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Casting Your Cares on Jesus · The Hearing God Podcast

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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm Anthony Moore.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm Dan Lamus.
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  SPEAKER_03: For over a decade, Anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic, the mystical, and the matters of the heart.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, here we are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Rejoice in the Lord always.
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  SPEAKER_01: And again, I say rejoice.
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  SPEAKER_03: Ah, yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Take a sip out of the coffee mug.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not really.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So how's it going, Dan?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like how this is like entirely a one-sided conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: How we all find, and again, we sometimes, most times, we do get to me, but it's begins with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell me how you do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Might as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Might as well just keep going with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm it's going well.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh kind of uh I'm per uh on a personal note, um, it's kind of funny.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I just am coming into a new week uh with a kind of a fun thing going on in my in my heart, in my mind.
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  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I feel like I'm realizing, and God is encouraging me in realizing, you know, the past year, uh, I had a couple of things medically go on that were really unusual.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I've been, here's here's a word that hit me yesterday that I hadn't thought about ever, probably.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Convalescing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm showing my age.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know what con like is that like something recovery.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so yeah, because I was thinking rest or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's it is that it it's uh well, I found this out because I looked it up.
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  SPEAKER_03: The word came to me, and I'm like, wow, I feel like I've been doing that for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like uh it's kind of a fun little note is uh I feel like God was encouraging me, like, yeah, you're coming to the end of that, yeah, and you're coming out of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I'm going as a little bit of uh, oh, so I don't have to feel like I'm recovering.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like I feel like I've actually physically and so on getting stronger.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and so I'm I feel like that's exciting for me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because it's a we it's a funny, I mean, probably probably almost no one that is listening to the podcast right now is going through this, but if you are, I want to encourage you that that when you're that when you're convalescing, sure, sure, sure, it gets into your mind if you have a mindset about your life that hey, yeah, I can go do this thing, that thing, I can go into this project.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: But remember, I'm sort of a person who's ill, who's getting better.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I felt like So you felt like it's like crept into your identity, maybe?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or okay, okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I feel like the Lord on the weekend has been like, hey, just so you know, yeah, like you're you're literally much healthier than you were.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so in your mind, you can go ahead and start perceiving yourself as a person who has grown stronger, and you're just you're just stepping over the threshold out of your legit recovery.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's great.
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  SPEAKER_03: But go ahead and feel like go ahead and dive off the deep end and enjoy the swim because you're you're ready to roll.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I was just kind of doing a neat thing now.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, that's good because I think that's healthy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number one, I think it's health healthy heading into the fall for how crazy and insanity that will be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, there's no there's no shortage of things that will be happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh that uh this fall with us, our team, and just this house and what we what we do in the fall.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's church's people and family and and stuff's gonna get rolling.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's gonna be all the things are happening.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're pastors, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Better to go into that healthy with a healthy mindset.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think so, so that's encouraging that you know it's it's happening now.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I really I'm happy that it's happening now.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think uh you're welcome.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well what's really funny is when I was looking up the definition, I was thinking of convalescence as a boo, everybody would hate that process.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, oh, that's awful.
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  SPEAKER_03: But you know what's funny?
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  SPEAKER_03: One little definition caught my eye.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh the the process of getting stronger.
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  SPEAKER_03: Ah, see, the process of growing stronger.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, oh, that feels a little more positive.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, like it's it's it's like rest is good because it's actually making you stronger.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so yeah, so I'm I'm feeling the encouragement of that, and I'm really interested to see what that does for me over the next while.
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  SPEAKER_03: So anybody, anybody feeling that way who's listening to us, just know that convalescing isn't a dirty word.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, if you are in recovery of some sort, you're getting you're growing stronger.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what it's for.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I think what, you know, again, like off top, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: The the immediate connotation there is like they used to have back in the olden days, they used to have like homes where you could convalesce, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it to me, and then that in whatever mind, you know, whatever that was in my mind, I just equate that with like a retirement home or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like we we send you off and and into the sunset, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's that's an interesting uh viewpoint on that, that it's not a place just to just go and live out the rest of your days, your last yeah, final final years or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, it's a place of actually getting stronger.
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  SPEAKER_01: So amen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm glad.
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  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm glad it's in but it's a mindset, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was like, oh yeah, the way I perceive myself in my mind has a lot to do with how I feel.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, come on.
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  SPEAKER_01: So come on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I would agree to that, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, like we, you know, just connecting that to the why this podcast exists, right, is very much caring about identity, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And again, so if if the idea that you're, you know, you're sidelined, or I don't even know if I don't know if the word is appropriate, but like all washed up or like whatever that is, but that makes you feel like I'm either done or sidelined or out of the game.
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  SPEAKER_01: Out of the game, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, that idea, you know, bit rooted on how we see ourselves, our perceived value, those kinds of things, that very much can weigh on us, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Especially if things happen to us.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I know that you you aren't the only one um on our team who has to deal with some pretty serious physical issues this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's very much a real thing that it's like, okay, that can start to creep in, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you asked maybe unusual questions like, you know, am I done?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is this the way it's always gonna be?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, is that it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or am I sailing off?
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I don't know, maybe your internal processing, but those kinds of thoughts for sure, it's understandable if they creep in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so can I do important things anymore?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like things that things that matter, things of value.
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  SPEAKER_01: Am I gonna get to do those things anymore?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the strong answer is, yeah, it's coming right up, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, like you're yeah, yeah, God is not done.
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  SPEAKER_03: 100% there's important stuff coming right up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's some good insight.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it'll be on my coffee mug next week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, like I wonder if we could maybe talk today about um casting our cares on on Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know that, you know, uh, you know, you go through life, ministry, these kinds of things, and or you're just plain human and cares come, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think, you know, for us chatting a little bit before we pushed record, it seemed to be that this might be uh uh an interesting area uh to talk about because we don't necessarily, I don't know, we've I guess at times we've talked about it, but we've not had a an episode um directly correlated to the cares of this life that come by circumstances, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Things that happen to you, things that maybe uh maybe you've done to yourself, right, you know, or uh, you know, or things that are no fault of your own.
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  SPEAKER_01: These circumstances change that those things can impact you, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: From various like this, it can relate to family, things that some people that matter to you, they're going through a rough time or they're going through some challenges.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh maybe it has to do with work, or maybe it has to do with your own internal whatever, but there are care there are cares of life that that come and there's a And what we do with them really matters.
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  SPEAKER_01: What we do with them really matters.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I think there's a there's a couple of scripture verses.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was the first Peter 5 7 one where it's you know Peter says, Cast all your cares um upon him for he cares for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's that there's that encouragement of what does it look like in our lives to continuously give our cares to Jesus?
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's not always that's not always automatic.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, like it's what I was gonna say, it has this is intentional most of the time.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, and again, like there's um, I mean, again, we can just jump right in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think one of the things that hits me is that how far down the road I I can get at times, um, how far down the road I can get at times of ruminating and stewing on a thing before it comes to me like, oh yeah, right, like, oh yeah, I have a glorious invitation here to cast the thing that I'm wrestling with that matters most to me now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can actually give that to Jesus.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, so that's the part of like, okay, so so how do we, what does it look like, you know, is it and just recognize at some sometimes it's just like we get forgetful, right?
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: When the when the the issue uh that's pressing, that's weighing on us, that's probably causing all sorts of um all sorts of maybe even anxiety.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's sort of uh it weighs heavy on our heart, it can seem like a burden, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and at times can seem like a dark cloud, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Hanging over our head.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: What how like because sometimes the care, it might be in a moment, or it might be a care that say, This is this may change the rest of my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's it it's all sorts of things that are these circumstances that that happen to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I I guess I think you know, the first thing that hits me is like, okay, like the tendency of humanity, and again, I'm not the I know I'm not the only one in this, right, to get down far down the road of ruminating on the care.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, before I start to realize or remember that yeah, I can actually bring this to the Lord, I can actually cast this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the idea, like the language there is important.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I can continually give this over to Jesus, and I can let it go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so manual.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, yeah, you're yellowful.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_03: You're you're this is is is such a um, like what we're talking about is is so relational, and it's it's it's more of a dance or an art, yeah, what it actually looks like in a person's life.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like we have no doubt that Jesus is able and willing to take our cares upon him.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's promised.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's promised.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and in our heads we believe, yes, I know I can always cast my cares on Jesus.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: But in real time, yeah, like at what point do I realize, uh-oh, either either I'm recognizing I haven't been casting my cares on Jesus, or wow, this is coming to a breaking point.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: I better intentionally pray here.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um so that I love, I love pressing into this because I think it has somewhat to do with recognizing the fruit of the spirit versus when the fruit of the sinful nature, yeah, as Galatians 5 talks about, start showing up.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like say if bitter feelings or resentful feelings or hateful feelings toward a situation or perhaps even a brother or sister begin to creep in, that would be a warning flag for me to say, right, hey, I think you're carrying a legit care here.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: I think you've you're trying to bear too much of the weight of this, and you need to really involve Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like that would be an indication for me, like despondency, discouragement, bitterness.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: If the dark cloud starts turning into somebody's to blame for this, yeah, uh, I like this this isn't fair, and I'm going to do something harsh about it.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, those are warning signs for me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm inappropriately carrying something here, and I need to involve Jesus.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: As opposed to the fruit of the spirit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kindness, gentleness, peace.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, and I guess I think one of the things that like one of the things we can talk about is that you're that you're talking about is like what's the fruit of what's happening right now?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the the promise is, you know, again, uh what's the fruit of what's happening?
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's the fruit of what's happening right now?
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  SPEAKER_01: And again, like you and I have both been in those seasons of like wrestling through something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is is you know, we've we've all, you know, we've walked through these moments where uh it's things have been heavy, and the process of um unburdening ourselves and giving that thing over the Lord, over to the Lord, can actually take some time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, right, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is the how's my the managing of my heart and all of that stuff is like I it doesn't feel good, right?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right, but the invitation is still there, and also the promise is still there, you know, where Jesus says, like, come to me, all you are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, take my yoke upon you and learn from me, you know.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's the easy yoke of Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think that's what we need.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's the there's the crux of what we want to get to, this the easy yoke of Jesus, but the the invitation and the promise of what it means to cast our cares upon him, right?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like come to me, all you who are weary and heavy laden.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Come to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or not.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like you're I'm not violating your free will here, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I am I'm creating the space for you to come.
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  SPEAKER_01: Come to me, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And not just and not just um unburden yourself, right?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just so that you can get rid of it for the sake of it.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's the the promise on the other side of the invitation is I will give you rest.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, so I think to me, to me, it's a little bit like this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dare I I'm sliding this across the table at you.
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  SPEAKER_01: The fruit of an unburdened life looks like rest.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: So just I mean again, I'm just there's there's the promise, there's the invitation and the promise.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the fruit, because I think a little bit like uh I'm just gonna I'm gonna put a pin in that.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote it down so we just have a thought.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: But I think I think that it's it's uh like to just be sort of uh forthright about it, like the fruit of an unburdened life looks like rest.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: So so it means like if my life is unburdened, uh then generally speaking, there's I could say my heart is at peace with all of the things, maybe things that are not resolved yet, maybe, maybe still hard things left uh to do, but yet my heart is at peace.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because I am way more confident in the ability of Jesus to hold me, to have me, to be present with me, to give grace.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm way more confident in his ability to give me rest than I am in my ability to resolve it.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or I'm I'm more confident in or or even uh I'm more I'm more confident in Jesus' ability to give me rest than I am in that circumstance that burden's ability to uh to like disrupt my life.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe even.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: So I love that.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, I love that.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um in uh yeah, my confidence in Jesus' ability to give me rest is greater than the ability of this issue to to take me out.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, like I'm gonna be able to do that.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: I'm safe, I'm safe taking uh taking this to him because his rest is greater than what this thing could do to me.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: Totally.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, um love the insight somebody brought to me a while back of the point of the Sabbath.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, was teaching the people, teaching the people who came out of slavery in Egypt that they weren't in slavery anymore.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like remember, you're not you're not living in on in slavery.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like you can work for six days, yeah, and then you can take your rest.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: To remind you you're not a slave to your work.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like you're like you're not like you're not in slavery, you're free.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, therefore, you can do what I've created you to do, which was to work.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, yeah, you you of course, well, like you can do you can work with me, but it's yeah, but it's not intended to be a bondage, yes, like toil or whatever.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Can I just yeah, we're gonna maybe crack open a rabbit trail in here.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because that was in the beginning, right?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so in the beginning, God brought the Israel out of slavery, introduced the Sabbath to do what you said, yeah, right.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: So again, this is this is true.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Now, on the other side of that, Israel forgot the Sabbath, right?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: That was one of that was one of the chief criticisms about the land and the Sabbath and all of that that stuff that yeah, and on the other side of that, they forgot the Sabbath, and the fruit of forgetting the Sabbath was slavery being carried off into bondage again.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, wow.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: So just saying, yeah, that's right.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: So so what they're so you're talking about.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about 100%.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like there's there's there's criticism, there's a hundred percent like there's these criticisms, and again, that I'm I'm saying that in these charges that the Lord lays against the people of Israel that is specifically redu specifically connected to Sabbath and and the the land and letting the land rest and all of that stuff that they forgot Sabbath, yeah, right.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that is one of, and again, there's probably more, but I'm gonna, and I'm paraphrasing a lot.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: I can see the connection with the bigger, but the fruit of but the fruit of it, the fruit, and again, like so.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, so I'm the fruit, the fruit, the fruit of you and I, you can just make that very personal.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: The fruit of you and I not taking our rest seriously, right, is bondage and slavery.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: We come become slaves to our circumstances, yeah, right?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: We come become and that and that weighs that becomes burdensome and heavy and those kinds of things.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that makes sense, right?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: So again, there's the invitation so that as you and I, that you and I keep, and again, we can, I guess, here we are lumping, like casting your cares upon remembering to choose rest.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: That has a that has that bears fruit in our life that looks like that actually looks like rest.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: That actually looks like being unburdened, that actually looks like um uh let's looks like ruling over the cares of this life, yeah rather than being ruled by them.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: It does.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so there's so there's a couple of there's a couple of uh practices that come to mind.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: One of them you reminded me of before we started our recording.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: And then another one, as we've been talking, is can I give mine real quick?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, go for it.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because first Peter five, seven would be Be a great verse of scripture to use for this practice I'm going to describe.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just called, it's a simple concept, but it's the idea of breath prayer.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like breathe, like breath prayer.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's like choosing a phrase or a word.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: And as you're conscious of your breathing, you're like saying, like you're saying the word and you're inhaling and exhaling.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: So it's uh you could you could take something like cast all of your anxieties on him because he cares for you.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's the NIV.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: And you could you could with your intake of or with your exhaling, you could say, cast all of your my anxiety, your anxieties on him, inhale because he cares for you.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: And just using it as an exhale and inhale, exhaling the burdens.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: And inhaling yeah, the exhaling is the casting.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: And the inhaling because he cares.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: Come on.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's good.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: So that I I personally I use that because I feel like prayer is like breathing.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: So it works for me.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: But that's a spiritual practice.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: Anybody could just learn and develop a habit of doing that.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: But 1 Peter 5 7 would be a great verse to use doing breath prayer.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: You know, how do we say it again?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_03: Exhaling is cast all your anxieties on him.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: Inhale because he cares for you.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: And just like, who knows?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like repeat it as many times as you want, but just grabbing a few moments of your day in the middle of your afternoon.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: So well, and again, like yeah.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: So and my mine is is there's a there's a John Eldridge prayer that um that I learned not a long time ago.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's in the last couple years, but he calls it the benevolent detachment.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it's simple, it's real simple.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Jesus, I give everything and everyone to you.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: And there's probably more, but this is this what has rested with me.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like, and and in those moments, I pray that prayer and also identify the either the person or the circumstance or the thing.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I just say, Yeah, I can't fix this for sure.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: I can't fix this right now.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I need to guard peace, right?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, uh, and we can get to that in a second.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: But like I think I need to I need to make sure this yeah, I need to make sure that my heart is at peace.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: And and again, like those things, again, not how not and again, I don't I hope people I really don't think people are hearing this heavy-handed, but I think we all run into situations where we where our hearts are not at peace for far too long.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I think um I really believe that even though, and again, there's some times where it's a process, right?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still talking to the Lord, I'm still choosing to cast my cares on him, and you know, and it's it's it can be a while before I receive the peace that I have been asking for.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I I want to have grace and space for plenty of plenty of that.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think that I know the tendencies of my own heart to sort of just walk down that road and sort of be fixated on the person or the circumstance that is causing me trouble.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not a one and done.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not a one and it's not a one.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a it's a it's a rhythm, right?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's a agreed, it's a discipline, it's a it's a rhythm of life and it's a rhythm of prayer.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, specifically this prayer of just saying, Jesus, I give everyone and everything to you.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: I give, you know, I give Bob to you, right?
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: I give this, I give the circumstance uh that's come up at my work to you.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: I give this situation with my family member to you.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what to do.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm giving it to you.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: And what I hear in that, which I love, is you're not coming to Jesus and leading with, should I be, should I be like, should I care about what's going on with this person?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: You're actually saying that's not my first question.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, first what I'm doing is I'm giving everything and everyone to you before I start sorting anything out.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: Totally.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: Giving it to you is like point.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: But and the point is, is you're not actually like I'm gonna say, I'm not, I can't remember a time I've actually been removed from the circumstances.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's not the point of this prayer.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: The point of this prayer isn't Jesus, get me out of the circumstance.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: The point is, is that my heart, that while I'm in this, my heart needs to be at rest with you.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's so it's not distracting.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's not that my circumstances change, it's how I'm actually going through these good these circumstances.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's the yeah, that's the thing.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's the that's what we're getting at here.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Is that like very rarely, I mean, again, like the Lord knows what's in a good uh good for you, and he the circumstances may change, he may intervene, but God just took care of that.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, sure.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: But I would say by and large, you know, you still have to go to work the next day.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, right.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: You still have to see that family member, you know, the next day or within a certain amount of time.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not really about God, get the circumstances out of my life.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we've, you know, we use the the the analogy of uh, you know, the disciples in the storm, right?
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: How Jesus can calm the storm.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, you know, that that it's not but it's not the storm around you, it's the storm within you that gets, you know what I'm saying?
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's so it's not so we use these things, right?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: But this is just coming at it from a different angle.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: But it's really about it's really about how we move through the circumstances of our life that I'm really getting at.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, because the promise, the promise isn't that Jesus, you know, again, like it's back to in this life you'll have trouble, yeah, you know, but take heart.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like that's very much at how we go through life because Jesus has overcome the world.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: So so is it okay to, you know, in a moment to need to repeat that prayer like three or four times until your heart engages.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Three or four or three or four or a hundred, right?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it's, you know, or three or four days or weeks in a row.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: So if a person took that on, they it wouldn't be like they're they're breaking a rule or something to re have to repeat it.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: No until it's the only again, like I think I think in the truest sense of the words, the only reason why that might you might stop praying that prayer is number one, you uh you you believe that you should like in some way you feel like you should be carrying more of this than you need to be.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right, okay.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think I think, yeah, I mean again, like, or you think um you have some miss, like you don't see who Jesus is, right?
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like clearly, right?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Or how he has presented him, how how he has presented himself and invited you to interact with him.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think you you've bel you believe something about Jesus that isn't true.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so again, like I don't know.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so that's that's thank you for answering it that way because I know that I've been in moments, it's funny because I always picture myself praying that prayer lying on my bed at night.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it just it keeps coming back to me.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_03: But but there have definitely been times when I've been repeating it in prayer, my mind knows this is a good prayer, my heart is still believing something else, and so I'm praying till my heart is actually saying what happens in the middle of that, which has been beautiful, is the question that tends to follow is as in that process, I begin to realize I'm curious about why that was such a heavy burden to me.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: And Jesus has been faithful in the middle of that to actually answer the prayer of my heart.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um as he goes ahead and receives these things I'm giving to him, he will on the side say, Yeah, by the way, this is why that upset you so much.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: And then I'm able to say, Oh, okay, that gives me something that I can surrender even more to him.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: Say, oh, well, I don't, yeah, it's because I had that perspective.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I want to surrender that to you too, Jesus.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I think that's that that's the like why, why, because it's ultimately a heart issue, right?
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's ultimately how we believe, like, you know, it's you know, we talked about this a couple weeks ago.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: The the how I think I should respond.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the should question.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, shouldn't I be better at doing this, those those kinds of things?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: This shouldn't be an anxiety.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, so I think, you know, again, and I will use this, like to me, at times, the ang like once I get in this rhythm of bringing an issue to the Lord, I will use the anxiety that creeps up in me as a sign that okay, we're still not done here.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, right, yep, good point.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, yep, so if I'm if I'm bringing a care to the Lord and I just I I practice that, right?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm casting my care on you, I'm leaving it with you, God.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Give me grace, help me, help me get get rid of this.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: And and I I give this circumstance and the people involved to you, yeah, right?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: And from yes, from the language that I so if five minutes from that prayer I start thinking about it again, and not not that, and again, thinking about it isn't the problem, it's the heart response that comes with it.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, right, yeah.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: So thinking about it is um, and then anxiety starts to creep up in me.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right, or uh something cringy or whatever, like then that to me is a sign that we still have work to do.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: So then it's back, okay, Lord.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: I just I just say I give everything, I give this circumstance and these people or this person to you here, take it.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want it anymore.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then we keep going, keep going about and he's merciful toward them.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: And he's merciful.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like again, like he doesn't like this is actually taking Jesus at his word.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: That he's you know again, yeah, right.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's acting, this is actually this is, and at times can be an act of faith, right?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I know, like I can feel like God, I'm being so needy here, God.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like yeah, I yes, I feel that.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and that's never been an issue for Jesus, right?
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: But we can believe it is, right?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: So the so then it's the the again, it's back to the process of like over and over, until my heart is at peace, keep giving the thing to the Lord.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so that to me is like part of the like the that's the process, at least of in my in my mind that uh that are that you know, that's the process in my mind that takes me from having a burden or an anxiety or a care and then giving it to the Lord.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: And then, and then, you know, when when God comes and he does his thing, uh, then he does his thing.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, when he when he comes and he moves in our life, I can think about that thing, and the fruit of that is not anxiety.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, right, right.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: The fruit of that is not, you know, you know what I'm saying?
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I do, it's not a heavy weight or a heavy burden to me.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's the sign that I have given it truly to the Lord.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's yeah, and God's not again, there's no point along the way where God is not uh pleased with the process, right?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: He loves that whole process, right?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's he delights in helping me get unburdened.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, right?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: So so the thing that made that I'm anxious about or you're anxious about, Jesus is not anxious about it.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay?
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: That means he knows all about the thing I'm anxious about, yeah.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: But the fruit of it in Jesus is not anxiety, yeah.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: I want to know his secret, yeah.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like I want to know why he isn't anxious about it, yeah, so that it can take me over.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like part of giving it over to him is that he can actually reveal to me, show me this is why I'm not anxious about it.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: And then I can see his solution, yeah, which kind of touches back on what you were saying.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_03: Not only am I not only uh am I like not removed, like that situation is still there, yeah, but now I'm gonna, and here's it just ties into another scriptural idea.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: Now I'm gonna reign with him.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, like yeah, that there's gonna be order where there was chaos because Jesus is gonna show me from his perspective, yeah.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_03: Here's the here's the order, right?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I go, Oh, I can see it now.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm looking at the very same situation, but I have fresh confidence.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm like, oh, okay.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_03: Can yeah, yeah.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Can I can I say like I think so?
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: I like where you're going with this because I think that that it really matters, because that's again, it is original design, like ruling and reigning with Christ.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um one of the things that I was I was thinking about was uh this there's this scripture verse that we talked about as well, is in Philippians four, right?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's like Philippians four, uh six and seven says, Don't be anxious about anything with thanksgiving, let your request be made known to God, and the peace of God which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: So there's same thing.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like there's the promise, but with prayer and supplication, right?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's and then the peace of God that you that's beyond all of our understanding, yeah, right?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that's the there's the rest part, the peace of God that will like it, like the his peace will guard your heart.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, but the ruling and reigning thing I wanted I wanted to think about is like to me, uh the Thanksgiving piece is part is connected, and here's how I have I know uh our life, and I'm gonna get something, it's it's about a declaration, right?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know in our in your life and my life, um requests, and this is the life of every human, right?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're asking, we're saying, God, please come, please help, right?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: There is there is that event that avenue of how we interact with God.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the Thanksgiving piece is a declaration.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: There is a there's something about a declaration that is powerful and dare I say underutilized by the body of Christ.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: At least I feel I just have that general sense.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: But the the power is God, I thank you that you love me.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: I thank you that you're interested in my circumstance.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: I thank you that my that you're not thrown off by my circumstances.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: I thank you that you care deeply about my my situation.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: I thank you that you love my heart, that you have my best in mind.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: That you've, I thank you that you've given your life, that you, that you are not withholding any good thing from from me.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do you see the shift, like the shift from needy to something else?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like it seems as though when I shift my heart from like God, I give everything, which is again, I'm not, I'm not disparaging that.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying absolutely both are needed, right?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm saying that that if with Thanksgiving, if requests right, yeah.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: So so if requests are one leg, the declaration and the thanksgiving are the other leg in the in this process.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so wow.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just saying, like don't be anxious.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can declare this.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely, right.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: So with Thanksgiving, let your requests me known to God.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you can't gotcha.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like with Thanksgiving.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: So to me, it's like, you know, like I can feel what's happening in my heart, even as I'm just declaring these truths.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's grace and encouragement that comes just by shifting from that needy place.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: Which I'm not again, again, I'm not disparaging that.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very much a human thing to just be needy.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: And God's delight in providing it.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Don't try to judge yourself in the middle of it.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: We're we're never gonna get like again.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying like we're never, at least while in this life, we're never not gonna need from the Lord.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: And and his provision will always be available.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: So so this neediness is like the state of being needy is it's good.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, right.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: So stay there.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because it's bad when we get out of neediness, right?
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: You go sideways, but the other leg is is to with Thanksgiving, make your regret, yeah.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like having a heart of gratitude and declaration, like I thank you, God.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, just again, like the things that I said, I thank you that you delight in providing for me.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: I thank you that you're right here in this moment.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a shift and a perspective that, in my, in my opinion, the Thanksgiving piece looks like ruling and reigning with Christ.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's beautiful.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right, because it's takes me, it takes me from under the circumstance to seated with him in heavenly places over that circumstance.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, just I I guess it's like a tool for reigning.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_03: I just I just encourage everybody to hit that, you know, go back 30 second button like four or five times, yeah, and just go back because Anthony rattled off some beautiful Thanksgivings to speak out in prayer, like to declare out loud.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's a beautiful picture.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yes, make your request known from God from the perspective of being thank thankful.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I thank you, God.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: You're not abandoning me.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_03: I thank you that you're always with me.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, like these things that are actually they are expressing your request.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: You're saying I need this, but I'm thanking you, God, for what I know is true.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, even though I'm not feeling it right now.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'm thanking you it's true.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I love that.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and again, like I think can making one more, making one more connection.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh, I'm gonna say Psalm 100, I think.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's like enter his gates with thanksgiving and enter his course with praise.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like we come, like thanksgiving is a direct access to the presence of God.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right, gives us like yeah, there there is a vehicle, right?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: A method of entering the presence of God proactively.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is how humans human properly.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is how being thankful to what for God's how we we suddenly create open a we create an opening for for God to be present in a tangible way.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: So we enter into his presence, we bring him into the situation.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, so anyway.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_03: It reminds me of that cool scene in Jeremiah 1 where God commissions, like he tells um, tells Jeremiah, this is what I've appointed you to be.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and immediately Jeremiah says, I'm too young.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: And we've talked before about you can fill that blank in with whatever your two is, like I'm two, whatever, whatever you fill the blank in with.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: I love what the Spirit of the Lord says to him.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, don't say you're too young.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_03: I've put my words in your mouth.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's like thanking God for what you know is true, right?
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_03: Is letting God put his words in your mouth.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like you're taking what God has said and you're making them your words.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_03: And that's it's very powerful.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the good declarations are very powerful for that reason.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_03: You're you're refusing your words.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like you're saying, I'm not going to keep saying my words.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not, I'm going to stop filling my mouth with my words.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm going to allow God to fill my mouth with his words, and I'm going to speak it out.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's something that shifts, right?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: There's a, there's a uh, it almost shifts from a defensive posture to an offensive posture.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is reigning.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the here's the the the offensive thing that that the kingdom of darkness, that hell is being, you know, his the gates of hell are not prevailing against the declaration of this is who God is.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's not Again, it's not the magic of the words.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's the, it's the um, because it's not again, we're not talking like incantation here or just repeating a catchphrase, all of that stuff.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: The the the power comes in our heart's posture to partner with eternal truth.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: So so I'm bel I'm I'm choosing to believe in this eternal truth, right?
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Whether this is directly from the word of God or or our best paraphrase of this is who we knew who we knew God to be, right?
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: That we know all of the, and again, all the things I was rattling rattling off before are very much some may not be chapter and verse, but very much be eternally true in in our lives.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so you're taking that, agreeing from a heart position that this is true, and I'm thanking you that these are true.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're these true.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: And that's turning me because 100%.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that becomes an offensive weapon in your hand where darkness is pushed back, and the power comes in the agreement, like when my heart finally begins to move and warm up to the idea that this is this is who God is, right?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: So as Jeremy, Jeremy, as Jeremiah uh agrees with God, yeah, stop saying his words, instead says what God has said.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: Power, like there's power in that.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: Totally, lovely.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so good, man.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: I and I think I think one of the things is just you know, maybe just to bring into the the conversation is like this is the like the peace of God, you know, the the fruit, the peace of God that will guard your heart.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: To me, that's like my heart feels protected.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's a safe place, yeah.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then back to what Jesus says is about like uh cast all your cares, like, or come to me all you weary uh and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: So rest and peace go hand in hand in that situation.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_03: And they are protection.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I love it.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_03: They're yeah, they're they're a guard, they're a uh yeah, they're a protection for it.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: To me, like this is the easy, this is the easy yoke of Jesus we can give Jesus our heavy, you know, our burdens.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we can our our the heavy hearts that we have.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: And receive from him the easy yoke, meaning we have peace and rest at the core of who we are, and then we can go through we can go through life.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: To me, yeah, that's the easy yoke of you know what I'm saying?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like and then well, I love it.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_03: If if my job is to carry this 75 pound bag of whatever from this place to the other side of the yard, if that's my job, and I this week I'm really struggling with it because I can't lift 75 pounds and carry it across the yard.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_03: Well, resting, bringing that to God, who knows?
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: The next time I come back to that, suddenly 75 pounds doesn't feel like 75 pounds anymore.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: It feels lighter.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: I pick the bag up, I take it to the other side of the yard, and I'm good.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: Well, 75 pounds is still 75 pounds.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Regardless of how yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: But my experience of it is that it's lighter than it used to be.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's because I'm stronger.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_03: And so I think that slant on it is very important.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like we're not supposed to be in denial about hard things.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_03: Agreed.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_03: Agreed.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like hard things will become lighter and easier to bear.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_03: Because we've cast our anxieties on Jesus.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's not that 75 pounds is only 25 now.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it feels like that to us because we're stronger.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's great.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I think it's like that's the invitation.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and realizing like that's the invitation from the Lord that that you and I and every living, breathing human is invited into.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: And also recognizing that there are often many, you know, there's a process for us to get from the trouble to the peace.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think that's that that if we can like give grace to ourselves, right?
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: And again, just you know, we we talk plenty about uh, you know, how we go through life.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think like really just beginning to just trust and rest, but stay in the process of unburdening, yes, you know, the benevolent detachment, right?
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: Is unburdening ourselves continuously, right?
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: Faithfully and continuously, casting all our cares, you know, and then you know, with Thanksgiving, coming into that seated with Christ in heavenly places, like ruling and reigning over those circumstances.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because not because we are so great, it's because Jesus is great.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right, because he has overcome the world.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he's invited us to sit with him in that place of overcoming.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so I and I would back to just to just to kind of like swing another hammer at the nail of declaration.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like if making declarations is not a regular part of your life, I would encourage you to start.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: And there are, you know, and again, coming at it from Thanksgiving, I think Thanksgiving is just, and whatever we're thanking the Lord about is a powerful declaration.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's other things like um, you know, prophetic declarations, like that we, I, you know, I declare, you know, uh some, you know, that what's that ah, I'm gonna I'm gonna butcher the reference, but there's a reference, you know, the part of that that we talk about being prophetic is declaring a thing that is not as though it was.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember exactly where that yeah is.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's really this place of of understanding that um that sometimes it takes uh eyes of faith to see what's true, right?
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right, that your heart needs to believe.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: But but it's I get again, I think it's the part of before I slide off into some other thing, the power of a declaration is that we are choosing whether we believe it, whether all the feelings are there, or by faith that this is true.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm declaring it, and we know that, and again, we could slide off into Jesus is the living word, you know, Rhema, the the Lagos and the Rhema, those kinds of things, prof like even prophetic declarations.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: But in that way, we are in a way, even just by simple thanksgiving, we are prophesying over our situation, the intervention of God.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and things that's right.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: Then this is who God is totally in my circumstance.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we have full permission in Christ to do that.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, and and and it's because we're in Christ, yes, that we do have permission to do it.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, absolutely.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it makes and it makes because we're in Christ, it makes all that He has available to us.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, you know, it's the Luke 11, like, you know, it's like how much more, you know, you if you like if you uh if your son asks you for uh bread, or are you gonna give it give him a stone or a snake?
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um you being you being evil, like yeah, you know how to give good gifts.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: How much more, you know, if you ask for the Holy Spirit, how much more will your heavenly father give you the Holy Spirit?
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's yeah, so that earlier idea, I think were you going after the idea that you know, God, this is the way God is this is who God is.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_03: God is a God who calls things that aren't as if they are.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is like this is the invitation, like that's part of the prophetic part.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the prophetic part is like I'm looking at a situation that isn't um in alignment with heaven, and we are declaring according to God's word that that situation is being is going to be, it is being in the process of being made like according to the rules and the rules of heaven.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right, that's right.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is the kingdom of heaven on earth, this is on earth as it is in heaven.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, your will being done, God, your kingdom coming.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, yeah.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, like that that's it, that's good.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I wonder if it like maybe as we just sort of land the plane here, maybe just even just praying a prayer under the like I think it's your turn to pray.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I couldn't remember that.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, but just like pray it, pray the prayer in just how you see fit of like casting our cares on him, yeah, with Thanksgiving, you know, and all of that.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: Sum up this conversation in a prayer day.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Love to do it.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: Love to do it.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Lord, we're just so grateful for you, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Lord.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_03: And and uh we just uh thank you that uh as we come into uh the warfare that life is so often, our our there's so many defensive pieces of our armor, and there's like that major offensive weapon of your truth, God, the sword of the spirit, which is the word of of God.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_03: And we just say, Lord, uh pray that that great grace would be released over our lives and over everybody listening to accept your invitation.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, they cast all of our anxieties on you because you care for us, Lord, and all that that involves.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Lord, we just even uh embrace that verse over our lives.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_03: And then also, uh, as we were looking into into your word about um, don't be anxious about anything, but with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_03: God, take us to a deeper level of understanding the power of our declarations.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that it isn't just reciting our requests, but it's the attitude and the position of our heart, all that that that that we're that we're seeing it from your perspective, and we're declaring what's the truth is back to you in prayer.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_03: Lord, uh take us and uh cause us to really grow in this area.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_03: And and I do pray, Lord, that simple idea of the 75-pound bag of stuff that I gotta take from here to there doesn't feel like 75 pounds anymore.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_03: It feels like 20 pounds.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh, Lord, may we experience that in our lives, in our situations, things that look impossible for us to handle right now.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_03: We declare they are possible in you.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and so uh thank you that you're not far removed from us, uh Jesus, that because we're in you, uh you are like you are close to our issues, you're close to our situations, you're not unfamiliar with them.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but we we do it from a place of seated with you in authority, and we have full permission to speak your words into those situations.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_03: So uh thank you for our lives, yeah, thank you for our circumstances.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Lord.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_03: God, thank you uh that you are teaching us in the midst of us, midst of it, and making us stronger for your glory.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's a wrap on this episode.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest as we all learn to hear God better.
• 56:09
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• 56:18
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