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Voting Wrap-Up: The System Is Broken & We’re Done Pretending (Full) · Solving America's Problems

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Alex: Welcome to Solving America’s Problems — Jerremy and Dave just
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wrapped their multi-week dive into who actually votes in this country,
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and one number stopped them cold.
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Eighty-seven percent of congressional races are already decided before
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a single vote gets cast — locked in at the primary stage because of
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gerrymandering and safe districts.
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Eighty-seven percent.
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That means in most elections, the general election is theater — the
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winner’s known months earlier.
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Dave sat there stunned, then said out loud what nobody wants
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to admit: for the overwhelming majority of Americans, your vote in
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November literally changes nothing.
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Jerremy didn’t push back — he just stared at the same stat.
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They spent weeks hunting fixes, from national voting holidays to county-based
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districts to ranked-choice experiments… and still came face-to-face with that 87%.
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How do you build trust in a system where nine out of ten races are rigged
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before the campaign even starts…
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Dave: And here we are.
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Jerremy: Yes.
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kickoff to ballot box number three,
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Rethinking Who Votes in America.
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That was fun.
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Everyone.
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Dave: We say that every time.
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That was fun.
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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Everyone loves our wrap-ups.
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The, what did we learn?
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Where did we go?
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What did we study?
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Who did we hear from?
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Dave: Yeah,
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Jerremy: And I felt like we did a really unique job of spraying this
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up over many weeks, many days,
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Dave: we did.
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Jerremy: many months.
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Hear, hearing from different people, hearing different thoughts,
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hearing different ideas, concerns.
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I actually ended up meeting with Reed in person in Vegas like two weeks ago.
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Dave: Nice.
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Jerremy: So we had some some more good follow-up conversation,
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but yeah, I enjoyed it, man.
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I think it'd be fun for people to learn or hear about where you started
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when we entered this, like where you were at on this whole journey.
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Dave: I think like a lot of people I I started with this general feeling,
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Hey, this isn't working, this doesn't work, this isn't working for me.
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The, this whole voting thing, this just seems ridiculous.
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And then you don't know what to believe with oh, voting fraud and hanging chads
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and like there's been nothing but voting fraud as the, it seems like the highest
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best use of political capital since 2016.
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It's just been Russians and stuffed ballot boxes.
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And nobody feels good about that, right?
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It's like you want your vote to count and yet underneath it all,
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like I knew things weren't right with things like gerrymandering.
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And that came up over and over again.
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So it felt very, like the process was broken for me, right?
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It's and there's a, there's this this creeping ni nihilism,
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I don't know how to say it,
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Of well who watches the watchers, if the people who are in charge of this, or the
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ones in charge of reforming it, and it's in their best interest to keep it exactly
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the same because they wanna stay in power, like it gets dark really quick, right?
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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Dave: So I, I think that's, I started in that space of, okay, this is a problem.
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Everybody knows it's a problem and we can't do anything about it.
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And that did evolve for me, I'd say.
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How about you?
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Where did you start in this?
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Jerremy: I started I believe from the, and I probably have a lot of this still, but
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definitely started from the perspective of we need more data, more numbers.
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A little bit more strictness to it and more sure, let's call it protocols.
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Putting very strategic things in place.
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And one of the, one of the aspects that definitely shifted in a nice way was
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the like national holiday for voting.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: That's actually probably a really great way to make it
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more standardized, to make it more available, to make it more open so that
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everyone does take off work from it and they actually have access to it.
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And that aspect, you have the ability to track more data
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: again, with AI and technology, just make it a little bit more seamless.
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I do think that there's still, I don't think we've solved for that yet.
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With all the different ways to vote, with like mail-in
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ballots and so on and so forth.
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But I do believe that there's some something there where it's one or
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two more deep dives into the do we track, how do we know for sure?
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Did these people vote or not?
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: especially if you were registered to vote and you didn't vote, why not?
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If you did register to vote and you voted awesome, like I don't really.
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Worry about personally having that data being shared.
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I think that could be something that'd be very easy to be privatized
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Secure way.
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But yeah, man I did, I enjoyed it.
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I enjoyed the journey.
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It was really fun to just have that conversation.
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I definitely was convinced that stricter identification and process integrity
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were central to voter confidence.
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And I still see slash saw civic participation through a lens
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of individual responsibility and procedural rigorousness.
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Dave: yeah.
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Yeah.
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Jerremy: So it it enjoyable to know that I, after, and we'll get to it later,
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but speaking to Rob, there's definitely people who really care about the process,
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: about the numbers, who do care about the data, who do truly
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are putting in the mathematical sequences to figure this stuff out.
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get really dialed in.
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Dave: That's, I didn't participate in the discussion was wrong.
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I was in the background for those of you, I think we addressed it
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a little bit at the top of this.
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These are launching right now as we're recording this.
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I was there, but I, as you can hear from my voice I'm still recovering a
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bit from a wee bit of a virus that, that that grabbed me and held me down.
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But I was listening to it and I was re-listening to Rob and I. I
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love that we have advocates that are so passionate about that he's
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devoted his entire life to this.
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And that's the piece that gives me hope, right?
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It tamps down that, that nihilism of oh, we can't do anything when
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we like, oh, but we have people and he's made big changes with the
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proportionate voting, the rank choice, voting, those things have happened.
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And the one that, that is, I think the easiest one that we can do that
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would actually help quite a bit would be that national holiday.
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That's gonna be a hard one.
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Not for people, for anybody in power to say that's a bad idea.
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Like that's an easy one.
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And it's not one of those direct fixes, but it's on the side of it.
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It'll be like, okay, if we're getting more people to, to participate.
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We're gonna have more people who are going to want reform.
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I think approaching voting reform head on is a, is it is just, it's always
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going to hit up against the people who are gonna wanna keep it the same.
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So we have to like, we have to hit at it at the side and the is gonna
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be like national holiday, that means we're gonna get more people involved.
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That means with more voices, more people, more power around that, then
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that will lead to bigger, better things.
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And I think that's my favorite one that came out of all of this,
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which was, yeah, national holiday.
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That seems like an easy win.
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Jerremy: That's exactly from all the things we discussed, that does
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seem pretty pretty reasonable.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: You can't Hey, you wanna change voting?
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Why do you wanna change voting?
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'cause you like to vote.
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It makes a lot of sense.
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It's a national, let's make it a holiday
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Dave: Totally.
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Jerremy: because it's once every what, two years, let's probably say that would.
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Dave: Yeah.
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In November, it'd be like we can bump it up near Thanksgiving maybe, or maybe
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it's a, may maybe it'd be the what, the second Tuesday in November, right?
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Jerremy: Yeah,
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Dave: Or first Tuesday in November.
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I don't know which one it is.
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Jerremy: Tuesday of November.
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Dave: Tuesday in November, right?
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Yeah, that sounds good to me.
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Jerremy: Hey, I like it, man.
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Let's just make that, let's just push that law through.
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Dave: I think that's an easy one.
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I think we can actually make that one happen, right?
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That feels very doable, gets more people involved, people
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who wanna have the day off.
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They can just have the day off.
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We can make parties out of it.
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We can, have voting drives.
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There's so many things.
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I, I hear you on the ID thing, and I, we, we talked to Reed, we talked to
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oh, we talked to, oh, Tyler, right?
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We've talked about ID a few times and, like I live here in, in Florida
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where, strict id you have to show it.
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I do hear, and I heard it a bit from from our last guest of yeah.
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Like there are still a bunch of people who don't have IDs and
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that's a significant barrier.
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I still keep coming back to where we landed on it, which
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is let's fix that problem.
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Everybody should have an id.
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Let's make it inexpensive, easy.
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Let's have the ID buses in all of the neighborhoods that need to have them.
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It's like having an ID is pretty basic, pretty straightforward, and I
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think we can overcome those objections by fixing the ID part of this.
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I think there's always gonna be edge cases of people who may not, if they're
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just new to the country and they don't have some source documentation,
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but you can get there, right?
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You can get there with Hey, this is who I am.
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I test who I am, this is how I get a gas bill, this address,
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this is, on and on, right?
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My buddy Jerremy says, this is who I am.
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So
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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Dave: I think let's fix the ID thing, but let's fix it separately.
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And then you can definitely use it for things like voting.
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And I think it's okay to tie those things together, I think.
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I think you're all for that, right?
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Jerremy: I'm all for that.
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Yep.
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I'm, that's, I vote yes.
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Hearing Yeah.
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Tyler talk about it and Reed and Rob and really all from different perspectives.
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I was intrigued to learn how many people had a relatively strong opinion on it.
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Outside of our three guests, there were a lot of people that
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were like, no, don't do that.
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'cause you're gonna disenfranchise or you're gonna, you're gonna
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create too much separation.
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Or there's a lot of people that don't have that, and that's unfair.
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And I do exactly agree with what you said, and I think really what
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we said is, man, we can fix that.
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That's
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Dave: Yeah,
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Jerremy: right?
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Dave: easy,
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Jerremy: get everyone an ID
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Dave: right?
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Jerremy: and then just make it a requirement
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Dave: It's gonna be free, you can't afford it.
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Here's your id.
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Great.
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It doesn't even have to be a driver's license or anything.
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It'd just be like, like walking around Id, this is you, this is who you are.
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You can use it for all sort of things.
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You can use it to, to check out books at your library, whatever, right?
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Jerremy: All kinds of things.
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Having an idea, like if you want to go to the gym,
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Dave: That was the story.
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You couldn't go work out because you didn't have your.
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Jerremy: go work out at Lifetime Fitness in Laguna Beach, California
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: buddies,
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Dave: Nope.
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Jerremy: don't have an id.
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You can't get jacked without an id.
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So you need some.
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So that is a, am a. Legal system of the us I think that's just
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a valid, useful thing to have.
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Dave: Yeah
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Jerremy: I do agree with, I think Reid was really one who brought up.
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It was like I really don't think, illegal immigrants are flooding to the booths
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and making a bunch of votes anyway.
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And I agree with that.
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I don't think that's
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Dave: We talked about that too, and I think I'm a little bit more liberal
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on this, meaning that regardless of your legal status whether you're
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a citizen or not, let's just leave it at that US citizen versus not.
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You live here, right?
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You have a vested interest by living in your community.
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I am totally fine.
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With regardless of immigration status, if you are a student from someplace
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else, if you are, a permanent resident, if you're like, whatever it is, you are
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here in the United States and you are here for the next one year, five year
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indefinitely, whatever it is, right?
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You have a ve vested interest in your community.
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So yeah, you should be able to vote in your local elections.
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You should be able to vote in your county-wide stuff, and who's
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gonna be collecting your garbage and picking up stray dogs and your
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local ordinances on, on, on noise.
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And like all of that stuff is a part of you and your community.
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And then maybe states can decide whether or not you can
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do state, level stuff or not.
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I tend to think yeah, that, regardless of your status, you should be able to
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do state stuff when it gets to be like federal and your federal representation.
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Yeah, I think that really is for citizens.
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I don't know why I feel that way, but it just, it that
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feels more you're an American.
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So you're voting on America, like I'm of the mindset that like,
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if you live in a community, you should be able to vote in community
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regardless of your quote unquote,
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Jerremy: yeah, I
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Dave: nation of origin,
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Jerremy: no, I actually love that perspective.
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I love that perspective.
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I think it would be more of a, again, from the ID perspective of if people
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have, this is who I am, are you?
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If you're a student, you're like, oh, I walk into the thing.
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Here's my student visa.
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Oh, you're here legally.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: Anyone who's here illegally,
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: yeah, absolutely.
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Vote in anything local.
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'cause you live here.
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Dave: You live here,
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Jerremy: You're buying food, you're buying
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Dave: right?
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Jerremy: so you're
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Dave: Yeah,
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Jerremy: all that good stuff.
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If you're here illegally, I don't think you should be voting in anything.
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Dave: really?
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I don't know.
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I don't care about the legal status all that much.
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'cause going back to our immigration debate,
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Jerremy: Yep.
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Dave: Let's fix the, let's fix the, everybody's here to work, so
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let's fix it on the working side.
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And I, so I'm like, look, if it, regardless, I really am.
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It's regardless of status, if you live in an area, you should
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be able to vote on something.
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I dunno.
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Jerremy: what I like when Reid was essentially saying there hasn't really
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ever been a specific, influx or a diatribe of very particular people.
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They're like, let's totally swing something.
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'cause we're all, we're illegal and we're all gonna vote this one way and
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we're gonna bring in a cartel member.
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he's gonna become, he's gonna become mayor,
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Dave: That would be interesting.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I can imagine some scenarios where I might backtrack.
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Jerremy: But soft scenarios.
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Dave: Right.
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Jerremy: 'cause, because, yeah, I think it's just again, back to the
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ID part, that just seems so easy
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Dave: So straightforward.
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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Everyone could just get lucky.
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I'm a human and I really like living here.
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It's a great country.
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Here's an id, I am that person.
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Yeah, it'd be really fun.
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Make it makes Starbucks orders a lot easier.
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You can just show them your card.
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Hey, here's my, here's who I am, here's how my name is spelled.
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And then the Starbucks barista writes it correctly.
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Dave: I can already hear the civil libertarians in our audience.
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Just dying on the inside going, no, I don't watch an id.
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No.
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Jerremy: Well, I. But they already, the civil libertarians
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already have an id, right?
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Dave: But it's in your name, right?
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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It's good times.
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Good times.
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Dave: So yeah we talked to Reid.
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That was great.
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That was God that feels so long ago.
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Then we talked to Tyler.
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Jerremy: Yep.
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Both are fun.
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Yeah.
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Reid's a civic observer.
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Had he just, he loved it.
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He's in it.
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He loves talking politics.
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We sat down for breakfast, three minutes in boom.
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Politics.
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It was like politics and stocks and money.
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That was the breakfast conversation.
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And it was nice.
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It was interesting that he illustrated how distrust elections is cultivated, right?
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It's not really accidental, which makes.
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Perfect sense.
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And he definitely positioned himself in a way that gerrymandering the
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foundational democratic flaw.
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And
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Dave: It is it the deep wound?
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When it gets down to it, we didn't find, I, maybe next time I'm gonna find
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somebody who's yeah, gerrymandering.
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Go gerrymandering.
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Jerremy: It's the best.
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I love salamanders.
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Yeah.
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Dave: It's yeah, I don't think we're, again, that's just like people wanting
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to stay in power for the sake of power.
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And that's all, partisan politics.
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And it has nothing to do with representation.
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It has nothing to do that's when it, it feels the most to me,
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that, our representatives care the least about us when it affects
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their ability to keep their job.
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Jerremy: On gerrymandering.
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You said ah let's find someone that made this awesome.
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Dave: Oh
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Who watches the watchers?
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Like I, is, we're seeing it now with, states wanting to redistrict
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right now in time for, for midterms coming up this time next year.
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So California's gonna add, Florida's gonna add, Texas is
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gonna add, new York's gonna add.
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Everybody's gonna add like a bunch of representatives, try
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and balance each other out and try to get like the upper hand.
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None of it actually serves any of the voters at all.
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This is just, as politicians being politicians,
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Jerremy: Yep.
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Dave: I fixing gerrymandering isn't going to be a thing that we can do.
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Not until we, we take it out of the hands of politicians,
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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Dave: Like that's, this is not gonna be it.
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Jerremy: Un unless unless we have an AI redraw borders or something.
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Dave: I love it.
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But then
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Jerremy: But again, you gotta take it outta the hands.
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Yeah.
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Dave: be like, okay.
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Yeah
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Jerremy: hey Jerry, you can't draw your district lines in North Carolina.
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Dave: And you brought this up, I think more than once, you brought it up with,
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I think in every single one of ours, which is look we already have counties.
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Like, why what's the deal here?
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Like why do we have anything else?
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But, and man, that makes so much more sense to me.
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And like for Miami-Dade for the county, I, because of how many million
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people live here, I would just get, five representatives that would
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Jerremy: Yep.
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Dave: Miami-Dade, and it's not, like this particular district, it's
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this county like, and all five of 'em, and in a more sparse area, they
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might have two or three counties.
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And that, I don't know that seems so straightforward, so simple.
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It's like we don't need gerrymandering.
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We already have
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Jerremy: Correct.
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Dave: boundaries.
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They're already
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Jerremy: They're already there.
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They're already drawn.
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Just stop with the politic games.
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Yeah.
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So that that one's, that's the one that I'm, I love that we
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both beautifully agree on that.
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That also sounds really easy.
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And you know what?
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It's pretty straightforward, right?
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All that stuff is already done.
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It's already there.
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It's already outlined for us.
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There's not a lot of whole, not a lot of work that we need to do.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: So that was nice.
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I re-listened to some of Tyler's episodes, really just yesterday and.
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I like that guy, man.
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I love me some Tyler.
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He lives in Vegas.
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I'm excited to hang out with him again soon.
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Dave: Fantastic.
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Jerremy: Yeah, just really cool guy.
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He just had a, he was very connected to what he would feel like was like
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the moral endurance of this country.
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His, he had a big emphasis on individual integrity and kind of
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reframed voting as a reflection of personal virtue, which I liked.
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It was really nice.
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Yeah.
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Dave: this is, that's gonna change behavior more than anything else,
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is if we make it cool to vote,
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And we make it about, your.
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To be the best person that you are.
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You are, part of your, part of the areas that you work in are your
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community, yourself, your health, your mental, your spiritual, all
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of these components are part of it.
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And one of them is civic.
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And I don't think we spend any time talking about how
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we're feeding our civic soul.
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and I think bringing that back to things that you talk about
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all the time is education.
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Growing up I did in my day like we did do like we had civics classes,
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like we, we talked about history, we talked about, civic engagement.
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We did a pledge, allegiance to the flag.
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Like the, these things were, they were part of being, just learning
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about who we are and what our responsibilities were as citizens.
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And I think.
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Making it cool to vote and ensuring that people are like, like this is important.
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And it's a thing then that in itself, without, even with a holiday, I
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think that in itself would be really helpful to just say, Hey, vote.
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Jerremy: Yep.
20:02
Dave: And I think
20:02
Jerremy: I,
20:03
Dave: from Tyler, right?
20:04
Jerremy: yeah, I did.
20:05
Man, you can't vote your way to virtue.
20:07
I just, I liked it and I dug him.
20:09
He was a cool dude.
20:10
Good energy.
20:10
Especially on this topic, and I think a lot of his, followers and listeners
20:14
enjoyed him being on the show.
20:16
And then you had your homie Rob Richie.
20:20
Dave: Oh I just, I'd reached out.
20:22
I, that was the first time I'd met Rob too.
20:25
I'd got turned on to, an organization in California that had a bunch of national
20:29
advocates on voting and voting reform.
20:31
And I reached out to everybody that was on the panel I got connected
20:35
with one, one group Nick, he wasn't able to join us just because our, the
20:39
timing of things just didn't work out.
20:41
But Rob was like right there, and I was super excited to have
20:44
Rob because he, he's a, he is an absolute rockstar in the field.
20:48
And I love people who are like famous in their vertical.
20:52
It's like I have a buddy I grew up with him.
20:54
He is, brother from another.
20:56
And he's really big in the pinball community.
20:59
He's done a lot of technology in there.
21:01
He's he does a lot of the programming.
21:03
He does a lot of, and he is done it for years and years.
21:05
And like the pinball community is fierce.
21:08
And I had no idea.
21:10
I had no, I knew nothing about them.
21:11
And then we were walking around in Vegas a few years back and he, people
21:15
were stopping him for his autograph.
21:17
And I'm like, what is going on?
21:19
And he goes yeah, like I'm super famous in this one, one area and they're just
21:24
rabid fans, so people want my autograph.
21:26
I'm like, that is the coolest.
21:28
So like Rob is, a long time advocate and a long time policy wonk.
21:34
He's, he lives and breathes this and I just, makes me happy to know that
21:40
people like Rob, they're out there and they are making a change like his work.
21:47
Led to actual reforms in New York State, in Alaska, in, in, in a variety of
21:53
areas for, proportional representation and for ranked choice voting, which
21:59
more complicated than they are.
22:00
But I think that both of those things, if we can get people to wrap their heads
22:04
around it, I think, those are cool too.
22:06
I don't know how politicians feel about them.
22:09
I have a feeling that if it somehow will, if they think that it might hurt
22:14
their chances of continuing what they're doing, that they seem to be against it.
22:17
But like in California, I had ranked choice not here in, in in Florida.
22:22
What's the deal in Nevada?
22:24
You know what?
22:25
haven't voted in Nevada lately, have you?
22:27
Jerremy: I haven't, no.
22:29
Yep.
22:29
So I'm not a hundred percent entirely sure,
22:32
Dave: You really got to talk to him.
22:34
I was hanging on for dear life.
22:35
What was
22:36
Jerremy: bro.
22:36
Glad you're alive.
22:38
Dave: Yeah,
22:39
Jerremy: Glad you're live after that episode.
22:41
I just, yeah, to your point, I like the people that focus on a niche
22:44
and the guy drilled down into it.
22:45
He is, he's in it.
22:47
And I think I, I believe I talked a little bit more about the proportional
22:51
voting than Rank Choice, but at the same time it's, it really isn't that
22:55
hard because most people, they do feel like they only have one real vote.
23:02
Like they're always saying you're voting between the lesser of two evils,
23:05
Dave: yeah.
23:05
Jerremy: they're like, I don't really wanna vote for either of these people.
23:08
But if some, so if someone's like, all right, I really actually kinda
23:10
like this person, so I'm gonna put them as my number one vote.
23:14
But you know what?
23:16
Trump, he's a scallywag, but he was a scallywag already
23:20
for four years previously.
23:22
I'll put 'em as number two.
23:24
And so then it's like, all right, you're really putting
23:26
the candidate that you want.
23:28
Then there's still Trump there.
23:30
And so you're still listing that vote.
23:32
And if everyone does that and they just mix and match who number one is,
23:36
they're slowly getting to actually vote.
23:37
But then number two wins.
23:39
'cause that was a majority
23:40
Dave: Take all right?
23:41
Like we're
23:41
The post.
23:42
That's how we are.
23:43
And
23:43
Choice changes that I, it was shocking to me to, to see the number,
23:51
the number that 87% every single election are already decided before
23:57
you even get to the ballot box.
23:59
Jerremy: Yeah.
23:59
Dave: Because of the, and they're effectively decided at the primary.
24:04
If you win the primary, it's what happens in New York, right?
24:06
If you're a Democrat in New York City and a mayor, you're gonna win.
24:11
there's, that's, it's already been decided.
24:14
Jerremy: Yeah.
24:15
Which, correct me if I'm wrong, I think that's the exact opposite
24:18
of what voting is supposed to do.
24:20
Okay.
24:21
Just making sure.
24:22
Just trying to remember that.
24:25
Yeah, man.
24:26
It's.
24:27
It's very unique and it's very fun.
24:29
It's very interesting.
24:29
Other than the general ones, I think we probably have an understanding of what
24:34
surprised you the most about why people don't vote from the entire conversations.
24:40
Dave: Did we talk about that?
24:41
As I'm thinking about it, it just seems know that people in my life who
24:44
do not vote, they are disinterested in politics to begin with.
24:49
It's not, it's not on their radar.
24:51
They don't follow it.
24:52
It's not their thing.
24:54
They don't, they're not up on current events.
24:56
It's just not on the radar, right?
24:57
They live their lives and they have full lives without any really
25:01
knowledge of what's going on in the world, which God bless 'em, I think
25:04
they'll probably outlive us all.
25:06
But the piece that goes with that is my vote doesn't matter.
25:11
Jerremy: Yeah,
25:12
Dave: What about you?
25:13
What why do you think people don't vote?
25:16
Jerremy: Yes.
25:18
So the reason I don't think people don't vote other than those two
25:22
probably really just is the feeling that it, the vote doesn't matter.
25:27
So it's less like probably back more to the disenfranchisement.
25:32
They're like, Hey, they already feel like a 7% of it's rigged anyway.
25:35
So it's pro, if you live in a red state.
25:39
Dave: Yeah.
25:40
Jerremy: Tennis, Tennessee, Kentucky, and you don't like a
25:43
Republican, what are you gonna do?
25:46
So it's almost like they're not gonna show, they're not gonna show up.
25:49
'cause they're like, oh I'm not even gonna, my vote doesn't matter.
25:52
It's not gonna, it's not gonna win.
25:53
Dave: yeah, but Barack Obama won Tennessee, so I, you know anybody who's
25:58
saying that, I'm like, I don't know, man.
26:00
I, I particularly with with who's defining what's a Republican and who's
26:06
defining well and the general dislike of the Democrats right now, the corporate
26:11
Democrats are at record low approval.
26:14
So they are starting their transformation that the Republicans
26:17
started effectively in 2011.
26:19
Which was the tea parties, that started re reforming and refactoring what
26:24
the Republicans thought they were.
26:26
And then Trump blew it all up.
26:29
And so like the shape of the Republican party today and the shape of the
26:32
party, with Mitt Romney, those are two different, those are alien species,
26:37
And they're still doing their evolution.
26:40
But, all of those deep red states were purple or Democrats for years and years.
26:46
And it was the, it was the Democrats that lost those states.
26:50
I hear it when somebody says my vote doesn't matter because I'm
26:54
a democrat in a red state, or I'm a Republican in a blue state.
26:58
I don't know, man.
26:59
Particularly if we're talking about rank choice voting and
27:01
the fickleness of voters.
27:03
I don't know.
27:04
Jerremy: I think I, I think it's just a realization that we can,
27:10
you have someone that just keeps championing the idea, right?
27:14
You just make it cool.
27:15
You start making it cool to vote.
27:16
People will just take it away.
27:17
Like in, you have the holiday and goes, Hey, regardless if your, who cares?
27:21
If you don't think your vote matters, it's.
27:25
It's just cool to do, just do it.
27:27
It's just fun.
27:28
You get a barbecue and then I think more people will kind, they
27:31
probably will end up doing it.
27:33
One thing that we didn't talk, I.
27:35
Dave: For every person who says, my vote doesn't matter.
27:37
I literally listen to a state representative in Virginia.
27:40
'cause Virginia has a vote.
27:42
This, like this time they're an off, they're an off year vote,
27:45
for governor and for their state.
27:47
And I heard one of the state reps say, yeah, I won my first district.
27:52
Nobody thought I would ever win and become a state rep. I said,
27:56
she said, I won it by 11 votes.
27:58
And I'm like, okay there, there your vote can really count, and we were talking
28:03
about the hanging chads here in Florida, like every vote actually did count if
28:07
you voted in in Florida in, in, 1999.
28:11
So it's I, I. I, I'm I'm gonna hear people saying, yeah, my vote doesn't count.
28:17
But I think that those are people who are already not civically
28:19
engaged and we gotta make it
28:20
Jerremy: Yeah,
28:21
Dave: It's
28:21
Jerremy: exactly.
28:22
Dave: it may not count and you're like, you may not believe it
28:24
counts, but it's gonna be cool,
28:25
Jerremy: yep.
28:26
Exactly.
28:27
It's gonna be a barbecue, bro.
28:28
We're gonna have a party.
28:29
It's gonna be really fun.
28:30
Yeah, I like that.
28:31
Two things we didn't actually talk about at all.
28:32
I don't believe, unless I just really spaced out.
28:36
Should we, thoughts on electoral college?
28:39
No one said that at all.
28:40
Dave: we
28:40
Jerremy: Do we just get rid of that and just do a popularity vote?
28:43
For let's, obviously we're talking federal, like primary
28:46
presidential candidate.
28:48
Best person wins.
28:49
Go out to the ballot box.
28:50
Get rid of the electoral college.
28:51
Thank you.
28:53
Dave: I, I hear you and you run into the same problem of small states don't matter.
28:59
Jerremy: They don't matter now with the electoral college.
29:02
Dave: Yeah, because we have swing, states.
29:04
Jerremy: You got the big Exactly.
29:05
You got the big states.
29:06
They don't matter now.
29:07
Like Nevada with its four votes, Wyoming, Montana, North
29:11
Dakota, South Dakota, Missouri
29:14
Dave: But if
29:14
Jerremy: Alaska, Hawaii.
29:16
Dave: but if
29:16
Jerremy: I.
29:17
Dave: just, proportionate first pass the post, if we didn't have
29:20
rank choice voting, if we didn't have, if we didn't have proportional
29:23
representation, it was just like straight up popular vote for president,
29:28
then no one would ever go to Iowa.
29:30
There wouldn't be any point in it.
29:31
Nobody would ever go to Nevada, like that.
29:33
Nobody would show up in Arizona.
29:34
Everybody would just be camped out, God forbid, in Florida,
29:38
New York, Texas, and California, because nothing else would matter,
29:42
Jerremy: Maybe,
29:43
Dave: it?
29:44
Jerremy: Because it's just a popularity contest, so it's it's a, it is just
29:47
a pure numbers game at that point.
29:48
Show up to vote because your one vote's gonna be the, it is just a running tally.
29:54
I think if it was just purely a, any one votes because we haven't
29:58
done it that way ever in America.
30:00
It's always been electoral college state.
30:03
Which to, to my knowledge, I don't think we ever had just like a
30:05
puron, like who has the most votes?
30:08
Dave: Yeah.
30:08
Jerremy: There's always there.
30:09
Dave: It is literally in the electoral college is in the Constitution.
30:11
We,
30:13
Jerremy: Yeah.
30:13
So again we probably prob
30:15
Dave: The idea was like, look, big states,
30:17
Jerremy: yeah.
30:17
Dave: to rule by, by, pop, the tyranny of the of the majority.
30:22
We want to have, we want to have representation from even the small states.
30:27
Jerremy: Yeah.
30:28
Yeah.
30:29
No, it's just interesting.
30:30
I just throwing it out there as a fun question, but
30:32
Dave: How about
30:32
Jerremy: I,
30:34
Dave: I would go with that.
30:34
How about that?
30:35
Go back to the county method.
30:37
Jerremy: yeah.
30:38
Counties.
30:38
Dave: States don't matter.
30:39
It's now county by county.
30:40
By county,
30:42
Jerremy: I could dig that.
30:43
That'd be really fun.
30:44
Dave: yeah.
30:45
Jerremy: It'd be really nice if we had the lines drawn for the county
30:47
so that we knew where they were.
30:50
Dave: Like
30:50
Jerremy: I feel like it would just make it helpful.
30:52
So on
30:53
Dave: how soon before that they would start redrawing the county
30:56
It's oh crap, I'm not in Miami-Dade anymore.
30:58
I'm in Fairfax.
30:59
I'm like, oh, no.
31:00
Jerremy: oh, no.
31:02
That's a unfortunate but very valid question.
31:06
Yeah, man.
31:08
This, no, this has been fun.
31:09
Again, I think what we have definitely really understood is it probably
31:15
wouldn't be that much of a challenge to just get more people to vote and
31:20
start hearing from more individuals.
31:22
And again, I think with a holiday.
31:26
People just start talking about voting, making it, it's cool.
31:29
You should just do it.
31:30
It's really awesome.
31:31
It's gonna be a party that by itself, we probably get, I would
31:35
say, 10 to 15% more participation.
31:37
'cause there's also people that just, they gotta work dude.
31:40
And they're grinding it out and they got the kids and they got the bills and
31:43
they got the mortgage and they got all the things like, I'm not gonna go vote.
31:46
Who cares?
31:47
It's stupid, it's dumb.
31:48
It doesn't matter anyway.
31:49
Like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
31:52
I'm just not in politics.
31:53
I really don't care.
31:54
But if you make it a lot easier for people to vote I, I think more people
31:58
would vote and by easy, again, I hear the comments when I say, oh, but if you have
32:05
voter id, it's not gonna make it easy.
32:07
It's we can solve that problem can easily be solved.
32:09
That's a
32:10
Four day solution.
32:11
Dave: Biometrics,
32:13
Jerremy: Yep.
32:13
Dave: Like I buy things on my computer, it's we can solve the ID
32:17
thing that, that seems like way easier than getting people to the to vote.
32:21
Jerremy: Yeah.
32:21
Dave: The big lever for me continues to be national voting, holiday.
32:26
Sure.
32:26
We can get everybody an id.
32:28
I think that's great.
32:29
We talked about mandatory voting.
32:30
That feels very anti-American to me.
32:32
But I also feel like, I dunno that sounds pretty good to me too.
32:36
I think it should be mandatory Or is it a it's voting
32:39
Jerremy: I think
32:40
Dave: That must be exercised.
32:42
Jerremy: exactly.
32:43
I think it's a right.
32:45
I do think it's a right.
32:46
I don't think it must be exercised though, like it's a right to own guns,
32:49
Dave: Right.
32:50
Jerremy: but we ain't forcing, we ain't forcing everyone to buy guns.
32:53
Yeah.
32:53
gun with every voter registration.
32:56
Now you get a bunch of owners, you go, oh man, you got so many voters showing up.
33:02
Dave: about paying people to vote?
33:04
Lot.
33:04
Vote for me, here's a hundred bucks.
33:06
But it's okay
33:07
Jerremy: every time someone votes, they get paid.
33:09
Dave: You're getting a, you're getting a, a gift card to Chili's.
33:11
If you show up to vote,
33:12
Jerremy: I love Chili's, bro.
33:14
Who doesn't love Chili's?
33:16
Dave: you get a blooming onion at the
33:18
Jerremy: Uhhuh.
33:19
I think that, that would actually, would incentivize
33:21
people a lot more than you think.
33:23
That's why you thought it, but yeah, it would, people would get pretty,
33:25
pretty pumped and amped by that.
33:27
Dave: Yeah.
33:27
Jerremy: Definitely don't hate that idea.
33:28
And a lot of people have asked me, like from the, my presidential
33:32
race and presidential standpoint, that is one of my goals or one of
33:35
my ideals or beliefs is I believe over the next seven to eight years.
33:42
I can and do have the ability to speak to and educate and conversate
33:46
and converse with the large group of individuals that do not currently vote.
33:52
'cause I right now in the US it's let's just call it 90 million.
33:55
90 million.
33:55
That's 180 million.
33:56
So that means you got another, that's half the country votes 50%.
34:02
So if I can go capture.
34:04
30% of the votes, the that 50% that don't currently vote just 'cause it's
34:09
cool, it's exciting, it's unique.
34:12
I'm a great guy.
34:13
I actually care about you.
34:14
I was you, I'm from you.
34:16
We're gonna change the educational system.
34:18
Dave: yeah.
34:19
Jerremy: It's unique.
34:20
It's a right, it's a privilege, it's an honor.
34:22
It's virtuous, it's incredible.
34:25
Let's all go vote.
34:26
Dave: Yeah.
34:27
Jerremy: then some of the other 50%, I'll have to capture
34:30
some of them mathematically.
34:31
So then if you have one person gets 30% of the votes mathematically,
34:39
that probably could be the winner
34:42
Dave: It's,
34:43
Jerremy: based on our kind, the way we cut the pie now?
34:45
Dave: it's gonna be young people over and over again.
34:47
And that showed up in our research too, which is if you don't start
34:51
voting young, you tend to not vote.
34:54
If you've never voted, then you know, once you get into your twenties, you're
34:58
not gonna vote thirties, forget it.
35:00
Forties, what's voting?
35:02
And yet,
35:03
Jerremy: Yeah,
35:04
Dave: Like young people are the, the current young crowd are, is
35:08
our largest population because the boomers are finally dying.
35:12
They can sway elections.
35:14
New York right now is the demographics are shifting wildly because a
35:19
Jerremy: time.
35:19
Dave: of young people are showing up to, to vote for mayor and they never have.
35:24
Getting young people excited about their issues, I, I'd say that'd be
35:29
another reason why people don't vote is it's the politicians are talking
35:32
about things that don't matter.
35:33
And I'm feeling that now.
35:35
Like we, heard a lot of blah, blah, blah.
35:37
We're gonna fix that.
35:38
We're gonna do this, we're gonna do that.
35:40
Promises made, promises kept, and it's been just a load of, malarkey.
35:45
Jerremy: I won.
35:47
I had a bet that you're gonna use the word malarkey in this episode.
35:49
Dave: You got the bingo card on that
35:51
Jerremy: Yep.
35:52
Dave: was malarkey, but that's the, that's the politicians
35:56
don't listen to me mentality.
35:59
Which I think is super valid.
36:02
Because the things that are important to most Americans, that they're
36:05
safe, that they have good education, that they have a good job, that they
36:09
have a brighter future, that they're healthy, that they, you know, all of
36:13
those things those table stakes those.
36:16
And when you do everything but talk to those things, then you run into problems.
36:22
I think,
36:22
Jerremy: Yeah.
36:22
Dave: Like you're seeing a lot in the current administration where they
36:25
talked about those things that got young people excited about those things.
36:29
More young people voted Republican.
36:30
And then at any other time this last session and yet the exact things that
36:36
young people are worried about ai yeah.
36:39
That that's, we've just poured gasoline on top of that.
36:42
So okay.
36:43
Uncertain future, interna, focused on international, non-domestic.
36:47
Yeah, that's, that keeps happening.
36:49
Tariffs.
36:49
You're driving up my prices still.
36:51
I can't afford a house.
36:52
Like that, that's, that, that housing affordability is at the top of most
36:57
Jerremy: Yeah.
36:58
Dave: thing.
36:59
If you are under the age of 40, it's house.
37:02
And
37:02
Jerremy: Yes.
37:03
Dave: when was the last time you heard a politician talk about housing?
37:06
Jerremy: Oh, correct.
37:07
Correct.
37:07
And that is, it is so unique and so interesting because we're also the
37:11
politicians right now are using that as a divisive oh he's doing all these
37:15
things wrong because he is raising all the prices because of whatever.
37:19
So he's making you, or she's making it more expensive.
37:23
And obviously everyone's kinda like blaming the Trump right now
37:26
'cause he is in office, right?
37:27
So it's hey, housing is expensive, it's your fault 'cause of
37:29
tariffs and blah, blah, blah.
37:30
Dave: Yeah.
37:31
Jerremy: Instead of, if I was in that exact role today,
37:34
Dave: Which you
37:35
Jerremy: I would say, yes, sir. I would say, listen, I feel you.
37:39
I understand you.
37:40
I have been there before.
37:42
Here is the way you can afford housing.
37:45
Dave: Yeah.
37:46
Jerremy: Here's the path.
37:47
Let's educate you on this.
37:49
Here's the series of books.
37:50
Here's some series of videos.
37:51
Here's the series of of ideas and beliefs.
37:54
It's okay to start in an apartment.
37:57
That's perfectly normal, perfectly reasonable.
37:59
Very common in the us And then while you're in this apartment,
38:03
you save aggressively, you begin to invest, you cut down expenses.
38:06
These are conversations that we just do not have anywhere right now.
38:09
We don't have it in the office.
38:11
We don't have, he's upgrading the ballroom and bro's not talking anything
38:15
about housing and the cost of housing.
38:18
Dave: there isn't, but there's nothing on housing.
38:20
The
38:20
Jerremy: No chat.
38:21
Dave: If there's no discussion on it, then.
38:24
Regardless of what the policy is or isn't, then you are effectively saying what the
38:32
pains that you are feeling don't matter.
38:35
because I'm gonna go work on, crypto, blah, blah, blah.
38:38
It's okay, that's not helping like a young family start a family and afford a house.
38:42
And look, I, my very first house that I afforded, I, man, me and my wife at
38:48
the time, we scrimped, we saved, we had to borrow money from friends and family
38:54
in order to figure out down payments.
38:56
And within five years, we wouldn't have qualified for our house because
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we couldn't have afforded it.
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The price of the house kept on going up and up and up and up and within 10
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years, it was completely out of sight because of, again, the government
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was creating these loose standards.
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And that's how we got the 2008 crash.
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Because I'd bought my house in 96 then by 2008, like I, it was, the
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price of the house was insanity.
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And that was driven up by, by government programs.
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So like I hear you on yeah, there's ways to do it.
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Yeah.
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But there is no government policy right now that is that.
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Helping first time home buyers really get in the door and start that process.
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I was lucky because I was able to start at my twenties.
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Most people are not buying their first houses until their forties.
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That's a lot, like that's 20 years of
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Jerremy: missed out equity appreciation.
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Dave: wealth that, you don't got, like you're just dumping it into rent.
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I'm like
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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Dave: that freaks me out, dude.
40:02
Jerremy: Yeah.
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We,
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Dave: a 30 year mortgage.
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The whole idea of a 30 year mortgage
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A house in your thirties, right?
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And pay it off in 30 years so that when you retire at 65, you don't
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have a house payment anymore.
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30 year mortgage wasn't just pulled out of somebody's ass.
40:20
That was the actual structural reason for a 30 year
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Dave: go to most countries, like if you go to Turkey right now, they don't
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even know what a mortgage is like.
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Like
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Jerremy: most countries don't.
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Yeah.
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Most countries.
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Dave: For your place.
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That's it, right?
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There is no mortgage.
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If there is, it's a small mortgage.
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So I don't know, man.
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Jerremy: Yeah.
40:38
But that's the same way.
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Mexico and those most countries don't have mortgages.
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Dave: Yeah.
40:45
Jerremy: to buy their houses in cash.
40:47
And that's a very interesting.
40:50
Way to approach it.
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It's not a capitalistic society necessarily, but
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Dave: But the price
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Jerremy: 'cause
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Dave: would be less, I'm guessing, or
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Jerremy: the price of the house is less, but the people
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also make less money though.
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So it's a very interesting blend.
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But again, I do think it's a conversation that for a president to have and to
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speak on, or congressmen and women to speak on and start educating our.
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Twenties and thirties, our millennial millennials and
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Gen Zs and Gen Xs or whatever.
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Here's how you can buy a house.
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Here's the way it looks.
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There's ways to get a mortgage,
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: Like subject to you can reclaim someone's current mortgage and
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be paying what they currently paid.
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You can do owner financing.
41:34
There's all different ways to structure deals.
41:36
There's so many different opportunities and or.
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Go buy something that's really inexpensive and live in it for a while.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: are plenty of states, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Florida, Tennessee,
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Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas.
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Starting, but like you can go buy a house for 200,000.
41:59
Dave: I hear you.
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But you also have to have the jobs.
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So
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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But you can afford a 200,000.
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Dave: co-located for a lot of jobs,
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Jerremy: but all the jobs are online now.
42:07
There's 90, 90% of jobs can be online.
42:09
Not all of them, but if,
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Dave: blown away by ai.
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So unless you're turning a wrench, forget it.
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Jerremy: Hey man.
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But that's the beauty of it though.
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The beauty of it is
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: we have someone that goes, this is an American value and American
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virtue, which is let's all figure it out.
42:24
Have to all figure it out.
42:25
We all have to go, all right, necessity is the mother of invention.
42:28
If AI's gonna take your job, go find a job that you can create,
42:33
Dave: Yeah.
42:33
Jerremy: you can build, that you can source, that you can scale,
42:36
that you can go and create income.
42:38
'cause it's available, right?
42:39
But that's just not a message that the young, the youth is hearing right
42:42
now because that is very realistic.
42:44
It's extremely doable anywhere in the country.
42:47
You still have the ability to figure it out.
42:49
It's a solution that can be solved for.
42:51
Dave: Coming back to your favorite topic, education,
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Jerremy: Yeah.
42:54
Come on dude.
42:56
Dave: when we're talking about all these things with voters like I said I know I
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had a lot of civics, growing up, even in like grade school, that was a piece of it.
43:05
Voting like there's bits and pieces of it, but, I don't know if that's anachronistic.
43:09
I don't know if civics is even taught anymore.
43:12
I have no idea.
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But What would you envision the education around voting or civic
43:20
engagement or just being a part of your community, of your country?
43:25
What would you like to see?
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What is it today and what would you like to change?
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Jerremy: Today it's very, again, just taking it from my
43:32
15-year-old, it's very historical.
43:34
It's very memorized, meaning here's who voted for the 19 19 10
43:41
presidential race and here, right?
43:44
So I was like, you're memorizing facts.
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It would be very useful.
43:48
And again, I don't think it needs to happen until high school.
43:51
In fact, I don't actually believe that a lot of the majority of what we're
43:56
discussing in school needs to truly happen until high school like calculus.
44:02
You can, I'm gonna go down that diatribe.
44:05
I obviously know that education reform is gonna be the absolute number one
44:10
thing that's gonna shift this country so fast, so quickly so exponentially.
44:14
But from the voting piece, that's just a standardized class.
44:17
That's something that is required in high schools, right?
44:20
We just start it.
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When you are 15, 16, you're gonna start just learning about how
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this country works, how the voting works, and you're gonna have.
44:28
Votes and you're gonna be casting ballots and you're gonna come up with reforms,
44:32
you're gonna have discussions and it's just gonna be open because at that point
44:35
you also have gone through school where you know how to con converse with people.
44:40
You know how to actually have conversations longer than three
44:43
seconds and saying hi, and then going right back to your phone.
44:46
You know how to actually talk.
44:48
You know how to be a human being because you've been a being right
44:52
for the last five or six years as you have progressed throughout school.
44:56
So that's gonna be a big change that needs to happen because again,
45:00
a lot of people, the other reason they don't care is 'cause they're
45:02
not informed, they're not educated.
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Dave: yeah.
45:04
Jerremy: question I get the most on stage or when I do, presentations
45:09
anywhere in the world, is why aren't we teaching this in school?
45:12
Same thing in Australia.
45:13
And here I am in Australia right now, it's 8:00 AM on Tuesday and I'm in the future.
45:20
Yeah, I'm in the future and.
45:24
It's the same down here.
45:26
And my answer is always because they don't know.
45:29
The teachers don't know.
45:30
The board of directors don't know the people that are creating all the policies.
45:32
They don't know how it works, so they're not gonna teach it 'cause they don't know.
45:35
And it's not a conspiracy theory, it's just simply the education's not there.
45:40
So I, yeah man, this is gonna be a big part of it.
45:44
This is gonna be a absolute 100% inclusion into our key.
45:50
Determining metrics of the education reform into schools and what
45:54
we're having big, deep, powerful, meaningful conversations about
45:58
Dave: So
45:58
Jerremy: do you think it's Oh, good.
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Dave: in high school, did you have a student government or model UN or any
46:05
of those sort of government, like I, had not only student government and Model un,
46:10
we also had a requirement to graduate, which was some sort of community.
46:15
Something like we, we had to
46:17
Jerremy: Yeah,
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Dave: I
46:18
Jerremy: that'd be so cool.
46:19
Dave: In the community doing something.
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Some sort of volunteer work.
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Jerremy: Yeah, we, I had to do that.
46:24
I had to do that for a scholarship.
46:27
The community service thing and the voting or the, like the elections,
46:33
whatever, was very flimsy.
46:35
It wasn't.
46:37
Really talked about anywhere.
46:38
Again, there wasn't a process for it.
46:40
Like you just walked around and people were like, you should vote for me.
46:43
And I'm like, for what?
46:44
What are you doing?
46:44
And there was, there was no interaction with it.
46:46
It wasn't this thing for people to be aware of and to educated by and to
46:53
have conversations about and around.
46:56
And I think that's something that could easily be shifted.
46:58
Model you in.
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Dave: Right
46:59
Jerremy: No.
46:59
I didn't do anything.
47:01
No.
47:02
Nah, nothing about Model U in anywhere.
47:05
Dave: in this whole voting thing.
47:07
didn't talk about the things that affect the voting campaign finance,
47:12
which I think is its own thing.
47:13
The role of ai.
47:14
We touched on it a little bit, like we're in this post reality, there's a
47:18
ton of money flooding in you can buy your way to your par pardon these days,
47:23
like it's gotten more pay to play.
47:25
I appreciated that we just focused on voting on this.
47:28
Granted, it was a little bit more difficult to program as our
47:30
listeners can gather from like the seven weeks that we spent on this.
47:35
Those things are like intrinsically linked, like campaign finance
47:39
and ai and the rest of it.
47:41
Do you think those are more important, less important as important?
47:46
Not, i'm seeing them as yeah, those are, those might be more
47:50
important than voting but maybe not.
47:52
I don't know.
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Jerremy: I would love to explore them.
47:55
I think these are definitely topics that we should dive deep into
47:59
Figure out more and more how it's structured and how it works now and how
48:02
much of an impact it really does have.
48:05
And yeah, the campaign finance part is just, I cannot wait to buy.
48:10
I cannot wait to bite into that apple.
48:13
so what, so if I, if our guest had to vote on the next topic what topic
48:20
or topics would they be voting on?
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Dave: Oh, we have heard your votes and we are going on guns and guns.
48:27
Jerremy: Oh, shoot.
48:28
We're talking gun control, dude.
48:30
Dave: I wanna frame it a little bit differently.
48:32
Jerremy: How are we framing it?
48:34
Dave: I, so I've been spending the day like researching this because, I've,
48:39
I don't know, I don't know much about guns and gun control and gun guns this,
48:43
gun's that, But what was interesting that came up in the research my, AI research
48:50
overlords, was that it was very much, centered on gun control and gun laws
48:57
and like the definition, even though I'd said, and all the prompts, and what I
49:03
really wanted was I wanted it nonpartisan.
49:05
I wanted it, balanced and I want this, that, and the other.
49:09
The very basic thing that it starts with is that more that gun, that guns are
49:16
a problem and that they need to have more laws and controls and regulations
49:23
in order to solve this problem.
49:25
I'm like, okay I hear you.
49:26
That's something I've heard most of my life anyways, but I also
49:29
have heard from gun advocates saying that's a bunch of hooey.
49:33
Like this is the most thing that we have in the United States and.
49:37
We're not seeing any big differences here.
49:39
Fair.
49:39
So I actually started reading the research that I got back from all
49:42
the ai, and this is what it said.
49:45
It, it did all of the gun control, gun this gun that gun this.
49:49
At the, in right in the middle of it, it said, oh, and by the way, of the
49:54
quote unquote gun violence in the United States, are people using guns for suicide?
50:00
I'm like,
50:00
Huh,
50:02
Jerremy: bro.
50:02
That's crazy.
50:04
Dave: and I'm like, okay, how much?
50:06
58%. I'm like, what?
50:09
So we have an enormous problem with guns in the United States,
50:15
and the biggest thing is suicide.
50:19
using
50:20
Jerremy: Wow.
50:21
Dave: So if you are a. If you are a man in the United States and you
50:26
You are doing it with a gun and it is an epidemic.
50:30
Jerremy: Wow.
50:30
It's terrible.
50:31
Dave: So that, that restarted my research into this because I, we
50:36
can't on one hand say we need all of this legislation, we need all of
50:41
these controls, we need all of these laws on one hand, and not one of them
50:47
addresses what people are using guns for.
50:51
Jerremy: Wow, dude.
50:52
Dave: and that's where we started things.
50:53
So that's our next our next topic is guns.
50:56
We're gonna, we're gonna have a kickoff episode here, coming up next,
51:00
but at the core of it, I want to just because it, people have very strong
51:05
feelings about guns and I wanna tell everybody who's listening, I hear you.
51:10
I. And I wanna think of this as not a pro-gun or anti-gun exploration.
51:17
I want to focus this on being pro-human.
51:20
That is going to be the difference that we are going to be taking on this on this
51:25
journey of talking to advocates, talking to gun owners, talking to people who have
51:30
been victims of gun violence, talking to legislators, talking to all the people
51:35
in this discussion, we are gonna focus in on what's the right thing for humans,
51:39
not what's, not bad guns or good guns, or good guys with good guns, or, all of
51:44
those tropes and all of those things.
51:46
And, more legislation, less legislation.
51:49
We're gonna focus on really what's going on in America.
51:52
Jerremy: I love that take because that's who I am.
51:54
That's who you are.
51:55
And that's why we are doing what we do, is because we understand that
51:58
politics right now, and for a very long time has been extremely divisional.
52:02
Although I do realize I'm not going to fix that entirely, I fully understand that.
52:07
What I do realize is that too many people are saying yes or no.
52:10
This is it.
52:11
Yes or no, right Guns, no guns.
52:14
Whoa.
52:15
There's gotta be, there's gotta be something somewhere else
52:21
that we can agree on that brings both parties together on it.
52:25
And you saying.
52:27
It's not guns or no guns, it's how do we keep humans alive longer?
52:32
That's the direction that we're gonna go in, and I absolutely love it.
52:36
We're gonna have really great conversations, and again, for all of our
52:39
listeners, this is what I truly believe.
52:43
Politics should be about.
52:44
Two people, Dave and myself, from two totally different
52:47
upbringings, two totally different.
52:49
Very different ages, just really different, but having conversations
52:55
and having disagreements, discussing why we disagree on things, coming
53:00
up with informations, and then taking both of what we disagree on.
53:04
And generally, we're gonna come up to some.
53:06
Very reasonable conclusions that bring both of us closer together as friends,
53:11
because I think that's what people can do when they have conversations.
53:14
They can disagree with people, and still have really good insight on, wow,
53:18
this is why this person feels this way.
53:19
This is awesome.
53:20
I'm so happy they think this way.
53:22
Cool.
53:22
And that part is actually really accurate.
53:24
I really like that.
53:25
I'm gonna take that into consideration further and I'm gonna live my life better
53:28
because you gave me more information.
53:30
That's what politics is, man.
53:31
It shouldn't be this division of he's right, she's wrong, she's right.
53:35
He, it shouldn't be that way.
53:38
We have too much division, man.
53:39
Again, I think that's also.
53:41
Something that education solves and having our listeners go through this journey with
53:46
us of not only listening but educating ourselves and themselves on these topics
53:51
is gonna be truly mind blowing, and I cannot wait for everyone to tap into
53:57
what Dave and I have on the dockets for you, for the pro-human discussion.