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Talks to Dylan Rees & Luke Molloy about their choice of The Power of Kroll (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing quicker.
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Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt pen knife, the Doctor Who
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commentary podcast. That's how you do it boys.
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Hello, we are here today to watch and commentate on The
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Power of Crow Episode 4, an action-packed masterpiece.
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I'm here with podcaster extraordinaire Mr. Dylan Reece.
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Hello, Dylan. Hello, it's wonderful to be back
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here for the final part of the Power of.
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I'm quite sad actually. The last time you and me did a
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commentary together was on my sofa.
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That is true, we were snuggled up together, but now here we are
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divided by many a mile. Yeah, I've never been on your
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sofa. Well, yes, you're always
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invited. OK.
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It's quite far to come. Is it a casting couch, in fact?
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I promise you, you'll get the. A podcasting couch.
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Luke couldn't live further away from your sofa if you tried.
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A The hamstring spun penknife now has had over 120 guests and
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because of because of the couch, I also have 120 sex offensive
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allegations against me. That's 120 people with syphilis.
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Actually, if you've seen the state of most of the people on
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this, it's only 10. Well, you just heard the
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mellifluous voice there of Mr. Luke Malloy.
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Hello, Luke. Hello.
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Now I believe you've got that wretched tome.
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Mark Campbell's review book of Doctor Who in.
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Front of you. I think it's quite jokes, this
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book. What?
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It's that easy just to glance at it and see see what he says He.
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Gives Ghost light 15%. That's all I need to know.
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That the man's mad. Well.
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To be honest, it sounds like so far he's agreeing with
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everything we've said. Go on.
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So the verdict is the cast look board rigid, the direction is as
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flat as the horizon, and the story is uninspiring.
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But crawl looks good and the watery location is at least an
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attempt to do something different. 5 out of 10.
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I only don't think that the direction is that flat, I think
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the stuff on location is really good.
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We've not mentioned the direction really, but we have
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said the cast look bored, not the main cast.
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I think when the story moves as well, it's got some dynamism to
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it. Yeah, it's better than five out
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10. Mark at.
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Least 6. Yeah, 6.5, yeah.
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I heard you drown in Bakaki, Mark Campbell.
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Well, should we go into Episode 4?
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And as we start, I've got a question to ask a pair of you.
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All right, one counters in. 321. Like why are you always ready
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like within half a second? We said we were going to blast 3
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crawls. That's what we're doing.
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I think we've done pretty well. In fact, it's astonishing that
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nobody does that. Usually Doctor Who stories end
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with an explosion. This one doesn't.
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No. Can do if you want.
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What are you? What are you going to do?
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I wonder whether they couldn't afford to make Crawl explode.
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Oh look, the same way they could with the Chronoid, you mean?
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Oh yeah. Yeah, fair.
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They look fabulous. Now my question to you is this.
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I would like the pair of you please to rank the key to time
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season for me. Let's start with Dylan.
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Ribos Operation Tara. Stones of Blood.
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Pirate Planet Crawl. Armageddon Factor.
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Luke. Tara, Stones of Blood.
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Pirate Planet Crawl, Rebus. Armageddon Factor.
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And mine is Rebus, Operation Tara, Pirate Planet, Stones of
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Blood, Crow, Armageddon Factor. So, I mean, Rebus has just got
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that bit where the doctor slaps Van, whatever he's called with
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the glove. That is amazing.
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The graph. The graph in decay, yes.
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I I think for me it's about the dialogue and I can understand
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why if you're a kid especially, or if you're into Doctor Who for
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the monsters and you know, things like that, it might be,
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it might be a story that bores you shitless, but.
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For me, it's well, it might be that, you know, it might be that
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I've just not seen it since I was well like 1716 and just.
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Cruel. Oh yeah.
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When he puckers his lips, it gets me moist.
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He's gorgeous, doesn't he? Also been wrote The Heretic
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Reminds me of being Levine now because I think he compared
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himself to once. Do you remember Jim Troll from
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the Vicar Dibley? I thought that was been wrote
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The Heretic for years. They sound exactly the same.
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I do think Rebos has the single best guest performance of all
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time in Doctor Who. Show, show, show what I.
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No piss off. Oh, she's fabulous.
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Is she still alive? Why is she not doing?
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Her. Well, yeah, wasn't she in?
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Wasn't she in the End of Time? Well, that can't be the same
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woman. It's not.
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That's just the same. Character burning, burning,
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burning. And you get who doing the
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similar at the beginning, don't you go he is returning.
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And they are returning and we are.
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Returning. It's like you're just making
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this up now, Ross. I mean to be fair.
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And then he came back. None of it's real Dylan.
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He's always making it up. What he He was his own prophecy.
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He is returning and they are returning.
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I'll tell you what's refreshing about episode 40, but look at
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that tentacle going through the wall.
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That's a glory hole. Crawl's glory hole glory.
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Crawl. No, where.
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They haven't quite got the scale right there, have they?
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Because you've got these big tentacles and then he's up the
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wall and it's just these tiny little floppy bits.
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Nobody wants to see that. What?
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What's great about Four right is finally you get some action on
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the rig, somebody gets shot, somebody gets javelin to death.
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The rig is literally almost taken apart by crawl.
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I'm that's really exciting. We get a little bit of location
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footage as part of the rig. Towards home, yes.
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It is literally like a jetty, isn't it?
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You see it on that documentary. Yeah, they found one little bit
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and they've gone. This is where.
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Yeah, I wish there'd been a bit more on there, but saying that,
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it does make it feel like a a grand finale to to the episode.
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It's rare as well. I think in Tom's time that for
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the climax is satisfying like this if you're.
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Yeah. No, no, it is.
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Very often it's sort of they the stories start really well,
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especially in Hinchcliffe time, and they end in a sort of drippy
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way. I'm assuming go ahead.
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Now you're gone. I'm assuming Norman Stewart
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isn't still with us because apparently he started work on
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Doctor Who's, a production assistant on The Daleks, and
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worked on various stories including The Web Planet and The
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Sabotages. That is great knowledge.
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Stories. Yeah.
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It's just been in my head and it's just come out of nowhere.
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So he was a floor assistant, wasn't it?
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Like you said? And they said he's really great
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with actors. We're gonna do Underworld, and
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it's going to require somebody who's really good at shepherding
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the actors. But fuck me, that's such a that
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requires such a technical accomplishment.
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Underworld. Why would you give it to a new
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director? Yeah, it's a really weird move.
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And I, you know, I don't, I don't blame him for not doing
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his best work on that. Was the fact about Matt Irvin
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having two houses on the infotechs as well?
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No, that's from his myth makers. You should have Trevor about
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everybody having watched all of those.
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Yeah, yeah, I should. He's just got scandalous gossip.
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It's there. Go and read that book.
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That's full of scandalous gossip.
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Oh, wonderful. That is a great look at the crow
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there. Look, he's having a wonderful
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time. Oh, who am I going to eat next?
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Joe, I'm intrigued because you've wrote a very interesting
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article, a brilliant article on yeah, on story arcs and based
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in, based a lot of your evidence on the Key to Time.
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Am I right thinking it's not out yet?
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It's not out yet, no. It's not yet, but even though
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you sort of say you don't think story arcs are right for Doctor
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in that article, the Key to Time season is one of your favorite
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seasons. So where's the where's the clash
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that? I mean, I really don't think I
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one of the linchpins of my argument in that piece is that
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this really isn't an arc in any way, shape or form the way you
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would accept it. It is a series of stories with a
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very loose connection going and I'm.
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Basically the same conclusion. The writers all basically go,
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yeah, we can't be arsed with that.
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We'll get it over and done with either at the beginning or the
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end of the story, and then we'll just tell a story.
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And like I said in the article, Douglas Adam comes in at the end
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of the season and goes right. Fuck these arcs.
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This is restricting us. I'm going to bring in the
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randomizer and we can go everywhere and anywhere.
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I think that's, I think that's why you can only.
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It's nice to do this occasionally, but it has to be
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occasionally, I think, otherwise there is an element of
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restricting the show. But I also think if you're
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looking at a modern audience, why would you come back to the
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show if the story's wrapped up in 45 minutes like you, you kind
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of and I think Russell C Davis 1 does that very well with his
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arcs. That gives you just enough that
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they're not they're not the flux style story.
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Also, Doctor Who being an anthology show is only really
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true of the new series because we you get 4 weeks of crawl or
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you get 6 weeks of talents of Weng Chiang.
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That's not actually an anthology.
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It's you're getting what you're actually getting is lots of mini
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serials, as they were called at the time.
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So it's not quite an anthology show in the way that's Black
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Mirrors or something. They get to have their cake and
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easy here, don't they? Because the the whole thing
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about the kids, it's such an idea that kids can get behind,
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hunt the key around the universe, right?
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And it can be anything, anywhere.
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And then the writers all do imaginative things for that
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concept, right? When power in power Kroll, it's
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the thing that's made Kroll massive in Armageddon Factor,
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it's the Princess, isn't it? So there's a.
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Model domain. It's just the.
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And there's a reason why they bring they don't bring it back.
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But in a lot of the abandoned Doctor Who movies, there's,
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there's a couple of drafts that feature the key to time or
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similar quests. Because if you're got, if you're
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trying to do Doctor Who the movie, you want to show that
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what the show can do. So a quest is the most simple
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thing. It takes you from one place to
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another place to another place to another.
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And also perhaps why Doctor Who doesn't work as a movie.
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If you were going to do a series then and you don't want to do an
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anthology series, how would you, how would you do Doctor Who
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nowadays? I think I would do it like flux.
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So it's it's sort of like 6 separate episodes, but it's
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quite heavily connected. Yeah.
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What's going on? Destroy the universe every
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season. No, you wouldn't do that.
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I mean, or I'd do something which is sort of an anthology,
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but sort of not. I think what they do with From
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the Burning onwards. You wouldn't remake that, but
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you could do something, you know, the Doctor trapped in
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linear time and living through things in.
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The series that was so. Great sort of build every time
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they do it. They sort of build their own
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world for that series, don't they?
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Like the Key to Time has a world.
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The child of the time that has a world.
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Flux has a has a has its own universe.
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The only bad side to that though, is, and I think it is a
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problem with modern television, is if you're not on board for
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that arc, yeah, you're kind of out that series.
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But I. Don't think you're in anyway.
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Like I don't think you're popping it.
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Never pop into one episode of the series randomly now.
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Yeah, I just don't. Yeah, you're right.
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I think that the issue is with a lot of modern Doctor Who, and
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I'm not just talking about the current run.
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We always end with that end of the world, end of the universe
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thing. Could we lower the stakes a
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little bit? You can do arcs, or if you're
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not doing arcs, you can do smaller stories.
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There's there's emotional stories to tell.
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You've got to find a new way to excite.
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Yeah, because it's not exciting. After Moffett destroyed the
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entire universe in the pandoric. Aerobic.
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Yeah, that's. About as big as it can get, you
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know. Yeah, I feel like that's not
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even the last time he does that. Oh no, no.
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But like, look at World enough for time and the Doctor falls.
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That's not the end of the universe, that is just the end
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of life on that ship. But it feels suitably big for a
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finale. You know, on that note, very
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quickly I've just listened to Genesis of the Cybermen, right,
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the big finish, the new Jerry Davies lost story and a load of
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ships go off at the end of that and it one of them could
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absolutely be that shoot in well nothing time.
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It's really tasty. David J Barnes, you're a genius
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with. This 5 minutes of cross.
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Question. Go back to your original
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question about the season. It's not because it's it's an
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arc base season. That's one of my favourites.
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I think it's because it's so restingly entertaining this
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season. It's mercilessly fun to watch
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all the guest characters this year.
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Well, all right, maybe Crow or Side are really fun to watch.
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Like the first four especially. I think the gags are really
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funny. Like we said, Tom Baker, he's
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like a light bulb. He glitters, you know.
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The other good thing about the key to time as a as just like an
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arc, as loose as it is, is it does force them to only go to
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earth once. Yeah, because you can.
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It would just be stupid to have more than One Piece on.
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Earth. Sorry, I just heard Loose loose
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arse then. Yeah, so you do get a series
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that's actually in time and space rather than Earth.
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I do. I do agree with you though, Joe,
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I think this is still be my favorite Tom, even if there was
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no arc just because it is the actual individual stories here
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that's sort of contradict myself of what I like, but.
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I suppose it's just nice, isn't it?
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Just enhances the the stories that there's something going on.
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Like in every other season, yeah, if you're having a shit
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day, I would come home and there'd be one or two stories I
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just wouldn't want to watch. I could put on anything in Key
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to Time if I was having a shitty day, and I'd have a riot with
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it. Yeah, and it's mostly because of
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Tom. And to be fair, Mary, for the
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most part, right? Yeah, this is, this is just
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probably Mary's worst like script that she gets.
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I think she's great in all the others.
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Tom's looking a bit post lunch in this final episode, isn't it?
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Like he all the swampies are there they've.
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Killed right? Oh my God.
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Crow is coming out right next to the rig.
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He's going wow. That's a real flow to that
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isn't? It Do you have a look?
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You know when you go to the loo. Yeah, I'm a curious guy.
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Yeah. You ever seen one like that?
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With sex recently and. You haven't.
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Stuff like that's come out. I tried to think what that bulb
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looked like afterwards. She's got a bowl.
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Did you see that? There was blood when Fena got
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javelined in the stomach, but blood spurted out.
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That's quite rare. We get blood in an old Doctor
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Who. It's new Doctor Who.
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We don't get it. And the.
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Shade isn't it due to its 8:00 AM broadcast?
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We just blow in normal holes in Bill and things like that in the
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new. Series but.
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There was no blood, no, I said. Blood.
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It was fine, yeah. I mean, it's a this reminds me a
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bit of Trial of a Tyler. Yeah, that trial set is really
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dull. And then in the last two
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episodes, it's really great. Like the dramas happening there.
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All this rig's been really dull, but now Crowell's wrapping his
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tentacles around him. That was the bit that really
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pissed me off about Romana. Why would she do that?
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It's such lazy script, right? And she's just like, I'm just
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going to go over here right by this window.
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I just want I just want to go over by the window and then the
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big tentacle. Doesn't she go, oh, it's all
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right, he won't know I'm here? It's just it's this disservice
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to to the character. It's one of those times you want
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the doctor to say, you stupid bitch.
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Shoot a gap? I probably would.
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There's a lot, honey. There's a lot of wobbly sets in
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this as well. Though, look at that.
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Look at Chrome straddling the room A.
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Bit too flimsy but that that window set wobbles earlier on
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there was a ladder that was wobbling and it's like when they
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leaned against the door that wobbled.
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Although maybe that's the architecture of the rig because
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it's in the water, so it's got a float side.
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Yeah, you'd. Expect a rig to Well, if I heard
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I'd expect a rig I'm. Going to give you an education
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now, right? Because I'm assuming you've
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never had anal sex, but I think Dylan and I might both have done
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that at some point when Crowell was straddling the rig there and
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it was all looking a bit awkward.
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And that's a bit what it's like the first time, you know,
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getting it right, it looks that's exactly what it's like.
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Thanks for the tip. You're welcome.
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That's what she said or he said. The.
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News Crawl wasn't educational. Thing.
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Yeah, I'm sorry, sorry. One of those Tom gets to go out
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now and be truly heroic, doesn't it?
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He goes right. I think I think that is nice.
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It does feel like a hero moment and it does feel like a big
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finale, even if it is just a four year old junking bloke with
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a stick waving a stick around on a rig.
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Dylan is desperate to get this point out.
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It's too late now. No, come on, We want to hear it.
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I. Was just going to say one of
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those swamp is had a really shiny face.
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That was it, No. Wait 2 minutes to hear that.
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Look, I can't always be full of exciting information called like
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the BB CS video disc is called into service again as Rankwin's
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death is recorded in reverse and played backwards.
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Oh, that's very clever. Oh, poor John Abenari is like,
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what's happened to my career. So yeah, they shot it backwards.
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That's. Interesting.
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So is this, was this meant to be a reveal the first time you
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watched it? Because I can't remember.
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Was it a surprise the very first time when crawl turns out to be
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a piece of the key to Time I? Think I was caught up in the
19:03
story. I didn't care, really.
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Do you know why it wasn't a surprise for me?
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Because this is the clip they use on the Tom Baker years which
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came. Beforehand, he's having a great
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time watching that as well. It's actually a neat way to
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solve the monster problem as well, isn't it?
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I really like as well. There's a wonderful bit at the
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minute where a tentacle just suddenly dashes in and takes the
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tracer out of his hand and it's another really good sort of
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shock some there it is there. It's really good.
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And they just say pulls it away. I really want a replica key to
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time and they they used to be all over.
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Behind you. Used to be all over eBay for
19:45
about £60 and I haven't seen one in years and then one showed up
19:47
and it was £300. I'd love one as well.
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I would love 1. This is, look what they're doing
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here. They're really suggesting that
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the monster is there, aren't they?
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They've you've got horrible gunky tentacles wrapped around
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him and then they're pushing something against wherever he is
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to make it look like Crowell's Brody's sort of rocket.
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I want the tracers stuck in it as well.
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Absolutely. Do you know who's got one?
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We could do a heist, you know, like Jason Thompson's got a Key
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to time. All right, let's go get him,
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yeah. I mean, if you go down the roof
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on a wire like Lady Christina I. Often do.
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Oh, Doctor Quick. Oh no, he's.
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Given it, the old struggle, isn't he?
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It's not. It's not an easy win.
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And to be fair to Dudley, he sort of pumps in a lot of oh,
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look at Tom's face now, he looks so happy.
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Yeah, that's the. Book cover.
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That's the book cover. Yeah.
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You see that smile? He's a hero, isn't he?
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Yeah. I mean, you know, this is one of
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the stories it'll tell. Like, Once Upon a time, I was on
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this rig. This giant tentacle monster was
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coming at me. I stabbed him with the Tracer.
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Well, that's how I'll tell it anyway.
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Well, not anymore way so. Because it's been a while since
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I watched The Armageddon Factor. What what happens to Princess
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Asta when the doctor touches her with his stick and.
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She falls in love with him. Marries him.
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They fuck for about 5 months and then they don't talk on sale.
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But does she? Because right it says that crawl
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like regenerates into like 100 tiny squids or something.
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I don't remember Princess Ashta doing that.
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Oh, well, no, when the segments go back out into the universe at
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the end, don't they just. She's there, isn't she?
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She goes. Oh, Merak.
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Oh, so he found you? He puts crawl back then.
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Yeah, he just. Put the tracer in his mouth.
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He would put anything. In so crawl can come back.
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So crawl it. Yeah, crawl.
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Do you think crawl was back just?
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Said Crawl. Crawl's back.
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Will crawl. Please write the sequel to this.
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The wrath of Crawl. Oh dear, which doctors I would
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go up against? You know, crawl.
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I feel like Jodie needs to go up against a big tentacle monster.
22:06
I'm. Sure, she's been that week.
22:07
And then we could fit it into Orphan 55.
22:11
Yeah, that's it. That's it.
22:13
What? What has that clock been in?
22:15
What are the Doctor Who stories that countdown clock?
22:17
Are cheap. Did you see the bit earlier
22:20
while we were all talking, but the bit earlier where he's up
22:23
the ladder and he's using his hammer to stop the rocket
22:27
garage? Sort of taps it.
22:29
When the whole wall wobbles, there's a memo in the
22:31
documentary where they go. We were watching and we're
22:34
appalled at how shoddy that set was.
22:38
Try harder. Yeah, I mean, that's where the
22:41
ladder wobbles as well as the set.
22:44
That's not right, is it? There'd be a reshoot now, Dylan
22:47
wouldn't there? It would be, or they'd sort it
22:49
out with computers. Well, the First Doctor against
22:54
Crawl would be pretty fun, yeah. I feel a bit sorry for this man
22:58
Fenner now though, he's stuck here with these swampies.
23:00
He's going to have a great time. They're all men.
23:05
We don't know what what he's like.
23:06
It's the future. It's got a swampy kink.
23:11
Are there women swampies anywhere?
23:14
No, I think we'd see them. So Mary Tams the only lady in
23:18
the story. Yeah, well, it's a Robert Holmes
23:20
script, remember? Of course, and he famously.
23:23
Hates that when you said that I hadn't realized that was like a
23:26
dot and bubble moment. Plot twist.
23:30
Maybe that's why this is slightly duller than the others,
23:32
because there's a lot of brilliant women in the case.
23:34
Time, yeah. Yeah, and as I said that I think
23:37
the one my real issue with Crawl apart from the boring rig scenes
23:42
are that Roman is just constantly underserved compared
23:45
to every other story in the season.
23:47
And it's weird because he wrote Rebos and he wrote her up in
23:51
Rebos. She had great, great scenes in.
23:52
There, but again, there still aren't a lot of women in there
23:54
do. You remember that lion?
23:56
She goes for him in the TARDIS. You know, before I met you, I
23:59
was even willing to be impressed.
24:01
She's great. That's article about you, Joe.
24:05
What's that? Before I met you, I was even
24:08
willing to be impressed. I'm really sad now.
24:13
I always flick between Ramana 1 and Ramana 2.
24:16
I bet you do. That's a wonderful TARDIS shot
24:20
in the marsh there, isn't it? Yeah.
24:23
Great dematerialization. In the time frame.
24:26
But we came in on a dull shot. But we went out on a on a
24:29
brilliant shot. I'm a.
24:31
High. When I look at that.
24:33
Well, that's 4 episodes of the three of us insulting each other
24:36
terribly. It's gone so quick and we've
24:38
spoken about crawl for at least 5 minutes.
24:40
No, we did. We did.
24:41
We did a good 50% crawl. I think we did as well, but
24:45
you're going to do another 2 1/2% now as you tell me you're
24:48
free. Fabulous things to recommend The
24:51
power of crawl, starting with Luke.
24:53
OK, well I mean I would say it the whole time really, but the
24:56
outside quagmire swamplands is just great ugly.
25:00
The fact we've actually put actors there, it just makes the
25:04
whole tale. Although, although it's got
25:08
silly elements, it makes it feel dangerous and exciting.
25:12
We need to go to more blogs. Yes, agreed.
25:17
Enough about George Michael, Dylan.
25:20
I would like to choose Tom Baker's outfit because it's his
25:24
best one. It's his best outfit, his best
25:27
coat. I think he looks great.
25:29
I think he he looks fantastic running around in that swamp.
25:32
He does some great scarf acting in there.
25:35
So I'm choosing his costume, the definitive, do you think, Doctor
25:39
costume. More doctors should wear
25:41
wellies. I think they should all wear
25:43
wellies constantly if you would. If you live the live the life
25:47
the doctor is, you'd either be in running shoes or wear at
25:49
least. Yeah, it's true.
25:52
I mean, I suppose Colin had spat.
25:53
What the hell are spats? Nobody knows.
25:57
It's sort of weird orange cloth, isn't it?
25:59
Oh, it's that program where the guy who dances on the burger, do
26:02
you remember that spats sit in the burger place?
26:05
Oh. That sounds vaguely familiar,
26:06
yeah. It's got Ling Tai from
26:08
Battlefield in it as the waitress.
26:10
Great, my I'll do a podcast on that soon.
26:15
Well, my first thing I can't believe either of you didn't go
26:17
for it is obviously Crowell himself, the great momentous
26:20
beast, with his enormous pulsating sticky tentacles
26:24
dragging people off into the swamp to be murdered.
26:27
A genuinely ambitious attempt to bring a Bahir Moth monster to
26:34
the screen. And I think for the most part
26:37
it's delightful. Joe I.
26:39
Think it is because with every other big monster like the
26:43
Cranoid, they're just sort of personality less and even though
26:46
Crawl should be, he's not, he's like.
26:49
Chatty bastard. It might just, it might just be
26:51
because he's got the name Crawl, but it makes him feel a bit of a
26:55
lad. But he just wants to eat people,
26:58
right? I mean, I get it.
27:01
Yeah, yeah, I've got an insatiable hunger sometimes.
27:06
Sometimes you just need a rum dust in your life, you know?
27:09
Does your tentacle emerge when you get hungry?
27:12
Not so much anymore. I'm 41.
27:15
I'm 40. 5:00 I've got no hope, Luke, what's your second thing?
27:20
Well, instead, the invention of the Doctor's best superpower
27:24
that we never see again. We I love that.
27:31
It's great. I like you and the Doctor has a
27:32
weird superpower, but not one that can really be used outside
27:36
of one or two situations. So all of them in every story,
27:41
isn't it? Yeah, Robert Holmes is quite
27:43
good for that, isn't it? For giving him something like oh
27:46
we can survive this for 10 minutes and bloody bar.
27:49
You know when McCoy brandishes his finger and takes Patterson,
27:54
there are so many times in his era when that would have come in
27:57
really, really useful. Yeah, and I she goes and finger
28:01
anyone. Jonathan.
28:03
Graf, Jonathan Graf. Excuse me, Dylan, what's your
28:08
second? We're going to get a bit slim
28:10
pickings now go on I'm. Going to go for an obvious one,
28:12
but then we go for Mary Tam and I know it may not be her best
28:15
story, but she's fucking great. I think she's, I wish she'd done
28:19
more. I wish she'd done more Big
28:20
Finish. I think she is effortlessly
28:25
glamorous, funny, sardonic, like she's just brilliant and more
28:30
merry time in our lives, please. I mean, the iPlayer has skipped
28:35
to where I was last in the Armageddon factor.
28:39
Now power of Crawl has ended. Yeah.
28:40
And Mary Tam is in a beautiful white dress with a lot of
28:44
cleavage on display, her hair flowing down.
28:47
I mean, is it as close? Tell me if I'm mad.
28:49
Is it as close to like a a movie start that we've had in Doctor
28:53
Who, The sort of visually cool movie actress?
28:58
Yeah, I think visually no one comes close as that sort of
29:01
classic beauty. You know her husband died pretty
29:06
much straight after. Her.
29:08
It's really sad, isn't it? She passed away and then
29:11
literally 2 days later he did as well.
29:14
Just like grief. Is it possible to die of a
29:17
broken heart? Apparently so.
29:20
It's very sad. Don't either of you go anywhere,
29:22
all right? Because it will.
29:24
Happen. We'll, we'll all go together.
29:28
Over a Cliff or something, Thelma and Louise style.
29:33
Into a bog, yeah. No, that's your biggest fear,
29:36
isn't it? My second thing, then, is going
29:40
to be, because I'm getting a bit desperate now, the fact that
29:47
episode 4 is the most exciting episode of the story, and that
29:50
the action ramps up, and that the very last set piece of crawl
29:54
attacking that oil rig, which is utterly fucking absurd, manages
29:59
to be quite exciting. Oh.
30:03
God, I think. Alone your load, haven't you?
30:07
What I, what I alluded to in that, like the idea of I'm
30:10
watching crawl where I could be watching something else.
30:13
I think there's a reliability in the power of crawl in that I've
30:19
watched it like maybe six or seven times and every single
30:23
time it's not worse than I remember and it's not better
30:27
than I remember. It's exactly how I remember.
30:30
And it's just like a reliable constant from bit of Doctor Who
30:36
that is never going to make you angry.
30:39
It's never going to make you ecstatic.
30:41
It's just going to make you reasonably happy, and actually,
30:45
that's great. And in this modern world,
30:48
reasonably happy is a bonus. Yeah, wow.
30:50
As as surprising as it may be, you may have just made a very
30:54
profound for there, Luke, because, sorry, I don't mean to
30:58
insult you, because I do think there's something in that.
31:01
I've got a handful of stories where I just know if I put them
31:04
on, they're always going to like Planet of the Daleks to chase
31:07
something like that. If, if I'm having a Sunday and
31:09
it's a rainy day and I know I can put those on and my opinion
31:13
won't change on them at all, and I know every fucking scene and
31:16
every line and every. But I just feel good watching
31:19
them, you know? Yeah, it's nice to have a bit of
31:21
sturdiness in your life with your Doctor Who.
31:23
Yeah, definitely more sturdy than that rig anyway.
31:26
Yes, indeed, Dylan. The fact that Norman Stewart got
31:31
given a second chance after Underworld, like because
31:35
Underworld was, would have been a massive issue for many a
31:38
director, being Douglas Campfield or Norman Stewart.
31:42
And while the studio stuff isn't the most dynamic, he's working
31:46
with some very plain sets that seem quite small.
31:49
But the location stuff looks fabulous, so you get some
31:51
interesting shots. And you know, I'm looking
31:54
forward to seeing that location footage polished up when it
31:57
eventually appears on the collection box set, because I
32:00
think it'll look really fucking good.
32:03
And I'll end it in typical hamster fashion and just say all
32:07
of that lovely green flesh on display.
32:09
I mean, I do like a nice calf and you do get to see some
32:12
lovely calves and fires in this. Big green cock.
32:18
I would have been on location. I would have scrubbed them all
32:20
down afterwards. You can see how far up there are
32:22
so that green makeup goes. Oh, no way.
32:26
That's what got John Barrowman in trouble, wasn't it?
32:29
Fellas, where are we heading next?
32:32
We're going to the Pertwee era, aren't we?
32:34
Are we doing it? What are we doing?
32:36
We're going to do terror of the autumn.
32:38
Yeah, yeah. Who chose this?
32:43
I think it was you and I because I think we both have very
32:46
differing opinions on it. Oh, you hate it then?
32:49
I just I I don't hate it, but I have a lot of issues with the
32:53
Pertwee era. That all starts with this story.
32:56
Well, Luke. I absolutely love tariff.
32:58
The Autons come. On I'm sort of more in Luke's
33:01
camp, but I do see some of Dylan's things.
33:05
So this is great. We're going to have a nice
33:06
because we were all a bit on the same page here.
33:08
It wasn't, were we? I thought before, you know,
33:12
you've done a lot of commentaries, but I think the
33:14
plan is, and I, I made this plan and neither of you agreed we
33:17
should make sure we've done one for each doctor.
33:20
I like that plan. That's lovely.
33:22
We've we've done it, Jodie, we said about Orphan 55.
33:24
We'll do that as well. Yeah, but we've done we've, I
33:26
reckon we've done 7 or 8 doctors, so, you know, we've got
33:29
a few more to oh God, we've got to do a gap fuck.
33:33
Wait, wait till series 2 comes out.
33:35
There might be something amazing in there.
33:37
I hear episode 4 is great. Which one's that?
33:40
Lucky day, the one without shitty gap.
33:43
But genuinely from people in the know.
33:46
Is that the Pete Mctighe one? Yeah, the one with the monster,
33:50
that sort of weird gargoyle where you type monster.
33:54
Oh. Wow, I couldn't say for.
33:56
Certain. Lucky day and I hear Episode 5's
33:58
a bit of a belt. Episode 5's the one I'm most
34:00
excited about. Which one's that?
34:03
The Juno Dawson one. No.
34:06
I'm not watching that shit. She wrote against.
34:10
She wrote a brilliant 13th Doctor.
34:12
Book also she wrote Redacted which is fucking great.
34:15
So it's not against Juno, I just, you know, I, I cannot Co
34:19
sign the level of bullshit that I think is going to be in that
34:22
story. I think you're going to love
34:24
Season 2, yeah. I've got a feeling, I've got a
34:27
feeling I might like it, but I'm just going to let it settle, get
34:31
spoiled, and then go in where when I need to, you know why?
34:35
Would you do it that way, you Batman?
34:38
That's the last season, just. Watch it.
34:41
The last season was so disappointing.
34:42
Stop taking it so seriously. Just stop doing.
34:46
It's just ATV show we've devoted our fucking lives to if.
34:50
Someone had told me it was just ATV series.
34:52
I would have. I could have changed my entire
34:54
life. How can we end this in a crow
34:57
sort of way? Crow, crow, crow, crow.
35:01
Come on, Luke, Crow. I'm going to cut it.