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Episode 16 - From Preacher’s Kid to Legendary Bull: Pagan & The4Whore'sMen · The Bull Brotherhood

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I remember on my wedding night, I was a virgin.
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My wife was not, because I was already into slutty
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girls. And I remember she was like, are you sure
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this is your first time? Because I always was
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adept at sexual things. This podcast contains
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explicit adult content, mature themes, and candid
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If you're not comfortable with frank talk about
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sex, kink, dominance, or emotional power, this
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probably isn't the show for you. But if you're
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ready to step into your masculine edge and embrace
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a lifestyle that demands mastery, welcome to
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the Brotherhood. Welcome to the Bull Brotherhood
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Podcast, where we talk power, pleasure, and the
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art of dominance in ethical non -monogamy. This
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is not your average lifestyle podcast. This is
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for men who lead, men who master, and men who
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leave a lasting impression. If you're here, you're
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not just curious. You're ready to elevate. So
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to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open
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-minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. Ladies
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and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another
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informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast.
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I'm the Sigma male himself, Mr. Brian Morgan,
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one third of my podcast team, along with my lovely
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family, the beautiful Siren. Say hello, sweetheart.
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Hello, everyone. And of course, my nephew and
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partner in crime, the ever -loving, the man himself,
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my boy. Say hello, dog. What's good, y 'all?
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What's good? Hello, hello. And his name is Socrates.
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Ladies and gentlemen, tonight we have a brother
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coming to us from the city of angels, Los Angeles.
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He refers to himself as the sapiosexual black
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bull. He's mostly dominant, hella primal by nature,
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enjoys the cuckold hot wife as well as the hot
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wife vixen and stag lifestyle, adept in various
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dom and sub dynamics. He's entered the BDSM as
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well as the Dom Sub Power Dynamic and Shibari
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Rope Tying as well. I mentioned in talking to
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him about this. He's also one of the founders
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of a group of hung -fit black bulls in the L
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.A. area called the Four Horsemen. A particular
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depth in the wide spectrum called race play.
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We're damn sure going to talk about that. which
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includes B, BNWO fantasies, and a myriad of other
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racial kinks, including recent forays into interracial
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sex magic. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the
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Bull Brotherhood, again from the City of Angels,
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the man himself, Pagan. What's going on, brother?
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What's going on, my people? I am excited to be
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on the Bull Brotherhood podcast. Long -time listener.
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First -time guest, what's going on? Hey, man,
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it's your world. It is your world. It is definitely
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a pleasure to have you up here. Socrates and
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myself have wanted you up here for quite some
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time. We know you are a very, very busy man,
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so thank you. Thank you for allotting some time
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tonight to be on the Bull Brotherhood. It's a
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pleasure, and I'm very grateful to get a chance
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to be here. I really believe in you guys' ethos,
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your mission statement of doing what we can.
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as gentlemen who have experience to pass it on.
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make it easier for the next generation so thank
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you i appreciate it all right all right well
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look we're gonna kick it off uh i'm i'm i'm definitely
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excited because i really want to know the origin
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of the of the sapiosexual one i love saying that
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i really do i really do love saying that there's
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not many brothers that i can like get that out
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of you know when they say hey i'm i'm into that
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sapiosexual you know i know you want to get inside
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somebody's somebody's head so i mean just just
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this just let's just kick it off i mean give
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me your give me your like origin like where you
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live you know how did you get into this lifestyle
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etc etc yeah so i didn't always live in l .a
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i lived in a smaller town and i was raised really
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religious i was raised kind of cloistered your
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friends were in the religion you don't really
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hang out with people outside of it you marry
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in the religion it was very cloistered you know
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basically fundamentalist christian and so That
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was an interesting upbringing. I would never
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change it for the world. I think a lot of why
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I'm successful in the lifestyle, ironically,
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comes from that background and that training
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I had. But that said, I was a virgin when I was
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22 years old and got married. So that's how tight
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I was in that religion. And then after about
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six, seven years, I just realized that I not
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only was questioning the religion that I was
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in. But I was also questioning my decision to
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get married that young because that's just what
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you did if you wanted to have sex in my religion,
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which is not a great reason, I think, for people
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to get married. So, yeah. So I had to break ties
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with my marriage and my religion at the same
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time, which was seismic because I was born in
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this. All of my friends were in it, my whole
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infrastructure. And I was basically just... overnight
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outside of that so that was when however i found
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this new tribe i started getting interested in
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the lifestyle i was always very sexual i remember
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on my wedding night i was a virgin my wife was
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not because i was already into silly girls and
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i remember she was like are you sure this is
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your first time because i've always was adept
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at sexual things so cut to i'm now divorced and
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i'm free and i'm unfettered So I started delving
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into the lifestyle. I remember the first thing
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I went to was a party that would now be called
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content creating. But back then it was damn near
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dial -up probably. So it was just a woman with
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a camera in the room that would put it on later.
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But it was like maybe 12 guys and me in a room.
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That was like the first thing I was invited to
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as a single male. And that's the kind of things
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you jump on. You didn't go to like Tinder or
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something first? You were just like, boom, I'm
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doing lifestyle. Oh, I should clarify. Like,
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I've been in the lifestyle for over 20 years.
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So there was no Tinder. There was no, you know,
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this is back when people were in chat rooms and
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stuff like that. But yeah, it was definitely
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like a dive right in type thing. And pretty soon
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after that, I started saying, I want to create
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a party that's like a little more high end than
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what I'm going to. So I started like coaching
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people from each one I went to, the high quality
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guys, the high quality couples, women. And then
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I started making my own parties. And that's when
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I started the Four Horsemen, which was just me
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and a few other guys that I knew were high quality,
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that I knew could be in a group, could be cool
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together after a few drinks. All the things that
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we look for in quality men. I started doing that
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a long time ago, finding quality bulls. I didn't
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even know the term bull at the time. But that's
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what I started doing, putting parties together
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for the Four Horsemen and ladies that appreciated
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us. So that's kind of my way. I love that name,
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the Four Horsemen. I love it. But, you know,
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the reason why I picked that name is because,
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number one, the number four is in it, which means
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don't ask me for 12 guys or 15 guys or, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, you know, I just
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think it fucking sounds cool. Yeah, it is. It
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is. It really is. You said that you were always,
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you were always sexual. When did that, like,
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when did that start? Like, what age did you start,
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like, embracing your, you know, your sexuality,
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your being horny all the time, stuff like that?
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Yeah, it's interesting. That's a good question.
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The first thing that popped in my head isn't
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going to probably fucking crack you up a bit,
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but, like, the first thing that popped in my
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head is a seminal, literally seminal moment of
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remembering seeing linda carter as a wonder woman
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wonder woman every fiber in my being was like
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oh i'm a heterosexual boy like i know like i
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was a little tight but i knew i want that and
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i remember that but later like i was an artist
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and my dad would always catch me you know like
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he was a preacher And he was not happy with me
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sometimes. He would find me making these drawings
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that are, like, not just, like, you know, boobies
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and stuff, like, from a kid. We're talking about,
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like, you know, extremely graphic sexual things
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where there's, like, people around watching people
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fucking. And I'm drawing this shit. Because I
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couldn't, I didn't have access to porn. So I
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was like, I'm making my own. So that's how sexual
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I was at a very early age. But I couldn't do
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it. I wasn't able to delve into it like the normal
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kid when he's going through puberty. I was so
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religious, I didn't get a chance to do it. But
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I was definitely circling at the hotel. Why is
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it that it's the preachers, it's usually the
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PKs, the preacher's kids that are so freaking,
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that are so freaking, I mean, freaks. That's
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all of us, actually. Guilty. Yeah. And you know
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what I think it's related to? Why are there so
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many teachers that are hot wives? The number
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one. And nurses. Structured lives that we have
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to live everywhere else. What you're saying about
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how religion can cause us to really get buck
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wild later, it's not lost on me. There's so many
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of us in the lifestyle. I like that. And I really
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do think that when you push... people down or
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repress them in any way as soon as they get unshackled
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they're going to try to do everything that they
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can to make up for lost time i know that was
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was the case for me like i was jumping right
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in with both feet and it had everything to do
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with being so cloistered and pushed down and
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pressed for so long so yeah i think that's a
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big reason why a lot of us in the lifestyle come
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from that background good deal good deal So I
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want to go back to the sapiosexual aspect of
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it for you. Would you say that that allows you
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to get into a hot wife's head a little easier?
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Or is it something that attracts you more about
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her? Or would it be both? Am I making sense in
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the question? Yeah, absolutely. I would say that
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when it comes to that. We're getting in each
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other's heads. If I'm lucky, you know, she's
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getting into my head, too. There's an aspect
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of it, though, where you're absolutely right.
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Like, I'm getting into her head. I'm turned on
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by intelligence. And that's not just, like, one
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kind of intelligence. That doesn't always mean
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book learning. That means a woman who's, like,
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emotionally intelligent because we make jokes
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all the time. Socrates, like, I call myself a
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robot. You know, I'm more Spock than Kirk, you
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know? i'm a logic based guy and so when i meet
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the yin to my yang and we can talk about this
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too a little later with the sex magic finding
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my compliment intellectually sometimes is not
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about the book smarts it's about emotional quotient
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where woman is teaching me how to delve into
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like my emotional side or my feelings more or
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there's been another version of sapiel for me
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is witchy chicks. Chicks that are able, the way
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I put it is they have antenna that pick up frequencies
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that not all of us pick up. And this is something
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as a robot I used to laugh and scoff at because
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it didn't fit into my ones and zeros in my code.
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But I've experienced too many things now where
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unexplainable, amazing experiences have happened
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to me when I'm around a woman who's witchy intelligent.
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as it were so yeah it's it's it is all brains
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but it's different forms it can take and that
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turns me on yeah yeah i get that wow wow don't
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get me wrong i'll fuck a i'll fuck a dumb chick
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in a second So no need for me to ask you that
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question then, because I was just about to ask
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you. Can't some regular TNA just turn you on?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No need for that. No, yeah.
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All you dumb girls out there with a big booty
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and a smile, you'll find a place with me. Oh,
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boy. Oh, boy. Sign me up. Oh, my goodness. That's
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what I'm talking about. Not the smart girl sapiosexual
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type. You nailed the format I want to say stuff
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in. And I'm going to practice it. But you nailed
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it, which is like, I like them thick. I like
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them slim thick. But I'll fuck me a skinny bitch
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in a hot second. Like, don't get it twisted.
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That's the best way to describe it. I've been
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struggling for years. And I love that. That's
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the best way to describe it. Like, you thick
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women, please come say hi to me at Splash or
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if you see me in a park. You know who I am. Please,
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but. You, you know, a skinny woman that, that
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we vibing. Oh my goodness. Yes. No problem. Let's
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do it. So I like that. That put me up on game
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right now. Real quick. Oh boy. Tell, tell us
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about how you, how you went about for forming
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the four horsemen and like what do you guys like
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put on, you know, you guys put on parties. Do
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you. Go and see people or what's y 'all's format?
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And what's the measurement? What's the measurement
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requirement? It says hung men. So I want to know
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more about what that means. I see what you did
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there. Yes, yes. To answer the last question
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first, you know, we all know hung means different
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things to different people. I tended to look
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at it as like pretty much eight inches plus would
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be considered hung. But some people say nine,
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some people say 10, some people say seven. Like
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I've seen that, you know. but just that is what
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i mean by that is you're not gonna see any of
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my guys pulling their pants down you're disappointed
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right where they look average or below average
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so that's what i mean by hung is just oh that's
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above average that's kind of what i mean but
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i'm not like really like you know pulling out
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a ruler taking their word for it yeah or you
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know but i've seen these guys and i've been around
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them and the women are commenting on their dick
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so it's not like i'm just doing it blind yeah
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but to answer the The first question, yeah, it
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kind of picks up where I left off with that thing
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in the beginning when I opened up and I was bringing
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in guys. I quickly realized that being a black
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male was my brand. Again, I didn't know what
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a bull was. I didn't know a lot back then. But
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I did know that my specialness was being a black
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male and interracial play was where the sun was
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shining. You can be like a plant or a flower.
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Wherever the sun is shining on you, you can lean
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that way. And the sun was shining towards interracial.
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So that is where I built the brand around. And
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then the guys I would get, like I said, I would
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snipe them. If I go to a party and I see a really
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great dude, super chill, can have a few drinks,
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be cool. he's smart you know he he's got mouthpiece
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all these things i'm like oh i'm gonna see like
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hey you want to join us and the thing that i'm
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doing is bringing them a higher level of woman
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than what we probably were at at that party and
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only that like when i call them they know oh
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yeah i'm down a lot of the times these guys after
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a while they don't even need pictures from me
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they're just like yeah i'm coming so that was
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what i brought to the table and what they bring
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to the table for me is frankly man I had too
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many women for me to handle. So all my lady friends
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that were like, do you have a friend? I'm like,
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absolutely. I got a few friends. What do you
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want to do? So I was able to like be compulsive
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and provide pleasure to women that I was already
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meeting and bring them another experience. So
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that's kind of how I started it. you know only
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a sapiosexual would say compulsive i don't even
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know what that word i don't even know what that
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means no one knows what it means but i love it
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will ferrell quotes yeah yeah you know i know
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you guys have discussed compersion on the podcast
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so i just yeah i just mean like you know when
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you have a lady friend and she asks if you have
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friends And you're able to bring them, like,
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quality guys that give them a great experience.
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I mean, that's the gift that keeps on giving.
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So, yeah. There's that word, nephew. There's
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that word. Quality. Quality. Quality, gentlemen.
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Bulls. Quality. One of my favorite episodes.
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I'm loving it. I'm loving it. I'm absolutely
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loving it. Keep going, man. Y 'all, I'm just
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listening right now. I'm listening to the man
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himself. I'm loving what I'm hearing. Keep going.
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So, so pagan, I'm gonna see if I can get you
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in some trouble. You talk about quality. We got
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ourselves, we, we, we jumped in the pool first.
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We have a whole episode on it. So what would
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you call quality ladies? Right? We, we went dig
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and dug deep into what a quality bull is, but
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we haven't done that part yet. So I'd love to
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hear your definition of a quality lady. a quality
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lady be it hot wife or cuckoldress or you know
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whatever yeah yeah i guess for me quality means
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the first thing that came to my mind when you
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asked that was a woman who knows herself and
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is complete on her own and then everything that
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others are bringing to her be it me as a bull
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her husband or you know kids That's all something
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that's, yeah, that's added to her life. She is
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her own person. I think that people tend to be
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what I would call quality people when they start
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from there. There's a level of self -confidence
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that doesn't bleed over into arrogance. There's
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a level of intelligence, obviously, when it comes
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to quality, I think. But again, intelligence
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does not always look the same. And then I think
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there's also a person who's got a good handle
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on their ego. This is one of the things I've
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learned is most important to me, especially in
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sexual situations, but just in life in general.
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Anybody who doesn't know how to take themselves
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out of the center is not going to create the
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best experiences for the people around them.
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So I look out for that. I look out for people
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who are confident, who own themselves and the
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room they're in and the air that they have, but
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who are also aware that they're not such a much.
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and that are looking to give pleasure to others
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because those are the kinds of things that I
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value. So for me, that's what. Oh, my goodness.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, lifestyle poetry.
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Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Lifestyle poetry right there.
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Yes. Preach, my brother. Preach. Preach. Oh,
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did I mention that she's also hot as fuck? She's
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hot as fuck. I forgot to mention. She's hot as
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part of quality as well. What if you were blind?
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You would just feel the aura or her hotness.
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Well, I saw that Bray Charles movie. He would
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grab him by the wrist and see how it feels. Exactly.
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He knew if she was fat or she knew if she was
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doing it by the wrist. Exactly. Where would you
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grab someone by, babe? Where would you grab someone
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if you were blind to see? The waist. The waist.
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What about you, Brian? Yeah, I got to wrap the
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arms around him. If I'm hugging a tree, he's
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out of there. If I'm hugging a tree, I can't
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do too much for you. If that waste is kind of
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small there and it might fly out into a V -taper
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and a little hump down there, then we're good
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to go. I agree. You said if I'm hugging a tree.
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Yeah, if I'm hugging a tree, it's off limits.
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Like dry skin? Can't do it. No, not dry skin.
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The size of the tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't
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mind. I don't mind. I don't mind. a little thickness
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i don't mind that but i just i just shout out
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to to you know the bbw's out there but i just
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i've haven't had much experience you know with
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the bbw yeah i mean it is what it is socrates
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will take them all off your hands okay everybody
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so just just email me you want to slot with him
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at the next splash all of your beautiful goodness
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And maybe me too. When I was coming up with what
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B was talking about, we used to call it the war,
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the waste -to -ass ratio. Yeah, there you go.
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It could be a big girl and still have that. That's
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what I say. I like hourglass. It could be three
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hours, two hours, one hour. I like hourglass.
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24 hours. 24 hours to get all over that goodness.
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As long as it's hourglass. Half an hour. I tell
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you what I want to dive in. I tell you what I
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want to dive into because I haven't heard too
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many brothers say that they enjoy going this
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route. But you say that you enjoy race play.
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I too. I, too, my brother, enjoy race play. Why
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don't you explain, if the listeners out there
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don't know what exactly race play is, why don't
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you give us your definition of it and how in
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-depth it can go in this lifestyle? Yeah. As
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with many things, definitions vary. My personal
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definition. is kind of it's kind of a simple
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well definition which is if you are incorporating
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race in any way into your play then that's race
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but but there's other people who feel like that
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definition is a little too broad so sometimes
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when you come across race play It involves very
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specific things where they're saying that the
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sexual dynamic is a BDSM thing. It's under the
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umbrella of BDSM. So there's a power dynamic
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at play in some way. And then the catalyst through
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which you're doing that is race. And that can
24:08
involve everything from items that are racially
24:11
charged to words to other things that involve
24:16
the racial element as being the power exchange.
24:21
So that's kind of the definition that most people
24:24
I think would go by. But I would just say, if
24:26
you're involved in a race and you're playing
24:27
anyway, that's race play. That might be the shallow
24:30
end of the pool, but you're still in the same
24:33
pool with us. Yeah. How far have you taken the
24:36
race play in your time and the lifestyle? I mean,
24:41
and here again, you know exactly what I'm talking
24:43
about too. How far have you taken it? Okay, I'm
24:49
going. I've had, I've had a couple of couples
24:52
that, that asked me, was it okay to go there?
24:55
And I was like, yeah, it's okay to go there.
24:57
And we had a absolute field day with it. Okay.
25:03
You talking about, it's a, it is like, and I
25:06
don't mean to be taking the stage away from you
25:08
right now. I'm gonna get right back to you, but
25:09
it is a, it is a cross between being. extremely,
25:13
extremely horny because you are slightly pissed.
25:17
You know what I mean? Because of the type of,
25:20
you know, because of what you're saying. So it's,
25:23
I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. But tell the fans,
25:28
tell us and the fans how far you've been with
25:31
it so far. Since you are a veteran, you are a
25:35
veteran in this lifestyle. Yeah, I gotta say,
25:38
everything you said resonated with me too, man.
25:42
especially like you you were talking about how
25:46
the couple and they did it right they you know
25:50
they they checked with you first if we can go
25:53
there and you gave them that that green light
25:56
that's you know let's be honest that's what white
25:59
couples need they need a green light they can't
26:01
just jump into it unless they just crazy and
26:04
so once they get that though My answer to your
26:08
question is how far, as far as my imagination
26:11
and their imagination can take us. I've found
26:14
that there's not really anything that I've found
26:16
offensive or I've had aligned, at least that
26:19
I've experienced so far. Once in, I'm all in.
26:22
And that is a wide gamut. A lot of people, I
26:25
feel like when they hear the word race play,
26:27
there's an equal sign in their brain and it goes
26:30
right to, oh, that means you used the N word.
26:32
That's just what they think race play means.
26:34
And it can incorporate that. but it can incorporate
26:37
so much more than that it's not just about one
26:41
thing yeah and so where they're willing to go
26:45
or where they're willing to let me push them
26:48
which is probably mostly more accurate than that
26:51
and i'm always checking in i'm figuring out you
26:54
know you're you're you're figuring out their
26:57
wavelength of comfort and you're also you know
27:00
trying to make sure that you push their limits
27:03
a little bit and touch the edges That's what
27:06
I am usually doing or the role that I usually
27:08
take. And I will go wherever they need to go.
27:11
And what's also interesting to me is what we
27:14
don't talk about a lot of times because we're
27:16
such macho black nails is there's a spectrum
27:21
of race play where also who's in charge. Let's
27:26
say you are using the N -word. How are you using
27:27
it? Is it a submissive? use of it or is it a
27:33
dominant use of it both ways i've experienced
27:36
exactly so same here yeah i've noticed that us
27:41
brothers don't talk about that submissive side
27:43
because it's not so cool to talk about but behind
27:47
closed doors i'm well aware of how much is happening
27:50
because these couples they ain't doing you know
27:52
doing this with nobody so that is an interesting
27:55
thing about it too it doesn't mean one thing
27:57
race play it can mean whatever you make great
28:00
answer Great answer. I need to see a video. I
28:03
have nothing else to say. So I can, I am having,
28:06
I don't know how to imagine this. I've heard
28:09
it. Oh, I can send you plenty. Can you send me
28:12
one that's just like an example? Yeah, yeah.
28:15
Pagan, one thing. Is there a race play version
28:18
where I can educate the cuck on black history
28:22
facts while I'm fucking his wife? Oh, absolutely.
28:25
It can be whatever you want. I'm not lying here.
28:28
That's kind of a kink for me. I love black history.
28:33
It's my thing. There's so many, so many cucks
28:37
that would love that dude. Really? Are you serious?
28:39
Don't you? I am not joking. I'm like the ones
28:42
that we've met and interacted with. Like, I'm
28:46
serious. Like, I'm pounding her. Like, did you
28:48
know there was actually a black man that invented
28:50
the light bulb? You know what I mean? Like, for
28:53
real. Like, that cuck doesn't have a choice.
28:56
That cuck doesn't have a choice most of the time.
28:58
They're going to sit in the corner and you can
28:59
say whatever you want to them. And if that's
29:01
black history, hallelujah. But I'm saying, would
29:03
it turn the wife on? That's the question. Yeah,
29:05
you'll find it. nerdy girl? Oh yeah, there's
29:07
absolutely. Yeah, just keep it on the positive
29:11
stuff. I would love to hear some nerdy shit.
29:15
That's my area of black history. My area of black
29:18
history is achievers, inventors, businessmen,
29:21
conquerors. I don't know. I probably know less
29:26
about slavery than most people, especially from
29:29
the South. My whole thing from my father, my
29:33
biological father's got me until he was the first.
29:35
curator in tennessee not a lot of people know
29:37
that so i guess i kind of outed myself on that
29:39
one but first black one but anyway so i that's
29:43
what i grew up on is that in but taking into
29:46
a little bit more serious questions since you
29:48
talked about you know how far you will go oh
29:51
just super super super quick though based on
29:53
what you just said not only is the answer yes
29:55
like you gave me like three or four ideas on
29:57
how to cook a man like by doing that like one
30:01
of the things you could do is ahead of time how
30:04
about this how about i'm not just teaching you
30:06
i want you to look this up boy and when i'm in
30:08
the room fucking your wife you better be oh my
30:12
goodness i want you to be telling me who invented
30:14
the light bulb and like and do your black history
30:18
homework because there's there's people out there
30:20
like our good friend lady anaconda that is very
30:23
good at this kind of stuff she's playing around
30:26
like i'm educating yeah yeah so yeah there's
30:29
there's a lot of ways you inspired me just now
30:32
bruh like i think i got a new thing to play with
30:34
that my god that boy that oh man i love that
30:38
you don't understand i have like anyway we can
30:42
it's okay it's safe i googled the first black
30:46
curator in tennessee and it's not your daddy
30:49
so you're safe good okay good okay perfect perfect
30:56
I took care of you. I appreciate that. My dad's
30:59
going to hate you. My dad's going to hate you
31:01
if he ever hears this episode. But I appreciate
31:03
it on my end. You just bursted my dad's bubble.
31:06
I never searched that. Thank you very much for
31:08
letting me know that my father is an imposter.
31:11
I appreciate that. Here on the Bull Brothers
31:13
Podcast. I think the little sparkles and embellishments
31:18
on the stories kind of run in the family. So
31:21
it's okay. It's okay, man. And you know what
31:24
the bad news is? The bad news is you got whoever
31:27
that guy's son is fired just now. I know, right?
31:30
Yeah. So here's a serious question there. Educate
31:34
me on, and I haven't had the time to study it,
31:38
but educate me on BNWO. Yeah. So BNWO, and there's
31:43
some people out there I would preface by saying
31:45
they're much more qualified. In fact, I'm about
31:47
to do a podcast with three of them. lady anaconda
31:51
being one of them but there's people out there
31:53
that you should talk to about this that are going
31:55
to be much more accurate to me but basically
31:57
being a dnwo is a subset of race play in bdsm
32:02
it means the black new world order black new
32:05
world order yeah basically it is a mindset and
32:10
it frankly has been copyrighted if i'm not mistaken
32:13
or registered as trademark by several people
32:17
who are doms and mistresses and dominatrix in
32:22
the Black community. A lot of them are women,
32:24
Black women, who especially, I believe, financially
32:27
dominate white guys primarily and dominate them
32:31
in other ways too, sexually and otherwise. And
32:34
then there's also the male component of the being
32:36
that also does the same thing. Some of these
32:38
brothers, like one of the ones that I'm familiar
32:40
with, I think is a great dude. He never puts
32:42
his face out there. He just uses his voice as
32:45
his utility. And he has so many subs and pay
32:49
pigs that are paying him to dominate them. So
32:52
yeah, being in WO is a, again, with everything
32:56
in race, there's a wide spectrum. There's literally
32:59
being WO that I would call the extreme in. But
33:02
there's also, you know, lighter versions of it
33:05
where you're basically just being subservient
33:07
to the idea that black culture and black people
33:13
are superior. They're acknowledging that in many
33:18
ways, like I said, financially to sexually to
33:21
whatever. So that's basically how I would describe
33:23
BMW. So that was once again, a beautiful definition.
33:27
I'm going to tell you all this. It scares me.
33:29
And I'm going to tell you why. Because it is
33:32
the tip of the spear of the argument for extreme
33:37
MAGA people. So tell me why it shouldn't scare
33:41
me. I don't know if you know what I mean by that.
33:44
It represents what they say is the main cause
33:50
of what goes wrong. And I'm not trying to make
33:52
it political. I don't want to talk about that
33:54
end. I want to talk more in the end of... how
33:57
we can look at it as like a sincere and authentic
34:02
kink without the negative side of it. You know
34:07
what I mean? Because I didn't hear about it from
34:09
this side of the lifestyle. I heard about it
34:11
from red -pilled MAGA people, you know, had extreme
34:15
views. And then I was thinking, oh, you guys
34:17
are crazy. And then when I seen BNWO, I was like,
34:20
oh, they're not lying. So destigmatize it for
34:24
me. yeah and if you know correct me if i'm if
34:27
i'm not hearing you right but i think you know
34:29
what you're getting at is when you're talking
34:31
about black we're talking about racial superiority
34:34
right yeah so the red pill people that you're
34:38
talking about us would be the ones that are saying
34:40
well you know if you're not supposed to be any
34:43
superior race then why are you guys claiming
34:45
that you know white people can't do that exactly
34:48
we didn't say the same thing is that kind of
34:50
what you're circling okay and and sandwiched
34:52
by the cuckolding It's like their issue is that
34:56
America is cuckolding itself into, you know,
35:02
liberalism and submission. Again, I don't want
35:04
to talk about the political side of that, but
35:06
it's like if you combine the cuckolding with
35:09
the BNWO, it's like their perfect world. And
35:12
again, I don't want to talk about the politics
35:14
of this because that's not what this show is
35:16
about, but more about destigmatizing this as
35:21
a kink. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Gotcha.
35:24
yeah yeah thanks for clarifying so my answer
35:27
to that is and and some of my bnwo friends you
35:31
know they even disagree with me but this is my
35:34
personal stance on that is why are you taking
35:37
it so seriously like this is not literally huey
35:41
p newton we got our blackness raised with braids
35:44
right and black jackets on marching in the streets
35:48
talking about we're taking over the government
35:49
this is a sexual kink fantasy Where in that room,
35:55
you can treat black people as superior and have
35:59
race play. And maybe you're focused a little
36:02
too much on the race and not the play is what
36:05
I would say to those people. I like that. Okay.
36:07
This is not literally a political movement. Now,
36:10
there might be some BMW people that would be
36:12
like, man, actually, it is low key. I'm serious.
36:15
And I think that that's also fits within BMW.
36:18
But most people aren't doing that. I would just
36:22
say, like, maybe just try to relax a little.
36:25
It's a fun thing to play. You know, just because
36:28
we're playing firemen doesn't mean I'm a real
36:31
fireman. So let's just, you know, let's just
36:34
chill. And it's a fun world that you can create.
36:38
Literally a world that you can create. Perception
36:41
is reality. I'm going behind closed doors and
36:44
done things and created worlds. with women and
36:47
couples that are just amazing. It's like I'm
36:51
in the matrix and don't want to come home. But
36:54
that's in that room. And then I can come out
36:56
and every black man, I think that goes to like
36:59
Splash Mocha, for instance. One of the interesting
37:03
things about Splash Mocha is it's one place where
37:06
most of us, the one place where we walk into
37:10
a door and for four days, we're treated as superior
37:14
and put on a pedestal. and treat it in a way
37:17
that we are treated nowhere else. We walk out
37:20
of Splash Mocha and when a cop pulls us over,
37:23
we better watch our back because he ain't going
37:24
to treat us like we did at Splash. We know what
37:26
the rest of the world is like, but in that world,
37:29
that is a, there's a black hierarchy where black
37:34
men are put on the pedestal and we get to enjoy
37:36
it. So I look at it like that. I'm not conflating
37:39
that with the real world when I leave, but I
37:41
am going to enjoy the world that I'm in. But
37:43
let me ask you this though, Pagan. Have you found
37:46
that there are more couples who are, say, coming
37:51
out even like not at the events at Splash, you
37:57
know, but in the real world, they're coming out
38:00
and saying, I am embracing these black men. I
38:04
am embracing this black superiority. I am like
38:08
living, you know, like I want. to live now i'm
38:12
in a thought i'm in a proper i'm in a proper
38:14
relationship my baby girl will be visiting me
38:17
saturday and uh she is she is not only excited
38:24
about coming here but she's even more excited
38:28
about meeting my parents and my family You know,
38:33
I've never seen anybody this damn chipper. You
38:36
know what I mean? She's so freaking out. Like,
38:41
she's so happy. And she keeps saying, we are
38:46
loving embracing this now. You know, instead
38:50
of, like, being one way at Splash and then coming
38:54
back home and having to turn, you know, turn
38:57
back into that other couple. You find that you
39:00
have met some couples that are like embracing
39:02
this now, like, you know, like they are out in
39:05
public or no. Yeah, I think that you're right.
39:08
I think that there is in the in the mainstream
39:11
zeitgeist. We've all seen a shift towards interracial
39:17
becoming something that's more mainstream and
39:21
people using terms like BBC on Instagram or TikTok
39:27
and places. where they're doing videos or making
39:31
jokes or whatever this whole thing of young girls
39:35
doing we love you black man videos compilations
39:38
and stuff like that that didn't exist a little
39:41
while ago so that's how i would describe the
39:43
mainstream embracing it television movies things
39:47
like that but then like what you just described
39:49
to me which is amazing sounds like it's the lifestyle
39:55
a throuple that does lifestyle things but then
39:57
they're crossing over into the vanilla world
39:59
because you're a real throuple and you're meeting
40:02
each other's parents and you're enjoying family
40:05
time that's a to me that's like you are living
40:09
your best life you you've got the best of both
40:11
worlds going on and i think some of these other
40:14
things i'm talking about are just mainstream
40:16
or just lifestyle but what you described is the
40:20
sweet spot where you're able to cross over it's
40:22
pretty beautiful appreciate it appreciate it
40:25
yes he is having an absolute down fit like about
40:31
coming here coming here but that's amazing though
40:39
um here again man the the i love the word evolution
40:45
evolving i think this world that we live in love
40:50
And I think I can speak for you because you sound
40:52
like you live it 24 -7 also like I do. Do you
40:56
see this one day as like something that is just
41:02
open? It's out there. You know what I mean? Like
41:05
a lot of couples are saying, I don't care what
41:08
people think anymore. This is who we are. This
41:11
is who we love. This is who we love to be around.
41:14
This is, you know, we're in a relationship. yeah
41:17
i have a loving husband but i got a great boyfriend
41:20
who happens to be a black dude do you think that
41:23
whatever ever just be just a regular thing you
41:28
know what i'm saying to where we we're not seeing
41:30
the words or anything like that yeah well i have
41:34
i have an answer to that and then i i have how
41:36
that that answer makes me feel i if you were
41:40
to ask a kid in the 1955 if you ever would see
41:45
a senator that's gay or have, you know, laws
41:48
that protect gay people or that it would be as
41:51
just, you know, pervasive in our society today.
41:54
They probably couldn't fathom that world. But
41:56
we're in that world now, despite, you know, some
41:59
of the current things that are trying to bring
42:01
that backwards. We, in the long arc of history,
42:04
despite small setbacks, are going in the right
42:07
direction of inclusivity, racially, sexual orientation,
42:12
gender. in the long arc of history we're heading
42:16
in the right direction so my answer to you is
42:18
give us enough time yeah eventually there's not
42:22
going to be as much stigma around the lifestyle
42:25
and even right now the metrics are showing in
42:29
the last 10 to 15 years many more young people
42:32
are in non -traditional relationships throuples
42:36
um they're saying that they're not gonna ever
42:38
get married but they like to have maybe multiple
42:41
partners these are things that are just people
42:43
are more open -minded about now while my answer
42:46
is i think it'll go away that makes me sad man
42:49
because then the taboo ain't taboo Like, I like
42:54
the fact that I'm on the fringe. I like the fact
42:59
that y 'all over there ain't doing what we doing.
43:01
Like, I like the fact that I go behind a door
43:05
and race play is such a hush -hush thing that
43:08
it excites us even more because, oh, my goodness,
43:12
the stigma around this. We couldn't do this outside.
43:14
Now, if everybody was doing it, I got to be honest,
43:17
it's not going to have the same buzz to it, the
43:20
same electricity. So I think it might happen,
43:25
but I don't know if I want to live in that world.
43:27
It's a 50 -50 slate. I get it. I get it. I do
43:32
get it. I do get it. I do get it. Because you're
43:34
all right. It is steel. I don't give a damn.
43:37
Nobody says it is the ultimate taboo. It will
43:41
always be the ultimate taboo. You know what I
43:43
mean? I agree. The beauty, the beauty of seeing
43:46
that, that great looking black dude with that
43:50
beautiful, you know, elegant white woman and,
43:54
and, you know, just mixing, mixing bodies and
43:59
fluids and getting horny over here. I mean, I'm
44:07
okay with you continuing. But I mean, but I'm
44:09
just saying that, you know, you know, it's not
44:11
supposed to happen because it's, it's. it's it's
44:14
been i i tell people all the time hey man they
44:17
always show the film where you know you see you're
44:20
gonna see the uh slave master and playing with
44:23
the black girl but you know you won't see you
44:26
won't see his his his wife his hot wife who who's
44:31
got you know three or four mandingos on the side
44:33
all right you won't see that one so yeah the
44:36
taboo the taboo is always going to be I agree
44:41
with you. And the way you can test that you're
44:43
right is there's a million different combinations
44:46
of what could be interracial. Oh, absolutely.
44:50
Absolutely. When you say the word interracial,
44:53
it's the first thing you think. So there's a
44:57
power there that's undeniable to the people that
45:00
love it and the people that hate it. They both
45:02
have the same image in their head. That's powerful.
45:05
Yeah, I agree. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
45:10
Absolutely. Beautiful couple. What y 'all got
45:14
to say on that? Socrates, you have been silent.
45:17
What's up, baby? No, I'm trying to learn how
45:19
to not interrupt, actually, and listen. You know,
45:23
being part of the editing part, I noticed that
45:27
I interrupt too much. But yeah, I got I want
45:30
to kind of switch gears and talk about the mouthpiece,
45:34
the wordsmithing. And I. To our listeners, I
45:40
feel like I need to explain, probably sometimes
45:42
I say it too ghetto, but it's about how you are
45:48
communicating, how a bull communicates to a hot
45:51
wife or any kind of female in this community
45:54
or sub in this community if it's BDSM, and how
45:59
well you get across your authentic thoughts and
46:02
feelings and where you want to lead a woman.
46:07
How well she receives it. So I want you, because
46:09
I am very impressed in the way that you articulate
46:13
that, but I have not heard you speak to a woman
46:17
in that, while you're in that mode very often.
46:20
So, but I just imagine and know from all of the
46:24
other friends that know you well, that you're
46:26
very good at that. So talk to me about the fundamentals
46:30
of it. What do you think are some of the fundamental
46:32
things you would need or have or understand when
46:36
you're, talking to a woman yeah the fundamentals
46:38
well i think authenticity is is the one of your
46:43
cornerstones whatever you are whoever you are
46:47
figuring out how to be that and not so uncomfortable
46:52
with yourself or if you know you just maybe don't
46:56
feel polished i think that the the better you're
47:01
better served by figuring out your thing whatever
47:05
that may be, and then being the best version
47:08
of that. So authenticity, because we can sniff
47:11
it out. We all can, especially after a little
47:14
while with some experience. But when someone's
47:16
real, you're attracted to them. That's part of
47:20
what charisma is, being comfortable in your skin
47:23
and just being real. So I think that that's one
47:25
of the cornerstones of what I like to do. And
47:27
in terms of mouthpiece too, man, I think a sense
47:31
of humor goes a long, long way, especially with
47:34
women. a sense of humor to me is not just about
47:36
being funny it's how you can show your your intelligence
47:39
the kind of jokes a guy makes shows you how smart
47:43
he is and again there's various kinds of smart
47:45
but it does tell you a lie so i i use that because
47:49
it's a double -edged sword and i also have like
47:52
the i like to start immediately almost treating
47:57
a person like a couple levels past small talk
48:00
like i'll make a joke at your expense within
48:02
like three minutes of meeting and part of what
48:06
i'm doing is seeing how thick your skin is do
48:09
you take offense just seeing your reaction and
48:12
sometimes i'm successful with that sometimes
48:14
i'm not but there's things like that that i'll
48:17
do where i'm also sussing out how real you are
48:19
whether we're going to get along do you you know
48:22
do you take yourself too seriously there's a
48:24
lot of things in there when mouthpiece you tend
48:28
to think of it as what we're saying but i like
48:30
to also think about is like what am i saying
48:32
that's drawing out something that they're saying
48:34
or i'm learning more about them because again
48:37
it's not just about me speaking it's not about
48:40
my ego and servicing that i'm already figuring
48:45
out is this person my compliment are they going
48:48
to bring something to me sure but am i going
48:50
to be able to bring something to them so my mouthpiece
48:53
is not just me spitting game it's me saying things
48:57
so that i can try to glean something from that
48:59
other person so i can get to know them better
49:01
and you know figure out if if we're going to
49:05
be a thing yeah good deal good deal you broke
49:08
that down you broke that down so so is it safe
49:11
for me to say that that when you meet a couple
49:15
when you meet a couple and you start you know
49:17
to get to know them conversation wise etc etc
49:20
you really do kind of I'm not going to say take
49:23
charge, but you kind of see exactly, as you were
49:27
saying, what you can say, what you know, what
49:30
they're all about. You want to get that immediate
49:33
feel from them, correct? As far as what you can
49:37
say, what you can't say, you know, how they react
49:40
to this, et cetera, et cetera, and then go from
49:43
there. Yeah, yeah, because you're, you know,
49:46
words are so powerful. I mean, the things that
49:50
we say. They can obviously we've all been in
49:53
situations where someone says something that
49:54
turned us off. I've had situations where a woman
49:57
was physically like I was neutral in terms of
50:00
attraction to her. And then she started talking
50:03
and I'm much more interested in her mannerisms.
50:07
And now her mouthpiece is getting me. You know,
50:10
I've had to work on me. So I really do think
50:13
it's one of those things. The idea that, you
50:16
know. There's a reason why magicians, they say
50:20
it's casting a spell. It's the same word for
50:23
spelling. Words can be magic. And if you put
50:28
intent behind them in the right way, you can
50:30
cast a spell on the woman. And, you know, if
50:33
you do it well, you know, they can also do it
50:36
to us. So, yeah, I firmly believe in that mouthpiece.
50:39
So, but how long in conversation? And let's not
50:43
say that this is at Splash, right? Because I
50:45
hate to compare things to Splash Mocha because
50:47
that's totally different. Totally different element.
50:50
But you meet a couple, you know, you're out.
50:53
So, you know, you guys are talking. There's some
50:56
good chemistry there. How long before you know
50:59
that Pagan has like that spell is getting to
51:04
that couple? That can vary. But I will admit
51:09
that after... A couple of decades plus of experience,
51:13
you know, pretty soon. You can kind of tell right
51:16
away if someone is interested in you by the angle
51:20
of their body, when they face towards you, all
51:22
these other things. And they're asking, you know,
51:24
like, you know, when we're intrigued, we ask
51:28
questions and we lean in. And then, you know,
51:30
the opposite can be true. The person is just
51:32
nodding and they're looking over your shoulder
51:34
and it's not working so well. Their chemistry
51:37
isn't hitting right. So, yeah, it can happen
51:40
within minutes, though, I think. And again, I
51:44
have to say, man, if a woman is laughing and
51:48
touching your arm as you're talking to her, you
51:52
kind of know, you know. So, yeah, it's pretty
51:55
easy to figure it out. But I would say you kind
51:58
of know within a few minutes. But it does vary.
52:00
I've had situations where I've talked to someone
52:01
for a long period of time, both digitally and
52:05
maybe at a, you know. I've seen them at a party
52:08
and another party and it wasn't a way later be
52:11
connected because it built over time. So I don't
52:13
want to say it's always in a few minutes, but
52:16
I think you could probably tell pretty soon.
52:19
But do you know how many brothers don't know
52:24
those cues that you just pointed out with body
52:28
language and, you know, the grinning and the
52:32
touching and all that? A lot of men don't know.
52:35
A lot of men don't know that. A lot of men don't
52:37
know that. So thank you for, you know, touching
52:40
on that. That's very, very valuable information
52:43
to these, especially to the younger bulls that
52:46
might be listening, right? Soccer cheese, siren,
52:49
what you got for them? So, you know, me and you
52:52
were discussing some other subjects in the lifestyle
52:55
that are not so fun to talk about. And I probably
52:59
don't want to talk about that this time, but
53:01
it did spark a question that I think I might
53:04
ask every bull that comes on here. This podcast
53:07
name is called The Bull Brotherhood. And, you
53:10
know, to give, to throw the flowers where they
53:13
belong to be tossed at, this is Michael C. from
53:16
the Keys and Inklings podcast. That is his, the
53:19
first time I ever heard it. And the thing that
53:21
he wanted to get off as a real community. But
53:25
for us, this is a podcast and this is our perspective.
53:29
But the question I want to ask you, and I think
53:32
I want to ask every bull after that is, What
53:35
does a Bull Brotherhood mean to you? Like, what
53:39
would your definition of a Bull Brotherhood be?
53:42
And I would ask both of you, Brian and Pagan,
53:45
and what would that mean to the community? Pagan?
53:49
Well, for me, the definition of Bull Brotherhood
53:53
is community, camaraderie, building each other
53:59
up, doing the positive things that don't just...
54:04
make yourself better, but make the brother next
54:06
to you better. And in doing so, you're stronger
54:10
as a group, you know, like the Spartan warriors,
54:14
you know, the way they would hold their shield.
54:17
You had to protect the man next to you, not just
54:20
yourself. And if each person does their part,
54:23
you know, 300 men can hold the Persian army at
54:27
the gates. So I feel like that's what the Bull
54:30
Brotherhood is, is like... Being stronger, we
54:33
can be individually strong, but being stronger
54:36
together. And part of that is on the positive
54:39
side, but also part of that is when something
54:43
negative happens. If, you know, someone is not,
54:47
you know, living up to, you know, what a positive
54:50
member of that community should be, then calling
54:54
that out, making sure that's corrected. making
54:58
sure that we don't buy either our actions or
55:00
silence at the brotherhood. So I think to me,
55:03
it means kind of all those things together. Yeah,
55:06
excellent. I love it. Hunk, what's your definition?
55:09
What does it mean to you? Well, he just hit it.
55:12
Pagan just hit it. But though, to add on to that,
55:17
everything that Pagan just said, for me, is the
55:22
definition of what a fraternal order is. And
55:27
to me, the Bull Brotherhood is no different than
55:31
being in a frat. And what he just said was the
55:34
definition of what I think this Bull Brotherhood
55:39
is all about and should be about. And here again,
55:43
being a military retiree, am I my brother's keeper?
55:47
That should sum it up. Am I my brother's keeper?
55:51
Yes, I am. You know what I mean? I hold myself
55:54
accountable, but I hold the two brothers that
55:57
I'm talking to right now accountable in the highest
56:00
regard. You know, when I say that you are my
56:03
brother, you are my brother in every sense of
56:06
the word, in every sense of the damn word, all
56:08
right? Even though I have a net pagan, just tonight,
56:12
just put the stamp on it for me, okay? And just
56:15
put the stamp on it. He is what we want in this.
56:21
lifestyle. He is what we want in this brotherhood.
56:24
He is what we want and need out here to teach
56:29
these other brothers, whether they're younger
56:31
or whether they got a little experience in the
56:33
game. The game is to be told. We are getting
56:37
older and we need to be able to pass on the knowledge
56:40
so the brotherhood can continue to grow and grow
56:44
and grow and go on forever. So that's what the
56:48
brotherhood means for me. This is a fraternity.
56:50
I don't give a damn. Nobody said this is a frat.
56:53
This is a frat. That is well said. May I just
56:55
say. Yeah, so, you know. May I just say what.
56:57
Yes, ma 'am, you may. Please. Thank you, sir.
57:00
May I just say what an honor and privilege it
57:03
is to just even have a part in this podcast and
57:08
in just the amazing men that we have interviewed
57:13
just in the few months that we have been doing
57:16
this. Just been. incredible for me in my dealings
57:21
with women you know especially the ones that
57:23
have gotten a little jaded towards men or man
57:28
haters if you will because when I got divorced
57:32
from my first marriage one thing I never ever
57:34
wanted to be was a man hater I wanted to keep
57:38
surrounding myself with men with positive qualities
57:41
and attributes and hopefully eventually find
57:46
one to marry and I did And so just experiencing
57:52
you guys in your conversation and your stories
57:55
is just such an honor and privilege because it's
57:59
like an insider's view into the many different
58:04
aspects of men. And I feel like I just get to
58:07
experience that firsthand and the energy just
58:10
in the room and over the phone as we do these
58:12
talks. So I just want to acknowledge you gentlemen.
58:17
And just to express my gratitude for being a
58:20
part of all of this. Thank you, Siren. That's
58:22
how I pray it's coming from you. Yes, it is.
58:24
Yes, it is. And that is why you are such a key
58:28
and integral part of this podcast, sweetie. Believe
58:32
me, I wouldn't do this without all of the family,
58:37
okay? And I say it again, I would not be a part
58:40
of this podcast without all of the family. And
58:43
all of the family includes you in every sense
58:46
of the word. right thank you believe that in
58:49
every sense of the word man this is damn this
58:52
i could talk we could talk all damn night but
58:55
i know doggone well pagan has things to do i
58:57
know he has things to do and i think we've been
59:00
what about an hour nephew over an hour yeah over
59:03
an hour see what i'm saying see what i'm saying
59:07
yeah we're going yeah we're going to have to
59:09
have a part two pagan we're going to have to
59:11
have a party that's all good i would love it
59:14
Because we can talk all night. We can talk all
59:17
night. And I cannot wait, brother. I really can't
59:19
wait to either splash or I don't know how we're
59:22
going to do it, but you and I are definitely
59:24
going to have to meet so we can sit down and
59:26
all the brothers get together, man, and just
59:28
chop it up. I know that would be one hell of
59:33
a damn conversation. Nobody would go to sleep.
59:35
I know they wouldn't. I know they would not.
59:37
They would chop it up all night. I just wanted
59:40
to say thank you guys, man. I mean, if this was
59:43
just hanging out with y 'all without recording
59:45
it, I would be appreciative. But to have this
59:48
ability to be able to put this out there in the
59:50
airwaves and just let people who might have,
59:55
you know, you know, questions or might be struggling
59:58
with something or they're just trying to get
1:00:00
a new perspective on some of the topics we discussed.
1:00:03
If it can just help like one person, this was
1:00:06
completely worth it. um because i'm like you
1:00:09
socrates michael c's podcast and other things
1:00:13
is how i learned a lot of stuff and i'm i'm glad
1:00:16
to be contributing to that whole legacy going
1:00:18
forward so thank you guys for having me on yeah
1:00:22
pegan did you want to thank you thank you for
1:00:24
being a part of the brother Did you want to share?
1:00:26
Go ahead, nephew. Oh, thank you, sir. Yeah, did
1:00:29
you want to share how people can get in contact
1:00:31
with you or some of your at or anything like
1:00:33
that? Oh, yeah. You know, if you want, you can,
1:00:35
like, on Twitter, just at Pagan Black Bull. And
1:00:39
then I also have at Pagan and T4WM. That's my,
1:00:46
like, backup account for the four whores. But,
1:00:49
yeah, you can definitely reach out to me there.
1:00:53
You can also just like hit me up directly. I
1:00:56
don't mind people like just email me like the
1:00:58
four horsemen at Yahoo. You can just hit me up
1:01:01
and, you know, I'm on several sites, but, you
1:01:04
know, you can you can interact with me. I'm on
1:01:07
Telegram as well. Pagan Black Bull, by all means,
1:01:10
you know, look me up and I love to chat with
1:01:13
folks. I'm always pleased to meet you. Good deal.
1:01:16
Good deal. Young brothers out there, you heard
1:01:18
him. He's always got an open ear for the brothers
1:01:22
out there. And I would suggest that you get in
1:01:24
his back pocket when he has time. And he can
1:01:27
teach you a few things. He can definitely teach
1:01:29
you a few things. I've enjoyed tonight. I really
1:01:31
have. Again, let's thank the brother, Pagan,
1:01:36
for entertaining us tonight and bringing up some
1:01:41
quality knowledge to the Bull Brotherhood. And
1:01:45
for Socrates and Siren, I am... B Morgan, a .k
1:01:50
.a. The Sigma Male himself, and to all the boys
1:01:52
out there, I tell my brothers, good night. And
1:01:56
to all my lovely hot wives, unicorns, and all
1:02:00
the sexy ladies out there, good morning. Until
1:02:04
we speak to you again, I bid you all a lovely,
1:02:07
lovely evening. Good night. Stay sexy, warm,
1:02:11
and sweet. B Morgan out.