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Championship Sunday recap with Cam and Kayvon Thibodeaux, plus they debate what's better: rings or riches? · NFL Game Previews

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  Speaker 1: It's Cam Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: Here we are twentieth episode of Off the Edge of
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  Speaker 2: the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Man, we're here twenty look at us go.
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  Speaker 2: Not only gonna we talk about the SC championship game,
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  Speaker 2: which you know, Baltimore Ravens versus the Kansas City Chiefs.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the NFC championship game. Nick Bosa Bowling,
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  Speaker 2: Our Grades Bowling, Eric Arsten Bowling. And then we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: talk about you know who they played in the Detroit Lions.
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  Speaker 2: Tough to watch it, but we'll talk about.
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  Speaker 1: It as well as you know.
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  Speaker 2: We're just gonna get my guy, Caveon Thibodeau, Young Buck,
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  Speaker 2: Young Bull with the first you know, ten plus sax
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  Speaker 2: season this past season, his second year, turning it up,
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  Speaker 2: turning it on often his second year in the league.
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  Speaker 2: Cavon Thibodeau, Now, let's get into the East Conference championship games.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. I had picked Now.
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  Speaker 2: In my mind, I was like, I don't care who wins,
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  Speaker 2: Like if the Saints Saint in the I don't care
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  Speaker 2: who wins. But in my mind I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: well it's really like Saint Smidwest with Detroit Lions, Dan Campbell,
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn. You know you've got Chauncey Gardner, Johnson, Alex
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  Speaker 2: Anzelone even you know a former og of mine that
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  Speaker 2: played at cal defensive and opposite of me, tyson A.
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  Speaker 2: Lulu had got activated and played in the game and
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  Speaker 2: even had a sack shout out to my dog tyson O.
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  Speaker 2: Lulu and Detroit looked like they were convincingly winning in
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  Speaker 2: the first half, and then the Niners woke up the
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  Speaker 2: giant that they are and got to putting the beat
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  Speaker 2: down on Detroit, which Detroit still had chances to win
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  Speaker 2: the game.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was an exciting game.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of those games that you can talk
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  Speaker 2: about and like, dang, I did not see this one coming. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: just like you did in the AFC Championship game with
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  Speaker 2: Pat Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Taylor Swift. Every three series they
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  Speaker 2: show her, which I have.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I feel no, no, no way about it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really.
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  Speaker 2: Know her music, but I I'm rooting for my friends,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So I know Travis Kelsey pretty pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I think Charles Men who is was bawling up until
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  Speaker 2: he got hurt in the game. On the other side,
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  Speaker 2: you know Marcus Williams, you know Lamar Jackson, You've got
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  Speaker 2: Arthur Malett.
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  Speaker 1: Formerly of the Saints.
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  Speaker 2: Over there, there's guys you can root for. So I
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  Speaker 2: was rooting for individuals, and yet I was still like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Lamar Jackson, do one. Pat Mahomes has like two,
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  Speaker 2: has been in three Super Bowls.
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  Speaker 1: But to no avail. Pat Mahomes.
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  Speaker 2: Pat Mahome Boy then showed up and showed out. Therefore,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Len Leven targets level receptions. Travis Kelsey showed
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  Speaker 2: up and showed out. You know, Marquz, I'm not even
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  Speaker 2: gonna try that one. For all discounting Scantling Valdez, it's
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  Speaker 2: one of the two had the game ceiling catch and
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  Speaker 2: that was it. Somehow, some way, the Chiefs when they
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  Speaker 2: hit the playoffs, they hit it and stride Chris Jones,
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  Speaker 2: killer Monster, George Carter loftus baller.
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  Speaker 1: It's just one of those things that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a reason why the Chiefs have been four Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowls in the last six years. Is it crazy? You
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  Speaker 2: can't count him out. Don't count him out. That's a
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  Speaker 2: problem if you do.
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  Speaker 1: So on that note, we're just gonna talk about my
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  Speaker 1: guests coming up.
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  Speaker 2: Got the young buck, young bull, guy from the Giants,
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  Speaker 2: got drafted out of Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: Talented, top five pick at number five.
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  Speaker 4: A young bull, young gun, a young.
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  Speaker 2: Killer off the edge, Cavon Thibodeaux from from Oregon. You know,
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  Speaker 2: fifth pick overall in twenty twenty two. Second year ran
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  Speaker 2: boy went for more than ten sacks, Bro, I just
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  Speaker 2: appreciate you tapping in with me. I mean beyond sacks.
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  Speaker 2: You know you still pushed in another fifty tackles.
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  Speaker 1: You know what to work.
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  Speaker 2: We played all this year and you know you were
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  Speaker 2: a menace. You were a minis on the line. I
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  Speaker 2: love them.
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  Speaker 1: I love to see the.
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  Speaker 3: Best of us, the best of us.
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  Speaker 2: This time, Bro, you had a kid named Tommy Cutlet
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  Speaker 2: spinning that thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one for the young bulls. You know he
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  Speaker 3: almost got it done.
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  Speaker 2: We gotta keep going absolutely when you have a four
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  Speaker 2: man dollar quarterback that you hope to be playing. Look,
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  Speaker 2: I've been in that position where I've seen our starter
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  Speaker 2: quarterback go down and the next man up have to
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  Speaker 2: go and.
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  Speaker 1: You could win, you could win some, but get away.
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  Speaker 3: Get tough, Yeah, get tough in that and that deep end.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you go from a Desert Eagle to a
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  Speaker 2: Smith and West and you're like, all right, we can
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  Speaker 2: get the job.
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  Speaker 1: So the second year, Man, what changed for you this year?
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  Speaker 1: You talk about for the first year you got actily made.
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  Speaker 1: A second year you turned it up.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, you just the comfortability, you know, you talk
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  Speaker 3: about being second year in the system. Second year, you know,
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  Speaker 3: going against the best guys in the league or the
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  Speaker 3: best guys in the world. I should say, you just
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  Speaker 3: start to feel more comfortable. You get a little more
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  Speaker 3: time to rest, you get more time off. You know.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously coming off college, you got the draft and all
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  Speaker 3: that to prepare for it, so you never actually get
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  Speaker 3: your body time to rest and time to you know,
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  Speaker 3: focus on football. You know. So now I had a
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  Speaker 3: full off season last year. I was able to come in.
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  Speaker 3: I was able to really focus on the game and
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  Speaker 3: how to get better and what I need to get
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  Speaker 3: better at. And then you I was able to and
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  Speaker 3: then playing alongside guys obviously Dexter Lawrence learning how to
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  Speaker 3: rush the passer with you know, other guys Leonard Williams,
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  Speaker 3: he got traded, but you know that was a guy
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  Speaker 3: who kind of helped develop my game, and then Dis's
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  Speaker 3: on the other side and every other man that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of stepped up and been a part of the front,
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  Speaker 3: we just been you know, they've been a vessel and
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  Speaker 3: they've been there to, you know, help me grow, and
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  Speaker 3: we've learned how to rush as a unit. And that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of that's was a testament to you know, the
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  Speaker 3: plays we're making.
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  Speaker 2: We love that PC answer. Yeah, yeah, give flowers to everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I can't go to big your big erol Step. You
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  Speaker 2: clearly hooped in high school, Big big, big yearo Step.
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  Speaker 2: I see what you did there, big Lag, big Lane.
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  Speaker 2: From the film that I've watched. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: your first year you showed, you showed some glimpses. This
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  Speaker 2: year it seemed like, you know, I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: to say that without having to say pause. You learned
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  Speaker 2: how to use your length more like it's crazy work
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  Speaker 2: to help out, you know, But as a defensive end, bro,
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  Speaker 2: you learn how to extend your arms out, lockout, and
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  Speaker 2: as well as uh, you know, your long arm and
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  Speaker 2: power sort of came into play.
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  Speaker 3: So for me, you know, I used to use long
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  Speaker 3: arm in college. But you start to play against guys
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  Speaker 3: that aren't you know they're not going forward as much
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  Speaker 3: as guys where you got Trent William, you got you know,
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  Speaker 3: Piney Seuwel, you got guys across the league who are
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  Speaker 3: You're not You're not gonna let a guy that's two
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty five pounds long arm you you know,
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  Speaker 3: And for me as a rookie, I you know, you
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  Speaker 3: have that kind of in your head, right It's like
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  Speaker 3: you're going to fight Mike Tyson. It's like, Okay, I
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  Speaker 3: know what this guy has, so it kind of intimidates
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  Speaker 3: you and what you can do. So me kind of
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  Speaker 3: coming into the second year, I was able to build
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  Speaker 3: that confidence in the moves that I've already had, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, able to kind of believe in them a
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  Speaker 3: little more and start to you know, put them on display.
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  Speaker 1: No doubt. Do you have a favorite pass social move now?
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  Speaker 3: I mean I would say long arm. You know that's
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  Speaker 3: always when you got when you are a guy with length, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: you know you got to keep guys at a distance
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  Speaker 3: because I'm not the strongest guy. I can't. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you see a lot of guys kind of just move
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  Speaker 3: guys out the way and dexter Lawrence lenn Williams or
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  Speaker 3: guys examples even you are an example of that. When
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  Speaker 3: you have a little more weight behind you, you can
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  Speaker 3: you know, you can use your moves, you can throw
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  Speaker 3: them around. But me now being able to use the
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  Speaker 3: long arm, keep the link and work off of it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you start to see how there's so many
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  Speaker 3: moves and it's really just the angles. Your angles are
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  Speaker 3: a lot better off the long arm rather than like
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  Speaker 3: last year I was, there was a lot of running
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  Speaker 3: around the quarterback and it was like I got pressures
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  Speaker 3: and I got you know, hits. But I had to
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  Speaker 3: kind of shorten that angle because you know, guys are
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  Speaker 3: stepping up quarterbacks, they get paid money. They do for
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  Speaker 3: a reason. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I like to switch it up into my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Is it's three really really two different angles. I think
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  Speaker 2: about the speed angle, which is a vertical attack, and
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  Speaker 2: I think about a power angle, which means I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: sit your ass down, you know, And I say three
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  Speaker 2: at three angles because then like there's sometimes where you
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  Speaker 2: go into a wide nine ish and you still angle
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  Speaker 2: them down. So now instead of you know, meeting no
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  Speaker 2: matter what you think, it would be a speed angle,
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  Speaker 2: it's like a combination coming in you never.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you never realized how much geometry was in football.
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  Speaker 1: Right at all angles angle?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Hit a girl, look girlfriend out there like so so
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  Speaker 2: so bring that over here, you know, like, oh you
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  Speaker 2: know how you know how to short in a stell?
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  Speaker 1: Come bringing it over here? Or wife in my case
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  Speaker 1: because you know I'm married with four kids.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good life, man, that's a good life.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not there, yeah, but I'm a crossover soon no, no, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean soon as relative, as soon as relative.
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  Speaker 2: When that mustache and beard drop and connect, when connect,
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: No, don't do that, don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Don't enjoy, Enjoy, enjoy you know, year two, Enjoy year three,
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  Speaker 2: four or five six, Maybe introduce the idea.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I think I got to your I was like
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  Speaker 1: your four before.
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  Speaker 3: People noticed when when when he started talking, he started whispering,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna catch flat from wife you regardless. So
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  Speaker 2: let's just you know, where exactly do you want to
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  Speaker 2: go with it? But I'm sure you watch the games
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  Speaker 2: this weekend, bro, what what did you take away from
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  Speaker 2: the conference championship games?
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  Speaker 1: Because basically we all want to be there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, obviously, Like, dude, just first, I could you know,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: were rooting for Lamar and I just off with the
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  Speaker 3: Lamar Patrick Mahons game. A lot of people are rooting
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  Speaker 3: for Lamar because of the flac that he gets right
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  Speaker 3: for his style of play right, and I think us
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  Speaker 3: being players and us knowing how to grind, Like, for example,
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  Speaker 3: you do a swim move. You know, swim move is
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  Speaker 3: better than any swim move I've ever seen. But I
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  Speaker 3: could promise that there are coaches or people that probably
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  Speaker 3: told you along your lines that, oh the swim move
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  Speaker 3: is you know, that's that's not the move, or you know,
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  Speaker 3: like that never gonna work. You've heard that, and you've
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: made a hundred sacks you know, in counting whatever to
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  Speaker 3: get to that point. But yeah, man, you talk about
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  Speaker 3: a lot of guys seeing a guy like Lamar Jackson
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  Speaker 3: and what he can do and what he brings to
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  Speaker 3: the game, and you know, all the flak that he
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  Speaker 3: gets and all of the scrutiny that he's under even
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  Speaker 3: though he is one of the you know, greatest athletic,
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  Speaker 3: you know, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
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  Speaker 3: I think as far as athleticism, in ability, athleticism crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, I feel like we're all rooted for him,
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  Speaker 3: you know, watching the game. Obviously the Baltimore has a
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: great defense, but I think, you know, Patrick Mahons, they've
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  Speaker 3: just been there too many times. I hate to say,
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  Speaker 3: you've just been there too many times. You've done it
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  Speaker 3: too many times.
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  Speaker 1: King of the Hill. You got to prove them, You
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  Speaker 1: got to prove them they're wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's four super Bowls now in five or six years.
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  Speaker 1: You without this one, three super bowls in five.
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  Speaker 3: Or six years. Got Chris Jones in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Jones in the middle, George carl is just living.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to Carloftons. He's the boy. You know, we
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  Speaker 3: were in the same Dravet class, right right, man crazy
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  Speaker 3: and then the young guys in the back end, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the dvs. You gotta step up, you gotta make players,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta stop it, and they making plays, man. And
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  Speaker 3: I would say I would say on that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when you just talk about the game, it's tough when
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  Speaker 3: you know you are fighting that uphill battle, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and they fought, they obviously fought to the end, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's tough man, So they're gonna get it, right.
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  Speaker 3: I still I still see them being a good team
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  Speaker 3: if you.
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  Speaker 2: Give them back three plays as eight Flowers could have
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  Speaker 2: been touched down the you know, the interception left.
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  Speaker 3: I left the house right when he when he caught
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  Speaker 3: it and he and he did the he got the flag.
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  Speaker 3: I was leaving and I'm like, oh, yeah, they're gonna score.
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  Speaker 3: And I come back and I realized the score was
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  Speaker 3: the same. I'm like, yo, it was the touchback rule.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think about that? That touchback?
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  Speaker 1: It is what it is. Hey, if you follow I
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  Speaker 1: love it. That's what I'm saying, Like, that's just desserts.
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  Speaker 2: Like don't we're not going to reward you for you
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  Speaker 2: Like you're not gonna get rewarded for trying to be Superman.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, but say Flowers as young
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  Speaker 2: as he is, bro like a special as the season
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  Speaker 2: as he had as a rookie, Like he's gonna continue
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  Speaker 2: building on that, Like hopefully he uses that as motivation
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  Speaker 2: becomes even like even more of a dog, which he
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  Speaker 2: already was.
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  Speaker 3: It happens to the best of us. That's that's one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that you you wouldn't wish on anybody.
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  Speaker 3: It's just you know, it happens.
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  Speaker 2: Man, you know, and all that look on the same team,
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  Speaker 2: there was Marcus Williams, like I believe his his rookie year,
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  Speaker 2: he had something similar happened like against you know, New
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  Speaker 2: Orleans Saints playing Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: But god, why did you just bring that up exactly?
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  Speaker 2: Because that's like that's like the level that was there, right,
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  Speaker 2: So you can be you know, where you could pivot
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: one of two ways. You can get down to yourself
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  Speaker 2: and not be a better player than you were before,
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  Speaker 2: or you become like Marcus Williams, who you know, ended
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  Speaker 2: up getting a major contract going crazy, had like seven
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  Speaker 2: picks like two years, two seasons ago.
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  Speaker 3: Like this, This is funny. It's funny how you say that,
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  Speaker 3: because like for me, that was my last year, like
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  Speaker 3: going four and a half sacks, Like that's obviously not
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  Speaker 3: what I wanted to be or what I wanted to do,
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  Speaker 3: but it was like for me, you know, when you
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: watch the game and you understand football, it's like a scheme.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much that goes into getting a sack.
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  Speaker 2: There's I mean, it's you can win, you can win
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  Speaker 2: all your reps and still not get sacked.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not get a sack, and that's just that's the
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  Speaker 3: game we play. So for me, it was like at
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  Speaker 3: the time, it's like, damn man, Like people call me bus,
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  Speaker 3: people like, oh, this dude is you know, blah blah
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  Speaker 3: blah the media and.
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  Speaker 1: Your first sack was off, Like let's even talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: But if your rookie year, your first sack was off
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  Speaker 2: with lamar jack for the strip sack fumble.
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  Speaker 1: Really to like the.
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  Speaker 3: Game, it was pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Much it was a blessing, like you like, that's what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying. So there's there's flashes like as a rookie,
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  Speaker 2: you'd be like, all right, bet, this is what we
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  Speaker 2: can build off of.
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  Speaker 1: You can't label you can't label.
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  Speaker 2: A rookie a bus like I don't think I don't
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  Speaker 2: think there's there should be aiding to do so like
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  Speaker 2: you're one is foundation year, Now show me something else.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely it's definitely, you know, building grounds. And I
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  Speaker 3: would say it's just tough, you know, when you're a
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  Speaker 3: kid going through like you know, nineteen twenty twenty or
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  Speaker 3: probably nineteen, but twenty twenty one, twenty two, your kid
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  Speaker 3: going through you know, and you got the world at
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  Speaker 3: your hands basically, and it's like even like you know,
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  Speaker 3: like you say, it's a flower situation. Like this kid
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  Speaker 3: is just trying to make as many plays as possible.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's never been at a stage bigger than this,
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  Speaker 3: so it's like he has to prove, you know, his
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  Speaker 3: legacy in one game. And it's like stuff just man.
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  Speaker 3: You know, sometimes the football guys, you know, sometimes the
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  Speaker 3: game just goes away. It goes and no doubt.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: Hey, it's crazy you gonna bring up the football guys.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: You know, Hey, them old coaches.
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: You should swear, man, you.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Can go listen to the football guys.
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: I believe. I believe.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: Look, yeah you can. I believe in a football outlying source.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Look, brother Christian, they can
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: only be one guy.
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not the word we should use it the football energy.
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: There we go to respect the game.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: Respect, Oh coach, we dropped that joint. I came home
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: one time, was like, man, the football guys, and my
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: mom looked at me.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, yes, ma'am, yea not of clear right.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: I look football outliers energy. I like, I like energy.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: I might use that one. But so then you go
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: to you know, you checked out that game which Pat mahone. Boys,
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: just it just is what it is.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: He catches a lot of hate for his outside circumstances,
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: people like people like.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Did you see his dad smoke a cigar? Did you
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: see his see his his wife being all happy and chipper?
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Can you like?
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, if people around me are having success,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be the most annoying mug out there.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Like I'm Jackson Mahomes. I'm out there on the fifty
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: yard like dancing.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: You can't come on, I'm dancing. I'm super Bowl every year.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: Come on, bro, you listen. I went to the I
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: went to the I went to the Bills, the Bills
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: Chiefs game. Ruh. These first Taylor Swift got our own thing.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's uh, you know, it got the it
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: got the shade on the glass. Right then, the Mahons
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: families on the other side, as soon as they opened
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: their box, snowballs just come flying in. Like the fan
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: the Bills fans are just lying the snowballs and the dad,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: you know, the dad is right in front and it's
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: just so cold because he's you know, obviously he's not
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: a part of the Shenanigans and TikTok and all the fun.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: He's just Jay. Is that what Jason Kelsey like jumped
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: on the other side.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah. It was definitely a time. But when you
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: when you're winning, it's nothing people can do other than
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: look for other reasons to tear you down.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I like him because because I'm a winner, that's it.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: He took over from Alex Smith.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: And thinking about look, I just I just seen the
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: tweet that's like, yo, Patrick Mahons is going to be
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: the Michael Jordan of the NFL. Like, watch how many quarterbacks,
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: how many great quarterbacks don't have a ring because of
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahons. And I was like, yo, that that's true.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: It's a bunch of Charles Barkley's and you know all
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: the rest of the guys. I was out there with
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: no Michael Jordan. Yeah, your thirteen without a ring. I'm like, yo, hey,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: question for you. I got a question for you. So
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: that was the thing that I saw in the NBA.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I think it was a gilbrid Arenas and they were
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: talking about would you would you rather get, you know,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: a fifty million dollar contract and a ring or one
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollar contract and no ring.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I'd have to answer it.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: I don't answer question. Don't answer it because of what
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: the media is gonna say. Don't ask.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've got no fear of media. Look, I'm only
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: going to ask this, does it matter where? Because it's
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: going to matter where for me? Because there's places in
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: this world like Buffalo could not offer me enough money
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: to get there too cold.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Like bro, my my only, my only prayer before I
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: got drafted was Lord, don't send me anywhere cold Green Bay.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: They could be like, oh, can, We're gonna make you
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: the highest paid defensive end at thirty five million dollars
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: a year, and I'd like, politely thank you for your offer.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take something else.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not Bro, I'm never gonna play somewhere cold, because
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: after you think we're fighting over fifty MILLI dollars one
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars, that's still.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: More money than I've ever wanted in my life. I
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: came in this game, I was like, Hey, I leave
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: with ten million dollars, I'm never gonna have to work again.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: What I was like, yo, I was like, I was like,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: if I leave with ten I never have to work again. Mom,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: never have to work again.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: We're good man.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I passed that up like by year four or five,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: you know. So like so if you say.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Fifty million dollars in one hand, one hundred million dollars
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: then other no ring, super Bowl ring. I'm taking a
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl ring. But it's gonna depend on the whare. Yeah,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: it's going to depend on where. If you say, yo, Kim,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: you can stay in New Orleans for the fifty or
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: you have to go to New England for a hundred.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I'll be right here in New Orleans jail.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Now if you say right, if you say, if you
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: say fifty Kim at Cleveland or a hunted a Buffalo,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I'm retired.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit you with that drunk lock.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: So look, let's say you saw the future. Let's say
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: you saw the future. Yeah, it's all got to be
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Neworalous four years ago. Four years ago. Yeah, four years ago.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: They're like, look, we got two million to come to
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: come to Kansas City, and you knew that what the
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: future is gonna be. I'm talking about today nothing, but
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: you knew they win the Super they're gonna win the
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: next you know, high ready super Bowls?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: What you're doing I'm staying right here in New Orleans, Cane.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: That's what I like. That's a great answer. Don't do it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: But see you already playing the cold half of this
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: because I'm not playing in the cold. I've seen that thing, Bro,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I ain't playing. You laid my first played my first
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: cold game, bro at year twelve in Cleveland, negative thirty
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and negative twenty five.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: It was some dumb stuff.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: It was like it was like it was like three degrees,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: but with the windshield it was like negative twenty something.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: When I tell you, it affirmed everything I've ever believed in.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I was like, no, I don't play.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I played this game. I hated everybody. I hated myself,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: like I'm not a good person in the cold. I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: was like, man, screw you, screw you.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I was like, no better when you're losing in this
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: cold real ba, no better, boy, man. And I was
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: saying the pain. So so then you talk about the
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: next game, you talk about the Lions, and you talk
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: about who they just played, man, Lions Niners, and it's
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: like you just see like and for for them, it
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: was at the it was at the forty nine.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Ers right said, probably it was it was in San Francisco.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: It was. It was in San Francisco. Yeah, yeh, that's
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You know, that's San Francisco, you know
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: So North North Bay not really San Francisco, but like
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: North Bay whatever.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: It ain't that bad. So, but you're talking about like
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: that turmoil of continuously playing. Like, man, I felt those
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Lions players like you going there and it's like, man,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you know you work so hard. It's like you come
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: up dish short. The check ain't even worth it check
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: and you can keep my check. Bro.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I stopped watching after halftime. I left it like it
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: wasn't enjoying my pizza. I was like, man, I was like,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: all right, so this game over. I was like playing
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: with my kids doing some other stuff. I know, in fact,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I think yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I was back by then, bro, Like I was like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: all right, cool, come back. I look at the look up.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: It's the fourth quarter and it's tied up.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I said, what yeah, it's some ducks on that and
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: some ducks on that Niner team. We got some we
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: got some ducks on the you know, shout out to Pinasu, man,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I mean a great player, great officer player, but you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the forty nine has got some of our guys too,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: so I'm happy for him.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Scow Ducks and look at the last of the pack, man,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I don't even I don't even. I don't even know
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: how to feel about that bro in fact, beyond the pack,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Like I was, I think when I left, like that
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: was the last year of packed ten. Think about that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: So then it went Pack twelve. I've never claimed Colorado
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: or Utah.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I was like, I mean we beat Utah, but you tah,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: they did beat this that last time.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I mean horrible after I left, so like I Cali,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: like real bad. And we used to we were scraping,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you know, y'all used to have some We used to
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: have some battles out out.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: In the Eugene and Eugene.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we used to have some battles.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Deshaun Jackson going crazy my freshman year gets y'all in
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Autsen back when it was like really rocking.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I mean it was right, it's still rocking, you know.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I know, cals not much, but it's not the same.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: It's not the same. It's not the same. I'm trying
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to throw.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: When I came back, listen, when I came back, I
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: got I got ejected from a game.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about for y'all. I'm talking for cal
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: It's not Yeah, but we used to pack seventy thousand.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It's like sixty eight thousand out like people on the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: hills out there, you bro, you couldn't buy them tickets.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Boys refused to sell.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Them to you. And I think I see people. I
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: think more people, more people. Like there's a little there's
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: a little hill right right outside the stadium. I think
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: more people sit up there on that hill than in the.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Stadium, no doubt.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Oh it's bad Like Cala, I.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Didn't know that was that many bootleggers and their boot legging.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Hey, that's crazy, Like things have changed. But I mean,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: you know, Oregon hasn't organ sort of stayed the same.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: They got all that Nike money. It was like shout
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: uncle Phil.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Man, which leads me to nil though, Like what's that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: even hitting on?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Like listen, you like you one of the first to
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: really capture n I L and make make you know
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: everybody in the world jealous, you know what I'm saying,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Like you had n I L.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Like what did that even feel?
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Like? Knowing like you was like you wasn't phenomenally like
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the sickest. It was like the sickest. It was the
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: sickest thing that could have happened, and sick meaning great
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: just because you know, if you were equipped with the
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: infrastructure as far as like knowledge and people around you,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was dope. So me, you know, I
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: was able to make money during the time. But you
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: talk about the money they're making now compared to when
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: I was making money, it's not even close, not even we've.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Been saying, but you're always gonna say about the next gen.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Like that's just you know, it's inflation. It is what
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: it is, and it's like and that's what I think.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Like even the guys that didn't, you know, in the
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: league that didn't, it's like, yeah, I'm sorry for them, man,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: they have they have to walk so we could run.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Looking at it, looking at cow guys like yeah, man,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: you know, like man like compart to all the other schools.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not making anything like hey, I got this deal
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and I got like ten grand ten ten grandy.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Hey, but you know what I was done with ten
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a test spot in college.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Come on, come on. But see, you know, the real
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: the real problem is that there's no there's no education infrastructure.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: So now you're giving a bunch of a bunch of
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: young guys who don't have any liabilities. So if I
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: don't have any liabilities, I don't have to worry about
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: what I use my assets on as far as my money,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: you know. So it's like when you talk about you're
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: giving guys ten thousand, twenty thousand, and thirty thousand. I
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: hate two cars in college? Why did I have two
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: cars in college? Because I could one was free and
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I paid for one. Why would I pay for one
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: when I got one free? But it's just like having knowledge,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: having understanding of what's important. And it's like, that's what
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I think is what's missing, you know, in that in
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: that whole level or education, you know, giving guys understanding that,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: like you just hit for half a million, you gotta
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: pay taxes on that big dog to go who how
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: to pay taxes on that big dog? And they we
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: don't get, we don't know that, we don't know. I've
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: never paid tax I've never had a job. So it's like,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: you know, when you talk about the it's a it's
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: a blessing and a curse. And now we just now
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: that we have all of this, we got to go.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: You know, we gotta be proactive about the information, no doubt.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I'll say, how how is that navigating that space? Does
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: like does college help out or is it just like
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: the wild wild West?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: You got to figure out? So for how to pay tax?
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Again, financial organ specifically we had they created and this
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: was a year I left, they created something called Division Street,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: which is basically what we just talked about. It's an
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: infrastructure for student athletes to learn about an io, to
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: learn about business and basically give them resources on you know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the things they need exactly.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: But do your parents give you a check book? Here's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: a checkbook?
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Do all schools do that? No? Is it something that's
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: regulated by the n cub A No, absolutely will it?
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Will it be regulated by the n C double A
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: when they can put taxes on it, they can make
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the piece. Yeah, when they can get their touch. But
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: n C double you find a way to get they
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: cut of course. Man. They tried to tell us my
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: first year that like any deal, you get registered in
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: this uh database. And I raised my hand. I said,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: so what's gonna happen if we don't. The lady said, Uh,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: they're still kind of figuring out what the repercussions are.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I said, so you I'm not going to tell you
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: what I'm making. Are you stupid? I was like, what
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: it makes sense? You want to tell you how much
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: money I'm bringing in?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: So you got come on, there's a reason why you
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: want this list, baby, And I can't help you.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Ain't no way how much.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much you I can't. I don't
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: even know how to read a contract. Uh. And then
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: look and then when you talk about you know the resources. Now,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: for me, I was the you know, a high draft pick,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: so there was already agents. We know, an agent game.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Everybody's reaching out and for me, I'm getting I'm getting knowledge.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to steer away these relationships. I'm gonna learn.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get everything I can. So when when
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: the time came, I kind of already had a plan
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: on what I was gonna do. You know, I was
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: already a big fan of Lebron, big fan of you know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the movement of n I L And when it happened,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: it was like I was, I was ready for it. Luckily,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the first deal I did was with Phil Knight, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: it was like an n f T at the time.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: So it was a space that he didn't know and
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't know. But we got people exactly. We got
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: people who were uh he had people that kind of
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: showed me the way, and that was kind of that
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: first step, and then from there it was just like
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: plug and play.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Right when you're first in nil deal coming from a
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: man who mastered the business plan, come on and say
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: you're gonna take you you take five hundred grand or
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: have a sitting down with Jay Z. I'm gonna sit
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: down with Phil Knight.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna sit down. I'm still getting there. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: ain't gonna get five hundred but I'm gonna still make
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: something off of.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: You know, man, we love we love that, all right.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: So what was that transition like like from from college
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to the NFL because pre n I L boys got
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the league and had to figure out how to have
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: the you know, the fiduciary responsibility of the finances to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: set aside and figure out your life or you sort
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: of figured it out in college, so that sort of
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: was was was it, you know, just neither here nor
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: there for you when you got to lead? So did
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: that make it easier for you the transition or because.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: It's just like more money.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: It was definitely, it was definitely easier. I say, the
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: bad part the only it wasn't really bad, But I say,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: the only hard part was that my taste got really
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: expensive faster than I would have hoped. So it wasn't
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: that I was a guy who's you know, nobody else
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: with you, you know, so it's not like I'm a
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: guy to go blow my money. But it's like, yo,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I might as well just eat the highest quality food
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: at the highest quality restaurants, at the highest quality you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Like it's just you realize, like, man, I can, so
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: why wouldn't I? You know, And in that part you
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: have to understand the time management. You know, people don't
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: really realize like, yeah, you get paid fifty million, forty million,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: thirty million, but you still got thirty years left to live.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: So it's like it's easy to go spend one thousand
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: dollars a day, fifteen two hundred, two thousand, one hundred
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: and ten thousand dollars every two weeks. But then it's like,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: you know that's gonna run out.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Or it's good while I'm playing, but what happens beyond
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: after I'm playing I'm over here.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: That was That was my idea. That's been That's been
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: my whole thing, where it's like, don't keep all my
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: eggs in one basket, continue to you know, be open
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: to longevity.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Basically, no, man, Hey, look look I put it like this.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: My my rookie year, I probably didn't spend that thing.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I paid for my car cash and was like, this
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: is my money and I need it now, like I
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: don't know how much long I'm gonna play. But after
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: that my second year, I was like, I got to
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: diversify the portfolio. I need I need a rental property,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I need this, I need this, I need this. After
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: my fifty year, I was like, bro, I just want
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: to focus on football. And then I was like, I
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: like somewhere around like that fifty or six years, I
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: was like, all right, some moves I've made, Like you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: the first off season, I go to Vegas and you
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: have a Vegas weekend the professional way, you know what
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, like living, living, living or lavishly.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: After your first one, you start thinking like, yeah, I
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: don't know how many more times I can go to Vegas.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing about again.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Hey, look I was thinking about the super Bowl being
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: because I'm like, yeah, I got one day. They getting
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: six hours out of me. I'm going I'm sure my
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: mama come with me.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: But literally I be like this.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like I'll be I'd be running things off, you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: off the fam. I'm like, hey, like, hey, bro, how
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: much you make a here? And I was like, hey,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: would you do this? And he'd be like, hey, that's crazy.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: If I hear like a hype response from him, yeah,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Like I use other people to ground me.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like I'm like, hey, Mom, like, oh yeah, I
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was thinking about you know, like.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: My secondar in league. I was like, I'm thinking about
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: this audi right. She's like, I don't even know what is.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I was like, Mama's one hundred eighty one hundred. I said, cool, okay,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: bring me back to life. Bring me back to life.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: You know, like you gotta have some some some sort
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: of browning situation.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you can get into the locker room and
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: you know, oh, keeping up with the Joneses, keeping up.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: With the Joneses. When you know your boy broke there
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: with the with the whatever that keys what big big
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: coming in.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: You're like, I had the same tie for eleven years
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and every year I'll be like, bro, like I'm two
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: models behind. I should I should go ahead? And that's
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: at some point why I rolled.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: It, Like what what iPhone do you have? Right now?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I have no clue what iPhone? I have no clueteen.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Fourteen, but it's got a crack in it, so the
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: fifteen is probably happening.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna happen. But like once you get it,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: it's just like we we upgrade because we can. But
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: then it's like, you know, you get to a point
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: where it's like man, oh, this is the same thing.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Until until the phones starts slowing down on me. I'm
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: used rocket for My rule is like every.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Two or three years, so like yeah, two or three yeah,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: but I got a crack in it, so like it's
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: gonna have to.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: It's sad because look, if you ask Cam ten years ago,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: his phone had a crack in and he was taking
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: it down to the place on the corner getting it
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: fixed by one of the one of the places for
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: sixty bucks. Now he just get a whole phone up.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Ain't you done? Changed up? Can changed up? You? Boo?
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Absolutely? Hey boom. There's some there's some things in life
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you don't fight. Come on, I feel like I feel
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: like that one.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Hey, traveling, traveling is that one thing for me? Like
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I may be tight, I mean a wad and a
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: lot of places in my life we travel. I'm here
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to sleep, the best eat. The best commercial.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: The best commercial I've ever seen was why save during
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: your travel when you can save on your travel? I
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I would never want to be that
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: guy to have to save during the travel. I was
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: a great commercial. I was a great commercial.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Was there is there any place that you've traveled so
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: far that you like? Dangne?
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I've done kind of my first year, I did like
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: a world tour. So I did, uh Dominican Republic first
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I did, and then I went to where I go Jamaica.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Then I went to Africa. I went to South Africa.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Then I went to Hawaii. Then I went to US.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I went to Botswana. It's the city I went to.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I flew into Johannesburg and then like we drove about
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: five hours to a small country probably only holds like
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I think a million people. It was called Botswana though,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: and we drove through they say the caves or the
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: mountains where the first remains of humans were found, so
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: literally like, yeah, the first people walked the earth, we
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: kind of drove past. So that was pretty dope. Uh.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: And then this year I'm going to Spain, going to
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: trying to put something together Nigeria. I just did my
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: DNA test found out I was Nigerian. So I'm gonna
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: try to go out there and uh and go get
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: some knowledge and some you know history. Spain, Yes, span Yeah,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I'm go to Barcelona. Yeah, I'm gona go to Barcelona,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: then go down to Uh. Uh, I'm gonna go to
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I'm flying to Paris, go to Barcelona, stay in Paris
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: for a couple of days, go to Barcelona and then uh,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: there's another place called something with an end, but it's
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: an island. Trying it my Mosque Modico.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: There's a few of them.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna just simply say add in San Sebastian. San Sebastian,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: it's right there by. If you finding in the France first, right,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: it's right there. It's a connection area of France and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Spain on the Yeah, what is the Poconos, Poconese whatever mountains,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: he's the worst. It's it's Basque country, but it's one
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: of the most beautiful spots that I think I've seen
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: the date, like think of think of a fire city
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: that meets like beach and whatever it is.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: It is beautiful.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Away Sebastian, Bill Bao San Sebastian. You gotta go to
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: a soccer game. It's this, Yeah, you gotta go check
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: you gotta check it out. Anyways, it's funny just to
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: hear you talking, like I've seen you talk before, you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: pre draft whatever that was going through. But it's like
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: you talk well beyond your years, bro, and even this year,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: it seems like you've become so sort of like a
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: vocal leader even.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: As a young kid.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Then I say kid, because you know, second year you
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: got to ten years, you got thirteen two. Hey bro,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: that's that's sort of happened to me. Bro, Like my
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: second third year the league, all the old heads got
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: sort of pushed out when to another team, got paid
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: whatever it was.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I looked around and I was like, from a rookie
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: to event, like was my life? You know what I'm saying?
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: Like eh like that.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: So you know you talk about you just being like
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: a vocal leader early on in this stage, is it
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: you know? The is it the factors that contribute to
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: that is like your willingness to be that to step
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: into it, because I mean you still had up until
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: halfway through the season, you had Linnl Williams, you got
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: sexy Dexi over there. You know, you got some old heads.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: But it seems like the more you talk, the more
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: you amped up. You came that spark for your defense.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: So you know, I would say, first, you know, when
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: it talks about leadership is position first based off of quarterback,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: running back, middle linebacker, safety, guys who you know kind
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: of are the focal points of the defense or of
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: the offense. So that's kind of the initial leadership role.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: And then Dexter Lawrence obviously, who's the biggest guy you
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: know in the room, right, it makes no you know
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: when a guy. But then it comes to play, right,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the big component that you learn
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: once you start to you you get into the league
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: that it's all about how much you contribute on the
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: field and if you're able to contribute on the field.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: So even my first year, like you know, you want
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: to lead guys, but if you ain't making plays anybody listening,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: that's the truth behind it. So then once you know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: the second year comes and now it's like, okay, I'm
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: more of an instrument in the defense. You know, a
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: couple guys leave, a couple guys get traded. Now it's
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: like there are voids that have to be filled in
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: a team chemistry standpoint. You know, that's when you have
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: to make that decision where you know, are you going
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: to be that guy to step in? You know, And
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: it's tough because people think leadership is something that you
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: can choose. You know, it's not really something you choose.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: It's something that your teammates kind of kind of revere
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: you as you know. So for me, I would say
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: that it was just learning how to be a leader.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: You know, you think you know how to lead until
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: it's time to lead, right, and you think you have
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: everything figured out or you think you know what you're
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: doing until you get in adverse situations. So for me
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: man first year, you know, I think it was just
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: understanding the landscape, understanding where I fit in, understand it,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: you know people. And then second year it was okay,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: how can I help my teammates be their best selves? Right?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: So you know, before every game, I'm asking Bobby, you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: my oft the linebacker. I'm like, what do you need
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: for me for you to play your best? What? What?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: What parts do you think I can support your vision,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: you know, as a leader of the team and be
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: a support on I.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Say, Bobby's last night because I've never tried.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, okay, okay, exactly that was a
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: good and I never heard Okay, okay, that's a good.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I like that. I like that. I'm gonna have to
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: take that back to it. Yeah okay, ok But He's
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: He's definitely a true leader, and I think, you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: when it comes to leadership, you have to kind of
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: emulate certain people. So I'm very blessed to have a
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: true leader, natural leader that I can you know, emulate
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: as far as off the field, as far as taking
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: care of your body, as far as watching film and
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: things like that to you know, continue to be a
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: vessel for other teammates, younger teammates coming in and things
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Facts. Man, Like I said, I love I love to
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: see the growth.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm looking forward to your year three. What
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: are you looking forward to it? And your three?
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Man? Honestly, I'm just I'm chasing these sacks. Man you know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: you know how that you know how that uns, but
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: you know how that feel to be to be in
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: the hunt. You know, it's it's it's a great feeling
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: because it's always a new challenge. But that's where I'm at.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: You know, obviously it's going in my third year. Third
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: years year for renegotiations if you're one of those guys, right,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: if you're one of the ones. So for me, you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Michael Strahan said one great thing to me, seriously, he
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: said one great to me. Think to me when I
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: got in the lead. He said, you know, it's easy
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: to be one of the eleven guys on the field,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: but you want to be the one out of the eleven.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: And that's that, that's that difference. So that's kind of
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: what I'm working on this year.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Shout out, Mike, Come on, Mike, Mike, friend that money.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Man, Mike straight ahead. Definitely he's a grow up. Watching
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: that man, I was like, I want to be like him.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And then I realized, I was like, man, I'm too eighty.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Five, and this is even so, this is even surreal
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: because I was looking at you like that. Now we're
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: sitting here on the podcast, were sitting here in the
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: league together and though for real, it's amazing. I remember
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: you were talking about it was one. It was really
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: you and von Miller are two guys that I've always
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: looked at, just on a vocal standpoint of people who
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: you know are going to give their tips in pass rush.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: But you talk about you know, I think you said
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: you had something where you like, if you do if
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: you go fast with bad technique, you're okay. If you
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: go fast with good technique, you're doing great. But if
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: you go slow with bad technique, you're gonna be on
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: the bench somewhere. You said something like that, and that
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: stuck with me Like that, that stuck with me. That
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: was something that that I've taken. And then you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: obviously there there are gems that other, you know, guys
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: like you have been dropping, and it's just up to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the younger guys to keep you know, using those gems
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: and implement them into your game.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm trying to tell you.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Look, I learned I learned that one early earlier the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: your thing because my rookie year, I was out there
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: like all right, well I got to play the run.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I gotta have this technique. But if you move slow
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: even if it's the right answer, you're wrong.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Don't matter, you're wrong.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: But if you move fast and you'd be like you
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: it's a b and you missed the wrong one, you
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: can still be in a right spot.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: And you think about a guy like you think about
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: a guy like Max Crosby, and you know he's a
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: guy who right now is the epitome of you. Just
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: do it hard, do it fast. Everything's gonna work out.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: He has This is no not to him. He has
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: one move. That swipe is the most dangerous move I've
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: ever seen a human. Dude.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: He's got to counterspin too. His his swipe is stupid.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: But how many guys are gonna keep getting got with
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the swipe?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: How many guys are gonna keep getting got with the
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: long arm? How many guys gonna keep getting got with
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: a swim? Look, when you perfect your craft, it doesn't
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: matter about them. I said this early and often, an
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: office a lineman is just office a lineman. I'm now
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: rushing against the quarterback because I need to know how
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: fast he's releasing the ball because off the lineman their cattle.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be strong. There's gonna be strong ones.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: But whatever I never swiped till I saw Max Crosby
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: get like thirteen sacks off all swipes. Then I was like,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: you know what, I was like, something I need to
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: figure out. I gotta figure it out. And then he
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: just plays hard. Man. When you play hard and you
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: play every snap, dude, you reap the benefits of it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I was hoping you're going to say, hey, I'm
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: evolving to a killer run stopper, but.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: You know what, I get it age that's the no, no, no, see,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: don't overlook the run. That is the difference to me
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: between a lot of pass rushers out there and let's
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: say four down football players. I told myself and I
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: came in sleep, I'm be a four down guy. I'm
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: not the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, not the
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: strongest guy, but I'm going to be trustworthy on first
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: down all the way to fourth. So when you talk
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: about run stop and you talk about things like that,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: like that's you can't even rush the passer unless you
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: set in edge.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: You got, I'm like, hey, I'll be waiting for the
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: move on my way. In fact, y'all think I was.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I think I was damaged by then the whole Hiko
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Aloyd goes like, all I could do is stop the run.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Look, look the cold the coldest thing is when you
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: see guys like and to me, I was. I came
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: out of a system in college where it was like
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: there was no jumping around blocks to make a play right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: And it's like when you're in the league, though, it's like,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: you know, you almost get frustrated a little bit because
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: it's like, Yo, all these guys are making these tackles
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: for losses and they're jumping.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Around blocks, and I've been a sea gap and here
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: you are.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I'm like, but and it's like me, you will, you
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: take it, you make it. And it's like you start
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: to realize that when you are a guy who has
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the instinct and you have the trust within your coaches,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: it's like you gotta go play big and make big plays.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: And you know, I always think of a guy like
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: t J. Watts. TJ wat go to the casino one
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: time you go, you TJ Wyt get twenty sacks and
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: he's gonna get ten tackles for losses because he gonna
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: jump them. He's gonna take it, he gonna he gonna
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: play his game, and it's amazing.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: He knows his body type, and he's like, look, what
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not here gonna do is is set the edge
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: every time against somebody who outweys me by eighty to
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: ninety bounds. But what I can do is give you
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: all this movement. Oh, I can shoot up the field.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Oh and now you now you're nervous, and now I'm underneath.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: And he also has got huge interior y linement like
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: across the board. But you know, but shoot, I appreciate you, bro.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna wrap this up real quick. Bro, I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: you tapping in with with with me on my podcast
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  Speaker 2: Off the Edge. Bro, I see nothing but great things
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  Speaker 2: going for you. So you know, if you have eleven
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: sacks this year, but I try and tell people, don't
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: worry about the sacks. Worry about your process because the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: sacks are going to come. And I mean your process.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: You already built the process. So just keep on believing
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: and keep on striving for greatness.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for having me. I appreciate you, bro.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Man appreciate my guy Caveon coming on the pod, you know,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: blessing us with his personality.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
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  Speaker 2: I think that you know, as a young bull, he
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: out there sort of leading to charge him. Guys like
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchinson, these young talented past rushers, uh you know
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Nick Bose, I guess still technically young, Chase Young. The
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: league is in good hands right now, you know, George
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: call offtic but beyond just being a pass rusher, it's
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: it's great to see their personality off the field. And
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: so at this point, you know, speaking of off the field,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I want to go through, you know, a New Orleans
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: current event that's definitely heavy on my mind and my heart.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna get We're gonna we're gonna talk about
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  Speaker 2: what happened between you know, New Orleans Saints New Orleans
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  Speaker 2: this week with my guy Will Smith's shooter Cardelles. Earlier
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: this last week, a guy by the name of Cardele
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  Speaker 2: Cardel Hayes, a New Orleanian who murdered teammate Will Smith
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: of mine years back, was given a verdict reached upon
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: by the jury where you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, he was sentenced to what is it, up to
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: forty years in jail.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he shot somebody in the back eight times.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was a road rage incident gone wrong,
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  Speaker 2: and it destroyed multiple families. You figure Will Smith's side.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he had he left the world too soon
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  Speaker 2: in his thirties, left the wife, you know, left three kids.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's three kids that are growing up with
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: that the father. Because a man got upset that he
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: thought he was tapped in the back, or maybe he
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: was tapped in the back, but either way, it was
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: an incident that just went awry.
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  Speaker 1: If you guys don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Will Smith was a defensive en former of the New
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  Speaker 2: Orleans Saints for nine seasons I do believe then I
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: think a ten season maybe with the Patriots, and was
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: my og when I first came in. Somewhere in there
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: in his retirement, you know, he had an accident that
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: happened in the night, him, his wife, two other people
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: in a car bumped into possibly bumped into that. I
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: think that's what the main action was was Cardil Hayes
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: had felt like Will Smith had tapped into his car
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: some long lines seen tape video, whatever it is, but
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: didn't address it properly, and Cardille Hayes.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Goes off into a chase after will Smith.
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  Speaker 2: They then somewhere catch up to each other because there's
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: an altercation that happens. Words are said, Will Smith is
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: going back to his car. Cardil Hayes says he was
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: fearing for his life and shot this, you know, shot
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  Speaker 2: at my teammate and then his back eight times, ended
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  Speaker 2: up shooting the wife time or two. Just messy on
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: all accounts, and you try not to be affected by it,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: but you always are. I mean, somebodys in their thirties
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: to be murdered out in the streets of New Orleans
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: and what I'm sure one side will say is self
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: defense somehow and the other side would say murder. And
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: how you can only pray that God sorts it all
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: out at the end of the day, because that's that's
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: that's a that's a deal. I mean, shout out to
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Smith family for being rock solid. You know, I think,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think you know, the oldest son, Will Smith Junior,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: is over at Ohio State as a d lineman, following
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: his father's footsteps. You know, Winter is young button kid
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: in high school?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Daughter? Is she like a senior now?
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Like the whole family's grown, Like we've witnessed these kids
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  Speaker 2: grow up for real, for real, so I know that
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  Speaker 2: they're affected. And then of course Cardell Hayes is the
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: New Orleanians who had tried out for the Saints. So
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: for him to you know, say he didn't know who
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: will Smith was. Yeah, all right, now say the New
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Orleans lives breeze and eats and sleeps and drinks football,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: he knew who he was. But you know that's neither
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: here nor they're the altercation leveled up to a whole
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: other spot, you know. So his family's affected, of course,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I think he has some kids. He's clearly
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: got outspoken, you know, family relatives that are fighting for
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: is just for for his side.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Where there's going to be hurt.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: There's always gonna be people who think they're on the
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: right side or whatever it is. Again, I'm gonna leave
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: that that to the jury and the Jesus to figure
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: that one out because I do not know the intricate
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: delicacies of that one.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: And that's our show man. I appreciate y'all for.
• 47:05
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• 47:08
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• 47:14
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• 47:18
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• 47:22
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• 47:24
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