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Virginia Roberts Giuffre Bruised After Crash, Posts Incorrectly, She Has Days to Live · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh, how the plot thickens
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Speaker 1: more drama as it relates to disgraced now dead millionaire
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, who dies behind prison walls just before he
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Speaker 1: goes to trial on many many counts child rape, molestation,
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Speaker 1: and sex trafficking. His cohort, Jeline Maxwell, gets the same.
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Speaker 1: She's behind bars as well, but in the last days
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Speaker 1: a very disturbing bombshell in the case. Why was Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein sex trafficking victim Virginia Geoffrey charged by cops? This
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Speaker 1: just days before she claims she was on her deathbed
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Speaker 1: after a bus crash. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. US sex trafficking victim
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Speaker 1: Virginia Geffrey charged with breaching a family violence restraining order
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Speaker 1: just a few days before a bush crash in which
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Speaker 1: she first claimed she was fatally injured and had only
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Speaker 1: days to live. Geoffrey, formerly Virginia Roberts, now forty one,
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Speaker 1: posted a photo on Insta on a Sunday night, allegedly
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Speaker 1: from her own hospital bed, claiming she had only four
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Speaker 1: days left to live. She said her car was hit
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Speaker 1: by a school bus that left her with kidney failure,
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Speaker 1: and that doctors told her she would be dead within
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Speaker 1: days now. A spokesperson for Geffrey then admitted about three
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Speaker 1: days later she had quote made a mistake and did
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Speaker 1: not intend to publish the post publicly. According to medical sources,
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Speaker 1: she does not have just days to live or Now
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Speaker 1: we're learning that Geffrey was listed at a magistrates court
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Speaker 1: ten days before the crash over an alleged breach of
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Speaker 1: a family violence restraining order her husband, her estranged husband.
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Speaker 1: Let's be clear about that. Robert Seffrey was also listed
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Speaker 1: at the same court the month before for what allegedly
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Speaker 1: quote providing inadequate storage facility for firearms. Okay, I don't
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Speaker 1: like where this is going. One has a firearm charge,
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Speaker 1: the other has an alleged breach of a family violence order.
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Speaker 1: Good gravy. That's a recipe for disaster. How in any
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Speaker 1: way will this effect claims against Epstein, Julane Maxwell and
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Speaker 1: of course the manchild Peter pan Andrew. I clearly recall
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Speaker 1: what the whole thing is all about. Hold onto your
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Speaker 1: hat and take a listen to this.
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Speaker 2: She believes I do, and that no one, no president,
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Speaker 2: no Prime minister, No Prince of England is above the law.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how many contacts you have, doesn't matter
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Speaker 2: who your family is, doesn't matter how much wealth do
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Speaker 2: you have. You're not above the law. And no one,
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Speaker 2: no matter how young or vulnerable or powerless, is deprived
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Speaker 2: of the protection of the law. That is a bedrock
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Speaker 2: principle of American law, and I believe it's a bedrock
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Speaker 2: principle of the United Kingdom from which we got our law.
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Speaker 1: Well, he's absolutely correct. That is well known renowned lawyer
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Speaker 1: David Boyce, who is representing this woman, Virginia Jeffreys in
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Speaker 1: her lawsuit. Again, that's Prince Andrew. We America got our jurisprudence,
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Speaker 1: our body of law, our common law from Great Britain.
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Speaker 1: That's where we got the bedrock of our constitution. It's
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Speaker 1: easier said than done. Right, No one's above the law. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: in principle, but somehow Prince Andrew has managed to skirt
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Speaker 1: many many claims. You were just hearing Virginia Jeffrey's lawyer,
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Speaker 1: David boy speaking to ITV joining me an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to make some sense of what's going on, and too,
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Speaker 1: although I'm sure they're not betting people like myself and
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Speaker 1: to give me the odds. Will Prince Andrew York slash
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Speaker 1: windsor you can't even get a brit to really tell
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Speaker 1: you his last name. I've asked. Some say York, some
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Speaker 1: say Windsor will he ever be brought to justice? What
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Speaker 1: are the odds that Queen Elizabeth's son is going to
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Speaker 1: cowtow to an American courtroom with me? High profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: out of Seattle and Bremner, author of Justice in the
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Speaker 1: Age of Judgment, and you can find her at Ann
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Speaker 1: Bremner dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall renounced psycho analyst joining
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Speaker 1: us out of la You can find her at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. She's a star of a new
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Speaker 1: Netflix series, Bling Empire. Death investigator forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Professor Forensics
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, and he is now the star of
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Speaker 1: the Piketon Massacre returned to Pike County on iHeart, but
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Speaker 1: first to a special guest joining us, Charlie Langston. She's
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Speaker 1: the editor of Female fe Nail at Dailymail dot com.
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Speaker 1: Charlie Langston First of all, let's clear this up. Is
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Speaker 1: it Andrew York or Andrew Windsor.
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Speaker 3: Technically the royal family's name last name is Windsor, but
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Speaker 3: they don't really use a last name, so it's Prince
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Speaker 3: Andrew or the Duke of York, whichever you prefer.
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Speaker 1: So if they were to have to write a check,
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Speaker 1: he would just write Andrew like Sheer or Elvis or
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Speaker 1: what he.
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Speaker 3: Would probably write Prince Andrew, or he would write the
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Speaker 3: Duke of York. But the Royal family typically aren't cashing
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Speaker 3: or writing many checks, nor do they typically use credit cards.
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Speaker 3: They have staff who use credit cards on their behalf.
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Speaker 1: Okay, then, who was paying the bill that night at
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Speaker 1: tramps Bar? I very much have I jumped ahead the
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Speaker 1: night he was with an under rased girl dancing and drinking,
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Speaker 1: and his defense says, I don't sweat because of a
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Speaker 1: war wound. Who paid the bill that night?
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Speaker 3: I would imagine that it was either paid in cash
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Speaker 3: or that he had someone with him who paid. But
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Speaker 3: you so, given that he says he wasn't there, I
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Speaker 3: very much doubt we're going to be able to find
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Speaker 3: a paper trail.
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Speaker 1: Well, put, let's cut forward to what's happening right now.
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to the election victim,
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Speaker 1: in this case, Virginia Roberts, speaking to NBC.
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Speaker 4: What happened the first time in London? I was so young.
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Speaker 5: Gilan woke me up in the morning and said, you're
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Speaker 5: going to meet a prince today. I didn't know at
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Speaker 5: that point that I was going to be trafficked to
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Speaker 5: that prince. And then that night Prince Andrew came to
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Speaker 5: her house in London and we went out to Club Tramp.
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Speaker 5: Prince Andrew got me alcohol. It was in the VIP section.
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Speaker 5: It was I'm pretty sure it was vodka. Prince Andrew's like,
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Speaker 5: let's dance together, and I was like okay, and we
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Speaker 5: leave Club Tramp and I hop in the car with
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Speaker 5: Gilan and Jeffrey, and Gillan said, he's coming back to
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Speaker 5: the house and I want you to do for him
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Speaker 5: what you do for Epstein.
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Speaker 1: You know, let me go to Ann Bremner, high profile
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer joining me out of Seattle and longtime friend.
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Speaker 1: And you know, you claim a lot of your clients
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Speaker 1: are innocent, and you know I disagree. But let's set
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Speaker 1: our past differences aside for just one moment, and when
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Speaker 1: you're preparing for trial and you're working with the witnesses
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Speaker 1: and you ask them to tell their story. One of
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Speaker 1: the first things I would do prepping for trial, of course,
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Speaker 1: find my witnesses, go to their home or their job
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Speaker 1: or wherever they were, and get them without me leading
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Speaker 1: them to tell me their story. And I would look
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Speaker 1: for detail. I would look for a story rich in detail.
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Speaker 1: I don't I'm a JD, not a DDS. I don't
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Speaker 1: like pulling teeth. I don't want to say, well, what
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Speaker 1: time was it, Well, who was there? Well do you
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Speaker 1: hear her unsolicited giving detail? Like we were in the
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Speaker 1: VIP section it was alcohol, I think it was vodka.
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Speaker 1: And that morning Gilan Gillen Maxwell woke me up and said,
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Speaker 1: you're going to meet a prince today. And that night,
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Speaker 1: leaving Tramp's Bar, she said, Andrew's coming to the house.
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Speaker 1: I want you to do for him what you do
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Speaker 1: for Epstein. The detail that she is providing is very persuasive.
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Speaker 1: Anne Bremner, Well, absolutely, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: That's why you have always been a great prosecutor that
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Speaker 6: you've been in, a wonderful advocate for victims. She's the
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Speaker 6: devils in the details. How can you make all those
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Speaker 6: things up? And she's detailed in recounting everything that's happened
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Speaker 6: with Prince Andrew, and she's been adamant about her facts
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Speaker 6: and details for a long time.
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Speaker 1: You know that's supported too. I'm glad you mentioned that,
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Speaker 1: Anne Bremner. Very often you will see a victim or
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Speaker 1: a witness's story differ. I didn't say change, because a
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Speaker 1: lot of times it's simply embellishing. For instance, the victim
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Speaker 1: gives or the witness gives you the story, and then
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Speaker 1: later you may say, well, wait a minute, how did
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Speaker 1: you get there? And they add, oh, I took a cab,
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Speaker 1: or I hitched a ride, or I took a bus.
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Speaker 1: So they're adding to the story, not necessarily changing their story.
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Speaker 1: But Anne's right. I don't believe Charlie Langston joining us
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Speaker 1: from dailymail dot com. I don't believe she's ever actually
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Speaker 1: changed her story. She may have added to it over time,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think she's ever changed it.
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Speaker 3: No, the story has remained incredibly consistent this entire time.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Geffrey
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Speaker 1: charged by police just a few days before She says
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Speaker 1: she was on her deathbed following a bus Now, she
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Speaker 1: and her husband, Robert Jeffrey recently separated after twenty two
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Speaker 1: years of marital bliss. They no longer lived together in
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Speaker 1: their nearly two million dollar mansion at a beachside suburb
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Speaker 1: of Ocean Reef. What does all of this mean now
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Speaker 1: that six bedroom home was where the two had lived
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Speaker 1: this as Virginia's Gufrey wrote out the scandal surrounding charges
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Speaker 1: against Epstein and Jelaine Maxwell. The purchase of the home
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Speaker 1: was finalized before the matter was settled out of court
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Speaker 1: with an alleged twenty million dollar payout from the Duke
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Speaker 1: aka Prince Andrew. What a tangled web we weave when
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Speaker 1: first we practiced to deceive. Now, according to her insta
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to read it to you verbatim quote,
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Speaker 1: this year has been the worst start to a new year.
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Speaker 1: But I won't bore anyone with the details, but I
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Speaker 1: think it is I think it important to note that
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Speaker 1: when a school bus driver comes at you driving one
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Speaker 1: hundred and ten km as we were slowing for a turn,
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Speaker 1: that no matter what your car is made of, it
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Speaker 1: might as well be a ten can Okay, that's a
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Speaker 1: whole other can of worms, speaking of cans to sort out.
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Speaker 1: But I'm more concerned with how, if at all, this
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Speaker 1: most recent turn of events with Virginia Jeffrey will affect
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Speaker 1: Julaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew. You know, doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever went with my
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Speaker 1: girlfriends to a bar, and it was first to all
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Speaker 1: go dancing. And you know, I didn't drink, didn't do drugs,
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Speaker 1: didn't smoke nothing. And I remember I remember what I
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Speaker 1: had on because I so carefully selected it, because I
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Speaker 1: had never been somewhere to a bar where people were dancing.
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Speaker 1: And I remember I don't remember the name of the place.
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Speaker 1: I remember very few people who were there, maybe one
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Speaker 1: or two. I remember general things about it, and I
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Speaker 1: remember thinking, you know, I've seen it, danced, I believe in,
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Speaker 1: and left. But I remember vague vaguely, pretty much what happened.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to and if someone tried to cross examine
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Speaker 1: me on it right now, they could probably do a
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Speaker 1: really good job. But this woman is giving a pretty
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Speaker 1: detailed statement, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: She's giving a detailed statement because this was a very
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Speaker 7: traumatic day in her life. We think of trauma as
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Speaker 7: a broaden the umbrella, meaning what's traumatic to you may
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Speaker 7: not be traumatic to me. But Nancy being sex trafficked
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Speaker 7: to a prince is a very traumatic event. And this
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Speaker 7: woman had already been sex trafficked to Jeffrey Epstein, so
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Speaker 7: she was collecting. She was a victim of what we
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Speaker 7: call cumulative trauma. Can you imagine being a minor having
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Speaker 7: vod conserved to you, being at this big, fancy nightclub,
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Speaker 7: having one of the princes of Great Britain come and
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Speaker 7: solicit you sexually? How can you forget any detail of
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Speaker 7: that night? And Nancy, just to go back to history
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Speaker 7: for a second, you keep saying, you know, is Prince
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Speaker 7: Andrew Prince of York? Is he a windsor A little
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Speaker 7: detail is that the royal family is actually a German gamily.
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Speaker 7: There is Germany and that did not go down so
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Speaker 7: well during World War Two, so they changed their last names.
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Speaker 7: So this is not the first time that a royal
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Speaker 7: has changing stories, changing details, whereas Virginia Jeffreys, her story
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Speaker 7: has not changed at all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I take a listen to more our friends at NBC.
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Speaker 8: Virginia says the abuse moved from the bathroom to a bedroom.
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Speaker 4: He wasn't rude or anything about it.
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Speaker 5: He said, you know, thank you and some kind of
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Speaker 5: soft sentiments like that, and left.
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Speaker 4: I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that even
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Speaker 4: royalty you were involved.
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Speaker 8: She says. Prince Andrew abused her two more times, once
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Speaker 8: in New York in Epstein's mansion and again at his
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Speaker 8: Virgin Islands estate. Prince Andrew, of course, denies that this
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Speaker 8: ever happened.
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Speaker 5: He denies that it ever happened, and he's going to
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Speaker 5: keep denying that it ever happened.
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Speaker 4: But he knows the truth, and I know the truth.
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Speaker 1: Well, we were talking earlier. First of all, Jackie, did
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Speaker 1: you hear that? Did you hear that? H Doctor bethany
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Speaker 1: hold on, let me go to Charlie Likeson. Did you
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Speaker 1: hear that he said thank you after the underage sex,
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Speaker 1: which is rape?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I guess the one thing that the
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Speaker 3: royal family always hangs on to is their etiquette and manners.
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Speaker 1: So, okay, did you actually just say that? Did she
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Speaker 1: say that? Because I think she did? Okay, Charlie like, so,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you think for a moment about what
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Speaker 1: you just said. I take a listen to information we
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Speaker 1: learned from Filthy Rich on Netflix.
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Speaker 5: I first met Prince Andrew March tenth, two thousand and
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Speaker 5: one in London at Gilan's townhouse. He knock on the door.
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Speaker 5: He came inside Gilan's townhouse and we're sitting there having tea.
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Speaker 5: Gillen has his favorite guessing game that she does. She
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Speaker 5: goes to Prince Andrew, how well do you think Virginia is?
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Speaker 5: And he said seventeen And she's like, oh, you're right,
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Speaker 5: and you know, they made a little joke about it.
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Speaker 5: He's like, oh, my daughters aren't far from your age.
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Speaker 5: You know. My daughter's a little bit younger than you.
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Speaker 5: We went out the night club Tramp in London and
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Speaker 5: he dances and he's profusely sweating over me and it
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Speaker 5: was disgusting.
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Speaker 1: And let's hear some more of Virginia Roberts. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut eight.
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Speaker 5: It ended with sexual abuse and intercourse and then a
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Speaker 5: pat on the back. You've done a really good job, like,
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Speaker 5: you know, thank you very much, and here's two hundred dollars.
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Speaker 4: You know, before you know it, I'm.
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Speaker 5: Being lent out to politicians and too, academics and to
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Speaker 5: people that royalty and people that you just you would
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Speaker 5: never think like, how did you get into that position
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Speaker 5: of power in the first place if you're this disgusting, evil,
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Speaker 5: decrepit person on the inside.
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to Charlie Langton joining me editor with
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Speaker 1: dailymail dot com. Did you hear the part which she
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Speaker 1: said they played a sort of guessing game with Andrew
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Speaker 1: between Gillen, Maxwell, Prince and and Virginia. Jeffrey's talking about
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Speaker 1: guess her age and there was no doubt Andrew knew
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Speaker 1: she was seventeen, according to this witness.
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Speaker 3: Well, and I think you know, one of the most
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Speaker 3: shocking things there is that, you know, according to Virginia,
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Speaker 3: he then said, oh, you're not too far off in
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Speaker 3: age from my daughter. And the ironic thing is that
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Speaker 3: when Prince Andrew has spoken out to deny all of
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Speaker 3: Virginia's claims, he actually said that he was with his
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Speaker 3: daughter at a party, you know, not too far outside
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Speaker 3: of London, when Virginia says that all of this went down. So,
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Speaker 3: you know, if we are to believe what Virginia said,
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Speaker 3: it's awful to hear that not only did he know
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Speaker 3: exactly how old she was, but that he knew that
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Speaker 3: she was around the same age as his own children,
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Speaker 3: And that is just the most horrifying thing to me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that she followed up in the guessing
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Speaker 1: game with the detail that he went, oh, that's not
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Speaker 1: much older than my daughter's. Clearly, if she is to
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Speaker 1: be believed, he knew she was under age. And speaking
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Speaker 1: of the party, Prince Andrew claims he took his daughters
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Speaker 1: to instead of having underage sex, which is rape, it's
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Speaker 1: called statutory rape because if you're under age, you cannot
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Speaker 1: consent to sex in that vein. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut sixteen. This is Emily Mattlis speaking to Prince Andrew.
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Speaker 9: Listen, I have no recollection of ever meeting her. I'm
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Speaker 9: almost in fact, I'm convinced that I was never in
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Speaker 9: tramps with her.
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Speaker 10: There are a number of things that are wrong with.
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Speaker 9: That story, one of which is is that I don't
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Speaker 9: know where the bar is in tramps. I don't drink.
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Speaker 9: I don't think I've ever bought a drink in Trump
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Speaker 9: whenever I was there.
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Speaker 11: Do you remember dancing at Trump?
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Speaker 10: No, that couldn't have happened.
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Speaker 9: Because the date that's being suggested, I was at home
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Speaker 9: with the children.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so, which is at Charlie Langston with jellymail dot com.
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Speaker 1: Was he at home with his two girls, Beatrice and
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Speaker 1: Eugenie or was he at Tramp's. I thought he said
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Speaker 1: he was at a pizza party.
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Speaker 3: Yes, the story evolved to.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait Charlie, Charlie, the story evolved. It changed. That's
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Speaker 1: what evolved means it changed, That is what evolved means. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what's his story now?
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Speaker 4: He's not at.
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Speaker 1: Home putting Eugenie and Beatrice to bed. What's the news story?
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Speaker 3: He said that he took his daughter to a party
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Speaker 3: at a pizza restaurant called Pizza Express in Woking, which
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Speaker 3: is in Surrey, just outside of London. However, if even
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Speaker 3: if his story is accurate, the distance between Woking and
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Speaker 3: London would actually have allowed for him to make it
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Speaker 3: back to the city in order to go to a
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Speaker 3: nightclub later that evening. So, you know, I think many people,
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Speaker 3: both critics and Royal fans alike, have agreed that that
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Speaker 3: interview that Andrew did was a car crash. We also
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Speaker 3: have to, you know, highlight the fact that he said
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Speaker 3: he was actually unable to sweat because he you know,
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Speaker 3: suffered from a kind of condition that he sustained while
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Speaker 3: he was fighting in the war.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, why wait, wait, you're absolutely right, Charlie. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Arkat seventeen once again. This is our
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Speaker 1: friend from the BBC Emily metlist Listen.
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Speaker 11: She was very specific about that night.
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Speaker 12: She described dancing with you and you profusely sweating, and
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Speaker 12: that she went on to have bars possibly a slight.
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Speaker 10: Problem was was was was the because I.
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Speaker 9: Have a peculiar medical condition, which is that I don't sweat,
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Speaker 9: or I didn't sweat at the time, and that was Yes,
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Speaker 9: I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered
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Speaker 9: what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in
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Speaker 9: the Falklands War when I was shot at, and I
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Speaker 9: simply it was it was.
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Speaker 10: It was almost impossible for me to sweat.
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Speaker 9: And it's only because I have done a number of
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Speaker 9: things in the recent past. But I'm starting to be
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Speaker 9: able to do that again. So I'm afraid to say
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Speaker 9: that that that that there's a medical condition that says
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Speaker 9: that I didn't do it.
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Speaker 7: So therefore, can I jump in on this one?
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Speaker 1: Okay? I was just learning, so Ken he got a
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Speaker 1: shot of adrenaline and he can know what a sweat
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Speaker 1: is that even real? Definitely, where are you said, I
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Speaker 1: want to jump jump?
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Speaker 7: Well, what I can say is that he has drug
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Speaker 7: his daughter Beatrice and Eugenie into his own sexual predatory behaviors.
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Speaker 7: He's using them as shields or beards or whatever you
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Speaker 7: want to use. So not only has he violated Virginia
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Speaker 7: Jeffreys Roberts, but now he is using Beatrice and Eugenie
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Speaker 7: as witnesses. And he's gaining sympathy with the British audience
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Speaker 7: by saying he was shot at in the Falcons War
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Speaker 7: and he was so frightened and he had a shot
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Speaker 7: of adrenaline that now he can't sweat. I mean, the
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Speaker 7: whole thing. Not only is it absurd, but just let
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Speaker 7: it soak in for a moment. To use your phrase
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Speaker 7: that he is using his own minor daughters in his defense.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you said that back. Because Charlie Lanston
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Speaker 1: joining us from dellimeil dot com, I understand that either
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Speaker 1: Beatrice or Eugenie were asked about that night. Do they
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Speaker 1: confirm the pizza party?
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Speaker 3: They did not confirm it to the point where it
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Speaker 3: would be able to be used as evidence in Andrew's defense,
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Speaker 3: essentially that the girls don't have enough of a recollection
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Speaker 3: of that time to provide their father with any solid backup.
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Speaker 3: And you know, at the time they were both young girls.
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Speaker 3: I don't think if you were to ask me, I
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Speaker 3: don't think I could remember a pizza party that I
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Speaker 3: went to when I was younger. Younger were they at
24:25
Speaker 3: the time, they would have been around early teens. I think.
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Speaker 1: Since he doesn't drive himself anywhere and he doesn't pay
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Speaker 1: for anything, wouldn't there be a record of him being
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Speaker 1: driven to this location.
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Speaker 3: He does drive himself to places. It does happen rarely,
24:45
Speaker 3: but he does drive himself to places. However, it is
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Speaker 3: highly unlikely that he would have gone anywhere without some
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Speaker 3: form of security.
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Speaker 1: You're right. Crime stories with Nancy Grace Geffrey and her
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Speaker 1: strange husband seem to be locked in a very very
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Speaker 1: contentious tug of war over their teens son and daughter.
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Speaker 1: Just a couple of days before the bus crash, Giffrey
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Speaker 1: posted a photo of her children on a beach with
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Speaker 1: a desperate plea to see them quote, my beautiful babies
25:26
Speaker 1: have no clue how much I love them and they're
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Speaker 1: being poisoned with lies. I miss them so very much.
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Speaker 1: I've been through helen back in my forty one years,
25:34
Speaker 1: but this is incredibly hurting me, worse than anything else.
25:38
Speaker 1: Hurt me, abuse me, but don't take my babies. My
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Speaker 1: heart is shattered, and every day that passes, my sadness
25:45
Speaker 1: only deepens. In a post from the hospital just a
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Speaker 1: week later, she adds, I've gone into kidney renal failure.
25:52
Speaker 1: They've given me four days to live, transferring me to
25:55
Speaker 1: a specialist hospital in urology. I'm ready to go, not
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Speaker 1: until I see my babies one last time. My heart
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Speaker 1: is shattered. Every day that passes, my sadness only deepens.
26:08
Speaker 1: Now remember Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was charged with sex trafficking
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Speaker 1: and molesting. Gioffrey accused him as well. Juline Maxwell is
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Speaker 1: sitting behind bars over the same drama. How will this
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Speaker 1: affect any of that? Take a listen to hour cut eighteen.
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Speaker 1: This is Emily Mattlis.
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Speaker 12: She was very specific. She described the dance that you
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Speaker 12: had together in tramp. She described meeting you. She was
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Speaker 12: a seventeen year old girl meeting a senior member of
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Speaker 12: the Royal family.
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Speaker 10: Never happened.
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Speaker 12: She provided a photo of the two of you together.
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Speaker 12: Your arm was around her waist. You've seen the photo,
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Speaker 12: I've seen the photon. How do you explain that?
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Speaker 10: I can't.
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Speaker 9: Because I have no Again, I have absolutely no memory
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Speaker 9: of that photograph ever being taken.
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Speaker 1: Why I can tell you this? It would be a
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Speaker 1: cold ay in hgule l if I caught my husband
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Speaker 1: David Lynch at a party without me and his arm
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Speaker 1: around a teen girl. Ah uh in oh, but listen, listen.
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Speaker 1: He has no memory of it. But then suddenly is
27:31
Speaker 1: there a light at the end of the dull Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut nineteen?
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Speaker 11: Do you recognize yourself a little?
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Speaker 10: It is pretty difficult not to recognize yourself.
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Speaker 11: Your friend suggested that the photo is fake.
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Speaker 9: I think it's from the investigations that we've done. You
27:49
Speaker 9: can't prove whether or not that photograph is faked or not,
27:54
Speaker 9: because it is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph,
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Speaker 9: So it's very difficult to be able to prove it.
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Speaker 9: But I don't remember that fedure off ever being taken.
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Speaker 11: But it's possible that it was you with your.
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Speaker 10: That's me, But whether that's my hand or whether that's
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Speaker 10: the position. But I don't. I have simply no recollection.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, I guess if he doesn't remember it, Jackie,
28:21
Speaker 1: then it must not have happened, okay. Joscott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
28:25
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Star
28:29
Speaker 1: of the Piked and Massacre on iHeartRadio. I could go
28:32
Speaker 1: on and on, but I want to get back to Andrew.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Joe Scott, you know how every rape case goes,
28:39
Speaker 1: not everyone, but many of them. First of all, it
28:42
Speaker 1: didn't happen. I've never seen her. I don't remember her.
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Speaker 1: I never met her. Oh yeah, I remember her. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she was at a party. We met very briefly. Oh
28:52
Speaker 1: it's my semen, you know what. It's all coming back
28:56
Speaker 1: to me. We had sex, but it was consensual. Oh,
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Speaker 1: we're torn dress, and I don't know how that happened.
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Speaker 1: She's making the whole thing up. It's a fake. Well,
29:05
Speaker 1: here we have a photo of his arm around her.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a drink in the other hand. I
29:11
Speaker 1: can't remember the other hand. I'll see focused on the
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Speaker 1: hand around her waist, and I believe she's wearing a
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Speaker 1: little midgetive shirt and so it's her bear skin. How
29:21
Speaker 1: is he going to get out of that? Joe, Scott,
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Speaker 1: you're the friends of sex.
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Speaker 13: I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 13: You look at this thing, and you know, you think,
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Speaker 13: you know. I kept waiting for him to say photoshoped.
29:32
Speaker 13: Of course he didn't.
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Speaker 1: He goes, well, he doesn't know about shop.
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Speaker 13: Of course he doesn't. Somebody takes his photos for him.
29:38
Speaker 13: And oh one other thing, by the way, is a prince.
29:43
Speaker 13: If a prince shows up at Chuck e cheese, I
29:45
Speaker 13: think people are going to remember, all right, you know,
29:47
Speaker 13: going back to this and again it's this web that
29:50
Speaker 13: he's created over these years. And I don't necessarily know
29:54
Speaker 13: that it's over these years. He might be a predator
29:57
Speaker 13: for all I know. But you know, he said, we
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Speaker 13: we've the investigation we've conducted into the photograph. Who's he
30:06
Speaker 13: referring to? Does he have forensic analysts on staff that
30:10
Speaker 13: are you know, really digging into this thing, digging into
30:13
Speaker 13: the electronic media here trying to figure out if in
30:17
Speaker 13: fact this is him. Give me a break.
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Speaker 1: Well, now it is something very critical, Scott Morgan. He
30:21
Speaker 1: never said we've proven it so fake.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, And he knows that he would be that would
30:26
Speaker 13: in fact be a both face one.
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, I think I have the answer that Andrew
30:32
Speaker 1: is going to use to exonerate himself from this rape
30:36
Speaker 1: charge underage sex. Take a listen to our cut twenty one.
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Speaker 1: This should just, you know, close the book on this chapter.
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Speaker 12: So why would somebody have put in another hand? You
30:47
Speaker 12: think it is you next to her in the photo?
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Speaker 10: Oh, it's definitely me. That's a picture of me.
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Speaker 9: It's not a picture of I don't believe it's a
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Speaker 9: picture of me in London because when I got to
30:57
Speaker 9: when I go out in London, I wear the.
31:00
Speaker 10: Suits and the tie.
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Speaker 9: That's what I would describe as those are my traveling
31:05
Speaker 9: clothes if I'm going to go, if I'm going overseas,
31:09
Speaker 9: I've got plenty of photographs of me dressed in those
31:13
Speaker 9: sorts of that sort of kit.
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Speaker 1: But not there, Charlie Langston, what is he talking about?
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Speaker 3: Effectively, he's now trying to say that if he's ever
31:22
Speaker 3: in London and he's going out anywhere, he will dress
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Speaker 3: smartly in a suit, and that the outfit that he's
31:29
Speaker 3: wearing in the image is only the kind of thing
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Speaker 3: that he would wear when he travels somewhere else and
31:34
Speaker 3: doesn't need to look quite so official.
31:37
Speaker 1: So how does this young girl, a very pretty articulate
31:42
Speaker 1: teen girl, find herself in bed with Prince Andrew? According
31:47
Speaker 1: to her, well, it all started in Palm Beach. Take
31:52
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut two. This is from the
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Speaker 1: BBC with Virginia Jeffreys.
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Speaker 5: Virginia Roberts through Epstein's Palm Beach home for the interview.
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Speaker 5: Gilynn walks me up the stairs and then there's this
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Speaker 5: naked guy laying on a massage table in the middle
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Speaker 5: of the room.
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Speaker 4: So although there was this naked man laying on a table,
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Speaker 4: I thought, okay, well, this is just how they do it.
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Speaker 1: I suppose.
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Speaker 4: He looked up at.
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Speaker 5: Glynn, so she's like, okay, here's the lotions, here's the oils.
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Speaker 4: Put your lotions and oils on your arm.
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Speaker 5: Always keep your hand on the person you're massaging, and
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Speaker 5: start with one foot and she'll get the other foot
32:32
Speaker 5: and then we'll work together, so you just mimic my movements.
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Speaker 4: So anyways, that.
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Speaker 5: Thought went fleeting from my head like that was strange
32:39
Speaker 5: because we're doing this massage now.
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Speaker 1: And there you have a teen girl around I guess fourteen,
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Speaker 1: fifteen years old, who was confronted with a naked Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein and his pimp, Gilan Maxwell, who's now awaiting her
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Speaker 1: own trial. It's always been a he say, she say,
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Speaker 1: Jeffries versus Prince Andrew, Jeffries versus Epstein, Jeffries versus Gilan Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: until a new Bobshell is there finally a witness. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty seven from our friends
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Speaker 1: at the BBC.
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Speaker 12: Epstein's housekeeper also in a Florida court legal deposition, so
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Speaker 12: that you visited the Palm Beach residence around four times
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Speaker 12: a year, You've got a daily massage.
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Speaker 10: Four times a year.
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Speaker 12: That was what he said in a Florida called legal deposition. No,
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Speaker 12: I'm just wondering, when you look back now, is there
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Speaker 12: a chance that those massages might have been the services
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Speaker 12: of someone who is being sexually exploited or trafficked by Epstein?
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Speaker 10: No?
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Speaker 9: I don't think, I mean, I know, definitely not, definitely not.
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Speaker 9: And I definitely did not visit his Palm Beach house
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Speaker 9: three or four times a year, absolutely not.
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Speaker 11: How many times would you save this that.
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Speaker 10: Are in total?
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Speaker 9: Probably four times in total throughout the time that I
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Speaker 9: knew him.
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Speaker 1: Do you truly likes to joining us from Daily Mail?
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that Prince Andrew continued his special relationship
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Speaker 1: with Perr Jeffrey Epstein even after Epstein was charged with
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Speaker 1: sex with young girls?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean there are pictures of the two of
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Speaker 3: them walking together in Central Park, which you know. Andrew
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Speaker 3: then later said it was because he wanted to have
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Speaker 3: a face to face conversation with Epstein to tell him
34:38
Speaker 3: that they could no longer have face to face conversations.
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Speaker 3: But even after all of these allegations were made against Epstein,
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Speaker 3: Andrew did not cut off contact with him. He continued
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Speaker 3: to have a relationship with him.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to you and Bremner, a high
34:51
Speaker 1: profile lawyer out of Seattle. Now you've got a housekeeper
34:57
Speaker 1: or an employee of Epstein's. Andrew is coming to the
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach home, the mansion of Epstein four times a year.
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Speaker 1: It's not necessarily how many times he's been coming. It's
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Speaker 1: the thing that why was he there to start with?
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Speaker 6: Well, absolutely, and a cardinal rule, you know, Nancy of
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Speaker 6: the royal family has been never complain, never explained, and
35:22
Speaker 6: yet Prince andrews now between a rock and a hard
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Speaker 6: place because he's been explaining and explaining, and the more
35:28
Speaker 6: he explains it, the less it makes sense. But then
35:31
Speaker 6: he's not cooperating where there's evidence, there's a photograph that's
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Speaker 6: not my hand, but that's me. You know, I've had
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Speaker 6: his house four times to all the young girls in
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Speaker 6: New York and Palm Beach were.
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Speaker 1: Quote unquote servants.
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Speaker 6: I don't sweat, and have all these pictures of the sweating.
35:45
Speaker 6: You know that we're posted after his what they call
35:48
Speaker 6: a car crash interview.
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Speaker 1: So there's a case Jeffrey Epstein, victim Virginia's Ghifrei charged
35:55
Speaker 1: by police for apparently breaching a family violence restraining order.
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Speaker 1: Then she suffers in an alleged bus crash. How will
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Speaker 1: that affect all of the court proceedings, all of the
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Speaker 1: investigations and the allegations against Epstein, Julane Maxwell and of
36:17
Speaker 1: course Peter Pan. Forever Prince Andrew, we wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Maybe the only person that knows the truth is Virginia
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Speaker 1: Geffrey Will we ever know? Goodbye friend,