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Vikings over Bears, QB Reactions, Eliot Clough on the Hawkeyes Players interviews · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Hi, good afternoon. Welcome Miller and Condon on a
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Tuesday. This is Des Moines sports
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station One O 6.3 KXO in the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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Glad you're with us for the next couple of hours as Trent Condon
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and myself, we'll talk sports with you.
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Here's what's coming up on our program, Dane Mazatani.
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I'm not sure if we'll catch him pre flight or post flight, but
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he was at Soldier Field last night covering the Vikings for
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the Saint Paul Pioneer Press twincities.com.
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Dane Mazatani on the Vikings opening Monday night wind coming
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up here at 1225. Elliot Cleff will take time to
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join us about 12:45 between meeting with some Hawkeye
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players and listening to Kirk Ference will meet the media at
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about 1:45. Elliot on what he heard today at
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12:45. Matt Snyder on Tuesdays talks
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baseball with Trenton I each and every week.
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CBSSports.com is where you can read Matt Snyder, one of their
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Major League Baseball columnist Matt Snyder, one O 2.
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And then we'll get into the Chiefs with our guy Nick Athen
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from what the hell is Nick working now?
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He's got some chiefs blitz.com, Chiefs blitz.com.
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Nick will join us, get his thoughts.
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You know that one play by the way?
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Well, you know what, We'll get to the Chiefs in a second.
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Let's start with the here now and Monday Night Football.
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Last night really was tailed 2 games, right?
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Tailed to two quarterbacks. You're thinking, all right,
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Caleb took a step. Your one to your two.
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What a difference Ben Johnson makes.
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Then they ran out of scripted plays, damn it, and it just went
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all wrong. And then the second-half they
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got Flores. I'm sorry, Brian Flores, A
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defensive coordinator for the Vikings, is as good as there is,
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I think, in the business. And JJ McCarthy, after throwing
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the pick 6, looked like a different quarterback.
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The Vikings win somehow. Yeah, I have no idea how.
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Miss field goals in this day and age where you have, I don't
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know, 60-70 a hundred guys that can kick 60 yarders?
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Yep. Sitting on the street, the Bears
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bring back Cairo Santos that struggles to kick 45 yarders.
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Yep, when you need a ball through the end zone, can't do
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it. Can't do it because he's
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physically unable to do it. And it's just yet more of the
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ineptitude of the same old, same old crappy Bears organization.
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Here comes the new guru. Well, he looks a lot like Mark
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Tressman. He looks a lot like Not Chuck.
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Maggie. What's that idiot's name?
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The other Maggie. Matt Maggie.
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Yeah, he looks like more of the same.
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It is a bunch of pomp and circumstance and nothing behind
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it. It is the same garbage year
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after year after year. This organization sucks.
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Period kick the ball out of bounds that that didn't run
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through his head and nobody, nobody got in his head.
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First year head coach, you know his offense coordinator that
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probably wasn't. But he's the smartest guy out
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there. Well, you have to worry, but
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we're told other duties as a sign.
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That wasn't part of his time in in Detroit.
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To know that kick the ball out of bounds, you're fine.
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That 2 seconds was massive with that time out.
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With only one time out remaining.
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Absolutely, but because they've lost one in a Hawkinson a
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challenge was just ridiculous. His knee was down, he was down,
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he was down, down by contact. Knee and the hip.
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Wasted away. Smartest guy in the room though.
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Oh my God. Didn't look like it.
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He didn't. Caleb Williams missing open
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receivers. He missed a touchdown.
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He did, he did, but they scored on that drive.
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But still they'll take time off the clock, which which obviously
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comes into play and was a factor in that.
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But wide open receiver, that 4th down gamble, I think it was a
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doomsday. Open right over the middle.
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That's a window if you're an NFL quarterback you have to make.
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And going back earlier when they went four down, 4th down, don't
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get it. Kick a field goal there.
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Missed a field goal. Missed a field goal.
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Just on and on and on. And the penalties, I mean, they
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have a dozen. And what did we hear?
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Oh, the changing of the culture. There Yeah, how many pre snap
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penalties they have in that game?
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Locked in, undisciplined and disaster.
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It's again. It's the same old, same old in
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Chicago. It is.
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I couldn't wait to get up and get to work today.
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Your thoughts on JJ McCarthy? It was awful Early.
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Yep. Awful.
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Yep. Good late after the pick six of
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all things, right? And he's got the right guy, as
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you said with KOC, that he's got the right guy.
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However, I also remember who he was going up against.
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Jalen Johnson wasn't there. A lot of the defense was
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missing. But the defense was pretty good
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early in that furlough game. But they got tired.
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I don't know if Edwards is making that play, but there
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were. This was the skeleton carps
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corpse of the the Bears defense. Certainly secondary, yeah.
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And because of that, and then the guy that made the play that
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was on the Vikings practice squad, he also left the game
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with an injury and that didn't look very good, non contact
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injury when he went. Down.
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He was slamming his hands in the ground.
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So if you want to sit here and think that, you got it right.
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No, no, no, I'm just saying that from what we saw in the first
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half, Look, let me read you a text I got in the first half.
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I got a chuckle out of this one because I love fans.
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I mean, that's what's what makes our job so fun, right?
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Where is it? Donald won 14 games.
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JJ can't even get a first down. It was bad, it was bad, it was
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bad. He still finished.
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Finally threw a touchdown that was after the pick 6. 13 of 20
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for 1:40. Three, I think I saw something
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that I don't follow analytics like the 2030 forty 50 year olds
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do, right? It's not part of my game.
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Was he the highest rated quarterback yet this weekend?
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JJ McCarthy. Think so.
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I wouldn't either. He had a 98.5 traditional NFL
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rating. And and was that the highest of
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the week? I think that's the one, Trent.
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Really. 9898.5 Jaden Daniels was second.
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Well, that rating needs to be. Thrown.
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I totally agree with you. I was blown away.
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And you know what other one does?
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You know who was the 24th ranked quarterback this weekend?
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The quarterback that threw 4 touchdown passes.
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Oh really? Yes, Aaron Rodgers was the 24.
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What I hate analytics. Well, that, that's the, I mean
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that quarterback rating's been around for decades.
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Yeah, but you know what? It's just it's one of those
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stats that seem to get pick up more steam with Twitter and you
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and you can find it easier, right?
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We watched sports before we knew who's good and who sucked right
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back in the day. JJ McCarthy, Jerry's out to be
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determined. Right, But you know what?
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I here's what I'll say. If you're a Vikings fan today,
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obviously the first half, you think you're a good God.
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More this you at least hit the pillow last night with hope.
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With hope, yes. Right.
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Caleb Williams, on the other hand, you hit the pillow, man of
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God. It's the same thing.
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It kind of felt like that and it didn't early.
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I'll say this about Caleb Williams.
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He's a tough SOB to get on the ground.
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Some of his better plays last night when he's running the
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football and and these Vikings, they'll get after you.
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This is a really good defense. And they went away from it they
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in the second-half. When they're just up the middle.
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The smartest guy in the world couldn't figure out to move him
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to get him outside. They made him a pocket passer
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and with pressure off the middle and Gordon against Flores,
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where's a drag or something across the middle something
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quick, get it out quickly. Nope. 5 seven step drops and
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hope and pray with your God awful tackles because the Bears
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going to be OK. Because the Bears have
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receivers. They've got receivers, yeah.
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They've got 2 tight ends. They got 2 tight ends.
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I agree. It's not weapons they have a
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fine running. Back they do.
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It's awful tackle play, awful play calling, and an inability
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to realize that you need to use maybe Caleb Williams greatest
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asset, his legs more than they were willing to do.
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The Lions or the Bears? One of those teams will be on 2
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after this week. Ought to be the Bears.
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Ben Johnson going back to DEET. Oh yeah.
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Survivor play for you, baby. I don't like playing divisional
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games. But this one might be on your
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list. This one seems that now the
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Lions of course, playing. Wow, who do they?
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Who do they have? Their Thanksgiving game is
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against the Packers at. Home saving the Packers.
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Got to say both of them. Got to do, got to do.
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Although this week, the night game on, on Thanksgiving.
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I, I love the fact we're one week into it, right and we're
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puffing on our chest. We got this all figured out.
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We've never seen October. I didn't year 1 you.
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Didn't year one year what the first week of October?
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Yes, we're already saving teams. But do you want to win it?
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It's not about making it to week.
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No, I know it's not about waking it making it to Week 9.
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It's about winning the thing. And that's what.
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You have to do. Do you blow Baltimore this week?
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No, too early. Why?
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They're a cinch, right? You move from Week 2 to Week 3.
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If you use Baltimore, they're not losing, they're not going.
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To I'm not in this to survive to Week 7.
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I'm here to win it. If I'm going to invest the
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money, I'm going to do it to try to win the contest.
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And this will be a good one for Mike Palmway joins us on Friday.
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Will more people look to get out of their tickets because of the
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pools, 18,000,000 this year, $18,786,000, something like
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that. That's crazy.
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Last year we thought it was bananas and it was when it when
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it touched past 14,000,000. It's almost 19,000,000 this
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year. I think more people will be
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looking to sell their tickets if they get to, you know, middle of
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October, maybe November, keep a little piece of it and sell it
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to some of the syndicates out there that buy these things up.
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And maybe pay for my next 5 or something.
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That's just it, right? Right, my next 5 donations into
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the the pool that I'll I'm sure be doing the next few years.
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So can I go back to the point about when I've introduced that
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Nick Athens could be on the program?
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You know what I fear is going to happen when it comes to the
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Kansas City Chiefs? Did you see much of the Chiefs
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game? You.
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I knew you were working. You had a high school football
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game. Yeah.
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Just I mean the end, so. You didn't see him.
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Did you see him scramble and run out of the And normally what's
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the quarterback going to do? He's going to run out of bounds.
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Yeah. And he laid a hit on the DB that
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came up and the next DB that comes up's got to have that
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planted in his mind that I got to be ready for this because
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this a hole. And he is, when you do that,
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Just tried to lay me out. Well, how are the officials
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going to handle that? Because they look at him
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differently, Trent. Well, he's not alone.
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Oh I know, but he's probably at the head of the class.
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They looked at 15 differently because he is one of the bell
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cows of the league. As they should.
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OK, but what will they do? Because this guy, no, you can no
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longer take for granted that Mahomes is a going to go out of
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bounds because we've seen that before.
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When he fakes to go out of bounds, DB lays off.
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There was last year because he doesn't want to get flagged and
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all of a sudden Mahomes said I'm going to stay in and get another
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10 yards. Well, this time he's an inch
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away from going out of bounds. He lays out the DB.
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If you're ADB, what are you going to do?
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Hit him? Hit him?
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Yeah. What are the what are the
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officials going to do? Flag him.
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If it's in bounds though. No quarterback got to protect
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him. You just said it, just said it.
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I am so anxious to see. What do you want to have?
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I want him to play like step out of bounds, not have two sets of
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rules for #15 in red. But that's not what it is.
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You're a fan. You're being too much of a fan.
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No, it drives me crazy with this guy.
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They give him their own set of rules.
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Nope. We got to do it differently from
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home. We can't get him hurt, but then
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when he tries to hurt somebody because he's pulling up because
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he doesn't want to get a flag, he tries to lay him out.
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That was a Bush league play. Josh Allen.
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Josh Allen will knock his Josh Allen doesn't need that kind of
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attention. He doesn't.
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Huh. He's 6 foot six, 240 lbs.
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He should be a Bronco. John Elwick, physical runner,
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right. He lay a hit on a linebacker.
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Too, the rules were different back then.
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The quarterbacks didn't have this their own set of rules.
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They were a football player. So Patrick Mahomes isn't a
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meanwhile. That he is, but then when they
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get near the sidelines got to protect them.
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I don't know where to go with this.
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I'm anxious to see what happens because I know damn well what's
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going to happen and I think 99% of the listening audience that
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doesn't go to bed in their chiefs pyjamas feels the same
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way I do about this. I think you feel this way
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because. I hate the Chiefs.
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Yeah, I hate the Chiefs. I used to hate the Chiefs.
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That's. Why you feel this way?
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This is. They've won the division nine
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straight years, right? I'm 66 years old, right?
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Yeah, it's it's kind of overdue that this team is not
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representing the AFC West. And I'm here to tell you that
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they're not this year because I think there's a new sheriff in
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town after this weekend. What we saw the team that beat
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the Chiefs. Oh yeah, it's happening this
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year. Well, did you see the Chargers
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play? They looked really good.
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And, you know, in particular, it looked really good.
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Herbert. Yeah, we've seen Herbert.
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Looking before, Yep. Let's see it for a full season.
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Let's see it in a big game. Let's see the.
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Players look good. His offensive line looked good.
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The defense has always been adequate.
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They've got a kicker. They've got a head coach.
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This might be the year for the Chargers, not maybe to win a
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Super Bowl, because I still think it's Baltimore or Buffalo,
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one of the bees in the AFC. But the Chargers team looks like
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they're ready to, you know, take a step.
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Did you buy any chargers before the year?
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How do? You know, every year.
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Them and the Bengals. I I've heard for the last, well,
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eight years that happened with the Chiefs.
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I've heard that this is going to be the Chargers time.
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I've heard these all before. Behave the Holmes, I've heard it
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all. And I just hate the way that he
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gets it. He, he, there's a Owens, there's
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a patch of my home set of rules and then there's the other 31
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starting quarterbacks. But it's not that way.
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Seems like it is. I see quarterbacks all the time
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get protected. It's not just Patrick Mahomes.
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It's because they're in private spots.
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Well, that could be, yes. You see them a lot more.
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That could be than anybody else. That's true.
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And the protections are there. And on top of it, you're seeing
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red, literally and figuratively, because it's the team that you
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despise. Scream and get them anyways.
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We'll see, because it's going to come up.
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You know damn well that's going to do that.
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Who do they have? Oh, they've got Philadelphia.
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Absolutely. My God.
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Owen 2 hole. What's happening?
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02 hole? What's the number on that game?
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Have you seen as Chiefs? 1 1/2.
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Are they're favoured? They are.
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That's kind of surprising to me. Is it?
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Yeah. You were that impressed by
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Philadelphia? Not really.
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But I wasn't, I wasn't impressed by the by the Chiefs.
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And if traps Kelsey takes an extra step on that ball, we can
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be talking completely different about that game.
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Too. Yeah, yeah.
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Inside the table. Yep.
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Nope, You're right, You're right.
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Is is there a game this week that just stands out to you from
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a betting perspective? Because I think I've.
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Got one the, I believe, overreaction.
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Yeah, it was there beforehand, right?
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Atlanta getting 4 1/2 in Minnesota seems like a lot.
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That seems like a ton in that game that I think is going to be
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a really good one that comes down the wire.
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That's one of my that's one of nuts on my list.
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Was a little bit surprised not to see the Steelers north of a
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field goal. They host Seattle.
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I thought that thing would be a tick higher in that 3 1/2 range.
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It's inside of that. Seattle taking the long trip
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after losing the divisional game in a tough one against San
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Francisco. That was a little bit of a
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surprise and the team that you saw a lot on Sunday afternoon.
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That's where I'm going, Trent. The Titans, with that defense,
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they're good at home, getting 5 1/2.
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They're good. Now we'll see about camp.
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You were impressed even though the stats didn't, I thought.
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He was the best quarterback on the field.
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And the Rams team talk about an escape.
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Yep, Yep, Texans are driving with the ball inside the 30.
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Because of the fact that it's the Rams and the country still
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thinks the Titans stink, might that number go to six?
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Six. Because that's a big number if
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you can get 6 opposed to 5 1/2. Is that going to be a survivor
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play? The Tennessee Titans.
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No, no, no, the Rams. Well, I hope so me.
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Too. I really do because I think the
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Tennessee's got a chance to pick them off.
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Because yeah, a ton of people will be on the Ravens for sure
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at home against Cleveland. I think we're going to split in
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both of our picks. Both of them, Yeah.
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I'm trying to talk the group into it.
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Split in between the two. Just go in Baltimore, Both of
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them. Baltimore, Baltimore.
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Baltimore. Baltimore.
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What do the Ravens have? Play Thanksgiving.
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They play Thanksgiving. Against the Bengals.
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So you're going to cut it down then to only five teams
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available and you don't love the Lions, what you saw in Week 1?
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I don't like the Packers on the road.
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Packers. So the Packers and the Lions
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played last Thanksgiving, didn't they?
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I can't remember. Who did The Who did what did the
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Packers? Was that two years ago when the
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Packers are really bad and they beat the Lions on Thanksgiving?
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Let's see, 2024. No, it was last year.
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It was Lions, Bears, Cowboys, Giants, Packers.
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Did the Bears beat the Packers last year on Thanksgiving?
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Well, they would have played the Lions.
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I don't know. I I remember the I I thought the
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Packers upset somebody. No, you don't remember.
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All right. So Green Bay, Detroit, Kansas
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City, Dallas. Sensi Bolt.
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I don't know. We'll see.
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Long way to go. I got to get there first, all
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right? Baseball for what the What are
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you seeing in MLB as Tuesdays and Wednesdays are for baseball
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after all. Awful start last night from
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Imanaka gets blown up in the 1st.
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What happened? I saw they were down 3.
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Nothing very early. Yes, gave up an early one did.
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Anybody in Chicago notice? No, probably not.
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No, Twins got a win last night. Oh boy.
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Yeah, didn't, didn't watch a pitch.
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Trent, they've now moved to 12 games back in the wild card.
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Oh nice, yet to be eliminated. Oh, still alive?
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Still, mathematically, the only team that's been eliminated in
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the American League, the White Sox.
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Meanwhile, in the National League, the Rockies have
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officially helped. Are we?
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Going to get Yankees, Red Sox in the first round.
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That's what I'm hoping for. Wild card round.
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No, because I don't think that I think the Jays are going to
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follow the wild card. You do.
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I do. Bullpens bad.
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Yeah, bullpens. I think the Yankees will.
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I think the Yankees will prevail.
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But I would love to see Yankees and Red Sox, one of those two
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teams obviously get knocked out early in this bad boy.
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All right. Dame Mazatani next.
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He covers the Vikings. twincities.com, Saint Paul
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Pioneer Press will get his thoughts.
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I wonder if he had started his column already and had to
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restart it at any point. Oh, I'm sure we'll ask him about
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that as the Vikings win on Monday.
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Sunday Night Football. Miller and Condon underweights
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Des Moines sports station one O 6.3 on the Iowa Sports Radio
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Network. I'm Hillary Condon.
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Welcome back Iowa sports radio network.
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Trenton Ken with you until 2O clock at that time off the
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bench, Sean Roberts Lucas trained 2 until 5 working on
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Dane Mazatani travelling back from Chicago.
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Hopefully will be able to run him down, but potentially travel
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plans of throwing a monkey wrench in the thing.
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If not today, tomorrow we will talk to Dane at some point.
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The 49ers, who have their own injury troubles have also
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released their kicker Jake Moody.
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Surprised actually it took this long.
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I mean, he's he has not been good for them and then to you
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know to have the troubles that he had.
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Did you see much of that game? I did not.
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I just saw that Purdy's finally, I guess there.
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I mean, it was a touchdown and how it was a touchdown.
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He got really lucky. I thought Seattle seemingly had
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a chance to win that game, but they didn't give the Niners full
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credit for going on the road. Where are you on that team?
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Got to be healthy and when the McCaffrey thing popped up on
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Thursday last week. Could you believe it?
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Oh my God, after not being on it all week, right?
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And all of a sudden that pops up and then Friday, I'll be fine.
19:29
I'll be fine and he looked good. I mean the the clips that I saw,
19:32
he looked fine out there. But the Purdy injury, the Kittle
19:35
injury, which sounds pretty significant, I'll play.
19:38
Him on the IR, so he's going to miss at least four weeks.
19:40
This is a team that had to pay guys.
19:42
They don't have the same depth that they had, you know, 2-3
19:45
years ago. And with that, you get really
19:47
concerned quickly, as we saw a year ago, when injuries start to
19:49
pile up, when you don't have the same kind of depth, it happens
19:53
really, really fast. So I would be pretty concerned
19:56
right now if I was a Niners fan. Is there a team that that you
20:01
not necessarily because look, they're they're Owen one if it's
20:03
if they got off to a bad start. So clearly everything is fine
20:06
except for the Dolphins. And that's not fine, no.
20:10
But is there a team that you. Oh boy, maybe I missed on this
20:14
one. I wish I didn't have all these
20:15
futures on X because they look nowhere near like I thought that
20:19
they were going. To be well, it's not really a
20:20
futures thing, but when we did our picks, I took Atlanta to win
20:24
the South and I don't feel awful about it.
20:27
Still. What?
20:28
Kind of game did Penix have. He was pretty solid.
20:30
Now they were awful inside the red zone and they were aided and
20:33
he died for the end zone at one point.
20:34
Is he a better? Is he?
20:35
More of a threat to run than to throw at this point in his
20:37
career, no. No, he's not a good runner.
20:39
Athleticism's never been. Certainly one of the strengths
20:42
for him. I thought he was OK.
20:44
Yeah, the numbers paint that he was great.
20:45
He wasn't great, but I thought he was OK against that Tampa
20:48
team. They got some dude they'll come
20:49
after. You too.
20:49
I think Tampa's gonna be a major factor in the NFC.
20:52
Absolutely, Anabuka. On the weapon, yeah.
20:55
Godwin will be back here pretty quick and that team's scary.
20:58
I hope Godwin takes his time because rookie rookie of the
21:01
year tickets like 28 to one on him and he right, he looks like
21:05
he absolutely belongs. They're going to be a they're
21:07
going to be a factor, especially in that division, right?
21:09
Saints are God awful, Panthers are terrible.
21:12
It seemed like it was going to be a two team race going into
21:14
it. It seems like it's still going
21:16
to be a two team race and obviously Tampa has the leg up
21:20
with the winner on that. I want to say one more thing
21:22
about the Monday night game last night and I was going to save it
21:26
for Dane. But when we get Dane later on, I
21:29
don't want to forget because there was a lot of social media
21:33
about this. Jim Carnellison, the anthem
21:36
singer. I mean, it's as good of a
21:39
national anthem as as I believe that there is out there, right?
21:41
And as a hockey fan, I've heard him do dozens of them.
21:45
Because he does all the Blackhawk.
21:46
Sure. And when The Jets are playing in
21:48
the United Center, of course I get to hear it.
21:51
And then when they were making the runs through the cups and
21:53
what was it, 911 and 13 or 1113 and 15, whatever those 3 cups
21:59
were to begin that decade of the teens, we got a lot of Jim
22:02
Cornellis. But my God, could.
22:04
What a set of pipe. Strength.
22:06
Yes, what a set of pipe. It's different than, I think
22:08
what we're kind of used to for a lot of people when it comes to
22:11
the anthem. But he does it a different.
22:13
Way he just starts out just right.
22:14
There's no build up no to this thing.
22:16
He just 100 miles an hour off the bat.
22:19
He he's done playoff games for the Bears before.
22:22
You mentioned the Indy 500 before.
22:23
We did do that, right? He he sings back home again in
22:26
Indiana. The song that they play, yeah,
22:29
preceding it. He's tremendous.
22:31
It really gets you revved up. It really does, but I I found
22:35
out last night that not a lot of well, people imagine say that
22:38
it's hard to gauge, but people found found him for the first
22:41
time just blown away as I think I probably was the first time I
22:44
ever heard him sing the national anthem anthem.
22:48
What a treat, Jack. Thanks for being patient, Jack.
22:50
How are you? What's on your mind?
22:53
Boys, how are you this morning? Well, well.
22:54
Well, thank you. Good, good.
22:57
I want to talk a little smack to your partner, Mr. Condon.
23:01
We are playing this week in KXNOS.
23:06
Fantasy. Football.
23:07
Trench are going down Rock star O and 1.
23:12
You know, I'm hoping to whoop you.
23:14
Listen, I turned 50 in November. I'm going to let you guys know
23:18
that the 1st 3/4 of that game last night might have been the
23:21
worst quarterback play I have ever seen ever.
23:27
If McCarthy didn't have JJ, Justin Jefferson to throw to,
23:32
you'd still be looking. You'd be looking.
23:35
At that, he caught the two point conversion.
23:36
Oh, that's right, he did. Yep, that was it.
23:38
Yep, Yep. Am I wrong?
23:41
Kenny I mean, no, it was bad. It was bad.
23:44
It was it was bad. Aaron Jones led the team with
23:47
receiving, I think because he had that one long win.
23:50
Against the Yeah. But yeah, you know, it was bad.
23:53
So what? But when the game was over, what
23:55
did you come away with? Thinking about JJ.
23:57
Jack, are you there? I guess he's not.
24:02
I guess he's gone. Thanks for the call, Jack.
24:03
Appreciate it. I, I think that look, I don't
24:05
disagree with what he was not terrible.
24:07
It was terrible early. I mean this, this is a guy that
24:09
saw Tommy Kramer and Wade Wilson and a lot of in between.
24:13
Those guys fit into in between, don't they?
24:15
Very much. They really do.
24:17
And it was awful. Who was flat out suck for the
24:21
ponder? Oh yeah, Ponder would be in the
24:24
conversation as when the flat out stinks.
24:28
Who else did they have that was just God awful?
24:32
Well, they've had the the couple of guys recently that came in
24:35
there, Josh Dobbs. The rocket scientist.
24:39
Nick Mullins. Yeah.
24:41
Can I interest you in a little Tavarius Jackson?
24:45
My wife still has a Tavarius Jackson.
24:46
Wasn't. He a high draft pick.
24:48
Higher than round maybe. Yeah, second, third, something
24:51
like that. And did he find?
24:52
Did he wind up in Seattle? Maybe he.
24:53
Did yeah, Yeah. Started some games there.
24:56
Gus Farrott started a couple of games.
24:57
How about a little Todd Bowman for you?
24:59
The sun's at South Dakota. His son.
25:00
This is a South Dakota. Oh, Sean.
25:03
Salisbury. See, I like Sean Salisbury.
25:06
You do? No, I'll tell you why I like
25:08
Sean Salisbury. You're the one.
25:09
Well, it's not good stuff for that.
25:11
It's now, you know, I'm not going to tell you because it
25:13
means it's neither here. OK, I've gone too far, but
25:17
you're really going to be disappointed by what I'm going
25:18
to tell you. I like him because Winnipeg went
25:21
through like a 25 year period without winning a Grey Cup.
25:24
He finally. Won a Grey Cup?
25:26
Oh really? OK.
25:27
So that's why, and I was still home.
25:29
I was still in Canada. So that's fine, right?
25:31
Yes. That Spurgeon Win started Birch
25:35
and win started two games in 2001.
25:38
So Jack just said that's as bad as he seen.
25:40
And I just named, I don't know, a half dozen quarterbacks on the
25:43
surface were pretty bad in their own right.
25:46
And that's how bad it was for 3/4 last year.
25:48
It was terrible. Now we had this conversation
25:50
last year and when you look at this Vikings team and what they
25:53
have set up, not just with KOC, who's tremendous, his record of
25:57
1 score games year one was I dynamite set back in year 2.
26:01
Last year was great again and got another one.
26:03
Want to know this year. But you couple it with who you
26:06
talked about Flores, of course he's not getting another job.
26:09
I don't. Think he is Trent.
26:10
I don't think he, I don't think he will.
26:11
And that's why I said a year ago, this organization is set up
26:15
for the future, maybe as well as anybody.
26:17
Did he interview this last job cycle?
26:19
I don't remember. If he did, he didn't have a ton.
26:22
And I'm with you, I don't think he's going to get.
26:23
It's going to be a while. Yes, Yep, yes, set up in a way
26:29
where you got your play caller and head coach who seems to get
26:31
it. Yes.
26:33
Beloved easy guy nose offense? Check.
26:38
Great stadium, great. Stadium fan base that's going to
26:42
support you. Radio.
26:43
Play by play guy. Not that that matters, but we're
26:45
big PA fans. And then you go to the other
26:48
side and you look, these last two years with Flores there,
26:51
they haven't had a ton of pieces they've had to adjust on the fly
26:57
and he's made chicken salad on. The chicken, Oh my God, more
26:59
often than not. And now he's got some dudes, Yes
27:02
he does. He's got his kind of yes, he
27:03
does on the outside. Grenard's been was unbelievable.
27:07
The middle of that defense against a beer.
27:10
Who's the guy that I'd never heard of last night?
27:12
They. Oh yeah, they came and made the
27:13
play. The young guy they were, they
27:14
were raving about, he came and made a play.
27:17
They're they're deep, they're talented and they have a guy
27:20
that will get it. And he certainly does.
27:23
Yep, I agree. They are so.
27:25
Kicker hit from what, 58 or 5959?
27:28
Reichardt, I sold your field. That's got that's not easy.
27:32
That's Kyra Santos. Right.
27:35
That's not easy. No, not at all.
27:37
This organization is set up incredibly well.
27:39
And if JJ McCarthy isn't great? But if he's OK, if he's better
27:45
than league average, he is consistently the 12th through
27:49
16th best quarterback in the league.
27:51
If he does that, you're in really good shape.
27:54
And then if you sneak into the into the top 10 some, I'm not
27:57
saying top five because that those spots are taken.
28:00
I mean, think about the quarterbacks in this league to
28:02
try to be, if you're going to just name five of them, think of
28:04
a couple of dudes you're going to have to leave out of any
28:07
conversation. But yeah, you're right.
28:09
If he's 12 to 1516 with the rest of this roster, with a defensive
28:13
coordinator, with the offensive minded head coach, you're going
28:16
to you're going to do some damage in the playoffs.
28:18
And they did it last night with no pair of saw.
28:20
Nope, they did it last. Night.
28:23
Yes, with no Harrison Smith. It was still made.
28:26
Skulty or skulky or something that came in?
28:28
He had some issues, but Darasaw's going to be back and
28:32
now you kind of look big picture.
28:34
The running game really didn't get going, but it's going to be
28:36
there with those two running backs.
28:38
Mason's legit. And with Darasaw back then in
28:40
the run game, you feel really good about it.
28:44
This division's going to be good, is it?
28:46
I think so. At the top or one through 4.
28:49
I think it's going to be solid throughout.
28:50
Look, my bears are my bears. No, look, I'm not.
28:53
I'm not killing you bears, you know I'm killing.
28:54
I'm killing lions. Yeah.
28:57
Is it fair to kill them though? I mean, isn't there too much
28:59
talent? What's killing them that they
29:01
fall back to 9 and eight, 8-9, something like that?
29:04
Well, yeah, that I should have used a different word.
29:06
Yeah, they're, they're going to be, they're going to be a good
29:08
team. And that's where I'm going.
29:10
But they're not. Going to be the what?
29:11
What were they last year? 15 and two, yeah, they're not.
29:14
15 and two, they're 9:00 and 8:00.
29:15
Maybe that's still a good team that's.
29:17
Still a good team, you know, if they hang around, maybe in
29:19
contention for a for a wild card.
29:21
They got too much talent there, but the Packers blew them away.
29:24
Right. The Packers were unbelievable
29:28
and I went into this year thinking, I mean, I wish I had
29:30
Green. All the Detroit tickets I had, I
29:33
wish they said Green Bay. Jordan Love didn't have to do
29:36
much either. He didn't.
29:39
Got a defence. They've got a defence.
29:41
Got a running game, you know I like Jacobs coming into this
29:43
year, you know it's going to be a good division.
29:46
I agree. The Bears now 3 and 17 in their
29:49
last 20 divisional games. What worries me about Caleb
29:52
Williams and where I think I might be wrong on on my opinion
29:56
on him. And again, they were really good
29:58
through the scripted plays, his accuracy down the field, Trent,
30:04
I mean, that's that's alarming. He's.
30:05
Sloppy. He's just what?
30:08
You just can't miss those dudes at that level.
30:10
He's sloppy with his footwork, he's sloppy with all the things
30:13
that you need to do. And it's the same things that we
30:15
heard all offseason and the Cappy came in here.
30:17
Oh, it's just people blowing smoke in it.
30:20
There's nothing to it. It looks like there's something.
30:23
To it, I mean, go back to Twitter from like 7:30 to 8:30
30:26
last night and and everybody, you know, building up Caleb
30:31
Williams, like next stop Canton. Meanwhile, JJ McCarthy is going
30:36
to be in Canada, his next stop and the change around and I'm, I
30:39
don't know, I'm anxious to see what JJ McCarthy does this week
30:43
against Atlanta, who's got a pretty good defense, you know,
30:46
does he build on that fourth quarter?
30:48
Is there steps if he wins? He did, he wins.
30:53
Got to give him credit for that. Elliot Clough next will catch up
30:57
with him. He's met with some of the
30:59
Hawkeye players that were made available and prior to Kirk
31:02
Ference will get his take on Massachusetts.
31:05
Just when we thought Albany might be the worst team to ever
31:08
play Kinnick, there might be a new leader in the clubhouse
31:10
after this week. Miller and Condon and Iowa
31:12
Sports Radio Network. I'm Mary Condon, welcome back
31:22
about 12 fourty 5 or so. Trent and I take you until 2O
31:27
clock kicking off our number two.
31:29
We will talk baseball with Matt tonight and right now we're
31:31
going to talk Hawks. Elliot Kluss been busy this
31:34
morning as he's been listening some of the players they've met
31:37
with the media, at least a handful of them.
31:39
Kirk Ference coming up in about an hour from right now.
31:42
So Elliot, then folks at Hawkeye Insider will have that one
31:44
covered for you. Elliot Trenton, Ken, thank you
31:46
for coming on. Good to speak with you as
31:49
always. We appreciate you doing this for
31:50
us on a Tuesday. Who did you meet today?
31:53
And maybe a take away or two from from what you heard
31:57
earlier, Are they over the the game on Saturday and looking
32:01
ahead or is there still some lingering after effects?
32:04
Yeah, I talked with quite a few guys today, Ken Kaden, Wegen,
32:07
Ethan Herket, DJ Hall Group. You know, I think they reflect
32:13
Kirk Ference pretty, pretty well.
32:15
Kirk is has kind of been known as a coach that can galvanized
32:19
the guys after a loss and and not let a season spiral.
32:22
And I mean, you just get that feel from the guys, right?
32:24
Like they they talked about the Iowa State game.
32:26
Of course, they talked about their mistakes.
32:28
They talked about how they can improve going forward.
32:30
But really, I mean, what we hear a lot from these guys after a
32:34
bad play or, or, or after a tough loss is flush it.
32:38
And that's pretty much the the thought from the guys right now
32:41
is, is flush it and move on. Talk with Kaden Wegen about, you
32:45
know, some of his returns and then flipping on that pic and,
32:48
and Mark talked about how he can go through his reads a little
32:52
bit quicker and, and he felt like he played a lot better this
32:55
this weekend, stayed a little bit more calm, ready to go.
32:58
But yeah, not, not a ton to take away, especially going into to a
33:02
game like UMass, there's just not a whole lot to talk about
33:05
when it comes to the Minutemen. Not, not a stellar program that
33:09
they're playing this weekend. So yeah, it's, it's, it's tough
33:14
right now in just a few days separated from that loss.
33:16
But they do, they do have that 24 hour rule and, and they stick
33:19
to it. They they flush it and move on.
33:21
There was a lot of talk and some of the things that I see that
33:24
you've compiled over a Hawkeye insider about the slow mesh
33:27
talking with Gronowski. I think also Ortworth talked a
33:30
little bit about it, the slow mesh we saw for a couple of
33:32
plays, it was intriguing. At the very least, take us a
33:35
little bit deeper in is this going to be a a building block
33:40
and and a pretty major 10 of what Iowa does going forward.
33:43
That's a good question. Of course, you know, they don't
33:46
want to give us everything regarding their their plan or
33:48
their game plans going forward. But yeah, it it sounds like it's
33:52
something that they want to do and added wrinkle for the
33:54
offense and to keep opposing defenses guessing a little bit.
33:59
It's it's definitely fun for us, right.
34:01
Like we don't usually get to see new wrinkles in an Iowa offense.
34:05
But yeah, one thing that Mark said is, is keeping the date
34:07
defense guessing, forcing them to, you know, commit to a run or
34:11
a pass before the plays even really started.
34:14
Yeah, I I think it's something that that really interested the
34:17
staff when when they were looking at bringing on Warren
34:20
Ruggiero. And to see it already in Week 2
34:22
is it was kind of surprising. But and actually one thing that
34:26
Mark said is I think it was the run that that he took off
34:29
himself. They kind of lucked out.
34:30
I would state defense kind of lucked out with the coverage
34:33
they ran because they were expecting to have a big play
34:35
over the top. But the coverage that Iowa State
34:38
ran didn't didn't quite allow him to do it.
34:40
So that was kind of an interesting note to take away.
34:42
So not just the the big play action that that they missed on
34:46
or sorry, the the pass interference that was called
34:49
with with Seth Anderson on on the deep shot.
34:52
They were looking to do it again at another point just didn't
34:54
work out. So kind of an interesting note
34:57
from today. But yeah, I would not surprise
34:59
me if they at least continue to riot.
35:01
Run it a couple times, probably. Again, probably not this
35:03
weekend. Again, UMass, where they're not
35:05
going to want to be showing a lot.
35:06
But it would not surprise me if they run it, you know, against
35:09
Rutgers down the road or or Oregon or what have you, just to
35:13
keep a defense guessing. The running back position, I was
35:16
surprised that surprised, but maybe not the Terrell Washington
35:19
still listed as the starter. There is an OR down there
35:22
between Williams and Patterson. Boy, it sure seemed to me like
35:25
Patterson might be the guy, at least till some of The Walking
35:29
wounded get back. Patterson I thought was one of
35:32
the more productive Hawks this past weekend.
35:33
Are you surprised to see him where he is on the depth chart
35:36
at this point? Honestly, this is not Ken.
35:39
I think this is one of those situations where when Kirk says
35:43
don't really pay, he doesn't really pay attention to the
35:45
depth chart. This is exactly what this is
35:47
exactly what he's talking about. Like like Jazz is just going to
35:50
have to get more carries going forward.
35:52
I think I think there is some strategy to this as well.
35:55
Personally, I think Xavier Williams should be RB 1.
35:58
I don't think he touched the ball enough this weekend.
36:01
And, you know, maybe that's that's in part to a few
36:03
different things that, you know, the way the Iowa State defense
36:06
was running or who knows, maybe he cramped or something.
36:09
But I thought that he should have gotten more carious this
36:12
weekend. As far as Jazz, to tell you the
36:15
truth, Ken, I think what they're doing right now is that they're
36:18
allowing. They're allowing.
36:20
Maybe you're willing to get those initial carries.
36:23
And then Jazz is just the perfect compliment once the
36:25
defense starts to, you know, start coughing and puffing a
36:27
little bit and then you get punched in the mouth by a guy
36:30
who runs just one speed. There is, there is no, there's
36:34
no hesitancy for the way he runs the ball.
36:36
It is straightforward 100. Percent gas, all gas, no brakes.
36:39
And and to do that, you know, put the defense on their back
36:42
heels a little bit, I think. And it was the program, if you
36:48
will, Otherwise you might get knocked out.
36:50
So I I to me, that's that's the way it looks for the first two
36:54
games. Of course, I could change going
36:56
forward, but that's the way it looks at me and it's urgent.
36:58
I mean, Jazz is playing the best ball that that he played that
37:01
Iowa. Hey, it sounds like Elliot,
37:03
you're a little bit faint on the line here.
37:05
Not sure exactly what happened on that.
37:07
See if we can get you back on here.
37:09
I don't know. Take a step to your right.
37:10
Yeah, something inside the bowels of the Hawkeye complex,
37:14
or maybe something happened there.
37:15
You got us back, Elliot. Yes, I do.
37:17
All right. How much of that did you catch?
37:19
Perfect, perfect guys. Hey, one final thing for me.
37:22
I let Ken wrap up with you. And on the defensive side of the
37:24
football, there were certainly a lot of good moments early in the
37:27
game. Holding them to 2 field goals
37:29
feels like that. They're pretty solid.
37:31
There is one thing that came out of today, the players talking
37:35
about forcing turnovers. Now you want to play clean, you
37:37
don't want to get beat over the top.
37:39
It's difficult to do that. What do you expect to see in
37:42
order for them to generate that kind of pressure in and to be a
37:45
little bit more ball Hocking to force some turnovers?
37:49
Yeah, You know, that's that's a tough call because just the way
37:54
that I will run their defense is so much predicated on generating
37:59
pressure and making the quarterback uncomfortable in
38:01
order to force those turnovers. But it doesn't always result in
38:05
its sacks. It doesn't always result in
38:07
pressures. It doesn't always result in QB
38:09
hits, if you will. I don't know.
38:11
I think it might have a little bit to do with just the fact
38:14
that, you know, we're early on in the season.
38:16
Balls haven't been tipped the way that, you know, maybe you
38:18
would like. I, I think TJ Hall, if there's
38:21
anybody that I had to pick to, to end up getting, you know, one
38:25
of those first picks of the season of those first turnovers,
38:28
it would be him just because of the way that he's played so far
38:31
this season. We heard a little bit about him
38:33
taking his game to the next level this offseason.
38:36
And, and it really looks to me like he has like, of course,
38:39
Iowa State had a few drops this weekend, but man, I mean, he's
38:43
just playing at such a high level, especially relative to
38:46
what we've seen from him before. I, you know, honestly, I just
38:49
think it's time. I think it's it's getting a
38:51
little lucky with a, with a tip ball here and there and we'll
38:55
see. You know, I think it'll depend
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on who they play. It would honestly like it'll,
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it'll shock me if they leave this UMass game without a
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turnover, at least one. Like they're just too many
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things that just didn't go their way this last week.
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That punch ball out by Jayden Harrell that that got recovered
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by Iowa State, the tip ball that was caught by Gabe Burkle.
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Like they're, they're going to get one of these these these
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things to go their way eventually.
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And I think if there's an opportunity for it to happen,
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it's against the Minutemen this weekend.
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Yeah, sure. Similarly would be.
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I'm with you. I thought TJ Hall played well.
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Another guy. We didn't talk about yesterday's
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Jonah Pace, so I thought he had a decent game as well.
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Listen, we're up against the clock.
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Ellie. Appreciate you doing this for
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us. We'll grab you next Tuesday if
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your schedule allows. Hopefully, for our sake, it
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does. Thank you, buddy.
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Appreciate you coming on. Sounds good.
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Thanks. Guys, good to talk to you LA
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Clef as we check in on iowahawkeyeinsider.com, part of
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24/7 Sports. 24/7 Sports What Kirk.
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Are we going to get here at 1:45 this afternoon?
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We're going to get salty Kirk. We're going to get monotone,
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Kirk. Monotone.
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Kirk. Monotone, Kirk.
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Too early for Salty Kirk. Turn the page.
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Yeah, bring the team with them. UMass should be a laugher.
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Well, it should be all right. If you want to go to the game,
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you have to pick up the tickets. So they can't.
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You can't win them and then send Uncle Bill to get them because
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Uncle Bill, the tickets are going to be in your name.
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