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Opening to Pure Being: Awakening to the Fundamental Nature of Reality with A. H. Almaas · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  dialogue
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  12
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  of
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  the
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  Ah
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  Almas
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  Wisdom
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  Series,
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  in
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  which
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  we
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  plunge
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  into
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  the
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  depths
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  of
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  the
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  ocean
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  of
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  being,
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  which
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  is
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  boundless
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  and
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  has
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  no
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  shores.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation,
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  Life
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  enhancing,
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  Paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  Foreign.
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuis.
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  And
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  our
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  guest
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  today
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  is
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  Hamid
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  Ali,
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  whose
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  pen
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  name
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  is
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  Ah
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  Almas.
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  And
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  we're
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  continuing
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  with
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  our
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  Ah
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  Elmis
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  Wisdom
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  Series.
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  This
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  is
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  dialogue
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  number
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  12
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  in
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  which
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  we
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  are
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  working
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  away
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  systematically
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  through
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  an
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  overview
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  of
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  Hamid's
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  work,
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  the
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  Diamond
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  Approach,
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  and
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  specifically
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  working
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  our
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  way
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  systematically
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  through
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  one
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  of
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  his
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  magnum
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  opuses,
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  because
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  there
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  are
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  several,
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  the
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  Inner
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  Journey
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  Home.
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  And
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  today
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  we're
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  on
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  to
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  chapter
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  18,
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  being
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  and
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  knowledge.
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  And
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  this
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  goes
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  really
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  deep,
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  really
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  deep
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  indeed.
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  As
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  we
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  were
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  preparing
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  for
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  our
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  dialogue
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  today,
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  Amid
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  said,
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  well,
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  it
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  could
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  have
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  been
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  a
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  book,
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  but
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  he
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  didn't
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  have
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  the
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  time.
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  And
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  so
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  there
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  is
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  a
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  lot
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  in
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  this,
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  and
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  it
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  follows
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  on
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  from
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  the
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  previous
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  chapter
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  on
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  divine
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  love
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  and
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  is
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  part
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  of
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  the
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  discussion
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  of
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  the.
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  What
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  mede
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  you
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  call
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  the
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  boundless
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  dimensions.
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  So
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  maybe
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  perhaps
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  we
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  could
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  start
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  by
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  reminding
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  our
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  listeners
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  of
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  what
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  the
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  boundless
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  dimensions
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  are.
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  And
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  then
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  perhaps
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  you
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  could
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  speak
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  to
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  pure
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  presence,
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  which
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  is
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  the
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  core
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  of
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  this
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  boundless
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  dimension.
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  And
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  that
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  will
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  give
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  us
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  a
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  lead
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  into
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  the
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  many
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  subtleties
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  of
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  this
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  chapter.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  I
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  differentiate
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  spiritual
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  experience,
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  experiencing
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  the
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  spirit
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  or
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  presence
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  between
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  the
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  localized
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  experience
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  of
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  presence
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  and
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  what
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  I
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  call
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  bond
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  dimension.
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  Localized
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  meaning
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  experiencing
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  presence
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  as
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  within
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  you
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  or
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  holding
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  you
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  or
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  containing
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  you.
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  But
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  it
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  is
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  not
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  infinite,
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  it
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  is
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  localized
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  or
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  it
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  has
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  a
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  limitation
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  extent
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  and
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  size
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  and
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  expansion.
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  And
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  you
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  would
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  call
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  that
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  the
• 2:24
  soul,
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  right,
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  Hamid?
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  That
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  localized
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  soul
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  is
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  what
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  localizes
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  the
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  power
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  dimension,
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  is
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  the
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  same
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  presence
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  we
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  experience
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  when
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  we
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  experience
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  localized
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  presence,
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  except
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  it
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  has
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  no
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  end.
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  It
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  goes
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  on
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  forever,
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  just
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  like
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  the
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  sky.
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  So
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  boundless
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  means
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  has
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  no
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  boundaries.
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  It
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  goes
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  on
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  and
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  on
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  and
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  on
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  endlessly.
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  So
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  endlessly,
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  you
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  know,
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  in
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  terms
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  geometrically,
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  in
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  three
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  dimension,
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  you
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  could
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  say,
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  but
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  as
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  we
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  will
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  see
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  in
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  this
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  dimension,
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  it
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  also
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  includes
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  time.
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  So
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  the
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  infinite
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  space
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  time.
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  But
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  we'll
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  deal
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  with
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  space
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  first.
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  Okay.
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  Too
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  complex
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  to
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  deal
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  with
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  the
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  time
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  part.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  maybe
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  you
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  could
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  talk
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  about
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  the
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  transition
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  from
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  divine
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  love
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  to
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  pure
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  presence,
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  because
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  you
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  say
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  that
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  your
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  presence
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  usually
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  emerges
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  subsequent
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  to
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  the
• 3:25
  experience
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  of
• 3:26
  boundless
• 3:27
  love,
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  and
• 3:28
  that
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  often
• 3:29
  for
• 3:30
  people
• 3:30
  it's
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  experienced.
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  This
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  development
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  or
• 3:33
  maturation
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  or
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  transcendence
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  to
• 3:35
  pure
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  presence
• 3:35
  is
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  actually
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  experienced
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  initially
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  as
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  a
• 3:37
  kind
• 3:38
  of
• 3:38
  loss.
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  Yeah.
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  So
• 3:42
  Most
• 3:42
  people,
• 3:43
  they're
• 3:44
  easier
• 3:44
  to
• 3:44
  experience
• 3:45
  divine
• 3:45
  love
• 3:46
  before
• 3:46
  they
• 3:47
  experience
• 3:47
  part
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  of
• 3:48
  the
• 3:48
  present.
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  Because
• 3:49
  part
• 3:49
  of
• 3:49
  the
• 3:49
  present
• 3:49
  in
• 3:50
  some
• 3:50
  sense
• 3:51
  simpler
• 3:51
  and
• 3:52
  seem
• 3:52
  more
• 3:53
  abstract
• 3:53
  in
• 3:54
  relationship.
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  While
• 3:56
  divine
• 3:56
  love
• 3:56
  is
• 3:57
  boundless,
• 3:57
  mean
• 3:58
  infinite.
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  Like
• 3:58
  an
• 3:58
  ocean
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  of
• 3:59
  love
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  that
• 4:00
  fills
• 4:01
  the
• 4:01
  universe,
• 4:01
  perverts
• 4:02
  the
• 4:02
  universe,
• 4:03
  fills
• 4:04
  the
• 4:04
  heart,
• 4:05
  own
• 4:05
  the
• 4:05
  heart.
• 4:05
  And
• 4:06
  show
• 4:06
  that
• 4:06
  the
• 4:08
  love
• 4:08
  is
• 4:08
  inherent
• 4:09
  to
• 4:09
  reality,
• 4:11
  all
• 4:11
  of
• 4:11
  reality.
• 4:12
  Not
• 4:12
  just
• 4:12
  human
• 4:12
  being,
• 4:13
  not
• 4:14
  just
• 4:14
  a
• 4:14
  soul.
• 4:14
  But
• 4:15
  that's
• 4:15
  why
• 4:15
  I
• 4:15
  call
• 4:15
  it
• 4:16
  the
• 4:16
  heart
• 4:16
  of
• 4:17
  God.
• 4:17
  God
• 4:18
  has
• 4:18
  no
• 4:18
  limitation
• 4:20
  but
• 4:20
  that
• 4:20
  the
• 4:21
  divine
• 4:21
  love
• 4:22
  had
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  quality,
• 4:23
  specific
• 4:24
  richness
• 4:25
  and
• 4:25
  quality
• 4:25
  and
• 4:25
  color
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  love.
• 4:26
  It
• 4:27
  could
• 4:27
  be
• 4:27
  golden,
• 4:27
  golden
• 4:28
  wine,
• 4:28
  you
• 4:28
  know,
• 4:29
  it
• 4:29
  could
• 4:29
  be
• 4:29
  other
• 4:30
  color.
• 4:31
  And
• 4:31
  it's
• 4:31
  like
• 4:31
  a
• 4:31
  flowing
• 4:32
  ocean
• 4:33
  of.
• 4:34
  And
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  suf
• 4:34
  is
• 4:35
  called
• 4:35
  shoreless
• 4:36
  ocean,
• 4:38
  ocean
• 4:38
  with
• 4:38
  no
• 4:38
  shores.
• 4:40
  And
• 4:41
  now
• 4:42
  the
• 4:42
  transition.
• 4:43
  But
• 4:44
  the
• 4:44
  divine
• 4:44
  love
• 4:45
  means
• 4:45
  it
• 4:46
  is
• 4:46
  presence
• 4:47
  but
• 4:47
  presence
• 4:48
  that
• 4:48
  have
• 4:48
  this
• 4:48
  weakness
• 4:49
  and
• 4:49
  the
• 4:49
  softness
• 4:50
  and
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  characteristic
• 4:51
  and
• 4:51
  the
• 4:52
  effect
• 4:52
  of
• 4:52
  love.
• 4:53
  With
• 4:53
  all
• 4:54
  its
• 4:54
  generosity
• 4:55
  and
• 4:55
  goodness
• 4:55
  and
• 4:55
  all
• 4:56
  of
• 4:56
  that.
• 4:57
  But
• 4:57
  that
• 4:58
  shows
• 4:58
  the
• 4:59
  transition
• 5:00
  is
• 5:00
  recognizing
• 5:01
  that
• 5:02
  love
• 5:02
  is.
• 5:03
  There's
• 5:03
  two
• 5:04
  things
• 5:05
  here.
• 5:05
  There's
• 5:05
  presence
• 5:06
  and
• 5:06
  there's
• 5:06
  love.
• 5:07
  And
• 5:07
  they
• 5:07
  are
• 5:07
  inseparable.
• 5:08
  They're
• 5:08
  the
• 5:08
  same
• 5:08
  thing.
• 5:10
  And
• 5:11
  transition
• 5:12
  happen
• 5:12
  is
• 5:13
  by
• 5:13
  the
• 5:14
  presence
• 5:15
  letting
• 5:16
  go
• 5:16
  of
• 5:16
  love,
• 5:17
  letting
• 5:17
  go
• 5:18
  of
• 5:18
  the
• 5:18
  quality
• 5:19
  of
• 5:19
  love.
• 5:19
  It
• 5:19
  becomes
• 5:20
  just
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  presence
• 5:20
  by
• 5:21
  itself.
• 5:21
  Without
• 5:22
  the
• 5:22
  characteristic
• 5:23
  there
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  love.
• 5:24
  With
• 5:25
  the
• 5:25
  softness
• 5:25
  and
• 5:26
  sweetness.
• 5:27
  So
• 5:28
  becomes
• 5:29
  more
• 5:30
  clear,
• 5:30
  transparent,
• 5:31
  colorless,
• 5:33
  but
• 5:33
  still
• 5:34
  infinite
• 5:36
  and
• 5:37
  boundless
• 5:37
  and
• 5:38
  endless
• 5:39
  and
• 5:40
  still
• 5:40
  presence.
• 5:41
  And
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  call
• 5:41
  it
• 5:41
  pure
• 5:42
  presence,
• 5:42
  pure
• 5:43
  meaning.
• 5:44
  All
• 5:45
  qualities
• 5:45
  of
• 5:46
  true
• 5:46
  nature
• 5:46
  are
• 5:46
  pure.
• 5:47
  But
• 5:47
  pure
• 5:47
  in
• 5:48
  the
• 5:48
  sense
• 5:48
  it
• 5:48
  doesn't
• 5:48
  have
• 5:49
  other
• 5:49
  qualities
• 5:50
  in
• 5:50
  it.
• 5:51
  It's
• 5:51
  the
• 5:51
  precursor.
• 5:52
  Right,
• 5:52
  of
• 5:52
  all
• 5:53
  the
• 5:53
  other
• 5:53
  qualities.
• 5:53
  Yeah.
• 5:54
  So
• 5:54
  it's
• 5:54
  the
• 5:54
  precursor
• 5:55
  of
• 5:56
  love.
• 5:56
  And
• 5:57
  of
• 5:57
  course,
• 5:57
  love.
• 5:58
  Divine
• 5:58
  love
• 5:59
  can
• 5:59
  also
• 6:00
  manifest
• 6:01
  other
• 6:01
  qualities.
• 6:02
  I
• 6:02
  mean,
• 6:02
  you
• 6:02
  know,
• 6:03
  love
• 6:03
  can
• 6:03
  become
• 6:05
  compassion
• 6:05
  or
• 6:06
  strength.
• 6:06
  And
• 6:07
  can
• 6:07
  manifest
• 6:07
  that
• 6:08
  way.
• 6:08
  So
• 6:09
  the
• 6:09
  next
• 6:09
  dimension
• 6:10
  that
• 6:10
  emerges,
• 6:11
  which
• 6:12
  in
• 6:12
  some
• 6:12
  sense
• 6:12
  seen
• 6:13
  as
• 6:13
  more
• 6:13
  fundamental.
• 6:14
  More
• 6:15
  fundamental
• 6:15
  in
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  sense
• 6:16
  that
• 6:17
  divine
• 6:17
  love
• 6:17
  is
• 6:18
  just
• 6:18
  the
• 6:19
  same
• 6:19
  thing
• 6:19
  with
• 6:19
  the
• 6:20
  addition
• 6:20
  of
• 6:20
  equality.
• 6:22
  Here's.
• 6:22
  Before
• 6:23
  the
• 6:23
  addition,
• 6:24
  before
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  quality
• 6:25
  manifest
• 6:26
  in
• 6:26
  it.
• 6:26
  For
• 6:27
  the
• 6:27
  quality
• 6:27
  of
• 6:27
  love
• 6:28
  and
• 6:28
  goodness,
• 6:29
  richness
• 6:29
  manifest.
• 6:30
  There
• 6:30
  is
• 6:31
  just
• 6:31
  the
• 6:32
  simplicity
• 6:33
  of
• 6:33
  just
• 6:33
  presence.
• 6:35
  I
• 6:35
  call
• 6:35
  pure
• 6:36
  being
• 6:36
  or
• 6:37
  pure
• 6:37
  presence.
• 6:38
  And
• 6:38
  what
• 6:39
  is
• 6:39
  the
• 6:39
  experience
• 6:39
  of
• 6:40
  that?
• 6:40
  What
• 6:41
  does
• 6:41
  that
• 6:41
  phenomenologically
• 6:42
  feel
• 6:43
  like
• 6:43
  when
• 6:43
  you
• 6:43
  experience
• 6:44
  that
• 6:44
  dimension
• 6:44
  of
• 6:45
  just
• 6:45
  pure
• 6:45
  being,
• 6:45
  presence.
• 6:47
  So
• 6:47
  we
• 6:48
  discussed
• 6:48
  before
• 6:48
  the
• 6:49
  experience
• 6:49
  of
• 6:49
  presence.
• 6:50
  I
• 6:50
  discussed
• 6:51
  what
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  presence
• 6:52
  is
• 6:52
  like.
• 6:53
  It
• 6:53
  is
• 6:53
  like
• 6:53
  that,
• 6:54
  except
• 6:55
  has
• 6:55
  no
• 6:55
  other
• 6:56
  qualities.
• 6:57
  All
• 6:57
  the
• 6:58
  other
• 6:58
  qualities
• 6:58
  present
• 6:59
  before,
• 6:59
  like
• 7:00
  presence
• 7:01
  of
• 7:01
  compassion
• 7:01
  or
• 7:02
  love
• 7:02
  or
• 7:03
  intelligence
• 7:04
  or
• 7:04
  he
• 7:04
  is
• 7:05
  just
• 7:05
  presence
• 7:07
  with
• 7:07
  no
• 7:08
  other
• 7:09
  quality,
• 7:10
  just
• 7:11
  pure
• 7:11
  presence,
• 7:12
  which
• 7:12
  is
• 7:13
  unpresence
• 7:13
  here
• 7:14
  is
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  sense
• 7:15
  of
• 7:16
  beingness.
• 7:18
  Presence
• 7:19
  shows
• 7:19
  clearly
• 7:20
  what
• 7:20
  presence
• 7:20
  mean,
• 7:21
  which
• 7:21
  is
• 7:22
  the
• 7:23
  ontology,
• 7:24
  the
• 7:24
  ontological
• 7:25
  ground
• 7:25
  of
• 7:26
  reality,
• 7:27
  meaning
• 7:27
  the
• 7:28
  existential
• 7:29
  ground,
• 7:29
  the
• 7:29
  ground
• 7:29
  of
• 7:30
  existence.
• 7:30
  It's
• 7:31
  basically
• 7:31
  pure
• 7:31
  isness,
• 7:33
  a
• 7:34
  presence
• 7:34
  that
• 7:34
  feels
• 7:35
  like
• 7:35
  isness.
• 7:37
  And
• 7:37
  the
• 7:38
  experience
• 7:38
  of
• 7:38
  it
• 7:38
  is
• 7:39
  that
• 7:39
  I
• 7:39
  am
• 7:39
  this
• 7:41
  unbounded,
• 7:43
  endless,
• 7:45
  many
• 7:45
  dimensional
• 7:47
  expanse
• 7:49
  of
• 7:50
  pure
• 7:50
  isness.
• 7:51
  It
• 7:52
  has
• 7:52
  a
• 7:52
  fullness
• 7:53
  to
• 7:53
  it.
• 7:53
  And
• 7:54
  the
• 7:54
  presence,
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  fact
• 7:55
  that
• 7:55
  it
• 7:55
  is
• 7:56
  presence,
• 7:57
  gives
• 7:57
  it
• 7:57
  a
• 7:57
  sense
• 7:58
  of
• 7:58
  fullness,
• 7:58
  substantiality.
• 8:00
  But
• 8:00
  there's
• 8:00
  a
• 8:01
  fullness
• 8:01
  that
• 8:01
  has
• 8:01
  no
• 8:02
  color,
• 8:02
  no
• 8:02
  quality,
• 8:03
  just
• 8:04
  completely,
• 8:04
  just
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  fullness
• 8:05
  is
• 8:06
  the
• 8:06
  fullness
• 8:06
  of
• 8:06
  being.
• 8:08
  You
• 8:08
  make
• 8:08
  clear,
• 8:09
  Hamid,
• 8:09
  that
• 8:11
  part
• 8:11
  of
• 8:11
  this
• 8:12
  fullness
• 8:12
  of
• 8:12
  the
• 8:12
  experience
• 8:13
  of
• 8:13
  boundless
• 8:14
  presence
• 8:15
  is
• 8:15
  a
• 8:16
  profound
• 8:16
  sense
• 8:17
  of
• 8:17
  completion,
• 8:18
  a
• 8:19
  serenity
• 8:20
  and
• 8:21
  fullness.
• 8:22
  And
• 8:22
  you
• 8:22
  say
• 8:23
  there
• 8:23
  is
• 8:23
  no
• 8:23
  deficiency,
• 8:25
  no
• 8:25
  need,
• 8:25
  no
• 8:26
  want,
• 8:26
  no
• 8:27
  desire,
• 8:27
  no
• 8:27
  fear.
• 8:28
  And
• 8:28
  that
• 8:28
  this
• 8:29
  sense
• 8:29
  of
• 8:29
  profound
• 8:30
  completeness
• 8:31
  is
• 8:31
  not
• 8:31
  the
• 8:32
  result
• 8:32
  of
• 8:32
  anything.
• 8:33
  It's
• 8:34
  inherent
• 8:34
  in
• 8:35
  presence.
• 8:36
  It
• 8:36
  is
• 8:36
  inherent
• 8:37
  in
• 8:37
  our
• 8:38
  spiritual
• 8:38
  nature,
• 8:39
  that
• 8:40
  it
• 8:40
  is
• 8:40
  pure
• 8:41
  and
• 8:41
  complete.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:42
  here
• 8:43
  it
• 8:43
  shows
• 8:44
  that
• 8:44
  it
• 8:44
  is
• 8:44
  complete
• 8:45
  before
• 8:45
  even
• 8:46
  manifest
• 8:46
  qualities.
• 8:48
  Not
• 8:48
  that
• 8:49
  in
• 8:49
  that
• 8:49
  sense
• 8:49
  it's
• 8:49
  complete
• 8:50
  in
• 8:50
  the
• 8:50
  sense
• 8:51
  it
• 8:51
  has
• 8:51
  manifest
• 8:52
  in
• 8:52
  it
• 8:52
  love
• 8:53
  and
• 8:53
  compassion
• 8:53
  and
• 8:54
  strength
• 8:54
  and
• 8:54
  clarity.
• 8:55
  And
• 8:56
  no,
• 8:57
  it's
• 8:57
  complete
• 8:58
  because
• 8:58
  all
• 8:58
  these
• 8:58
  are
• 8:59
  implicit
• 8:59
  and
• 9:00
  they
• 9:00
  haven't
• 9:00
  come
• 9:00
  up
• 9:01
  yet,
• 9:01
  but
• 9:02
  they're
• 9:02
  all
• 9:02
  in
• 9:02
  it,
• 9:04
  all
• 9:04
  potential
• 9:05
  to
• 9:05
  it.
• 9:06
  So
• 9:06
  nothing
• 9:07
  is
• 9:07
  missing.
• 9:08
  Everything
• 9:09
  that
• 9:09
  is
• 9:10
  possible,
• 9:10
  everything
• 9:11
  that
• 9:11
  is
• 9:12
  good
• 9:13
  in
• 9:13
  our
• 9:13
  spiritual
• 9:14
  nature,
• 9:15
  everything
• 9:15
  that
• 9:15
  is
• 9:16
  true
• 9:16
  in
• 9:16
  spiritual
• 9:17
  nature
• 9:17
  is
• 9:18
  implicit
• 9:19
  in
• 9:19
  it.
• 9:20
  So
• 9:20
  in
• 9:21
  that
• 9:21
  sense
• 9:21
  it's
• 9:21
  complete.
• 9:23
  So
• 9:23
  the
• 9:23
  sense
• 9:24
  feeling
• 9:24
  in
• 9:24
  it,
• 9:25
  there's
• 9:25
  nothing
• 9:25
  missing,
• 9:26
  it's
• 9:26
  complete.
• 9:27
  And
• 9:29
  the
• 9:29
  richness
• 9:30
  is
• 9:30
  a
• 9:30
  sense
• 9:31
  of
• 9:31
  fullness,
• 9:33
  fullness
• 9:33
  the
• 9:33
  way
• 9:34
  like
• 9:34
  strong
• 9:35
  muscle,
• 9:36
  for
• 9:36
  instance,
• 9:36
  and
• 9:36
  the
• 9:37
  fullness
• 9:37
  of
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  strong.
• 9:38
  In
• 9:38
  that
• 9:38
  sense,
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  fullness
• 9:40
  is
• 9:40
  a
• 9:40
  substantial
• 9:41
  fullness,
• 9:41
  but
• 9:41
  it's
• 9:42
  not
• 9:42
  physical.
• 9:43
  The
• 9:43
  fullness
• 9:43
  is
• 9:44
  just
• 9:44
  pure
• 9:45
  presence
• 9:46
  of
• 9:46
  beingness.
• 9:47
  And
• 9:48
  so
• 9:48
  many
• 9:48
  teachings
• 9:49
  talk
• 9:49
  about
• 9:49
  the
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  am.
• 9:51
  Yes,
• 9:52
  and
• 9:52
  different
• 9:53
  people
• 9:53
  define
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  I
• 9:54
  am
• 9:54
  differently.
• 9:55
  Some
• 9:55
  as
• 9:55
  localized
• 9:57
  presence,
• 9:57
  some
• 9:58
  Nasar
• 9:59
  Gaidatta.
• 9:59
  If
• 9:59
  I
• 10:00
  want
• 10:00
  to
• 10:00
  talk
• 10:00
  about
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  point
• 10:01
  of
• 10:01
  existence,
• 10:02
  I
• 10:02
  am
• 10:02
  is
• 10:03
  a
• 10:03
  point
• 10:03
  of
• 10:03
  light.
• 10:04
  Here
• 10:05
  it
• 10:05
  is,
• 10:06
  all
• 10:06
  is
• 10:06
  true.
• 10:07
  All
• 10:07
  those
• 10:07
  are.
• 10:08
  I
• 10:08
  am
• 10:09
  here.
• 10:09
  The
• 10:09
  I
• 10:09
  am
• 10:10
  is
• 10:10
  an
• 10:10
  infinite
• 10:11
  expanse,
• 10:13
  infinite
• 10:13
  in
• 10:14
  all
• 10:14
  directions,
• 10:15
  and
• 10:15
  it
• 10:15
  is
• 10:15
  our
• 10:16
  true
• 10:16
  nature.
• 10:17
  And
• 10:17
  the
• 10:17
  ground
• 10:17
  of
• 10:17
  being.
• 10:18
  It
• 10:18
  is
• 10:18
  that.
• 10:19
  It's
• 10:19
  our
• 10:19
  true
• 10:20
  nature.
• 10:20
  Yes,
• 10:21
  as
• 10:21
  the
• 10:22
  being
• 10:22
  ground
• 10:23
  of
• 10:23
  all
• 10:23
  other
• 10:23
  possibilities
• 10:25
  of
• 10:25
  the
• 10:25
  true
• 10:25
  nature.
• 10:26
  Yeah.
• 10:26
  And
• 10:26
  all
• 10:27
  manifestation
• 10:27
  comes
• 10:28
  from
• 10:28
  this
• 10:28
  place
• 10:29
  of
• 10:29
  nothingness
• 10:30
  that
• 10:30
  contains,
• 10:32
  as
• 10:32
  a
• 10:32
  potentiality,
• 10:33
  everything,
• 10:34
  the
• 10:34
  whole
• 10:34
  universe,
• 10:35
  our
• 10:35
  thoughts,
• 10:36
  I
• 10:36
  mean
• 10:36
  the
• 10:36
  whole
• 10:37
  thing.
• 10:38
  Everything
• 10:39
  will
• 10:39
  come
• 10:39
  out
• 10:39
  of
• 10:40
  it.
• 10:40
  Everything
• 10:41
  is.
• 10:42
  I
• 10:42
  mean,
• 10:43
  when
• 10:43
  I
• 10:43
  say
• 10:43
  it
• 10:44
  is
• 10:44
  complete,
• 10:45
  I
• 10:45
  mean
• 10:45
  all
• 10:45
  the
• 10:46
  perfection
• 10:46
  of
• 10:46
  being.
• 10:48
  Like
• 10:48
  goodness,
• 10:49
  awareness,
• 10:51
  clarity,
• 10:52
  intelligence,
• 10:54
  strength,
• 10:55
  power,
• 10:56
  fulfillment,
• 10:57
  peace,
• 10:58
  all
• 10:58
  of
• 10:58
  those
• 10:58
  are
• 10:59
  implicit
• 10:59
  in
• 10:59
  it,
• 11:00
  but
• 11:01
  none
• 11:01
  of
• 11:01
  them
• 11:01
  are
• 11:01
  explicitly
• 11:02
  that
• 11:02
  way.
• 11:03
  When
• 11:03
  they
• 11:03
  become
• 11:03
  explicit,
• 11:04
  they
• 11:04
  become
• 11:05
  what
• 11:05
  I
• 11:05
  call
• 11:06
  the
• 11:06
  sagittary
• 11:06
  qualities
• 11:07
  before
• 11:08
  either.
• 11:09
  Sexual
• 11:09
  qualities
• 11:10
  are
• 11:10
  implicit,
• 11:10
  but
• 11:11
  they're
• 11:11
  not
• 11:11
  differentiated
• 11:12
  yet.
• 11:13
  So
• 11:13
  he
• 11:13
  said,
• 11:13
  that's
• 11:14
  why
• 11:14
  I
• 11:14
  call
• 11:14
  it
• 11:15
  non
• 11:15
  differentiated
• 11:16
  presence.
• 11:18
  And
• 11:18
  Amit,
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  want
• 11:19
  to
• 11:19
  just
• 11:20
  draw
• 11:20
  out
• 11:20
  one
• 11:21
  of
• 11:21
  the
• 11:21
  implications
• 11:21
  of
• 11:22
  what
• 11:22
  you're
• 11:22
  saying
• 11:23
  because
• 11:23
  you're
• 11:24
  giving
• 11:24
  an
• 11:24
  eloquent
• 11:25
  description
• 11:25
  of
• 11:26
  the
• 11:26
  holy
• 11:27
  complete
• 11:28
  fullness
• 11:28
  of
• 11:29
  presence
• 11:30
  and
• 11:30
  that
• 11:31
  there's
• 11:31
  nothing
• 11:31
  lacking,
• 11:32
  nothing
• 11:32
  wanted
• 11:33
  within
• 11:33
  that
• 11:33
  or
• 11:34
  within
• 11:34
  true
• 11:35
  nature
• 11:35
  of
• 11:36
  being.
• 11:36
  And
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  implication
• 11:38
  is
• 11:39
  what
• 11:39
  again
• 11:39
  is
• 11:40
  one
• 11:40
  of
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  central
• 11:40
  teachings
• 11:41
  of
• 11:41
  every
• 11:42
  spiritual
• 11:42
  tradition,
• 11:43
  that
• 11:43
  the
• 11:43
  inherent
• 11:44
  sense
• 11:44
  of
• 11:45
  lack
• 11:45
  or
• 11:46
  deficiency
• 11:47
  that
• 11:47
  goes
• 11:48
  with
• 11:48
  identifying
• 11:49
  as
• 11:49
  being
• 11:49
  an
• 11:50
  ego
• 11:50
  or
• 11:50
  separate
• 11:50
  self
• 11:51
  sense,
• 11:52
  and
• 11:52
  for
• 11:52
  which
• 11:52
  we
• 11:53
  spend
• 11:53
  our
• 11:53
  lives
• 11:55
  seeking
• 11:55
  and
• 11:55
  consuming
• 11:56
  sensations
• 11:57
  and
• 11:57
  stimuli
• 11:58
  and
• 11:58
  things
• 11:58
  of
• 11:59
  one
• 11:59
  kind
• 11:59
  or
• 11:59
  another
• 12:00
  is
• 12:00
  basically
• 12:01
  a
• 12:02
  compensatory
• 12:03
  mechanism
• 12:04
  or
• 12:04
  the
• 12:05
  loss
• 12:05
  of
• 12:06
  the
• 12:06
  experience
• 12:07
  of
• 12:07
  our
• 12:08
  innate
• 12:08
  completeness.
• 12:10
  Exactly.
• 12:11
  And
• 12:12
  as
• 12:12
  you
• 12:12
  said,
• 12:12
  it
• 12:13
  is
• 12:13
  really,
• 12:13
  this
• 12:14
  dimension
• 12:14
  is
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  core
• 12:16
  all
• 12:16
  mystical
• 12:17
  teaching
• 12:18
  at
• 12:18
  the
• 12:18
  core
• 12:19
  of
• 12:19
  the
• 12:19
  teaching
• 12:19
  of
• 12:20
  the
• 12:20
  Arabi,
• 12:20
  for
• 12:21
  instance,
• 12:21
  of
• 12:22
  Maestre
• 12:22
  Eckhart,
• 12:23
  of
• 12:23
  Dzogchen,
• 12:25
  but
• 12:25
  Veda
• 12:26
  Vedanta,
• 12:26
  that's
• 12:26
  the
• 12:27
  core
• 12:27
  of
• 12:27
  their
• 12:27
  teaching,
• 12:28
  all
• 12:29
  of
• 12:29
  them.
• 12:30
  And
• 12:30
  they
• 12:30
  might
• 12:30
  speak
• 12:31
  about
• 12:31
  a
• 12:31
  little
• 12:31
  differently,
• 12:32
  but
• 12:33
  all
• 12:33
  about
• 12:33
  Malta
• 12:34
  Ekharm,
• 12:34
  I
• 12:35
  call
• 12:35
  divine
• 12:35
  being.
• 12:37
  So
• 12:37
  does
• 12:39
  they
• 12:40
  just
• 12:40
  call
• 12:40
  it
• 12:40
  the
• 12:40
  presence
• 12:41
  of
• 12:41
  awareness?
• 12:42
  Advaita
• 12:43
  vedanta,
• 12:43
  called
• 12:44
  Satya
• 12:44
  10
• 12:44
  Ananda.
• 12:45
  It's
• 12:46
  infinite,
• 12:47
  unbounded,
• 12:48
  has
• 12:49
  no
• 12:49
  limitation
• 12:51
  in
• 12:51
  any
• 12:52
  way,
• 12:53
  and
• 12:53
  complete
• 12:54
  in
• 12:54
  every
• 12:54
  way.
• 12:56
  And
• 12:56
  once
• 12:57
  we
• 12:57
  recognize
• 12:58
  that,
• 12:58
  and
• 12:59
  also
• 12:59
  with
• 12:59
  that
• 13:00
  recognition,
• 13:01
  see
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  egoic
• 13:02
  activity
• 13:03
  is
• 13:03
  this
• 13:03
  frantic,
• 13:04
  unfulfillable
• 13:05
  quantity
• 13:05
  quest
• 13:06
  to
• 13:07
  compensate
• 13:08
  for
• 13:08
  that
• 13:09
  innate
• 13:09
  sense
• 13:10
  of
• 13:10
  deficiency
• 13:11
  that
• 13:11
  comes
• 13:11
  from
• 13:11
  our
• 13:11
  alienation
• 13:12
  from
• 13:12
  being,
• 13:13
  then
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  insanity
• 13:14
  of
• 13:14
  the
• 13:15
  world
• 13:15
  and
• 13:16
  all
• 13:16
  its
• 13:17
  craziness
• 13:18
  and
• 13:18
  unnecessary
• 13:19
  suffering
• 13:19
  and
• 13:19
  conflict,
• 13:20
  et
• 13:20
  cetera,
• 13:21
  begin
• 13:21
  to
• 13:22
  make
• 13:22
  sense
• 13:22
  in
• 13:22
  a
• 13:22
  whole
• 13:22
  different
• 13:23
  way.
• 13:24
  Yeah,
• 13:25
  yeah.
• 13:26
  I
• 13:26
  mean,
• 13:26
  if
• 13:27
  anybody
• 13:28
  experiences
• 13:28
  themselves
• 13:29
  that
• 13:29
  way,
• 13:30
  all
• 13:30
  that
• 13:30
  insanity
• 13:31
  will
• 13:31
  disappear.
• 13:33
  There's
• 13:33
  complete
• 13:33
  sanity
• 13:34
  here.
• 13:35
  Sanity,
• 13:36
  openness,
• 13:38
  purity,
• 13:40
  simplicity.
• 13:42
  And
• 13:42
  when
• 13:43
  I
• 13:43
  was
• 13:43
  studying
• 13:43
  Buddhism,
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  whole
• 13:44
  idea
• 13:44
  of
• 13:45
  emptiness
• 13:46
  felt
• 13:47
  really
• 13:48
  kind
• 13:48
  of
• 13:48
  scary,
• 13:49
  like
• 13:50
  negation
• 13:50
  of
• 13:51
  everything.
• 13:52
  And
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  way
• 13:52
  you
• 13:52
  describe
• 13:53
  it
• 13:53
  here,
• 13:53
  it's
• 13:53
  not
• 13:54
  that
• 13:54
  at
• 13:54
  all.
• 13:55
  It's
• 13:56
  the
• 13:56
  potential
• 13:56
  of
• 13:56
  everything.
• 13:57
  And
• 13:57
  it's
• 13:58
  also
• 14:00
  can
• 14:00
  be
• 14:00
  known
• 14:01
  because
• 14:02
  it
• 14:02
  is
• 14:02
  knowing
• 14:02
  at
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  same
• 14:03
  time,
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  known
• 14:04
  and
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  knower
• 14:05
  are
• 14:06
  not
• 14:06
  separate,
• 14:06
  not
• 14:07
  like
• 14:07
  we're
• 14:07
  experiencing
• 14:07
  this.
• 14:08
  We
• 14:08
  are
• 14:08
  that.
• 14:10
  We
• 14:10
  will
• 14:11
  get
• 14:11
  to
• 14:11
  the
• 14:12
  dimension
• 14:12
  that
• 14:13
  more
• 14:13
  correspond
• 14:14
  to
• 14:14
  the
• 14:15
  Buddha's
• 14:15
  sense
• 14:15
  of
• 14:15
  emptiness.
• 14:16
  That's
• 14:17
  not
• 14:17
  where
• 14:17
  we're
• 14:18
  at,
• 14:18
  okay?
• 14:19
  Experiencing
• 14:19
  Something
• 14:20
  different
• 14:20
  than.
• 14:21
  I
• 14:21
  mean
• 14:22
  connected
• 14:23
  to
• 14:23
  it.
• 14:24
  But
• 14:24
  here
• 14:24
  it
• 14:25
  is.
• 14:25
  I
• 14:25
  mean
• 14:25
  you
• 14:26
  bring
• 14:26
  in
• 14:26
  the
• 14:26
  emptiness,
• 14:27
  which
• 14:27
  is
• 14:27
  when
• 14:29
  side
• 14:29
  of
• 14:29
  this
• 14:30
  presence.
• 14:31
  It's
• 14:32
  both
• 14:32
  fullness
• 14:34
  and
• 14:34
  nothingness
• 14:35
  at
• 14:35
  the
• 14:35
  same
• 14:36
  time,
• 14:37
  you
• 14:37
  see.
• 14:38
  And
• 14:38
  that's
• 14:38
  getting
• 14:39
  deeper
• 14:39
  into
• 14:40
  when
• 14:41
  we
• 14:41
  first
• 14:41
  experience
• 14:42
  it.
• 14:42
  We
• 14:42
  just
• 14:42
  experience
• 14:43
  fullness
• 14:44
  that
• 14:44
  fills
• 14:44
  the
• 14:44
  universe,
• 14:47
  that
• 14:47
  fill
• 14:47
  the
• 14:47
  universe.
• 14:48
  The
• 14:48
  feeling
• 14:48
  I
• 14:49
  am
• 14:49
  everything,
• 14:50
  I
• 14:50
  am
• 14:50
  everywhere
• 14:51
  and
• 14:51
  I
• 14:52
  am
• 14:52
  the
• 14:52
  fullness
• 14:52
  of
• 14:53
  being.
• 14:53
  I
• 14:53
  am
• 14:53
  the
• 14:54
  existence
• 14:54
  of
• 14:54
  all.
• 14:55
  That
• 14:55
  is
• 14:58
  so
• 14:58
  it
• 14:58
  is
• 14:59
  the
• 14:59
  existential
• 15:00
  existence,
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  ground
• 15:01
  of
• 15:02
  everything.
• 15:03
  So
• 15:03
  most
• 15:03
  people
• 15:04
  think
• 15:04
  things
• 15:04
  exist
• 15:05
  because
• 15:05
  they
• 15:05
  perceive
• 15:06
  them.
• 15:06
  They
• 15:07
  could
• 15:07
  measure
• 15:07
  them,
• 15:07
  they
• 15:07
  could
• 15:08
  touch
• 15:08
  them.
• 15:09
  Here
• 15:09
  you
• 15:10
  actually
• 15:10
  feeling
• 15:11
  that
• 15:11
  existence
• 15:12
  itself.
• 15:12
  You
• 15:13
  know,
• 15:13
  existence
• 15:14
  by
• 15:14
  feeling,
• 15:14
  existence
• 15:15
  by
• 15:16
  feeling
• 15:16
  the
• 15:17
  effect
• 15:17
  of
• 15:17
  existing.
• 15:19
  That
• 15:19
  thing
• 15:19
  exists
• 15:20
  because
• 15:20
  they
• 15:21
  have
• 15:21
  an
• 15:21
  existential
• 15:22
  ground.
• 15:22
  They
• 15:23
  don't
• 15:23
  exist
• 15:23
  because
• 15:23
  they
• 15:24
  just
• 15:24
  appear
• 15:24
  in
• 15:24
  perception.
• 15:27
  And
• 15:27
  you're
• 15:28
  bringing
• 15:28
  in
• 15:28
  here
• 15:29
  the
• 15:29
  or
• 15:30
  pointing
• 15:30
  towards
• 15:31
  one
• 15:31
  of
• 15:31
  the
• 15:31
  next
• 15:31
  points
• 15:31
  you
• 15:32
  made,
• 15:32
  Kameed,
• 15:32
  which
• 15:33
  is
• 15:33
  the
• 15:33
  very
• 15:33
  nature
• 15:33
  of
• 15:34
  manifestation.
• 15:35
  That
• 15:35
  out
• 15:35
  of
• 15:35
  presence
• 15:36
  comes
• 15:38
  all
• 15:38
  manifestation.
• 15:40
  And
• 15:40
  that
• 15:40
  I
• 15:41
  was
• 15:41
  going
• 15:41
  to
• 15:41
  say
• 15:41
  we
• 15:41
  have
• 15:42
  at
• 15:42
  least
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  had
• 15:44
  what
• 15:44
  I
• 15:45
  now
• 15:45
  recognize
• 15:45
  as
• 15:46
  an
• 15:46
  incomplete
• 15:47
  or
• 15:47
  erroneous
• 15:48
  understanding
• 15:48
  of
• 15:49
  manifestation
• 15:49
  of
• 15:49
  somehow
• 15:50
  something
• 15:51
  which
• 15:52
  manifests
• 15:52
  from.
• 15:53
  But
• 15:54
  you
• 15:54
  emphasize,
• 15:54
  yes,
• 15:55
  manifestation
• 15:56
  is
• 15:56
  more
• 15:56
  an
• 15:56
  out
• 15:57
  of
• 15:57
  being
• 15:58
  or
• 15:58
  presence.
• 15:59
  And
• 15:59
  the
• 15:59
  being
• 16:00
  or
• 16:00
  presence
• 16:00
  never
• 16:01
  leaves
• 16:01
  or
• 16:01
  is
• 16:01
  in
• 16:02
  any
• 16:02
  way
• 16:02
  separate
• 16:03
  from
• 16:03
  its
• 16:03
  medical.
• 16:04
  That's
• 16:04
  a
• 16:04
  good
• 16:05
  point.
• 16:06
  Well,
• 16:07
  I
• 16:07
  think
• 16:08
  one
• 16:08
  of
• 16:08
  the
• 16:08
  first
• 16:09
  thing
• 16:09
  about
• 16:10
  the
• 16:11
  meanings
• 16:12
  of
• 16:12
  our
• 16:13
  nature
• 16:14
  this
• 16:14
  way
• 16:16
  is
• 16:16
  that
• 16:17
  there
• 16:17
  are
• 16:18
  two
• 16:18
  major
• 16:18
  ways
• 16:19
  of
• 16:19
  experiencing
• 16:20
  it.
• 16:22
  I'm
• 16:23
  experiencing
• 16:24
  it
• 16:24
  here.
• 16:25
  I
• 16:25
  mean
• 16:25
  being
• 16:25
  it
• 16:27
  and
• 16:27
  I
• 16:27
  mean
• 16:28
  is
• 16:28
  somebody
• 16:28
  experiencing
• 16:29
  it,
• 16:30
  meaning
• 16:31
  it
• 16:31
  is
• 16:31
  experiencing
• 16:32
  itself,
• 16:34
  it
• 16:34
  is
• 16:34
  self
• 16:35
  experiencing.
• 16:36
  So
• 16:36
  the
• 16:36
  experience
• 16:37
  here
• 16:37
  is
• 16:37
  the
• 16:37
  realization
• 16:39
  where
• 16:39
  the
• 16:39
  soul
• 16:40
  is
• 16:40
  subsumed
• 16:41
  in
• 16:41
  it.
• 16:41
  The
• 16:42
  soul
• 16:42
  has
• 16:42
  become
• 16:43
  absorbed
• 16:44
  into
• 16:44
  it.
• 16:45
  So
• 16:45
  there
• 16:45
  is
• 16:45
  still
• 16:45
  a
• 16:46
  being
• 16:47
  like
• 16:47
  me
• 16:48
  experiencing
• 16:48
  it.
• 16:49
  I'm
• 16:49
  not
• 16:50
  saying
• 16:50
  everybody's
• 16:51
  experiencing
• 16:51
  it.
• 16:53
  So
• 16:53
  there
• 16:53
  is
• 16:54
  that
• 16:54
  important
• 16:55
  thing
• 16:56
  that
• 16:58
  many
• 16:58
  non
• 16:59
  dual
• 16:59
  teachings
• 16:59
  don't
• 17:00
  address,
• 17:01
  which
• 17:01
  is
• 17:02
  regardless
• 17:02
  how
• 17:03
  universal
• 17:03
  it
• 17:04
  is,
• 17:04
  it
• 17:04
  is
• 17:04
  always
• 17:05
  experienced
• 17:05
  by
• 17:06
  a
• 17:06
  being.
• 17:07
  The
• 17:08
  mountains
• 17:08
  are
• 17:08
  not
• 17:09
  experiencing
• 17:09
  it.
• 17:09
  We
• 17:10
  don't
• 17:10
  know.
• 17:10
  It
• 17:10
  doesn't
• 17:11
  experience
• 17:11
  itself
• 17:11
  by
• 17:12
  itself.
• 17:13
  It
• 17:13
  has
• 17:14
  to
• 17:14
  have
• 17:15
  an
• 17:15
  individual
• 17:16
  being.
• 17:17
  An
• 17:17
  individual
• 17:18
  being
• 17:18
  means
• 17:18
  a
• 17:18
  soul.
• 17:19
  But
• 17:20
  the
• 17:20
  soul
• 17:20
  is
• 17:21
  not
• 17:21
  appearing
• 17:21
  as
• 17:22
  an
• 17:22
  individual
• 17:24
  consciousness.
• 17:25
  It
• 17:26
  is
• 17:26
  implicit,
• 17:27
  is
• 17:27
  absorbed
• 17:28
  into
• 17:28
  it.
• 17:29
  But
• 17:29
  it
• 17:30
  is
• 17:30
  so
• 17:31
  of
• 17:31
  the
• 17:31
  lens
• 17:32
  through
• 17:32
  which
• 17:33
  being
• 17:34
  knows
• 17:34
  itself.
• 17:36
  It
• 17:36
  is
• 17:36
  the
• 17:37
  instrument
• 17:39
  of
• 17:39
  perception,
• 17:39
  of
• 17:40
  knowing.
• 17:41
  But
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  experience
• 17:42
  here
• 17:43
  I
• 17:43
  wanted
• 17:44
  to
• 17:44
  point
• 17:44
  to
• 17:45
  two
• 17:45
  major
• 17:45
  experiences.
• 17:46
  They're
• 17:46
  both
• 17:47
  non
• 17:47
  dual,
• 17:48
  non
• 17:49
  duality
• 17:50
  in
• 17:50
  two
• 17:50
  different
• 17:51
  aspects.
• 17:53
  One
• 17:54
  is
• 17:54
  to
• 17:55
  know
• 17:55
  myself
• 17:56
  as
• 17:56
  that
• 17:56
  beingness.
• 17:59
  To
• 17:59
  recognize
• 18:02
  I
• 18:02
  am
• 18:02
  here,
• 18:04
  I
• 18:04
  am
• 18:04
  what
• 18:05
  I
• 18:05
  am
• 18:05
  and
• 18:05
  I
• 18:06
  am
• 18:06
  pure
• 18:06
  being.
• 18:08
  I
• 18:08
  am
• 18:09
  pure
• 18:10
  existence.
• 18:12
  Pure
• 18:12
  isness
• 18:13
  that
• 18:13
  is
• 18:13
  a
• 18:14
  fullness
• 18:15
  of
• 18:15
  being.
• 18:16
  And
• 18:17
  I
• 18:17
  am
• 18:18
  infinite,
• 18:18
  boundless.
• 18:21
  And
• 18:21
  in
• 18:21
  this
• 18:22
  experience
• 18:23
  we
• 18:23
  are
• 18:24
  not
• 18:24
  relating
• 18:25
  to
• 18:26
  forms
• 18:26
  and
• 18:27
  manifestation
• 18:28
  and
• 18:28
  individualism,
• 18:29
  just
• 18:29
  experiencing
• 18:30
  to
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  nature
• 18:31
  itself,
• 18:32
  to
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  ground
• 18:33
  itself.
• 18:33
  I'm
• 18:33
  experiencing
• 18:34
  the
• 18:34
  ground
• 18:34
  itself.
• 18:36
  So
• 18:36
  the
• 18:36
  ground
• 18:36
  itself
• 18:37
  here
• 18:37
  feels
• 18:37
  infinite
• 18:38
  in
• 18:38
  all
• 18:38
  directions.
• 18:40
  And
• 18:41
  it
• 18:41
  is
• 18:41
  an
• 18:41
  interesting
• 18:42
  thing.
• 18:42
  It's
• 18:42
  like
• 18:43
  being
• 18:43
  the
• 18:43
  sky,
• 18:44
  except
• 18:44
  the
• 18:45
  sky
• 18:45
  is
• 18:45
  a
• 18:46
  fullness,
• 18:48
  like
• 18:48
  a
• 18:48
  gelled
• 18:49
  sky
• 18:51
  feels
• 18:51
  a
• 18:52
  fullness.
• 18:53
  But
• 18:53
  the
• 18:53
  fullness,
• 18:54
  both
• 18:54
  awareness
• 18:55
  and
• 18:55
  is
• 18:55
  aware
• 18:55
  of
• 18:56
  itself.
• 18:58
  Fullness
• 18:58
  that
• 18:59
  is
• 18:59
  at
• 19:00
  the
• 19:00
  same
• 19:00
  time
• 19:00
  fullness
• 19:01
  of
• 19:01
  presence,
• 19:02
  that
• 19:02
  aware
• 19:03
  and
• 19:03
  knows
• 19:03
  itself
• 19:04
  as
• 19:04
  fullness,
• 19:05
  as
• 19:05
  being,
• 19:05
  as
• 19:05
  existence.
• 19:07
  So
• 19:07
  it
• 19:07
  has
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  simplicity
• 19:09
  of
• 19:09
  no,
• 19:09
  but
• 19:09
  all
• 19:10
  it
• 19:10
  knows
• 19:10
  is
• 19:11
  I
• 19:11
  am.
• 19:12
  And
• 19:13
  there
• 19:13
  might
• 19:14
  not
• 19:14
  even
• 19:14
  be
• 19:14
  I.
• 19:15
  It
• 19:16
  could
• 19:16
  be
• 19:16
  I
• 19:16
  am,
• 19:16
  or
• 19:17
  it
• 19:17
  could
• 19:17
  be
• 19:17
  just
• 19:18
  amnes
• 19:19
  isness,
• 19:20
  you
• 19:21
  know.
• 19:22
  So
• 19:22
  that
• 19:22
  is
• 19:22
  one
• 19:24
  fundamental
• 19:24
  way
• 19:25
  of
• 19:27
  realizing
• 19:28
  this
• 19:28
  dimension
• 19:29
  is
• 19:30
  to
• 19:30
  be
• 19:30
  this
• 19:30
  dimension,
• 19:31
  recognize
• 19:31
  I
• 19:32
  am
• 19:32
  this
• 19:32
  dimension.
• 19:33
  Always
• 19:33
  been
• 19:34
  that
• 19:34
  way,
• 19:34
  but
• 19:35
  now
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  know
• 19:35
  it
• 19:36
  consciously
• 19:38
  and
• 19:38
  clearly.
• 19:40
  It's
• 19:40
  an
• 19:40
  amazing,
• 19:41
  beautiful.
• 19:43
  It's
• 19:43
  a
• 19:43
  satisfying
• 19:44
  contenting
• 19:45
  without
• 19:46
  there
• 19:46
  being
• 19:47
  a
• 19:47
  feeling
• 19:47
  of
• 19:47
  satisfaction,
• 19:48
  like
• 19:48
  dissatisfaction
• 19:49
  is
• 19:49
  gone,
• 19:50
  discontent
• 19:51
  is
• 19:51
  gone.
• 19:52
  There's
• 19:52
  only
• 19:52
  clarity,
• 19:54
  fullness,
• 19:55
  richness
• 19:56
  of
• 19:56
  isness,
• 19:58
  fundamentality,
• 19:59
  perfection,
• 20:01
  completeness,
• 20:03
  blissfulness
• 20:04
  to
• 20:04
  it
• 20:04
  too.
• 20:05
  There's
• 20:06
  a
• 20:06
  fresh
• 20:06
  blissfulness
• 20:07
  to
• 20:07
  it
• 20:08
  because
• 20:08
  it's
• 20:08
  clean
• 20:09
  as
• 20:09
  it's
• 20:10
  been
• 20:10
  scrubbed
• 20:10
  clean.
• 20:13
  It's
• 20:13
  the
• 20:14
  cleanness
• 20:14
  from
• 20:14
  off
• 20:15
  the
• 20:15
  beginning,
• 20:15
  before
• 20:16
  any
• 20:16
  dust
• 20:17
  alight.
• 20:19
  And
• 20:19
  this
• 20:19
  is
• 20:20
  one
• 20:20
  mode
• 20:20
  of
• 20:21
  experiencing
• 20:21
  it
• 20:23
  from
• 20:23
  within
• 20:23
  it.
• 20:24
  This
• 20:24
  is
• 20:24
  what
• 20:25
  I
• 20:25
  say
• 20:25
  experiencing.
• 20:26
  I
• 20:27
  call
• 20:27
  this
• 20:27
  dimension
• 20:28
  the
• 20:28
  Supreme.
• 20:30
  To
• 20:30
  give
• 20:30
  it
• 20:30
  a
• 20:30
  name.
• 20:31
  In
• 20:31
  our
• 20:33
  teaching
• 20:33
  I
• 20:33
  call
• 20:33
  the
• 20:34
  Supreme
• 20:34
  Being.
• 20:35
  Came
• 20:35
  from
• 20:36
  Supreme
• 20:37
  Being.
• 20:37
  I
• 20:37
  think
• 20:37
  I
• 20:38
  took
• 20:38
  the
• 20:39
  term
• 20:39
  from
• 20:39
  Isa
• 20:40
  Gaddatta.
• 20:40
  He
• 20:41
  talks
• 20:41
  about
• 20:41
  the
• 20:41
  Supremes
• 20:42
  of
• 20:42
  time.
• 20:43
  But
• 20:43
  anyway,
• 20:44
  many
• 20:44
  teachings
• 20:45
  talk
• 20:45
  about
• 20:45
  the
• 20:45
  Supreme.
• 20:47
  I
• 20:47
  just
• 20:47
  call
• 20:47
  it
• 20:48
  Supreme.
• 20:48
  But
• 20:49
  it
• 20:49
  is
• 20:49
  pure
• 20:49
  being,
• 20:50
  non
• 20:51
  differentiated
• 20:52
  beingness.
• 20:53
  And
• 20:54
  it
• 20:54
  has
• 20:54
  no
• 20:55
  limits,
• 20:55
  no
• 20:56
  boundaries,
• 20:57
  no
• 20:57
  size,
• 20:59
  no
• 21:00
  nothing.
• 21:00
  Limits
• 21:00
  it
• 21:01
  in
• 21:01
  all
• 21:01
  direction,
• 21:02
  all
• 21:02
  possibilities.
• 21:04
  And
• 21:04
  it
• 21:04
  is
• 21:05
  simplicity
• 21:06
  itself.
• 21:07
  It's
• 21:07
  simple
• 21:08
  isness.
• 21:08
  I
• 21:09
  mean,
• 21:09
  we
• 21:10
  recognize
• 21:10
  what
• 21:11
  simplicity
• 21:11
  is.
• 21:12
  And
• 21:12
  it
• 21:12
  has
• 21:13
  nothing
• 21:13
  to
• 21:13
  do
• 21:13
  with
• 21:13
  simplicity
• 21:14
  of
• 21:14
  thought,
• 21:14
  simplicity
• 21:15
  of
• 21:15
  situation,
• 21:16
  a
• 21:17
  simplicity
• 21:17
  business.
• 21:18
  It's
• 21:18
  just
• 21:19
  one
• 21:19
  thing,
• 21:20
  single.
• 21:21
  And
• 21:21
  it
• 21:22
  is
• 21:22
  just
• 21:23
  I
• 21:23
  am.
• 21:24
  I
• 21:24
  am
• 21:24
  the
• 21:25
  existence
• 21:26
  with
• 21:26
  nothing
• 21:27
  extra.
• 21:28
  So
• 21:29
  there's
• 21:30
  clarity,
• 21:30
  there
• 21:31
  is
• 21:32
  simplicity,
• 21:32
  there
• 21:33
  is
• 21:33
  an
• 21:33
  openness,
• 21:35
  lightness.
• 21:36
  And
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  blissfulness
• 21:38
  can
• 21:38
  be
• 21:38
  so
• 21:39
  intense,
• 21:39
  can
• 21:40
  become
• 21:40
  exuberant
• 21:41
  joy.
• 21:42
  So
• 21:42
  that
• 21:42
  is
• 21:42
  one.
• 21:43
  It
• 21:43
  is
• 21:43
  non
• 21:43
  dual.
• 21:44
  Because
• 21:44
  only
• 21:44
  one
• 21:45
  thing.
• 21:46
  It's
• 21:47
  not
• 21:47
  like
• 21:47
  the
• 21:47
  inseparability
• 21:48
  of
• 21:48
  two
• 21:49
  things.
• 21:49
  No,
• 21:49
  there's
• 21:50
  only
• 21:50
  one
• 21:50
  thing.
• 21:51
  There's
• 21:51
  no
• 21:52
  two
• 21:53
  that
• 21:53
  are
• 21:53
  connected.
• 21:54
  There's
• 21:54
  just
• 21:54
  oneness.
• 21:56
  I
• 21:56
  call
• 21:56
  it
• 21:56
  unity.
• 21:57
  This
• 21:57
  is
• 21:57
  a
• 21:57
  state
• 21:57
  of
• 21:58
  unity,
• 21:58
  unit.
• 21:59
  There's
• 21:59
  one
• 22:00
  unit.
• 22:00
  And
• 22:00
  that
• 22:00
  unit
• 22:01
  is,
• 22:02
  has
• 22:02
  no
• 22:02
  end,
• 22:03
  no
• 22:03
  limits
• 22:04
  of
• 22:04
  any
• 22:05
  kind.
• 22:06
  That
• 22:06
  is
• 22:06
  experiencing
• 22:08
  the
• 22:09
  pure
• 22:09
  being
• 22:10
  from
• 22:10
  within
• 22:11
  itself.
• 22:14
  Then
• 22:15
  the
• 22:15
  other
• 22:16
  way,
• 22:16
  major
• 22:17
  way
• 22:17
  of
• 22:17
  experiencing
• 22:18
  pure
• 22:19
  being.
• 22:20
  Experiencing
• 22:20
  it
• 22:21
  from
• 22:21
  the
• 22:21
  perspective
• 22:22
  of
• 22:23
  all.
• 22:23
  Manifestation
• 22:25
  of
• 22:25
  all
• 22:26
  particulars,
• 22:28
  bodies
• 22:29
  and
• 22:30
  galaxies
• 22:30
  and
• 22:31
  mountains,
• 22:31
  and
• 22:32
  including
• 22:33
  emotions
• 22:34
  and
• 22:34
  feeling
• 22:34
  and
• 22:35
  thought.
• 22:37
  That's
• 22:37
  what
• 22:38
  people
• 22:38
  call
• 22:39
  manifestation.
• 22:40
  Some
• 22:40
  teaching
• 22:40
  called
• 22:41
  appearance.
• 22:42
  Some
• 22:42
  people
• 22:43
  call
• 22:43
  it
• 22:44
  the
• 22:44
  world
• 22:45
  or
• 22:46
  reality.
• 22:47
  One
• 22:48
  thing
• 22:49
  as
• 22:49
  we
• 22:49
  transition
• 22:50
  from
• 22:51
  pure
• 22:51
  beingness
• 22:53
  to
• 22:53
  its
• 22:53
  relationship
• 22:54
  to
• 22:55
  all
• 22:55
  those
• 22:55
  forms,
• 22:56
  that's
• 22:57
  when
• 22:57
  we
• 22:57
  understand
• 22:59
  form
• 23:00
  is
• 23:01
  formlessness.
• 23:02
  Formlessness
• 23:03
  is
• 23:03
  form
• 23:05
  because
• 23:06
  all
• 23:06
  the
• 23:06
  forms
• 23:07
  are
• 23:08
  forms
• 23:09
  of
• 23:09
  this
• 23:09
  formless.
• 23:10
  They're
• 23:11
  all
• 23:11
  made
• 23:11
  of
• 23:11
  the
• 23:11
  same
• 23:12
  purity
• 23:12
  of
• 23:13
  being.
• 23:14
  So
• 23:14
  it
• 23:14
  turns
• 23:15
  out
• 23:16
  the
• 23:16
  existence
• 23:17
  of
• 23:17
  things,
• 23:18
  their
• 23:19
  ontological
• 23:20
  ground,
• 23:21
  their
• 23:22
  beingness
• 23:23
  constitutes
• 23:25
  not
• 23:25
  just
• 23:25
  their
• 23:25
  existence,
• 23:26
  but
• 23:26
  what
• 23:26
  they
• 23:27
  are.
• 23:27
  They
• 23:27
  are
• 23:27
  made
• 23:28
  out
• 23:28
  of
• 23:28
  it
• 23:28
  completely.
• 23:30
  There
• 23:30
  is
• 23:30
  no
• 23:30
  place
• 23:31
  on
• 23:31
  them
• 23:31
  that
• 23:31
  is
• 23:32
  not
• 23:32
  pure
• 23:32
  being.
• 23:34
  So
• 23:34
  pure
• 23:35
  being
• 23:36
  is
• 23:37
  the
• 23:37
  mountain.
• 23:38
  Pure
• 23:39
  being
• 23:40
  is
• 23:40
  the
• 23:40
  rocks.
• 23:42
  Pure
• 23:42
  being
• 23:43
  is
• 23:43
  the
• 23:43
  metals
• 23:44
  in
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  mountain.
• 23:46
  Pure
• 23:46
  being
• 23:47
  is
• 23:48
  the
• 23:48
  molecules
• 23:49
  in
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  mountain.
• 23:51
  Pure
• 23:52
  being
• 23:52
  is
• 23:52
  the
• 23:52
  atoms
• 23:53
  in
• 23:53
  the
• 23:53
  molecule.
• 23:54
  Pure
• 23:55
  being,
• 23:55
  the
• 23:56
  elementary
• 23:56
  particles,
• 23:57
  the
• 23:57
  atom,
• 23:58
  pure
• 23:58
  beings.
• 23:59
  Anyway,
• 24:00
  wherever
• 24:01
  you
• 24:01
  go
• 24:02
  physically
• 24:02
  or
• 24:03
  mentally,
• 24:04
  you
• 24:04
  find
• 24:04
  pure
• 24:04
  being
• 24:05
  that
• 24:05
  it
• 24:05
  is
• 24:06
  pure
• 24:06
  being.
• 24:07
  So
• 24:07
  basically
• 24:08
  pure
• 24:08
  being
• 24:08
  is
• 24:09
  manifesting
• 24:09
  all
• 24:09
  these
• 24:10
  things.
• 24:10
  It
• 24:11
  basically
• 24:11
  form
• 24:12
  itself
• 24:12
  into
• 24:13
  all
• 24:13
  these
• 24:13
  things.
• 24:15
  It's
• 24:15
  like
• 24:16
  an
• 24:16
  ocean
• 24:17
  that
• 24:17
  at
• 24:17
  its
• 24:18
  surface
• 24:19
  it
• 24:19
  has
• 24:20
  bubbles
• 24:20
  and
• 24:21
  edges.
• 24:21
  And
• 24:21
  these
• 24:22
  are
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  world.
• 24:23
  These
• 24:23
  are
• 24:24
  the
• 24:24
  content
• 24:24
  of
• 24:24
  what
• 24:25
  most
• 24:25
  people
• 24:25
  experience.
• 24:27
  But
• 24:27
  here
• 24:28
  we
• 24:28
  are
• 24:29
  experiencing
• 24:29
  things
• 24:31
  from
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  perspective
• 24:33
  of
• 24:33
  what
• 24:33
  I
• 24:34
  call
• 24:34
  manifestation
• 24:35
  or
• 24:35
  phenomena
• 24:36
  or
• 24:37
  appearance.
• 24:37
  And
• 24:38
  here
• 24:39
  it's
• 24:39
  a
• 24:39
  different
• 24:39
  kind
• 24:40
  of
• 24:40
  non
• 24:40
  duality.
• 24:41
  That's
• 24:41
  when
• 24:42
  you
• 24:42
  see
• 24:42
  that
• 24:42
  everything
• 24:43
  is
• 24:43
  not
• 24:43
  separate
• 24:43
  from
• 24:44
  anything
• 24:44
  else.
• 24:45
  I
• 24:45
  am
• 24:46
  not
• 24:46
  separate
• 24:46
  from
• 24:46
  you
• 24:47
  because
• 24:47
  we're
• 24:47
  both
• 24:48
  pure
• 24:48
  being.
• 24:48
  Pure
• 24:49
  being,
• 24:49
  extent
• 24:50
  all
• 24:50
  the
• 24:50
  way
• 24:50
  through.
• 24:52
  You
• 24:52
  are
• 24:52
  like
• 24:53
  a
• 24:53
  wave
• 24:53
  out
• 24:53
  of
• 24:54
  the
• 24:54
  ocean.
• 24:54
  I
• 24:54
  am
• 24:55
  a
• 24:55
  wave
• 24:55
  as
• 24:56
  an
• 24:56
  individual
• 24:56
  wave
• 24:57
  of
• 24:57
  the
• 24:57
  same
• 24:57
  ocean.
• 24:58
  So
• 24:58
  we're
• 24:58
  not
• 24:58
  separate.
• 25:00
  So
• 25:00
  that's
• 25:00
  non
• 25:01
  dual.
• 25:02
  It's
• 25:02
  a
• 25:03
  different
• 25:03
  kind
• 25:03
  of
• 25:03
  non
• 25:03
  duality,
• 25:04
  which
• 25:04
  is
• 25:04
  the
• 25:05
  inseparability
• 25:07
  of
• 25:07
  all
• 25:08
  forms,
• 25:08
  of
• 25:09
  all
• 25:09
  particulars.
• 25:10
  And
• 25:11
  the
• 25:11
  particulars
• 25:12
  extend
• 25:12
  through
• 25:13
  all
• 25:14
  possible
• 25:15
  particular
• 25:16
  from
• 25:16
  physical
• 25:17
  manifestation,
• 25:19
  mental
• 25:19
  manifestation,
• 25:21
  from
• 25:21
  living
• 25:22
  being
• 25:22
  to
• 25:23
  inanimate
• 25:23
  matter.
• 25:24
  All
• 25:24
  of
• 25:25
  it
• 25:25
  is
• 25:25
  just
• 25:25
  pure
• 25:25
  being.
• 25:27
  When
• 25:27
  we
• 25:27
  are
• 25:28
  in
• 25:28
  that
• 25:28
  condition,
• 25:28
  it's
• 25:29
  beauty.
• 25:29
  It's
• 25:29
  a
• 25:30
  beautiful
• 25:30
  thing.
• 25:30
  It's
• 25:31
  like
• 25:31
  an
• 25:31
  amazing
• 25:32
  kind
• 25:32
  of.
• 25:32
  There's
• 25:33
  a
• 25:33
  sense
• 25:33
  of
• 25:33
  richness,
• 25:34
  sense
• 25:34
  of
• 25:35
  simplicity.
• 25:37
  Everything
• 25:37
  is
• 25:37
  transparent.
• 25:38
  Like
• 25:39
  you
• 25:39
  look
• 25:39
  at
• 25:39
  everything,
• 25:40
  you
• 25:40
  see
• 25:40
  through
• 25:40
  it
• 25:41
  and
• 25:42
  you
• 25:42
  see
• 25:42
  through
• 25:42
  it
• 25:42
  is
• 25:43
  like
• 25:43
  I
• 25:43
  look
• 25:43
  at
• 25:44
  you,
• 25:44
  I
• 25:44
  see
• 25:44
  through
• 25:44
  you.
• 25:45
  I
• 25:45
  don't
• 25:45
  mean
• 25:46
  I
• 25:46
  see
• 25:46
  the
• 25:46
  box
• 25:47
  behind
• 25:47
  you,
• 25:48
  I
• 25:48
  see
• 25:48
  you.
• 25:49
  To
• 25:49
  pure
• 25:50
  Being.
• 25:52
  Every
• 25:52
  surface
• 25:52
  reveals
• 25:53
  what
• 25:54
  is
• 25:54
  inside.
• 25:55
  It's
• 25:56
  inside
• 25:56
  is
• 25:56
  the
• 25:57
  pure
• 25:57
  clarity
• 25:58
  of
• 25:58
  being.
• 25:59
  And
• 26:00
  that
• 26:00
  is
• 26:01
  non
• 26:01
  dual.
• 26:01
  Again,
• 26:02
  non
• 26:02
  duality.
• 26:03
  One
• 26:03
  of
• 26:04
  the
• 26:04
  major
• 26:04
  ways
• 26:04
  non
• 26:05
  dual
• 26:05
  teaching
• 26:05
  talk
• 26:06
  about
• 26:06
  non
• 26:06
  duality.
• 26:08
  Of
• 26:08
  course,
• 26:08
  here
• 26:09
  the
• 26:10
  non
• 26:10
  duality
• 26:10
  can
• 26:11
  also.
• 26:12
  There's
• 26:12
  one
• 26:13
  way
• 26:13
  non
• 26:14
  dual
• 26:14
  teaching
• 26:15
  talk
• 26:15
  about
• 26:15
  non
• 26:15
  duality.
• 26:16
  That
• 26:17
  is
• 26:17
  implicit
• 26:18
  in
• 26:18
  both
• 26:18
  kinds.
• 26:20
  The
• 26:20
  first
• 26:20
  one
• 26:20
  I
• 26:21
  call
• 26:21
  unity.
• 26:21
  The
• 26:22
  second
• 26:22
  I
• 26:22
  call
• 26:22
  oneness.
• 26:23
  Oneness
• 26:24
  of
• 26:24
  everything.
• 26:24
  Everything
• 26:25
  is
• 26:25
  one
• 26:26
  and
• 26:26
  not
• 26:26
  many.
• 26:27
  Although
• 26:27
  there
• 26:27
  are
• 26:27
  many.
• 26:28
  They
• 26:28
  make
• 26:28
  up
• 26:28
  one.
• 26:30
  One
• 26:31
  fabric
• 26:32
  connected
• 26:32
  by
• 26:33
  the
• 26:33
  substance
• 26:34
  of
• 26:34
  being.
• 26:36
  Here
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  other,
• 26:37
  non
• 26:37
  duality,
• 26:37
  imprisoned
• 26:38
  all
• 26:38
  of
• 26:38
  them.
• 26:39
  Is
• 26:40
  that
• 26:40
  the
• 26:41
  subject
• 26:42
  and
• 26:42
  the
• 26:43
  object
• 26:44
  and
• 26:44
  the
• 26:44
  perception
• 26:45
  are
• 26:45
  the
• 26:45
  same
• 26:45
  thing.
• 26:47
  So
• 26:48
  the
• 26:48
  knower
• 26:48
  and
• 26:49
  the
• 26:49
  known
• 26:50
  are
• 26:50
  all
• 26:50
  one
• 26:51
  thing,
• 26:52
  completely
• 26:53
  inseparable.
• 26:55
  And
• 26:55
  both
• 26:55
  of
• 26:55
  those
• 26:56
  kinds
• 26:57
  of
• 26:58
  unity
• 26:58
  and
• 26:59
  oneness.
• 26:59
  Both
• 27:00
  kind
• 27:00
  of
• 27:01
  states
• 27:01
  of
• 27:01
  non
• 27:01
  duality.
• 27:02
  So
• 27:02
  that's
• 27:02
  non
• 27:02
  duality
• 27:03
  implicit
• 27:04
  in
• 27:04
  different
• 27:05
  way.
• 27:06
  Sometimes
• 27:07
  people
• 27:07
  talk
• 27:07
  about
• 27:08
  non
• 27:08
  duality
• 27:08
  as
• 27:08
  subject
• 27:09
  and
• 27:09
  object
• 27:09
  are
• 27:09
  not
• 27:10
  separate.
• 27:11
  Because
• 27:11
  here
• 27:12
  the
• 27:12
  subject
• 27:13
  is
• 27:13
  pure
• 27:14
  being,
• 27:14
  the
• 27:15
  object,
• 27:15
  the
• 27:15
  pure
• 27:16
  being.
• 27:17
  What
• 27:17
  is
• 27:18
  known
• 27:18
  is
• 27:18
  pure
• 27:19
  being.
• 27:20
  And
• 27:20
  the
• 27:21
  knowing
• 27:21
  is
• 27:22
  pure
• 27:22
  being.
• 27:23
  All
• 27:23
  of
• 27:23
  it
• 27:23
  is
• 27:24
  pure
• 27:24
  being.
• 27:24
  So
• 27:25
  pure
• 27:25
  being
• 27:25
  includes
• 27:26
  all
• 27:26
  of
• 27:26
  those,
• 27:27
  has
• 27:27
  one
• 27:28
  thing.
• 27:28
  One
• 27:29
  thing,
• 27:29
  meaning
• 27:30
  there's
• 27:30
  no
• 27:30
  other.
• 27:32
  So
• 27:33
  we
• 27:33
  see
• 27:33
  here
• 27:33
  unity
• 27:34
  of
• 27:34
  oneness
• 27:35
  in
• 27:35
  two
• 27:35
  dimensions.
• 27:35
  From
• 27:36
  the
• 27:37
  middle
• 27:37
  of
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  ocean,
• 27:38
  or
• 27:38
  the
• 27:39
  surface
• 27:39
  of
• 27:39
  the
• 27:39
  ocean.
• 27:41
  Middle
• 27:41
  of
• 27:41
  the
• 27:41
  ocean
• 27:42
  expands
• 27:42
  itself.
• 27:43
  The
• 27:43
  beingness
• 27:44
  itself.
• 27:45
  You
• 27:45
  know,
• 27:45
  what
• 27:46
  is
• 27:46
  pure
• 27:47
  being?
• 27:47
  What
• 27:47
  is
• 27:47
  existence
• 27:48
  in
• 27:49
  itself.
• 27:50
  The
• 27:50
  second
• 27:51
  one
• 27:51
  is
• 27:51
  knowing
• 27:52
  that
• 27:52
  everything
• 27:53
  is
• 27:53
  made
• 27:54
  out
• 27:54
  of
• 27:54
  that
• 27:54
  existence.
• 27:56
  Everything
• 27:56
  is
• 27:56
  a
• 27:57
  formation
• 27:58
  from
• 27:59
  within
• 27:59
  this
• 27:59
  formless
• 28:00
  ground.
• 28:02
  So
• 28:02
  that's
• 28:03
  when
• 28:03
  we
• 28:03
  see
• 28:04
  that
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  form
• 28:05
  is
• 28:06
  formlessness.
• 28:08
  And
• 28:09
  formlessness
• 28:09
  is
• 28:10
  form.
• 28:11
  When
• 28:11
  from
• 28:11
  the
• 28:12
  perspective
• 28:12
  of
• 28:12
  the
• 28:12
  second
• 28:13
  kind
• 28:13
  of
• 28:14
  unity,
• 28:15
  which
• 28:15
  I
• 28:15
  call
• 28:15
  oneness.
• 28:17
  Because
• 28:17
  each
• 28:18
  form,
• 28:19
  if
• 28:19
  you
• 28:19
  get
• 28:20
  into
• 28:20
  it,
• 28:21
  if
• 28:21
  you
• 28:22
  just
• 28:22
  look
• 28:22
  a
• 28:23
  little
• 28:23
  deeper
• 28:23
  into
• 28:24
  it,
• 28:24
  you
• 28:24
  find
• 28:24
  the
• 28:25
  infinite
• 28:25
  formlessness.
• 28:29
  So
• 28:29
  the
• 28:29
  book
• 28:30
  behind
• 28:30
  you.
• 28:31
  Each
• 28:31
  one
• 28:32
  of
• 28:32
  them
• 28:32
  is
• 28:32
  an
• 28:32
  expression.
• 28:33
  Being
• 28:33
  is
• 28:34
  being.
• 28:35
  Taking
• 28:35
  that
• 28:36
  particular
• 28:36
  form.
• 28:37
  Each
• 28:38
  hair
• 28:38
  in
• 28:39
  your
• 28:39
  beard
• 28:40
  is
• 28:40
  being
• 28:41
  taken
• 28:41
  that
• 28:41
  particular
• 28:42
  form.
• 28:43
  This
• 28:44
  realization
• 28:44
  is
• 28:45
  very
• 28:46
  positive.
• 28:47
  I
• 28:47
  mean,
• 28:47
  it
• 28:47
  feels
• 28:48
  like
• 28:48
  an
• 28:48
  antidote
• 28:49
  to
• 28:50
  so
• 28:50
  much
• 28:50
  human
• 28:50
  suffering.
• 28:51
  Our
• 28:52
  existential
• 28:52
  and
• 28:53
  psychological
• 28:53
  and
• 28:54
  spiritual.
• 28:55
  Our
• 28:55
  lostness.
• 28:56
  It
• 28:56
  seems
• 28:57
  like.
• 28:57
  Well,
• 28:57
  you
• 28:57
  need
• 28:58
  to
• 28:58
  remember,
• 28:58
  you
• 28:59
  know,
• 28:59
  John,
• 28:59
  that
• 29:00
  all
• 29:00
  manifestation
• 29:01
  of
• 29:02
  true
• 29:02
  nature
• 29:03
  are
• 29:03
  antidote
• 29:04
  to
• 29:04
  suffering.
• 29:05
  True
• 29:06
  nature,
• 29:07
  whatever
• 29:07
  way
• 29:08
  it
• 29:08
  appears.
• 29:08
  As
• 29:08
  pure
• 29:09
  being,
• 29:09
  pure
• 29:09
  love
• 29:10
  or
• 29:10
  anything
• 29:11
  else.
• 29:11
  Or
• 29:11
  pure
• 29:11
  awareness.
• 29:12
  I
• 29:12
  will
• 29:12
  talk
• 29:13
  about
• 29:13
  some
• 29:13
  other
• 29:13
  time.
• 29:14
  They
• 29:15
  all
• 29:15
  have
• 29:16
  no
• 29:16
  suffering.
• 29:16
  They're
• 29:17
  all
• 29:17
  the
• 29:18
  purity
• 29:18
  of
• 29:19
  the
• 29:19
  spirit.
• 29:21
  Suffering
• 29:22
  comes
• 29:22
  from
• 29:22
  delusion,
• 29:23
  from
• 29:24
  limitation.
• 29:25
  Here
• 29:25
  we
• 29:26
  have
• 29:26
  no
• 29:26
  delusion,
• 29:27
  no
• 29:27
  limitation.
• 29:28
  It's
• 29:29
  a
• 29:29
  beautiful
• 29:29
  vision
• 29:30
  that
• 29:31
  you
• 29:31
  point
• 29:32
  to
• 29:32
  Hamid.
• 29:32
  With
• 29:33
  the
• 29:33
  recognition
• 29:34
  that
• 29:35
  all
• 29:35
  manifestation
• 29:37
  is
• 29:37
  or
• 29:38
  Eyes
• 29:38
  that
• 29:38
  can
• 29:39
  see
• 29:39
  a
• 29:39
  portal
• 29:40
  to
• 29:40
  the
• 29:40
  transcendent
• 29:41
  or
• 29:41
  is
• 29:41
  transparent
• 29:42
  to
• 29:42
  the
• 29:42
  transcendent.
• 29:44
  Yeah,
• 29:44
  yeah,
• 29:46
  yeah.
• 29:46
  I
• 29:46
  mean,
• 29:46
  there's
• 29:47
  Internet
• 29:47
  sometimes
• 29:48
  experiencing
• 29:50
  from
• 29:50
  within.
• 29:50
  Like
• 29:51
  I'm
• 29:51
  sitting
• 29:51
  in
• 29:51
  my
• 29:52
  room
• 29:52
  and
• 29:52
  I
• 29:52
  look
• 29:52
  and
• 29:53
  I
• 29:53
  see
• 29:54
  every
• 29:54
  wall,
• 29:55
  every
• 29:55
  object
• 29:57
  is
• 29:58
  transparent.
• 29:59
  And
• 29:59
  I
• 29:59
  look
• 29:59
  into
• 30:00
  it
• 30:00
  and
• 30:00
  I
• 30:00
  see
• 30:00
  the
• 30:01
  vast
• 30:02
  infinity
• 30:04
  of
• 30:04
  clear,
• 30:05
  pure
• 30:06
  beingness.
• 30:08
  But
• 30:08
  everything
• 30:09
  is
• 30:09
  that.
• 30:10
  I
• 30:10
  mean,
• 30:10
  as
• 30:10
  I
• 30:10
  said,
• 30:11
  all
• 30:11
  the
• 30:11
  way
• 30:11
  to
• 30:11
  the
• 30:12
  elementary
• 30:13
  particle,
• 30:13
  because
• 30:14
  it
• 30:14
  is
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  beingness
• 30:15
  of
• 30:15
  anything
• 30:16
  that
• 30:16
  is
• 30:17
  so.
• 30:17
  The
• 30:18
  isness
• 30:18
  of
• 30:18
  anything.
• 30:19
  Anything
• 30:19
  that
• 30:20
  everything
• 30:20
  that
• 30:20
  manifests,
• 30:21
  we
• 30:21
  say
• 30:21
  it
• 30:22
  exists,
• 30:22
  it
• 30:22
  is
• 30:22
  there.
• 30:23
  Scientists
• 30:24
  say,
• 30:24
  well,
• 30:24
  the
• 30:25
  mountain
• 30:25
  exists,
• 30:25
  it
• 30:26
  is
• 30:26
  there,
• 30:26
  I
• 30:26
  can
• 30:26
  measure
• 30:27
  it.
• 30:28
  But
• 30:29
  both
• 30:29
  the
• 30:30
  mountain
• 30:30
  and
• 30:31
  the
• 30:31
  measuring
• 30:32
  device
• 30:32
  and
• 30:32
  the
• 30:32
  measuring
• 30:33
  person,
• 30:33
  they're
• 30:34
  all
• 30:34
  pure
• 30:34
  being
• 30:35
  itself,
• 30:35
  manifesting
• 30:36
  in
• 30:36
  different
• 30:36
  forms.
• 30:39
  And
• 30:39
  our
• 30:39
  conventional
• 30:40
  worldview,
• 30:41
  including
• 30:41
  the
• 30:41
  scientific,
• 30:43
  overlooks
• 30:44
  the
• 30:46
  fundamental
• 30:47
  nature
• 30:48
  that
• 30:48
  you're
• 30:49
  pointing
• 30:49
  to.
• 30:49
  Our
• 30:50
  conventional
• 30:50
  worldview
• 30:51
  operates
• 30:51
  from
• 30:51
  the
• 30:52
  assumption.
• 30:52
  And
• 30:53
  we'll
• 30:53
  get
• 30:53
  into
• 30:53
  this,
• 30:54
  and
• 30:54
  you
• 30:54
  get
• 30:54
  into
• 30:54
  this
• 30:55
  in
• 30:55
  more
• 30:55
  detail
• 30:55
  later
• 30:56
  in
• 30:56
  the
• 30:56
  chapter.
• 30:57
  Operates
• 30:57
  from
• 30:57
  the
• 30:57
  assumption
• 30:58
  of
• 30:59
  the
• 30:59
  separation
• 31:00
  of
• 31:00
  all
• 31:01
  phenomena,
• 31:02
  all
• 31:02
  things
• 31:02
  of
• 31:03
  us.
• 31:03
  Well,
• 31:04
  the
• 31:04
  ordinary
• 31:05
  mind,
• 31:05
  which
• 31:06
  is
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  ego
• 31:06
  mind,
• 31:08
  appear
• 31:09
  in
• 31:09
  a
• 31:09
  scientific
• 31:10
  perspective
• 31:11
  as
• 31:12
  everything
• 31:12
  is
• 31:12
  separate.
• 31:14
  And
• 31:15
  you
• 31:15
  can
• 31:15
  measure
• 31:16
  it,
• 31:16
  you
• 31:16
  can
• 31:16
  know
• 31:16
  it,
• 31:17
  you
• 31:17
  can
• 31:17
  not
• 31:17
  know
• 31:18
  it,
• 31:18
  but
• 31:19
  everything,
• 31:19
  like
• 31:20
  a
• 31:20
  rock
• 31:20
  is
• 31:21
  just
• 31:21
  a
• 31:21
  rock.
• 31:22
  An
• 31:23
  iron
• 31:24
  piece
• 31:24
  is
• 31:24
  an
• 31:24
  iron
• 31:25
  piece.
• 31:25
  It's
• 31:26
  just
• 31:26
  iron.
• 31:27
  There's
• 31:27
  nothing
• 31:27
  to
• 31:28
  it
• 31:28
  but
• 31:28
  iron
• 31:29
  made
• 31:30
  out,
• 31:30
  maybe
• 31:31
  created
• 31:31
  in
• 31:32
  the
• 31:32
  middle
• 31:32
  of
• 31:32
  a
• 31:32
  star
• 31:33
  made
• 31:33
  out
• 31:33
  of
• 31:34
  iron.
• 31:35
  From
• 31:35
  this
• 31:35
  perspective,
• 31:36
  it
• 31:36
  is
• 31:36
  iron,
• 31:37
  but
• 31:37
  it's
• 31:37
  iron.
• 31:38
  But
• 31:38
  its
• 31:38
  nature
• 31:39
  is
• 31:39
  pure
• 31:40
  existence.
• 31:41
  What
• 31:42
  is
• 31:42
  the
• 31:42
  existence
• 31:42
  of
• 31:43
  the
• 31:43
  iron?
• 31:44
  And
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  ordinary
• 31:45
  point
• 31:45
  of
• 31:45
  view
• 31:45
  say,
• 31:45
  well,
• 31:46
  it
• 31:46
  exists
• 31:46
  because
• 31:47
  I
• 31:47
  can
• 31:47
  observe
• 31:48
  it,
• 31:48
  measure
• 31:48
  it,
• 31:49
  and
• 31:49
  it
• 31:50
  is
• 31:50
  there.
• 31:51
  Here
• 31:51
  we
• 31:52
  see
• 31:52
  it
• 31:52
  is
• 31:52
  true
• 31:53
  what
• 31:53
  we
• 31:54
  say.
• 31:54
  It
• 31:54
  doesn't
• 31:54
  contradict
• 31:55
  those
• 31:55
  things.
• 31:56
  But
• 31:56
  saying
• 31:56
  it's
• 31:57
  possible
• 31:57
  for
• 31:57
  me
• 31:58
  to
• 31:58
  experience
• 31:58
  its
• 31:59
  existence
• 32:00
  and
• 32:00
  the
• 32:00
  observer
• 32:01
  is
• 32:01
  the
• 32:01
  observed
• 32:03
  observer.
• 32:04
  He
• 32:04
  always
• 32:04
  is
• 32:04
  the
• 32:05
  observed.
• 32:05
  It's
• 32:06
  always
• 32:06
  pure
• 32:07
  being
• 32:07
  itself.
• 32:08
  Pure
• 32:09
  being
• 32:09
  looking
• 32:09
  at
• 32:09
  itself,
• 32:11
  looking
• 32:11
  at
• 32:11
  its
• 32:11
  own
• 32:12
  appearance.
• 32:13
  Perhaps
• 32:14
  important
• 32:14
  to
• 32:15
  acknowledge
• 32:15
  the
• 32:16
  point
• 32:16
  to
• 32:17
  the
• 32:17
  complementarity
• 32:19
  of
• 32:19
  the
• 32:20
  profound
• 32:21
  vision
• 32:21
  you
• 32:21
  offer
• 32:22
  me.
• 32:22
  Which
• 32:22
  doesn't
• 32:23
  negate
• 32:23
  the
• 32:23
  fact
• 32:24
  that
• 32:24
  the
• 32:24
  iron,
• 32:25
  the
• 32:25
  metal
• 32:25
  iron
• 32:26
  had
• 32:27
  its
• 32:27
  origin
• 32:27
  in
• 32:28
  the
• 32:28
  starburst
• 32:29
  or
• 32:29
  in
• 32:29
  a
• 32:29
  supernova.
• 32:30
  Yes.
• 32:31
  And
• 32:31
  the
• 32:32
  fundamental
• 32:32
  being
• 32:33
  of
• 32:33
  the
• 32:33
  supernova
• 32:34
  and
• 32:34
  the
• 32:34
  iron,
• 32:36
  that's.
• 32:36
  Yeah,
• 32:37
  it
• 32:37
  does
• 32:37
  not
• 32:38
  negate
• 32:38
  any.
• 32:38
  All
• 32:39
  those
• 32:39
  are
• 32:40
  just
• 32:40
  the
• 32:40
  way
• 32:40
  we
• 32:41
  know
• 32:41
  them.
• 32:41
  You
• 32:42
  could
• 32:42
  measure
• 32:42
  them
• 32:43
  and
• 32:43
  look
• 32:43
  at
• 32:43
  them
• 32:44
  from
• 32:44
  a
• 32:44
  scientific
• 32:45
  perspective.
• 32:45
  A
• 32:45
  dollar
• 32:46
  perspective.
• 32:47
  And
• 32:47
  that's
• 32:48
  useful.
• 32:49
  However,
• 32:49
  we're
• 32:50
  going
• 32:50
  to.
• 32:50
  We're
• 32:51
  here
• 32:51
  delving
• 32:52
  into
• 32:52
  them
• 32:53
  in
• 32:53
  a
• 32:53
  different
• 32:53
  way.
• 32:54
  We're
• 32:54
  delving
• 32:54
  into
• 32:55
  them
• 32:56
  by
• 32:56
  Knowing
• 32:57
  their
• 32:57
  ontological
• 32:58
  ground.
• 32:58
  You
• 32:59
  know,
• 32:59
  one
• 32:59
  thing
• 33:00
  to
• 33:00
  know
• 33:01
  is
• 33:01
  that
• 33:01
  science
• 33:03
  in
• 33:03
  general
• 33:04
  does
• 33:05
  not
• 33:05
  deal
• 33:05
  with
• 33:05
  ontology.
• 33:07
  In
• 33:07
  fact,
• 33:08
  scientists
• 33:09
  have
• 33:09
  been
• 33:09
  told
• 33:09
  by
• 33:10
  many
• 33:10
  scientists
• 33:11
  this
• 33:11
  is
• 33:12
  not
• 33:12
  our
• 33:12
  field.
• 33:14
  We
• 33:14
  don't
• 33:14
  deal
• 33:14
  with
• 33:15
  ontology.
• 33:16
  We
• 33:16
  deal
• 33:17
  with
• 33:18
  how
• 33:18
  things
• 33:19
  behave,
• 33:21
  how
• 33:21
  they
• 33:21
  appear,
• 33:22
  how
• 33:22
  they
• 33:22
  behave.
• 33:23
  That's
• 33:24
  what
• 33:24
  science
• 33:24
  does.
• 33:24
  And
• 33:25
  does
• 33:25
  it
• 33:25
  well.
• 33:27
  Ultimately,
• 33:28
  science
• 33:28
  is
• 33:28
  chasing
• 33:29
  its
• 33:29
  own
• 33:29
  tail
• 33:30
  because
• 33:30
  they,
• 33:31
  they're
• 33:31
  pretty
• 33:31
  good
• 33:31
  with
• 33:32
  forms.
• 33:32
  But
• 33:33
  the
• 33:33
  formless
• 33:34
  and
• 33:34
  the
• 33:34
  knowingness
• 33:35
  and
• 33:35
  the
• 33:35
  consciousness
• 33:35
  is
• 33:36
  left
• 33:36
  out
• 33:36
  of
• 33:36
  the
• 33:36
  equation.
• 33:37
  So
• 33:38
  I
• 33:38
  think
• 33:38
  the
• 33:38
  last
• 33:38
  30
• 33:39
  years,
• 33:39
  you
• 33:39
  know,
• 33:40
  quantum
• 33:40
  physics
• 33:41
  has
• 33:41
  just
• 33:41
  been
• 33:42
  lost
• 33:43
  because
• 33:43
  it,
• 33:43
  it
• 33:44
  doesn't
• 33:45
  admit
• 33:46
  dimensions
• 33:47
  that
• 33:47
  you're
• 33:47
  talking
• 33:47
  about
• 33:48
  the
• 33:48
  ground
• 33:48
  of
• 33:49
  being.
• 33:50
  Well,
• 33:50
  I
• 33:50
  mean,
• 33:51
  quantum
• 33:52
  physics,
• 33:52
  as
• 33:52
  you
• 33:53
  mention
• 33:53
  it,
• 33:54
  is
• 33:54
  one
• 33:55
  of
• 33:55
  the
• 33:56
  form
• 33:56
  of
• 33:57
  physics
• 33:57
  that
• 33:58
  comes
• 33:58
  closest
• 34:00
  to
• 34:01
  acknowledging
• 34:02
  there
• 34:02
  is
• 34:02
  something
• 34:03
  else
• 34:03
  beside
• 34:03
  the
• 34:04
  physical,
• 34:05
  which
• 34:05
  is
• 34:05
  the
• 34:05
  fact
• 34:06
  of
• 34:06
  the
• 34:06
  observer.
• 34:07
  That
• 34:07
  there
• 34:08
  has
• 34:08
  to
• 34:08
  be
• 34:08
  an
• 34:08
  observer
• 34:09
  experienced,
• 34:11
  there
• 34:11
  have
• 34:11
  to
• 34:11
  be.
• 34:12
  And
• 34:12
  that
• 34:13
  is
• 34:13
  not
• 34:13
  part
• 34:14
  of
• 34:14
  the
• 34:14
  theory.
• 34:14
  The
• 34:15
  theory
• 34:15
  dependent
• 34:16
  on
• 34:16
  it.
• 34:16
  But
• 34:16
  theory
• 34:17
  doesn't
• 34:17
  explain
• 34:17
  the
• 34:18
  observer.
• 34:19
  It
• 34:19
  is
• 34:20
  a
• 34:20
  big
• 34:20
  question
• 34:20
  now
• 34:21
  on
• 34:21
  quantum
• 34:21
  theory,
• 34:22
  what
• 34:22
  is
• 34:22
  that?
• 34:23
  Because
• 34:24
  you
• 34:24
  call
• 34:24
  it,
• 34:24
  you
• 34:25
  know,
• 34:25
  the
• 34:25
  collapse
• 34:26
  of
• 34:26
  the
• 34:26
  wave
• 34:26
  function.
• 34:27
  The
• 34:27
  collapse
• 34:27
  happened
• 34:28
  through
• 34:28
  the
• 34:29
  observer
• 34:30
  observing,
• 34:30
  making
• 34:31
  experiment.
• 34:32
  But
• 34:32
  the
• 34:32
  theory
• 34:33
  itself
• 34:33
  doesn't
• 34:34
  explain
• 34:34
  what
• 34:34
  is
• 34:34
  this
• 34:35
  observer.
• 34:36
  How
• 34:36
  does
• 34:36
  the
• 34:36
  observer
• 34:37
  decide
• 34:37
  to
• 34:38
  make
• 34:38
  an
• 34:38
  observation?
• 34:39
  And
• 34:40
  they
• 34:40
  don't
• 34:40
  like
• 34:40
  that.
• 34:41
  It
• 34:41
  really
• 34:41
  bugs
• 34:42
  them.
• 34:43
  But
• 34:44
  they're
• 34:44
  trying
• 34:44
  to
• 34:44
  explain
• 34:45
  it
• 34:45
  in
• 34:45
  all
• 34:46
  kinds
• 34:46
  of
• 34:46
  ways.
• 34:46
  And
• 34:47
  there
• 34:47
  are
• 34:47
  many
• 34:47
  theories
• 34:48
  of
• 34:48
  consciousness
• 34:49
  actually
• 34:50
  that
• 34:50
  are
• 34:51
  made
• 34:51
  out
• 34:51
  by
• 34:52
  scientists,
• 34:54
  you
• 34:54
  know,
• 34:55
  trying
• 34:55
  to
• 34:56
  explain
• 34:56
  consciousness.
• 34:57
  Because
• 34:57
  here
• 34:57
  they
• 34:57
  cannot
• 34:58
  deny
• 34:58
  consciousness.
• 34:59
  Consciousness
• 34:59
  is
• 34:59
  needed
• 35:00
  for
• 35:01
  quantum
• 35:02
  theory,
• 35:02
  classical
• 35:03
  theory,
• 35:03
  like
• 35:04
  Newtonian,
• 35:05
  he
• 35:05
  didn't
• 35:05
  talk
• 35:06
  about
• 35:06
  those
• 35:06
  kind
• 35:07
  of
• 35:07
  things.
• 35:07
  He
• 35:08
  said
• 35:08
  that's
• 35:08
  how
• 35:08
  things
• 35:08
  are.
• 35:10
  You
• 35:10
  know,
• 35:11
  when
• 35:11
  you
• 35:11
  drop
• 35:12
  something,
• 35:12
  it
• 35:12
  just
• 35:13
  fall.
• 35:13
  He
• 35:14
  didn't
• 35:14
  say
• 35:14
  that
• 35:15
  experimenter
• 35:15
  is
• 35:16
  needed
• 35:16
  for
• 35:17
  that.
• 35:17
  He
• 35:17
  said
• 35:18
  the
• 35:19
  moon
• 35:19
  goes
• 35:19
  around
• 35:20
  the
• 35:20
  Earth.
• 35:20
  It
• 35:21
  just
• 35:21
  goes
• 35:21
  around
• 35:22
  there,
• 35:22
  whether
• 35:22
  we
• 35:22
  know
• 35:23
  it
• 35:23
  or
• 35:23
  not.
• 35:24
  Quantum
• 35:24
  theory
• 35:25
  says
• 35:25
  no,
• 35:26
  only
• 35:26
  when
• 35:26
  you
• 35:26
  see
• 35:26
  that.
• 35:27
  That's
• 35:27
  one
• 35:27
  thing
• 35:27
  Einstein
• 35:28
  didn't
• 35:28
  like.
• 35:29
  He
• 35:29
  said,
• 35:29
  I
• 35:29
  mean,
• 35:30
  the
• 35:30
  moon
• 35:30
  doesn't
• 35:30
  go
• 35:30
  around
• 35:31
  the
• 35:31
  Earth
• 35:31
  unless
• 35:31
  I
• 35:32
  see
• 35:32
  it.
• 35:32
  That
• 35:33
  doesn't
• 35:33
  make
• 35:33
  sense.
• 35:35
  But,
• 35:35
  you
• 35:35
  know,
• 35:36
  it
• 35:36
  is
• 35:37
  not
• 35:37
  the
• 35:37
  field
• 35:37
  of
• 35:38
  science.
• 35:38
  Maybe
• 35:39
  science
• 35:39
  at
• 35:39
  some
• 35:40
  point
• 35:40
  might
• 35:40
  find
• 35:40
  out
• 35:41
  they
• 35:41
  will
• 35:42
  have
• 35:42
  to
• 35:44
  come
• 35:44
  to
• 35:44
  a
• 35:44
  realm
• 35:45
  like
• 35:45
  this
• 35:45
  to
• 35:46
  be
• 35:46
  able
• 35:46
  to
• 35:47
  explain
• 35:47
  some
• 35:48
  of
• 35:48
  the
• 35:48
  phenomena
• 35:49
  they
• 35:49
  encounter.
• 35:50
  It
• 35:51
  is
• 35:51
  possible,
• 35:51
  but
• 35:52
  we're
• 35:52
  not
• 35:52
  close
• 35:52
  to
• 35:53
  that.
• 35:54
  We're
• 35:54
  not
• 35:54
  close
• 35:55
  to
• 35:55
  that.
• 35:55
  You
• 35:55
  know,
• 35:56
  remember
• 35:57
  listening
• 35:58
  to
• 35:58
  Roger
• 35:58
  Penrose,
• 35:59
  you
• 35:59
  know,
• 35:59
  you
• 36:00
  hear
• 36:00
  Roger
• 36:00
  Penrose,
• 36:01
  the
• 36:01
  guy
• 36:02
  who
• 36:02
  got
• 36:03
  the
• 36:03
  Nobel
• 36:04
  Prize
• 36:04
  for
• 36:04
  black
• 36:04
  holes.
• 36:05
  He's
• 36:06
  a
• 36:06
  British
• 36:07
  mathematician,
• 36:08
  physicist,
• 36:09
  90
• 36:10
  something
• 36:10
  years
• 36:10
  old.
• 36:11
  But
• 36:11
  he's
• 36:11
  very
• 36:11
  clear.
• 36:12
  And
• 36:12
  he's
• 36:12
  very
• 36:13
  clear,
• 36:13
  very
• 36:13
  clear.
• 36:14
  Basically
• 36:15
  what
• 36:15
  he
• 36:16
  said.
• 36:16
  I
• 36:16
  remember,
• 36:17
  I
• 36:17
  thought,
• 36:17
  that's
• 36:18
  very
• 36:18
  good.
• 36:18
  He
• 36:19
  has
• 36:19
  a
• 36:19
  theory
• 36:19
  of
• 36:20
  consciousness,
• 36:20
  you
• 36:20
  know,
• 36:21
  himself
• 36:22
  about
• 36:24
  microtubules,
• 36:25
  whatever.
• 36:26
  Exactly.
• 36:26
  Brain.
• 36:27
  He
• 36:27
  has
• 36:27
  it
• 36:28
  with
• 36:28
  Hameroff,
• 36:29
  more
• 36:30
  biologist.
• 36:31
  But
• 36:31
  he
• 36:31
  says
• 36:33
  one
• 36:33
  thing,
• 36:33
  I
• 36:34
  admired
• 36:34
  him
• 36:34
  because
• 36:34
  I
• 36:35
  thought
• 36:35
  he's
• 36:35
  a
• 36:35
  humble.
• 36:36
  He's
• 36:36
  really
• 36:36
  a
• 36:36
  realistic
• 36:37
  physicist.
• 36:38
  He
• 36:38
  said,
• 36:39
  you
• 36:39
  know,
• 36:39
  to
• 36:39
  talk
• 36:40
  about
• 36:40
  understanding
• 36:41
  consciousness,
• 36:41
  we
• 36:42
  have
• 36:42
  theories
• 36:42
  of
• 36:42
  consciousness,
• 36:43
  but
• 36:43
  we're
• 36:43
  way
• 36:44
  far
• 36:44
  from
• 36:44
  understanding
• 36:45
  what
• 36:45
  consciousness
• 36:46
  is.
• 36:46
  He
• 36:46
  said,
• 36:46
  we
• 36:47
  don't
• 36:47
  even
• 36:47
  know
• 36:47
  what
• 36:47
  matter
• 36:48
  is.
• 36:49
  Yeah,
• 36:50
  he
• 36:50
  said
• 36:50
  we
• 36:50
  don't
• 36:51
  know
• 36:51
  what
• 36:51
  matter.
• 36:51
  He
• 36:51
  said,
• 36:51
  nobody
• 36:52
  knows
• 36:52
  what
• 36:52
  an
• 36:52
  electron
• 36:53
  is.
• 36:54
  You
• 36:54
  know,
• 36:54
  how
• 36:55
  to
• 36:55
  measure
• 36:55
  its
• 36:55
  movement.
• 36:56
  You
• 36:56
  don't
• 36:56
  know
• 36:56
  what
• 36:57
  it
• 36:57
  is.
• 36:58
  And
• 36:58
  Hamid,
• 36:59
  my
• 36:59
  question
• 36:59
  I've
• 36:59
  always
• 37:00
  wanted
• 37:00
  to
• 37:00
  ask
• 37:00
  you,
• 37:00
  because
• 37:00
  of
• 37:00
  your
• 37:01
  background
• 37:01
  in
• 37:01
  physics
• 37:01
  and
• 37:02
  obviously
• 37:03
  your
• 37:03
  intellectual
• 37:03
  brilliance,
• 37:04
  is
• 37:04
  how
• 37:05
  close
• 37:05
  can
• 37:06
  mathematics
• 37:07
  take
• 37:07
  us
• 37:08
  to
• 37:08
  this
• 37:09
  realization
• 37:11
  of
• 37:11
  the
• 37:11
  ground
• 37:11
  of
• 37:12
  being,
• 37:13
  presence?
• 37:14
  Can
• 37:15
  it
• 37:15
  get
• 37:15
  there?
• 37:15
  You
• 37:15
  mentioned
• 37:16
  one
• 37:16
  time
• 37:16
  you,
• 37:16
  you
• 37:17
  tried
• 37:17
  to
• 37:17
  do
• 37:18
  a
• 37:18
  mathematical
• 37:18
  state
• 37:19
  and
• 37:19
  explaining
• 37:19
  consciousness,
• 37:20
  but
• 37:20
  you
• 37:20
  said
• 37:20
  there
• 37:20
  are
• 37:20
  too
• 37:21
  many
• 37:21
  variables.
• 37:21
  I
• 37:22
  mean,
• 37:22
  how
• 37:22
  far
• 37:23
  can
• 37:23
  mathematics,
• 37:24
  the
• 37:24
  scientific
• 37:25
  way
• 37:25
  of
• 37:25
  looking
• 37:25
  at
• 37:26
  things,
• 37:26
  get
• 37:26
  us
• 37:26
  to
• 37:27
  this
• 37:28
  realization
• 37:29
  of
• 37:29
  what
• 37:29
  we're
• 37:29
  talking
• 37:29
  about,
• 37:30
  the
• 37:30
  unity
• 37:30
  of
• 37:30
  all
• 37:31
  things,
• 37:32
  the
• 37:32
  presence,
• 37:33
  that
• 37:33
  which
• 37:34
  comes
• 37:34
  before
• 37:35
  everything?
• 37:36
  Well,
• 37:37
  I
• 37:37
  don't
• 37:37
  know
• 37:37
  at
• 37:38
  the
• 37:38
  present
• 37:38
  time,
• 37:38
  they're
• 37:39
  not
• 37:39
  trying
• 37:39
  to
• 37:40
  do
• 37:40
  that.
• 37:41
  Nobody
• 37:42
  trying
• 37:42
  to
• 37:42
  go
• 37:43
  to
• 37:43
  that
• 37:43
  direction.
• 37:45
  Whether
• 37:45
  it's
• 37:46
  possible,
• 37:47
  I
• 37:48
  don't
• 37:48
  know.
• 37:48
  I
• 37:48
  mean,
• 37:49
  the
• 37:49
  ancient
• 37:50
  mathematicians
• 37:52
  like
• 37:52
  Euclid
• 37:53
  and
• 37:54
  others
• 37:55
  before
• 37:55
  him,
• 37:56
  they
• 37:57
  were
• 37:57
  more
• 37:57
  in
• 37:57
  touch
• 37:58
  with
• 37:58
  that
• 37:58
  kind
• 37:58
  of
• 37:59
  realm
• 37:59
  and
• 37:59
  they
• 38:00
  saw
• 38:00
  the
• 38:01
  physical
• 38:01
  world
• 38:01
  and
• 38:02
  the
• 38:02
  outer
• 38:02
  world.
• 38:03
  But,
• 38:04
  you
• 38:04
  know,
• 38:04
  our
• 38:05
  modern
• 38:05
  scientists
• 38:06
  are
• 38:06
  more
• 38:07
  mind
• 38:07
  oriented.
• 38:09
  Some
• 38:09
  of
• 38:09
  them
• 38:10
  are
• 38:10
  mystics
• 38:10
  and
• 38:11
  they
• 38:11
  want
• 38:11
  to
• 38:11
  know
• 38:11
  about
• 38:12
  those
• 38:12
  things.
• 38:12
  But
• 38:13
  David
• 38:13
  Bohm
• 38:14
  tried
• 38:15
  to
• 38:15
  connect
• 38:16
  quantum
• 38:17
  theory
• 38:17
  with
• 38:17
  something
• 38:18
  like
• 38:18
  this,
• 38:19
  and
• 38:19
  he
• 38:19
  talk
• 38:19
  about
• 38:19
  the
• 38:20
  explicate
• 38:20
  order
• 38:21
  and
• 38:21
  the
• 38:21
  implicate
• 38:22
  order.
• 38:23
  That's
• 38:23
  very
• 38:23
  close
• 38:24
  to
• 38:24
  the
• 38:25
  implicate
• 38:25
  order.
• 38:25
  What
• 38:26
  is
• 38:26
  the
• 38:26
  underlying
• 38:27
  thing?
• 38:28
  Implicate
• 38:28
  order,
• 38:30
  explicate
• 38:30
  order
• 38:30
  in
• 38:31
  the
• 38:31
  universe
• 38:31
  as
• 38:32
  we
• 38:32
  know
• 38:32
  it,
• 38:32
  as
• 38:32
  scientists
• 38:33
  measure
• 38:33
  it,
• 38:34
  the
• 38:34
  implicate
• 38:35
  order
• 38:35
  is
• 38:36
  implicit.
• 38:37
  It's
• 38:37
  there.
• 38:37
  We
• 38:38
  cannot
• 38:38
  measure
• 38:38
  it,
• 38:39
  we
• 38:39
  cannot
• 38:39
  see
• 38:39
  it.
• 38:40
  He
• 38:40
  did
• 38:41
  that
• 38:41
  and
• 38:41
  he
• 38:42
  respected
• 38:43
  quantum
• 38:43
  theory.
• 38:44
  He
• 38:44
  wanted
• 38:44
  to
• 38:45
  go
• 38:45
  there.
• 38:45
  And
• 38:45
  actually
• 38:46
  he's
• 38:46
  the
• 38:46
  one
• 38:46
  who
• 38:47
  had
• 38:47
  dialogue
• 38:48
  with
• 38:48
  Krishnamurti,
• 38:50
  if
• 38:50
  you
• 38:50
  know,
• 38:51
  discussing
• 38:51
  things
• 38:52
  like
• 38:52
  he
• 38:52
  was
• 38:52
  interested.
• 38:54
  But
• 38:54
  I,
• 38:55
  I
• 38:55
  don't
• 38:55
  know
• 38:55
  if
• 38:55
  he
• 38:55
  had
• 38:56
  the
• 38:56
  experience
• 38:56
  of
• 38:56
  pure
• 38:57
  beingness
• 38:57
  or
• 38:58
  not.
• 38:58
  Maybe
• 38:58
  he
• 38:58
  did
• 38:59
  and
• 38:59
  that's
• 38:59
  why
• 38:59
  he
• 38:59
  did
• 39:00
  that.
• 39:01
  So
• 39:01
  I
• 39:01
  think
• 39:01
  scientists,
• 39:02
  depending
• 39:02
  on
• 39:02
  the
• 39:03
  scientists
• 39:03
  themselves,
• 39:05
  how
• 39:05
  much
• 39:05
  they
• 39:06
  have
• 39:06
  experience
• 39:06
  of
• 39:07
  it.
• 39:07
  By
• 39:08
  the
• 39:08
  way,
• 39:08
  the
• 39:09
  originator
• 39:10
  of
• 39:10
  quantum
• 39:11
  theory,
• 39:12
  like
• 39:12
  Niels
• 39:13
  Bohr,
• 39:14
  Heisenberg,
• 39:16
  Schrodinger,
• 39:18
  they
• 39:18
  all
• 39:18
  were
• 39:19
  interested
• 39:20
  in
• 39:20
  Indian
• 39:21
  philosophy.
• 39:24
  And
• 39:25
  because
• 39:25
  they
• 39:25
  thought
• 39:26
  there's
• 39:26
  more
• 39:26
  to
• 39:27
  reality
• 39:27
  than
• 39:27
  that,
• 39:28
  so
• 39:29
  they
• 39:29
  were
• 39:30
  aware
• 39:30
  of
• 39:30
  it,
• 39:31
  they
• 39:32
  knew
• 39:32
  there
• 39:32
  is
• 39:32
  such
• 39:33
  thing.
• 39:34
  And
• 39:34
  even
• 39:34
  I
• 39:35
  think
• 39:35
  Heisenberg,
• 39:36
  who
• 39:36
  said
• 39:37
  when
• 39:37
  they
• 39:37
  asked
• 39:37
  him
• 39:37
  about
• 39:38
  the
• 39:38
  physical
• 39:39
  world,
• 39:39
  that's
• 39:40
  reality,
• 39:41
  he
• 39:41
  said,
• 39:41
  no,
• 39:42
  no,
• 39:42
  this
• 39:43
  is
• 39:43
  just
• 39:43
  a
• 39:43
  small
• 39:44
  part
• 39:44
  of
• 39:44
  reality.
• 39:45
  He
• 39:45
  said,
• 39:46
  consciousness
• 39:46
  is
• 39:47
  much
• 39:47
  bigger
• 39:47
  than
• 39:48
  thing,
• 39:49
  than
• 39:49
  that.
• 39:50
  So
• 39:50
  those
• 39:50
  people
• 39:51
  had
• 39:52
  an
• 39:52
  appreciation
• 39:53
  of
• 39:53
  that,
• 39:53
  but
• 39:54
  they
• 39:54
  didn't
• 39:54
  have
• 39:54
  a
• 39:55
  way
• 39:55
  to
• 39:55
  study
• 39:55
  it.
• 39:56
  That's
• 39:56
  the
• 39:57
  problem.
• 39:57
  They
• 39:57
  didn't
• 39:58
  have
• 39:58
  a
• 39:58
  way
• 39:58
  to
• 39:58
  study
• 39:58
  it.
• 39:59
  Would
• 39:59
  the
• 39:59
  science
• 40:00
  at
• 40:00
  some
• 40:00
  point
• 40:01
  have
• 40:01
  a
• 40:01
  way
• 40:01
  to
• 40:01
  study
• 40:02
  it
• 40:02
  be
• 40:02
  interesting?
• 40:03
  I
• 40:03
  think
• 40:04
  it
• 40:04
  is
• 40:05
  possible.
• 40:06
  If
• 40:06
  they
• 40:07
  use
• 40:07
  the
• 40:08
  kind
• 40:08
  of
• 40:08
  inquiry
• 40:09
  we've
• 40:09
  been
• 40:09
  talking
• 40:10
  about,
• 40:11
  meaning
• 40:11
  to
• 40:12
  use
• 40:12
  the
• 40:12
  inquiry
• 40:13
  that
• 40:13
  looks
• 40:14
  not
• 40:14
  into
• 40:14
  matter
• 40:15
  but
• 40:15
  into
• 40:16
  our.
• 40:16
  Into
• 40:17
  the
• 40:17
  observer,
• 40:19
  not
• 40:19
  into
• 40:19
  what
• 40:19
  is
• 40:19
  observed,
• 40:20
  but
• 40:20
  into
• 40:21
  the
• 40:21
  observer
• 40:21
  itself,
• 40:23
  experience
• 40:23
  itself,
• 40:24
  then
• 40:25
  it's
• 40:25
  possible.
• 40:25
  I
• 40:26
  think
• 40:26
  maybe
• 40:27
  that's
• 40:27
  a
• 40:27
  way
• 40:27
  of
• 40:28
  entry
• 40:29
  into
• 40:29
  that.
• 40:30
  What
• 40:30
  I'm
• 40:31
  talking
• 40:31
  about
• 40:31
  is
• 40:32
  not
• 40:32
  just
• 40:32
  I
• 40:33
  know
• 40:33
  it,
• 40:34
  many
• 40:34
  people
• 40:34
  know
• 40:34
  it.
• 40:35
  In
• 40:36
  my
• 40:36
  school,
• 40:37
  I
• 40:37
  taught
• 40:37
  many
• 40:38
  people
• 40:38
  that
• 40:40
  teaching
• 40:40
  all
• 40:41
  of
• 40:41
  that.
• 40:41
  So
• 40:41
  we
• 40:42
  talk
• 40:42
  about
• 40:42
  the
• 40:42
  community
• 40:43
  that
• 40:43
  we
• 40:43
  have.
• 40:45
  Many
• 40:45
  people
• 40:45
  in
• 40:45
  this
• 40:45
  community,
• 40:46
  many
• 40:46
  teachers
• 40:46
  know
• 40:47
  what
• 40:47
  I'm
• 40:47
  talking
• 40:47
  about.
• 40:48
  They
• 40:48
  can
• 40:48
  teach
• 40:48
  it.
• 40:49
  I
• 40:49
  mean
• 40:50
  the
• 40:50
  books
• 40:50
  are
• 40:50
  attempt
• 40:51
  to
• 40:51
  communicate
• 40:52
  it
• 40:53
  to
• 40:53
  the
• 40:53
  general
• 40:54
  public.
• 40:54
  But
• 40:55
  in
• 40:55
  the
• 40:55
  school
• 40:56
  people
• 40:56
  can
• 40:57
  actually
• 40:57
  learn
• 40:57
  it
• 40:58
  through
• 40:58
  the
• 40:58
  practices
• 40:59
  and
• 41:00
  learn
• 41:00
  this
• 41:00
  to
• 41:01
  be
• 41:01
  the
• 41:01
  full
• 41:02
  experience
• 41:02
  of
• 41:02
  it.
• 41:04
  It's
• 41:04
  important
• 41:04
  to
• 41:05
  know
• 41:05
  that
• 41:07
  I'm
• 41:07
  saying
• 41:07
  this
• 41:08
  for
• 41:08
  the
• 41:08
  listeners,
• 41:09
  that,
• 41:09
  that
• 41:09
  it
• 41:09
  is
• 41:10
  possible
• 41:10
  to
• 41:10
  learn
• 41:11
  this,
• 41:11
  not
• 41:12
  just
• 41:12
  to
• 41:12
  hear
• 41:12
  about
• 41:12
  it,
• 41:14
  to
• 41:15
  learn
• 41:15
  it
• 41:15
  and
• 41:16
  realize
• 41:16
  it
• 41:16
  and
• 41:17
  be
• 41:17
  it
• 41:17
  and
• 41:17
  experience
• 41:18
  it,
• 41:19
  you
• 41:19
  know,
• 41:20
  and
• 41:20
  I
• 41:20
  think
• 41:20
  with
• 41:20
  the
• 41:21
  two
• 41:21
  of
• 41:21
  you,
• 41:22
  obviously
• 41:22
  you
• 41:23
  getting
• 41:24
  some
• 41:24
  learning
• 41:25
  here,
• 41:25
  you're
• 41:25
  getting
• 41:25
  some
• 41:26
  experience
• 41:26
  by
• 41:26
  reading
• 41:27
  the
• 41:27
  book,
• 41:27
  by
• 41:27
  delving
• 41:28
  into
• 41:28
  the
• 41:28
  book
• 41:28
  deeply.
• 41:30
  Stay
• 41:30
  tuned
• 41:30
  for
• 41:31
  part
• 41:31
  two
• 41:31
  of
• 41:31
  our
• 41:31
  conversation
• 41:32
  with
• 41:32
  Hamid
• 41:33
  Ali
• 41:33
  as
• 41:34
  we
• 41:34
  continue
• 41:34
  to
• 41:34
  peek
• 41:35
  through,
• 41:35
  through
• 41:35
  the
• 41:35
  curtain
• 41:36
  of
• 41:36
  the
• 41:36
  paradigm
• 41:37
  shattering
• 41:37
  true
• 41:38
  nature
• 41:38
  of
• 41:39
  reality.
• 41:40
  Thank
• 41:40
  you
• 41:41
  very
• 41:41
  much
• 41:41
  for
• 41:42
  being
• 41:42
  a
• 41:42
  part
• 41:42
  of
• 41:42
  this
• 41:43
  conversation.
• 41:43
  We
• 41:44
  hope
• 41:44
  that
• 41:44
  you
• 41:44
  were
• 41:44
  moved
• 41:45
  as
• 41:45
  we
• 41:45
  are
• 41:46
  moved
• 41:46
  being
• 41:46
  part
• 41:46
  of
• 41:47
  it
• 41:47
  ourselves.
• 41:48
  We'd
• 41:48
  also
• 41:48
  like
• 41:48
  to
• 41:49
  say
• 41:49
  that
• 41:49
  this
• 41:49
  is
• 41:49
  being
• 41:50
  funded
• 41:50
  by
• 41:51
  Roger
• 41:51
  and
• 41:51
  myself.
• 41:51
  It
• 41:52
  comes
• 41:52
  out
• 41:52
  of
• 41:52
  our
• 41:52
  pockets.
• 41:53
  So
• 41:53
  if
• 41:53
  you
• 41:53
  would
• 41:53
  like
• 41:53
  to
• 41:54
  help
• 41:54
  us
• 41:54
  to
• 41:55
  mainly
• 41:55
  to
• 41:56
  get
• 41:56
  this
• 41:56
  podcast
• 41:56
  out
• 41:57
  to
• 41:57
  more
• 41:57
  people
• 41:57
  because
• 41:58
  the
• 41:58
  bigger
• 41:58
  audience
• 41:58
  have
• 41:59
  which
• 41:59
  is
• 41:59
  steadily
• 41:59
  growing,
• 42:00
  but
• 42:00
  the
• 42:00
  more
• 42:00
  people
• 42:01
  we
• 42:01
  can
• 42:01
  reach
• 42:01
  and
• 42:01
  the
• 42:01
  more
• 42:02
  marketing
• 42:02
  we
• 42:02
  can
• 42:02
  do,
• 42:03
  the
• 42:03
  more
• 42:03
  positive
• 42:04
  effect
• 42:04
  we
• 42:04
  can
• 42:04
  have
• 42:04
  on
• 42:05
  the
• 42:05
  world.
• 42:05
  So
• 42:05
  we've
• 42:06
  done
• 42:06
  that
• 42:06
  a
• 42:06
  couple
• 42:06
  of
• 42:06
  ways,
• 42:07
  but
• 42:07
  we'd
• 42:07
  like
• 42:07
  you
• 42:07
  to
• 42:08
  buy
• 42:08
  us
• 42:08
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• 42:08
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• 42:08
  of
• 42:08
  coffee.
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  Very
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  simple.
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  And
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  I
• 42:10
  do
• 42:10
  that
• 42:10
  with
• 42:10
  podcasts
• 42:11
  that
• 42:12
  I
• 42:12
  support,
• 42:12
  and
• 42:13
  I
• 42:13
  find
• 42:13
  it's
• 42:14
  very
• 42:14
  satisfying.
• 42:15
  So
• 42:15
  thank
• 42:15
  you
• 42:15
  for
• 42:15
  your
• 42:15
  help,
• 42:16
  thank
• 42:16
  you
• 42:16
  for
• 42:16
  your
• 42:17
  presence,
• 42:17
  and
• 42:17
  thank
• 42:17
  you
• 42:18
  for
• 42:18
  all
• 42:18
  you
• 42:18
  are
• 42:19
  and
• 42:19
  all
• 42:19
  you
• 42:19
  do.
• 42:19
  We
• 42:20
  love
• 42:20
  you,
• 42:26
  Sam.