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The Kenny Report | 8 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The ugly divisions over the Middle East now turn up
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  Speaker 2: in our Federal Parliament. Anthony Albanesi's weakness on Israel sees
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  Speaker 2: him reject the chance for a bipartisan parliamentary motion mourning
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  Speaker 2: the victims of October seventh. I'll cross to Sharr Markson
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  Speaker 2: in Israel too for the latest developments. I'll also catch
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  Speaker 2: up with Kristen Tate in the US after Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 2: chooses another safe but strange place for a long interview
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  Speaker 2: Senator James Patterson the Cracking Panel and Tim Blair on
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  Speaker 2: albow mimicking Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. An extraordinary day in.
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  Speaker 2: Federal Parliament today, a tragic day really, when the ugly
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  Speaker 2: divisiveness over the Middle East that we've seen spilling onto
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  Speaker 2: our streets took hold in the House of Government. Let
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  Speaker 2: me be clear about what's gone on here, because the
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  Speaker 2: political spin will be flying thick and fast today. The
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister failed to reach.
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  Speaker 1: Across the divide.
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  Speaker 2: He rejected the chance for bipartisanship over the commemoration of
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  Speaker 2: the October the seventh terrorist victims in Israel. Not only
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  Speaker 2: is this a sad day for this country, it's also inexplicable.
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  Speaker 2: Given Anthony Albanesi says he gets this central point.
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  Speaker 3: It is a terrorists of mass that are not only
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  Speaker 3: enemies of Israel, they are an enemy of the Palestinian
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  Speaker 3: people as well.
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  Speaker 1: That is so true.
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  Speaker 2: Yet Albanesi has allowed Humas and its evil actions and
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  Speaker 2: propaganda to divide our parliament. This shouldn't be about politics,
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  Speaker 2: It's about simple respect for humanity. Yet Albanesi could not
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  Speaker 2: find a way to just recognize the victims, condemn the terrorists,
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  Speaker 2: and respect the country that had experienced this vile and
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  Speaker 2: barbaric attack a year ago. Yesterday now the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: rejected that sort of emotion, one that would have received
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  Speaker 2: bipartisan support from the coalition, and instead he put forward
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  Speaker 2: a lengthy motion dealing with a host of other issues
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  Speaker 2: to deal with the current conflict and putting.
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  Speaker 1: Pressure on Israel for a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 2: Just a terrible look for our parliament and the long
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  Speaker 2: standing bipartisanship, bipartisan support for Israel in this country now
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  Speaker 2: seems lost.
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  Speaker 1: Let me explain how this unfolded. It began with an
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  Speaker 1: idea from the Opposition leader.
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  Speaker 4: On Saturday, I wrote to the Prime Minister suggesting that
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  Speaker 4: we should arrive at a bipartisan position and bring a
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  Speaker 4: motion before the House to mark the anniversary of October seven.
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  Speaker 4: This motion was supposed to be about October seven, about
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  Speaker 4: the loss of human life in the circumstances that we've
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  Speaker 4: just graphically outlined, and that peoples the world now come
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  Speaker 4: to understand.
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  Speaker 1: Who could oppose that?
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't labor support that? Well, many would say electoral politics,
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  Speaker 2: not wanting to offend some Muslim voters in key electorates.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a factor for sure.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a bit more complicated than that, and in
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  Speaker 2: some ways even more worrying. I think it goes to
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  Speaker 2: the innate weakness of the Prime Minister and his activist background.
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  Speaker 2: He and Foreign Minister Penny Wong are members of the
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  Speaker 2: socialist left faction, their former university activists, and they just
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  Speaker 2: haven't gotten across these issues properly. They don't understand what
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  Speaker 2: drives Islamist extremist terrorism, and nor do they seem to
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  Speaker 2: grasp what.
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  Speaker 1: Israel is up against.
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  Speaker 2: So Albaneze he put up his own motion that was
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  Speaker 2: long winded, and tried to please everyone.
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  Speaker 3: We encourage all parties to engage constructively to de escalate
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  Speaker 3: the current tensions. International humanitarian law must be respected. We
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  Speaker 3: also reiterate our call for an immediate cease firing Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: Albanese's motion even talked about Palestinian casualties, of which of
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  Speaker 2: course there were none on October the seventh. It was
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  Speaker 2: this terrorist atrocity that instigated a response.
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  Speaker 1: From Israel days later.
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton was not going to have any of Albanese's equivalents.
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  Speaker 4: There are other sections here which go well beyond the
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  Speaker 4: intent of what should be a motion to mark the
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  Speaker 4: loss of life of twelve hundred people on the first anniversary.
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  Speaker 4: That's what this motion was to be about. But of
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  Speaker 4: course the Prime Minister is trying to speak out of
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  Speaker 4: both sides of his mouth and that is not something
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  Speaker 4: that we will support in relation to this debate.
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  Speaker 2: So instead of the Australian Parliament standing up in unison
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  Speaker 2: to commemorate the twelve hundred victims of terrorism in southern
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  Speaker 2: Israel and call for the release of one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: one hostages still held by Humma, we have a parliament divided.
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  Speaker 4: This government has sought to walk both sides of the
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  Speaker 4: street in relation to what has been a very divisive
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  Speaker 4: debate for our country. It's what in part has given
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  Speaker 4: rise to the anti Semitism that we've seen in university campuses,
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  Speaker 4: but across society more generally, it's what's making the survivors
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  Speaker 4: of the Holocaust for the first time in their lives
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  Speaker 4: in our country so that they feel unsafe here. In
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  Speaker 4: the current environment, there has been a position of bipartisanship
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  Speaker 4: on these issues, and your predecessors would have had the
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  Speaker 4: decency to respect the Jewish community in a way that
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  Speaker 4: you have not done today.
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  Speaker 1: And for that, Prime Minister, you should stand condemned.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a terrible turn of events, a real
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  Speaker 2: schism now over the Middle East. Albanese's weakness and ambivalence
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  Speaker 2: over Israel has now completely exposed. He's tried to appeal
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  Speaker 2: to the hard left and to the United Nations activists
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  Speaker 2: and to local Muslim communities instead of standing up for
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  Speaker 2: Israel and a rules based global order and against terrorism
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  Speaker 2: and its sponsor nations have a listen to these platitudes.
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  Speaker 3: We remain committed to a two state solution as a
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  Speaker 3: path to an enduring peace. Two states Israel and Palestine
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  Speaker 3: living peacefully side by side, with prosperity and security for
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  Speaker 3: their people, a position that has been bipartisan in this
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  Speaker 3: Parliament for a long period of time. There can be
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  Speaker 3: no possibility of a just future without that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we all want to love each other and
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  Speaker 2: live happily ever after, But a two state solution is
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  Speaker 2: further off now.
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  Speaker 1: Than it was just over a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: Surely Albo doesn't buy the spin that hum Us wants
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  Speaker 2: a two state solution, that Hezbollah wants a two state solution,
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  Speaker 2: that Iran wants a two state solution.
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  Speaker 1: It's fanciful.
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  Speaker 2: They're all committed viscerally to the elimination of Israel, so
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  Speaker 2: to pretend otherwise is just madness. And what would a
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  Speaker 2: cease fire achieve except allow terrorists to regroup.
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  Speaker 1: Who would sign up to it? Humas, Hesbelah Iran? What then?
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  Speaker 1: How to look at this map and ponder.
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  Speaker 2: This Look at the territories of Gaza run by Humas,
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  Speaker 2: and the West Bank encircling Jerusalem and run by the
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian authority. If a two state solution existed along those
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  Speaker 2: borders tomorrow, Israel would have Hummas and Hezbalah and other
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  Speaker 2: Jihadis terrorists filling those areas within a stone's throw of
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  Speaker 2: Israeli towns and suburbs armed and controlled by Iran, just
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  Speaker 2: like the Hesbella terrorists in southern Lebanon. I mean Israel
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  Speaker 2: would just be bringing its mortal enemies closer. Having an
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  Speaker 2: effective border with Iran in Jerusalem, it just cannot happen
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  Speaker 2: and will not happen.
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  Speaker 1: And pretending it's.
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  Speaker 2: The solution to this crisis at this time is the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate in naivete. The way to peace for Pastilian, for
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  Speaker 2: Palestinians is peace. Imagine if the past two decades of
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  Speaker 2: autonomy and Gaza, with countless billions in aid, had been
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  Speaker 2: spent turning it into a prosperous, peaceful territory, then a
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  Speaker 2: two state solution might be closer. But instead they backed
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  Speaker 2: in Hama, so massed weapons, built tunnels and installations in
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  Speaker 2: residential areas, and attacked Israel. The political grandstanding of the
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  Speaker 2: left can't change any of that reality. Anthony, Albanesi and
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  Speaker 2: Labor are getting a hard lesson in the difficulties of
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  Speaker 2: running national government and foreign affairs. University activism just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: cut it. Real world experience and real world decisions are needed,
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  Speaker 2: but we see none of that from Labor. At the
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  Speaker 2: end of question time, Peter Dutton tried again to put
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  Speaker 2: up a motion commemorating the victims of.
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  Speaker 1: October the seventh, and Labor voted it down.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, in the Senate, this hatred and madness was put
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  Speaker 2: on full display by the Greens criticizing Israel and calling
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  Speaker 2: for sanctions against it. Just a gross insult to all
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  Speaker 2: those Israeli victims massacred on October the seventh. What a
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  Speaker 2: dismal day for our National Parliament, What a dismal day
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  Speaker 2: for our country. No matter how pathetic Labor and the
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  Speaker 2: Greens are on Israel, they'll always have the.
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  Speaker 1: ABC on side.
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  Speaker 2: No matter how hateful and illogical the anti Israel lobby becomes,
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  Speaker 2: and no matter how many terrorist groups and countries turn
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  Speaker 2: their fire on Israel, Australia's taxpayer funded broadcaster paints Israel
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  Speaker 2: as the aggressor.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look at this from last night.
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  Speaker 5: It was earlier this year at the start of the
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  Speaker 5: year when Benjamin Ettina, who declared over and over again
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  Speaker 5: that victory was in reach for Israeli troops in Gaza,
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  Speaker 5: and ten months on, I think we can say that
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  Speaker 5: that statement just wasn't true. Not only that, but this
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  Speaker 5: fighting has now expanded to so many more fronts Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Yemen,
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  Speaker 5: and now the possibility of a major escalation with Iran.
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  Speaker 5: It seems that there is no end in sight for
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  Speaker 5: this fighting.
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  Speaker 2: The correspondent is Alison Horn, but as we know from
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  Speaker 2: ABC internal emails, she reports the ABC position. The ABC
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  Speaker 2: actually tells reporters what to say about the Middle East conflict,
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  Speaker 2: telling them, for instance, to describe Israel's attempts to eradicate
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  Speaker 2: Hesblah from Lebanon as a land invasion. Never mind, there's
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  Speaker 2: a UN resolution that says Hesbla should not be there.
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  Speaker 2: And what the ABC fails to mention is what Israel
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  Speaker 2: is responding to. For a year, Hesblah has been firing
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  Speaker 2: rockets into Israel from Lebanon, nine thousand rockets. How can
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  Speaker 2: a fat like that be ignored. Israel has come under
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  Speaker 2: attack from all the countries that Horn just listed, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen,
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  Speaker 2: and Iran, and all these countries or terrorists within them
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  Speaker 2: are proxies of Iran. Yet the ABC portrays Israel as
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  Speaker 2: the aggressor, not Iran just extraordinary and a clear case
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  Speaker 2: of how ideological bias destroys accuracy in reporting. And so
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  Speaker 2: we go to media watch and have a look at
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  Speaker 2: this stark assessment.
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  Speaker 6: To call the coverage one eyed is the understatement of
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  Speaker 6: the year. It is quite frankly astonishing and a journalistic disgrace.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's what Paul Barry should be and could be
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  Speaker 2: saying about the ABC coverage.
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  Speaker 1: But don't get too excited. He wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: No, he was attacking yet again News Corp, the media
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  Speaker 2: company he spends your money obsessing over.
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  Speaker 6: In Australian Ran thirteen full pages with a banner Israel
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  Speaker 6: at war, which the paper claim is being fought in
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  Speaker 6: defense of world order.
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  Speaker 1: Always the weasel words from this bloke.
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  Speaker 2: The paper claims that the wars being fought in defense
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  Speaker 2: of world order?
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  Speaker 1: Could a sentient being doubt that analysis.
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  Speaker 2: Israel firstly is fighting for its own survival, of course,
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  Speaker 2: but how can it possibly not be fighting to preserve
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  Speaker 2: world order. It's a sovereign nation that has suffered the
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  Speaker 2: most horrendous terrorist atrocity from Islamist extremist terrorists entering from Ghana,
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  Speaker 2: from Gaza. It's under constant rocket barrags from Hamas in
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  Speaker 2: Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon, weaponry supplied by Iran through
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  Speaker 2: Syria and Iraq. They're under fire also from Yemen and Iraq,
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  Speaker 2: and incredibly Israel has also been under direct fire from Iran.
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  Speaker 2: How can any of this be justified? And how can
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  Speaker 2: any sane person argue that by defending itself from missile
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  Speaker 2: and terrorists attacks, by how can.
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  Speaker 1: That be anything but defending world order?
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  Speaker 2: The ABC simply does not seem to grasp reality and
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to anti Semitism and hatred here in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: while Barry and the ABC seem to be in denial.
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  Speaker 6: Meanwhile, as all out war between Israel and around edge closer,
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  Speaker 6: and there was talk of bombing Iranian oil facilities back home,
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  Speaker 6: the biggest fuss was about something much more trivial, with
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  Speaker 6: a handful of protesters flying Hezbola flags and carrying pictures
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  Speaker 6: of nazraela sparking outrage front page headlines in the News
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  Speaker 6: Corp tabloids on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: Trivial Australians openly supporting a terrorist organization is trivial Australian
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  Speaker 2: supporting a bloodthirsty terror organization that is illegal and aims
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  Speaker 2: to kill Jews and annihilate Israel. That's trivial according to
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  Speaker 2: Barr and the ABC. This bloke is finishing up at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year apparently, But every every day
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  Speaker 2: he remains on the payroll at the ABC is another
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  Speaker 2: day that the ABC's new chairman, Kim Williams is shown
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  Speaker 2: to be impotent and that, as ever, no one is
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  Speaker 2: in charge at the ABC.
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  Speaker 1: On the ABC, let's look at.
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  Speaker 2: How they're desperate to prop up the failing energy policies
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  Speaker 2: of labor, the Greens and the tills. The ABC could
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  Speaker 2: analyze how the renewables experiment is failing, how we're running
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  Speaker 2: short of power and prices keep going up instead of down.
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  Speaker 2: Or they could examine how this renewables plus storage model
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  Speaker 2: might be impossible, which is why no other country is
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  Speaker 2: trying it. Or they could report on how the so
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  Speaker 2: called green hydrogen dream is falling apart already with two
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  Speaker 2: major industry players backing out because they don't think it'll work.
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  Speaker 1: But none of that for the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, they've spent your money on a four corners report
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  Speaker 2: trying to say nuclear energy work. Yeah, they've tried to
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  Speaker 2: debunk a coalition policy. Never mind that the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the world is tripling its nuclear capacity and almost all
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  Speaker 2: developed economies make nuclear work and they make it pay.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC runs the Labor Greens and Till line that
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  Speaker 2: nuclear is beyond us. And who do they talk to, Well,
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  Speaker 2: one of their favorite politicians, bloke who hates the Federal
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  Speaker 2: Coalition as much as they.
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  Speaker 7: Do, Betsy is Tona.
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  Speaker 2: How would you describe a policy to build seven nuclear
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  Speaker 2: plants in Australia.
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  Speaker 8: Recklessly stupid and dangerously stupid?
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  Speaker 1: Recklessly stupid.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC forgot to say that this is the same
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  Speaker 2: energy genius that gave us snowy hydro two point zero,
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  Speaker 2: currently looking at being a decade over time and five
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent over budget, twenty billion dollars it will cost
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  Speaker 2: for not a single killer, What of additional generation?
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  Speaker 1: Just some storage.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC also used as a so called expert, the
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  Speaker 2: man behind the tials, the nation's biggest unelected political player
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  Speaker 2: in the renewables push.
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  Speaker 9: Meanwhile, demand is going up because nuclear cannot supply the
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  Speaker 9: energy that we need in the time frame we need it.
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  Speaker 10: Right, that's an absolutely prettical point, that time frame.
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  Speaker 2: This bloke, Simon Holmes a Court is a renewable energy investor.
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  Speaker 2: He inherited hundreds of millions of dollars from his billionaire father,
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  Speaker 2: and he spends plenty of his money getting Tials elected
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  Speaker 2: to Parliament, and he's given star billing to run down
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  Speaker 2: nuclear On the ABC strange that nuclear energy is being
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  Speaker 2: expanded currently in China, Japan, the US, the UK, South Korea, Finland, France.
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  Speaker 2: The list goes on, why is this happening if nuclear
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  Speaker 2: energy is such a dud. Once again, this is the
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  Speaker 2: ABC driven by ideology not facts. Think of the CSIRO
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  Speaker 2: Gen Cost Report that says nuclear is too expensive. Critics
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  Speaker 2: say it fails to factor in all the additional costs
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  Speaker 2: for renewables like transmission lines and the land costs, whereas nuclear,
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  Speaker 2: of course is compact and uses existing transmission lines. Watch
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  Speaker 2: how vigorously and rigorously the ABC tests the CSIRO.
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  Speaker 9: The Gen Cost Report is really accurate. We pick the
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  Speaker 9: best figures, the most relevant figures to Australia, whether that's
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  Speaker 9: for renewables, whether it's for nuclear, whether it's for gas,
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  Speaker 9: whether it's for coal, and we present the data in
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  Speaker 9: an objective considered way.
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  Speaker 1: So you stand by this report.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely one hundred percent. Stand by the report and a
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  Speaker 9: team behind the report.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: The scrutiny and the counter ability from the ABC pursuing
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  Speaker 2: the facts on behalf of the public just insipid. Still
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  Speaker 2: one bloke like Four Corners.
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  Speaker 11: It's a bit unused for a minister to recommend watching
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  Speaker 11: a show about an opposition policy, but I do show
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  Speaker 11: the house if you didn't see Four Corners last night,
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  Speaker 11: it's a cracker, Missus Speaker. We had forty five minutes
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  Speaker 11: of expert for expert talk about nuclear policy. I recommend
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  Speaker 11: that show, and I recommend the analysis of the opposition's
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  Speaker 11: policy because they can't release to details because the details
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  Speaker 11: will show the policy.
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  Speaker 1: Is a dog. What a deal. He's just given their
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  Speaker 1: game away. Remember it's not your.
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  Speaker 2: ABC or our ABC, it's their ABC. Let's go down
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  Speaker 2: to Canberra now. I want to catch up with the
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  Speaker 2: Shadow Home Affairs Minister, Senator James Patterson.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Sir James, good to talk to
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  Speaker 1: you again.
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  Speaker 2: I sat at the top of the program that this
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  Speaker 2: was a really dismal day, not just for the Parliament
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  Speaker 2: but for the country when we couldn't see bipartisans support
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  Speaker 2: in commemorating the victims of the October, the seventh atrocity
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  Speaker 2: in Israel. Give me your perspective on what's unfolded there today, Chris.
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  Speaker 12: I think your disappointment is reasonable and I think a
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  Speaker 12: lot of other Australians will share it, first and foremost
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  Speaker 12: the Jewish community. The Parliament did come together twelve months
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  Speaker 12: ago to pass a bipartisan motion, but this time when
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  Speaker 12: Peter Dutton took the initiative to write to the Prime
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  Speaker 12: Minister to offer a bipartisan's motion and engaged in constructive
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  Speaker 12: negotiations over it, the Prime Minister refused to agree. And
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  Speaker 12: really it's up the Prime Minister to explain why he
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  Speaker 12: wanted to make this motion about everything other than the
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  Speaker 12: seventh of October. We wanted to keep it about the
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  Speaker 12: seventh October and the victims of seventh October. He wanted
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  Speaker 12: to make it about a myriad of other things. And
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  Speaker 12: I think that reflects the political position he's in, the
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  Speaker 12: pressures he's under in some of his seats where whether
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  Speaker 12: it's the Greens challenging them or pro Gaza independence in
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  Speaker 12: Southwest Sydney, and he's much more concerned about that than
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  Speaker 12: in years in standing up twenty seventy or commemorating the
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  Speaker 12: worst loss of Jewish life on a single day since
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  Speaker 12: the Holocaust.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he put up his own motion, a longer motion,
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  Speaker 2: as you say, he could have easily put up another
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  Speaker 2: motion later in the weeks dealing with other issues. But
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  Speaker 2: what is it specifically about the motion he put up
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  Speaker 2: that the Coalition found objectionable.
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  Speaker 12: Well, there was a number of objectionable terms in there
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  Speaker 12: that are kind of hackneyed phrases that are used in
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  Speaker 12: relation to, in least conflicts from time to time, that
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: are not accurate descriptions of what happened. For example, he
• 20:29
  Speaker 12: talked about the cycle of violence. Well, the cycle of
• 20:31
  Speaker 12: violence is the polite way of saying that this didn't
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: begin on the seventh of October, as some pro Palestinian
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: advocates do to try to minimize what Hamas did on
• 20:41
  Speaker 12: the seventh of October. Let's remember what was happening on
• 20:44
  Speaker 12: the sixth of October, Chris. There was peace across Gaza
• 20:47
  Speaker 12: and the West Bank and Israel. No one was firing
• 20:50
  Speaker 12: rockets to anybody else, no one had kid depped anybody else.
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: And it was Hamas who broke that peace. It was
• 20:55
  Speaker 12: Hamas who broke that ceasefire, who launched this terrible atrocity
• 20:58
  Speaker 12: against the Jewish people, which, of course it's necessitated an
• 21:02
  Speaker 12: IDF operation to free the hostages and dismantle Hamas. So
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: when you talk about a cycle of violence, it's a
• 21:07
  Speaker 12: way of minimizing what Hamas did. There were other things
• 21:09
  Speaker 12: in there, frankly coded lecture to the opposition for standing
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: up for the Jewish community, for showing moral clarity on
• 21:16
  Speaker 12: these issues, and we didn't want to stand for that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 12: The motion that doesn't put forward, I think was very
• 21:21
  Speaker 12: reasonable and should have be agreed to.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Now in your own chamber. In the Senate, there was
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a kerfuffle. The Greens, some of them dressed in Arab garb,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: put up a call for sanctions against Israel.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Tell us about what went on there.
• 21:37
  Speaker 12: Yes, I think it was five of the ten or
• 21:38
  Speaker 12: so Greens of the Senator who were wearing Yasa Arafat's
• 21:42
  Speaker 12: scarf of choice as a wink wink, nudge nudge about
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: where their loyalties light on these issues. And if you're
• 21:48
  Speaker 12: any doubt about that. We had an extremely inflammatory question
• 21:52
  Speaker 12: from the Green senator Marine Faruki, directed at Peniwong, followed
• 21:56
  Speaker 12: up by a stunt with signs being held up about
• 21:59
  Speaker 12: sanctioning Israel. Well, this is obviously against all the standing
• 22:02
  Speaker 12: orders of the Senate, but that's not the most important thing.
• 22:04
  Speaker 12: It's a grotesque thing to do on the eighth of October.
• 22:08
  Speaker 12: I'm not sure how many Greens attended Seventh of October
• 22:10
  Speaker 12: Memorials last night, but I want to go out on
• 22:12
  Speaker 12: a limon say, it's pretty close to zero, if not zero.
• 22:15
  Speaker 12: And the media release that Adam Bant released yesterday was contemptible,
• 22:20
  Speaker 12: in which he simply described the listed terrorist organization Hamas
• 22:24
  Speaker 12: as Hamas, but whenever he referred to the government of Israel,
• 22:27
  Speaker 12: he referred to it as the extremest net.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And yach good Lord tells you everything you need to know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: just quickly.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I want to show you what visiting US academic had
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to say it the Lakember Mosque last night.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I want to start in a late note. I'm feeling
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: in a good mood today.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Today is not fully a day of mourning in many respects,
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: today is also a day that marks considerable celebration, considerable progress.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Surely he needs to be deported immediately, more than he
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: needs to be deported Chris.
• 22:59
  Speaker 12: He never should have been allowed to come into our
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: country in the first place. This is a person who
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: posted on Instagram a week ago a post celebrating and
• 23:08
  Speaker 12: defending Hassan as rather the listed terrorist organization leader of Hezbollah.
• 23:13
  Speaker 12: I mean that should have been picked up. That is
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: a contravention of the Character Grounds of Migration Act. He
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: never should have been allowed to come. But he did
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: prove the point that many of us are making in
• 23:20
  Speaker 12: the lead up to the rallies on Monday, which is
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: the only reason if you would organize a pro Palestinian
• 23:26
  Speaker 12: protest on Monday is if you thought it was worthy
• 23:29
  Speaker 12: of celebration. The death of Jews was worthy of celebration.
• 23:32
  Speaker 12: And low on the hold he said, the quiet part
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: out loud.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Indeed, shocking stuff, just shocking stuff.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, James, I appreciate it,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Senator James Patterson.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: There the Shadow Home Affairs Minister.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I want to go to Israel now and catch up
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: with my great friend and Sky News host Shari Markson,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: who's been doing some fantastic reporting and hosting a show
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: from the ground in Jerusalem. It's morning again in Israel.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Shari. I've got to ask
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: for you to recount for our viewers who might not
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: have seen this early today, yesterday, your time, overnight, our time.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: You came face to face with the threats and uncertainty
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that ISRAELI has lived with now every day.
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: Exactly right, This is what Israel has to deal with
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: on a daily basis. You know, Chris, in the media,
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: particularly the ABC, You've been speaking about Paul Barry, Well,
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: the ABC likes to paint Israel as the aggressor. But
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: the reality is that Israel is under attack from seven sides.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: And yesterday, on a sacred day, on the anniversary of
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: October seventh, there was a barrage of rocket attacks against
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: Israel in the north, in the south, and even in
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: central Israel. On Tel Aviv, we were at the memorial ceremony.
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: This was a people's event. There were no politicians speaking.
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: It was organized by the families whose loved ones had
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: been killed a year ago. It was a peaceful event.
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: As it was getting started, I was interviewing, as you
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: just shut Saul, there a father who lost four members
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: of his family on October seven. We were doing that
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: interview and then the air raids sounded. We had to
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: get to the ground and it turned out that it
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: was a surface missile from Yemen that was thankfully intercepted
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: by the Iron Dome. But Chris, if it wasn't for
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: Israel's defense system, the death toll would be high because
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: it is constantly under attack from terrorists. And it's something
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: that the international community, the left wing politicians and of
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: course the ABC just refused to recognize.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just terrible and needs to be dealt with.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Now, you've been sharing with us some fascinating insights, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: know you all have more at eight o'clock. And look,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: there are so many people who have been affected by
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: October the seventh. There are so many tragic victims. But
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I have tended to focus across the last year a
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: lot in my mind so often on the be Bess family.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Cheri b Bess and there two little boys. The idea
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: that terrorists would take a mother and two young boys,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: one of them just baby hostage.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I find it just inconceivable.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Now we don't know whether they're alive or dead a
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: year on now, but I believe one of your interviews
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: tonight you've caught up with a family member.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Tell us about that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Chris, like you, this family has just captured my heart.
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: Over the past year. I agree. It is utterly horrifying
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: that a terrorist organization that anyone could think it's okay
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: to take a nine month old baby hostage. Baby Kafir
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: was the world's youngest hostage nine months old. His brother
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: just fall when they were taken into captivity. If baby
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: Kafir is alive, he would have had his first birthday
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: in the tunnels underneath Gaza. It's disgusting. Where is the
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: international outrage over this? Where's the Red Cross about this?
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: Where's the United Nations about this? They don't seem to care.
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: Last night at that event, I spoke with a family
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: member and uncle of the family. He was so angry
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: at the lack of attention from the likes of the
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: international community, the world on baby Kafir, on his brother Ariel.
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: And so I've got that interview coming up at eight o'clock.
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: If you have a grab from them, Chris, I'm happy
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: to show it right now on your show.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: We have a snippet. Now, let's have a look.
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: Do you believe they're still alive?
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: I just can hope so, because well, we all saw
• 27:27
  Speaker 13: what happened in the tunnels. That are not dating, that
• 27:31
  Speaker 13: are not vaccinated have no condition to live there. I hopefully,
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: I'm hopefully praying that that will be all right.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Just unimaginable sharing now, I know you have a lot
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: more for us.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: At eight o'clock, I wonder if you could just briefly
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: give me a sense of this question. With Israel fighting
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: on so many fronts and talk of possibly a full
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: on war with Iran.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: How tested aris defense forces?
• 27:57
  Speaker 14: Do?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: They have a lot of reservists that's already called up.
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: Look, there is a lot of fatigue in the defense forces. Certainly,
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: a lot of families speak about how their sons have
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: been in the army for a year now. There's quite
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: a bit of controversy around the fact that Orthodox Jews
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: here don't have to go into the army. That's been
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: a big political soar point.
• 28:22
  Speaker 15: But they are.
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: They give a voluntary option now for older people, men
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: in their bodies to come and join, because they do
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: need people to defend Israel, and not just Israel, but
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: Western civilization and on the whole. Israelis are happy to serve.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: They're happy to fight everyone here and in fact, many
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: Australian Jews have even come over here to fight for Israel.
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: And I think, Chris. I've got to say, these are
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: among the most courageous people, these young men and women,
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: for example, going into Lebanon, having to come face to
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: face with Hezbolla terrorists. They're doing this, they're fighting this
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: to ensure this Bible of the Jewish state. To me,
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: that there's nothing more brave or extraordinary.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Well said Harry, Well said, Sharry, you are spot on.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Stay safer. I look forward to
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: seeing more from you at eight o'clock. Charry, We'll be
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: back live from Jerusalem at eight o'clock.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I need to get to a break.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that, we'll catch up with
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Susio o' brien and Stephen Senitiempo. We'll talk about whether
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the police should have greater powers.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: To block ongoing protests.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: And surprise, surprise, a pleasant surprise, the un of all
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: places is defending women's rights in sport. Let's catch up
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: with Susio O'Brien from The Herald Son in Melbourne and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Radio two Double See Breakfast host Stephen Senate Tempo in
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the nation's capital.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you both again.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: We're so used to all these protests at the moment,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: of course, it's the Palestinian protests happening every week in
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Melbourne and Sydney pretty much. Chris Min's the labor Premier
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of New South Wales. SUSI seems to have had enough.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: He reckons it's costing too much. As you've got a
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: fair point.
• 30:01
  Speaker 16: Well, he was saying that the cost since January if
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: these process is something like five million dollars worth of
• 30:06
  Speaker 16: police time and presence.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: And you've got to say that if he did manage.
• 30:10
  Speaker 16: To put an end or restrict some of these protests,
• 30:14
  Speaker 16: it would be a very popular move. The ninety four
• 30:17
  Speaker 16: percent of people on one online poll said yes, let's
• 30:20
  Speaker 16: do it. And of course some people would say, and
• 30:23
  Speaker 16: I would agree with it, that this kind of policing
• 30:26
  Speaker 16: cost is just the cost of doing business. In a democracy.
• 30:30
  Speaker 16: You have to allow people to protest. But when you've
• 30:32
  Speaker 16: got the same groups doing it week after week after week,
• 30:36
  Speaker 16: maybe that's time to put a put some restrictions around him.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about where they go and what sort of
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: protest it is. They could just stand outside Parliament with
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: placards and causes nobody any trouble rather than marching down
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the streets.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Here's a bit of what Chris Min's had to say.
• 30:50
  Speaker 14: I want the police in a position to be able to,
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: if they feel they don't have the resources, deny an
• 30:56
  Speaker 14: application for a march through Sydney because they've got other
• 31:00
  Speaker 14: jobs to do in one of the busiest and complex
• 31:03
  Speaker 14: cities in the world.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, Steven, I think is such a sensible point.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, not stopping protests, but when you have to
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: shut down the city for them, we all pay for it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And this police we'd like to have patrolling.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Our suburbs or other hotspots are busy doing this nonsense.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And I seen to recall recently when we have had
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: sort of right wing popular figures who have been speaking
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a functions around the country, they've had to pay for
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the police to provide security at their immense.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's right.
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: There's a couple of two issues here. Firstly, can we
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: stop calling those protests pro Palestine.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: They're not.
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: They're pro Hamace, pro Hesbala, So that in and itself
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: is a problem. But I think Chris Mens has hit
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: the nail on the head here. We have a massive
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: shortage of police right across the country. We don't have
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: the police resources to be handling these things on a
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: week in, week out basis, and the destruction, the distraction
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: from other policing work is. I mean a classic example
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: is here in Camber we get these extinction rebellion idiot
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: that glue themselves to the street or whatever. Every police
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: offer that's got to go and deal with some muppet
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: is not investigating crime, which is what we want our
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: police out there doing or preventing crime. They're looking after
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: a bunch of morons who are largely ignorant and protesting
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: something that don't actually understand in the first place, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: taking away those valuable resources. And if it's costing five
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: million dollars over a few months, I mean that's money
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: we just can't afford to spend.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of a bunch of morons, I want to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: go to the United Nations and proof that even a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: broken clock is right once a day or twice a
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: day if it's a twelve hour clock, of course. Have
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: a look at this from the United Nations Special Rapporteur
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: riem Alison. She says, to avoid the loss of fair opportunity,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: males must not compete in the female categories of sport. Now, Susie,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: this is a straightforward, sensible point to be made by
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the UN, and it goes to prove that speaking the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: truth is a radical move sometimes.
• 33:03
  Speaker 16: Well, this is fascinating. She took twenty four pages to
• 33:05
  Speaker 16: say that men and women should not compete against.
• 33:08
  Speaker 15: Each other in sport.
• 33:09
  Speaker 16: I think most of us agree with that anyway. So
• 33:12
  Speaker 16: what she's basically saying is there should be a female category,
• 33:15
  Speaker 16: and then there should be an open category replacing the
• 33:17
  Speaker 16: male category, and so that people who are transitioning, who
• 33:21
  Speaker 16: are born male, transitioning to female but are still biologically male,
• 33:26
  Speaker 16: can compete in the male or the open category. Seems
• 33:29
  Speaker 16: to me to be a fairly common sense way forward.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, is what I've always said on this issue, Stephen.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: We just want fairness for women and girls, and of
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: course transgender people should be able to play sport. But
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: there's the open category, or there's mixed mixed categories that
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: they can join in.
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: Isn't it amazing We've actually got to say this out loud, Chris,
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: we have to say out loud that men should not
• 33:51
  Speaker 10: compete against women in women's sport. I mean, what more
• 33:55
  Speaker 10: do you need to say? Oh, in feenigum, I mean,
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: as you say, I'm surprised the UN is actually come
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: out with some common sense. It's been a long time
• 34:01
  Speaker 10: since they've done that, or not in my lifetime anyway.
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: But yeah, look at least somebody's saying the quite a
• 34:06
  Speaker 10: bit out loud.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Indeed, common sense from the un go figure, let's go
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: back to our own Bailey Wick and show you the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: sort of stupidity we do expect from bureaucracies.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: These are some grants.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I want to show you this story about these grants
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: that have been handed out Australian research grants. This is
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a taxpayers money being thrown around. One of them is
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a three year university research project that seeks to disprove
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the protectionist myth that Australia is an island continent girt
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: by sea, and they've been given five hundred thousand dollars
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: in taxpays. I would have thought, what are you going
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to do for five hundred grand Walk your way around
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the beaches of Australia.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It is good by sea. There's no way to disprove that, Susie.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: Oh, this is just so funny.
• 34:48
  Speaker 16: So some of the other grants are things like the
• 34:51
  Speaker 16: nexus between Elizabethan Theater and climate change. Now, as most
• 34:56
  Speaker 16: of your people will know that I did. I am
• 34:58
  Speaker 16: the recipient of a taxpayer funded PhD, and I do
• 35:02
  Speaker 16: think that politicians shouldn't have the final say in terms
• 35:06
  Speaker 16: of research funding, which should be one step removed from
• 35:10
  Speaker 16: the kind of day to day obsessions of our nation. Sure,
• 35:14
  Speaker 16: there is a limit. Some of these things are completely crazy.
• 35:16
  Speaker 16: And I did one story a couple of years ago
• 35:19
  Speaker 16: about a woman who got a grant to write a
• 35:22
  Speaker 16: paper about the writing on public toilet doors.
• 35:26
  Speaker 15: She called her toilet paper.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: A bit May I inquire, Susie, if I could be
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: so presumptive, what was your PhD about?
• 35:39
  Speaker 16: We've talked about this before.
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: Mine was about sexual.
• 35:42
  Speaker 16: Harassment in universities, but it did have a post structuralist,
• 35:46
  Speaker 16: feminist theoretical lend. I look back now and think, wow,
• 35:50
  Speaker 16: what was I thinking that?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Well, it's better than Jim Charmer's PhD thesis on
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the genius the political genius.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Of Paul Keating.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Now I want to go to you on this one, Stephen,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: because you're the radio man and this is big news
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: in the land of radio. John Laws, who many people
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: around the country might have thought was already retired. No,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: he's been behind the mic every day out of Sydney
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: radio station.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Just loves broadcasting.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: He's announced today that he's retiring at the age of
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: eighty nine.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: He's a little bit of John Lews earlier today.
• 36:23
  Speaker 17: It's time for a rest, is what I think. But
• 36:27
  Speaker 17: I still feel young, I still feel healthy, and when
• 36:31
  Speaker 17: I call it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: A day, it'll be a day.
• 36:33
  Speaker 17: I'm not going to go away and then come back
• 36:36
  Speaker 17: again and say, oh, it was all a mistake. It
• 36:38
  Speaker 17: may well be a mistake, but there'll be no return.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: The Golden Tonsil's gone. The greatest ever.
• 36:47
  Speaker 10: Chris as somebody that grew up listening. You know, I
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: wasn't one of those people that listened to music radio.
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: I listened to talkback as a child, and you know
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: I got to listen to some of the greats like
• 36:56
  Speaker 10: Gary o' callahan and Alan Jones and John Wawes was
• 36:59
  Speaker 10: the best of them, head and shoulders above everybody else.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Look.
• 37:02
  Speaker 10: I've had the opportunity to interview him on my program
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: a few times and the quick wit, the timber in
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: his voice, just everything about him. And he was one
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: of those blokes that understood what we do. We are
• 37:13
  Speaker 10: there to entertain and inform at the same time, and
• 37:16
  Speaker 10: we're ultimately salespeople for our advertisers, and nobody did.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: It better than him, and I don't think anybody ever will. Yeah, well,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: said Stephen, Thanks so much for joining us.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Stephen Sanatimpo and Susio O'Brien will catch you next week
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: and read susi stuff in the Herald Son and you
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: can listen to Stephen on two Double CE in Canberra.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break. After the break,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I'm going to cross to the US where Kristen Tate
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: looks at Kamala Harris's Crimsworthy Call Me Daddy interview. Can't
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: wait to catch up with Tim Blair later. He's caught
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: albow mimicking Joe Biden. I'll show you that later in
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the program, but let's stick with us for now.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: And Kamala Harris.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Isn't exactly subjecting herself to a lot of scrutiny as
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the Democrat presidential candidate. She's done another long interview, but
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: it was a weird and weak choice. With the election
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: now just four weeks away, the Vice President sat down
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: for a podcast named Call Her Daddy, and the host
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: seemed as surprised as anybody.
• 38:18
  Speaker 18: I'm curious like you don't do too many long form interviews.
• 38:23
  Speaker 18: What made you want to do Call Her Daddy today?
• 38:26
  Speaker 19: Well, I think you and your listeners have really got
• 38:30
  Speaker 19: this thing right, which is one of the best ways
• 38:33
  Speaker 19: to communicate with people is to be real, you know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 19: and to talk about the things that people really care about.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: It be real.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Good Lord, I asked Kristen Tate whether this was smart
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: politics or desperate politics.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Well, the fact that.
• 38:53
  Speaker 20: Kamala Harris decided to go on that podcast at this
• 38:57
  Speaker 20: time tells you everything you need to know about her.
• 39:00
  Speaker 20: This is a podcast Call Her Daddy that specializes in
• 39:04
  Speaker 20: lobottomized X rated content, content that I can't even reference here, Chris,
• 39:08
  Speaker 20: it's just so x rated.
• 39:11
  Speaker 15: And she goes on this podcast at a time when hundreds.
• 39:14
  Speaker 20: Of Americans have just died in the wake of a
• 39:16
  Speaker 20: major hurricane in North Carolina, and we have another hurricane
• 39:20
  Speaker 20: barreling towards Florida that's supposed to be the worst in
• 39:23
  Speaker 20: decades that this country has seen. Meanwhile, FEMA is saying
• 39:26
  Speaker 20: it's out of money, as it has spent billions of
• 39:29
  Speaker 20: dollars in the last few years helping in legal immigrants.
• 39:32
  Speaker 20: Where is the leadership this is the sitting president of
• 39:35
  Speaker 20: the United States, and she's going on this podcast with
• 39:38
  Speaker 20: this brain dead host who probably can't even spell budget deficit,
• 39:43
  Speaker 20: who won't ask her any questions about the economy or
• 39:45
  Speaker 20: these hurricanes or anything else going on in the country.
• 39:48
  Speaker 20: So they spend the whole time talking about abortion and
• 39:50
  Speaker 20: so called women's rights.
• 39:51
  Speaker 15: It's an absolute joke.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I have to pick you up, Christian.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: There was one references a blink to the economy. She
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: said that young people sometimes were not having children because
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: it's too expensive. Side there was at cost of living reference.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 18: How are you going to help young people not feel
• 40:11
  Speaker 18: left behind?
• 40:12
  Speaker 19: So, first of all, it's a very real issue and
• 40:16
  Speaker 19: we need to take it seriously. And I do take
• 40:18
  Speaker 19: it very seriously. So there are a number of issues
• 40:21
  Speaker 19: that contribute to that feeling. One is housing is too expensive.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: How about that for a nonswer on the economic plan.
• 40:32
  Speaker 20: Yes, she takes it so seriously that as vice president
• 40:35
  Speaker 20: she's done nothing. What if you've done in the past
• 40:38
  Speaker 20: few years other than make it worse and more expensive
• 40:41
  Speaker 20: for families in this country, Kama, But.
• 40:43
  Speaker 15: Of course there were no real follow up questions.
• 40:45
  Speaker 20: This debate was lacking holy in substance, but hey, that's
• 40:49
  Speaker 20: what you expect when you go on the Call Her
• 40:51
  Speaker 20: Daddy podcast.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in incredible stuff, very worrying.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Really, let's have a look at another presidential candidate that
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: from the Democrats saw. I'd one who was famous for
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: talking about the deplorables who would vote for Donald Trump.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: That is, of course Hillary Clinton. She's said the quiet
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: bit out loud again in this outset when she's talking
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: about how there should be more controls over the digital media.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Johns have a listen.
• 41:16
  Speaker 21: If the platforms, whether it's Facebook or Twitter, X or
• 41:22
  Speaker 21: Instagram or TikTok, whatever they are, if they don't moderate
• 41:26
  Speaker 21: and monitor the content, we lose total control.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Lose total control.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Does she think they have total control over the media
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: as it stands.
• 41:39
  Speaker 20: Well, she feels that they're losing control because of platforms
• 41:42
  Speaker 20: like X. These Democrats used to at least pretend to
• 41:45
  Speaker 20: care about the freedom of speech, but now they're just
• 41:47
  Speaker 20: open about their hatred of it. But here's what I wonder, Chris,
• 41:50
  Speaker 20: when I listened to that, she says we will lose
• 41:52
  Speaker 20: total control.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Who is we?
• 41:55
  Speaker 20: I guess that's supposed to mean Democrats and the deep state,
• 41:58
  Speaker 20: you know, and of course Hillary, she can disinformation about
• 42:01
  Speaker 20: Trump being a Russian asset. But you, normal working class American,
• 42:04
  Speaker 20: you aren't allowed to post things on Twitter about Hunter's laptop.
• 42:08
  Speaker 15: Which ended up being all totally true.
• 42:11
  Speaker 20: Of these tyrants. They're so power hungry, Chris, and they
• 42:14
  Speaker 20: don't want to just control the narrative, they want to
• 42:16
  Speaker 20: control reality. They tell us men can get pregnant, people
• 42:19
  Speaker 20: can switch their genders, and all these things that just
• 42:22
  Speaker 20: don't hold up when the slightest amount of pressure is
• 42:25
  Speaker 20: applied to these theories.
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: They're all fake. The only way they can implement.
• 42:29
  Speaker 20: These crazy ideas as if they have total control over
• 42:32
  Speaker 20: conversations in this.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Country, absolutely total control.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Now we know Elon Musk, the billionaire and the block
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: who bought X. Of course uh brain nine X after
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: he bought it this Twitter. He's on board fully with
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, even a Peter at a rally with him
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: this week.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: But he's got an interesting theory as.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: To why a lot of other billionaires actually support the Democrats.
• 42:55
  Speaker 22: He well, look, you know, I think part of why
• 42:58
  Speaker 22: Comala's getting so much support is that if Trump wins,
• 43:03
  Speaker 22: that Fstein client list is going to become public. Yes,
• 43:08
  Speaker 22: and some of those billionaires behind Kamala are terrified of
• 43:10
  Speaker 22: that outcome.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: The Epstein client list.
• 43:13
  Speaker 20: Kristin, of course he's correct about that. There are people
• 43:18
  Speaker 20: out there who are absolutely terrified that if Trump wins,
• 43:22
  Speaker 20: the truth will become known about Epstein. Elon Musk actually
• 43:26
  Speaker 20: just appeared with Trump at a rally the other day,
• 43:29
  Speaker 20: his first back in Butler where he was shot a
• 43:32
  Speaker 20: couple months back. And it's so incredible to have Elon
• 43:35
  Speaker 20: on board. Not that he'll switch over tons of voters,
• 43:38
  Speaker 20: although he may, but because now.
• 43:40
  Speaker 15: More rich and famous people.
• 43:43
  Speaker 20: More very wealthy people in business, may have the courage
• 43:48
  Speaker 20: to come forward and support Trump. Also, of course, those
• 43:51
  Speaker 20: who don't have things hied.
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: With regard to Epstein. But I of course think he's
• 43:55
  Speaker 15: correct in his comments to Tucker.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly, Kristin, you've written again that you think
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump should push for another debate with Kamala Harris.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Now, I've tended to agree with you.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I think he'd do very well in another debate, But
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: he could be on track to win already, couldn't he.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe as a risk, he doesn't need to Tyke.
• 44:15
  Speaker 15: It's just too close right now.
• 44:17
  Speaker 20: Chris, and with Democrats trying to expand mail in voting
• 44:21
  Speaker 20: and making election day into election months, it's really imperative
• 44:25
  Speaker 20: that Trump turn out his base as much as possible
• 44:29
  Speaker 20: and get as many of those independents as he can.
• 44:32
  Speaker 20: And there are no more inflection points left in this
• 44:36
  Speaker 20: race where a serious landmark change could happen except for
• 44:41
  Speaker 20: the possibility of another debate.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: He needs it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 20: Actually, both candidates kind of need it, but Trump has
• 44:47
  Speaker 20: more of an opportunity to absolutely bury Kamala. Hopefully he
• 44:50
  Speaker 20: learned his mistake, He learned from his mistakes in that
• 44:53
  Speaker 20: first debate where he had so many missed opportunities.
• 44:56
  Speaker 15: He should be more focused this time, more.
• 44:58
  Speaker 20: Disciplined, and I he can do that and bury her
• 45:02
  Speaker 20: where she deserves to be buried.
• 45:03
  Speaker 15: On the economy, on immigration, and on crime.
• 45:05
  Speaker 20: Those three subjects, he could really get some points back
• 45:10
  Speaker 20: over on his side, which he needs right now, because
• 45:12
  Speaker 20: again this phrase is just so tate.
• 45:15
  Speaker 15: He needs every point he can get.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Christin, I think you're right on political strategy, and
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I also think voters in the US deserve it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. Thanks for joining us again.
• 45:26
  Speaker 15: Thank you so much.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: As always, Chris going to be a crazy month in
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: the stage.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Now, don't go I.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: After the break, I'll catch up with Tim Blair. We'll
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: talk about the work war on cartoonists. Another great cartoonist
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: in strife.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Let's catch up with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Tim.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I want to go straight to this cartoon of Mark
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Knight's a Press Council ruling against the brilliant Herald Sun
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: cartoonist Mark not I hat draw attention to this stuff
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: in a way, but we've got to show our support
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: to show the madness at play.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: This is a and commenting on the race to cut
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: back Australia's immigration rate, and Tim, the Press Council says, yeah,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: it's fair enough to have commentary on immigration, but they're
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: actually saying that the racial makeup of the people coming
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: in isn't quite correct. There should be more Chinese people
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: or more Indian people, as if you control whether these people.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Are from India or somewhere else. I mean, it's just madness,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: isn't it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: And A cartoonists are taking a risk whenever they draw
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: somebody who is not overtly white, heterosexual male.
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: Exactly it's an insane situation. And Mark Knight, in his
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: response column to this in the Herald Zone dealt with
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: it brilliantly. Because the Press Council, as the Press Council
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: always does, they came at him with their serious hammers.
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: They've only got serious hammers. They tweet everything with. Everything's
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: huge and serious and it can't be measured against any
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: kind of you know, jocular or amusing sort of content.
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: When you do that against a satirist of Mark Knight quality,
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: well you're in a bit of strife because he in
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: his response he got more laughs out of explaining the
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: bizarre machinations and the assessment and as you say, counting
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: the number of the minority even down to their facial features.
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: It's it's crazy. It makes them look more stupid than
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: even that the Press cantle already is.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're beyond satire.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I mean they want Martin Knight to write the immigration
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: policy rather than have a cartoon that captures issues of
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the moment that makes us laugh at them. Speaking of that,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Johannes Leek has sent me in his cartoon for The
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Australian Tomorrow.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Look at this.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: He's got olbow spread across between Palestine and Israel, and
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: he's saying, is it really so hard to reach across
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: the aisle every once in a while.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Mister Dunton. Yeah, I think Peter Dutton's happy to be
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: on one side of that debate.
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: Yes, that's a that's a bit of a variation on
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: from the river to the sea, isn't it, from the
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: from the from from the from the elastic to the gusset.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, poor old elbows about to end up in the drink.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Very quickly we highlighted this, this clip of Anthony Alberanezi
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: last week.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: You will have seen it. A product comes out in
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: new packaging. It's the same price as before, but the
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: box feels a little bit lighter. It's called shrink flation.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: And thanks to your memory, Tim, you reminded us of
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: this from Joe Biden earlier in the year, around Super
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Bowl time.
• 48:25
  Speaker 23: You know, when buying snacks for the game, you might
• 48:27
  Speaker 23: have noticed one thing. Sports drinks bottles are smaller. The
• 48:30
  Speaker 23: bag of chips is fewer chips. They're still charging in
• 48:33
  Speaker 23: chest as much as an ice cream lover. What makes
• 48:36
  Speaker 23: me the most angry is that ice cream carts have
• 48:38
  Speaker 23: actually shrunk inside, not in praise. I've had enough of
• 48:42
  Speaker 23: whether they called shrimp.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Fleation, Tim.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Plagiarism is one thing, but plagiarizing Joe Biden would seem
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to be madness.
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: Especially after Joe's already bailed out all the right. He
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: could sit there eating as much ice cream as he wants,
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: and we've got things are pretty serious worldwide now, and
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: Albaneze's taking his ideas from someone whose brain is probably
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: got the same colorific content as ice cream.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: We were about there at the unbelievable. Thanks for joining us, Tim,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: We'll catch you later in the week. That's all the
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: time we got for you tonight. I don't forget cherry
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: marks and at eight o'clock. I'll see you tomorrow at five.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter