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Bringing Up Old Sh*t · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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Coming up on this week's episode of hip Hop Now podcast, Mob Deep and
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the Stove, Sample on Shook One's Part two, Childish Gambino and that Drake
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this record and my thoughts on the Ransom and Nicholas Craven Project Director's Cut four.
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He did it Again, Let's do it. Welcome to hip Hop Now
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really quick. So if you don't know, and you frequent the Internet or
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the Internet's shout out rescipiece to combat Jack, you know or you don't know
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that Twitter has been a very crazy place. I once did a podcast called
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hip Hop Twitter where I took well, actually you're gonna get it tasted that
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a little bit later today, but I would I would basically take takes from
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hip hop Twitter with my homie Yins and react to him. Right, it's
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a whole podcast, is about two or three seasons or whatever some would guess.
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Blah blah blah, and hip hop Twitter is a thing, just like
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black Twitter is a thing. It's like a group of individuals on Twitter who
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really only talk about hip hop. That's what they tweet about, that's what
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they listen to, that's what they debate. They do spaces hip hop Twitter.
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It's like an unofficial community. Well, Elon Musk bought Twitter, and
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as you know, things have happened where a lot of people are unhappy,
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some people left, blah blah blah. But over this past weekend and view
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from the future, you know, to get your ass out of here.
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But during the July fourth weekend, we had a couple of competitors Series Competitors
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Challenge Twitter one being spilled which black Twitter kind of rushed that joint. But
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it's very different from Twitter, somewhere in between Twitter and Instagram right in its
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style and it's kind of fun. But right now it's in beta form,
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so it's only available on iPhone and invite only, But that's just so the
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app will work for the people are using it. That's what beta means.
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It's a testing phase. But the other app that was ready when it launched,
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well ready, just not a beta but ready as in its operational is
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a joint call Threads, and it's made by Meta, the organization or the
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company that owns Facebook and Instagram. It is a direct link to Instagram.
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So if you have an Instagram account and followers, you can instantly move your
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profile or attach your profile to Threads and kind of retain all your followers and
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use it like Twitter. It's more like Twitter, right, So you know,
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the hip hop heads aheaded there, so we don't know what's going to
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happen, but for you and for now, we are including a feature on
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this show that used to be a part of my other podcast, Hip Hop
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Twitter Later, stay tuned for that. And let me just make sure that
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you know we all set up for that. We set up, We set
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up, Yeah, we set up. Okay, cool. So with that
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being said, let's get right into the business. Mob Deep and the stove
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sample. Now, this is on hip Hop dx dot com. Havoc debunks
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Mob Deep Shook Ones Part two stove sample myth. Now, if you don't
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know, and you're like, well, what is the myth? What are
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you talking about? What is this? If you know the song Shook Ones
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right to all the Killers and one hundred dollar billars that one. When it
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starts, there's a ticking sound and according to Havoc, it's a project ghetto
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stove ticking sound. That said what he described it as. But it's a
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stove ticking sound. You know, when you're gonna light the gas stove and
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it ticks before the flames hit. That sound that tick. Wow. The
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myth is that that was a stove in the crib and he exampled it.
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But Havoc says, sometimes the myth is better than the truth. Let's read,
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let's see. So Havoc debunked has debunked the longstanding myths surrounding the stove
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sample of Mob Deep's classic song on Mob Deep's classic song Shook One's Part two.
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In a new interview with series Sex Radio, he had this to say,
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in our quote, you don't want a myth take a life of his
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own, takes on a life of his own, have it. Sorry?
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You just be like, effort. You don't want to hurt nobody's feelings,
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so you just agree with the myth. I'd be like, all right,
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effort. Yeah, it's from the stove. Now. He does go on
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to say, the truth of the matter is that the high hat that I
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used on the actual track of Shook Ones sounds similar to a project stove or
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just the stove, because I don't live in the projects in my stove I
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used to, but my stove in the suburbs sounds the exact same way.
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So people made a correlation thinking I used the stove for the actual track because
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in the video it's the first thing that comes along along with the record,
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and they hear the head and they hear the stove. So yeah, now
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what's crazy about that is when I first heard that song and throughout the ends,
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I never thought that sound was the sound of a stove being laid.
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Now, when you think about it, with all the cook cook coke rats
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that exist to this day, it would be dope. Like he said,
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it's actually dope when you think about it. But I also didn't think that
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was a high hat when I heard it. I don't know. I guess
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I thought it was the metro normal something. I thought it was something.
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But nevertheless it's it's not a stove. So the myth of or the legend
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of the song stove clicking sound and mob deeps shook One's part two. It's
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just that a myth. He it's a it's a legend. Probably kind of
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sucks that he dispelled it. He probably should have left that there. He
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probably should have made a song where he does sample the stove making that clicking
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sound, so then people didn't go even crazy or like yo he did.
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He did the stove thing, but all throughout the beat, I don't know,
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but it is interesting to learn that that was something people thought and for
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Havoc to point, I was just like, yo, it's just the way
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the high hat sound sound like a ticking stove. They have it. Childish
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Gambino or Donald Glover as some of y'all knowed him from Atlanta, he had
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confessed that this Is America was originally a this song towards Drake. That is
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interesting. That is really interesting. Let's see what we can fund. One
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of the headlines blast a Gambino and the twenty eighteen anthem, which the Atlanta
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created previously admitted, started out as a Drake this so started out as a
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Drake this, so let's see. I had the idea three years before,
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he explained. I told Director Hero the idea. He's like, oh wait
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a minute, So this is this is deeper than I thought. We may
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have to read this. This is also on Hip Hop dx dot com.
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So the thing is is the song by Childish Gambino was originally started out as
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a dis song towards Drake and Donald Glover or Childish Gambino revealed that recently Drake
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did a concert recently and he didn't say anything, but they had a ticker
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going across the bottom of whatever he was showing that said the song is overrated.
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Now I have a problem with that, but we'll get back to it.
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This is on Hip Hop dx dot com. Drake has shaded childish Gambinos
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This is America. During the opening night of his and twenty one savages It's
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All a Blur tour in Chicago while Drizzy performing headlines on Wednesday, news headlines
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began running on a digital ticker through the side of the United Center stage.
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One of the head lines blasted Gambino and its twenty eighteen anthem, which the
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Atlanta creator previously admitted started out as a Drake this This is what the ticker
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said. The overrated and over awarded hit song This Is America was originally a
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Drake this interesting. Glover's provocative This is America top the Billboard Hot one hundred
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in May twenty eighteen, and it's now three times platinum. Speaking to GQ,
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Gambino touched on his icy relationship with Drake and admitted the song started out
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as a joke and Drizzy distract I had the idea three years before, he
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explained, told director whoever ever the idea, and he's like, I really
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want to do that. The idea for the song started as a joke,
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to be completely honest, this is America. That was all we had was
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that line. He continued, It started as a Drake this to be honest,
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as like a funny way of doing it. But then I was like,
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the issue sounds kind of hard though, so I was like, let
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me play with it, boy, cause elsewhere we're just gonna stop. Right
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there, A couple of issues I have for this. You know, when
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you say something started out as a disc to another artist, it's going to
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be news. You know. Aubrey aka Drake is very emotional. You know,
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at some point, if he hasn't already, it's going to say something
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or do something as he did with his Taker thing, because that's who he
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is, and maybe it is a method to this madness. Now the song
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being over awarded and overrated, I think it is debatable. I don't like
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it because of what it represented at that time, right because to me to
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take a jab at a song that was originally supposed to sort of started out
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as a disc record, but it really only had one line that said,
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this is America. He hasn't said anything about you, so why would you
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be angry? I know you can be angry or upset or bothered by the
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fact that he was going to this you on a record, but he didn't.
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It turned into something else, And to downplay the success of a song
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that was along with all right, that was directly tied and connected to things
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that were going on in this country at the time, meaning black lives matter
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and the killings of innocent black men and women by police across the country.
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Right, And we know this happens across the world, but specifically at that
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time, that song represented something to somebody. And maybe and why I say
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he kind of has a point, it is only because I think visually it
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did more than it did sonically, because if you were like me, you
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saw the video first, then the song meant something different because you had the
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visuals to go with the lyrics. If you heard the song first, then
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maybe you didn't get it, maybe you didn't really like it. Maybe it
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just didn't have the same impact the video. And really is more about the
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direction of the video, right, Howard was directed. That's what was dope
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about it. It was how it was directed. Right, So the song
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was like a soundtrack to this thing, as opposed to it's this great song
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that just happens to have a great video, and sometimes people just it goes
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hand in hand because the video has now enhanced the song. You get what
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I'm saying. So I from sonically and as an artist, I get what
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Drake might be saying. But also I don't remember any Drake records that were
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synonymous with messages as it pertains to Black Lives Matter at that time when he's
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recorded all kinds of things. Kendrick did it, child Is Gambino did it,
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Joey Badass did it, Little Baby did it. A couple of couple
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of them did it. So to me, just let that headline of what
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child is getting. Beino said about a potential disrecord, let it go.
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But this is hip hop, and I don't want to see a pusher T
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versus Jim Jones Battam. But I think I want to see a childish game
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Beano versus Trade. I think I want to see that. I think I
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really want to see that because it's a lot of similarities there with those two.
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As it relates to the music. They make, the acting a singing,
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it could kind of get kind of crazy. I'm not saying they got
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to do all of this in the record I'm talking about. They're both creative
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cats, right, it would be interesting. So there you have it.
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And lastly, so not that long ago, Ransom Rapper, who've been in
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this game for a while now, put out the fourth iteration of his project,
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his series Director's Cut, this one being Director's Cut four. What's the
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full time? The Director's Cut four, Rise of the Machines right, kind
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of like a Terminator theme. It's ten tracks, thirty three minutes. Originally
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it was released on this website where you know, you could purchase it.
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It was exclusive. You could purchase it and gain access to the album,
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and you know other perks like I think, like an autograph or something like
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that. I'll leave a link to the description in this episode so you can
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get to that length. Because support hip hop, right hip hop. But
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I'm a busy man, y'all. I'm not even gonna lie. I'm an
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old I'm an older cat. I'm not the oldest guy you may know,
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but I'm old enough to need time and space in order to listen to the
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music. I like half the time I listened in the gym. I'm just
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not gonna navigate on my phone trying to work out to get to your album
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through a site I've never used before, right, so I was getting around
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to it, but never did well. Nicholas Craven and Ransom release the album
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or the project on all streaming services. I'm pretty sure it's on iTunes also,
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so you can go and buy it. That way, he'll get the
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bread. He'll get more in this other length, but he'll still get the
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bread. But it was my opportunity to finally hear it after I guess a
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week or two of it being album. And if you have been keeping score
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with this podcast and my last episode before they run the Jewels episode where I
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talked about my top five and how this top five I have of the year
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so far could be completely different. Two slots have already changed. One was
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the addition of Killer Mike's Michael. The other one now is Ransoms Directors Cut
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four features include Shade, Noir, Ty lit Quality, Nick Grant, Crooked
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Eye, among others. This man is It's one of those things I've heard
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Ransom a long time ago, you know, mixtapes and all that, and
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I always thought it was nice and I always wonder what happened to him.
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But when you talk about MC's aging well with their craft. Not many do.
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Some regrets, right, get worse. Right, they don't know how
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to find the pocket when it comes to rapping anymore, or they pick beats
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or make terrible choices, or they feel like they got to make the music
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of the kids right in order to sustain their their wealth. Some rappers celebrity
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are bigger than their pockets, right, and you see it in the moves
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they make and then specifically with their music. For Ransom Man is just this
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album. It's for those of you out there who want to hear punchlines,
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bars, quotables, whatever way you want to characterize it. If you need
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to listen to everything being said. Um, there's concepts within versus. There's
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concepts within lines, there's concepts within songs. That's concepts within the album.
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Right, Rise of the Machine terminate the theme. And every time he does
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this, whether it's the Directors Cuts albums or or the other albums he had
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that kind of had a specific theme pertaining to film or or you know,
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whatever it may be, or just pop culture in general. Just keep doing
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that, Ransom, because this, this this project, just it makes me
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proud that hip hop still exists in this way, that there is an artist
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who's not a new artist who's hungry and for attention, so artists who could
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have gave up a while ago. It's an artist who could just be happy
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with three fans and that's it. He going for it every time. For
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example, there is one song, and forgive me if I do not know
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the name. It maybe Manchurian candidate, I'm not sure, but leave the
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comment in a comment section. But he does have a song right where I'm
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sitting here working out in the gym, listening like I usually do for the
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first time, and I'm just like, yeah, this album's crazy. I'm
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feeling it, and I'm listening to this one song and he's talking about not
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taking the vaccine and playing for Duke and and all that stuff, and I'm
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like, damn, I didn't know all of that was going on with this
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man. Then at the end of the verse he said, who am I?
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And I was like, oh it, Kyrie Irving, you just described
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him. Is it something that's gonna blow you away change your life? Probably
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not, but it does raise a certain level of excitement of excitement in me
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as a hip hop head, because we just don't get people who want to
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commit to just doing the hip hop, right, everybody trying to be rich,
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everybody trying to be the ultimate drug deal at everybody trying to be the
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most popular person, trying to cross genres, you know, saying I'm gonna
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wrap over traps to the kids, like everybody doing all this other stuff.
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But what happened to just pure creativity, whatever happened to concepts that stuffing?
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I know I'm going I know, I'm going a little bit long, But
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you know, when this man was writing this stuff, you knew it.
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He knew it was going to be ill and he was writing it for the
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heads. Had to be because that's who's going to dig it, and it's
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not an exclusive club. But it's just makes so much sense, honestly.
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So again this is my impressions of this project. But again, Ransom and
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Nicholas Craven Director's Cut four Rising Machines. It's one of the best albums of
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the year, hands down, no debating it so far. Right, we'll
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see what happens, see what happens. That top five is really competitive for
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me at this point when it started off kind of slow, starting to pick
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up a little bit. So before we end the show, we're gonna do
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a little segment that will be featured probably monthly for now until Twitter disappears,
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if we gotta call it something else, but we are adding as I mentioned
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hip hop Twitter as a segment on hip Hop Down podcast. So to my
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correspondent against what a hip hop twitter heads talking about this week, High Spice
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got so many quotable lines it's insane. I might be jumping the gun a
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little bit here, but she really reminds me of a reasonable Doubt Ra Jason.
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Yeah, oh yeah. You jumped out, you jumped the guns,
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you jumped out of window, you jumped off of a speed and tro You
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need to jump into a pool of pranhas it stupid? Stop it stop stop
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stop. IM not gonna do this. This is why threads and Spill and
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Blue Sky and Master Don, this is why Twitter is gonna be sparsed and
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gone, hip hop twitters out of control. There's nothing, respectfully, there
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is nothing about Ice Spice and her music. Pick one blind folks, yourself,
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pick pick a song out right. There's nothing about her music that's even
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comparable to Reasonable Doubt and jay Z. Nothing. There's there's no Brooklyn,
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There's nothing there right, there's no there's nothing there to draw the connection at
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all, in my opinion, if you want to. I mean, there's
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barely anything there for someone like a little to have comparisons a little Kim or
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Foxy or whoever. Right, this is just a hot take. This person
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would need to give me more information as to why they would say that.
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But at the end of the day, I don't even know if this person
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knows what they're talking about. Some people just like to be the captain of
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the team, the president of the fan club of an artist just because sometimes
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they do it just because they like them. They know they're artists, but
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they don't know the artists they're comparing them too. That's the problem, right,
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They know the artists they love, so they can argue why they think
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they're great. Of course you like them, but how can you compare them
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to someone who's so different. That suggests to me that you don't even know
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the project or the artist you're comparing them too. You don't know that work,
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because if you did, you wouldn't even draw those comparisons. They were
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too different. And if you just like saying things because you think eventually they'll
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be true, you know, eventually you'll realize you don't have many friends,
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and eventually you hopefully will stop saying that. So there you have it.
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