunning,
33:53
Speaker 1: you know. To you Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics at
33:57
Speaker 1: Jackson State University and author, jose why is it so
34:01
Speaker 1: important that we know the timeline, that we know the
34:06
Speaker 1: facts as fully as possible, Because bottom line, we know
34:11
Speaker 1: Chris Watts murdered his wife, his two little girls, his
34:14
Speaker 1: unborn son. We know that, So why is it critical
34:18
Speaker 1: that we can develop this timeline and the facts. Well,
34:23
Speaker 1: you have to be able to pare these things up
34:25
Speaker 1: and marry them up relative to the sequence of how
34:30
Speaker 1: this all went down. Looking at all of this in totality,
34:35
Speaker 1: one of the things I have a major problem with.
34:37
Speaker 1: I've had people in the media that have come to me.
34:39
Speaker 1: I've had people just you know, in the general public
34:42
Speaker 1: that have tried to I don't know, alibi or give
34:46
Speaker 1: some reason for why Chris Watts did what he did.
34:50
Speaker 1: The big problem I have here is they say that, well,
34:52
Speaker 1: it was a spontaneous event that he killed his wife. No,
34:57
Speaker 1: that all of that aside. I have to say that
34:59
Speaker 1: this is something that he had planned for a protracted
35:02
Speaker 1: period of time. He was just waiting for the right
35:04
Speaker 1: time to trigger. He knew, he knew specifically what it
35:08
Speaker 1: was like to take the life of his wife. It
35:11
Speaker 1: was a visceral event. He was on top of her,
35:13
Speaker 1: he choked her out. Now he puts the body in
35:15
Speaker 1: the truck. He has a window forty five minutes to
35:18
Speaker 1: fifty five minutes to think all of this through his mind,
35:22
Speaker 1: to put this in the process, to get out to
35:25
Speaker 1: those oil fields, at which time he could have said
35:29
Speaker 1: he calls no joy and says, hey, I'm not going
35:31
Speaker 1: to do this any longer. I'm gonna throw my hands
35:34
Speaker 1: up and let these children live. He decided not to.
35:36
Speaker 1: He premeditated this event, got them out there, and kill
35:40
Speaker 1: them after they arrived at the oil fields, and also
35:45
Speaker 1: dodgor Brian Russell, host of Id's Fatal, vows the reality
35:48
Speaker 1: is that under the law intent, premeditation can be formed
35:54
Speaker 1: in a twinkling of the eye. You could do that
35:56
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat. Another thing I think is interesting about
35:59
Speaker 1: this is when you listen to this confession, it does
36:03
Speaker 1: not sound like the person giving it is having a
36:08
Speaker 1: hard time give It doesn't even sound very difficult or
36:11
Speaker 1: really difficult at all for him to tell this story.
36:16
Speaker 1: You know, it almost sounds like he is he's in
36:20
Speaker 1: a situation now where you know, he doesn't really have
36:24
Speaker 1: any hope left of living the life that he was
36:27
Speaker 1: trying to create for himself by committing these crimes, and
36:30
Speaker 1: so the way to sort of keep himself the center
36:33
Speaker 1: of attention, to sort of, uh, you know, keep the
36:37
Speaker 1: spotlight on him, is to tell this story. And it
36:41
Speaker 1: almost sounds to me like at some points he's sort
36:44
Speaker 1: of enjoying the way that he's sort of matter of
36:48
Speaker 1: factly relates this and probably you know, looks into the
36:52
Speaker 1: eyes of the questioners and sees the shock there, sees
36:56
Speaker 1: the shock value that he's delivering, and take some kind
37:00
Speaker 1: of a pleasure in that. It's it's it's it's awful,
37:05
Speaker 1: it's it's just a depth of evil that I hope
37:08
Speaker 1: nobody listening ever sees in their own life. Hey, Nancy,
37:11
Speaker 1: one other point, if I, if I could make it,
37:14
Speaker 1: out of all of these victims, Bella, she's the one
37:17
Speaker 1: that questions him at the oil field according to what
37:20
Speaker 1: he's saying. And in addition to that, out of all
37:23
Speaker 1: of these, she is the one that is demonstrating, through
37:26
Speaker 1: what remains of her body that she fought back. She
37:30
Speaker 1: had some horrific injuries to her mouth, She struggled with
37:34
Speaker 1: her dad as he's placing this blanket over her face.
37:37
Speaker 1: He's holding her hand, his hand over the blanket and
37:40
Speaker 1: cutting off her airway. She fought back in the midst
37:43
Speaker 1: of this horrible, horrible, just tragedy that's going on, and
37:48
Speaker 1: still he didn't have the depth to show mercy and
37:51
Speaker 1: all of this our prayers with the family of Nan.
37:55
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,