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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.
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Speaker 1: I will be your host Emily Simpson with Shane with
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Speaker 1: Shane Simpson. First of all, on today's episode, we just
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Speaker 1: wanted to do a little update on Karen Reid. There's
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Speaker 1: some activity going on in that case, so we want
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Speaker 1: to just discuss that briefly. Then after we talk about
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Speaker 1: Karen Reid for a little bit, we are going to
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Speaker 1: go into a brand new case. It is the Corey
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Speaker 1: Richan's case, which I've taken a deep dive into over
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Speaker 1: the past few days. So I'm pretty excited about discussing
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Speaker 1: this with you all. If you haven't heard of it yet,
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Speaker 1: it's it's a young mom out in Utah with kids
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Speaker 1: who is allegedly poisoned her husband so is allegedly a murderer.
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Speaker 1: So we are going to take a deep dive into
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Speaker 1: that case. But first let's do some updates in Karen Reid. So,
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Speaker 1: Karen Reid has a civil lawsuit against several witnesses from
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Speaker 1: her murder trial that has now been transferred to federal court.
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Speaker 1: This is according to court records. She originally filed the
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Speaker 1: case in state court, targeting members of the Massachusetts State
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Speaker 1: Police investigation, as well as the people present in the
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Speaker 1: home where John O'Keeffe was discovered outside back in January
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two. Also, if you have not listened
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Speaker 1: to our podcast on the Karen Reid, we did a
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Speaker 1: couple episodes on Karen Reid.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe we sul still a little quick reminder.
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Speaker 2: She was accused of murdering her fiance with a car.
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Speaker 2: She was on trial with the hung jury. Then there
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Speaker 2: was a second trial.
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Speaker 1: And she was acquitted.
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Speaker 2: She was acquitted except she got a duy.
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Speaker 1: She did she was convicted of the lesser charge of dui.
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Speaker 1: But it all this case, if you don't know Karen Reid,
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Speaker 1: it all revolved around the defense alleged that there was
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Speaker 1: a conspiracy and that John O'Keeffe was actually murdered within
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Speaker 1: the home of other Boston police officers, and then his
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Speaker 1: body was put into the yard. And then this.
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Speaker 2: Case was so and prosecutor was alleging that she had
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Speaker 2: run him over before while dropping.
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Speaker 1: They had a night of drinking.
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Speaker 2: House was not searched. There was issues surrounding every piece
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Speaker 2: of evidence exactly.
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Speaker 1: It was really fascinating to discuss. That's one of my favorites,
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Speaker 1: just because every piece of evidence didn't lead to any answers.
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Speaker 1: It really just led to more questions, which when you're
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Speaker 1: analyzing it, it's fun to go down that route. So anyway,
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Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to our care and read episodes,
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Speaker 1: I would suggest doing that. So, now that she's been acquitted,
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Speaker 1: she's going after the people that were witnesses against her
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Speaker 1: and members of the Massachusetts State Police Department.
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Speaker 2: In her complaint really noteworthy, not the judge or the prosecutor. No, yes,
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Speaker 2: I just want to make that clear.
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Speaker 1: In her complaint read alleges civil rights violations, malicious prosecution,
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Speaker 1: and a coordinated effort to conceal what she believes happened
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Speaker 1: inside the house during a party. The individuals she names
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Speaker 1: in her lawsuit include Brian and Nicole Albert. If you remember,
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Speaker 1: Brian and Nicole are the ones that were the homeowners
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Speaker 1: that evening, Jennifer and Matthew McCabe. Jennifer is also was
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Speaker 1: the friend that also went to search for him in
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Speaker 1: the morning in the car and they found him in
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Speaker 1: the in the in the front yard. And Brian Higgins,
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Speaker 1: And if you remember, Brian Higgins is the ATF agent
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Speaker 1: who was also there that night, and there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of you know, butt dialing going on in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the night between all of these people.
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Speaker 2: And searching for how long does it take a body
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Speaker 2: to die in the snow or whatever she searched right,
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Speaker 2: there were a.
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Speaker 1: Lot of things, So the court requested that the matter
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Speaker 1: be Actually, the defendants have requested that the matter be
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Speaker 1: moved to federal court because one of her claims involves
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Speaker 1: a federal civil rights claim which involves the Fourth Amendment,
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Speaker 1: and so we know a fourth Amenute Amendment issue is
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Speaker 1: a federal issue, So they've been asked that this case
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Speaker 1: be moved to federal court. The defendants argued they intend
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Speaker 1: to show that Reid's lawsuit is retaliatory misuse of the
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Speaker 1: legal system aimed at shifting blame for Oket's death from
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Speaker 1: her back to them. Reid has previously taken related issues
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Speaker 1: through the federal appeals process up to the Supreme Court,
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Speaker 1: which declined to hear her challenge. That was after her
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Speaker 1: original mistrial. She then went all the way up to
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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court saying that remember that jury had said
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Speaker 1: after the fact that they had found her and to
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Speaker 1: send on some of the other charges, but it wasn't
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Speaker 1: a formal They didn't make a formal decision. They said
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Speaker 1: it like I think in interviews or something after So
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Speaker 1: she actually challenged it and said that they'd really found
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Speaker 1: her not guilty, not guilty, so she shouldn't be tried again.
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Speaker 1: But her retrial did proceed afterward, resulting in acquittals on
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Speaker 1: the major charges and a conviction only on the a
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Speaker 1: lesser impaired driving count. You know my also also, I
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Speaker 1: was thinking when I was reading all this, do you
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Speaker 1: think at any point she needs to just let it go?
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Speaker 2: Well? No, if financially she's no, no, I would be.
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Speaker 2: I would be doing just as she is. Really, Yes,
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Speaker 2: if people accused you of a murder and you didn't
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Speaker 2: have nothing to do with it, and you had to
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Speaker 2: go through two trials, spend time in Jai, however long
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Speaker 2: it was, I don't remember, and have the threat of
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Speaker 2: going to prison and all this while you're trying to
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Speaker 2: supposedly mourn the loss of her fiance. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if she is mourning or not, because then she kicked
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Speaker 2: him out of the car or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Well, they got a fight that night. I mean they
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Speaker 1: had both been drinking and.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, and then you can't move on from
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Speaker 2: the slightest thing, And you can't move on if I like,
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Speaker 2: don't use the if I don't put the cup in
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Speaker 2: the dishwasher, and you want her to move on from
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Speaker 2: murder charges.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: it just draws more attention back onto herself and onto
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Speaker 1: the case. And she's been acquitted to me that question, No,
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the cup and the dishwasher. I'm
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Speaker 1: just talking about at the end of the day she's
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Speaker 1: been acquitted. Maybe I would just feel a sense of
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Speaker 1: relief to just like pick up and move on and
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Speaker 1: just go on with life instead of having to be
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Speaker 1: constantly dealing with legal battle after legal battle with attorneys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but now she's on the offense.
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Speaker 1: Well, I know she's on the offense, but sometimes when
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Speaker 1: you're on the offense, it doesn't work out in your favor.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, maybe i'd love for you to I'm
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Speaker 2: going to play this podcast for you next time you
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Speaker 2: complained about something and you won't move on all right.
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Speaker 1: There's also an interesting thing I saw in the Karen
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Speaker 1: Reid case. The jury form and his name is Charlie Deloache.
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Speaker 1: He did a talk at a I believe it was
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Speaker 1: a law school or he was in front of some students,
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Speaker 1: and he said that even though there were thirty one
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Speaker 1: days of testimony, he believed that there was a conspiracy
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Speaker 1: right from the very first witness. And he said the
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Speaker 1: biggest piece of evidence for him, and I agree with this.
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Speaker 1: When he said that, I was like, yes, I agree.
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Speaker 1: He said, the biggest piece of evidence that made him
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Speaker 1: believe that there was a conspiracy and there was a
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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt was that the investigators never entered Albert's home
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Speaker 1: right from the huge That is huge, right, I mean
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Speaker 1: the whole If they found like a.
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Speaker 2: Crack pipe on our lawn, they'd be searching our house exactly.
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Speaker 2: There was a dead body.
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Speaker 1: Right, and no one went inside the house to look
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Speaker 1: for fingerprints, and people.
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Speaker 2: Went outside the house to wipe the fingerprints down, right
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Speaker 2: whatever else. But wasn't there a dog? They got rid
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Speaker 2: of the canine, Chloe, like a German shepherd police dog.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chloe was rehomed. So that was And then he
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Speaker 1: said he was surprised, I believe he said he was
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Speaker 1: surprised that they even retried her because from him there
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Speaker 1: was reasonable doubt right from the first witness. Also, he
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Speaker 1: said that all the jurors wanted to look at one
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Speaker 1: critical piece of evidence. Do you know what that was?
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Speaker 2: I want to look at one critical piece of evidence, right,
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Was it like a device like her
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Speaker 2: search history? No tail light?
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Speaker 1: It was the tail light, Yeah, it was the tail light.
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Speaker 2: Or smashed by hammer and placed in the front.
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Speaker 1: Lee allegedly that tail light. But he said, according to
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Speaker 1: the jurors that all looked to them like it was
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Speaker 1: tampered with, So.
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Speaker 2: Fabricated is more likely.
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Speaker 1: Also, there is a behind the scenes battle over Karen
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Speaker 1: Reid's phone that continues to go on. A legal fight
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Speaker 1: over two iPhones taken from Karen Reid by Massachusetts State
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Speaker 1: Police nearly two years ago has escalated since in October
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Speaker 1: court hearing. This is according to new filings reviewed by
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Speaker 1: Boston twenty five News. The dispute centers on Special Prosecutor
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Speaker 1: Robert Cosgrove's effort to examine the device the devices for
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Speaker 1: possible evidence that Reid coordinated with blogger Aiden Kearney, who's
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Speaker 1: known as turtle Boy. We didn't really talk about turtle
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Speaker 1: Boy a lot, but he was very invested in the
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Speaker 1: Karen Reid case and he did podcast like daily on
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Speaker 1: her Was it turtle Boy? Yes, turtle Boy, it's what
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Speaker 1: he calls himself. Read's newest defense lawyer, Benjamin P. Orbellis
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Speaker 1: told investigative reporter Ted Daniel in a zoom interview that
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Speaker 1: he believes his search is driven by pressure on the
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Speaker 1: DA's office to get her for something after the Myrtle
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Speaker 1: murder acquittal. They also have found so much more things
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Speaker 1: on John Proctor's phone that that's affecting I believe what
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Speaker 1: was it, nineteen cases, So we'll see what happens as
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Speaker 1: to I don't know how you analyze that, but do
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Speaker 1: you analyze the weight of these of these text messages
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Speaker 1: and inappropriate things that he's been saying on his phone
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Speaker 1: with these cases? Well, what goes from what happens after that?
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Speaker 1: Do they do they all get a retrial?
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Speaker 2: Like then you have to you have to look and
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Speaker 2: see if it if it cause like if did that
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Speaker 2: have an impact significantly on the outcome? Right?
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Speaker 1: But then are you going to have to go to
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Speaker 1: trial on each of those nineteen cases to determine whether
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Speaker 1: what is on his phone impacted the case.
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Speaker 2: Of the way that they are some type of hearing.
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Speaker 2: Some type of hearing may not be a full trial,
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Speaker 2: but I don't know the procedures. I don't know, but
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Speaker 2: definitely you present it before a judge to say was
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Speaker 2: this materially significant? Right?
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Speaker 1: And did it impact the outcome?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know. I think it's fair to say though
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Speaker 2: that this is a civil case. So she was previously
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Speaker 2: was a criminal case, right, So it's a state prosecuting
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Speaker 2: charging her with a crime. Now it's civilly, it's her
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Speaker 2: going after the state or I don't know, she hasn't No,
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Speaker 2: it's them individually.
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Speaker 1: She's going after it.
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Speaker 2: I think I read that she has to make a
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Speaker 2: claim of some sort with the police department and when
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Speaker 2: they deny it, then she can add them as a party.
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Speaker 2: But she has to kind of exhaust those resources first. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but this is a civil case. Criminally, it's beyond a
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Speaker 2: reasonable doubt civilly, she just has to tip the scale
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Speaker 2: in her favor. So yeah, propond's the evidence, So it's
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Speaker 2: fifty one, forty nine percent kind of thing. Lady adjustice, right,
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Speaker 2: just tipping the scale, that's all she has to do.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know if she's gonna succeed in that.
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Speaker 1: But well, she doesn't have Alan Jackson, but I'm sure
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Speaker 1: she'll be okay.
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Speaker 2: All she has to do is tip the scale.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go into the Corey Richand's case. If
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Speaker 1: you have not heard of this case and it has
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Speaker 1: not been on your radar, I feel like it will
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Speaker 1: be if you listen to this, because it's a really interesting,
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Speaker 1: fascinating true crime case.
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Speaker 2: And it's unfolding as we speak.
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Speaker 1: It is folding as we speak. It's a recent case.
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Speaker 1: She is currently incarcerated a waiting trial, and she is
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Speaker 1: slated to go to trial in February of twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: So it's actually coming up because I just realized February
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six is just a couple months away.
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Speaker 1: So all right, let's just do a brief overview of
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Speaker 1: the Corey Richards case.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: Corey Richins is a Utah mother accused of killing her
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Speaker 1: husband Eric Richins in March of twenty twenty two by
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Speaker 1: giving him a moscow mule, which was allegedly laced with
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Speaker 1: a massive dose of illicit fentanyl. Investigators claim she had
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Speaker 1: been secretly taking out large life insurance policies on him,
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Speaker 1: moving money from his accounts and committing various financial and
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Speaker 1: mortgage fraud schemes in the years leading up to his death.
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Speaker 1: After Eric died, she published a children's book about grief,
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Speaker 1: portraying herself as a mourning widow, which drew national attention.
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Speaker 1: Once she was charged in his murder, prosecutors claim her
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Speaker 1: actions were motivated by financial desperation, while Corey denies all allegations,
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Speaker 1: and she has currently incarcerated a waiting trial. Now, I
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Speaker 1: do know that she has attempted bail multiple times and
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Speaker 1: she's been consistently denied, so she is currently in prison.
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Speaker 1: So this case is interesting because first of all, she
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Speaker 1: was married to Eric. They had three young boys together,
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Speaker 1: and she was saying her boys were having trouble with
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Speaker 1: the death of their fathers, so that she wrote a
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Speaker 1: book on grief to help her children. And then I
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Speaker 1: know she did some media, some local media in Utah surrounding,
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Speaker 1: you know, doing interviews talking about her book. It was
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Speaker 1: self published, and I was wondering if you could still
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Speaker 1: find it on Amazon. I was going to look it
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Speaker 1: up and see if you could still buy it. But
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Speaker 1: the reviews, well, no, And is she allowed to financially
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Speaker 1: profit at this time. I mean she hasn't been convicted
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Speaker 1: of a murder yet, so.
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Speaker 2: Probably at this time. I don't know, that's the least
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Speaker 2: of the problems.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, I just want to take a little backtrack.
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Speaker 1: So she and Eric were married back in twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Eric was very successful. I read that he was worth
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Speaker 1: around five million dollars when they were married. He had
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Speaker 1: a very successful stone masonry business. I think it was
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Speaker 1: a family business. So on the day they were married,
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Speaker 1: his mother presented Corey with a prenuptial agreement that she
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Speaker 1: signed on the day of their wedding. I believe it
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Speaker 1: was written by Corey's mother. I don't think it was
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Speaker 1: drafted by an attorney.
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Speaker 2: I'd love to read the mother in law's prenups. Well.
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Speaker 1: I did read some excerpts of it, and I think
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Speaker 1: where they went wrong because.
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Speaker 2: It's just like and you will never if you ever
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Speaker 2: speak to my son.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what would your mom if your mother wrote a prenup?
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Speaker 2: It would be like, well, you know what. To be fair,
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Speaker 2: my mom was very is very opposed to prenups. Like
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Speaker 2: if I present, I said I wanted to get a prenup,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to marry Emily. Yeah, she honestly would be like, well,
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Speaker 2: then you probably shouldn't be getting married.
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Speaker 1: Well, just to let everyone know, I did not sign
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Speaker 1: a prenup when I married Shane Simpson. So anyway, the
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Speaker 1: pre nup is interesting because I read a lawyer, like
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Speaker 1: an estate planning a lawyer, and he was he was
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Speaker 1: analyzing it, and basically the prenups said she gets nothing
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Speaker 1: in the event of a divorce, but there wasn't. I
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Speaker 1: believe that it was lacking language.
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Speaker 2: But you can kill him about death.
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Speaker 1: And also it was saying where people made a critical
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Speaker 1: error was that there was nothing that mentioned if you
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Speaker 1: are in the process of getting a divorce and then
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Speaker 1: that party dies. So yeah, so anyway, there's that's.
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Speaker 2: Why she shouldn't have written it. She should have had
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Speaker 2: an attorney rite it.
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Speaker 1: Right, So there's less than number one. If you can
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Speaker 1: take away, don't have your mother, don't have your mother,
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Speaker 1: your contracts, your prenuptial agreement. If you really feel as
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Speaker 1: if you need one, go to an attorney and have
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Speaker 1: an attorney draft it all right. According to prosecutors back
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Speaker 1: in this timeline twenty fifteen to twenty seventeen, Corey took
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Speaker 1: out multiple life insurance policies on Eric without his explicit knowledge,
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Speaker 1: totally nearly two million dollars and potential benefits. You know,
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Speaker 1: she's also she's being charged with a lot of financial
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Speaker 1: crimes and insurance fraud as well as murder. So there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of different charges against her.
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Speaker 2: Why is it that? I mean, if you pull out
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Speaker 2: life insurance policies with me and yourself as a beneficiary
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Speaker 2: and I don't have to be there to sign it,
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Speaker 2: shouldn't they like call me?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 2: I was going to be like, hey, your wife just
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Speaker 2: took out three insurance policies on you.
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Speaker 1: Right, And like, isn't there someone in the insurance department.
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Speaker 2: That works flag anyone? Right?
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Speaker 1: Like, isn't there like a red flag department where people
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Speaker 1: feel like maybe they should let someone?
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Speaker 2: I mean, if your credit cards used in some other state,
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Speaker 2: the bank calls you, like, is this your fifty dollars charge? Right?
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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't a life insurance policy like, you know, carry
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Speaker 2: or call you and say.
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Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know you know what. That's a good point.
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Speaker 1: But also my other question is can you take a
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Speaker 1: life insurance policy out on someone without their knowledge?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? But I think you have to have some fine
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Speaker 2: dependency on them.
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Speaker 1: All right. So then by twenty twenty, Eric reportedly discovered
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Speaker 1: secret financial activity. I guess he found a home equity
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Speaker 1: line of credit in his name, which means that she
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Speaker 1: would have had to have forged his name, substantial withdrawals
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Speaker 1: from his bank and credit accounts, and more than one
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand dollars taken from his business.
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Speaker 2: What was she? So?
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Speaker 1: She was a real estate agent, but then she went
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Speaker 1: into this business that was her own separate business of
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Speaker 1: flipping houses. But I don't think she was as successful
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Speaker 1: as she was tying.
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Speaker 2: Her She probably thought like, Okay, my husband's in the
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Speaker 2: business and family maybe and we have money, I'll just
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Speaker 2: buy a home. I'll paint it and then flip it right,
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Speaker 2: and watching a couple of TV shows and not she
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Speaker 2: could do it right.
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Speaker 1: She watched HGTV and then she thought she was a
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Speaker 1: home flipper, which I feel like a lot of people
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Speaker 1: probably do. I might have been one of those people
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Speaker 1: at one time when I was like, we should just
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Speaker 1: flip homes.
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Speaker 2: It seems really easy. You just make it cute, you
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Speaker 2: sell it. I was happy he.
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Speaker 1: Put pretty ceramic in the kitchen it's so easy that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyone to decorate our own home, I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything anyway. I think for
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Speaker 1: outward appearances, they came off very successful. They were a
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Speaker 1: young couple, They were attractive.
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Speaker 2: She has always it sounds like they were.
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Speaker 1: They have this home. She has this home flipping business,
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Speaker 1: he has this stone masonry business. They go on vacations,
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Speaker 1: They live in a big house. So I don't think
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Speaker 1: that anyone was knowledgeable that there were financial issustes.
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Speaker 2: You getting at she was withdrawing all this money and
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Speaker 2: using all this money for her home flipping failures.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and so I do know that so and.
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Speaker 2: Future endeavors with publishing a book, right.
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Speaker 1: She needed money to publish her book on grief. In
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Speaker 1: October of twenty twenty, after finding these discoveries, Eric met
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Speaker 1: with a divorce attorney and an estate planner, signaling serious
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Speaker 1: material and financial conflict. Then Corey allegedly submitted a new
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Speaker 1: life insurance application on Eric, naming herself as beneficiary. The
17:59
Speaker 1: paul went into effect on February fourth of twenty twenty two.
18:04
Speaker 1: So Eric knew about all of this?
18:06
Speaker 2: Why did he file for divorce? Do we know he
18:07
Speaker 2: didn't file for divorce.
18:08
Speaker 1: He just met with a door. I also think that
18:10
Speaker 1: there was infidelity. I believe she was having some type
18:13
Speaker 1: of affair too, so there was infidelity. There was financial problems.
18:16
Speaker 1: She was stealing money, so he should.
18:19
Speaker 2: Have any redeeming qualities as a wife.
18:20
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like it. But I do know that he
18:25
Speaker 1: changed his finances based upon this without telling her. And
18:30
Speaker 1: he did name his sister as like trustee or says trustee.
18:34
Speaker 1: I believe he had like a living trust or a
18:36
Speaker 1: living will something I don't know, but he took her
18:39
Speaker 1: off Corey and named his sister. And she was not
18:43
Speaker 1: aware of any of this, so he knew that she
18:46
Speaker 1: was doing these things.
18:48
Speaker 2: And the prebaturrey going to get in. Didn't he text
18:51
Speaker 2: or make note that he thinks his wife is poisoning him?
18:54
Speaker 1: Yes, but I was going to wait until I got
18:55
Speaker 1: to the point where she spoiler. Yes. So then on
18:59
Speaker 1: February fourteenth, we're gonna go to Valentine's Day of twenty
19:02
Speaker 1: twenty two, prosecutors claimed Corey made an attempt on Eric's
19:05
Speaker 1: life by giving him a sandwich lace with some toxin
19:09
Speaker 1: which we believe was fentanyl. Eric reportedly broke out in
19:12
Speaker 1: hives and used an EpiPen and anahistamines. This incident sparked
19:16
Speaker 1: his suspension, suspicion that she was trying to poison him.
19:20
Speaker 2: Well, he had an EpiPen, so did he have an
19:22
Speaker 2: allergy that was known?
19:24
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was his or if it
19:26
Speaker 1: was the kids. But she didn't give him first.
19:29
Speaker 2: Album is a sandwich for Valentine's Day? Seriously, right, she
19:32
Speaker 2: didn't want him to give him the last meal. No,
19:35
Speaker 2: here's a peanut butter sandwich.
19:37
Speaker 1: Colony. Some fentanyl.
19:40
Speaker 2: Take a big bite fentanyl lace to sandwich.
19:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she she did learn that she did not.
19:46
Speaker 1: That's why this is Oh, this is why, this is why.
19:50
Speaker 2: You say, what are you doing for dinner? I'm like, oh,
19:51
Speaker 2: I just cook.
19:52
Speaker 1: I doesn't have a sandwich that I make myself, don't
19:55
Speaker 1: touch anything, and.
19:56
Speaker 2: I cover my cup every time we're sitting at the
19:58
Speaker 2: dinner table, as you should.
20:03
Speaker 1: All right. Then in March of twenty twenty two, this
20:06
Speaker 1: is the evening before Eric's death, Corey allegedly made a
20:11
Speaker 1: moscow mule cocks.
20:13
Speaker 2: Is that just a drink moscow mule?
20:16
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a cocktail. It's vodka. And I think it's
20:18
Speaker 1: got meant you like crush the mint. And you know
20:21
Speaker 1: those moscow mule cups, they're like the copper. I know
20:24
Speaker 1: you know nothing about alcohol or drinking.
20:26
Speaker 2: This is a waste of money.
20:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you don't drink, because of the financial
20:32
Speaker 1: aspect of it.
20:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't afford it.
20:34
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So anyway, she made him, as she
20:37
Speaker 1: called it, or they I read it was a celebratory
20:41
Speaker 1: Moscow mule because apparently she had closed on a house
20:43
Speaker 1: or something like that.
20:44
Speaker 2: She got the fyl She's like, yeah, let's have a drink. Wait,
20:49
Speaker 2: she got enough.
20:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, pulled through right, she learned from the sandwich incident.
20:55
Speaker 1: But she didn't use enough fentanyl. So on the morning
20:59
Speaker 1: of March.
20:59
Speaker 2: Fourth, she should have put in his EpiPen.
21:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, well now I'm not I'm gonna avoid EpiPens, thank you.
21:06
Speaker 2: She just put it in there and then she's like, oh, babe,
21:07
Speaker 2: you're having an hollurgy attack. Yet here's an EpiPen.
21:11
Speaker 1: So on the morning of March fourth, twenty twenty two,
21:14
Speaker 1: Eric was found unresponsive in bed. Corey called nine to
21:17
Speaker 1: one one. A later autopsy revealed he had ingested about
21:21
Speaker 1: five times the lethal dose of fentanyl.
21:24
Speaker 2: She went all out or she wasn't? She was she
21:26
Speaker 2: never again? Yeah, she was like.
21:28
Speaker 1: I'm done making sandwiches, so it's gonna work this time.
21:34
Speaker 1: Now we get to March six of twenty twenty two,
21:36
Speaker 1: which is two days after Eric's death. Prosecutors say Corey
21:39
Speaker 1: hired a Locke smith to open his safe, which reportedly
21:43
Speaker 1: contained over one hundred thousand dollars in cash.
21:46
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, she learns like the next day or two days later.
21:49
Speaker 1: Two days later, why was she said?
21:51
Speaker 2: What would her argument be to be such a hurry
21:53
Speaker 2: to get in that safe, Like two days later your
21:55
Speaker 2: husband dies and you're like, I need to get into
21:58
Speaker 2: the safe. I don't know.
22:01
Speaker 1: I don't know if her argument is I have to
22:02
Speaker 1: take care of three kids and now you know he's dead,
22:04
Speaker 1: and I've got to be for a.
22:05
Speaker 2: Funeral, and she you know what, Well, okay, I'm just
22:08
Speaker 2: saying that. I'm not saying that's evidence, but that's definitely
22:10
Speaker 2: UNUSUALA do you have.
22:12
Speaker 1: A safe somewhere in this house? I don't know all
22:13
Speaker 1: about Are you sure? No?
22:15
Speaker 2: You have everything I own?
22:17
Speaker 1: Okay? Good?
22:17
Speaker 2: Have no safs?
22:19
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, she learned she was not named in his will.
22:22
Speaker 1: His sister was and allegedly Corey punched her sister in
22:25
Speaker 1: law during a dispute over the estate, which led to
22:28
Speaker 1: a misdemeanor assault charge that she later pleaded no contest to.
22:32
Speaker 1: I did hear a podcast with that with the brother
22:34
Speaker 1: talking about what happened. He said that she learned that
22:36
Speaker 1: she wasn't you know, she wasn't in the will. He
22:39
Speaker 1: had removed her from all the financial things, and she
22:43
Speaker 1: and the sister got into some altercation, and so there
22:46
Speaker 1: were some assault charges against her. So later in March
22:49
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, Corey reportedly filed a lawsuit against
22:52
Speaker 1: her sister in law over rights to property that had
22:54
Speaker 1: been jointly held under a prenuptial agreement. Then in April
22:58
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, this is when Corey self publishes
23:01
Speaker 1: a children's book titled Quote Are You with Me, a
23:05
Speaker 1: grief themed story about a father's presence after death. She
23:09
Speaker 1: promoted it publicly, portraying herself as a grieving widow. Prosecutors
23:13
Speaker 1: view that as part of a potential cover up. I mean,
23:17
Speaker 1: of course, prosecution's gonna take a look at the book
23:19
Speaker 1: and say that that was part of her, you know,
23:22
Speaker 1: her masking that she had anything to do with his death,
23:26
Speaker 1: as she portrays herself of this as this grieving widow
23:29
Speaker 1: that's trying to help her three sons get through the
23:31
Speaker 1: process of gen.
23:33
Speaker 2: Writing that book. How she took out life insurance policies
23:36
Speaker 2: and tried to get into a safe.
23:37
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong she assaulted the sister
23:39
Speaker 1: in law Mary either. Yeah. Then in May, on May eighth,
23:43
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three, actually investigators did. They searched the
23:47
Speaker 1: home and arrested her. On March eighth of twenty twenty three,
23:50
Speaker 1: Corey was formally arrested in charge in connection with Eric's
23:53
Speaker 1: death and the related allegations. Now there's also when she
23:57
Speaker 1: was arrested that day, she was held outside the home.
23:59
Speaker 1: I guess they were so the home on the day
24:01
Speaker 1: she was arrested.
24:02
Speaker 2: See do you search the home when there's a homicide?
24:05
Speaker 1: Well, right, normal, And during this search of her home
24:11
Speaker 1: she was held. I believe she was held in a
24:14
Speaker 1: police car with a deputy outside the home, and the
24:16
Speaker 1: deputy recorded her in the car and this became a
24:20
Speaker 1: piece of evidence.
24:21
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that's a standard camera in the car that.
24:24
Speaker 1: Comes so it's not he recorded her with his cell phone,
24:27
Speaker 1: really yeah, because I don't know why she was talking.
24:32
Speaker 1: She was babbling, she was I think he thought her
24:35
Speaker 1: reaction was strange because she was crying, but there were
24:39
Speaker 1: no tears. So for some reason he felt compelled to
24:42
Speaker 1: just record all of it, and so I listened to
24:45
Speaker 1: some of it. She also talks about how she's embarrassed
24:47
Speaker 1: because the neighbors are going to see because she's being held,
24:50
Speaker 1: you know, in a police car outside the house. They're
24:53
Speaker 1: searching the house. And also this search is also interesting
24:57
Speaker 1: because let's talk about a warrant for a second. So
25:00
Speaker 1: they have an arrest warrant, right, they have an arrest
25:02
Speaker 1: warrant to arrest her, and they have a warrant to
25:04
Speaker 1: search her house. But the warrant to search her house
25:06
Speaker 1: is a very limited scope, right.
25:08
Speaker 2: What's the warrant for searching what?
25:10
Speaker 1: I don't know what was in the warrant, but I'm
25:13
Speaker 1: gonna tell you it was a limited scope, meaning that
25:15
Speaker 1: there were certain things listed that they were looking for
25:17
Speaker 1: within the home when they searched it.
25:19
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess drugs and maybe text like devices message.
25:26
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't actually looked at that.
25:28
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess, Yes, I get.
25:29
Speaker 1: It, you're guessing. However, when they searched the home on
25:34
Speaker 1: May eighth, they found an orange notebook, and this orange
25:37
Speaker 1: notebook has become like a critical piece of evidence that's
25:40
Speaker 1: being disputed over because the orange notebook had writings in
25:45
Speaker 1: it that were her journal that allegedly no one knows
25:50
Speaker 1: what exactly is in it, but it looks but it seemed.
25:52
Speaker 1: People have been speculating. But I think it has to
25:54
Speaker 1: do with communications with her and a therapist, which would
25:58
Speaker 1: be privileged possibly possibly, and then maybe there's some type
26:04
Speaker 1: of journaling or confession as to her involvement. So the
26:10
Speaker 1: police found the orange notebook, they read what was inside,
26:14
Speaker 1: and based upon what they read, they took the orange notebook,
26:17
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't explicitly stated in okay, so that.
26:20
Speaker 2: We know that the well was it in Plaine View.
26:24
Speaker 2: If they have a warrant that says you can look
26:26
Speaker 2: for drugs, right then they open a drawer and they
26:31
Speaker 2: see a handgun or something that's contraband now that's fair game.
26:37
Speaker 2: So I don't know. So the argument is whether this
26:41
Speaker 2: notebook fell within plane view and it was it was
26:45
Speaker 2: fair game for the cops to seize it, or whether
26:48
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have opened a notebook at all, because if
26:50
Speaker 2: they were looking for drugs, you're not going to open up.
26:52
Speaker 1: Well, I think the prosecution has conceded that it was
26:56
Speaker 1: not It was outside the scope it warrant, and it's
27:00
Speaker 1: a fruit of the poisonous tree issue because they issued
27:03
Speaker 1: a second warrant to search her home based upon what
27:07
Speaker 1: was written in the Orange notebook. So now you have
27:10
Speaker 1: a second search based upon what was written in the.
27:13
Speaker 2: Orange improper search initially, right, So we don't know anything
27:17
Speaker 2: that's in the book at all.
27:18
Speaker 1: Well, no, we we know that it has to do
27:21
Speaker 1: something with her therapists and subtype of notes and communications,
27:24
Speaker 1: and maybe there's some type of confession or her involvement,
27:28
Speaker 1: but we don't know explicitly what it says. All we
27:30
Speaker 1: know is it was damaging enough to be able to
27:33
Speaker 1: get a second warrant. However, the defense is going to
27:37
Speaker 1: argue that it should be admitted. We'll see what happens
27:40
Speaker 1: with the Orange notebook, right, all right, So let's move on.
27:46
Speaker 1: So in May of twenty twenty three. This goes from
27:49
Speaker 1: May to August of twenty twenty four, the case moved
27:51
Speaker 1: through preliminary hearings, with prosecutors presenting evidence including forensic data,
27:55
Speaker 1: financial and insurance documents, and witness testimony. That all goes
27:59
Speaker 1: to motive, right, because the motive is why did she
28:02
Speaker 1: do it? So that's why you're going to bring in
28:04
Speaker 1: all the financial records, right, You're going to portray this
28:06
Speaker 1: woman as someone that was deeply in debt with a
28:09
Speaker 1: failing business that was taking out life insurance policies without
28:13
Speaker 1: his knowledge.
28:14
Speaker 2: She had she had reason to believe that she was
28:16
Speaker 2: in the will.
28:17
Speaker 1: Right, and she would inherit, and that she would also
28:20
Speaker 1: inherit fifty percent of his business. I believe she thought
28:23
Speaker 1: that too, So her motive is financially driven.
28:26
Speaker 2: Contents of the notebook details of Eric Richand's death. In
28:30
Speaker 2: Vesiero has found notes in the notebook that seemed to
28:32
Speaker 2: contain details about Eric's death, including discussions about ways to
28:35
Speaker 2: kill him and how to cover up the crime.
28:38
Speaker 1: Wow.
28:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, plans to poison Eric, purchase a fentanyl, conversations on
28:44
Speaker 2: notes on life insurance, and there's all a whole breakdown
28:48
Speaker 2: of that.
28:48
Speaker 1: Wow. So that orange notebook, I mean, prosecution is going
28:51
Speaker 1: to want that orange.
28:52
Speaker 2: Why doesn't she have it in orange too? I think
28:54
Speaker 2: it couldn't have been labeled like you know, twenty twenty
28:57
Speaker 2: four tax lads.
28:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I don't understand about people that go
29:03
Speaker 1: through all these they jump through all these hoops to
29:06
Speaker 1: commit crimes, and then they do something stupid like write
29:09
Speaker 1: down their exact plan within a notebook.
29:12
Speaker 2: No doubt the defense wants us thrown out, of course,
29:16
Speaker 2: So absolutely all right, So let's.
29:19
Speaker 1: Talk about other evidence the prosecution has against Corey. First
29:23
Speaker 1: of all, we talked about the orange notebook. There's also
29:26
Speaker 1: the housekeeper testimony. So Carmen Lobber was the housekeeper or
29:31
Speaker 1: she she did some work for Corey. I believe with
29:33
Speaker 1: her homes that she was flipping. She told prosecutors that
29:37
Speaker 1: she sold fittanyl to Corey, but she received immunity for
29:42
Speaker 1: her testimony. She'd had previous drug charges.
29:44
Speaker 2: What's her name.
29:45
Speaker 1: Her name is Carmen Lauber. She's fifty one, and she
29:48
Speaker 1: had done some housekeeping.
29:50
Speaker 2: Car Exchangedyl was right right.
29:55
Speaker 1: So allegedly Carmen was the one that sold Corey the
30:00
Speaker 1: fentanyl and that she says she claims that she sold
30:02
Speaker 1: fentanyl to her on two different occasions, each time around
30:05
Speaker 1: nine hundred dollars, which, however, I assumed the second time
30:08
Speaker 1: she sold it to her it would have been more
30:10
Speaker 1: expensive because that's when she learned that the sandwich didn't work,
30:12
Speaker 1: so she had to buy more fetanyl.
30:14
Speaker 2: But anyway, she didn't supplying demand. Now she really wants.
30:18
Speaker 1: It, so yeah, right, so yeah, I don't know why
30:20
Speaker 1: shouldn't raise her prices. We talked about how she first
30:23
Speaker 1: attempted the fentanyl on Valentine's Day with the sandwich, and
30:27
Speaker 1: forensic evidence corroborates Carmen's statements where she talks about their
30:32
Speaker 1: meeting points where she met her and sold her and allegedly,
30:35
Speaker 1: what I've read is that based upon forensic evidence I'm
30:38
Speaker 1: sure from phone and computer or whatever it is that
30:40
Speaker 1: they took during the search, it corroborates the locations. However,
30:44
Speaker 1: you know, the defense is going to argue that this
30:46
Speaker 1: is a woman with drug charges against her who took immunity,
30:50
Speaker 1: and so she's going to be compelled to say whatever
30:53
Speaker 1: the prosecution wants. So that's that's going to.
30:56
Speaker 2: Put like she's an untrustworthy, noncredible source. You know, I
31:00
Speaker 2: have to say that, you know, the few times that
31:03
Speaker 2: you've prepared a meal for me, Yes, over the last
31:08
Speaker 2: sixteen years. And if I've like fallen ill and had
31:13
Speaker 2: a stomach ache or after I made something for you,
31:17
Speaker 2: I've never once thought, oh my gosh, she's trying to
31:18
Speaker 2: poison me. I just thought, oh, I don't feel well.
31:21
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that. I'm glad you've never felt that way,
31:25
Speaker 1: I know.
31:25
Speaker 2: But for him to think that, yes, I mean, it's
31:29
Speaker 2: not just he had hives so he thought his wife
31:31
Speaker 2: poisoned him. He had it led up to that. There
31:35
Speaker 2: was lots of things before that that made him think,
31:37
Speaker 2: my wife wants to kill me.
31:38
Speaker 1: Well, that's not meir, Okay, it is weird. And this
31:40
Speaker 1: is what I don't understand. He clearly knew that she
31:44
Speaker 1: was doing financial things behind his back. There's one problem
31:49
Speaker 1: because he took her out of the will and he
31:51
Speaker 1: named his sister as you know, having controlling interests and everything. Yeah,
31:56
Speaker 1: so he didn't trust her financially, right. He also knew
31:59
Speaker 1: that she was having an affair. I believe there was
32:02
Speaker 1: some infidelity fidelity going on. He also told his family
32:07
Speaker 1: that he thought she was trying to kill him. So
32:10
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you stay.
32:11
Speaker 2: In the party, Like I think I need a file
32:14
Speaker 2: for right.
32:15
Speaker 1: And I mean he took he ate the sandwich, and
32:18
Speaker 1: he still hung out with her, and he still continued
32:20
Speaker 1: to live with her and take a cocktail from her.
32:23
Speaker 2: Oh well, it's like, hey, I'm going to go I
32:24
Speaker 2: have some drinks with my wife. By the way, I
32:26
Speaker 2: think she's trying to kill me.
32:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she hands she hands him a cocktail
32:30
Speaker 1: and he drinks it. I mean, make that makes sense.
32:32
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy, I don't understand the first second.
32:36
Speaker 1: I thought you were trying to kill me. I'm gonna
32:37
Speaker 1: move out. I'm just letting you know, all right. So
32:48
Speaker 1: we have the orange notebook. We have the drug.
32:51
Speaker 2: Dealer orange notebook.
32:53
Speaker 1: I know, right, that's the orange notebook. Now you're gonna
32:56
Speaker 1: love the Walk of the Dog letter because this is
32:58
Speaker 1: another piece of evidence that the prosecution against her. So
33:01
Speaker 1: this walk that they call it Walk the Dog letter
33:03
Speaker 1: because this is a handwritten letter that Corey wrote while
33:06
Speaker 1: she is in prison awaiting trial, that she wrote to
33:09
Speaker 1: her mother. It's six pages long, and the prison staff
33:14
Speaker 1: I don't know who it was, but they found it
33:15
Speaker 1: when they searched her cell, and they found it hidden
33:18
Speaker 1: inside a book, an orange book, not an orange book,
33:21
Speaker 1: just a regular book. And at the top and big
33:24
Speaker 1: bold letters with the exclamation point, it says walk the dog.
33:27
Speaker 1: So she's, you know, reminding her mom to walk the dog.
33:30
Speaker 1: So they call it the walk the Dog Letter. But
33:32
Speaker 1: it's so incriminating. I'm just going to read some of it.
33:35
Speaker 1: So she says to her mother, and.
33:37
Speaker 2: We believe this to have been written while in prison.
33:40
Speaker 1: No, she yes, they found it in her cell.
33:42
Speaker 2: She didn't submit it to whoever, her mom or whatever.
33:45
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure she at some point was going to
33:47
Speaker 1: mail it.
33:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she wrote it, right, So she wrote a
33:51
Speaker 2: six page handwritten letter, hid it in a book in
33:54
Speaker 2: her prison cell, and then prison staff found it.
33:58
Speaker 1: And obviously, like we were talking about this earlier, there's
34:01
Speaker 1: no there's no privacy in a prison cell. I assume
34:05
Speaker 1: there's no there's.
34:06
Speaker 2: No bathroom door, there's no fourth right right out there.
34:11
Speaker 1: So she says, here is what I'm thinking, But you
34:14
Speaker 1: have to talk to Ronnie. So Ronnie is her brother.
34:17
Speaker 1: He would probably have to testify to this, but it's
34:20
Speaker 1: super short, not a lot to it. He will need
34:23
Speaker 1: to tell Sky. Sky is her attorney at the time.
34:25
Speaker 1: She has a new attorney now, but Sky at the
34:27
Speaker 1: meeting next week upon information and belief. A year prior
34:31
Speaker 1: to Eric's death, Ronnie was over watching football one Sunday
34:34
Speaker 1: and Eric and Ronnie were chatting about Eric's Mexico trips.
34:38
Speaker 1: Eric told Ronnie he gets paint pills and fentanyl from
34:41
Speaker 1: Mexico from the workers at the ranch, and not to
34:44
Speaker 1: tell me because I would get mad because I always
34:47
Speaker 1: said he just gets high every night and and won't
34:49
Speaker 1: help take care of the kids. There are pictures in
34:52
Speaker 1: my phones of Eric passed out on the floor or
34:55
Speaker 1: in the chair. Ronnie should have text from Eric talking
34:57
Speaker 1: about getting high as well. Eric told Ronnie he keeps
35:01
Speaker 1: them and an allergy pill bottle in his work truck
35:03
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't find them. Ronnie never told me about
35:06
Speaker 1: the conversation. Eric finally told me and asked if Carmen
35:09
Speaker 1: could get him some. That's the housekeeper. Eric never wanted
35:13
Speaker 1: anyone to know he had an issue, especially get caught.
35:15
Speaker 1: He always wanted Corey to go down for him. When
35:18
Speaker 1: they traveled. Eric would put his drugs in and Carrie's
35:21
Speaker 1: bag at the airlines right before they boarded. That way,
35:24
Speaker 1: if they were caught. Corey got in trouble, not him.
35:27
Speaker 1: It goes on.
35:28
Speaker 2: So having testify to all those things, right.
35:31
Speaker 1: So then after this letter is found, which basically to
35:35
Speaker 1: me is nothing more than instructions about what her brother
35:37
Speaker 1: Ronnie needs to go to her attorney and say what
35:40
Speaker 1: he needs to testify what he needs to say that
35:43
Speaker 1: Eric has a drug problem, because that's her defense, right,
35:46
Speaker 1: Her defense is that he is a drug addict and
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Speaker 1: he overdosed. Right, It's not that she poisoned him with fences.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't that did it.
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Speaker 1: It was. It's just that he has a drug problem
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Speaker 1: and that he goes to Mexico and he buys drugs
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Speaker 1: and he could tie every night and asses out. So
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Speaker 1: she's giving explicit instructions.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile her brother, but meanwhile their housekeeper apparently can get fentanyl,
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Speaker 2: but he goes to Mexico to get it. Right, Yeah,
36:09
Speaker 2: that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Right, So her defense claims that this is not an
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Speaker 1: instructions to her brother and to her mom as to
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Speaker 1: how to testify it or to make this story into
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Speaker 1: her her husband being a drug addict. But it's a
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Speaker 1: fictional work. That she's writing a book and this is
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Speaker 1: just a fictional other piece of writing, even though it
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Speaker 1: names her brother Ronnie explicitly, and it's written to her mom,
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Speaker 1: and it says walk the dog at the top of it.
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Speaker 2: I understand. I don't know anyway, I mean, who does
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Speaker 2: she thinks she's fooling.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. But this is I mean, talk about incriminating.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're literally telling your brother how to testify
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Speaker 1: he's going.
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Speaker 2: Quit writing stuff down and leaving it everywhere. You leave
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Speaker 2: notebooks in your house, you leave them in the cell.
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Speaker 2: Quit writing this stuff down, right.
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Speaker 1: Well, she makes reference to her attorney Sky, and we
37:04
Speaker 1: do know that that attorney they parted way. She has
37:06
Speaker 1: a new attorney now based upon irreconcilable differences, so that
37:10
Speaker 1: was probably part.
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Speaker 2: Of the divorce attorney she divorced.
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Speaker 1: Her attorney she did. So the walk the Dog letter,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I found it isn't.
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Speaker 2: Just say walk the dog and then it talks about testimonies.
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Speaker 1: It just says walk the dog really big at the top.
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Speaker 1: So they call it. They call it the walk the
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Speaker 1: Dog Letter, but take it says, but take vague notes,
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Speaker 1: so you remember, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know either.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's very I mean, it's it's as
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Speaker 1: incriminating as you can get.
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Speaker 2: Well, uh Oj wrote a book that was called If
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Speaker 2: I Did It. If I did it, this is what
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Speaker 2: I would kill her. But if I was going to
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Speaker 2: kill the love of my life, this is how I
37:48
Speaker 2: would do it. I would And then outrage came out
37:52
Speaker 2: before it was even published, and the publishing company somehow
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Speaker 2: like dropped it or.
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Speaker 1: Whatever, so it was never Actually I don't remember, like
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Speaker 1: you find it anywhere?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I downloaded it.
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Speaker 1: Did you read it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I read. I like skimmed through it. It was
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Speaker 2: creepy and weird, and it was Yeah, it was if
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Speaker 2: I did It.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's strange, I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: Well, apparently the publishing company I don't know. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: So now there's a witness named Robert Krozer. He is
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Speaker 1: the drug dealer who is high. So when you're talking
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Speaker 1: about drug dealing, apparently the housekeeper was just the distributor.
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Speaker 1: But then she had to buy the fentanyl from someone else.
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Speaker 1: So the person she bought it from was a man
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Speaker 1: named Robert Krozer. He is the drug dealer who supplied
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Speaker 1: the housekeeper. He gave a statement originally to investigators to
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Speaker 1: the prosecution that said he sold fentanyl to Carmen Lauber
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Speaker 1: on two different occasions. However, recently he has now come
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Speaker 1: forward and says he's changed his statements, claiming that he
38:49
Speaker 1: did not sell her fentanyl, that he sold her oxy.
38:52
Speaker 1: So he's claiming that when he made those original statements
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Speaker 1: when he said he did sell fentanyl to the housekeeper,
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Speaker 1: Carmen was what was that he was coming out of wa.
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Speaker 2: Was detoxing, and so he has he has no memory
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Speaker 2: during a certain period of time while he was detoxing,
39:09
Speaker 2: probably because he was on medication or I don't know
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Speaker 2: how it works.
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Speaker 1: So now he's coming forward and his statements are very clear,
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Speaker 1: and he's saying that he did not sell fentanyl to
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Speaker 1: the housekeeper, he sold oxy, which is actually it's very
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Speaker 1: critical to this case because the case with the prosecution
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Speaker 1: against her is that she because he had a lethal
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Speaker 1: dose of fentanyl, and.
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Speaker 2: It believe him, and you take his testimony that he
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Speaker 2: did not give fetanyl to the housekeeper, then that means
39:41
Speaker 2: the housekeeper did not give fentanyl to the defendant, which
39:45
Speaker 2: means that which is how the victim died. So therefore,
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Speaker 2: if you can't place the weapon in the defendant's hands.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of you're creating a lot.
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Speaker 1: Of doubt, you're creating a lot of reason.
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Speaker 2: But it sounds silly. Well here's it sounds absolutely ridiculous
40:02
Speaker 2: to say like, I don't know, it's like a technicality.
40:06
Speaker 2: It's like, well, it wasn't fetanyl. It was oxy that
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Speaker 2: I got and I didn't I don't know. It's just
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Speaker 2: a whole And then he has incentive to say like, oh, wait,
40:13
Speaker 2: he died of fentanyl. There's murder chargers. Yeah, I didn't
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Speaker 2: give her feentanyl, I her oxy.
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Speaker 1: Right. But also he's the drug dealer, he's not the chemist. No,
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Speaker 1: So in my mind when I read that, I was thinking.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't have a degree in pharmacology.
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Speaker 1: No, that what drug dealer knows what the chemical makeup
40:32
Speaker 1: is And isn't it possible that it's oxy? But it
40:34
Speaker 1: could also happen layl Yeah, right, So.
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Speaker 2: I mean it is an argument, Well, it's but the
40:42
Speaker 2: orange notebook is of more value.
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Speaker 1: To me, like the Walk the Dog letter and the
40:45
Speaker 1: Orange notebook. Right, So there we go with that. That's
40:49
Speaker 1: the defense creating reasonable doubt by having him testify that
40:53
Speaker 1: it wasn't actually fentanyl. That it was oxy. It also
40:57
Speaker 1: made me wonder if and this is just an opinion,
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Speaker 1: this is not based in anything other than maybe her
41:04
Speaker 1: family got to him to this witness.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Corey's family, Yes, got to the witness and said.
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Speaker 1: What like, maybe there's some witness tampering going on and
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Speaker 1: got in something some incentive to for him to recant
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Speaker 1: and change it, because that's the crux of the case,
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Speaker 1: if it's not fentanyl that she was buying.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you really are discussing that's not based on
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Speaker 2: anything I.
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Speaker 1: Just said, I'm just guessing.
41:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's guessing, not even based on aposti some evidence
41:33
Speaker 2: out there that they had conversations.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm just guessing. It's just in the dark shot
41:39
Speaker 1: at maybe there was some witness tampering going on, and
41:42
Speaker 1: that's why this drug dealer has now changed his testimony.
41:46
Speaker 2: Or maybe it's the fact that he doesn't want charge
41:47
Speaker 2: is brought against him.
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Speaker 1: Why because do you get lesser charges if it's oxy?
41:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then it's like I didn't I didn't contribute
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Speaker 2: to this murder. I didn't play a part in this.
41:57
Speaker 1: Okay. Now, also with these drug charges and these witnesses
41:59
Speaker 1: that are comeing forward that are testifying to this drugs.
42:02
Speaker 1: I just I just saw a podcast on this where
42:06
Speaker 1: this was recent in this case, where there's motions being
42:08
Speaker 1: made that these witnesses need independent counsel to represent them
42:14
Speaker 1: because they're going to testify about drugs drug deal.
42:20
Speaker 2: That's where the immunity comes in. Yeah, you want to
42:22
Speaker 2: sometimes they want to grant like, we'll just give you
42:24
Speaker 2: immunity because we don't really care about your stupid little
42:27
Speaker 2: technol party we had the other night. We want to
42:30
Speaker 2: know about this murder, and we want you to speak
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Speaker 2: freely and candidly without any worries or any you know,
42:38
Speaker 2: censoring of anything.
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Speaker 1: Right, the only person that has immunity so far is
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Speaker 1: just the housekeeper, Carmen. But there are other people that
42:44
Speaker 1: are going to testify that has to do with the
42:46
Speaker 1: drugs and the drug deal and talking about all that.
42:48
Speaker 1: So I believe it was the defense that made emotion
42:52
Speaker 1: that said the state needs to supply these people with
42:56
Speaker 1: their own independent counsel and pay for their counsel because
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Speaker 1: they're self incriminating and they don't have anyone.
43:03
Speaker 2: Well, when you're a criminal, you need to be prepared
43:05
Speaker 2: to have a criminal defense attorney, right, so that's tough
43:09
Speaker 2: for them, okay, all right, Like I have no sympathy
43:12
Speaker 2: for the fact that you have no sympathy. Oh no,
43:14
Speaker 2: they're burdened with having to get an attorney because they
43:17
Speaker 2: party on the weekends with drugs.
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Speaker 1: All right. So in August of twenty twenty four, a
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Speaker 1: judge ruled there was enough evidence to send Corey to
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Speaker 1: trial on charges including aggravated murder, attempted murder that's related
43:29
Speaker 1: to the alleged Valentine's Day poisoning, drug distribution, insurance and
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Speaker 1: mortgage fraud and forgery. Corey pleaded not guilty to all counts,
43:38
Speaker 1: so the trial for the murder and associated charges was
43:41
Speaker 1: initially scheduled to begin in April of twenty twenty five. However,
43:45
Speaker 1: the start of the trial was delayed and definitely as
43:47
Speaker 1: her defense challenged certain aspects of jury selection. So the
43:51
Speaker 1: prosecutors have amended the charging documents to separate financial crimes
43:55
Speaker 1: like the mortgage fraud and forgery from the murder case,
43:59
Speaker 1: consolidating them into a separate twenty six count case. So
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Speaker 1: the murder trial remains pending in County jail, delayed while
44:06
Speaker 1: legal motions continue. However, I have read that she is
44:09
Speaker 1: slated to go to trial in February of twenty twenty six,
44:13
Speaker 1: so that's coming up in a couple months and we'll
44:15
Speaker 1: see what's going to happen with that. Obviously, there's going
44:17
Speaker 1: to be a lot of.
44:17
Speaker 2: Hearing, maybe ups pushed, It might be issues with evidence
44:22
Speaker 2: and discovery and all that stuff, especially with this Orange notebook.
44:25
Speaker 2: I'm dying to read this in Orange notebook.
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Speaker 1: All right. So that is the Corey Richard's case that's
44:31
Speaker 1: in Utah. I find it fascinating and obviously because she
44:34
Speaker 1: is slated to go to trial soon, there's going to
44:36
Speaker 1: be a lot of things that probably come up in
44:38
Speaker 1: the next couple months with this case. So we will
44:40
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44:42
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44:45
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