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Extra Innings Episode 5- Jake of Wax Pack Wisdom and Matt From Providence · Sports Card Clubhouse

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  Welcome to Extra Innings on the sports Card clubhouse with the
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  hit list, Jake, and that's Matt. What's going on, Matt?
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  From Providence, I mean, come on.
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  Providence, MO. You were.
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  Matthew, you've been. Matthew, you've been.
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  Matt from Providence, you've been.
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  Yes, we're here. I'm not sure exactly when you're
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  going to hear this. I know that the The Odd Couple
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  will be making their extra innings debut.
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  It's nice to can't. Believe we got.
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  Bumped other duos in the stable I.
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  Thought we were doing a good job.
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  We are doing a good job. They're going to keep they're,
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  we're going to keep keep being on there.
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  It's just, it's a big tent. It's a big there's.
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  It's that southern Texas drawl he's got.
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  Texas. That was Matt who said that, by
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  the way. I.
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  Always say that. I always say Texas.
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  Oh boy. All right, well, I we got some
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  stuff to talk about. I have an, I have another
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  hypothetical format and this is, I promise that this is more of
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  a, this will be less of a, of a strange hypothetical, like half
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  real, half not hypothetical that we've done on the hit list in
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  the past. The question I'm going to ask
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  Matt, and I'm going to ask the question 1st and then I'm going
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  to kind of set up the situation that I'm thinking about is, is
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  it ever OK to trim a card? Now this we're not just talking
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  about and we can get into like altering cards, but trimming
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  cards. I'm just curious about your
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  thoughts. So let me set this up.
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  There's a card that I'm interested in buying.
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  And again, I'm, I'm, I'm not going to say what the card is
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  exactly because I don't want other people to want, it's a,
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  it's a bit of a rare card and I don't want other people to like
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  know what it is 'cause I don't want other people to buy it.
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  Just being selfish. So it's a, it's a strip card
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  from the 20s that I'm interested in buying.
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  I'm not usually a strip card guy, but this is one that I
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  really like and that I think is interesting.
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  This is one that's on eBay right now that's in APSA authentic
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  slab. And the issue with the and it's,
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  it's a card that I think I can get at a decent price.
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  And the reason why is because it was cut very strangely from the
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  strip. Basically there's like it's,
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  it's jagged the, the way that the card was cut.
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  Like basically there's part that juts out where you see the line
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  and then there's more on the outside of the line and then it
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  cuts juts back in like into the actual card itself and then juts
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  back out. And it it does that on both
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  sides, like on the other side too, it's jagged, cuts out.
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  You see the outside of the line where you would cut it and it
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  comes back like into the card. My thought was that if I buy
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  this card, I would crack it out of the slab and in order to get
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  it to either fit better because right now it's in the PSA slab
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  that like it, it's floating around, it's in the baggie.
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  It like floats around. It looks bad, looks terrible.
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  My thought was I buy the card, I crack it out and I cut the
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  outside. Like I basically cut along where
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  you can still see the lines on the card to get it to get it
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  into at again, because it's still going to be jagged because
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  the because it is like cut inside the normal part of the
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  card. But at least that way if I cut,
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  if I cut off the sides of it, it would fit nicely in a nice and
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  this is not a paid advertisement, but a nice one of
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  those nice penny sleever magnetic holders that has that
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  can fit like the smaller pre war cards like a tobacco card or
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  that kind of thing. Or I could possibly send it to
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  SGC. Now here's the thing.
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  It would still get authentic. It would not change the grade of
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  the card. It would still be authentic
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  because of the fact that part of the actual card inside the line
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  is missing. The thing is, is that it would
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  improve the I appeal of the card to me.
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  And again, this my long term plan would be not to sell it,
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  but I would I would keep it. I would hold it.
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  So my question to you is, is anything I've outlined to you
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  unethical? No, but there's still problems,
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  you know. So because because someone
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  outside of your family, someday outside of my family is going to
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  inherit my collection, they're not going to know the info on
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  this card. And someday someone will receive
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  the card and they won't know that you altered it more or
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  altered it or, and then another thing.
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  So you you're going to take a car that's been altered and
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  you're going to alter it more, but the same category, right?
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  So you're going to take a trimmed card, trim it more, no
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  problem, right? What about if you take a trimmed
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  card and you're? Yeah, you're holding.
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  It crack it out trimmed card right now.
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  I'm I'm sorry. Yeah.
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  So you're able to holding a a a portrait Walter Johnson T2O6
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  trimmed, I assume trimmed. Now if I take crack this card
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  out and I clean it now do we have a problem?
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  Yeah. That's where it gets strange for
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  me. Can I trim an already trimmed
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  card? Can I clean a trimmed card?
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  Can I clean a cleaned card? Lot of questions.
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  I I don't know if I'm the right one to ask, but like it becomes
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  a problem. It becomes a problem.
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  I think you can probably trim a trimmed card.
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  Yeah, you can get it that that where like that just treads.
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  And if you're 100% morally correct after that, I don't
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  know. Yeah, inherently, like a strip
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  card is a, a card that is unless it's if it's not part of the
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  panel, it. Was made to.
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  Be cut. It was made to be cut.
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  Same thing as a same thing as like a posterior card or a
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  Wheaties card like that. Let me ask a question So so I
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  think I know the answer, but you know, let's say someone does a,
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  takes a hand cut from the 20s, cuts it out, cuts you outside of
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  the line. Now, is it OK for you to cut it
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  to the right size and then send it for grading?
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  I don't know is there a time? Stamp.
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  Is there a time stamp on when the card can be cut to its
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  proper size? Yeah.
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  You know what I mean? These are.
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  These are great questions. Like honestly, it's like, what
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  is the, what's the line like? What is the ethical line like
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  because. Of that I mean that's kind of a
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  thing that Bill Mastro says about the T2 O 6 Wagner was that
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  someone cut it from an uncut sheet which is a no no I know
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  that and then he and then cut it too big so he cut it to the
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  right size and it's like there isn't you know there's a few a
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  bunch of moral quandaries with him involved but but yeah it's
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  it's interesting trimming A trimmed card or.
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  Yeah, yeah, I had at the National this past year.
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  I bought a blue tint Ted Williams 1948 blue tint in like
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  AI think it's an SGC 2 is mine and the guy that I was buying
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  those. So those were basically strip
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  cards too. Like those I guess came from a,
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  from a, you know, they came from a, a long strip and you'd cut
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  out the cards, whatever. And this one had like, I don't
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  know how SGC, like how the grading companies figure the
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  grades for those 'cause this one does have, it does have like all
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  the lines, like you can see all of it.
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  And it, it's still got a 2. And the guy that I bought it
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  from was like, you know, I've seen people crack these out and
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  like 1 like this, I've seen people crack out a card like
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  this. They can, they, they trim it
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  more and they can get a 7. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm not
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  doing that. You know, like it's, it's, it's
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  wild. It's crazy to me that like that
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  is and I think there's some people that I feel like think
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  that's completely normal. And that's.
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  Completely OK and and that. The way I think a lot of things
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  are OK that aren't OK the way. The way that that guy was
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  talking about it made it sound like he's like, Oh yeah, why
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  wouldn't you do that? And I'm.
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  Like, well, yeah, because remember, a lot of people in
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  this hobby are just looking at it for money or you could make
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  more money, so let's do it. They don't care about the the
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  rest. They don't care about the rest.
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  They don't care that the next guy or the third guy from now
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  that owns this card, you know, doesn't know that it's, you
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  know, trims or this or that or. So I think that, yeah, it's
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  always this line of like what is OK to do to a card and what's
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  not OK to do. I think we've talked about it on
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  the hit list before about we talked recently, we've talked
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  recently about, you know, generally speaking, if you get a
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  card, if you get a card back that's graded, that's authentic
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  altered, you know, you're not going to get a full explanation,
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  but odds are probably that card was was soaked, that card was,
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  that card was probably cleaned. Right, that's.
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  Exactly right. And, you know, is that wrong?
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  I I don't know, like I think, I guess in the eyes of the grading
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  companies, some of them say that yes, it is like apparently PSA,
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  like if they they find out they there was this whole story about
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  like a guy bragged about cleaning a card and then PSA
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  found out about it and they canceled the search on the card.
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  So it it is you can get in, in, in or like in quote UN quote
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  trouble for it. Hobby trouble.
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  Yeah, hobby trouble. But you know, is it bad to do
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  the pantyhose trick on cards? You know, is it bad, you know,
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  is, is that wrong? I've, I've done that, you know,
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  and not not necessarily even for something that I was gonna sell,
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  but just like I just, you know, there's clearly there's wax and
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  dirt and gunk on this card and I'm just gonna like just gonna
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  take a little, take a little. From what I understand, that's
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  OK. Yeah, yeah.
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  Who made that rule by the? Way but that I don't know was
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  that Levi seven O 7 cards is that did he did he come like I'm
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  just thinking of some OG Bill Mastro did they decide that it
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  was OK do. That Brian Gray.
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  Brian Gray. Yeah, I don't know.
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  These are good questions. I'm just curious about what
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  people think like if you're able to leave a comment on on YouTube
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  or I know that podcast is maybe a little bit tougher, but just
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  let us know what you think. Like I'm, I'm very curious about
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  where is the line for people Is it is, is ever altering a card
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  in any way, OK Or are there certain things that you that you
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  can do that are fine? So, so going back, go ahead.
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  Now let's say you crack out an altered card.
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  You alter it further. Yeah.
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  You send it out to get encapsulated.
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  It comes back with a number. Do you send that card to bottles
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  and ball cards? It always comes back.
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  It always comes back to the overgrading do.
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  You let him handle what needs to be done from there?
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  Do you send it back yourself or on the checklist?
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  Do you put like authentic only? Are you that morally like I
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  would imagine you can just click.
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  I would never trim a trim card like you, but yeah for you.
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  So you're so you're feeling so going back, I was going to ask
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  you going back to my original hypothetical, you think that
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  that's you think that what I described is is not that I
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  shouldn't do that or that like you wouldn't do that.
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  No, no, I think it's OK. OK, all right, the the.
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  I think we should. I think we should reach out to
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  the BIC podcast and see if we can get bottles and ball cards
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  on so we can ask him. OK, All right, we can.
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  Yeah, we'll, we'll find. Things in the ball.
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  Though Carlos. Carlos, let us know.
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  No, I would say I think, I think you can trim a trimmed card
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  better because once it's trims it's trimmed.
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  But if you can't send it for a number grade.
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  Right. No.
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  Yeah, that's authentic only. That's a good, that's a good
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  idea. Is that if I was to send that in
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  to get re hold to get holded by SGC or different grading company
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  I would just ask them to authenticate it and not give it
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  to them? I think that's fine.
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  I think so too, but again, the only the only thing that is like
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  giving me pause is the fact that in my view I would be improving
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  the I appeal of the card artificially.
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  But and does that improve? Does that?
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  Is that me improving? But it goes back to.
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  This like. We're opening up the Pandora's
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  box of like, how is that different than me cracking a
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  card from SGC and sending it to PSA because that's, it could
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  possible if it gets the same grade, it's going to have higher
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  value. Or this whole I appeal sticker
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  thing that everyone's been talking about that's bumping up
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  the value of the card too. So like, again, it goes back.
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  Where's that line? The problem too is look on this
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  card, I'm holding up the Walter Johnson Portugal.
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  The problem is on a card is let's say this card just
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  authentic. We assume it's trimmed, but
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  we're just asking a third party. We don't know, you know, and he
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  might be that person might be wrong.
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  They get grades wrong all the time.
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  They get authenticity wrong all the time.
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  That person might be wrong, you know.
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  So there is that, that problem with grading.
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  But if you intentionally try to pull the wool, that's no good.
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  Yeah, I agree. All right, well, interesting
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  discussion. Again, let us know below what
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  you think about this and if you feel like I'm a terrible person
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  for even suggesting this or if, if if it's OK.
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  Let us know what you think. We appreciate your thoughts.
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  Always. All right, always.
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  Anything else, Matt? That's it.
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  We're just gonna. That's it.
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  That's it. That's the end, That's the end.
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  We got bumped and we're gonna go short.
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  This isn't good. This is a we're up in 13
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  minutes. We try to shoot for like 15 to.
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  50 Is that what it is? Yeah, well, close enough.
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  All right, all right. Well, what?
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  Are we saying Matt? Sad.
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  Like comment, subscribe and collect.
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  I just think, I think it was a short shot.
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  I think we could have we could have brought more to the table
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  today. I think, you know, you had a
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  rough show last time and I think I might have I might have let us
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  down this week. I really got us through because
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  I had some great cards. Yes, check out this lean.
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  This leans more audio. So we got to we got to be
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  better. We got to be better.
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  I think it was fine. Let's let the people decide, all
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  right? All right.
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  Like, comment, subscribe and collect.