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Dustin Schoenhofer on the History of Walls of Jericho and their New Album · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: We will never stop We're relentless We will never give
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  Speaker 1: up We're relentless We will never give up We're relentless
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  Speaker 1: We will never stop We're relentless Now.
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  Speaker 2: Is the time.
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  Speaker 3: Today we've got Dustin from Walls of Jericho. Just very,
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  Speaker 3: very excited to chat with you, Dustin. You guys are legends,
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  Speaker 3: absolute legends. You've been around for quite some time now.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's got to be getting close to 30 years, right?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe not quite 30 years, but you guys are pushing
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  Speaker 3: 30 years now.
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  Speaker 2: Next year. 28 years this year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're getting close there. And then you've been in
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  Speaker 3: the band for, you just mentioned, like 23 years. So
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  Speaker 3: it's been a hot second. Again, obviously you guys are
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  Speaker 3: absolute legends in the metal scene. But yeah, I'd love to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're going to talk all things Walls of Jericho.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk about the new album. But before we dive
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  Speaker 3: into all of that, Dustin, how are you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty good. I'm a little jet lag.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've been up for entirely way too long today. I
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  Speaker 2: had to fly across the country to go do other
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  Speaker 2: things that I do. So I'm just like, well, and
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  Speaker 2: then I... we had that little misunderstanding. I didn't, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't read that. I was like, Oh, I can't, I
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  Speaker 2: can't do this on my phone. I have to like
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  Speaker 2: actually go on a laptop. I was like, shit.
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  Speaker 4: So, well, here you are.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, hopefully, hopefully we can hang and hopefully, hopefully, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I know be inject leg is not fun, but, uh, hopefully,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you can enjoy hanging out with us for
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  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: It should be fun.
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  Speaker 4: So cool.
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  Speaker 3: Well, uh, let's dive into just your history, your personal
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  Speaker 3: history with walls of Jericho. Again, obviously the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the band started in 98, uh, But you came a
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  Speaker 3: little later. I guess even before talking about how you
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  Speaker 3: started getting involved with Walls of Jericho, I'd love to
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  Speaker 3: just hear how you got involved in music to begin with.
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  Speaker 3: I would imagine you probably were playing bands, high school bands,
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  Speaker 3: that kind of thing for some time. But yeah, I'd
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  Speaker 3: love to just hear how you got involved with the band.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I got involved in music because my parents were musicians.
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  Speaker 2: So my parents were kind of like the not typical parents, right?
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  Speaker 2: So my dad is a drummer. My mom was the singer. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And this is like in the seventies.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So you could go play five, six days a week
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  Speaker 2: as a cover band and make a pretty good living. Well,
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  Speaker 2: my parents chose to do that. So that's what they did.
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  Speaker 2: They just hustled. You know, you could go, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: you'd go do like basically like a mini residency at
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  Speaker 2: all these different bars all over the place. And they
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  Speaker 2: played Detroit, Flint, Toledo, Fort Wayne, like kind of like
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  Speaker 2: that whole area where we're all from. So I was
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  Speaker 2: just always around music. And then, uh, It was kind
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  Speaker 2: of inevitable that I was going to end up becoming
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  Speaker 2: a drummer just because, like, my dad's a drummer. My uncle,
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  Speaker 2: his brother's a drummer. My oldest brother's a drummer. So
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  Speaker 2: I just sat there and watched them all forever.
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  Speaker 4: It runs in the family. It's genetic.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of runs in the family, yeah. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it's genetic.
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  Speaker 1: It's nature versus nurture, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's more just seeing the mechanicals of it. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if you've ever been around a drummer,
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  Speaker 2: we're constantly moving around. you know, you were constantly hitting
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  Speaker 2: something and doing shit. So I watched my dad, my
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  Speaker 2: uncle and my brother constantly, you know, play along to songs,
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  Speaker 2: air drumming and whatever it would be. And we talked
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  Speaker 2: about it a lot. So picking up on that was
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  Speaker 2: just easy.
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  Speaker 1: So I've always wondered in a, in a family where
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  Speaker 1: there's all these drummers, do you guys ever have a,
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  Speaker 1: like a drum, a drum battle or a drum off?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of what it was when I was
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  Speaker 2: a kid. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then now you're just like, you're like the most,
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  Speaker 1: you're the one with the most chops now though.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Oh yeah. I mean, I don't know. My dad
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  Speaker 2: came over to my house one time and I had, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I had my drum set, like my tour kit was
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  Speaker 2: like set up in a room. We were like rehearsing
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  Speaker 2: or writing or something. And I had a, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the drum set up there. It's all crazy. And he
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  Speaker 2: came over, he doesn't live where I live. He lives
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  Speaker 2: on the other side of the country and came over
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  Speaker 2: and I go, they're in the, they're in the room
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  Speaker 2: if you want to go play them. And he kind
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  Speaker 2: of got behind the kit and then I could hurt
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  Speaker 2: him kind of do a couple of things. And then,
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  Speaker 2: He got back off and he came in the other
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  Speaker 2: room and he goes, I can't even play anymore. I
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  Speaker 2: started laughing. I was like, I don't know what to
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  Speaker 2: tell you, dude. Practice makes perfect. But because of them,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and because everybody in my family, like you
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  Speaker 2: were talking earlier, like, I mean, it was a drum off.
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  Speaker 2: We would go over to my Uncle Frank's house and
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  Speaker 2: he had the drum set up in his garage, right?
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  Speaker 2: And it was a pretty rowdy neighborhood. There was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: neighbors partying, drinking. It was the 80s, right? So, like
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  Speaker 2: a band, like everybody would come over and play in
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  Speaker 2: like the garage. And then there would always be some
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  Speaker 2: sort of drum off of who could play, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whether it was like wipe out or whatever drum song,
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  Speaker 2: like whoever could play, it could end up staying on
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  Speaker 2: the drums the longest. You know what I mean? It
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  Speaker 2: was kind of like a show off.
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  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: What, what, what got you into like specifically kind of
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  Speaker 3: like heavier music for drumming, like, like metal kind of
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  Speaker 3: hardcore stuff.
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  Speaker 4: What, what got you into that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like I was at that perfect age
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  Speaker 2: where like, you know, like the British invasion. So like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, like the first
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  Speaker 2: concert that I ever saw on TV was Iron Maiden
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  Speaker 2: in like 1984. They had it on like Showtime or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. And I remember watching that and being like, whoa,
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  Speaker 2: that's really crazy. These guys are heavy. Like they got
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  Speaker 2: like crazy evil looking shit going on. I'm like, this
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  Speaker 2: is cool, right? Then like Motley Crue came out and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, these guys are kind of heavy. Then
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  Speaker 2: Metallica came out. And then when Master of Puppets came out,
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  Speaker 2: I remember just being like, what the fuck is a
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  Speaker 2: leper Messiah? You know what I mean? And like, this
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  Speaker 2: shit is heavy. And then once you got into Metallica,
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  Speaker 2: then the floodgates opened, it would be like Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, Testament,
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  Speaker 2: you know, all the, all the thrash shit came flooding in.
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  Speaker 2: So mixtapes, all that stuff was going on. And then
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  Speaker 2: like within the mixtape of everybody trading tapes and all
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff in the neighborhood, then it was like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: but have you heard of the misfits? You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? Have you heard of agnostic front? What about
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  Speaker 2: Black Flag? And then you'd get this tape, and you'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, I recorded over your Garage Days demo
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  Speaker 2: on your tape, and I put Legacy of Brutality on there.
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  Speaker 2: And you'd be like, all right, cool. You'd put it
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  Speaker 2: in and listen to it, and then you're like, this
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  Speaker 2: is sick. And then with drumming, so my older brother
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  Speaker 2: and I shared a room, and I remember when Seasons
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  Speaker 2: of the Abyss came out. I remember when Slayer Seasons
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  Speaker 2: of the Abyss came out, and I remember listening to
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  Speaker 2: the first song, which is War Ensembles. And I remember
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  Speaker 2: just going, how the fuck is this guy playing that? Like,
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  Speaker 2: that was the first thing. Like, if you sit around
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  Speaker 2: and watch people play drums your whole entire childhood, you're
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  Speaker 2: going mechanically, how the hell is he playing that? Because you, like,
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  Speaker 2: that was like, I mean, like, Metallica was fast, but
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  Speaker 2: they weren't war ensemble fast. Right.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't Wipeout, is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't Wipeout. This is like, this is beyond that. So,
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  Speaker 2: and then another record was, uh, anthrax state of euphoria
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  Speaker 2: that record came out right at the same time so
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  Speaker 2: like those two records came out where i was kind
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  Speaker 2: of like you know i was pumped for like metallica
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  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong but then when those two records
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  Speaker 2: came out it was like yo what the fuck are
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  Speaker 2: these drummers doing like benanti and you know what i
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  Speaker 2: mean and lombardo like come on and then it was
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  Speaker 2: just like a challenge you know what i mean that's
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  Speaker 2: really what it was like it was drumming like how
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  Speaker 2: do they play I gotta know how to play this
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  Speaker 2: like I gotta figure out how he does that beginning
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  Speaker 2: and finally like what the fuck is that you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean and that got me to everything else
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  Speaker 2: go ahead go ahead no I was just.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead yeah I was just so what's interesting is
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned like you know Misfits and some of the
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  Speaker 3: hardcore stuff and then obviously you mentioned like a number
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  Speaker 3: of like the metal bands that were coming out at
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  Speaker 3: that time you know Judas Priest Slayer obviously you mentioned
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  Speaker 3: Metallica a little bit at that time, I feel like
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  Speaker 3: you're kind of in that ripe age where like, at
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  Speaker 3: that time, there was a deep divide between the metal
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  Speaker 3: community and the hardcore community, especially once hardcore was becoming
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  Speaker 3: a thing in the 80s.
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  Speaker 2: Well, punk too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then punk, yeah, you got punk. So like,
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  Speaker 3: there was kind of a divide between all these different scenes.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm curious for you.
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  Speaker 3: Like, first off, like, did you experience it in that
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  Speaker 3: way that there was a divide? And if there, if
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  Speaker 3: you did experience it that way, what was that like
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  Speaker 3: for you as a drummer that was like into all
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  Speaker 3: of it? Like, it does kind of feel like they
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  Speaker 3: kind of, at that time especially, it kind of felt
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  Speaker 3: like you were forced to like commit to one or
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  Speaker 3: the other or like like one or the other. So
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  Speaker 3: I would imagine like it kind of felt like, well,
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  Speaker 3: what if I like all of it?
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  Speaker 2: So I lived in an area that like it was
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  Speaker 2: okay to like all of it because everybody was just like,
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  Speaker 2: everybody was young and hungry and everybody just wanted to like,
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  Speaker 2: everybody wanted what the fuck was happening. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? Whether it was like, whether it was thrash metal, punk,
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  Speaker 2: you know, death metal was coming around. I mean like, dude,
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  Speaker 2: like more of the first morbid angel record came out
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  Speaker 2: like what? 88 or 89. I mean like everybody was
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  Speaker 2: like deep diving into all that stuff. And then you
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  Speaker 2: got to also get to remember then every Saturday night
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  Speaker 2: at midnight, Ricky Rackman's on fucking MTV on headbangers ball
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  Speaker 2: playing like crowbar and playing all these crazy videos. And then,
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  Speaker 2: then you double dip because then a couple of years
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  Speaker 2: down the road, then Beavis and Butthead comes on and
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  Speaker 2: then they're playing all those videos. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: So it's, like, it was just constant, like, new music being,
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  Speaker 2: you're being exposed to it constantly. You know what I mean? And, like,
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  Speaker 2: a guy like me, I just want to hear all
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  Speaker 2: of it. I want to know what the hell's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what's going on with everything. And, like, all my friends
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  Speaker 2: were like that, too. Like, there were, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there were, like, the straight-up, like, burnout dudes that would be, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, leather jacket and long hair and they'd have, like,
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  Speaker 2: a sore or something on them or something on their neck.
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous i'm serious with like i got these chinese ninja
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  Speaker 2: stars in here dude you know what i mean they
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  Speaker 2: just took it way too serious you know there was
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  Speaker 2: like the the punk rockers were like more the skateboard
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  Speaker 2: dudes where i lived and i was a skateboard dude
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  Speaker 2: you know what i mean so like that's like and
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  Speaker 2: they were just cool so i didn't live in an
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  Speaker 2: area where it was divided up like that. Like everybody
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  Speaker 2: that was weird, like stuck, they, we all like hung
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  Speaker 2: out together. Right. You know what I mean? It was like,
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  Speaker 2: it was like all the misfit weirdo dudes like me
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  Speaker 2: that were against all the jocks.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's something about the Detroit area in
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  Speaker 1: particular that does not get enough credit in terms of
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  Speaker 1: like it's music. acceptance and music kind of tapestry, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like there's like, there's so much stuff that came out
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  Speaker 1: of the Detroit area that does not get enough.
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  Speaker 2: It never gets enough attention. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. I'm just, I'm flabbergasted that it doesn't get attention.
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  Speaker 2: And then, I mean like, I mean all the New
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  Speaker 2: York hardcore bands that like back in the day, everybody
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  Speaker 2: like Roger Merritt, everybody says there's no hardcore without negative approach.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I, I gotta agree. you know, we just played
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  Speaker 2: with them in time.
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  Speaker 1: There's even the band, the band death. That was like
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  Speaker 1: the first, the first punk band.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That started in Detroit as well. And they were assigned
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  Speaker 1: to a Motown records label and everything like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Iggy pop and all that stuff too.
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  Speaker 1: It's good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, MC five is, I'm concerned like they're,
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  Speaker 2: they're like.
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  Speaker 1: The godfathers of punk.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, real deal gnarly dudes too. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like Wayne went to fucking prison for
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  Speaker 2: selling cocaine. Like he was crazy as hell.
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  Speaker 3: So I know, I know you weren't like at the
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  Speaker 3: very beginning of walls of Jericho and maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe we're jumping ahead of ourselves here, but I think
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  Speaker 3: like when I think of like walls of Jericho, I
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  Speaker 3: think of them as like some of the earliest like
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  Speaker 3: metal core. And so obviously we've been talking about how
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  Speaker 3: like you were into the hardcore, you were into the metal,
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  Speaker 3: you were in the punk, you were into all of
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  Speaker 3: those sorts of things.
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  Speaker 4: At the same time. And so I would imagine your.
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  Speaker 3: Your drumming gets influenced by that. I'm curious, like with
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  Speaker 3: that sort of convergence of metal and hardcore into this
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  Speaker 3: thing that we eventually now know as metalcore, I'm curious
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  Speaker 3: for you, like, did you have a sense that that
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  Speaker 3: like was becoming more and more common where you had
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  Speaker 3: like a bunch of kids that were maybe like you
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  Speaker 3: were like, you just liked all of it. And now
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  Speaker 3: we're creating their own music that kind of was a
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  Speaker 3: a convergence or a blend of all the best things
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  Speaker 3: that we loved about metal and all the best things
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  Speaker 3: that we love about hardcore. Did you have a sense
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  Speaker 3: that that was like happening? And you can see it,
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  Speaker 3: you can see it happening literally.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, every band that was coming out, like starting
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  Speaker 2: in the mid nineties, like everybody was trying to cross
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  Speaker 2: over everything because there were bands that were just called
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  Speaker 2: crossover bands. You know what I mean? Like, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and New York had crossover bands, uh, So it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they're crossover or whatever it was. We're like, we were
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  Speaker 2: like when, so the band before Walls of Jericho was
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  Speaker 2: a band called Earthmover, right? So that's how I know them.
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  Speaker 2: Like we, the guitar player of Earthmover is Mike Hasty,
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  Speaker 2: who started Walls of Jericho with Aaron and Wes, the
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  Speaker 2: original drummer and Candice, right? So that's how I know
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  Speaker 2: those guys to answer that part of the question. And
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  Speaker 2: because in my first band, we went on tour with
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  Speaker 2: Earthmover and then the other guitar player put out our
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  Speaker 2: record because like Earthmover was like a full DIY band.
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  Speaker 2: Like Hasty had the recording studio in the house and
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  Speaker 2: then Andy had the record label, right? And they got
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  Speaker 2: distribution and they did it all and it was all
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  Speaker 2: super DIY. So I was actually at Walls of Jericho's
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  Speaker 2: first show ever because it was Earthmover's last show. So
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  Speaker 2: I got into like hardcore and then we met everybody
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  Speaker 2: in Detroit because I'm from south of Detroit. So when
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  Speaker 2: we met everybody like Hasty and all the Earthmover guys,
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  Speaker 2: which was the band before Walls of Jericho, that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of what got me in their lane. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 2: been friends with them forever. I said it earlier. I
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  Speaker 2: was at Walls of Jericho's very first show because it
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  Speaker 2: was Earthmover's last show. But yeah, I mean, that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of how I came into the fold.
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  Speaker 1: How did you stay in connection with all those guys
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  Speaker 1: then from 98 to 2004 or whatever when you came in?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we started hanging out together in like 95. I
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  Speaker 2: was still in high school. And then when I graduated
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  Speaker 2: from high school that summer, my band and earth mover,
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  Speaker 2: the band that was before walls of Jericho went on tour. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And then we just, we just ran the same circles. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're not far from each other. We're like
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  Speaker 2: a 35 minute drive from each other. So we're always
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  Speaker 2: going to Detroit shows. You know, we had shows at
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  Speaker 2: where I live and then we all just kind of
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  Speaker 2: like intermingled and kind of like, you know, put everything together.
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  Speaker 2: And then walls of Jericho started doing stuff. And at
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  Speaker 2: that time, you could see the transition happening. Like Earthmover happened,
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  Speaker 2: which was more like hardcore, but they had like kind
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: of more Slayer-ish kind of parts at times. And then
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: there were other bands that were coming out. There was
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: like Disembodied that was coming out that time and Harvest
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: that was coming out that time and Race Trader that
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: was coming out that time and Burn It Down that
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: was coming out that time. And like, those are all
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: very unique bands for like the mid to late 90s
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: because they kind of, they kind of created the foundation
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: that allowed other bands to come in and take it
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: even more like crossover metal hardcore, right? And then people
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: started taking from like other, you know, metal bands to
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: create now what you have, which is metalcore. So, but
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: it was crazy to watch. I mean, like it was,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: every band was getting signed. I mean, everybody was getting signed.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: It was either Victory Records, Trustkill Records, Ferret Records. you know,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: all those labels, Undecided Records, John from Morning Again, he
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: had his record label. So, I mean, it was like
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: everybody was just kind of snatching bands up and putting
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: things out and really creating a scene. And you could
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: see the bands were changing. And so, like, I mean, like,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: in the early 2000s, then, like, the Deathcore stuff really
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: started happening.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Because a lot of those DIY labels were, like, signing, like,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: death metal bands but they were like hardcore kids playing
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: death metal playing like traditional death metal you know.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: You you may be kind of alluding to this obviously
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: uh you you were connected to a lot of the
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: waltz of jericho people even before they technically were a
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: band but it was still a few years until after
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: they started that you then eventually got involved so i'm
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: guessing it was something where i would imagine like you
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: were still playing maybe in some of your own bands
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: and then eventually, you know, new.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Stage of life.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: And then they reach out and ask you, is that
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: kind of the story that, that like, like, is that
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: the story around you joining?
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Sort of. It was, uh, so Wes was in the band.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: He was the original drummer. Him and I are still
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: pretty tight. Um, we talk all the time and, uh,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: he wanted to go to college. So he's like, I'm
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: going to college. I mean, you gotta remember Candace was
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: like 17 years old when she joined the band. Like
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: these guys were young. So we were young. I was
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: a kid. So he joined, he went to college, uh,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: down in Florida. And then he joined that band. It's
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: called Until the End. They're a straight edge band. And
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: then they kind of went on, they asked me then
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: if I was interested, but I had just formed this
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: band called Premonitions of War. And we were kind of
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: like one of the first like death core kind of bands.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: So we were kind of doing our own thing away
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: from what we had done before. So we were really
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: trying to concentrate on that. And then they got Derek
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Grant for a little while. And then we played a
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: show together at Mr. Muggs in Ypsilanti, Michigan. And Walls
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: of Jericho played, Premonitions of War played, probably the Black
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Dahlia Murders, like, third show, maybe fourth show. Wow. And
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: they opened, and then there's a couple other bands on it,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Michigan bands. And then we're standing outside, and Derek walked
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: up to Mike Hastie, and he goes, hey, I've got
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: to talk to you. Mike's like, you can talk to
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: all of us. You know, we all know Derek. And
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: he goes, hey, man, the Alkaline Trio just called me.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: And they want me to play in the band, and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and do that. And we
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: were like, I was like, oh, man, congratulations. You're in
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the fucking Outline Trio, you know what I mean? And
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: then Mike looked at me, and he goes, well? And
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm busy. So they kind of went
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: on this little bit of a hiatus, I think for
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: like eight or nine months. And then our friend Alexi
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Rodriguez came along. He was in a band called Catharsis.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: And Catharsis was more like of the super-duper political side
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: of things. I knew them because I played in a
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: band called Blood Pact with Andy from Earthmover, the other
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: guitar player. And we did a lot of shit with Catharsis.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So they got Alexi, and Alexi's literally one of the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: nicest people in the world. And he's one of the
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: best drummers I've ever seen in my life. He's incredible.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, they didn't gel. They did All
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Hail the Dead with them, and it just didn't work out.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: So premonitions of war signed to victory records we went
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: on tour with like morgan angel suffocation all these like
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: death metal bands six feet under macabre like you name
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: it we were out on all these crazy weird death
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: metal bands we're hardcore kids you know what i mean
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: so we're like okay it's weird but some tension started
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: happening in the band and i just kind of quit
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: so in the middle of the tour and i went
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: out with the guys in barrier dead because we had
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: all had been friends so it's the original line of
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: a barrier dad this is like 2004 And uh we're
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: at denny's and their tour manager but yeah always duh
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and we're at we're at denny's we're sitting there and
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: they're like what are you gonna do now and i'm
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: like i'm gonna fly home tomorrow and i'm gonna be
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: home in time for thanksgiving and i'll figure it out
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: their tour manager goes i know a band that's looking
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: for a drummer and i was like who's that and
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: he said walls of jericho and i was like well
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: i know those guys really really well and he's like
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: you should call them So I literally flew home. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: got a hold of Mike Hasty. I said, hey, when
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: you get a chance, give me a call. And they
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: were over in Europe with Sick of It All on
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: their first persistence tour. It was called Resistance Tour then.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: They got home. He got a hold of me. And
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: he's like, what's up? And I'm like, I quit Prime
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Minister of War. And I heard you're looking to get
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: rid of Alexei. What's going on? And he goes, yep,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: that's exactly what we're trying to do.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: You in?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I said, yep. He's like, cool. Meet me at Longhorn
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Steakhouse or whatever.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: He's like meet at this Longhorn Steakhouse up on whatever
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: in Redford near the Redford these rehearsal rooms and I'm
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: like alright I'll be there and like they all showed
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: up and they're like this is what it is and
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: this is what we expect of you and I was
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: like cool and they were like cool you're in the
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: band now and when are you going to start rehearsing
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: because we have a headlining tour with Walls of Jericho
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: headlining Bury Your Dead Full Blown Chaos and Premonitions of
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: War was opening damn holy.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Buckets Yeah, so it's like you're just thrown into the
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: throes of it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: There's no leading up to it.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: No, I had like six weeks to get it together.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I mean, I already knew
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: their first record. I knew Bound Feed the Gag pretty
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: much by heart because I was there when they wrote it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And Wes, their drummer, and I are super tight. So
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: it was like I knew all his shit. You know
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: what I mean? But all hell to dead, I'm not
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: going to lie. Lexi does some really crazy... like shit
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: on that album. Right. Right.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: So, but yeah, I, I mean, so that album comes
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: out and then a couple of years later, you guys
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: released your first album with the band, uh, with, uh,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: with devils among us, among us all. Uh, it, it,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: my sense, I'm curious what your thought on this, my
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: sense with walls of Jericho is this is kind of the,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: the most important album in the band's history, uh, And
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I would imagine like you all probably love different albums
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: for different reasons. You know, it's probably like picking your
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: favorite child type of thing. But like it does feel
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: like with Devils that it might be the most important
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: album in terms of just the, you know, like that's
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the album that, you know, if anybody's heard of you all,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: like more than likely that's the one that they think of.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I'm curious what your thoughts are on that. But yeah,
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I'm curious, like, yeah, what were your reflections on it?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: When I came into the fold, it was like, okay, well,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: we're going to do another album. And, uh, basically the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: discussion was like, well, if we're going to do another album,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: we need to like, we need to find a producer.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Like we need to work with somebody that understands this
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: band and where we're at in this time. Cause you
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: got to remember like, you know, oh four was like
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the first year of Ozzfest were like hardcore bands or
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: like bands from that scene were playing second stage on Ozzfest.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And then we went and saw Black Dahlia Murder play
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: second stage on Ozzfest in 05. So we were like,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and we were hanging out with them and like, we
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: hung out, like Jada Pinkett Smith was on that tour,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: which was totally crazy. Will Smith was there as well.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: And then a barrier dad was there. So like, we're
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: watching our friends, right? These are our peers. These are
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: people that we've done tons of touring with now for
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: like the last, you know, seven or eight years, honestly. And,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: we're watching them and they're going, you guys got to
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: do this stuff. So it was literally like the focal
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: point was, we got to find somebody that's going to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: cut a record for us. That's going to really make
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: it sound current. It's going to make it sound like
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: how it's supposed to be. Like we see these moves,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: these moves that all these bands are making. And it's like,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: we want to be there too, because we feel like
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: we're just as good. So that was like the focal
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: point of that album was to like, go, okay, we
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: need to elevate ourselves to like, we had a saying like,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: When we were in the rehearsal room where it was like,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you're either coming with main stage riffs or we're not
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: choosing them. Because at that time, I'd already been over
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to Europe with them by the time we started writing
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: with Devils. And they had been there like three times
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: at that point. So we had played those festivals. So
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: when you play those festivals and you see all that shit,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: you're like, dude, I want to be on the main stage.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: So we came up with main stage riffs. And that was,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: like I said, that was the focal point. And that's
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: just kind of how we approached that album.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: So what is a main stage riff versus a second
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: stage riff, in your opinion?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: So a main stage riff is like the first riff
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: in A Trigger Full of Promises, right?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: A second stage riff is the first riff in... What
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the fuck is that song that we have? I hate it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Off that same album, And Hope to Die.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And hope to die. All right.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Like, there's just a difference. Like, when you hear the
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: riff for, you know, for Triggerful of Promises, which is like,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like Metallica, right? Like, you're just like,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: it's epic. You know what I mean? And then the
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: other riff is, you know what I mean? It's like,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that's a second stage riff, guys. It's a cool song.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. But, like, a Triggerful of Promises
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: stands out because that's a main stage riff. Like, you
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: hear that song when we break into that song and
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: we play in front of those huge audiences over in Europe.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: People go fucking crazy.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Everywhere people fucking lose their minds right so that's like
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: we need those.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Riffs i'm so glad that you said that because i
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: feel like in like the hardcore world that's like their
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: biggest problem right like every hardcore band has like 350
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: second stage riffs and then like they might have like
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: one section of one song that has a a main
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: stage riff and people go crazy.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: For it truth And it's not because of their ability.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: It's because it depends on the band and how they
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: play it. You know what I mean? Take a band
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: like Madball. Madball's got main stage riffs, right?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: But they also have second stage riffs too, but they
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: make the way that they play the riff and the
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: way that they incorporate it with the lyrical content it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: all main stage. They're good at really dumbing it down,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: but they put the flavor in there, and then you're like, yo,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: that hits so hard. You're like, that's fucking sick. That
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: riff is so easy, you know what I mean? But
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: everything about this is just fucking heavy shit in the world.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: How do you all think, especially in Walls of Jericho,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: how do you all think of the balance of creating
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: what you describe as main stage music but like balance
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: that with like continuing the cred of the second stage.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Because that's like, that's a tricky balance. The second stage.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Cred is how you, the second stage cred is just,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: we choose the second stage. You know what I mean?
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: We've done the main stage stuff, especially during, like during
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the Devils, with Devil's Cycle all the way through the
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: American Dream. That's when we were like kind of, you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: doing the MTV thing and, you know, all that whole thing.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: We played those main stages, and I like the second
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: stages more. Because at the end of the day, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: we're not doing this because we're not trying to be huge,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: we're just doing it because we like the interaction with
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the audience. Like, we feed off the audience. We've been
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: doing this for 28 years. You know what I mean?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: A Trigger Full of Promises has a main stage riff
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: in it and everything, and that's cool, but I've played
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: that song like, probably 13,000 times. So, you know, I
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: like the intimacy and the, and when you're in a
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: tent full like 10,000 people and they're absolutely losing their
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: fucking minds, it's way cooler than, you know, we've done
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: a hundred thousand people main stage walk in and yeah,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: they were losing their minds, but it's just a weird disconnect.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: There's just a weird disconnect.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Totally get that.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, especially I'm all the way in the back.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'm like, Hey, You know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and it's just like when you're on the second stage
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and you just, the audience is right there. It's just better.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I like it more. Yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I agree fully. And I think Mason and I would
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: agree together because I think our favorite show that we've
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: ever seen together was like, what is it? A 200
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: cap room Mason at most.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, a chariot. Yeah, for sure.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It was the most intimate thing.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Shit. Yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And it was on their farewell tour.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: It was absolutely insane.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Insane.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: So I totally get what you mean there.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: And I would imagine, like, you know, you're seeing, like,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: some massive metalcore bands, you know, popping up right now. And,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: you know, like, I just saw Knocked Loose a couple
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: weeks ago. And, you know, Knocked Loose is one of
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: those bands where they're still probably playing, like, Thousand Cap Rooms,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: where they get a little bit more of that intimacy
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: that you're describing. But they're also playing, like, Coachella now,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: where there is, like, a massive barrier between the crowd.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: And I, like, I wonder for them, like, if they're
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: experiencing that same sort of disconnect of, like, you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: we've still loved that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Cause those guys come from the hardcore world. Like those
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: guys are hard.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're straight hardcore kids. Yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Right. So like they, there's no doubt in my mind
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: that they don't, that they're not longing for that hardcore
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: feel of like, there's not a barrier between the crowd
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: and them, but like, they're just getting so big where
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: sometimes they just can't help, but play some of these
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: big shows where like, there is going to be a
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: massive barrier and therefore potentially that disconnect that you're describing.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: It's, it's a, you know, it's what not loose is
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: doing is, is they're breaking down barriers right now. For sure.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: They're opening up doors more than anybody, you know, but
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: you know, everybody that's come before them, help them get
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: along the way. And those kids are definitely, I say
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: kids because I'm old, but those guys are, you know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: they definitely have not forgotten their roots whatsoever.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: A hundred percent.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: They definitely bring bands out like they're, you know, them
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: in turnstile. I mean, hardcore is, is in metal core.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I don't like the word metalcore, by the way. I'm
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: just going to say that. It's a weird term. But hardcore,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: they're hardcore kids. Turnstile are hardcore kids. They are doing
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: things with that presence that they have and the amount
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of people they have. They're doing such good things with it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: They're doing benefit shows and they're making people aware of
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: what's going on in the world. A band like Knock
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Loose are taking out smaller, actual hardcore bands. on the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: road with them like terror did for them and many
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: other bands right for them right before they got to
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: their point you know so it's just it's great to
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: see it right now all around you know i would
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: much rather have bands like that that understand all of
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: this and that you know instead of like bands that
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: you know come from our world and then all of
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: a sudden they're on mtv and they think they're like
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: guns and roses or some shit right right.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's what's cool about, yeah, bands like
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Knocked Loose is, like, and I think Walls of Jericho
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: is like this, too, where it's, like, you know, Knocked
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Loose has gotten to a level where, you know, they could,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: you know, if there was MTV still going on, like,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: they could be in that vein, but, like, and they,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: you know, could potentially even have, like, a music video
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: on that, but the thing is, is, like, they've actually
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: gone into this opposite route where, like, they're getting less poppy.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: but like they're collaborating with like really cool artists in
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: different types of genres.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: But they're like, they're just as heavy as they were
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: back in the day. You know, like when they were
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: like unknown hardcore, like they're, they might be even heavier now.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: And like, that's, what's cool about bands like knock loose. And,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: you know, obviously turnstiles kind of got this like interesting
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: dynamic where like some of their stuff is like much softer,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: but some of their stuff is just as heavy as
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: they were back in the day too.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: So, um, yeah, like I love when it's.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Like, Turstile is like early nineties, East coast hardcore. That's
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: what the shit sounded like.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: A hundred percent.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And you can tell that they really love quicksand. Yes.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Cause like, listen to those later bad brains records, dude.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And like, you know, that's there. Yeah.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like, it's like clear as day.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Like these are like, I mean, those guys are from Baltimore.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Like this is an East coast hardcore band, like through
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: and through. And, And, again, like, they clearly have the cred. Like,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: you know, Brendan from Turnstile, like, he's still in Trapped
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Under Ice. Like, I mean, like, which is hardcore as
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: it gets. And, like, you know, then there's Angel Dust, which,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: you know, those guys.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Are associated with.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: So, like, you know, they're just as, like, you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: connected to the scene, which is really cool.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, yeah. I'd love to... Let's talk about the new.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead, Colin.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: You know, something that I've always been curious about, especially
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: from someone who's not Candice in the band, I've always...
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: been really impressed that Walls of Jericho and Candice in
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: particular have kind of done like the whole like female
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: fronted band thing and never made it like the main
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: thing that anyone's ever going to talk about. And I'm
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: curious from your perspective as the drummer, and I know
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: that you came in in 2004 and stuff like that,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: but you were kind of there at the beginning of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: this whole thing.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: How do you think that she has done this so gracefully?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: And so like, it's not about me, it's about the music,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: it's about the band, so on and so forth.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: That was kind of, you know, that was kind of
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: what was basically set up from day one when she
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: became the singer of walls of Jericho, which was okay.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Cause there were many people trying out for that position.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: And she came in like a senior in high school.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: She was in this band called a path of me.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: She was fucking crazy. I mean, like, I've known Candice
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: since she was, like, 16 years old. I mean, she
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: was fucking nuts. She's just this little pile of, like,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you know, oversized jeans and a hoodie, and she would
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: fuck you up. And when she got into Path, it
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: was like a two-singer kind of band. It was like, yo,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Candice is fucking crazy. Like, but it was awesome, you
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? So when she got the Walls
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: of Jericho, where they're like, oh, Candice is the singer,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: it was said that. It was like, okay, like, we're
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: now going to be one of two like female fronted
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: hardcore bands. The other one being crisis. Right. And we're
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: not going to make it into that. It's, this isn't
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: a gimmick. Like she got this, she got this job
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and got this because she's fucking awesome. You know what
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I mean? And that's how we've always treated her like that. We've,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, Candace has always been treated as a sister
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: to us. You know what I mean? She's one of
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: our peers. We look up to her in a lot
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: of ways and, and she's always just been treated like that.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I feel like if we were to, at any point,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: try to, like, put her in the front as, like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: some sort of, like, female thing, I think that that
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: would be so disrespectful to, like, the person that she is,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you know? And she would never go for it. She'd
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: punch you in the face, you know what I mean?
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: And tell you to shut the fuck up or whatever.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: No, she wouldn't.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: You know? But that was a struggle, though, too. Like, we,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: throughout all these years... record labels and agents and whoever
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: would try to talk to us and be like, well,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: why don't we do this? And the With Devils album
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: was probably the peak of the most we ever tried
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: to do anything like that. You know what I mean?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: To be like, yes, we have a woman as our
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: singer and we just kind of stopped doing it because
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: it was like, man, this is uncomfortable. There's a million
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: weirdos and people saying shit and it just isn't it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: You know, she's just not that person. So, right. Yeah.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I'm sure like, I'm sure she has inspired many women
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: to be in hardcore, but like, that's not the, what
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I do love about walls is like, they're like what
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: you guys are doing is like, it's never like, it's
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: never been the focal point. You're never trying to tokenize
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: her as this like female fronted, you know, a hardcore band. Like,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: but like at the end of the day, like she
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: also probably has influenced a lot of inspired a lot
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: of women. And at the same time, it's like not
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: the point of the band.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. We just, we, this is just the way
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: we live with it. You know, it's like, this is
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: what we do. This is who we are, you know?
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: She's done a really good job.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I respect that. Hell yeah.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about the new album. So it's going to
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: be coming out from the time of this recording in
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: basically exactly a month. It's called System Error Humanity.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Great, great name.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd love to just hear, like, you know, obviously,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: you know, this is not your guys' first album. You've
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: got a number of albums under your belt now.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: What do you feel like is, like, new about this album? Like,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: maybe it's a lyrical thing. Maybe there's, like, sound stuff
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: that you guys are exploring that's new.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: But, like, what's new?
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: What are, like, you know, the average, or not even
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: the average, but, like, the diehard Walls of Jericho fans
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: going to find in this album that might be new
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: in comparison to other albums?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: It doesn't, well, we have new guitar players. Some of
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: our old guitar players also contributed. The newest thing and
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: most exciting thing on this album is the fact that
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: all of us contributed. Like, all of us came in
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: with songs and we all worked on them together. As
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: far as sonically sounding, you know, Kurt Ballou from Converge.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Absolute legend.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: He was a bucket list, I'm telling you right now.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: He will never, ever, ever admit it. Like, I've told
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: him not a thousand times I'm not trying to be
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: a punisher, but like, When Candice brought him up, like,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: we should go to Kurt because she lives out there.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: And I was like, you're talking about God City, right?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: She's like, yeah. And I'm like, fuck, yeah. And the
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: rest of my band, they don't listen to the stuff
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: that he records. I do. You know what I mean?
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: So I started wrecking off all these bands that they
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: don't listen to. But I'm like, listen to the fucking albums, dude. Like,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: his albums are crushing. They have been since he recorded
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Cave In Until Your Heart Stops, like, in his apartment
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: or some shit. I mean, like, unbelievable. So I think
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: this is probably... This is, in my opinion, since I've
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: recorded on most of the albums in this band, I
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: feel I can say this is the best sounding album,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: straight up.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Nice. That was exactly what I was going to say
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: as praise. I think this is by far the best
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: sounding record.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: It's the best sounding album we've ever put out.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's incredible.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: And it just really captures, like, we never could capture
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: what this band's energy is on stage on an album.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: you know, and that's why albums have never really been
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: much of a priority for us. Cause it's like, come
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: see us live and then you can buy what we recorded.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: But like, you know, like even those, those Ben Shiegel
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: albums that we did the last three of them, I mean,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Ben's a great producer. He's done all those Chimera records.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: He's done a bunch of great records, but this album
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: was like, holy fucking shit. Like I put it on, Now,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: as soon as it starts, I'm like, fucking hell, dude.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: This is about to be crazy. Like, when I got mixes, like,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I had, like, emotional points. Like, I'm in my car, and, like,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: when I first heard the all-girl gang vocals on The Flame, like,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I got, like, emotional how good it sounded. I was like,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: holy fucking shit. Like, I can't... I'm, like, driving my car.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't believe how good this sounds. This
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: is unbelievable. So... I think between the combination of the
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: new blood coming in and then Kurt being behind the
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: mixing board and everything, this whole album is just completely different.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: It's by far the most tight sounding and I don't
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: know if that was like because you guys were kind
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: of working on it all together and everything like that
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: or what but yeah it sounds incredibly tight and it's
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: very evident it's in your face right away I.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Think it was a combination of a few things it
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: was you know like I said before, everybody was contributing. Um,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: and even like people that aren't playing in the band
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: all the time, like Chris from stick to your guns,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: who's an original, he's basically the original second guitar player. Right.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So he's been in the band since 1998 and then
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: started doing stick to your guns like 15 years ago
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: or whatever. So that's his main focus. So he played
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: tied down with us this year, which was really cool,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: but you know, he doesn't get to play with us much,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: but he contributed some songs and then, uh, I played
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: in barrier dead for a few years. So I drug
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Chris Towning, my buddy, Chris that plays in barrier dead.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I made him play second guitar with, uh, for us
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: for a while because you know, Chris Rawson, there's a
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: lot of Chris's here. I'm sorry. Uh, Rawson was doing Stig. So,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: and Towning wasn't doing shit. And you know, he's like, well,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go do barrier dead. And I was like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I will go do buried dead with you. So we
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: went and go did that. And I was like, well,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go do Wells and Jericho. Why don't you
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: come with me? So then he ended up playing with us.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: And then Bobby was, uh, like another replacement for Rawson,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: but then Mike, our original guy, he just retired. So
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: he's selling houses down in Florida, wearing like cool guy,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: like Florida Prince.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Shoes, which I was not gonna lie. He's not Vice City.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: He's not Vice City. So I'm like, you know, he's
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: older than us and I get it. Like music, you know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: we weren't doing this full time anymore.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: So with the new blood and everybody contributing and the
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: way that we all... came together in the studio together
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: like i mean everybody was in the room when i
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: was tracking drums and everybody was like i'd have a
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: stopping point and i'd be like i don't know what
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: to fucking do here and they'd be like we'll do
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: this and then we'd do all these things you know
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: everybody's on the other side of the wall and that
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: turned into a whole hilarious thing but everybody worked really
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: well together and the material that we had to work
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: with was also really strong.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: That's great that's great.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the fact that it's been basically 10
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: years since the last album.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: And yeah, it sounds like some.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Of the best Walls of Jericho that I've ever heard.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: And so I'm just so stoked for this whole album cycle.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I know the whole album hasn't been fully out yet,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: but my goodness, is it sounding good so far.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: So yeah, big, big fan.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: And check out the videos.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, those are sick too.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: There's some meaning behind those videos right now. Love it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: We had to go down to Texas to do it all,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: like on the border and everything and do all that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: All right, well, Dustin, let's get to your top five
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: most influential albums. So what are the albums that have
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: shaped you as a person, as a musician?
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what are some of those albums?
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: It sounds like you already mentioned a number of bands,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: but I'm curious what specific albums.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I could go on forever, dude. Trust me,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: it goes way deep. We haven't even talked about Toto yet,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: and I could talk about all their albums. Like all
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: of them. Like, yeah, but we start with like, I
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: would say number five would probably be like Led Zeppelin,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Physical Graffiti.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, Physical Graffiti is not what I was expecting.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Physical Graffiti is the double M, right? And like, dude,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: so much awesome shit on those albums. I grew up
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: every night at nine o'clock. The local radio, the rock
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: radio station would have what's called Get the Led Out.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: So every night at 9 o'clock, my brother and I
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: had to go to bed. So we listened to the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: four-song block from Led Zeppelin every weeknight, Monday through Friday,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: for I can't count how many years, probably 10 years
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: of my life. So Led Zeppelin's huge, you know, obviously
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: being in a house.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Full of drummers.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: You know, Bonham.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Just triplets and everything, right?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: And within that, too, then, like, moving on to number four,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I would say the Who... I would say Quadrophenia.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: No, it's Quadrophenia.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Quadrophenia is sick. Don't get me wrong.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Like commercially, it was super successful. But if you listen
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: to Tommy, Tommy's got wild shit going on too. But
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with Quadrophenia.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Quadrophenia is my favorite record of all time. That's the shit.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. The Who in my household was like on 24-7.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Again, that was a super influential.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Another, another drumming band for sure. I mean, yeah. Front
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and center.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: So those, those two, those two were it, you know?
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: And then as I got older, I would say, I
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: would say Motley Crue, shout out the devil.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I would say that Tommy, Tommy Lee, and this is
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: just influence, right? Like Tommy Lee is probably the most
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: underrated drummer in the big picture of drumming world, right?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Like everybody, you know, we have all these, crazy fucking
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: drummers that are out there right now between like rooks
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and tosh the drummer and like all these guys they're
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: all fucking phenomenal right but dude none of them would
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: be doing what they're doing if it wasn't for tommy
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: yeah like that guy was such an innovator that whole
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: album is the shit like when he starts off side
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: b when he starts off bastard it's like you know
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: what i mean like nobody was doing that shit in 1984.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: So question for you, if you could be in like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: one of those gyroscope kind of things and you could
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: be turned upside down and you're doing drums in like
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: a ball that's turning in 360 degrees, would you do it?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I would. Why wouldn't I?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: That'd be so cool.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what you're there to do, right? Like
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: if your band has made it to the level, if
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I'm playing in a band that has made it to
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: that level where I got to go get put in
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the rig with the strap on and all that shit
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: like Joey used to, yeah.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I think Walls of Jericho has some project to figure
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: out here.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I'll call Slipknot and see if A and B use
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that in the 2027 fucking world tour. I'm going to
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: call Corey up. Dude, what's up? I know you're doing
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Slipknot right now, but are you guys using A and
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: B rig? We're doing five shows in Europe. There's nobody
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: using it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I've seen that thing. We toured with them when they
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: used that shit. It was fucking crazy, dude. It's like
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: a fucking full-on pilot seat.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Did you get it tested out?
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: No, because the seat was fit to jump. Oh, wow. Okay.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: And they had an A-rig, and then they had a B-rig. Dang.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: It was dude. That's awesome.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: It's probably up in storage somewhere.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Trust me. Yeah. It is.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: So I think that's three albums, right?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So now we're number three. We're going to get
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: weird here. All the British stuff was great. But drumming-wise,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: when Helmet came out, the full-length, but the first full-length
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: came out with Unsung and all that shit, that record
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: made me want to start playing the drums for real.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Always around drums and could play drums, but when that
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: album came out, it's like you know and like and
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: john strainer has like that super snappy like super cranked
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: up fucking imperial star.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: So good that's one of the best snare sounds ever
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: right i think that band in general just does tone
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: better than any other band guitar tones drum tones doesn't
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: matter what you're talking about.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: All the way through all the way all the way
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: through all the way through to that last album they
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: did like it's just fucking crushes And Strainer's still out playing.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: He does Tomahawk and all that stuff. So he's fucking
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: hot right now.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Great pick.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: All right. I think you got one more. I got
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: two more. We're on number two. Oh, okay. That was three.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: So it went. It went. It went.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Zeppelin, The Who.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Zeppelin, Who.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Motley Crue.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Motley Crue.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Helmet. Motley Crue. Helmet. And then number one. I would
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: say my number one, like this is like most influential
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: records of all time, right? It would be the first
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Mars Voltifolio.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great thing.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Of course. Wow. That record, like I've heard stories about
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: like ACDC, like when ACDC came out, I've heard stories
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: about like people fucking in the sex pistols, like people
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: got and they heard it and they started pulling their
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: hair out and they started being crazy, right? When I heard,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I bought that record at a distro at the Syracuse Hellfest, right?
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Like the old school one, like the 2000 or whatever
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: it was, right? Commissions of War played. I found that record.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh shit, the new fucking Mars Volt is out.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Pulled that bitch out, put it in my Walkman, and
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: we drove nine hours back home, and I listened to
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: that record for nine hours straight.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I feel bad for your battery budget.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is going on? Dude, I didn't even care.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is fucking nuts. To this day,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: that album, I will listen to it. And the shit
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: that John Theodore did on that album, I'm just like,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: you've got to be fucking kidding me. This album is
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: like 25 years old, 26 years old.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: It still sounds fresh.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: It still sounds so fresh today.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Dude, unbelievable. And there's still kids, like drum kids on
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the internet that are like, dude, he did this fucking
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: thing on this song. It's just, it's time. It's so good.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: That's one of those bands that, because I'm a huge
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: At The Drive-In fan. It's rarely do you get a
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: band where like, you know, they did the thing, they
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: were pretty successful and then they leave, like they, you know,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: quit the band or whatever and then start a new
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: project and the new project even gets more successful. Like
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: that's not a very common thing that that happens in,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: especially in the alternative music world. but that did happen
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: for malls of volta because they definitely got way bigger
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: than at the drive it never was.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I just saw them last year opening up for the
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: deftones and it was fucking ridiculous how good it is
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: They're just that good of a band.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Well, dude, that is a, that's a great list.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: And honestly, you can hear quite a bit of that
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: in your drumming, especially, uh, but just even a little
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: bit in walls of, uh, walls of Jericho.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: Like that's such a good list.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Huge. I try to get weird.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: That's a, that's a, that's a great list. So cool. Uh,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: what do you want to plug? So obviously new album
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: comes out in a month.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: Where can people find it? Uh, where can people buy it? Uh,
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: what shows can they go see? Yeah.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: What do you want to plug? So, uh, November we're
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: going to Europe and we're going to be playing in Germany, uh,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: We're playing in France, and we're playing in the UK.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: So that's going to be right up through the album
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: release that comes out November 13th. And then as soon
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: as we get home from that run on Monday, the
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: following Saturday, we're doing a show November 21st in Detroit
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: at the New Sanctuary. That's an all-ages show with a
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: bunch of Detroit local bands that we all know. So
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: we're going to make that a thing. And then next year,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. We'll definitely be going over to
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Europe for the summer festivals. we'll definitely be going to
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: like South America and all those kinds of places. Cause
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: we go everywhere. Love it. Hell yeah. So some touring, uh,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: some more videos that are gonna be coming out here
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: pretty soon. So great. What's going on?
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Can people get the album on vinyl?
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: There's actually pre-order going on right now on napalm, uh, records.com.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I think I don't double check that. Whatever. And, uh,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: so they do, they do all these different, uh, you know,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: different types of vinyl, different splatters, different colors. There's a
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: bunch of limited edition stuff on there right now. So
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: get on there and order it. Cause it will go awesome.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: Lovely. Dustin, uh, anything else you'd like to plug?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: That's it, man. Love it.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Well, uh, thanks for having me on. I'm super excited.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Uh, obviously again, you know, Colin mentioned this, but like,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: it definitely sounds like some of the best walls of
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Jericho that we've ever heard. So, you know, the fact
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: that you guys are 28 years in and you're still
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: making some of the best music you guys have ever made,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: that's a testament how good this band is. So we're
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: just super excited and hopefully we'll be able to catch
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: a show sometime soon.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: There'll be more, there'll be some shows I'm hoping. Where
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: are you guys from?
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: I'm in, I'm in the Twin Cities. Cullen is just
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: outside of Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: So Midwest, we'll be up there.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: We're excited. There will be some Minneapolis, maybe some New England,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: not New England, but Milwaukee. Sure. Sick.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe Omaha.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: We'll see what, Ooh, I don't know about Omaha. Omaha's rough, dude.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty rough. It's pretty rough.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: It's great.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Well, Dustin, again, just thank you so much. Yeah, hopefully
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: we'll see you on tour soon.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Cool, man. Thanks, guys.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: So God grant me strength