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the entire swiftgron timeline ft. what i will say · gasp! the pod

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  If a robot took all of the data and put it together without the
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  biases of like homophobia, they would be like, that's more
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  likely to be the muse. I wonder if we could put the
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  timeline into like Chat GPTI and be like, so guys, here's the
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  team. What happened here?
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  The robot's like that would be fascinating.
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  The robot's like, I'm not allowed to say slurs, but
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  they're dykes. OK, Welcome everyone to gasp the
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  pod today is a very, very special episode because we have
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  an amazing guest on that I'm so glad is joining me.
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  Cam, from what I will say, and we're going to be talking all
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  about Swiftgron. I am more of a Kaler expert and
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  that's why I'm so glad you're joining me for Swiftgron because
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  I remember listening to so many of your Swiftgron timeline
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  episodes and they blew my mind. So thank you for joining.
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  I wanna just like introduce like your podcast for like 20 seconds
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  and then we can go into like the body of Swiftgron.
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  Yeah, sure. So much like you, you have a
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  sapphic queer focused pop culture podcast.
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  So do I. It's called what I will say
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  wherever you get your podcasts. And we cover a lot of Taylor Now
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  I'm a buyler, so we talk about the guys, we talk about the
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  girls. We I love her with anyone you
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  know, I just love Taylor. And then also we cover other
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  queer like our culture moments, conspiracy theories.
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  A few that come to mind is like we did, you know, the two girls
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  and the Spice Girls who like dated.
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  We talked about them. We've done, I mean, every gaylor
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  topic. I've talked to death.
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  I have a nine part series on Kaylor, five part series on
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  Swiftgron, six part series on Tilly.
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  I've got it all. So yeah, I feel like we're
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  imagining heaven, honestly. Yeah, we really are.
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  OK, great. Well, let's like get into the
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  timeline of Taylor Swift and Diane Agron's relationship
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  because for those who are not aware, because I feel like
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  probably everyone is, but Swift Gron refers to Taylor Swift and
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  Diane Agron and their romance. But I'm sure people are hip to
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  that who listen to this. And yeah, do you want to get
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  into the background of at least like Diane Agron right now?
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  Yeah, I've got a brief background on her.
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  Most people probably know this, but you know, Swiftground's an
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  interesting one and the timeline is vast.
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  I wrote the timeline swiftgroundmasterpost.tumblr.com.
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  Like I said, it took me 5 episodes, maybe almost 10 hours
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  to get through the whole thing. So we're doing like a highlights
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  like here's a primer, here's an intro if you're interested.
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  There's more out there more, you know, all sorts of Swift ground
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  content. But like, this is our primer.
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  So let's do a little brief background on Diana.
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  Diana Agron was born in Georgia. She spent her childhood in Texas
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  and then her adolescence in San Francisco.
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  Her dad was a manager for Hyatt Hotels, so they actually lived
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  in hotels, so that's kind of interesting.
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  Diana loved musical theater and old movies.
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  That's actually probably why she has like a transatlantic accent.
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  A lot of people have noticed she grew up just being obsessed with
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  like, the old classics. And of course, she got famous
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  for her role on Glee as Quinn Fabray.
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  I'm showing off my T-shirt on. Video now.
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  Yes, cheerleader. Bitch Queen, we love a little
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  Glee around here, but is she gay?
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  Because obviously if she did have a relationship with Taylor
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  Swift, you would have to establish some type of
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  queerness. Now, for the record, I just
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  think she's bi. I don't think she has like a
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  billion different fake boyfriends, maybe a couple PR
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  relationships back in the day. Diana has given some interesting
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  quotes. She's done some interesting
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  things. So Diana, in 2015, she did a
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  movie called Bear, which is about a young woman who thinks
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  she's straight and then meets another woman and they have this
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  torrid, very sexual affair. There is a pretty explicit
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  lesbian sex scene in the movie and Diana gave an interview
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  where she said I read Bear a year before I signed on.
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  When I first read it, I didn't engage because they wanted me
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  for Sarah. If anything, I wanted to play
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  Pepper, who is like the lesbian aggressor in the movie.
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  She wanted to play against the innocent look that I contend to
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  have and use some of my past experiences to fuel the role as
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  a lesbian aggressor. Like I'm, I'm saying that kind
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  of jokingly because that's unfortunately kind of how the
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  movie is framed. It's you know, but she also
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  said, I think it is my experience in life that I that
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  have made me understand sexuality in many different
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  ways. And in playing Sarah, I was just
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  so showcasing my beliefs that I believe that love comes in many
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  ways, shapes and colors. But it's just like, what past
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  experiences were you going to be used to play Pepper, who like
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  eats this girl out and like they have sex desert and it's just
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  OK. Diana's made countless posts for
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  pride. I have a little document of tons
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  of them. She's actually recently deleted
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  some of them. So it's like, OK, homophobe.
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  I don't know. She's cleaning up her Instagram,
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  but she loves to celebrate Gay Pride month, which allies can do
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  of course too. But she's done countless gay
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  projects. She often takes gay roles.
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  I think everything she's done recently she's played bisexual
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  or lesbian in. So, you know, why is she so
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  drawn to those roles? She said once while she was
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  hosting the GLAAD Awards, she said I've kissed girls before,
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  It's fun, classic. OK, great.
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  So you have had contact with women that's you're just owning
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  that of course straight girls can kiss girls for fun.
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  I'm not saying that doesn't happen.
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  But when you put the preponderance of evidence
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  together, right. And then we have to talk briefly
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  about Shortgate. So the fun thing about a lesbian
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  or a sapphic woman anywhere is you can just show them a picture
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  of Diana Agron wearing a shirt that says likes girls and
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  they'll have a meltdown instantly because this changed
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  lives. OK, so Glee had a live tour back
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  in 2011. And one of the performances on
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  that tour, it's the whole cast of Glee.
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  Like, these fucking TV stars are going around playing arenas and
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  pretending to be their Glee characters.
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  And it's like a musical tour experience, right?
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  So one of the performances was Born This Way, which of course
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  the Lady Gaga I was Born This Way.
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  And in the TV show, they wear shirts that say their biggest
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  fear. So I think like Kurt wears a
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  shirt about how he's gay or and and Santana wears a shirt kind
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  of referencing that she's lesbian, although it's in
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  Lebanese, but that's like an inside joke from the show.
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  Well, Quinn's shirt is supposed to say Lucy Kaboosi on it
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  because that was like her old nickname or whatever and she's
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  ashamed of it. So she's owning it on the shirt,
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  and she does wear that in tour almost every performance.
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  But one performance in the summer of 2011, she came out
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  wearing a shirt that said likes girls.
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  And I actually had that shirt. I almost wore it for this but
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  then I was like. Oh my God.
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  I got a red eye. Yeah, it's a.
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  Great shirt, I need that. Shirt yeah, I wore it to eras so
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  you know I just I love that couldn't contain myself but
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  everybody thought she came out she wore a shirt that's like
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  girls and she danced around the stage there are GIFs of her and
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  video of her like showing the shirt off like bringing
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  attention to. It like.
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  She's like, look at me, look at me.
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  She's dancing, She's grooving. Like it's like, Oh my God.
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  That's coming. Out.
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  That's a coming. That's a coming out.
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  Are you kidding me? Like, obviously it is.
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  And of course a lot of people did think she was coming out.
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  Twitter explodes, Tumblr explodes, the L chat explodes.
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  Like, everybody melts down, right?
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  And some people are trying to say, no, it's not.
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  It's like it's a different person wearing it.
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  Or one person was like I think Diana has had a cold for the
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  past few days so she must have been high on cold medicine and
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  taken the wrong shirt. Which is like OK the reaching
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  will do to keep our fair princesses straight.
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  Yeah, yeah, no, people will make up any excuses to make it make
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  sense. They truly will.
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  But the next day, Diana drops an essay on Tumblr basically saying
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  that she wore the shirt as an ally.
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  And she's like, I, I wore a legs girl shirt because I do love
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  women platonically, but I'm supporting Pride.
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  It was like all over the place. It's just like, OK, so Pride is
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  not for people, like, not for women who love women
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  platonically. Like, it's so silly.
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  But there is one. There is one quote from this
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  that is just hilarious. Or it's not even hilarious.
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  It's actually kind of sad. It's crazy, she says.
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  Raise your hand if you've spent nights crying yourself to sleep.
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  OK, gay behavior. OK dyke.
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  Raise your hand if you've felt as if you'd rather hide in bed
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  all day, then face the people that make you feel small or
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  powerless. Raise your hand if you felt as
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  if you'd rather lie to people than tell them the truth about
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  who you really are, because at least you wouldn't be the victim
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  of hateful behavior or prejudice.
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  And raise your hand if lying feels almost as bad.
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  OK, gayest set of sentences. Wow.
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  Because like, what else would that be about?
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  Like, what prejudice is she facing, right?
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  Because if she's just talking about sexism, she would just say
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  that. And she wouldn't have worn a
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  shirt that said likes. Girls right, it seems like
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  what's happening is like she wanted to wear a likes girls
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  T-shirt and then obviously there's backlash and people are
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  like you're gay. And do you think it's like she's
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  realizing and scared that she needs to like cover her ass and
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  say that this was like platonic or do you think it was like APR
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  thing or like maybe her media person was like you need to make
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  a statement? To be honest, I, I kind of do
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  think it was a a bit of APR thing because during this Glee
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  tour and the years before she was voraciously shipped with Lea
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  Michele. There is so much there.
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  I do think they dated or we're sleeping together or something.
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  I've heard tea. I've if you look at their their
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  content and timeline, they live together.
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  They would have this moment where they would hold hands on
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  tour and then sometimes they weren't holding hands and it'd
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  be like, Oh my God, Lea and Diana are in a fight.
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  So much good stuff to a show and I do think they were dating and
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  I do think probably that was not the energy the show wanted.
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  Of course Gwen is the sex appeal.
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  She is the straight now. They did actually let her go gay
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  in the fourth season, but only with Santana, never with Rachel
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  so big. Big time for me, Yeah, in my.
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  Figure moment. So I do think she was probably
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  they were saying either her team and Leah's team or like all the
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  teams in like the Glee, you know, production was like, no,
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  you're not doing this, not right now.
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  Like, yeah, right. So you.
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  Can't have every girl character on the show be gay.
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  They needed to like, leave a few straight girls.
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  Yeah, so there's a lot to Diana's, like history and
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  involvement with queerness in the queer community.
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  And what I found if if some if a straight person keeps making
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  themselves the center of conversation when it comes to
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  queerness, they're just queer. And and it might take time to
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  come out, you know, it might take time to come out and it
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  might, who knows what they could be bisexual, pansexual, fluid.
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  Dom Provost Chalkley from Winona Wynonna Earp, you know, their
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  journey into some type of queerness and then like a
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  gender, you know, fluidity. But like before that before Dom
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  was Dom Dominique was always making themselves like the
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  center of pride And and, you know, they were not out as any
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  type of queer. And it's just like people who
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  make themselves the center of the conversation how for
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  whatever reason, but it seems like most of those people end up
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  coming out as queer. That's just been my
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  observational experience. I totally agree.
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  And I think there is definitely a trajectory of like huge ally,
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  biggest ally in the world to coming out and like maybe they
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  don't even kind of realize why they're connecting like so much
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  with the queer community. Like at least that was my
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  experience where I was like, I, I am so I feel so protective
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  over like queer people and like I am so passionate about gay
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  rights and like centering myself and it, I didn't really realize
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  it at the time. It's because like I felt that
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  way. Why are people automatically
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  assuming that those biggest allies and the people that
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  center themselves and like queer conversations are queer being
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  automatically? I actually kind of, I blame Glee
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  because I think straight people have this idea that queer people
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  owe them and, and the only way to communicate Queerness is a
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  very special episode where we all sit down and you say exactly
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  what your label is and there's, there's no bones about it.
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  Kurt and Glee telling Mercedes he's gay even though we already
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  knew he was gay, right? I have this whole episode.
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  It's called it's it's called Gaylord one O 3, I think.
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  And it's just about like the signals we like people can pick
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  up on. I know you just did an episode
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  on that as well. So like, I think straight people
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  just have this idea that if someone is gay, it will be
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  spelled out in just this very easy, digestible, understandable
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  way, right? And right, they're just sort of
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  sitting around waiting for that. And if somebody doesn't give
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  them that, then it's, well, no, they could not be gay.
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  Absolutely not. Because Kurt police sat down and
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  said it. And it was like, well, we
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  already knew he was gay from the way he talked, from his interest
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  in fashion and musical theater, from the way he presented
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  himself, from the way he dressed.
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  We knew he was gay before he came out as gay on the show.
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  So like even that example that's not true, you knew that was a
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  gay kid. Everybody on this planet knew
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  that Kurt was a gay character right before he came out as
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  getting it would. Have been wrong to say that
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  right I guess until it's spelled out in like a sit down emotional
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  kind of like traumatic conversation.
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  Right. And and very spelled out and put
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  into simple terms for them of like I am gay or I am bisexual
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  or I am a lesbian. That's all they'll take.
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  Even though there's there's thousands if not millions of
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  different ways to communicate that.
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  Right. And then it needs to be a very
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  specific, clear label and not just like I'm interested in
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  girls I'm. Or I'm, I'm Ariana Grande went
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  on Twitter and said I don't label myself like she fucks
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  women. Like that's just true.
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  You know what I mean? She had that.
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  Like women and men. Yeah, and it's just, she said.
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  I haven't felt the need to put a label on my sexuality.
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  Great. So you're like, you're not
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  straight. Yeah, you're under the umbrella
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  of not straight, right? Yeah, totally.
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  And then people. Drag her for like queerbait and
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  it's like, no, she just wanted to kiss a woman in her music
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  video. That was not supposed to be
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  titillating for men. That was titillating to her.
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  I just. She's like please can I kiss a
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  girl on the. Pool please right.
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  And then on tour she fucking like humps a girl on the table
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  and I was just like bro anyway. Right.
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  No, I totally agree. Something that like I remember
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  listening to your past episodes on that was so interesting.
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  And I'm sure you'll get into this was like the timeline of
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  when Taylor wrote these songs and the fact that when she wrote
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  those, she was like with Diana in LA or I'm sure you'll get
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  into all that, but. So let's jump to the timeline
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  now. We had Taylor out with some of
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  the good cast well before she started hanging out with Diana.
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  So I in my long timeline, I kind of make note of that, but I
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  don't think it's really important.
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  But you know, people thought she dated like Corey Monteith for a
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  second. I don't think she did, but they
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  did hang out a little bit. But Taylor and Diana officially
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  meet as far as we know that we have photos of in fall of 2011.
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  So not too long after that short gate incident at the Fairfax
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  flea markets with mutual friend Ashley Avignon.
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  Yeah, I believe Ashley is the one who introduced them.
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  Ashley is an OG Taylor friend. I think she was Emma Stone's
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  stylist and met Taylor through that way.
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  And they've become friends ever since then.
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  And then or Ashley also just might have been an assistant to
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  a stylist, I'm not sure, but I believe Ashley was the assistant
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  to Diana's stylist. So Ashley introduced these
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  people. And Ashley is still friends with
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  Taylor to this day. She hangs out with her still
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  like somewhat regularly and is around.
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  Chiefs games and stuff, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  So you get, you'd love to see that she's an OG.
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  She's not famous, she doesn't have any big platform or
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  anything, but she's just one of Taylor's oldest friends.
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  So we love Ashley around here, but Taylor and Dana did not
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  spend any real any time together other than that event
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  significantly that we can tell until the spring of 2012.
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  And that makes sense because Taylor's wrapping up the Speak
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  Now tour. So that ended in like February
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  or early March of 2012. And then she gets back to LA and
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  guess who she starts hanging out with like constantly?
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  It's Diana. And so we get them.
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  They're going to the movies together real low key.
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  They're never calling the packs on themselves, which is
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  interesting. You'd think, given that, you
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  know, Diana's in this musical show and Taylor's song has been
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  sung on Glee. They sing mean on Glee at some
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  point. You'd think there'd be like a
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  little cross promo, but that never happens, right?
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  It would have been smart for it too, but they never did that.
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  They hang out with in a group with Claire Windsor and Ashley
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  Avignon a lot. And Claire is another long time
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  friend of Taylor's, and it's still in Taylor's life too, but
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  Diana's not. So yeah, What happened to the
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  girl again? What?
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  Happened. It's interesting that all the
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  girls that she has like dating rumors with she's not like still
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  friends with. Right, right.
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  A love story starts on Red and and there's a set of songs that
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  was written in 2010, 2011, all the breakup songs, all the angry
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  songs. For the most part, those are all
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  written well before she met Diana.
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  And some people don't understand that.
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  So they think, yeah, it's funny if you look at the copyright
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  dates. And the good thing about Red is
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  we know when she wrote like every song on the album.
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  We've got copyright dates, we've got interviews, we've got her Co
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  writers giving interviews and saying, Oh yeah, we wrote this
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  then. And so you kind of know, like,
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  OK, Taylor went through a breakup.
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  I think it's what Jake Gyllenhaal.
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  Some people might think otherwise, but I am a buyler.
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  But and then, you know, whatever she piddles around.
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  Think she has like a couple dates with Will Anderson in 2011
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  that inspires begin again. But then we get to the spring of
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  2012, and Taylor's falling in love with someone because we're
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  getting a ton of love songs. So let's talk about those love
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  songs and see if we can pinpoint the muse.
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  Because what's interesting is this person she falls in love
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  with, she very obviously breaks up with on 1989 and we get
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  references back to the songs, which is funny because some of
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  these red songs like 1989 is supposed to be the Harry Styles
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  album. I mean, it's got a song called
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  Style on it, right? It's got to be all about Harry.
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  But it seems to reference this person that she fell in love
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  with in the spring of 2012. Now what is annoying is she was
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  alleged to spend a little time with Harry in that spring.
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  There's a brief 2 week period where, oh right, Harry and
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  Taylor, they're an item and then he cheats on her.
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  And so there's there's a little of that that it's like, no, OK,
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  it could have been about Harry. But when you really drill into
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  the timeline, no, it can't because she's writing these
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  falling in love songs after he's already cheated on her.
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  So like, why would, you know, why would that be a thing?
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  So these are all supposed to be about, I guess, Connor Kennedy.
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  And some are supposed to be like, oh, this is about Jake.
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  But when they first met and she just wrote it later.
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  So there's a little of that going on.
• 19:03
  But it's almost just like, gosh, wouldn't it be simple if there
• 19:06
  was one person that Taylor was consistently seen with in the
• 19:08
  spring and summer of 2012 that matched that?
• 19:12
  Maybe they have green eyes and freckles that matches all the
• 19:15
  symbols of this muse. And they spent time in New York
• 19:17
  and London. And we'll drill all this out.
• 19:18
  We'll get into all of this. But like, wouldn't it make sense
• 19:21
  that there was like one person that she hung out with in the
• 19:23
  spring of 2012 and then she stopped hanging out with them
• 19:26
  by, you know, 2014 when 1989 gets written And they were there
• 19:31
  and then they weren't. And the songs all match, right?
• 19:34
  It's It's almost like it would be way simpler if it was just
• 19:36
  about one person. I remember there were so many
• 19:39
  people, like, I think despite the fact that she's lit, he
• 19:43
  literally doesn't have green eyes and freckles and that this
• 19:45
  matches Diane Agron, that all the media is like, oh, this is
• 19:49
  this could be about him still, which doesn't make any sense.
• 19:54
  But yeah, like, if you actually go into the timeline, like it
• 19:57
  can't be about Jake Gyllenhaal. It was after had broken up, and
• 20:01
  very publicly so. It's funny, like, I knew You
• 20:04
  Were Trouble. It's supposed to be about Harry
• 20:05
  Styles. The album came out before they
• 20:08
  were dating. Now they had that little two
• 20:10
  week period and the liner noticed when you saw me dancing
• 20:13
  And and they met at the Kids Choice Awards while Taylor
• 20:17
  danced to What Makes You Beautiful by One Direction.
• 20:21
  And this article went out about Justin Bieber.
• 20:23
  And he's saying, oh, I know Taylor Swift is in love with
• 20:25
  someone really famous. It was very like, OK, like
• 20:28
  there's going to be a Halo other PR situation.
• 20:31
  And then it kind of messed up because Harry kissed this girl
• 20:33
  while he's out on tour. And OK, so allegedly like, they
• 20:37
  have this big breakup. And then but it's just it again,
• 20:42
  it makes sense if all the breakup songs on Red were about
• 20:44
  someone from her past. Jake Gyllenhaal, Martin Johnson,
• 20:47
  Liz Hewitt, if you like. Yeah.
• 20:49
  Julian Huff, if you like, you know, any of that.
• 20:52
  And then wouldn't it make sense if, OK, those are all written
• 20:56
  like 2011, 2012, maybe early 2012, but then in the spring she
• 21:00
  falls in love and wouldn't make sense if that's about somebody
• 21:02
  else because of the timeline, Yeah.
• 21:04
  Right, like she like and all the songs aren't like, oh, we fell
• 21:08
  back in love like it's a new person.
• 21:10
  Yeah, it's someone she barely, you know, she's only just
• 21:12
  getting to know, right. So let's talk about some of
• 21:15
  these songs. First and foremost, let's talk
• 21:17
  about comeback be here. So we know Comeback We Were Here
• 21:20
  was written in spring of 2012 because her Co writer Dan Wilson
• 21:24
  said while he was giving a performance, he played
• 21:26
  Treacherous and he said me and Taylor wrote this song and the
• 21:29
  other song we did together, which was Comeback Be Here in
• 21:31
  the spring of 2012. He basically kind of spells that
• 21:34
  out. So what did Taylor say about
• 21:36
  Comeback Be Here? She said it's about falling for
• 21:38
  someone and then they have to go away for work.
• 21:41
  Taylor laments that her new love is in New York without her and
• 21:44
  then in London without her. So obviously Connor Kennedy is
• 21:47
  one of the alleged muses for Red.
• 21:51
  He it can't be about him. He was in high school at this
• 21:54
  point. He didn't travel for work.
• 21:56
  He was a, he's a minor when she wrote this song, right?
• 22:00
  And they had not met yet. So they met in the summer.
• 22:02
  So this can't be about Connor. It's written in spring.
• 22:05
  And again, he's in high school, so he has to go to chemistry
• 22:09
  class. He can't, you know, he's not out
• 22:11
  travelling. He's in algebra.
• 22:12
  Yeah, right, right, right. So it also doesn't line up to be
• 22:16
  about her alleged brief spring playing with Harry Styles,
• 22:19
  because during the two weeks they were supposedly linked,
• 22:22
  they he went to New York City, but only for one day without
• 22:25
  her. And then she went to New York
• 22:27
  City, but she went with Diana anyway.
• 22:31
  And then he goes to Australia, so he doesn't have a stop in
• 22:34
  London. So I guess you're in London
• 22:36
  today. Can't fit him.
• 22:39
  Diana, however, was both in London and New York City without
• 22:42
  Taylor a couple times for work for Glee related stuff.
• 22:45
  She did some talk shows in New York City.
• 22:47
  She went to London with the Glee cast and that happened a couple
• 22:51
  times in spring and early summer of 2012.
• 22:55
  There are also queer vibes and themes in this song.
• 22:58
  So if I had known what I know now, I never would have played
• 23:03
  so nonchalant. Come on.
• 23:04
  Does that not just sound like you found out someone's queer
• 23:08
  and now you know they're an option?
• 23:09
  Like, have you ever had that experience?
• 23:11
  Yes, absolutely. Where you find out like later
• 23:16
  and you're like, well shit. You're like, wait a minute,
• 23:19
  maybe this vibe between us is not just a friend's thing.
• 23:22
  Yeah, it takes a queer person to, like, understand a lot of
• 23:26
  these things of kind of like the secret between you 2 and kind of
• 23:30
  like, is this something more than friends and keeping a
• 23:35
  secret from the rest of friend group?
• 23:37
  She says that in the very first night, she's like, our friends
• 23:41
  don't know in the back of the car in LA And that is such a
• 23:45
  queer experience, but is obviously not loud enough for
• 23:48
  straight people to like, understand.
• 23:50
  It's not saying like, like you said, like the Glee thing of
• 23:52
  like I'm gay, but it's like these common relatable themes
• 23:58
  that make sense and like you can envision like you're with this
• 24:03
  girl group and you and this one girl have kind of more than a
• 24:07
  friendship, but it's not really out loud and like it's
• 24:10
  confusing. And that's so.
• 24:13
  I also like it's so cute how young they are too.
• 24:17
  Like it's just so relatable. Yeah, I mean, Taylor's 22 When
• 24:20
  All This is Happening, 22 is another song.
• 24:23
  I don't even have it on the outline because I wanted to cut
• 24:25
  for time. But you know, Diana's the muse
• 24:27
  of 22. She's her name's literally in
• 24:29
  the liner notes. And of course, 22 started out as
• 24:32
  a love song, right? So we have the early lyrics of
• 24:35
  that and it's very much not just about hanging out with your
• 24:39
  friends. And there is like someone that
• 24:41
  has caught her eye and she's like feeling, you know, hazy
• 24:44
  about and confused about. So that's interesting.
• 24:47
  All these songs that someone she's running around with late
• 24:49
  at night now this and and every song right and come back to
• 24:53
  hear. It's like, you know, you, you
• 24:54
  set it at 4:00 AM or whatever. Why?
• 24:56
  Who is she up with at 4:00 AM and why?
• 24:58
  Now, we know Taylor's an insomniac, but the Glee cast
• 25:02
  also kept crazy hours. So they're getting off set at
• 25:05
  like, you know, one or 2:00 AM in the morning.
• 25:08
  And then if they have any time to socialize, I guess that's it
• 25:11
  would happen late at night. You and also just the cover of
• 25:14
  darkness. You know, maybe Taylor wants to
• 25:16
  go over to Diana's house. Not the worst thing in the world
• 25:18
  for her to leave her house in the middle of the night and
• 25:20
  drive over there. And we talked about this in
• 25:23
  treacherous, you know, they're nothing safe is worth the drive.
• 25:26
  The the headlights are shining through the night.
• 25:28
  She's driving around at night with this person.
• 25:30
  And it would be good if like the paps maybe didn't catch her
• 25:33
  leaving her mansion in LA. Actually, she was only in the
• 25:36
  house at that point, but her house in LA headed over to like
• 25:39
  Diana's house. So she's this is the falling in
• 25:43
  love muse of bread is very much someone she's sneaking around
• 25:46
  with at night. And she's only kind of just
• 25:48
  gotten to know them in every song.
• 25:50
  They're sort of like, Oh my God, you know, I just want to know
• 25:53
  you better now or and we'll get to all these specific lyrics,
• 25:56
  but I know something new. If I'd known what I know now.
• 25:59
  And it's something that she feels like conflicted and very
• 26:03
  gay about. So we'll get to some of those
• 26:05
  more lyrics. But again, treacherous, like
• 26:07
  you're calling love treacherous. That's such a that's weird,
• 26:10
  right? That's weird if it's just the
• 26:12
  men and women. Why is it so dangerous and
• 26:15
  treacherous? Like why is there conflict to
• 26:17
  solve? Wasn't there like a reported
• 26:19
  time where like Taylor was like going over the Glee set all the
• 26:22
  time and all the Glee cast members were like why is Taylor
• 26:24
  here all the. Time yes, so there is an
• 26:27
  interview from Kevin McHale on his podcast with Jenna Uskowitz
• 26:32
  and they're talking about a an episode that was filmed in 2014,
• 26:36
  like early 2014. So that's kind of interesting
• 26:39
  where Kevin was on set alone and somebody's like, Kevin, Taylor
• 26:45
  Swift is here to see you. And Taylor was like filming
• 26:48
  something in the set over like some award show or something or
• 26:51
  something. And, you know, Kevin says, oh,
• 26:55
  she just dropped by to see who was there.
• 26:58
  And it's like, OK. That's so excellent.
• 27:00
  Who were you trying to see? She's like, oh, I'm just
• 27:02
  stopping by to see. Yeah.
• 27:05
  Yeah, likewise, you know, a lot of the cast have been like, oh,
• 27:09
  we know Taylor, you know? Oh yeah, we know Taylor.
• 27:11
  And it's just like, OK, I guess you do, you know?
• 27:14
  Just interesting. Comeback be here is a great fit
• 27:16
  for Diana because again, this whole I guess you're in New
• 27:21
  York, I guess you're in London. That works.
• 27:23
  She that works, right? So and.
• 27:25
  It doesn't work with anyone else.
• 27:27
  Right. And it also seems to be about
• 27:29
  the same thing that everything is strange is about.
• 27:31
  Because if I'd known what I know now, I never would have played
• 27:33
  so nonchalant. The feeling you can know so much
• 27:36
  without knowing anything at all. What, what is it?
• 27:39
  What does Taylor know about this person she met in 2012?
• 27:42
  That's so important because in everything has changed.
• 27:45
  I know something now that I didn't before, and I just want
• 27:48
  to know you better now. What, what, what is it?
• 27:51
  What it This muse has something about them that that Taylor
• 27:55
  needs to know before she's interested in them?
• 27:59
  Now, I'm not saying, you know, it couldn't be like, oh, a guy
• 28:01
  that's equally interested in her or something.
• 28:02
  I'm not saying it couldn't be that.
• 28:04
  But it just like, yeah, that this person is queer and
• 28:07
  therefore an option for you to date that could really fit.
• 28:10
  Well, let's talk about Treacherous.
• 28:12
  Also written in the spring of 2012 with Dan Wilson.
• 28:16
  And we know that from dance quotes.
• 28:18
  This song is just extremely gay. There's nothing in the song
• 28:20
  where it's like green eyes or freckles or you're in New York
• 28:23
  that like matches up. But let's just talk about how
• 28:26
  queer this song is. Couple choice lyrics.
• 28:28
  This slope is treacherous. This this path is reckless.
• 28:33
  This slope is treacherous. I can't decide if it's a choice
• 28:36
  getting swept away. What's so dangerous?
• 28:40
  Why? Why is it a slope?
• 28:42
  Like you're falling? Like Taylor is 22 years old.
• 28:44
  She's a young, beautiful white woman.
• 28:47
  What is the drama Now, I know Taylor's theatrical, right?
• 28:50
  She's kind of, she's hyperbolic. So I'm not saying you know, but
• 28:55
  what is the fucking drama? Right, right.
• 28:58
  And if you choose to go down this path, it's almost like it's
• 29:00
  irreversible. Yeah, your lips close to mine.
• 29:04
  As long as they don't touch. Are you kidding me?
• 29:09
  How many times you're a gay woman?
• 29:11
  I'm a gay woman. How many times have you just,
• 29:13
  like, had maybe that friend or that person that, OK, maybe it's
• 29:16
  going to happen with? Maybe it's not.
• 29:18
  And it's just like, maybe you're in a group and you're just
• 29:20
  staring each other. You're like at a bar, sitting
• 29:23
  next to each other at a bar and you're just like right there.
• 29:25
  You're talking to each other and you're just like.
• 29:28
  And you can let it know that there's tension.
• 29:30
  It's this like knowing, feeling electricity, Right?
• 29:34
  Right. Yeah.
• 29:35
  It's the knowing. And she knows that.
• 29:36
  She knows that, too, but no one's really talking about it.
• 29:40
  And that if their lips touch, then there's something they have
• 29:43
  to figure out. It's just the gayest lying.
• 29:46
  It's so gay. Furthermore, I'll do anything
• 29:49
  you say if you say it with your hands.
• 29:53
  Now, first of all, kind of sounds like a lesbian sex act a
• 29:56
  little bit, right? But we don't even, we don't even
• 29:58
  have to get pervy with it if we don't want to.
• 30:00
  We can and I will. But like, we don't have to.
• 30:03
  I wrote an essay. I'm going to take you to 2008,
• 30:08
  my freshman year of college at Auburn University.
• 30:11
  Our teacher gave us an assignment to write about an
• 30:14
  essay about language, and I got special permission from her to
• 30:18
  not have to have my essay. Like, we had like a little peer
• 30:21
  review where we'd read our essays to each other because I
• 30:25
  wrote it about the language between me and my first
• 30:28
  girlfriend and how we would just like, hold hands and like,
• 30:33
  stroke each other's like, palms and like, whatever when we were
• 30:36
  like in 8th grade and this sort of unspoken touching that
• 30:42
  happened between our hands. I actually wish I could find
• 30:45
  this paper because it's just like, I wrote this paper before
• 30:48
  I knew Swift Grind was a thing. I wrote this paper before that
• 30:51
  Treacherous was written. I literally did.
• 30:54
  Did Taylor Swift find the paper? And she's like, whoa, right?
• 30:58
  She's like, wow, this is me and Diana Agron to a tee.
• 31:00
  But just this idea of like, we can't speak this aloud.
• 31:04
  You can't actually kiss me. Say it with your hands.
• 31:07
  You can't say it with your mouth.
• 31:09
  Are you kidding me? Yeah.
• 31:11
  You can't say it out loud. You can't almost like admit what
• 31:14
  you're feeling because it's treacherous.
• 31:17
  Right. And nothing safe is worth the
• 31:19
  drive. You know, we've already talked
• 31:23
  gay as hell. Gay as thing to say.
• 31:25
  Yeah. And then I will get you alone.
• 31:27
  First of all, kind of threatening, but actually.
• 31:31
  Is she going to get you alone, away from the Glee cast?
• 31:34
  Yeah, and away from, you know, we were going to get away from
• 31:37
  Ashley and Claire for at least an hour so we can make it out,
• 31:40
  right? She's sneaking around at night
• 31:42
  with this person in Treacherous and oh, that's what she was
• 31:45
  doing with the same person in Comeback Be Here.
• 31:47
  But we're told this is about two different people.
• 31:50
  Comeback Be Here is like maybe allegedly about Harry.
• 31:53
  Some people say it's about Zac Efron, Right.
• 31:55
  There's no like hardcore like Clear Muse, but Treacherous is
• 32:01
  like the fandom consensus. And I believe Taylor gave a
• 32:05
  quote where she was like, oh, it's about the beginning of a
• 32:07
  relationship. And then I knew Your Trouble is
• 32:09
  about the end of the same relationship.
• 32:11
  But why does it have so much in common with all these other
• 32:16
  muses? The comeback be here music,
• 32:17
  she's sneaking around at night and she's really nervous about
• 32:19
  the relationship. Exact same thing is happening in
• 32:20
  Treacherous. Let's talk about everything has
• 32:22
  changed. So.
• 32:24
  According to Taylor, Everything Has Changed was written about
• 32:26
  two weeks after she met Ed Sheeran.
• 32:28
  She said. We were sitting on my trampoline
• 32:30
  and it was a couple weeks after we first met and I was just
• 32:32
  singing the I Just want to Know You Better Now refrain and they
• 32:36
  start working on the song. So they met on May 15th, 2012.
• 32:40
  So 2 weeks after that, you know, it's written very early June,
• 32:44
  late May maybe Taylor does not meet Connor Kennedy until July
• 32:49
  of 2012 and they don't start dating till the end of the month
• 32:52
  because they had to wait till he was 18, right?
• 32:54
  Of course, as you do when you're 22 with your 18 year old
• 32:57
  boyfriend that is going into his senior year of high school.
• 33:00
  I think this song is about a very specific event.
• 33:05
  In March of 2012, Taylor and Diana went to The Hunger Games
• 33:09
  movie premiere and they're there.
• 33:12
  They're low key. No press is called, even though
• 33:14
  Taylor literally has a song on the soundtrack.
• 33:16
  She has two songs on the South sound, right?
• 33:20
  The other one. And it's just crazy that Taylor
• 33:23
  wouldn't go to her premiere with her famous friends like a red
• 33:27
  carpet kind of situation. They could have gone to any of
• 33:29
  them. No, Taylor and Diana go.
• 33:31
  Now the the other girls may have been there, but the pictures we
• 33:33
  have are from fans and they only took pictures of Taylor and
• 33:36
  Diana, but they go. There's no red carpet.
• 33:38
  It's literally a Sunday matinee, by the way, it actually was a
• 33:43
  matinee on a it's. Also so gay to go see The Hunger
• 33:45
  Games. The Hunger Games.
• 33:46
  I don't know how to explain it, but The Hunger Games is so gay.
• 33:49
  Well, it's like it's fantasy, right?
• 33:51
  And Taylor wrote the her songs are fanfic.
• 33:54
  Yeah. She's writing fanfic like OK
• 33:56
  Lesbian with your Tumblr. Her like barefoot with like a
• 34:00
  lace dress in the woods. It's so gay.
• 34:03
  It's folklore before folklore. Yes, that's that is actually
• 34:06
  such a good point. And then of course, I hit the
• 34:08
  Sunday matinee is in the one. So maybe not related, but just
• 34:14
  interesting to point out. Yeah, very well could be.
• 34:17
  But guess what it did on that day in March when they went to
• 34:21
  see The Hunger Games? It poured rain, but guess what?
• 34:25
  It never rains in Lai actually went through the record the the
• 34:28
  weather records of every. Oh my God.
• 34:31
  Place Taylor we. Are a scientist.
• 34:33
  Yes, and the basically there's like one or two times, but it
• 34:37
  like rains again in LA later, but Taylor's not there.
• 34:39
  She's in Nashville. And so like it's hard to know
• 34:42
  for sure, but the only time I have Taylor somewhere it's
• 34:45
  raining that whole spring and summer is this day.
• 34:49
  And of course, what does everything has changed?
• 34:51
  Say all I know is pouring rain and everything has changed.
• 34:56
  And, like, I bet it rain that day because that's the first
• 34:59
  time they ever hung out that we know of, right?
• 35:02
  And I went and looked and it did.
• 35:04
  I, like, predicted it. And then it did.
• 35:06
  And I was like, yeah, because that song's fucking about Diana,
• 35:09
  right? That's fucking crazy.
• 35:12
  That's just crazy that you found the rain records, right, of it
• 35:17
  raining. Yeah.
• 35:18
  And also just like the whole theme of everything has changed
• 35:21
  is she's bad in so many, Like not so many, but like like
• 35:25
  different relationships at this point.
• 35:29
  What is so different about this? Why has it changed everything
• 35:34
  for her? And what do you know now?
• 35:37
  I mean, we've said it before, but it bears repeating.
• 35:40
  What do you know that you didn't know before that's so important,
• 35:43
  and now you just want to know the better.
• 35:45
  And the first time she's hanging out with Diana, it pours rain.
• 35:48
  And it never rains in LA. Like it really doesn't there's.
• 35:51
  More to everything that's changed though, of course we
• 35:54
  have the line. All I've seen since 18 hours ago
• 35:57
  is green eyes, your freckles and your smile.
• 35:59
  OK, Diana has green eyes and she has a light dusting of freckles.
• 36:03
  Her makeup covers them up a lot, but there's a few hot HD photos
• 36:07
  floating around out there and you can see she has a proper
• 36:09
  little dusting of freckles. And of course, she has a smile,
• 36:12
  too, so that fits. Diana tweeted about everything
• 36:17
  has changed. When the album dropped, she
• 36:19
  screenshotted it, and she was in Paris or France filming for a
• 36:23
  movie called The Family that was shot on location in France.
• 36:26
  And she said, like, oh, I'm really proud of you, Taylor.
• 36:28
  Something like that. We're having a listening party
• 36:30
  in the trailer, and the French are digging it, too.
• 36:32
  And the picture she tweets is everything has changed.
• 36:35
  And it's odd because she literally has a song on this
• 36:39
  album dedicated to her, and it's 22.
• 36:42
  Why'd she tweet about everything has changed?
• 36:44
  That's kind of weird. Right.
• 36:47
  Suspicious right? Lastly, the liner note in the
• 36:51
  album is misspelled. Now some people think this is
• 36:55
  reached. Some people think this is like
• 36:56
  stone cold evidence. So I'm kind of neutral on it.
• 36:59
  Whatever it's interesting, but Hyannis port Hyannis is spelled
• 37:04
  wrong. So that's the liner note.
• 37:06
  It has an I added in before the a So Hyannis is usually spelled
• 37:09
  Hyannis, but when she spells it in the liner note is she spells
• 37:17
  it HYIANN. Of course, Diana's name is
• 37:21
  spelled Dianna. So this center IANN people, some
• 37:28
  people think she included that it's and it's sort of like a
• 37:33
  play on Diana's name or just like a little joke about, you
• 37:36
  know, Hyannis port. Of course, she did go to Hyannis
• 37:39
  port with Diana, right? People forgot, people forget
• 37:43
  that Diana was there. There's like pictures of them on
• 37:46
  the dock. And the media was just like,
• 37:50
  anyways, Connor Kennedy. I really do believe that the
• 37:54
  misspell is on purpose just because like she when she does
• 37:58
  Easter eggs and when she first started doing Easter eggs in her
• 38:01
  albums, it was all about like capitalizing the letters and
• 38:04
  like creating a code. And I think that's intentional.
• 38:09
  She's, she had already been doing it.
• 38:12
  She knew how to spell the word. And she has a, she has, she
• 38:20
  continuously misspells words on purpose.
• 38:22
  I mean, like, this is a Kaler thing, but like, or Karlie Kloss
• 38:27
  misspelled Taylor's name and it was like Taylor, Yeah.
• 38:30
  And then she said my name is whatever you decide.
• 38:33
  Right. I just think that's interesting.
• 38:37
  Even if you went out and bought like a red CD in 2015, 2016,
• 38:40
  somebody came to the blog and they were like, I got mine in
• 38:42
  2018 and it still says that. So make of that one she does.
• 38:48
  She does correct stuff when people like call her out, like
• 38:50
  remember when she. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:53
  And then she also removed spelling is fun from me when
• 38:57
  people didn't like that, like from recording, which I feel
• 39:00
  like she should have kept but whatever.
• 39:02
  Yeah, spelling is fun. I know people dragged that so
• 39:05
  much. Yeah, several times the anti
• 39:07
  hero music video when she used the word fat, which, you know,
• 39:11
  honestly, maybe isn't her word to be thrown around so loosely,
• 39:14
  although it is of course her personal experience, right?
• 39:17
  But she took it out after people sort of had a problem with that.
• 39:20
  So it's just like, well, she can go back and correct a music
• 39:22
  video or correct a song. Why wouldn't she fix this?
• 39:26
  You know, people pointed it out and she never did.
• 39:28
  So it does like maybe it is intentional, right?
• 39:31
  Yeah, it seems like a point. And also just we've talked about
• 39:36
  it, but there's queer themes in the song, this anxiety, this
• 39:38
  like magic thing that she knows now that makes them, this person
• 39:41
  more accessible to her. What's that all about?
• 39:44
  Right? I also think there's some
• 39:46
  reference tonight in the song. I don't have the exact note, but
• 39:48
  like, I think this is someone she like is self late talking to
• 39:51
  or you know what have you. And it used to be more simple to
• 39:55
  talk about the red songs, but then we got the vault tracks,
• 39:57
  and there's so much vault track Diana on this message in a
• 40:02
  bottle. Is very interesting because
• 40:06
  this, you know, is a song. It's the first song she wrote
• 40:09
  with Max Martin Scheelback. We know she was working with
• 40:11
  them for the first time in the summer.
• 40:13
  So we know that, right? And we're back to the freckled
• 40:16
  muse with captivating green eyes.
• 40:19
  And you would think that this is the everything is changed muse
• 40:22
  because it says green eyes, your freckles and your smile.
• 40:25
  And then, of course, in this song, she said, I became
• 40:26
  hypnotized by freckles and bright eyes.
• 40:29
  So the freckles person is back, and of course we've established
• 40:35
  Diana's freckles and green eyes. But Taylor asked how is it in
• 40:38
  London? And she's missing them while
• 40:41
  they're in London. This seems to confirm this.
• 40:43
  Muse has that in common with the comeback Be here muse.
• 40:46
  And This is why I say, wouldn't it be simpler?
• 40:48
  If the this was not a smattering of songs about Jake Gyllenhaal,
• 40:51
  Harry Styles, Connor Kennedy and maybe Zac Efron?
• 40:54
  Wouldn't it be simpler if it was just about the same green eyed
• 40:59
  person that Taylor seems to be spending a lot of time with and
• 41:02
  fixated on in 2012 Summer and spring?
• 41:07
  And of course we established Diana spent time in London
• 41:09
  without Taylor. So she's asking how is it in
• 41:11
  London? It's because Taylor's not in
• 41:12
  London and this person is. Diana fits that.
• 41:15
  Harry does not. Connor certainly doesn't.
• 41:17
  J, you know J Gyllenhaal doesn't have freckles, right?
• 41:20
  So and then there's also the line about replaying your
• 41:25
  laughter disaster here. I'm going to give you a little
• 41:27
  tweet exchange between Taylor and Diana.
• 41:29
  So Taylor said, went to get coffee today.
• 41:32
  Open my change purse seashells fell out.
• 41:35
  Barista goes, sorry, we only take cash or credit.
• 41:37
  So there's that and Diana replies to Taylor at like a
• 41:41
  little sip like a little, you know, I don't know, bottom maybe
• 41:47
  she says, I can't stop laughing. I can't stop.
• 41:51
  And of course, Diana is kind of famous for having this big,
• 41:53
  bold, loud laugh. So replaying your laughter
• 41:55
  disaster, that's giving those vibes.
• 41:59
  But these tweets? Of like Diana and like you can
• 42:04
  really see how down bad Diana is.
• 42:07
  Truly, she's always tweeting at Taylor.
• 42:09
  She still follows her tweet. Replying and like Twitter like
• 42:12
  Taylor like doesn't even like reply and Diana.
• 42:14
  Taylor never tweets about Diana. Diana's just always like,
• 42:17
  standing her. Now, Taylor did post Diana to
• 42:19
  Instagram some, but Diana's just like her reply got on Twitter.
• 42:22
  It's so cute. She still follows her, or at
• 42:24
  least she did like, I don't know, back in 2021, like last
• 42:26
  time I looked, she still follows her.
• 42:28
  I loved that. And she only follows, like, 10
• 42:29
  people, so that's fun. There are queer vibes in this
• 42:34
  song as well. I'm reaching for you terrified.
• 42:38
  Like, girl, calm down. I need you to like, calm down.
• 42:41
  What is so high stakes? What is so scary and confusing
• 42:45
  and crazy about this love, Right?
• 42:47
  And then she said, I know that you like me.
• 42:50
  And it's kind of frightening. It's so cute and it's so.
• 42:55
  Gay it is. Yeah.
• 42:56
  Yeah. It feels like almost more
• 42:59
  immature than how she had been writing on Speak Now.
• 43:04
  And I think there's something like, giddy about, like, being
• 43:09
  with a girl that kind of brings out, like, your inner child,
• 43:13
  kind of like hanging out with, like, a girl best friend.
• 43:15
  It seems so much more like cute about it and like scared about
• 43:19
  it than she was when maybe she was writing about like, Jake
• 43:22
  Gyllenhaal. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:24
  Well, it's interesting. Even on the breakup songs I'm
• 43:26
  read, this is something heavy. This is something Taylor sat
• 43:30
  with for a long time. And, you know, there is like an
• 43:33
  evolved. I mean, All Too Well is one of
• 43:35
  her best songs because it is such an evolved, you know,
• 43:38
  thoughtful, mature take on a relationship ending and also
• 43:42
  very relatable. But then we come to this and
• 43:45
  it's like, I know you like me. I'm so scared.
• 43:47
  And it's like, OK, well, we're in a different.
• 43:49
  We're in a different order. Yeah, it's not that person that
• 43:52
  she's talking about. Yeah, for.
• 43:54
  Sure, nautical theme of message in a bottle, which of course,
• 43:57
  like that's a thing, right? People would put a little scroll
• 44:00
  in a glass bottle and send it off to the world.
• 44:02
  That's something that happens at the ocean seems to echo the
• 44:05
  coastal town vibes of Hyannis Port, which of course Hyannis is
• 44:09
  everything has changed muse. So, you know, there's some
• 44:12
  crossover there and the nautical themes that are rampant in 1989.
• 44:17
  We have all sorts of beach themes that come up in the music
• 44:20
  video and the song This Love, which also the timeline for This
• 44:24
  Love fits really well for Diana. It's not in this outline, but
• 44:26
  there's so much, there's so much, but we're just we're
• 44:28
  sticking to a few things here. But and we know Taylor worked on
• 44:32
  the song in the summer because of working on it with Martin and
• 44:34
  Shellback, right? The very first night.
• 44:36
  I didn't even do a full analysis for this, but I just want to say
• 44:39
  it's super swift ground coded as well.
• 44:40
  They spent time in hotels together.
• 44:42
  They threw a tea party for Shirley Mckinney's birthday.
• 44:45
  There's very much queer vibes. They don't know this is like a,
• 44:48
  you know, they don't know how much I miss you.
• 44:49
  They don't know we're still talking like this is a secret
• 44:51
  relationship. And I think it fits in the
• 44:53
  timeline really well because Diana had to go to Paris for
• 44:55
  three months at the end of the summer.
• 44:57
  And like whatever their their connection was, was it official?
• 45:00
  Was it not? I feel like, you know, they
• 45:03
  weren't spending any time together and it could have been
• 45:05
  like a break, if you will. And I don't even know if they
• 45:08
  had like, I don't even half the time I'm like, I don't even
• 45:11
  think they knew what they were doing.
• 45:13
  I think they were just like hooking up and falling in love
• 45:15
  and they didn't know what to call it or they're not.
• 45:16
  I don't think they're monogamous like girlfriend, girlfriend.
• 45:20
  I think there's like. So too, right, I think like when
• 45:23
  a lot of the times when people like listen to Taylor Swift or
• 45:26
  like anyone, anyone singing like any of these lyrics, we assume
• 45:29
  that these are like full-fledged relationships and like we have
• 45:32
  right? Like they weren't necessarily
• 45:34
  like fully dating. And I think a lot of the times
• 45:37
  when you're kind of like figuring out your sexuality and
• 45:39
  like, especially when it's like a girl in your friend group,
• 45:42
  it's like, what is this? Seems like there's a lot of
• 45:45
  confusion there. What do you think about like, we
• 45:48
  don't have time to get into all this, but the Connor Kennedy
• 45:51
  situation, Like, do you think that they were dating or do you
• 45:54
  think that that was kind of like like a courting of like two
• 45:57
  families, like the Kennedys and like, like, what do you think
• 45:59
  that was? I have mixed feelings on this.
• 46:03
  So for a long time I was like I guess she just fucking dated him
• 46:08
  and it wasn't deep and it was mostly because she was obsessed
• 46:11
  with the Kennedys. And like I still think the love
• 46:14
  songs are by Dana but sure. I mean they hung out together,
• 46:16
  they went to wedding, they crash a wedding together and got
• 46:19
  kicked out of it. Like she signed him out of
• 46:22
  school once that actually happened, she went to his
• 46:27
  mother's grave with him. So it's just like, well, they
• 46:30
  were spending time together. But then I got some information
• 46:33
  that made me think like I'm sure they were friends, but like, no,
• 46:38
  I don't think they dated. And it's just it's hard to say,
• 46:44
  but I do think she needed a green eyed muse for the summer
• 46:48
  for everything has changed. And I think she was just like,
• 46:51
  yeah, the fine, he's fun. We have fun together.
• 46:54
  It's Kennedy. And I don't know, like, did they
• 46:56
  go make out sometime? Maybe Like it's hard to put it
• 46:59
  all when. Has that ever meant anything?
• 47:01
  Right like I hope she wasn't sleeping with him cuz he was a
• 47:04
  child but I. Really, really hope.
• 47:07
  Right, I don't have the strongest feelings on it one way
• 47:10
  or another. And if you told me they had
• 47:12
  crushes on each other and Spencer, I'd be OK.
• 47:14
  Fine. Yeah, it could be full-fledged
• 47:16
  PR. I don't know.
• 47:18
  I don't have the strongest feelings on that one, but I
• 47:20
  just. I don't think these love songs
• 47:21
  are about him. I will say that pretty confident
• 47:24
  because they're written before she met him.
• 47:26
  Also, in the very first night, it's someone she misses and we
• 47:29
  have Diana going to Paris. So this isn't someone who's
• 47:32
  cheated on her, who's done her wrong, who's gaslit her.
• 47:35
  Allaja Gyllenhaal, who's cheated on her like Harry supposedly
• 47:38
  did. This is just someone.
• 47:39
  The only problem is there distance between them in the
• 47:41
  very first night. I just miss you.
• 47:42
  I wish I could fly and pick you up.
• 47:44
  Right. I wish we could be together
• 47:45
  right now, but we can't. Well, Diana being off in Paris
• 47:49
  and in France fits for that. She didn't do anything wrong.
• 47:53
  You know, there's no cheating. There's no big breakup incident.
• 47:56
  It's just, gosh, there's distance between us.
• 47:58
  So with Harry, he cheated on her with Jake Gyllenhaal, that was
• 48:02
  basically, you know, predatory on this abusive relationship,
• 48:05
  you might say, right? And he just drove her crazy and
• 48:08
  broke her heart. But with Diana and the very
• 48:11
  first night music, it's just like, well, someone just had to
• 48:13
  go away for a while. But I really miss you.
• 48:15
  And they don't even know. Nobody knows how much I miss
• 48:17
  you. OK, Let's like, OK, homo.
• 48:19
  Anyway, don't maybe start saying slurs.
• 48:21
  So to sort of wrap things up, Diana and Taylor have spent
• 48:26
  basically the entire spring and summer together, and their
• 48:28
  relationship does seem to carry on a bit into the fall.
• 48:31
  There's some iconic shit, right? We have this pat footage of
• 48:34
  Harry and Taylor and a group of their friends.
• 48:36
  They're going to Emma Stone's birthday party, and Harry
• 48:39
  reaches up and, like, does something to Taylor's hair,
• 48:42
  right? This is when Haylor's going on
• 48:44
  and Diana pushes him away she goes.
• 48:49
  I don't want this. Yeah, she looks pissed in these
• 48:51
  pictures. She looks so annoyed and it's
• 48:53
  just like, OK Queen like go off. And then you have to wonder like
• 48:59
  that, even to an extent, because if if Haylor is completely 100%
• 49:03
  APR relationship and Diana and Taylor involved, why would she
• 49:06
  care that much about Harry? So then you wonder, like, does
• 49:09
  Diana even know like our our hair?
• 49:11
  Like I do think Haylor was PR and I've heard as much from like
• 49:14
  people who know people on his team at his record label.
• 49:17
  But like, does Diana even know, you know, are they even openly
• 49:21
  communicating? I think some people see these
• 49:23
  the Gaylor relationships and there's like, oh, the Taylor and
• 49:26
  the girl are in a monogamous, confined, defined relationship
• 49:31
  and the men are, you know, very defined by, you know, contract
• 49:37
  beards. And I'm not saying that's never
• 49:38
  happened. Great.
• 49:40
  But I also think there could be some Gray where like Taylor's
• 49:43
  team gets her with Harry because yes, that's amazing PR And no,
• 49:46
  they're not really mutually attracted to each other or
• 49:48
  anything, but like, yes, they go out and spend time together.
• 49:51
  We do have a video of them kissing.
• 49:52
  It's weird as hell, right? It's so it's so awkward.
• 49:56
  And Taylor's brother is also videoing them at midnight at at
• 49:59
  New Year's. It's like so weird.
• 50:01
  But I am very much into the Gray space where it's like maybe
• 50:04
  Diana's annoyed because like she and Taylor never put a name on
• 50:07
  what they were and they're totally in love.
• 50:09
  But like now Taylor's spending all this time with Harry and
• 50:12
  that would piss you off, right? So I, I'm not, look, if you want
• 50:16
  to tell me like Haylor was like 100% PR fine.
• 50:18
  I'm, I'm not against that or anything, but I'm just kind of
• 50:21
  open to maybe the reason Taylor's so scared and getting
• 50:24
  confused and things are so complicated and all her, these
• 50:27
  relationships and all the songs she's she's talking about this
• 50:30
  relationship is because it wasn't defined.
• 50:33
  Yeah. You know, and I would be
• 50:35
  shocked, you know, I had my first queer relationships were
• 50:37
  all like that. They were just like, I'm having
• 50:39
  sex with this girl and I, we don't know why, but we both keep
• 50:42
  doing it, you know? It's so true.
• 50:44
  Yeah. Especially like when it's
• 50:46
  confusing for the amount of pressure that they're under.
• 50:49
  I doubt it was like, Oh yeah, we've kissed once.
• 50:52
  Now we are in a relationship and we need a strict beard.
• 50:56
  Yeah, I think I agree with you. Especially like early on.
• 51:00
  And I think it is possible that she was like in APR relationship
• 51:03
  with Harry and then like maybe she was like, wait, do I like
• 51:06
  him? And then made out with him and
• 51:08
  it's like it's confusing like she's only 2223 like.
• 51:12
  And I also agree that it's not just because she was in APR
• 51:16
  relationship, or at least that's what I think with Harry.
• 51:19
  Doesn't mean that like everyone is tuned into that.
• 51:23
  Diana might not have even known that, right?
• 51:25
  Maybe we decided he is. Yeah, So when Diane's like, OK,
• 51:29
  wait, now you're seeing this guy, like, yeah, yeah.
• 51:33
  She could be genuinely confused. And I also think that makes
• 51:36
  sense. Like why would you have everyone
• 51:38
  in your life know? Like that's so many people to
• 51:42
  know about that you. Just can't know for sure, but I
• 51:45
  think there's data in the timelines and the music to
• 51:47
  suggest that like who who knows what's going on, but just
• 51:53
  something intense. But maybe it wasn't defined.
• 51:55
  Maybe right. And I think I, I very much like
• 51:58
  I'd like to talk about that. Like a lot of gaylors are like,
• 52:01
  oh, this was her girlfriend and then this was her girlfriend.
• 52:03
  And if that's what gets you off, great.
• 52:04
  I'm not here to say what you should believe or not, but just
• 52:07
  for me a lot like more confusion and more like things are
• 52:12
  unlabeled. And then of course, Taylor has
• 52:13
  all these songs about like, you know, what is illicit affairs
• 52:16
  about? She's singing about someone
• 52:18
  she's sleeping with that has a male partner, right?
• 52:20
  That's explicitly in the song. Unless she's talking to herself,
• 52:23
  but whatever. But it's just like so much of
• 52:26
  Taylor's music is not about simple cut and dry
• 52:28
  relationships, and that's what's so queer about it.
• 52:31
  But then that also tells me like, Taylor is just, you know,
• 52:34
  particularly back when Red was being written.
• 52:35
  I don't think this is some gay woman that's very secure in her
• 52:39
  sexuality and it's just like putting on airs with Connor
• 52:42
  Kennedy or Harry Styles. I think it goes deeper than
• 52:44
  that, but. I think so too, especially like
• 52:47
  in 2012. Right.
• 52:49
  And I also think people underestimate how much potential
• 52:53
  cheating there is going on. Taylor writes about love
• 52:56
  triangles and cheating an awful lot for somebody that's only
• 52:58
  ever in monogamous connections. We're going to talk about two
• 53:02
  songs on 1989. Now.
• 53:04
  A lot of 1989 ties back to Diana.
• 53:06
  We just, and there's queer themes throughout that whole
• 53:08
  album. We just can't get into everyone.
• 53:10
  But I do want to talk about the song Clean.
• 53:12
  So Taylor writes Clean on February 8th, 2014, and Clean
• 53:16
  claims that Taylor is 10 months sober from the relationship that
• 53:21
  this the song is commenting on. Now.
• 53:22
  Of course, Taylor and Harry had broken up 13 months before this
• 53:27
  time, but clean is definitely the Harry song.
• 53:30
  Aside from style, everybody says cleans about Harry.
• 53:32
  She did give a quote saying like she was in England or London and
• 53:36
  she wrote the song because she realized like, oh, I'm like this
• 53:40
  is where this person lives and I haven't even thought about them,
• 53:42
  so I must be clean. That's the quote she gave.
• 53:45
  But let's talk about the ten months sober line.
• 53:49
  So what's 10 months before February?
• 53:52
  It's April, April 2013 to be specific.
• 53:55
  And what went down in April 2013?
• 53:58
  Well, probably a lot. Probably a lot.
• 54:00
  We can't say for sure, you know, what's going on or not.
• 54:04
  But on April 16th, 2013, someone drops a photoshopped fake
• 54:09
  article onto Tumblr saying that Swickron is dating.
• 54:12
  You guys have probably seen the screenshot.
• 54:14
  It says Taylor Swift is in a new relationship, but it's not what
• 54:16
  you expected. And it's got a picture of Taylor
• 54:18
  and Diana and it says that they're dating.
• 54:20
  And it says, let's be honest, the rumors are confirmed.
• 54:24
  You know, Taylor and Diana, they're they're an item.
• 54:26
  This is photoshopped. This is not real.
• 54:29
  That does not stop it from spreading like wildfire on
• 54:32
  Twitter. So there's.
• 54:33
  An I believed it when I saw it. Right, there's an absolute
• 54:36
  uproar on Twitter. Tayana or Swiftgraw is trending
• 54:41
  and everyone is talking about this.
• 54:42
  Over the coming days. It builds for a week with
• 54:44
  thousands of people tweeting about it.
• 54:46
  For whatever reason, on April 23rd, Diana deletes her beloved
• 54:49
  Tumblr blog. Fell down the rabbit hole.
• 54:52
  So she says, you know, this will be the Last Post here.
• 54:57
  Dear Tumblr, I think it's time to lay you to rest.
• 54:59
  And she says it's been a lovely friend and goes on this blog was
• 55:03
  so beloved by Gleeks, by any of Diana's fans.
• 55:06
  She would just share stuff. She would share people's
• 55:08
  artwork. She would share her own, like,
• 55:10
  stuff. She would share music she liked.
• 55:12
  And everybody loved it. I mean, she must have had so
• 55:14
  many followers. This is when Tumblr was, like,
• 55:16
  popping off, too. Yeah.
• 55:18
  Big time or Tumblr? That is not Diana's only Tumblr
• 55:21
  account. So in the fall of 2020, me and
• 55:23
  my followers uncovered Diana's secret Tumblr blog.
• 55:26
  I remember when this happened. Yeah, so I can, I can go into,
• 55:30
  if somebody needs to know, come what I will say on Tumblr, send
• 55:33
  me an Anon, I'll explain or DM me on Instagram, anywhere I'm at
• 55:36
  what I will say everywhere. And if you really need to know,
• 55:40
  like the process we went through to know, it's Diana's Tumblr
• 55:43
  blog. But we did this is like Factory.
• 55:45
  It is it, It was hers. She doesn't use it anymore, but
• 55:48
  it was hers anyway on that day. Diana reblogged two things on
• 55:53
  April 23rd, OK. She reblogged a post that says,
• 55:56
  I will always care for you, even if we're not together, even if
• 55:59
  we're far, far away from each other.
• 56:02
  And then she also reblogged a picture of two people, their
• 56:05
  silhouettes, and they're looking at each other kind of across a
• 56:07
  starry night sky. And it says one day we'll meet
• 56:10
  again. These were reblogged directly
• 56:12
  from their sources, which means it didn't just randomly show up
• 56:14
  on Diana's feet. Like she got these posts as they
• 56:17
  were written by someone and they have one hashtag in common and
• 56:23
  that hashtag is lost love. So Diana, the same day she
• 56:27
  deleted her Tumblr, she's sitting emo.
• 56:30
  I just picture her. She's a cross legged emo.
• 56:32
  She's sitting in her bed. She's scrolling Tumblr on the
• 56:34
  Lost Love hashtag and reblogging sad posts about losing someone.
• 56:40
  She's so mean. And then ten months later,
• 56:43
  Taylor writes Clean where she says, I'm 10 months sober now.
• 56:47
  There's more that goes on between them.
• 56:48
  They end up going to a concert together later.
• 56:50
  Like there's a couple more. There's like Diana, you know,
• 56:53
  tags Taylor on Twitter one or more times.
• 56:55
  But it's just like, you can still be friends with someone,
• 56:58
  but still, you know, be told like this is no longer going to
• 57:01
  be intimate. We can stay friends.
• 57:03
  But like, that's that. And and this happens all after
• 57:08
  this big uproar where people are talking and maybe that talking
• 57:11
  even turns screams about them on Twitter.
• 57:15
  And also clean seems to echo everything has changed.
• 57:19
  The rain comes pouring down. All I know is pouring rain.
• 57:22
  And then the rain came pouring down in both songs.
• 57:24
  And Taylor allegedly, I don't have any receipts on this.
• 57:27
  I swear to God I've seen it though Taylor allegedly liked to
• 57:30
  post on Tumblr about how butterflies are in both songs.
• 57:33
  And like, as good Swifties, we should pay attention because,
• 57:36
  you know, the butterflies and everything has changed are the
• 57:39
  same butterflies that turn to dust and clean and that seems to
• 57:44
  confirm the songs would be about the same person.
• 57:47
  But everything has changed. Hyannis Port Well, that's Conner
• 57:49
  clearly right and clean. That's about Harry in London.
• 57:52
  She you know that that's supposed to be about him.
• 57:55
  Wouldn't it make a lot of sense if they were about the same
• 57:57
  person with these butterflies that are first?
• 57:58
  So like, I feel butterflies, I'm so excited.
• 58:00
  And now the butterflies are turning to dust.
• 58:02
  Wouldn't it just be so very simple?
• 58:03
  Like what is going on to I miss you too.
• 58:10
  I'm very sad about this. And it's like a timeline of one
• 58:14
  person, and all of these, like, characteristics are the same.
• 58:18
  And so it just doesn't make sense.
• 58:19
  Yeah. For it to be about these, like,
• 58:21
  random other people that she, like, allegedly had
• 58:23
  relationships with, Especially when you throw in, like, Zac
• 58:25
  Efron. Like what?
• 58:27
  So we need to talk about one last song because it wouldn't be
• 58:30
  a Swift Ground episode if we didn't talk about Wonderland.
• 58:34
  So of course, and it's funny, go play Clean and let Spotify keep
• 58:37
  running. And then Wonderland comes right
• 58:39
  on. So to me, Clean is about the
• 58:41
  break up and then Wonderland is just further comments on the
• 58:44
  same situation. Yeah, what you need to know, of
• 58:47
  course, is that Diana's favorite book of all time is Alice in
• 58:49
  Wonderland. She brought it up in interviews
• 58:51
  all the time, tweeted about it, auctioned off a signed copy of
• 58:53
  it for charity. Her private Tumblr is filled
• 58:56
  with reblogs about Alice, and her public Tumblr was called
• 58:59
  Fell Down the Rabbit Hole. So I have a little joke that
• 59:02
  Diana didn't used to have a personality.
• 59:04
  She just had Alice in Wonderland.
• 59:05
  It was very quintessentially her brand.
• 59:08
  Of course, the song says, didn't you flash your green eyes at me?
• 59:12
  We're back to the Green eyed muse.
• 59:14
  Everything has changed. But everything has changed about
• 59:15
  Connor. But Wonderland supposed to be
• 59:17
  about Harry Styles, right? So now of course Harry and
• 59:19
  Connor do both have green eyes. I'll say that.
• 59:21
  But wouldn't it make sense if all these songs she fell in love
• 59:23
  with someone in the spring of 2012 has green eyes?
• 59:26
  And now we're back to we have another green eyed muse showing
• 59:29
  up on 1989. Would it make sense if that was
• 59:31
  the same person? Wonderland describes a
• 59:34
  relationship where she and the Muse were warned not to be
• 59:37
  together. Didn't they tell us?
• 59:38
  Don't rush into things. That is very commonly something
• 59:41
  queer people here, especially when you're younger.
• 59:44
  Well, don't rush into it. You don't know.
• 59:45
  It could just be a phase, right? Haven't you heard what becomes
• 59:50
  of curious minds? Curious.
• 59:52
  Bi curious, maybe. What are we curious about,
• 59:54
  girls? I mean, shut up.
• 59:56
  Like this is the what I think is like one of the loudest minds
• 1:00:01
  because what's? Curious before about her being
• 1:00:05
  in like any other relationship with a man.
• 1:00:07
  Like the curiosity takes you to discovering something else with
• 1:00:12
  a woman like we What if this is something more like why all of a
• 1:00:17
  sudden would she be curious about something and why would it
• 1:00:19
  be curious to like a guy? Another white guy with brown
• 1:00:22
  hair and. And listen, if she had written
• 1:00:26
  this, like, when she was in high school or like on Fearless, I'd
• 1:00:29
  be like, OK, yeah, you're curious about the opposite sex
• 1:00:32
  at that point, Like, you're learning about that.
• 1:00:34
  But given that she's 2425, when she writes this, it's just like,
• 1:00:39
  what are you curious about? But it gets gayer.
• 1:00:41
  It gets gayer than that, too. And love to think straight is a
• 1:00:44
  lyric in this song. Are you joking 2?
• 1:00:47
  People who let her keep that in. There's a reason this song's a
• 1:00:51
  bonus track. That's all I'm gonna say, right?
• 1:00:53
  Then we also get the lyrics. But there were strangers
• 1:00:56
  watching and watching Turn to talking and talking turn to
• 1:00:59
  screams. This seems to maybe be
• 1:01:02
  referencing the April 2013 Twitter storm.
• 1:01:05
  And also, by the way, this is gay.
• 1:01:07
  Like, who cares if someone talks about you dating your boyfriend,
• 1:01:10
  right? You're public, you're in a
• 1:01:12
  public relationship. Who gives a shit?
• 1:01:14
  Now of course I can imagine like One Direction fans were famously
• 1:01:18
  misogynistic towards Taylor and hated her because they all want
• 1:01:21
  to date the boys. This is what happens every time.
• 1:01:23
  Like if a if a girl dates a famous guy, her fan base will be
• 1:01:27
  like, Oh my God, we love him. His fan base will be like, fuck
• 1:01:30
  her, he's mine. Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  That's so, so true. You see that with the 1D guys a
• 1:01:34
  lot, so and. Plus, like, why would it be
• 1:01:38
  shocking for her that people are talking about them when she's
• 1:01:41
  doing these like pap shoots in Central Park with Harry?
• 1:01:44
  It wouldn't be like, Oh no, people are talking and we need
• 1:01:47
  to be quiet about this and run from the foxes.
• 1:01:50
  They have their cages and whatever.
• 1:01:52
  It's like you're in Central Park and there's cameras around
• 1:01:56
  Junior holding hands with them, like.
• 1:01:57
  I once joked that I know places like it.
• 1:02:01
  It should be. If it's about Harry, it should
• 1:02:02
  be called I Know Paps. Because it's like, girl, you're
• 1:02:05
  not hiding. You're very doing, deliberately
• 1:02:07
  doing the opposite of hiding. Right, I know where we can find
• 1:02:11
  someone to take our picture. Yeah, like I know places that we
• 1:02:14
  can be seen together and promote our mutual project park.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah. Yeah, and I, by the way, I like
• 1:02:19
  Harry, like I don't, you know, I like his music, like Harry's
• 1:02:22
  fun. I totally.
• 1:02:23
  I have an episode about how he dated Nick Grimshaw, because
• 1:02:26
  that definitely went down. I.
• 1:02:27
  Like, remember this episode? Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  No hate, no shade to Harry, but it's just like, why would she be
• 1:02:34
  so concerned at people talking about them?
• 1:02:36
  Other than yes, when people talk about Taylor Swift and a man, it
• 1:02:39
  can get very loud. It can get very loud and very
• 1:02:41
  chaotic. And when people talk about Harry
• 1:02:43
  Styles and a woman, it can get very loud and very chaotic.
• 1:02:46
  I I'll give you that, but just two in love to think straight,
• 1:02:50
  having heard what becomes a curious minds talking and
• 1:02:52
  screaming. This person didn't do anything
• 1:02:54
  wrong. The muse of Wonderland didn't
• 1:02:57
  cheat on her again. We're back to this.
• 1:02:59
  Like, the only thing that's wrong with this person is
• 1:03:01
  people. We're finding out about it.
• 1:03:03
  Yeah. The the 1989 muse is the one who
• 1:03:07
  got away. It's just because you're clean,
• 1:03:09
  don't mean you don't miss it. I wish you would come back on,
• 1:03:12
  on. I wish you would.
• 1:03:12
  Which by the way, there's all sorts of there's clues about I
• 1:03:15
  wish you would and Diana buying a house and Harry bought.
• 1:03:18
  A house, but it was. Later, right?
• 1:03:19
  I'm not even gonna. I can't.
• 1:03:20
  We don't even have time for analysis.
• 1:03:21
  On that too much, yeah. Then she goes on to write I know
• 1:03:24
  places in 2014 and she said, well, I just gotten out of
• 1:03:28
  relationship where, you know, there was too much noise about
• 1:03:30
  it and I met someone new and I'm basically trying to tell them
• 1:03:35
  this won't happen again. How and how am I going to make
• 1:03:38
  sure that doesn't happen again? We'll hide.
• 1:03:40
  We'll go to Big Star and hide. Maybe Karlie Kloss has green
• 1:03:44
  eyes, too. Let's just say that.
• 1:03:47
  So. And it's, I know places like she
• 1:03:49
  gave an interview to the Grammys museum where she was saying,
• 1:03:51
  like, yeah, I wrote this song basically thinking of my last
• 1:03:53
  relationship, how wrong it went. And then if I met someone new,
• 1:03:57
  here's what I would say to them to assure them what happened in
• 1:03:59
  the last relationship wouldn't happen again.
• 1:04:02
  And what does she tell that person?
• 1:04:03
  She doesn't say, well, you better not cheat on me or you'd
• 1:04:05
  better be a supportive partner. You'd better show up, be there
• 1:04:08
  for me. She says, don't worry, babe,
• 1:04:09
  I'll hide us. It's so gay.
• 1:04:13
  Looks. So gay.
• 1:04:14
  Why would she need to hide a relationship you know?
• 1:04:17
  Especially because the next like public relationship she has
• 1:04:20
  after Harry is like Calvin Harris.
• 1:04:22
  Yeah, they didn't hide. Right.
• 1:04:24
  They're very public. Right.
• 1:04:26
  Yeah. It's almost like she's like
• 1:04:27
  learning her lessons. And this was like a very
• 1:04:30
  chaotic, confusing moment for her where she's like, finally,
• 1:04:35
  like an adult, but like having this relationship with a woman
• 1:04:39
  who where it's confusing and she's like, OK, I cannot have
• 1:04:43
  this happen again. I need to be on the same page
• 1:04:46
  with someone. And it's like being on not in
• 1:04:49
  control of like the media narrative surrounding it.
• 1:04:52
  Like I feel like her and her team are like scrambling.
• 1:04:55
  The Wonderland music someone whose relationship was ended
• 1:04:59
  with her. She was warned not to be with
• 1:05:01
  this person. They were too in love to think
• 1:05:03
  straight. And then talking and talking,
• 1:05:06
  turning to screams broke them up.
• 1:05:09
  And if you want to say Taylor had a relationship in the spring
• 1:05:12
  and summer of 2012 and then went through a breakup due to people
• 1:05:15
  gossiping about if you actually listen to the music, the thing
• 1:05:19
  that makes the most sense is that Diane Agron's the Muse.
• 1:05:22
  And I say that as a big skeptic. I am a big skeptic about a lot
• 1:05:27
  of things and it's funny. I'll I'll like get away from it
• 1:05:31
  and I'll be like, I don't know, supra and that'd be crazy if it
• 1:05:33
  happened. So I have my girlfriend, her
• 1:05:35
  name's Gabriella Lindley and she's a YouTube, right?
• 1:05:37
  She has a big following. She used to kind of be like
• 1:05:40
  very, very, very famous and you know, the cycle goes on.
• 1:05:43
  And like now she just has her little niche that, you know,
• 1:05:45
  with her fans that she does. But we have a public
• 1:05:48
  relationship and I do know that like people that talk about us
• 1:05:52
  kind of get everything wrong. Now, listen, we're nowhere near
• 1:05:56
  as famous as like Taylor and Diana, but I will say like fan
• 1:05:59
  theories. We even have a conversation
• 1:06:01
  about this when she did this work on timeline with me, we
• 1:06:04
  have a conversation about like, I love me some Sukron, but it's
• 1:06:06
  funny. I, I can stay skeptical on it
• 1:06:09
  because I just know that fan theories about like public
• 1:06:11
  figures, relationships are so often wrong because I know that
• 1:06:14
  like she has people who follow her that will comment on her.
• 1:06:17
  And I'm just like, you could not be speaking further from the
• 1:06:20
  truth. Like you're just going off stuff
• 1:06:22
  you saw on social media. And that is just not what's
• 1:06:26
  happening, right? That's such a good point.
• 1:06:28
  Like there are some of these clues that are probably directly
• 1:06:31
  pointing to Swiftgron or Tilly or something like that.
• 1:06:35
  And then there's probably some clues that aren't clues at all.
• 1:06:40
  And we're completely misguided and like we kind of like the
• 1:06:45
  left a note on the door of the joke he made.
• 1:06:48
  And like, yeah, I still think swift grunt happened, but is
• 1:06:52
  that about the door? Like no, cuz the dates are are
• 1:06:56
  different. So it's like it's hard because
• 1:06:59
  like we really are never gonna know the truth of like every
• 1:07:02
  single moment. But when you put all of these
• 1:07:05
  things together, it's like, OK, Swift Braun, like probably
• 1:07:08
  happened. It just makes so much.
• 1:07:10
  Fucking sense and it's, but I sit here like I have just
• 1:07:14
  floored myself. Like not to suck my own Dick or
• 1:07:16
  anything, but it's just like, damn, when you put it all
• 1:07:19
  together in an hour long conversation or whatever, it's
• 1:07:23
  just like, and there's more. There is, yeah.
• 1:07:26
  There's where I have not gone into.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah, it just makes more logical sense.
• 1:07:30
  Like if a robot took all of the data and put it together without
• 1:07:34
  the biases of like homophobia, they would be like, that's more
• 1:07:39
  likely to be the muse. I wonder if we could put the
• 1:07:41
  timeline into like Chat GPTI and be like, so guys, here's the
• 1:07:45
  team. What happened here?
• 1:07:47
  The robot's like that would be fascinating.
• 1:07:50
  The. Robot's like, I'm not allowed to
• 1:07:51
  say slurs, but they're dykes. Some things don't make sense.
• 1:07:57
  But when you sit down and like go through all of this and you
• 1:08:02
  look and you know for a fact we know.
• 1:08:04
  So you know, we don't know super dated for a fact, but we know
• 1:08:06
  for a fact that Taylor fell in love with someone in spring of
• 1:08:09
  2012. This person had green eyes and
• 1:08:11
  freckles. This person was with her in
• 1:08:13
  Hyannis Port. This person spent time in New
• 1:08:15
  York City and London without her.
• 1:08:17
  This person, you know, something dramatic happened with this
• 1:08:20
  person in April of 2013. And you look for somebody
• 1:08:23
  publicly in Taylor's life that fits that.
• 1:08:25
  It is only that it is only her. If you sit down and look at it,
• 1:08:32
  Diana is the one who makes the most sense.
• 1:08:33
  She's publicly hanging out with Taylor.
• 1:08:35
  She has green eyes and freckles. She was in London and New York
• 1:08:37
  City without Taylor. She was in Hyannis Port with
• 1:08:38
  Taylor, right? She had the least Taylor.
• 1:08:41
  It was raining at the Sunday matinee.
• 1:08:44
  Are you kidding me? Right.
• 1:08:46
  She just again and again and this, this is not even getting
• 1:08:49
  into like the analysis for I wish you would, which masters
• 1:08:52
  really well for Diana. The out of the woods analysis,
• 1:08:54
  which masters well for Diana and the babe music video.
• 1:08:57
  We haven't even talked. You don't even have to talk
• 1:08:59
  about it if you see the babe music video is basically a shot
• 1:09:02
  to shot remake of a music video that Diana was in the I'm not
• 1:09:05
  the only one music video so that's just.
• 1:09:07
  Search the two music videos and put them side by side.
• 1:09:10
  It's like the same. Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  This has been so great. Thank you so much for coming on
• 1:09:15
  and like doing a deep dive because I could not do it
• 1:09:17
  justice. All credit to a Tumblr Blogger
• 1:09:19
  named Aaron, AKA Kayler, or Gaylord Nation.
• 1:09:23
  She wrote the first Swift broad master post.
• 1:09:25
  But I wrote my own and I built on it, yeah.
• 1:09:29
  Great. Thank you.
• 1:09:30
  SO. Much.
• 1:09:32
  Yeah, of course. It's my absolute pleasure.
• 1:09:33
  Check out my episode on What I will say we're about to do an
• 1:09:38
  episode on Gabrina and how Sabrina Carpenter is probably
• 1:09:43
  queer. Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  It's going to be a great time, yeah.
• 1:09:45
  I'm excited. Thanks everyone for listening
• 1:09:47
  and reminder to subscribe to my YouTube and also follow me on
• 1:09:51
  Spotify and Apple as well. Hi everyone.