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• Jason Linkes: Coming up next on back checking the bolts. It's one minute into the overtime. The Canadians are on the power play and Marty, you know, Marty calls a timeout, you know, just a minute into the, in the power play. Glad you mentioned that. Yeah, I thought that was an interesting call. And then it paid off. how important that power play was to Montreal. Yeah. He, you know, he knew they had the momentum. He wanted to keep his big guys out on the line. He could tell they would, they had been cooking all game long on the power play. he's like, you know, if, It doesn't pay off here. Maybe, you know, it's talked about in the media the next day about taking it that early, but he saw a chance where his team had the advantage and he made sure they could do everything they could to take advantage of it. And they did. Welcome to back checking the bolts back checking the bolts is your cup of coffee to get you the latest on the Tampa Bay Lightning. Join host Jason Linkus and the managing editor of raw charge, Justin Godfrey, as they break down the lightning's most recent games and go beyond the highlights. telling you what the box scores didn't. It's time to drop the puck. Well, it's time for the instant reaction podcast. That's right. We're here to break down the Montreal Tampa game one. And I'm sure you all know Montreal was victorious by a score of four to three. was the Montreal power play leading the way with three power play goals. And to break it all down for you, it's raw charges. Justin Godfrey, our insider, my cohost each and every episode that you could read at www.rawcharge.com. Justin, I think he just completed your recap. Give me your quick thoughts right away. Frustrating game. ⁓ The Lightning did a lot of good things tonight, especially compared to some of their past playoff games like the last two years against the Panthers. thought the Lightning played a lot better than what we've seen in the postseason, but there's no moral victories in the playoffs. mean, yes, you can outplay another team at five on five, but you have to pick up the win. And the lightning just didn't do it. It's kind of upsetting that the best part of their game for most of the season, their penalty kill was the one that let him down. mean, that's plain and simple. They just didn't get the job done short handed and you know, Slavkowski just tore him up. mean, three goals, fours goals. That was the difference and lightning struggles at home continue. think they're one in 10 in their last home playoff games. And I believe that's there's yeah. I believe that's not realized the record is that poor. It was bad. It was bad. And then I believe it's their seventh straight overtime loss in the postseason. ⁓ so those two factors, once it went to overtime, you know, you kind of had that dreaded feeling in the back of your mind. And sure enough, you know, they didn't even get out of the first two minutes and Slavkovsky beat Vasilevsky. So yeah, not, ⁓ not the greatest start for the lightning in the, in the, ⁓ in the playoffs, but that being said. Overall, not a horrible game. I do think, you know, like we've talked about, this is going to be a tight series. And for you viewers, it's not going to be healthy for me. As you can see, I'm not the youngest man with the gray in my beard and I don't have the healthiest diet. I don't know if I could take six more games like this. So if Jay has a new co-host by the end of the series, you'll know what has happened. I'll make sure I tell your wife where the health. health insurance or the life insurance policy. Give her my password for my PayPal account or something. I don't know. But yeah, now, know, there's like it's game one would have been nice to win. Yes. But everybody thought this game was going six or seven, you know, this series is going six or seven games and it's going to be like this. I think the entire way. and I both picked Tampa to win in seven. Game one is important, but game one does not dictate everything. remember growing up, the penguins won the cup in 1991. lost the first game in every single series that year. Justin, I want to talk before the game. That's when there was some news out there. Connor geeky was added to the roster and was in the lineup. He's in who's out. So, ⁓ you know, based on their practices prior to the game, ⁓ Looks like Oliver Bjergstraan was the one that was out. Not only did Geky play, but Dominic James made his return to the lineup after not playing since I think the end of February. It was like February 28th, I believe was his last game. So he had a fourth line with basically two players that hadn't played much in the regular season. That being said, I think they did fine. It is interesting that Bjergstraan was scratched after practicing the last two games. ⁓ Don't know if that's a coach's decision. We have seen him healthy scratch down the stretch a little bit. ⁓ so that's going to be something interesting moving forward. ⁓ not so much, you know, five on five play, but also with the power play, cause that makes that first unit pretty much all a little updated shot, you know, team, especially along the fours with Hagel drawing in instead of York strand. Justin geeky did take a crucial penalty in this game. Other than the penalty, did you notice anything else about his game? Positive or negative? I think he played all right. He was kind of moving around there. He was trying to make things happen. He drew a penalty early in the game. was him and James kind of created a turnover and then, um, geeky was tripped up on the entry. So I thought he played him. It was kind of a Connor geeky game. You don't notice him a lot, um, unless he does something bad. Um, unfortunately it was a hooking penalty he took or a slashing penalty, something like that. Um, that led to that late power play goal in the second period for the Canadians. Um, So it'll be interesting to see if he draws back in. thought he had a couple of strong games at the end of the regular season when he was getting some time, but we'll see if he's in there in game two or if it's Scott Sabarin or Bjork String in on that fourth line. Lightning did not leave this game unscathed of injuries. Dominic James looked like he hurt the same ankle early on in the game, but he did come back. Then you had the Josh Anderson effect. He had a goal in the first. He had a disallowed goal and then a questionable hit on Charles Edward de stew. What was your thought on the hit? You see that little chicken wing elbow get thrown. I always call it the Jacob Truba elbow because he's infamous for that. It wasn't quite that bad. It wasn't a bad hit, but I want to get your impression on the hit. He got a two minute minor for charging. Should he have gotten more? Should have gotten anything. I think it was a right call. Like I said, it was right after that disallowed goal. Distu is kind of engaged with Jake Evans behind the Lightning Net already. And then Anderson comes flying in out of nowhere. And honestly, he kind of missed the hit. mean, the bulk of the hit was Anderson into the boards, but he did clip him coming through. Evans kind of had his hands up high on Distu when the hit was made. So I think that's kind of what rattled him up a little bit. You know, it's Josh Anderson. He's going to play on the edge. And he's going to make plays like that. thought it kind of, you know, spiked the, the light and his emotions a little bit. go out, they score on the power play after that. And then Hagel puts him up two to one, 29 seconds after that. really felt that was kind of the turning point in the game a little bit. The lightning were driving play right there, especially after the Hagel goal. And you felt like if they could have made, scored that third goal, they probably win this game. you know, Montreal weather, weather storm a little bit. ⁓ they calmed down, they kind of got their game back and then ended up tying it late in the period and then going on and, ⁓ winning in overtime. So yeah, I, yeah, I thought it was a right call. ⁓ you, you called the major so that she can review it. If there'd been a little bit more solid contact, yeah, then maybe given the five of the misconduct, but I think the officials got it the stew being out of the lineup, they had to play five D for pretty much the last 35 minutes of that game, maybe even a touch more. With the 5D, how did Cooper rotate those five? It was a lot of the top two pairings. If we look at the ice time right now, you know, taking into account the power plays and everything, know, Moser ended up with 22 minutes. Radish was around 23, 24 minutes ago. And then Chernak and McDonough were around 20 to 21 minutes. You know, he kind of, Lillebert rotated in here and there, kind of mixed it up a little bit. I thought he handled it pretty well, but you do kind of get some of that. They're so used to their pairings. could kind of get that a little bit of confusion. So I think that's why he kind of leaned heavily on those top two pairs down the stretch. So it's going be interesting to see who rotates in. If the student can't go, know, Crozier is healthy again. You could flip Lillibird back to the left-hand side, bring in Crozier. think if the student can't go, that's probably what they go with in game two. But we'll have to see how things go over the next two days. how he feels. Justin, we've been hearing that Hedman has started to skate with the team. The last couple of days, apparently he's been in Brandon with the team. there any chance it could be headman if the stew can't go? ⁓ not getting to, ⁓ you know, pretty much Cooper talked about it said, you know, he's going to travel with the team when they go up to Montreal for games three and four, but it didn't sound like he had any indications that he was going to get into the lineup anytime soon. ⁓ there was some footage of him skating at the optional morning skate. You know, he was just kind of through the motions. So I do think he's probably. a ways away, ⁓ probably be looking at towards the end of the series. If he does come back. The story of this game was the power play. Both teams looked exceptional on the power play Montreal with three power play goals, Tampa with two. Let's start with Tampa first. I thought the lightning power play at first when they got the radish goal, Montreal was giving them the points after the radish goal. The power play seemed to run through Jake Gensel. near the goal line area. Do you think that's going to be a strategy for Montreal moving forward to try to nullify the radish bomb from the point? I think the teams that have had success against the lightning power play have pressured Kuturov, they've pressured radish, and they've kind of gone either way to pressure the points for the lightning. So that does open up Gensel down low. When the lightning were struggling early in the year in the playoff, or in the season, I should say with their power play, you know, that was something that turned them around at that point was Gensel's play down low. You you draw a Kuturov a little bit higher up, opens up that space down low and Gensel can either walk out to take the shot or it opens up a lane for him to hit somebody on the far post, which is basically what he did in this game with Hagel getting positioned in front of the net and tapping home the feed from him. If the Lightning can have success with that on the power play, that's going to draw attention back to Gensel, open up some space for Kuturov. The radish goal was kind of a broken play a little bit. There was a broken stick on the play. think Jake Evans didn't have a stick, which opened up some extra lanes, gave radish a little bit more space. It was kind at that point where you, you wondered if the lady were ever going to score again. Cause just prior to his goal, they had rattled one. think they went bar across bar. ⁓ you know, post-crops, the double dig and you're like, good Lord, they're never going to score. But you know, they, kept with it. They, they did really good job with puck possession. I thought on the power play. ⁓ Retrieving pucks, keeping the plate in the zone. And even though they didn't score on their first three, I thought they had some good possession time or get some good looks at the net. So it's a good sign. I mean, this is a team that scored all of two power play goals in five games against the Panthers last year. They got two in their first game. They looked good, which was, you know, something that's important and they generate some chances. Let's not overlook the way Dobrish played in this game. I thought in the first period, he made a couple really key saves. I know there's one on Chernet. I think there's one on McDonough. A couple of defensemen that dropped down lower. No, it was radish. He made a nice save on, that first power play that they had. So, you know, he kind of kept Montreal in the game, let them get the lead. And then, you know, he made the saves when he had to. And yeah, that's a big reason why Montreal won this game. So let's talk about Montreal's power play. Now they had three power play goals. So if costy had all three, I actually didn't think their entries were that crisp. thought Tampa did a pretty good job of. keeping Montreal out of the zone initially on their rushes, but when they did get set up, they were deadly. What did Montreal do against the lightning penalty kill that gave him so many issues? I just really moved the puck with speed. mean, their passing was really crisp once they did get set up. That Demidov pass on I believe is Slavkovsky's, was it his first goal? Yeah, his first power play. I mean, that's a Kuturov-like pass. Demidov's in the slot, basically a high slot. He's looking right at the goalie. It's a no look pass that went past at least two sticks right on Slavkovsky's stick. And he was able one time at home, you know, Vasilevsky almost made the save. His glove was just inches away from knocking that out. But it's, you know, that kind of crisp passing. Same thing on the third power play goal, one early in the third period, you know, it just really nice passing. The Lightning kind of got lost in their coverage a little bit. Moser had kind of lost Slavkovsky a little bit. I think he thought there was a player behind him. So he stayed on that back post, opened up Slavkovsky in a slot and he just beat, you know, Vasily pretty clearly. then, ⁓ same thing on the third one. That was one, it was a really close entry. Kalford makes a nice play, gets it to Hudson who, ⁓ know, slides it down low. And we were talking about before it, I don't think Vasilevsky was ready for the shot. ⁓ he looked a little bit off his line and I think Slavkovsky just kind of, you know, surprised him with a shot, beat him under the arm. right inside the far post. It's a goal scorer's goal. Sometimes you just got to tip your hat to the guy shooting the puck and it's just unfortunate, you know, for the lightning that they just can't seem to get over this overtime hump right now. I thought Vasileski was a little bit surprised, a left-handed shot at the left dot taking that shot. You typically don't see that on a power play, but Hey, like you said, it's a goal scorer's goal. Guys who score goals, they shoot the puck. They know when to put it on net. Justin, I know you mentioned, you thought the turning point was the lightning not being able to capitalize after the hagel goal, but I thought the Slavkowski first goal to make it two, two going into the third period was huge for Montreal after they gave up the lead. And I thought the lightning were starting to press Montreal. were having the better of the play on five on five. They really took it to Montreal until that power play in Slavkowski scoring. I think that gave Montreal a huge boost going into the third. Yeah. He never liked to give up those late goals. So, you know, that the last period, minute of the period and then first minute of the period, you just don't want to give up goals. You feel like if the Lightning get into the clubhouse, into the locker room with that lead at the end of two, two to one, now you're forcing Montreal to kind of press a little bit and you can counter off of it. You know, I thought the Lightning for the most part did a really good job slowing them down through the neutral zone. And that was kind of one of my keys. to the Lightning winning the games. If the Lightning had been able to keep that shape, of, you know, didn't have to go for a goal, could kind of sit back, know, slow down in the neutral zone and then counter attack. I think that, you the outcome's probably a little bit different, but you you give up that last minute goal and it's, you know, it kind of changes the whole complexion of the game. Like I said, now Montreal has a little bit of a momentum going into the period. They weathered the storm, like I said earlier, and then they scored the one, you know, it's eight minutes into the... four or five minutes into the third period. Now they're the ones playing with the lead and they can bleed the clock a little bit and force the lightning to come out of their shell. So it's just a good back and forth game, honestly. It's, it ain't to be on the wrong side of it, but you know, it was an entertaining game. It was fun. It had a little bit of an edge to it. Power play goals. You saw a lot of offense, saw some nice saves. So I have a feeling, you know, this is what we're in for in this series. think we're in for seven tight games moving forward. Justin, I know you like the way that Brandon Hagel played, but you also like segments. Gergensen's as well. What did you like about their games tonight? For Hagel? mean, that's just a brain and angle game. He's going a hundred miles an hour. Every minute of the game. He kind of, was back out there. He was getting chances down low, especially on the power of play. ⁓ he was just kind of all over the ice as far as the offensive zone. He was one of the few players attacking the net. had a couple of chances that. Another thing to give Montreal credit for is they blocked a ton of shots. I thought Hagel had two or three shots from looks from the slot where it just hit a skate or it hit a stick and went wide. I thought he was one of the few Lightning players driving play. It's good to see that if that's happening and the Lightning, you know, that second line can score some goals and kind of be a difference maker in this series. Justin, were there any players that you thought on either side that had an off game? ⁓ talked about Kiki a little bit taking that penalty. Gonzales had the turnover, ⁓ that led to the first goal. I wouldn't say overall they had bad games. would say they had bad moments in a game. ⁓ and it kind of want to see another one. would think about, you know, brain point. thought he had some small flashes, overall pretty quiet for the game. ⁓ he struggled to score goals down the stretch. I think he's one of the key, these key players that you have to get him going if you're going to want to win. And yeah, I just. just didn't quite see, just still seems just a little bit off in the offensive zone. I think he may be in his own head. I actually thought for the first half of the game, a lot of the Lightning players were kind of in their own head as far as when it came to the offensive zone. You know, they were making these nice plays in the neutral zone, getting possession. They would get into the offensive zone and it would just break down. ⁓ It almost seemed like they didn't know quite what they want to do with the puck. And then every, you know, they almost could stand in it a little bit. You know, every decision they made was the wrong decision. So, you know, it's just through the opposite, you know, at this point, know, I'm 40, I'm unemployed. live with my parents. Do you want to go out? That's right. Um, I mean, there was one play, I want to say it was Gensel coming in. He had somebody open on his wing to passing it. He tries to shoot it and it gets blocked and goes up into the netting. You know, so there's little things like that where I think they, they were kind of doubting themselves a little bit. And I did think that that changed after the Hegel goal. I thought they were playing with a little bit more confidence. just, in the end. kind of didn't generate enough chances down low. thought a lot of their stuff came from their perimeter. You know, looking at the stats after the game at five on five, they were credited with just one high danger chance, which in a playoff game, it's not hard to believe. It's just not, you've got to get to the front of the net. It's going to be the ugly goals that that win. And yeah, you know, it's kind of funny to say that in a game where Slavkovsky ripped off three beautiful goals to win, but you know, you're going to have to get in front of that. You're going to have to get take Dobish's eyes away from him. Get some rebounds. Thouren was able to see a lot of pucks clearly that the Lightning shot at him. He was able to stop them. There weren't many rebounds. So I think you get in front, you get some traffic in front of them. You make his life a little more difficult and the Lightning can still pull this out. I'm not... It's one game. It's one game. They go out, they play well in the second game. of, you know, maybe cut down on the penalties a little bit. You keep the sticks down boys. Don't keep, you know, giving each other shaves. ⁓ and then, ⁓ you know, maybe it's a little different outcome if they play a little more at five. I thought both teams took a number of undisciplined penalties, the high sticking penalties, especially. I expect that to go away as the series progresses. I also think that when you look at history, NHL officials have a tendency to put the whistle away. The longer series go. Game one, game two, you have a tendency to get more power plays. As the series goes, they put away the whistle. think that benefits Tampa because right now, and you had mentioned a stat to me, Justin earlier, I think it was a couple of days ago about how much Montreal has relied on the power play against Tampa moving forward. Montreal has to find a way to score five on five. If they're going to win in this series. Yeah. You figured they're one five on five goal came basically. I mean, it was a nice play by Alex Carrier. You know, he came down low. Really nice. Yeah, that was a good play. Gunsolves to rush the puck handling it. You know, the puck comes right out to Josh Anderson and it's always got to be somebody like Josh Anderson. You know, that was almost more annoying than Slavkovsky's at-trick was the fact that Josh Anderson scored. Five on five, again, the Lightning, thought defensively, especially they had a really good game. They really neutralized that Suzuki line at five on five. you know, they weren't allowing too many breakaways. think there were a couple two on ones in the first, but you know. Montreal wasn't really generating a ton of offense on at five on five. And I do think the lightning are a better, deeper team at five on five. That being said, you know, it's great to win the five on five battle, but if you're not winning the goal scored battle, it just doesn't matter in the playoffs. You don't have look at the three Montreal Tampa games. It's been the similar, a similar recipe. Tampa dominates five on five. Montreal finds a way to cash in. at the right time and they have, they've won the last three games against Tampa. And I played really well with the lead. The Lightning would put pressure on them. They haven't cracked. It's, it's got to just keeps coming back to this is going to be a tough series. I don't see either team really, you know, giving it the other, ⁓ a lot of room. There was, you know, there wasn't a lot of space. ⁓ there were a couple of four on fours where I thought the Lightning looked really good. ⁓ when they did have, you know, a little more space on the ice, but you know, the Lightning got to find a way. to just keep grinding away in the offensive zone. They got to score these ugly goals. You get one or two, I think, you you relax your hands on the sticks a little bit. You stop gripping, you you stop turning the stick into splinters with your grip and the goals start coming once they relax a little bit. So we'll see how they go, what they take from this game, what they build on, you know, what can they do? I will see if there's any lineup changes too, you know, if Coops, you know, shuffles the lines around. maybe moves Kutcher off down to that Sorelli line and puts Gensel back up with Point and Gonsalves. But yeah, we'll see. You know, it's like it's all about adjustments. You know, it was kind of odd. know, it's one minute into the overtime. You know, the Canadians are on the power play and Marty, you know, Marty calls a timeout, you know, just a minute into the power play. I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah, I thought that was an interesting call. It's how important that power play was to Montreal. Yeah, he knew they had the momentum. He wanted to keep his big guys out on the line. He could tell they had been cooking all game long on the power play. he's like, hey, if it doesn't pay off here, maybe it's talked about in the media the next day about taking it that early. But he saw a chance where his team had the advantage and he made sure they could do everything they could to take advantage of it. And they did. So, you know. Marty had a really good game behind the bench. thought, I said, not only that time out, but like I said, after the angle goal, getting his team kind of calmed down and back to their style of play was, really good. And the guy's just a good coach. In overtime, the first minute of that power play after the, I think Gensel took the penalty with about 20 seconds left. A minute 40, a minute 40. Okay. So the first minute of that power play pretty much 19 minute Mark Tampa had the puck consistently shooting the puck. down the length of the ice. So Montreal's having to go 200 feet each time trying to get the puck in the zone. Do you think if they had been set up in the Tampa zone, he calls that time out? I think he called the time out because those guys had to work for a minute continually going up and down the ice. I think that's where he realized those guys were a little bit winded. Yeah, that's a good call. ⁓ he wanted to make sure that they were ready to go. you know, I think he was going to throw them over the boards no matter what had happened. They were going to finish that power play. But there was, you know, on the entry, there was a little tiny play where Brandon Hagel goes to, I it was Caulfield, he tries to knock the puck away at the line, he stumbles a little bit. And that really opened up the lane for Hudson to get the pass to Slavkovski for the shot. You know, I think if, if he was able to stay on his skates right there, he's able to get back and block that passing lane. So it just goes to show you like how minor things can affect a game here. ⁓ so like, like I said, if Hagle doesn't lose his footing, maybe Hudson doesn't try that pass and they short series, you know, in these seven game series, it's going to be the little things like that, that are going to be the difference in the game. ⁓ yeah, it's a little things like that to look out for it's playoff hockey. It's a bummer, lightening were on the wrong side of this one. And hopefully they can make. They can shake it off. They've been really good at turning the pages this year and moving on. Hopefully that can carry over into the playoffs. Justin game two, Tuesday night, seven o'clock back in Tampa. What changes do you think John Cooper might make heading into game two? know, if Bjorkström is ready to go, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get back into the lineup. I don't know if he gets bumped back up to that first power play unit, especially since they did score twice. But I think he does, you know, the guy's a hard worker. He's a smart player. Defensively, he's really good. hasn't been, yeah, he hasn't been scoring at five on five this year, but I think he's a really hard worker. And he makes that, that he would make that fourth line, especially with Dominic James back in the rotation, a little bit stronger than I think Kiki does right now. I think Connor Kiki is going to be a really good player at the NHL level. A lot of folks, you know, Oh, he's going to talk out as a really good NHL player. mean, this dude's what, 21 years old? He's got less than two full seasons at NHL level. You know, if he makes the roster next year, he's still going to be the youngest player on the Lightning. So I think he's got some room to grow. I wouldn't mind seeing him get sent back down to Syracuse at some point so you can help them off in their playoff run, which should start up next week. But yeah, I would like to see Bjergsen back in. You know, we talked about the defense, what kind of changes they can make if this dude can't go. But yeah, I don't think he tweaks up too much as far as the other three lines. I thought they did all right at five on five. Justin, let's take a look around the NHL on Saturday. I'll say this, the one result that really surprised me. The Minnesota wild one that didn't surprise either one of us because we both have the wild winning the series. The fact that they dismantled Dallas six, the one really surprised me. ⁓ you know, I think I hate to say it, but you know, Jake, I'm just gonna have started having some questions at this point now. You know, he was pulled in. Was it the game seven last year? after two goals, ⁓ you know, they give up six, ⁓ in game one against the wild. I think this is your typical, we're going to overreact to a result game. Dallas isn't going to go think that that series still goes, you know, five or six games, six or seven games, something like that. They're going to bounce back, but it is always funny that you have one, one game in like. the first opening series where everyone's like, Oh, it's over. You know, just go ahead and give the cup to the wild. They figured it out. You know, this is a team that hasn't won a first round and I don't know, seems like forever. So yeah, they still got to win three more games. But that being said, I thought they looked really good. mean, crap, Capri's all that body. Their big stars came through when they needed the stars showed up. Exactly. So we'll see if Dallas can counter that. They're cutting the same boat as the lightning right now. You know, yes, you lost game one, but hey, we've been through this before. mean, that's a veteran team. You know, they've been through a few conference finals. They're not going to get rattled. They're going to come out and have a good. Justin, I know you just did your recap on raw charge. What do you have going on the rest of the day? So we'll go ahead and kind of do our morning afterthoughts a little bit more in depth talk about what happened tonight. You know, we'll have that posted up probably sometime tomorrow afternoon. We'll preview game two. We'll have some thoughts about what coach Cooper and the players said in their post game press conferences and kind of go from there. See what the lightning need to do to turn this thing around. We will be back for our instant reaction of game two coming up. That podcast will be dropping on Wednesday. Please like and subscribe to us. We appreciate all the support for Justin Godfrey, who you can read at rawcharge www.rawcharge.com. I'm Jason Linkus. Thanks for joining us. Have a great night and go bolts. Thank you for listening to back checking the bolts. We are free and available on all platforms, including Apple, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon, YouTube, and Deezer. If you enjoyed it, please be sure to subscribe and leave a review. 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