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Bonus Episode: Crime and Grime in 1977 NYC, Great Music Cities, CBGB Qu'est-ce que c'est? · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: bonus episode A Little Thing we like to call the
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  Speaker 1: one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard
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  Speaker 1: to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we
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  Speaker 1: are talking about nineteen seventy seven in New York City.
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  Speaker 1: It's the greatest time and place to be alive ever
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  Speaker 1: in the history of humanity. I'm not sure we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get into that because we are also talking about
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  Speaker 1: talking Heads, which were featured in this week's full episode
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  Speaker 1: of Disgraceland, And of course we're going to get into
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  Speaker 1: some of the research that helped us put that episode together.
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  Speaker 1: As always, your voicemails, your text, and a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy seven New York City talking Heads release what
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  Speaker 1: becomes their first hit, Psycho Killer, which may or may
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  Speaker 1: not have been intentionally written about serial killer David berker
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  Speaker 1: Witz aka the son of Sam, who was in that
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  Speaker 1: very year of nineteen seventy seven, terrorizing New Yorkers like
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  Speaker 1: the Psycho Killer that he was. Psycho Killer was a perfect,
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  Speaker 1: perfect song for the time. Okay, guys, the lyric of course,
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  Speaker 1: Kess Curse all that. The tune, it's just the way
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  Speaker 1: it feels, the way it sounds. It's super tight. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean I mean that in like a tense way.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean it in like it was played tight
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  Speaker 1: and everybody played together. This is a ton of tension
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  Speaker 1: in the way that that song feels, just like there
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  Speaker 1: was a ton of tension in the summer of nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy seven in New York City, major part of nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy seven, not just the summer, the summer got really
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  Speaker 1: fucked up, but really all of nineteen seventy seven in
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  Speaker 1: New York. The song, of course, like I mentioned, it's
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  Speaker 1: got that weird French hook that gives it this bit
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  Speaker 1: of sophistication. You know, it makes it oh so Trey
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  Speaker 1: New York cycle Killer kes Cerse that hook blaring from
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  Speaker 1: New York City car stereo speakers, transistor radios, boomboxes, that hook,
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  Speaker 1: that kes Cersey. It's it was I got to think
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  Speaker 1: embedded in the subconscious of now Rogers and Bernard Edwards
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  Speaker 1: from the band Chic, who at that exact moment in time,
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  Speaker 1: right when Cycle Killer's out there permeating you know the subconscious.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said of New Yorkers, it's being blasted through
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  Speaker 1: speakers everywhere. Those two dudes, now Rogers and Bernard Edwards
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  Speaker 1: from Chic are sitting down to write their first hit
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  Speaker 1: that also included a sophisticated bit of En Francis in
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  Speaker 1: the hook, but with one hundred percent less irony, and
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  Speaker 1: they give us they freak say Chic. It's just a
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  Speaker 1: reminder that Psycho Killer nailed the moment. Okay, nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: seven New York City, possibly one of the greatest moments
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  Speaker 1: in human history when it comes to the creation of
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  Speaker 1: great music. So much societal drama leading to so much
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  Speaker 1: incredible music. You've got, like I mentioned, the son of
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  Speaker 1: Sam running around randomly shooting women. The forty four caliber
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  Speaker 1: killer as he was called, shot and killed six people,
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  Speaker 1: wounded eleven, and freaked everybody out in the process. New
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  Speaker 1: York City was scared, and some of you were there,
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  Speaker 1: and you can speak about this with more insight than
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  Speaker 1: I can. I'm only going off of the books that
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  Speaker 1: I've read, the documentaries that I've watched, some people that
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  Speaker 1: I've spoken to, of course, the music that I've listened to,
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  Speaker 1: and even the movies, Son of Sam, the Summer of Sam.
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  Speaker 1: I should say, the Spike Lee film really kind of
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  Speaker 1: nails it in a Spike Lee kind of way. But
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  Speaker 1: during that time, like I said, you got burker WIT's
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  Speaker 1: running around. You also have there's no Internet, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but the tabloid newspapers they have the attention of everybody.
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  Speaker 1: They're piling onto this whole, this whole serial killer thing
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  Speaker 1: that's happening. In part they're trying to draw the killer out,
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  Speaker 1: but they're also of course stoking all this fear with
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  Speaker 1: their sensation of this headlines and their NonStop coverage. New
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  Speaker 1: York City itself literally a mess, okay, trash everywhere. New
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  Speaker 1: York City's broke. New York City can't afford to pay
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  Speaker 1: its city workers, so the garbage workers just stopped working.
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  Speaker 1: They went on strike, and the trash piled up everywhere
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  Speaker 1: on street corners. Like look at the pictures, go back
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  Speaker 1: Google pictures from New York City in nineteen seventy seven.
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  Speaker 1: This trash everywhere. And I'm not talking about just like
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  Speaker 1: you know, candy wrappers blowing down the street. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about piles and piles of garbage on street corners. So
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  Speaker 1: you get that going on the Bronx. Huge part of
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  Speaker 1: New York City was on fire again, literally on fire,
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  Speaker 1: large swaths of worthless real estate burning nightly, huge buildings
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  Speaker 1: being burnt to the ground, set a flame largely by
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  Speaker 1: landlords looking to get out from under bad real estate
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  Speaker 1: investments through fire insurance scams. Just crazy stuff happening in
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  Speaker 1: seventy seven and close by, also in the Bronx nearby
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  Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium, massive drama playing out all summer and all
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  Speaker 1: fall between their egomaniac star Reggie Jackson, their old school
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  Speaker 1: manager Billy Martin, and megalomaniac owner George Steinbrenner. Every night,
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  Speaker 1: every night, it seemed, there's all this drama.
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  Speaker 2: Playing out everywhere at a Yankee Stadium aka the Bronx, Zoo, benchings, brawls, beamball,
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  Speaker 2: all of it. As the Yankees are scrapping their way
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  Speaker 2: to their twenty first World Series win championship. I should say,
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  Speaker 2: hurts me to say they had to go through the
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  Speaker 2: Red Sox to get there. I haven't even mentioned all this,
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  Speaker 2: all this, and I haven't even mentioned the blackout yet. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: just imagine the city you live in right now, or
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  Speaker 2: the town or whatever the state. Imagine where you're at
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  Speaker 2: and imagine everything I just mentioned. You got a serial killer,
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  Speaker 2: you have garbage piling up, you have buildings burning, you
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  Speaker 2: have the tabloids going crazy, you have this insane baseball
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  Speaker 2: thing that's happening, this baseball team that's captured the imagination
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  Speaker 2: of everybody.
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  Speaker 1: And then in the middle of all that, the lights
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  Speaker 1: go out everywhere, literally all the electricity. It's the summer,
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  Speaker 1: it's sweltering out. It's so hot, no air conditioners, no lights.
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  Speaker 1: Just imagine that. Okay, right in the middle of a
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  Speaker 1: heat wave. Can you imagine how freaked out you would be? Insanity? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there were more fires. Of course, there's looting when the
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  Speaker 1: blackout happens, more riots, three hundred million dollars in damages,
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  Speaker 1: Businesses get destroyed, people's homes get destroyed. So my point
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  Speaker 1: is that psycho killer by Talking Heads, we get into
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  Speaker 1: it in this episode on Talking Heads. It just I've
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  Speaker 1: thought about the subject a lot in my life, but
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  Speaker 1: this episode really really made me think about it again. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this incredible mix of activity, of human drama, of human failure, murders, garbage, arson, egos,
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  Speaker 1: huge personalities, serial killers, blackouts, looting, violence, all of it
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  Speaker 1: contributed to quite possibly the greatest music of all time.
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  Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy seven didn't just inspire Cycle Killer by the
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  Speaker 1: Talking Heads, which came out in December of that year,
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  Speaker 1: fully steeped in all the chaos of the twelve months prior,
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  Speaker 1: but consider the music released in nineteen seventy eight by
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  Speaker 1: New Yorkers and New York adjacent artists. Okay, I understand
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to mention some artists here that aren't from
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  Speaker 1: New York, but we're definitely in and around New York
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven, taking in all of this influence
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  Speaker 1: and putting it into the music that they released in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, Blondies Parallel Lines Album, Bruce Springsteen's Darkness
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  Speaker 1: on the Edge of Town, Billy Joel's fifty Second Street,
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  Speaker 1: Ramones Rode to Ruin, and of course The Rolling Stones
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  Speaker 1: one of the greatest New York albums of all time.
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  Speaker 1: Some Girls. Okay, and again, I know it's written by Brits,
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  Speaker 1: but it is about as New York of a record
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  Speaker 1: as you're going to get. And I haven't even yet
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  Speaker 1: mentioned anything about how nineteen seventy seven also inspired an
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  Speaker 1: entire new genre of music, and I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 1: punk rock. I'm talking about hip hop. Okay, punk rock.
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  Speaker 1: The roots of punk rock started much earlier, late sixties
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  Speaker 1: with the Stooges and Velvet Underground and early seventies with
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  Speaker 1: the New York Dolls, but hip hop comes later in
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  Speaker 1: seventy seven, is part, very much part of the time
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  Speaker 1: where that spark, that first atomic bomb of influence happens.
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  Speaker 1: The Bronx might have been burning, but it was also
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  Speaker 1: a cauldron of inspiration cooking up a whole new kind
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  Speaker 1: of music that in nineteen seventy eight resulted in Music
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  Speaker 1: Obsessive's first hearing about the likes of DJ Coolhirk, The
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  Speaker 1: Treacherous Three, the Cold Crush Brothers, all hip hop pioneers
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  Speaker 1: from New York who would go on to build a
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  Speaker 1: genre that would completely change the music industry for the
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  Speaker 1: next half century. That all started in nineteen seventy seven
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  Speaker 1: and New York City. It gave us talking head cycle
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  Speaker 1: Killer featured in this week's episode of Disgrace, but it
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  Speaker 1: also gave us so much more. Has there ever been
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  Speaker 1: a time in place that's been more influential on music
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  Speaker 1: than New York City in nineteen seventy seven. I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm thinking, and I'm having a hard
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  Speaker 1: time coming up with something. If there is, what is it?
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  Speaker 1: Is it Seattle in the nineties, Is it La in
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  Speaker 1: the eighties? Is it Tapanga Canyon in the sixties? Detroit
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  Speaker 1: in the sixties, motown all that? Does anything compete with
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  Speaker 1: New York City in nineteen seventy seven. Get at me
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  Speaker 1: in the Patreon chat, let me know. We'll chop it
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  Speaker 1: up in the chain. Or you can hit me up
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  Speaker 1: at this gray lampod on Instagram, on x on Facebook,
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  Speaker 1: you can call me, send me a text, let me know,
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  Speaker 1: let me know what? What is the time? In place? Again?
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  Speaker 1: That's better than New York in nineteen seventy seven? Is
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  Speaker 1: as Seattle in the nineties? Is at La in the eighties?
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  Speaker 1: Is a Topega Canny in the sixties? Detroit in the sixties?
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  Speaker 1: Is anything compared with New York City in nineteen seventy seven?
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  Speaker 1: What am I forgetting? Let me know? Send me a text,
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  Speaker 1: into it here, guys, I should have mentioned this at
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  Speaker 1: the top. If things sound a little different to you today,
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  Speaker 1: it's because I'm recording in a different place. I'm recording
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  Speaker 1: in this crazy burn. I'm doing a little working vacation
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  Speaker 1: for the next few weeks before my actual vacation, which
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  Speaker 1: means I'm traveling with my family, but I'm working. They're not,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm set up in this barn and it's wild.
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  Speaker 1: I'm on the third floor. I can literally smell hey
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to do this. I don't quite yet know
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  Speaker 1: how it's going to sound in the final mix, but
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  Speaker 1: to me, it feels good, it feels right. I kind
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  Speaker 1: of want to keep talking to you, guys. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to stop. I'm into this, but I just wanted
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  Speaker 1: Sources for this week's episode. This is the thing we've
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  Speaker 1: been talking about recently, in like the last six months,
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  Speaker 1: in these after party episodes, have been making a point
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the sources and the source material. I
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  Speaker 1: think this is something that a large part of you
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  Speaker 1: care about. We talked a lot before about recommendations about
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  Speaker 1: books and music and television, and this gives you a
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  Speaker 1: good insight into the books and music and television that
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  Speaker 1: directly contributes to the making of these episodes. We approached
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  Speaker 1: this story with the idea for this episode to kind
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  Speaker 1: of tell them a and B story of eco way
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  Speaker 1: between David Byrne and the Talking Heads and David Berkowitz
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  Speaker 1: aka the son of Sam to Dave's Too, Dave's to
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  Speaker 1: David's I should say, we wanted to show how some
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  Speaker 1: of their similar characteristics like maniacal focus, ego, unique writing style,
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  Speaker 1: trouble relating with other people. Sorry, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm laughing. I shouldn't be. We wanted to show how
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  Speaker 1: those unique and similar characteristics could be channeled toward, in
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  Speaker 1: one case, creativity and in the other case destruction. David Byrne,
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  Speaker 1: of course, was able to find his community and creative outlet,
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  Speaker 1: his quirks, his drive, his focus, all the weird character
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  Speaker 1: traits that make up David Byrne made him famous. And
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  Speaker 1: David Berkerwitz wasn't quite able to find that connection that
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  Speaker 1: he felt he was cut off from in society, and
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  Speaker 1: he channeled his rage and his focus and his lack
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  Speaker 1: of connection toward destroying the world that rejected him, or
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  Speaker 1: at least trying to.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: We used a bunch of books for this one, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: both for the true crime angle and for the music angle. First,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk true crime in world building. There's a great book, great, great, great,
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  Speaker 1: great great book. I read it long before I started disgracing,
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  Speaker 1: called Ladies and Gentlemen, The Bronx Is Burning nineteen seventy seven.
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  Speaker 1: Baseball politics in the Battle for the Soul of a
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  Speaker 1: City by Jonathan If you guys wanted an expansion on
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  Speaker 1: what I was talking about at the beginning of this episode.
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  Speaker 1: This is the book to go to. It perfectly encapsulates
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  Speaker 1: and expands on everything I just mentioned. It even gets
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  Speaker 1: more into the music. It's everything. I remember my dad
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  Speaker 1: recommended this book to me, and he was like, it's
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  Speaker 1: everything you love. It's baseball, it's punk rock, and it's politics.
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  Speaker 1: Get into it. I don't love politics, but I'm interested
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  Speaker 1: in history. I think that's what he meant, and this
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  Speaker 1: book just nails the fucking history. The fiscal crisis that
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned that New York was going through the subway,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even mention the subway strikes, but the garbage
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  Speaker 1: strikes the Yankees, I didn't mention the Mets. I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of saving the Mets guys for the disgraceland the disco
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  Speaker 1: sports fans out there. There's a nineteen eighty six Mets
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  Speaker 1: episode that I'm about to start researching. But of course,
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  Speaker 1: the birth of punk rock is well covered in this book,
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  Speaker 1: as is Studio fifty four, which I did not mention.
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  Speaker 1: Spike Lee's Summer of Sam does an amazing job at
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  Speaker 1: melding all of these different elements as well that made
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  Speaker 1: up the world of New York in nineteen seventy seven,
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  Speaker 1: especially the disco piece of it, and sort of this
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  Speaker 1: part of disco that doesn't get a lot of historical traction,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like Spike Lead nailed it, and it's
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  Speaker 1: so weird that sorry for speaking slowly here, I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to trying to articulate this in the best way. There's
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  Speaker 1: this thing in Summer of Sam where disco has permeated
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  Speaker 1: the working class outer burrows of Manhattan. Of course that's
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  Speaker 1: part of Saturday Night Fever. It's a huge piece of it.
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  Speaker 1: But I think nowadays, aside from Saturday Night Fever, when
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  Speaker 1: we think of disco, we think of sort of like
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  Speaker 1: the elite Manhattan Studio fifty four version of it, and
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  Speaker 1: you really get into the working class character element of
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  Speaker 1: disco with Spike Lee's storytelling your great film. If you
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen it, check that out as well. We also
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  Speaker 1: so for the true crime side of this, we looked
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  Speaker 1: at this book called The Ultimate Evil, The Search for
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  Speaker 1: the Sons of Sam by Mary Terry. This gets into
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  Speaker 1: some admittedly pretty bonkers conspiracy theories that we didn't we
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  Speaker 1: didn't really touch upon in this episode, including speculation that
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  Speaker 1: David Berkowitz did not act alone. If anybody wants to
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  Speaker 1: sidebar that in Patreon, I'm happy to talk about it
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  Speaker 1: and happy to hear your theories, happy to hear why
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  Speaker 1: you might believe in this conspiracy theory here that David
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  Speaker 1: Berkowitz did not act alone. But a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: details that we use that have been exhaustively researched come
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  Speaker 1: from this book, this Mariy Terry book. He was a
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  Speaker 1: reporter for the New York Post, and this book was
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  Speaker 1: the inspiration for the Netflix series The Sons of Sam
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  Speaker 1: A Descent into Darkness, which we can recommend as well. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: I can't get enough of this era in nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: seven in New York City. If I haven't mentioned any books, documentaries, films,
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  Speaker 1: even records, anything from this era that you guys think
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  Speaker 1: I might be interested in, jump into the Patreon chat.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about it there, Let's share some links. You
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  Speaker 3: some weird ones for you.
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  Speaker 1: I've got Tornado O'Connor, would be a good and interesting
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  Speaker 1: one to kind of look.
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  Speaker 3: Into Marky Mark and the Punky Munch, just.
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  Speaker 1: Because Marky Mark is kind of a piece of shit
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  Speaker 1: and the I don't think people know that. And then
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  Speaker 1: also Chris Cross, Chris Cross has a cavity.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Thank fights, Lisa, thank you so much. Thanks for your
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  Speaker 1: new listenership out there, all the way out there in Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Shnead O'Connor. Yes, that would be a
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  Speaker 1: very interesting one, a very sad one. I'm hesitant to
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  Speaker 1: dig into that. I'm in a good headspace, Lisa. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I'm feeling good. It's the summer. Things
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  Speaker 1: are a little bit stressful, but you know that's the
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  Speaker 1: stress I can handle. Got no dark thoughts going on,
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  Speaker 1: no depression lately, guys. I'm feeling good. Shnead O'Connor. Lisa
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  Speaker 1: feels like she's gonna bump me out, though, but being
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  Speaker 1: bummed out by subject matter has never deterred me. In
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  Speaker 1: the past. Just you know, I'm trying to have like
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  Speaker 1: a you know, cool, easy breezy summer here, Lisa. So,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm going to get into Shanad
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  Speaker 1: anytime soon, but perhaps in the future Shnad is on
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  Speaker 1: the list. You'll be happy to know. Chris Cross, however,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: do you mean Christopher Cross? Sailing that Christopher Cross? Or
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: do you mean Chriss Cross? Warm it up, kid, that
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Criss Cross. Let me know who else did you mention?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I can't remember, Lisa callback six one seven, six six
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  Speaker 1: three at callback anytime. Great to have you. Thanks for
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: becoming a newly minted disco all right, who else we
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  Speaker 1: got here? Let's hear from Mike in the eight one two.
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  Speaker 3: Hey Jake, this is Mike from the eight one two
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  Speaker 3: calling to talk about a really good music scene. It's
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  Speaker 3: the one here in my hometown of Bloomington, Indiana. It
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  Speaker 3: stretches way back into the nineteen twenties and thirties. Not
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  Speaker 3: only do we have Hogy Carmichael, but we've got a
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  Speaker 3: few other really amazing people that have come out of
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  Speaker 3: the Bloomington scene. As far as alternative or punk or
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: you know, weirdo music, We've got the MX eighty sound,
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  Speaker 3: We've got the connections to the Zero Boys, and there's
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  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of other really great music that has
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  Speaker 3: come out of Bloomington, Indiana. Does it compare to scenes
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  Speaker 3: like New York or Chicago or Los Angeles, No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: But it's all really really good music. And here's a
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  Speaker 3: shameless plug. If anybody wants to hear more about it,
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  Speaker 3: check out my podcast called Down in Bloomington and you
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  Speaker 3: can find that anywhere where you find your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Rock and roll on Yo, Mike, thanks for the call.
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  Speaker 1: No disrespect to Bloomington, Indiana. But when you're reaching back
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  Speaker 1: to the twenties and thirties for your influences to make
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  Speaker 1: your point, I'm kidding and I'm being as smart ass
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I get you. No disrespect to Hogey Carmichael, all right.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I think Hogy Carmichael shows up in our Miles Davis episode.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've heard that, Mike, but thanks
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  Speaker 1: for the call. Appreciate it. I got nothing but love
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  Speaker 1: for Indiana. I want you to know that gave Boston
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  Speaker 1: Larry Bird. Okay six one seven nine oh six six
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  Speaker 1: six three eight guys, uh from the two to oh
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  Speaker 1: two Detroit is the biggest music city. Good god, Danielle
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: from the two to two, chiming in on the conversation
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  Speaker 1: we've been having here that Mike was talking about two
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  Speaker 1: regarding the greatest music scenes, which cities have spawned them.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Let's see two on one, Rights and you need to
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: do an episode on Robert Johnson. You know I have
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: done an episode on Robert Johnson, and it's in the archive.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It's right there. It's in the Disgrace lad archive two
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  Speaker 1: on one. Go check that out. Guys. This is a problem.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: This is a this is a good problem. It's a
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  Speaker 1: problem I never anticipated I would be having. It's why
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: we do these rewind episodes. We release one archive episode
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: per week on Fridays because new listeners come in and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: we have now over one hundred and fifty episodes or something,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and they're not aware of all the subjects we have
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: covered in the past. So for you two to one,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that Robert Johnson episode one of my PHAs. By the way,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: it's waiting for you at six three six, Rights and man,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I think you did. Bordan je described and explained his
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: past and his present and his feelings so beautifully and
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  Speaker 1: really projected what an awesome human being he was and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: what it was capable of in an awesome way. He
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: had some dark demons a lot of us do, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I think he touched on that perfectly and just strong
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: enough and gently enough to make us all feel all caps.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Jake, love your stories you got at six three six.
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  Speaker 1: That was a tough episode to write, sorted to the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: point I was kind of making light about earlier about
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: having taken on dark subjects. That was a real dark one,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Anthony Bourdina course meant a lot to a lot of people,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: myself included. I never even met the man, but I
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: was touched by everything that he brought into this world.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm glad you liked it. Lots of people
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: texting in here about Detroit. I'm sorry. Detroit's great de
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Troit gave us motown. Detroit gave us the Stooges. Detroit
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: gave us the silver bullet Band. Detroit gave us the
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: White Stripes. Detroit gave us Alice Hoop. Detroit gave us
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  Speaker 1: whom I forgetting, so many more the sites, lots of garage,
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  Speaker 1: great garage rock as well. And you know, I didn't
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: mean to shad on Detroit at all that was not
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: my intent. I love Detroit, I do. I love it
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  Speaker 1: as a city. I think it's one of the great
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  Speaker 1: American cities. I know it's fallen on hard times in
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the past, obviously, but still there's a vibrant part of
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Detroit that exists to this day. Uh And Detroit has
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: given so much to this country, including the music that
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it has generated. So no shade intended at all for Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: Six point seven nine oh six six six three eight,
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  Speaker 1: A lot of text, a lot of voicemails for you,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: this one here eight five nine rites in Jake, all
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: exclamation points. You finally did the Waylan in Lane episodes
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: all all caps and continues with all caps. But we
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: have to pay for him on Patreon. Come on, man,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: yes you do. You don't have to pay for them specifically.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: It's not like you're going into a store and buying
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a record. We have a Patreon where you get an
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: extra for three episode per month. On top of not
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: having any ads in your episodes, on top of having
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: access to this always on chat. And I did not
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: select the Lane Staly episodes in Whyland Jennings episodes, excuse
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  Speaker 1: me to be exclusive for any other reason? Than it
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: just kind of worked out that way. I'm not exactly
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: sure what the thinking was for the programming for what
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: was going to be exclusive this year and what was
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: going to be wide, but yeah, you got to pay
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: five bucks to get a fifth a fifth full Disgraceland
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: episode per month. And give you guys a little context
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: when we started this podcast for the first one, two, three, four,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: four years, five years, five years. For the first five years,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: we only released twenty four episodes per year, and now,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: of course we're releasing five per month sometimes most times, yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: most times, and one of those, yeah, one of those
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  Speaker 1: who get paid for them's the break. But you get
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  Speaker 1: more than that, So I hope you, didget, we got
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  Speaker 1: a lot more coming your way in the exclusive feed.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what I should do. I should probably
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  Speaker 1: talk to you guys a little bit more and get
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: your feedback on which episodes should be should be exclusive,
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  Speaker 1: and should be available everywhere. So you bring up a
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: good point, and I'm gonna think about it. Come back
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  Speaker 1: to you guys. Also, I'll be back in a flash
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  Speaker 1: to you know, talk about some more stuff here in
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  Speaker 1: and as I mentioned at the top of the show,
• 26:43
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• 26:49
  Speaker 1: this Talking Heads episode. It's a crazy story, but we
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: did not get to it in the actual episode, but
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: if you're part of our All Access members club, you
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  Speaker 1: only going to get this extra content here in the
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  Speaker 1: bonus episode, you're going to get that extra full episode
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: like the Lane Stay and Waylon Jennings episodes that we
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: were just discussing. And you're also going to get access
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: to merchandise before anyone else. And we haven't always on
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• 27:24
  Speaker 1: sort of chop it up and talk about whatever we
• 27:26
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  Speaker 4: I will be back in a flash.
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