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Patriots Catch-22 8/14: Joint Practice Reaction, Three Up/Down, Previewing Preseason Game No. 2 · Patriots Catch-22

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.
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Speaker 2: I feel like Chad Ryland's been better than Joey Slide.
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Speaker 1: He I wouldn't say that it's close. He has one
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Speaker 1: more make but sly hit of a live kick with
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Speaker 1: fifty seven yard of a one on.
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Speaker 2: I had the kickers overalls the down it really Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And so you still think this is an issue, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's I put Chad Ryland on here just to mess
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Speaker 2: with you. I'm not talking about it. I don't.
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Speaker 1: So you didn't watch the kickers, You're just.
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Speaker 2: Going not even one bit no kicking yesterday and the
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Speaker 2: joint practices.
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Speaker 1: So we can't with nothing in the last two days.
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Speaker 2: Nothing the last two day. Oh yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we can't critique the kickers from yesterday's joint practice with
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Speaker 2: the Eagles. We are are We have other things to
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Speaker 2: We're obviously going to talk about yesterday's joint practice. We'll
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Speaker 2: get a little bit more into tomorrow night's preseason game
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Speaker 2: against the Philadelphia Eagles as well. Do three up, three down.
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Speaker 2: just give me a second to get something off mych here.
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Speaker 1: Go for it.
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Speaker 2: You know how I do this, right? Yeah, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: here's my opening monologue, my opening take of the show
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Speaker 2: about yesterday's practice for the Patriots offense. I would love
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Speaker 2: to come in here and just let it roll off
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Speaker 2: and just say, you know what, the Eagles, I look
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Speaker 2: this up. They are right now in some places have
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Speaker 2: the third best odds to win the Super Bowl this year,
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Speaker 2: third best odds in the league behind the Chiefs and
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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers to win the Super Bowl. The
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Speaker 2: Patriots are in that conversation, but for the number one
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Speaker 2: overall pick right there on the other side of the spectrum.
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Speaker 2: So there's a part of me that doesn't want to
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Speaker 2: completely kill them for what happened yesterday, because this is
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Speaker 2: two teams that are moving in very very different directions
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Speaker 2: and are in very very different places and their roster development.
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Speaker 2: The Eagles came into this practice yesterday and my first
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Speaker 2: thought as these teams were running onto the field is like,
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Speaker 2: there's Jalen Hurts, There's Aj Brown, There's Devonte Smith, Jordan Davis,
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Speaker 2: There's Saquon Bark Jordan Davis, there's Jalen Carter. Like you know,
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Speaker 2: there's all these studs on that side of the football,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, the Patriots just don't match up well
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Speaker 2: against this team. This is a team that is very
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Speaker 2: very good against a team that's rebuilding, and there's definitely
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Speaker 2: some truth to that, but I can't completely let it go,
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Speaker 2: like I can't completely sure let the Patriots off the
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Speaker 2: hook that easily. And I also want to just put
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Speaker 2: the caveat on this by saying, this does not necessarily
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Speaker 2: mean that Drake may is going to be a bust
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Speaker 2: and Rod Mayo is going to be out of a
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Speaker 2: job in two years and all of this is terrible,
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Speaker 2: right and gonna go up in flames. It's one day.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily mean anything about the long term future
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Speaker 2: of what they're doing here. With that being said, I
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Speaker 2: want to read a few stats from you from the
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Speaker 2: charting that I did to practice yesterday, just to set
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Speaker 2: the scene what this was like for the Patriots offense yesterday,
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Speaker 2: which frankly was a bleep show, an absolute bleep show
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Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the football. And we've seen
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Speaker 2: some bad offense in summers. I don't love comparing because
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Speaker 2: it's hard, it's hard to get, but.
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Speaker 1: I gotta ask this. I don't know yesterday wasn't good.
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Speaker 1: There were days in twenty two that felt worse to me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree, but this is yesterday was worse
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Speaker 2: than anything we saw last year. Yeah, I would agree.
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Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about after the show. Duce and
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Speaker 2: I were in Green Bay last year for the joint practices,
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Speaker 2: and we mentioned to each other, like, where this didn't
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Speaker 2: feel this bad in green Bay?
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Speaker 1: Green Bay last year was like encouraging pretty much.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially on one of the days. It feels like
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Speaker 2: it felt like the Patriots were able to the offense
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Speaker 2: was able to make some plays down the field. You know,
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Speaker 2: DeVante Parker over Russell Douglas I think was like the
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Speaker 2: big play in that late portion of practice when it
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Speaker 2: was like full team will been on eleven.
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 2: Anyways, anyways, here's some numbers for you. Give me numbers, Drake,
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Speaker 2: I almost said mac Jones because we're just talking about it.
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Speaker 2: Drake May and Jacoby Brissett drop back to pass forty
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Speaker 2: two times in practice yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Hang on, let me let me run this through the buttons.
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Speaker 2: Okay, forty two times. Yeah, they were sacked fourteen times.
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Speaker 2: Fourteen times.
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Speaker 1: You want the percentage on that, it's about a third, right,
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Speaker 1: it's exactly a third? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's also from
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Speaker 1: what I've seen that that number might be conservative compared
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Speaker 1: to some of the other numbers I've seen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had fourteen. I practice, sacks are always
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Speaker 2: a gray area. Yeah right, you're not tackling the quarterback
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Speaker 2: to the ground. So who knows if everybody greats them differently,
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Speaker 2: or Jacoby Brissett would squeak out or whatever. I had
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Speaker 2: fourteen Jacoby Brissett. Now both Now, one of them was
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Speaker 2: his fault, one of them wasn't.
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Speaker 1: And just for the record, for reference, the highest sack
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Speaker 1: rate in the league last year is just over eight percent.
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Speaker 1: The Jets in Miami were tied.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacoby Brissett. One was his fault, one wasn't. Okay,
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Speaker 2: two interceptions on twenty four passes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those definitely not his fault. He hit
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Speaker 1: Austin Hooper right between the numbers. Austin Hooper caught it
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Speaker 1: like caught the ball. And then was it Nolan Davis
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Speaker 1: that hit him, not Nola Day's Nolan Smith. I think
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Speaker 1: that hit him and he just went right up in
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Speaker 1: the air. And I'm not blaming the safety. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: matter no he threw it. I'm just describing the play
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Speaker 1: so people understand what you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Okay, this is the maybe the worst part to me
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Speaker 2: and imagine being worse than fourteen sacks on forty two
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Speaker 2: drop ACKs.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually don't know what you're gonna say here.
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Speaker 2: Nine penalties? Oh yeah, yeah, nine penalties?
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Speaker 1: Was it? There were three or four false starts.
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Speaker 2: Get false starts?
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Speaker 1: They had an ineligible man downfields and eligible jayvon Baker
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Speaker 1: and OPI.
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Speaker 2: Looked like a legal hands to the facer face mask
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Speaker 2: or something like that on one of the blockers.
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Speaker 1: I just remember four like there was flags ever see
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Speaker 1: dull penalties.
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Speaker 2: There was flags everywhere, and some of it, yes, was procedural,
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Speaker 2: to the point where.
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Speaker 1: No, the procedural stuff I worry more about, yeah than
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Speaker 1: the other stuff.
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Speaker 2: To the point where Gerrod Mayo at one point went
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Speaker 2: over to Alex van Pelt with his hands up in
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Speaker 2: the air like this, like what are we doing? Because
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Speaker 2: they couldn't they just like couldn't even get plays.
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Speaker 1: Off Shanhanshry Okay.
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Speaker 2: Then they also had three botch snaps exchanges, right, you know,
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Speaker 2: whether the ball just was a bad snap and the
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Speaker 2: ball just hit the ground immediately. And then there was
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Speaker 2: one with Jacoby Brissett where I think he was trying
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Speaker 2: to hand the ball off to Pop Douglas on the
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Speaker 2: Jets sweep and the ball hit the ground. Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: he had to just dive on it like a grade
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Speaker 2: and just yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think that was the case of being sped up
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Speaker 1: because the way the offensive line was looking. I don't
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Speaker 1: think he was sure he was going to have time
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Speaker 1: to hand that ball off. So fourteen sacks, yeah, two picks, yeap,
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Speaker 1: nine penalties, three botch snaps? Wait, fourteen plus two plus
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Speaker 1: nine plus five? Right?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Okay, on how many snaps?
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Speaker 2: Forty two dropbacks?
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Speaker 1: Right, so you've encounted for thirty so far.
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Speaker 2: Correct. Then here was Drake May's last two minute. And
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Speaker 2: this this part really gets into all that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: Is just like, Okay, you had a bad day, you
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Speaker 2: were playing a really good team in practice, and you
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Speaker 2: got your butts kicked. All right, it happens. Okay, this
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Speaker 2: is the part where it starts to I get to
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Speaker 2: the point where these things are going to irk me
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Speaker 2: like that. Now I'm mad. Now, now I'm mad. Drake
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Speaker 2: May's final two minute in yesterday's practice, they put him
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Speaker 2: back out there on the field with the twos with
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Speaker 2: Antonio Mafi at center against the Eagles, starting defense, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: what are we trying to accomplish with that? So he
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Speaker 2: goes sacked by Nolan Smith, who goes right around Calvin
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Speaker 2: Anderson at left tackle for like at second two point
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Speaker 2: four seconds or something. Ridiculous sack by team. I wrote
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Speaker 2: team because there was multiple eagles in the backfield that
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Speaker 2: I'm not actually one hundred percent sure who.
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Speaker 1: Touched the team meeting at the quarterback.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, complete pocket collapse.
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Speaker 1: Couple of those, but a couple of those yesterday.
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Speaker 2: But an incomplete pass on a comeback round to Kaishan
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Speaker 2: Body that stood no chance. He threw the ball, you
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Speaker 2: know it was. It was wide right, but Kaishan Budi
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Speaker 2: was covered. The ball had to come out instantly. At
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Speaker 2: this point he sped up.
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Speaker 1: He put it well, I know, talking about the one
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Speaker 1: he put like well into the sideline. Yeah, yeah, that
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Speaker 1: was I call it a throwaway.
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Speaker 2: It was. It was borderline throwaway.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a throwaway. I actually didn't even
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Speaker 1: think it was a target.
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Speaker 2: And then on the last play for Drake Mason, right
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Speaker 2: now he's over three.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, on the last.
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Speaker 2: Play he goes four and out, Nikobe Dean comes in
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Speaker 2: up the middle, blows up the running back on the
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Speaker 2: way to the quarterback and sack.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So we have three sacks and four play span and
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Speaker 2: one incomplete pass against the Eagles starting defense against the
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Speaker 2: Patriots twos, which I still don't really understand. Why what
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Speaker 2: the point of that is. So my guess where I'm
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Speaker 2: getting at with this is, first of all, you know,
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Speaker 2: I have to be innocent till proven guilty. I have
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Speaker 2: to give them the benefit of the doubt, the coaching staff,
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Speaker 2: the front office that I can't come on this show
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Speaker 2: in May. Yeah, already screaming about the offensive line before.
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Speaker 2: I did that for both of us, before the pads come.
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Speaker 2: I can't.
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Speaker 1: I'm not in a position to do that. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: have to watch it first.
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Speaker 2: I have to give them that courtesy that let's put
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Speaker 2: the pads on, let's see what it looks like.
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Speaker 1: I usually too, I usually do that too. That's how worried.
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Speaker 2: Okay, at this point, if you do, you want the truth,
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Speaker 2: the truth is I'm ordering the code read. This is
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Speaker 2: Defcon five. This is they need to get into a
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Speaker 2: meeting room with the offensive coaching staff and all of
10:42
Speaker 2: them need to have a coming to Jesus about what
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Speaker 2: the heck they're doing. Up front. They can't block anybody. Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's the starting point. Vederian Low at left tackle is
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Speaker 2: not working. It's not working. The line looked like it
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Speaker 2: was making some early signs of hope, progress, whatever you
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Speaker 2: want to call it. When they have Caden Wallace up
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Speaker 2: with the top group at left tackle and Chooks a
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Speaker 2: Corf on the right side. That was two weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: Now it was like twelve practices ago or something like that.
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Speaker 2: They they haven't gone back to it. They they don't
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Speaker 2: seem to want to go whatever the case may be.
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Speaker 2: They don't want to go back to it. But Darien
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Speaker 2: the left tackle is not working. They need to move
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Speaker 2: away from that. Uh you finish your point. Sorry, No,
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Speaker 2: it's okay. I would also say that the one silver
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Speaker 2: lining or bright spot on the line so far has
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Speaker 2: been Laden Robinson, who I think has been decent. It
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Speaker 2: was good in the game last week on Thursday Night.
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Speaker 1: Well what about Mike on win?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm talking about guys that you're not like
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Speaker 2: expecting to.
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Speaker 1: Carry on to surprise, So not the typical starters.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like I can't worry about David Andrews and
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Speaker 2: Mike on Win right now, right, right? Okay, So the
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Speaker 2: way I look at it, they're at they're at red alert,
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Speaker 2: they're at def Con five. They need to do something upfront.
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Speaker 2: They either need to sign somebody off the street like
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Speaker 2: a Donovan Smith and see and roll with that and
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Speaker 2: see if that works. Or they need to move it
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Speaker 2: around right, they need to reconfigure.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: So there's a couple of ways they could do it.
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Speaker 2: Maybe Leyden Robinson goes into the starting lineup and Mike
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Speaker 2: on wen who goes back out to right tackle and
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Speaker 2: choofs the core force flips back to left tackle. Maybe
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Speaker 2: you just elevate Caden Wallace up to the top group
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Speaker 2: again and he is at left tackle and everybody else
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Speaker 2: stays the same. But something has to change. You cannot
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Speaker 2: have Vedarian Lowe as a starting left tackle for this
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Speaker 2: team in week one. Yeah, and I'm not trying to
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Speaker 2: like single him out and like pick on him necessarily,
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Speaker 2: but it just the five guys that they're rolling with
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Speaker 2: right now, the combination doesn't work and four out of
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Speaker 2: five of them need to play because that's that's the plan.
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Speaker 1: Well, let me let me put it this way. It's
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Speaker 1: not to pick on on Darren Lowe. He shouldn't be
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Speaker 1: in this spot, right. He's not an NFL starter. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and what you're seeing on the field is just confirmation
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Speaker 1: of that. I don't think anybody was expecting to be
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Speaker 1: This isn't They're not in this spot because players are
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Speaker 1: underperforming compared to expectations. They're in this spot because players
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Speaker 1: are performing the same way they've always played with. The
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Speaker 1: tape tells us all of them, and that's there's good
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Speaker 1: and bad to that, but that's why they're in the spot.
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Speaker 1: So I do think they should change something, yea. I
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Speaker 1: you know, Mike ohen Went who out to tackle is interesting.
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Speaker 1: I do wonder if they like the group on the
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Speaker 1: interior right now and don't want to start moving pieces.
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Speaker 1: And I was on with Taylor Kyles this morning and
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Speaker 1: he brought this up, and this is something you've talked about.
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Speaker 1: Mike go and Went, who was a good tackle, but
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Speaker 1: he's a great guard. Would you agree with that assessment?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: So do they if they move Michael and Went into tackle?
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Speaker 1: Do they have any great offensive linemen?
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Speaker 2: Probably not, but it still might be the most stable,
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Speaker 2: So I know, but I wonder if it's not like
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Speaker 2: a five man.
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Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, I just wonder if that
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Speaker 1: plays into the equation. No, I think I'm knowing you
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Speaker 1: have an anchor.
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Speaker 2: What plays into the equation is that they are looking
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Speaker 2: at it and saying andrews. So that is a stagmos
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Speaker 2: of that too, like, Okay, we got the interior to work,
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Speaker 2: let's not touch that because the last thing you need
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Speaker 2: is to move Michael and winnow outside. It's a little
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Speaker 2: bit of a process for him to get back at
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Speaker 2: it at right tackle. And also maybe Leyden Robinson as
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Speaker 2: a rookie doesn't take the step with the top unit.
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Speaker 1: You think, now now it's a real fire drill. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that would happen, but I think that's
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Speaker 1: part of the equation. And that's why. And this is
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Speaker 1: what I was gonna say, Evan when I almost cut
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Speaker 1: you off. They should change it. I don't think they're
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Speaker 1: going to before week one because they're simply out of time.
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Speaker 1: And if you start moving pieces now, you're not gonna
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Speaker 1: be able to get guys ready for week one. Gerrod
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Speaker 1: Mao a couple of times this summer, when asked about
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Speaker 1: finalizing the offensive line, had given this second preseason game
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Speaker 1: is kind of the.
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Speaker 2: Cutoff point and said, we want to know if they're
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Speaker 2: they're just beyond that point.
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Speaker 1: But but listen, but let me let me finish the point.
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Speaker 1: After that second preseason game is when they want to know.
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Speaker 1: And there's a reason for that because after the second
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Speaker 1: preseason game, it's not really training camp anymore. You're sort
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Speaker 1: of done with the testing and evaluation and player development stage.
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Speaker 1: You're starting to get ready for Week one. And you
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Speaker 1: can't do that if you're rotating the offensive line. And
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Speaker 1: this is why it's so frustrating to me that they
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Speaker 1: stuck with this Vaderian Low group as long as they
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Speaker 1: mean to pick on him. But that's the big change.
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Speaker 1: That's what's so frustrating about them sticking with the Vaderian
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Speaker 1: Low group as long as they did. Remember I said
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Speaker 1: before the Panthers game, Evan, all right, you gave them
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Speaker 1: a week. You're gonna give them the game. Let's see
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Speaker 1: what it looks like. And they did that, and that
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Speaker 1: was fine. You gave him a full week. You let
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Speaker 1: them build some continuity. It clearly wasn't working after that game.
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Speaker 1: This would have been the week to go back into
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Speaker 1: the lab, can reconfigure things again, experiment, change things and
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Speaker 1: see what works. But they're at that cutoff point, which
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Speaker 1: is objectively a logical cutoff point. Now, I think they
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Speaker 1: kind of have to roll with this at least three
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Speaker 1: weeks one and two and then reevaluate and when you
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Speaker 1: get into the season, maybe move some things around. And
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Speaker 1: it's probably a situation like it was last year, like
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Speaker 1: it was the year before that, that it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: week five, six seven, and mic wh Win, who's gonna
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Speaker 1: move out to tackle and things will settle down and
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Speaker 1: you'll have some more time to work with Laden Robinson,
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Speaker 1: get him ready there. So I don't disagree with anything
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Speaker 1: you said. I just think the damage is done. Like
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Speaker 1: they're not going to get that time back that they
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Speaker 1: spent on this line. And at a certain point you
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Speaker 1: got to dance with hubrungya. And if they start moving
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Speaker 1: pieces around now, you're risking I know people think it
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Speaker 1: can't get worse, but you're risking a real disaster come
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Speaker 1: week one because at the very least, at the very least,
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Speaker 1: the one thing this group has is continuity, and you're
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Speaker 1: risking the same quality product without continuity if you start
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Speaker 1: moving pieces around now. And I know that sounds a
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Speaker 1: little hypocritical. What's the difference between changing now versus changing
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Speaker 1: weeks four or five. You don't Bill would do this.
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Speaker 1: They would rotate the tackles week one, and you can
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Speaker 1: do some of that, and you can are moving pieces
17:00
Speaker 1: around within the games and see what things look like
17:03
Speaker 1: in the games. But you don't want to not have
17:06
Speaker 1: a line set. You don't want to go into week
17:09
Speaker 1: one with a line that hasn't spent significant time together.
17:12
Speaker 1: That's just asking for trouble.
17:14
Speaker 2: Okay, So I agree with everything you said. That's the
17:18
Speaker 2: short term panic button of what's going on right now.
17:22
Speaker 2: That's the week one conversation. That's September twenty twenty. Let
17:25
Speaker 2: me get to it.
17:26
Speaker 1: It's a little longer, Okay, go ahead.
17:27
Speaker 2: My bigger concern about what's going on right now is
17:30
Speaker 2: what's going on with Drake May. Yeah, because that's the
17:34
Speaker 2: franchise right there. Like, I really don't care too much
17:37
Speaker 2: about September twenty twenty four. I just don't like I
17:40
Speaker 2: want them to be competitive. I want it to be
17:42
Speaker 2: a watchable product. It's more fun for us if it's
17:44
Speaker 2: watchable and it's competitive and all that kind of stuff.
17:47
Speaker 2: But it's not my biggest.
17:48
Speaker 1: So sorry to backtrack real quick before you get into
17:50
Speaker 1: Drake may Than, because someone's to asking you said, you're
17:52
Speaker 1: into the idea of them signing a veteran.
17:53
Speaker 2: Now, if what we're seeing is truly accurate, like if
17:59
Speaker 2: they're watching the film back of practice and it truly
18:01
Speaker 2: looks as bad on the film as it looks watching live,
18:04
Speaker 2: then then I at this point they might have to
18:07
Speaker 2: consider it.
18:07
Speaker 1: I think it has to be DJ Humphries, if you
18:09
Speaker 1: go that way, I think he's the Charles Leno's healthy,
18:12
Speaker 1: Charles Leno's coming off hip surgery in March.
18:14
Speaker 2: DJ Humphries is coming off an injury too.
18:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's an ACL, and I know that sounds bad,
18:18
Speaker 1: and none of the there's a reason all these guys
18:19
Speaker 1: are available. Yeah, ACL is relatively recoverable now, especially for alignment.
18:25
Speaker 1: How do you feel about a guy and and he
18:26
Speaker 1: tore his ACL in December? How you feel about about
18:29
Speaker 1: a guy that had hip surgery in March? Yeah, and
18:31
Speaker 1: that would be Charles Leonel Leno. David Bactiari can't get
18:34
Speaker 1: on that he has been in field three years. Donovan
18:37
Speaker 1: Smith is healthy, but you go back and you look
18:40
Speaker 1: at the way he played last year, if he takes
18:42
Speaker 1: another drop off like he did from twenty two to
18:44
Speaker 1: twenty three, I actually don't think he's an upgrade.
18:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not totally. This is again where I don't
18:51
Speaker 2: feel like those guys are upgrades necessarily. So I'm not
18:54
Speaker 2: like I think. I think Humphreys has the best chance
18:57
Speaker 2: to be a marginal upgrade. But I'm with you, I'm
18:59
Speaker 2: not pounding the day. But this is where, again you
19:01
Speaker 2: talk about the time they've already spent. Yeah, they brought
19:03
Speaker 2: one of these guys in at the end of July
19:05
Speaker 2: or at the beginning of August, you'd have a better idea. Yeah.
19:08
Speaker 2: So my biggest concern right now is what's going on
19:11
Speaker 2: with Drake may because it's not so much that I
19:16
Speaker 2: I don't know where he's at. I honestly don't know.
19:19
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you where he's at because he played
19:22
Speaker 2: six naps in the preseason game last week. We haven't
19:24
Speaker 2: had a show since then. I know that that's kind
19:26
Speaker 2: of water under the bridge at this point. But he
19:28
Speaker 2: didn't play in the preseason game last week. For all
19:30
Speaker 2: intents and purposes. He gets into the practice yesterday and
19:35
Speaker 2: his line is just completely overwhelmed with what the Eagles
19:37
Speaker 2: are doing upfront, and he really just didn't have a
19:39
Speaker 2: ton of chances. So for me to sit here and say,
19:43
Speaker 2: how is he mentally progressing, you know, going through reading coverage,
19:47
Speaker 2: going through progressions like timing rhythm, I don't know, And
19:51
Speaker 2: that's terrifying. That's terrifying that we can't. This is what
19:55
Speaker 2: all of us had fear feared about putting him in
19:59
Speaker 2: during the sea.
20:00
Speaker 1: Don't say all of us you wanted to start in
20:02
Speaker 1: week one and we went back and people got mad
20:05
Speaker 1: in the YouTube comments we were arguing, okay, so much.
20:08
Speaker 2: Sure, whatever, I'm just saying. The point is is that
20:12
Speaker 2: we don't know where Drake lay is at because he's
20:15
Speaker 2: not given a chance out there right now. And I
20:18
Speaker 2: know everybody's gonna hear that and say, well, why don't
20:20
Speaker 2: they just put him in front of the ones, And Okay,
20:22
Speaker 2: I hear you all on that. But to say sit
20:26
Speaker 2: here and say he's he's so far away, like he's
20:29
Speaker 2: he's not even close to playing yet, I just don't
20:31
Speaker 2: know how you could say that, because does he even
20:34
Speaker 2: have a chance to go through a progression right now?
20:37
Speaker 2: Like could he really have a chance at going one, two, three,
20:40
Speaker 2: and like hitting a backside dig route right now.
20:42
Speaker 1: The few times he's done he's the few times he's
20:45
Speaker 1: had that, he has done it. Yeah, but it's just
20:47
Speaker 1: so few and far between that you don't know if
20:49
Speaker 1: it's a consistency thing or why.
20:52
Speaker 2: I am sure that there are things pre snap and
20:56
Speaker 2: within the first couple beats of plays where he needs
20:59
Speaker 2: to be found master or if he's not quite there
21:01
Speaker 2: yet mentally in terms of configuring things and setting mike
21:05
Speaker 2: points and all that kind I'm sure there's a bunch
21:07
Speaker 2: of that kind of stuff going on where if he
21:11
Speaker 2: was a little bit further along in that capacity, maybe
21:14
Speaker 2: he would be able to get them into better positions
21:16
Speaker 2: to run plays more successfully. I am allowing for that completely,
21:20
Speaker 2: but that's hard to ask for a rookie quarterback like that.
21:23
Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen from ninety nine percent of rookie quarterbacks.
21:27
Speaker 2: What I'm seeing out of him in practice right now
21:29
Speaker 2: is that it's incomplete, like it's I don't know what
21:33
Speaker 2: he is. I'm hoping that we're going to see a
21:35
Speaker 2: little bit more tomorrow night, and maybe that will give
21:37
Speaker 2: us an indication of where he's at. But right now.
21:42
Speaker 2: I just mentioned the hurry up, like that hurry up
21:45
Speaker 2: was worthless, like it didn't teach us anything, he didn't
21:49
Speaker 2: get anything out of it. And that part, to me,
21:52
Speaker 2: is even more worrisome than the fact that it might
21:57
Speaker 2: not be great upfront for the first you know, for
21:59
Speaker 2: this season, or even the entire year. Maybe I was
22:02
Speaker 2: gonna say September, but maybe even in the entire year.
22:05
Speaker 2: He's at a point now where the conditions, the environment
22:10
Speaker 2: is just not conducive for him to be developed in
22:12
Speaker 2: a way that we can come out tangibly and say
22:16
Speaker 2: when people ask me, where's Drake May at right, I
22:19
Speaker 2: honestly couldn't tell you.
22:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got to ask. I did a mail
22:22
Speaker 1: bag last night on ninety eight five the sports sub
22:24
Speaker 1: dot com, and I was asked, I'm trying to find
22:26
Speaker 1: the exact question, is Drake May's future in trouble since
22:30
Speaker 1: the offensive line is struggling, And I said, it doesn't
22:33
Speaker 1: have to be. It doesn't have to be because this
22:37
Speaker 1: should not be Drake May's offensive line, like they should
22:40
Speaker 1: go out and improve it. I'm talking long term. I'm
22:43
Speaker 1: not talking about DJ Humphries. I'm talking about after this
22:46
Speaker 1: year now, his timeline may be delayed, which I think,
22:49
Speaker 1: Evan is what you're talking about, that we're not going
22:52
Speaker 1: to get an answer on him. We're not going to
22:53
Speaker 1: get a referendum on him as soon as we maybe
22:55
Speaker 1: otherwise would because the offensive line doesn't allow that. But
23:00
Speaker 1: if they handle this correctly, and I don't love the
23:02
Speaker 1: spot they've put Drake Man to begin with, I think
23:04
Speaker 1: it's very clear where I stand on that in terms
23:07
Speaker 1: of the investments they made in the offensive line this
23:09
Speaker 1: offseason or lack thereof, they can still go out and
23:13
Speaker 1: make those investments and get them a line and put
23:15
Speaker 1: them in a position to succeed. But that also comes
23:18
Speaker 1: with delaying the timeline, and that means dealing with pressure
23:21
Speaker 1: from the media, from the fans, perhaps inside the building
23:24
Speaker 1: to get Drake made going because if they put him
23:27
Speaker 1: behind this offensive line, I don't think it's gonna look
23:29
Speaker 1: good now, and I think it's gonna hurt him. So
23:31
Speaker 1: it is tough that you don't know right now, and
23:33
Speaker 1: the reality is, at least as I see it, we're
23:36
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to go through maybe an entire year
23:40
Speaker 1: that we just don't know that we can't say whether
23:43
Speaker 1: or not he's good or bad, because we're not going
23:46
Speaker 1: to get the full picture. And if he goes in
23:50
Speaker 1: early and struggles, then you look at, well, is this
23:52
Speaker 1: doing lasting damage? So what you're saying, yeah, it's tough,
23:57
Speaker 1: and you might go into next off season with quarterbacks
24:00
Speaker 1: still essentially an unknown. I don't think you can go
24:02
Speaker 1: out and at a guy but well, or are we
24:06
Speaker 1: building this is Drake May the guy we can build
24:08
Speaker 1: this around, like you might go in with that because
24:10
Speaker 1: of where the offensive line is at.
24:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it feels to me as though there's
24:15
Speaker 2: one thing coming from the team right now about Drake May.
24:18
Speaker 2: And we had Alex Van Pelt addressed the season ticket
24:22
Speaker 2: holders on Sunday and I was there asking him questions.
24:25
Speaker 2: Mike Reeves tweeted out the exact quote, and he was
24:29
Speaker 2: very complimentary of Drake May's said that, you know, they've
24:31
Speaker 2: cleaned up his footwork, he's going through progressions a lot
24:35
Speaker 2: faster than maybe they expected, like all these kinds of things.
24:38
Speaker 2: And I'm not calling him a liar. I'm just saying
24:43
Speaker 2: I don't know how you could tell. And they obviously
24:46
Speaker 2: have a knowledge of the game and a knowledge of
24:48
Speaker 2: what's going on out there. That's double that of the
24:52
Speaker 2: people in this room, right right. But the point of
24:54
Speaker 2: being is that he is at a point now where, well,
24:58
Speaker 2: first of all, they're asking him to play within the
25:01
Speaker 2: pocket in practice. I asked him this about I asked
25:03
Speaker 2: him about this yesterday, and he said, in practice, you
25:07
Speaker 2: can't really simulate all the off script improvisational stuff like
25:11
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna break out of the pocket, spin move
25:15
Speaker 2: a sack and then get out on the perimeter and
25:17
Speaker 2: start making things happen with my legs, Like that's not
25:20
Speaker 2: really what we're the goal of practices, Like, that's not
25:23
Speaker 2: what we're really trying to do in practice. So they're
25:25
Speaker 2: already making him play a little bit left handed and
25:28
Speaker 2: work on things he's not necessarily good at yet or
25:30
Speaker 2: not necessarily all the way there yet with so it
25:33
Speaker 2: was always going to be bumpy as he kind of
25:35
Speaker 2: goes through this developmental phase of his career. But they
25:38
Speaker 2: also are putting him in an environment where the people
25:40
Speaker 2: in front of him can't block for him, and frankly,
25:43
Speaker 2: like the receivers haven't really been giving him a ton
25:45
Speaker 2: of separation either, because their best receiver in terms of
25:49
Speaker 2: separation all that is pop obviously he gets all of
25:52
Speaker 2: his reps with Jakobe were sett and the starters. Hunter
25:55
Speaker 2: Henry has been out there the last couple of days,
25:56
Speaker 2: but he gets all of his reps which Kobe were
25:58
Speaker 2: set and the starters. Those are your best pass catchers,
26:01
Speaker 2: and Drake may doesn't throw to either of them right now.
26:04
Speaker 2: Usually he gets a Kashawan Boody, the rookies, you know,
26:08
Speaker 2: Polk Baker, and then maybe some combination of like Rager
26:11
Speaker 2: Thornton will mix in there as well with him. That's
26:14
Speaker 2: usually the guys in the that tight end. It's pet Way,
26:17
Speaker 2: will Cox, you know, those types of players. No offense
26:20
Speaker 2: to any of those guys. But that's not necessarily helping
26:23
Speaker 2: him out either. So I know that people think that
26:25
Speaker 2: I'm making excuses for him, probably you know the anti
26:28
Speaker 2: Drake made people hear a bunch of excuses. But to me,
26:31
Speaker 2: it's not even that I don't know if he's good
26:33
Speaker 2: or bad, like it's incomplete, like I I wish I
26:36
Speaker 2: could give you a judgment, like I wish I could
26:38
Speaker 2: sit here and tell you. And this to me is
26:40
Speaker 2: problematic because we're headed in a direction now where he's
26:44
Speaker 2: probably gonna sit a while in his rookie season. If
26:48
Speaker 2: he sits a while in his rookie season, once you
26:51
Speaker 2: get in season, all those reps in practice are gonna
26:54
Speaker 2: be going to Jcobe prisct' because he's got to getting
26:57
Speaker 2: ready to play the game on Sunday, so they're just
26:59
Speaker 2: not there. So these this was his opportunity to show
27:02
Speaker 2: real development from start to finish a training camp. And
27:05
Speaker 2: now hopefully we get to see him more, like I
27:08
Speaker 2: keep saying in the preseason games, and then I could
27:10
Speaker 2: get on on the film and really grate out the
27:12
Speaker 2: film and see exactly how it looks with the ability
27:15
Speaker 2: to watch it back. But it's disappointing. It's frustrating that
27:19
Speaker 2: we are at such an incomplete impast this far into
27:22
Speaker 2: camp with Drake May that we just don't really know
27:24
Speaker 2: what he is yet. And there's you can see it
27:26
Speaker 2: with the eyes that you know he's got physical tools,
27:29
Speaker 2: he's got ability, he's got size, all the things we
27:31
Speaker 2: knew already. I feel like we've learned no new information
27:34
Speaker 2: about him, and I shouldn't be saying that like we
27:37
Speaker 2: should have. We should have learned a lot of new
27:39
Speaker 2: information about him, and I feel like we have none
27:42
Speaker 2: at this point in training camp, and that to me
27:45
Speaker 2: is even more worrisome than the fact that they can't
27:48
Speaker 2: block the Eagles front on August thirteenth or whatever it was.
27:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean agree with all that. I
27:55
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know much. Add I get it.
27:57
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just the known
28:00
Speaker 1: as frustrating. It doesn't mean Drake May is bad. It's
28:03
Speaker 1: just frustrating from the outside looking in, Like because I
28:06
Speaker 1: think people hear that and think, oh, that means Drake
28:09
Speaker 1: May isn't good. That's not necessarily case. We just we
28:13
Speaker 1: don't know what he is. Like you said, we haven't
28:15
Speaker 1: learned anything about him.
28:16
Speaker 2: Is this the whole handling of Drake May in the
28:19
Speaker 2: whole summer that this has me has me irked at
28:22
Speaker 2: this point.
28:23
Speaker 1: I mean I was irked about it back in March.
28:24
Speaker 1: I'm kind of.
28:26
Speaker 2: It's griding my gears because it's not even just about
28:29
Speaker 2: the offensive line though, Like I'm not talking about the personnel.
28:32
Speaker 2: I'm talking about how they've handled how they've managed his
28:35
Speaker 2: reps and handled his routine on a day to day basis.
28:39
Speaker 2: He doesn't play in the preseason game he got I
28:43
Speaker 2: believe like half as many reps yesterday as Jacoby Brissett
28:46
Speaker 2: did in a full eleven on eleven's. Yeah, he doesn't
28:48
Speaker 2: get any opportunities with the ones. The door was never
28:52
Speaker 2: open at all for him to make a push ever.
28:56
Speaker 2: And I'm not even just talking about week one. I
28:58
Speaker 2: don't know how you can look at where we're at
29:00
Speaker 2: right now and expect him to play before Halloween like
29:04
Speaker 2: this is now. We're at the point where it's gonna
29:06
Speaker 2: go behind closed doors here soon and they're gonna have
29:08
Speaker 2: to see some real progress from him and then and
29:11
Speaker 2: behind closed doors settings, yeah, for the next couple of
29:14
Speaker 2: weeks months that to the point where maybe he can
29:17
Speaker 2: play in like the second half of the year, you know, right,
29:20
Speaker 2: And that that to me did not need We didn't
29:22
Speaker 2: need to get here, We didn't need to get to
29:23
Speaker 2: this point.
29:24
Speaker 1: Well, when they didn't add a tackle in the offseason,
29:26
Speaker 1: they kind of decided it.
29:27
Speaker 2: But I don't even think it's just about the tackle.
29:29
Speaker 2: Like in practice, he's in a red non contact orts.
29:30
Speaker 2: He's not gonna get hurt.
29:31
Speaker 1: But I think some of the trepidation is in Gid
29:35
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this after the first preseason game.
29:37
Speaker 1: They don't they are worried about their ability to protect him,
29:41
Speaker 1: so they're hesitant to play them. And if you know
29:42
Speaker 1: you're hesitant to play them this year at all, why
29:45
Speaker 1: overly drill him in practice?
29:47
Speaker 2: Because I think you need to find out what you have.
29:50
Speaker 2: You need to find out what you have, like, you
29:52
Speaker 2: need to find out if this guy that you drafted
29:54
Speaker 2: third overall really is the future.
29:57
Speaker 1: I think they and I think they understand that. I
30:01
Speaker 1: also think they're like, legitimately, they want to make sure
30:04
Speaker 1: jakober Set is competitive this year. They don't want to
30:06
Speaker 1: take anything away from Jacoby Brissett.
30:08
Speaker 2: I think that's the wrong way to approach it, That's
30:09
Speaker 2: all I'm saying. They why not give him any opportunities
30:13
Speaker 2: with the ones in practice? It makes no sense, especially
30:16
Speaker 2: when you know that the backup offensive lines of train
30:18
Speaker 2: Wreck right now. Just to give him the opportunity to
30:22
Speaker 2: actually go through a play at in a proper manner
30:27
Speaker 2: consistently and like maybe strings some positive plays together, we
30:30
Speaker 2: get into these hurry ups every single time in practice
30:32
Speaker 2: when they put him in the two minute and he
30:34
Speaker 2: can't move the ball.
30:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been it's been rough.
30:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like what are we getting out of that?
30:40
Speaker 2: And I get it. You want to give jacobyber Set
30:42
Speaker 2: opportunities to get him ready to play and all that.
30:45
Speaker 2: Jacoby b be fine. He's made forty eight starts in
30:48
Speaker 2: the NFL. He's thirty one years old. Like, if you
30:50
Speaker 2: give Drake May six reps a day with the starters,
30:54
Speaker 2: it's not going to make jacobyber Set go from Tom
30:57
Speaker 2: Brady to Zach Wilson. Right, He's gonna be who he's
31:00
Speaker 2: gonna be, right, And I just that to me is
31:04
Speaker 2: the biggest thing is it's not so much about let's
31:06
Speaker 2: open the door and let's see what it looks like
31:08
Speaker 2: with Drake May in terms of him starting, it's mostly
31:11
Speaker 2: just for his development. It would help his development to
31:15
Speaker 2: actually be around pieces that function at a decent level
31:19
Speaker 2: so that he can sit back there and actually go
31:21
Speaker 2: through progressions and go through the offense and move the
31:24
Speaker 2: ball and grows he have some confidence about what he's
31:27
Speaker 2: doing out there. It's it's been going all the way
31:31
Speaker 2: back to Thursday's preseason game. Then we can we can
31:33
Speaker 2: move on from this going back to Thursday's preseason game
31:36
Speaker 2: to now, all of this handling of the quarterback has
31:39
Speaker 2: made no sense to me.
31:41
Speaker 1: No, I look, I don't understand the plan. I don't
31:43
Speaker 1: understand I don't I don't want to say I don't
31:47
Speaker 1: see the plan. I do see the plan. I don't
31:49
Speaker 1: like on all the offense line. I don't even understand
31:50
Speaker 1: what the plan is. I guess a quarterback, I understand
31:52
Speaker 1: what the plan is, but it doesn't I said when
31:56
Speaker 1: they moved on for mac Jones that there's less to
32:00
Speaker 1: be learned there. And I hope that even though it's
32:02
Speaker 1: a new like Bill's not in charge anymore, still a
32:06
Speaker 1: lot of the same people. I hope they learn their
32:08
Speaker 1: lesson from the mac Jones saga. I do wonder if
32:12
Speaker 1: this is maybe too much of an over correction.
32:15
Speaker 2: In terms of them being so slow with it.
32:16
Speaker 1: Just so careful, or maybe they're just being so careful.
32:19
Speaker 1: Maybe it has nothing to do with mac Jones. Maybe
32:21
Speaker 1: I mean pack away Aaron Rodgers sat multiple seasons Short
32:25
Speaker 1: and Loves at multiple seasons, like maybe it's some of that,
32:27
Speaker 1: but it just feels like they're they're handling with kid gloves,
32:31
Speaker 1: and I think it and I I'm the one the
32:33
Speaker 1: whole mac Jones that are pounding the table. You need
32:35
Speaker 1: to take it, you need to make it as easy
32:37
Speaker 1: as possible for the quarterback. Saying the quarterback needs help
32:40
Speaker 1: is not a dirty thing. The more you help your
32:42
Speaker 1: quarterback along, the better. And I still believe all of that,
32:45
Speaker 1: but a certain point you got to put the kid
32:47
Speaker 1: on the field.
32:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder my fear isn't necessarily that they're over
32:53
Speaker 2: correcting from mac Jones. My fear is the first thing
32:56
Speaker 2: that you said, Yeah, which is that.
32:58
Speaker 1: The second thing I said, the packaway thing.
32:59
Speaker 2: No, my fear is the thing that you said about
33:03
Speaker 2: that they want Jacob Brissett to be viable this year,
33:06
Speaker 2: and like they're more concerned about well winning games in
33:11
Speaker 2: the short term with Jacoby Brissett as the quarterback than
33:14
Speaker 2: they are about developing.
33:15
Speaker 1: That could be that could so I was actually thinking
33:17
Speaker 1: it the other way. This could be a chicken or
33:19
Speaker 1: eg thing. Yeah, they're so set on stringing Drake may
33:22
Speaker 1: along slowly that that's why they're more invested in Jacoby
33:27
Speaker 1: Brissett because they know that. I didn't think of it
33:30
Speaker 1: the way you're saying. I'm more meant it the other
33:33
Speaker 1: way that the hesitance with Drake may maybe why they're
33:35
Speaker 1: more invested in Jacob Breseet because they know he's going
33:37
Speaker 1: to start at least call twelve games this year.
33:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just the whole handling of his reps. I'm
33:44
Speaker 2: not in his how they're walking him through this whole thing,
33:48
Speaker 2: like let's take all the other pieces around it off
33:51
Speaker 2: the table, like the offensive line, all this stuff, all
33:54
Speaker 2: the way through. How they've just handled his development, I'm not.
33:58
Speaker 2: And I also wanted to take off like footwork and mechanics,
34:02
Speaker 2: and because I think that some of those things have
34:04
Speaker 2: shown some improvements. I think his footwork does look better
34:07
Speaker 2: in some instances, and I think his motion is tightened
34:10
Speaker 2: up a little bit. His front arm now they're having
34:12
Speaker 2: him bring that front arm closer to his to his
34:16
Speaker 2: body Brady's style, like Brady would put the towel underneath
34:19
Speaker 2: his front arm and keep his arm. His mechanics are faster,
34:23
Speaker 2: more compact. His shotgun drops actually have been a lot better,
34:27
Speaker 2: you know, a lot more in rhythm. Like his three
34:29
Speaker 2: step hitches right now out of shotgun is actually looks
34:32
Speaker 2: good and looks how it should to my eye at least.
34:36
Speaker 2: So I think that they've made progress with some of
34:38
Speaker 2: the mechanical and technique work that they've done with him.
34:41
Speaker 2: It's more about the handling of the reps and who
34:43
Speaker 2: he's playing with and when he's playing in preseason games
34:47
Speaker 2: and things like that that I just can't fully wrap
34:49
Speaker 2: my head around, Like was that koe Brissett went out
34:53
Speaker 2: there last Thursday night and he also played what five
34:56
Speaker 2: to six players or something like that. Was Were those
34:59
Speaker 2: five six plays for koe Brissett meaningful in any sort
35:02
Speaker 2: of way? Did they help him in any sort of way?
35:05
Speaker 2: Why not go back to last Thursday night and start
35:08
Speaker 2: draaking May from the beginning of the game. If you
35:10
Speaker 2: only want him to work with the top offensive line,
35:12
Speaker 2: I get it. You don't want to put the kid
35:14
Speaker 2: back there against a shaky offensive line and get him
35:17
Speaker 2: killed in a preseason game. Then start him with the
35:20
Speaker 2: ones last week, give him two series full series with
35:24
Speaker 2: the ones, and give him those opportunities, because Brissette will
35:27
Speaker 2: get him in the second and third preseason games, and
35:29
Speaker 2: he got him yesterday in the joint practice. So it
35:32
Speaker 2: just it feels like all these different things, I'm starting
35:36
Speaker 2: to second guess a lot, and that to me is worrisome.
35:40
Speaker 2: But I want to turn the page because we could
35:43
Speaker 2: talk another forty five minutes about all this. So take
35:45
Speaker 2: some of these phone calls and emails, and we got
35:47
Speaker 2: a bunch of emails rolling in as well, and then
35:49
Speaker 2: we have some other things we wanted to get to.
35:51
Speaker 2: But let's get to the phone lines, because these guys
35:53
Speaker 2: have been waiting. Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff?
35:57
Speaker 3: Hey?
35:57
Speaker 4: How you doing? Guys good?
35:58
Speaker 2: How are you good?
36:00
Speaker 4: So every year I make my fantasy team name something
36:06
Speaker 4: to do with the Patriots. This year is very niche.
36:09
Speaker 4: It's the Manhattan Project Nice. I don't think anyone is
36:13
Speaker 4: going to get it, because no one in my fantasy
36:15
Speaker 4: is from is from New England. But you know, I
36:20
Speaker 4: think that I think it's.
36:22
Speaker 1: A good one.
36:23
Speaker 4: I know that you guys discussed, you know, the offensive
36:28
Speaker 4: coaches having a come to Jesus meeting about the offensive line,
36:32
Speaker 4: and obviously that's the offensive line needs to be addressed.
36:37
Speaker 4: But do you think that, you know, after playing the
36:42
Speaker 4: Patriots defense every day and being able to kind of
36:45
Speaker 4: adjust your game plan to them, and playing the Panthers
36:51
Speaker 4: stadium maintenance workers that they trotted out there during the
36:54
Speaker 4: preseason game, you know, after getting their butts sticked by
36:57
Speaker 4: the Eagles and a good defense, do you think that
37:01
Speaker 4: this is going to kind of make a VP realize
37:05
Speaker 4: the changes that he's going to need to make, not
37:09
Speaker 4: to like in game adjustments, but just the philosophy of
37:13
Speaker 4: this offense and how he's going to shape game plans
37:16
Speaker 4: right from the start rather than you know, adjusting on
37:20
Speaker 4: the fly to a defense, but you know, the core
37:23
Speaker 4: philosophies that he's trying to implement because of the person
37:26
Speaker 4: that he has.
37:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the question, Jeff, And we love the
37:31
Speaker 2: fantasy football name. So it's a good question. It's the
37:34
Speaker 2: game plan offense versus just trying to get yourself your
37:37
Speaker 2: house in order, you know, to run things. You mentioned
37:41
Speaker 2: earlier the continuity factor, and there's basically two there's a
37:45
Speaker 2: fork in the road, and there's two ways that things go.
37:47
Speaker 2: They can throw it all out and start putting throw
37:51
Speaker 2: all the on the freaking floor on the and then
37:53
Speaker 2: start putting them back up on the whiteboard. Or they
37:56
Speaker 2: can just put their head down and say we're gonna
38:01
Speaker 2: trust our stuff, like we're gonna trust ourselves, our coaching,
38:05
Speaker 2: our system, and that in the coming weeks and months,
38:09
Speaker 2: this will get better. Right if we stick stick to
38:11
Speaker 2: the process and we stick to the plan, this would
38:14
Speaker 2: get this will get better, and my gut tells me
38:17
Speaker 2: that they are gonna go with the stick to the
38:19
Speaker 2: process version at.
38:21
Speaker 1: Least to start. It doesn't mean they're gonna start seventeen games,
38:23
Speaker 1: but yeah, for first week or two.
38:25
Speaker 2: My gut tells me that because if you read up
38:28
Speaker 2: about these West Coast coaches and this offense and this
38:32
Speaker 2: system and things like that, they'll all tell you, especially
38:35
Speaker 2: in the run game, it takes a while for the
38:38
Speaker 2: outside zone stuff to start to really stick and like
38:42
Speaker 2: come to fruition because it's it's a rhythmic dance. It
38:46
Speaker 2: needs to be drilled, it needs to be sequenced. It
38:48
Speaker 2: all needs to be worked on over repet you know, repetition. Repetition.
38:53
Speaker 2: Repetition is so big with this coaching tree that it
38:58
Speaker 2: seems unrealistic me that they would just go out there
39:01
Speaker 2: and throw it all away and say we need to
39:03
Speaker 2: start completely from scratch, because my guess is in their
39:06
Speaker 2: head they're saying, by a midway point this year into
39:11
Speaker 2: year two, it'll start to come together, like it'll it'll
39:14
Speaker 2: start to click, you know. And if you go back
39:16
Speaker 2: and you look at some of these places, Sam Fran,
39:20
Speaker 2: you know, Green Bay, Tennessee, even I think is a
39:24
Speaker 2: good example when the floor was there and Tennessee as
39:26
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator. It takes time to run this kind
39:30
Speaker 2: of scheme. So my guess is that they're gonna stick
39:32
Speaker 2: their head in the dirt and just pray that it works.
39:36
Speaker 1: I also think it doesn't help that there's not there's
39:40
Speaker 1: not a clear fix. Yeah, if it was in some
39:43
Speaker 1: people might say it's Mike win wint right tackle. It's
39:46
Speaker 1: probably as clear as you get, but.
39:47
Speaker 2: They have too many there's too many holes at this point.
39:50
Speaker 1: Right, So you're moving one guy off position and you're
39:53
Speaker 1: putting a rookie in the lineup. That's not even if
39:56
Speaker 1: you think it's better, and I think it might be better,
39:59
Speaker 1: but it's not a clear fix, you know what I
40:00
Speaker 1: mean by that?
40:01
Speaker 2: It has a higher ceiling.
40:02
Speaker 1: It has a higher ceiling, but it's not there's not
40:04
Speaker 1: an obvious all right, Well, we'll put this guy in
40:06
Speaker 1: for this guy and we're good.
40:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
40:08
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that makes it tougher to just
40:10
Speaker 1: make the change like that. I'm with you. I think
40:13
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the starting offensive line for at
40:15
Speaker 1: least the first few weeks, and maybe there's some in
40:18
Speaker 1: game adjustments. Again, Bill used to do this where he'd
40:20
Speaker 1: rotate one spot during a game and you get like
40:23
Speaker 1: a sixty to forty split. Remember Cole Strange did that
40:25
Speaker 1: his rookie year. I remember he rotated with but yeah,
40:29
Speaker 1: he only played like sixty sixty five percent of his
40:31
Speaker 1: first few games, maybe something like that. But I don't
40:34
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be sweeping change between now and week one.
40:36
Speaker 2: So as bad as everything wants, last year, and I'm
40:38
Speaker 2: not trying to say that it may it fixed all
40:41
Speaker 2: their problems or anything like that, but last year they
40:45
Speaker 2: felt pretty good, even though it didn't work out this
40:47
Speaker 2: one right with Trent Brown at left tackle right like
40:50
Speaker 2: he was an NFL left tackle, So moving Mike Onnuenu
40:53
Speaker 2: to right tackle to fix that problem made sense because
40:58
Speaker 2: they had a guy on the left side that they
41:00
Speaker 2: felt was okay. In this situation, bold tackle spots are
41:04
Speaker 2: an issue. And then if you move Landon Robinson up
41:07
Speaker 2: into the starting lineup, now you have a rookie right
41:09
Speaker 2: guard that you're not one hundred percent certain about either.
41:11
Speaker 2: So now you have three issues bas rightly.
41:13
Speaker 1: And and the other one would be just putting Kane
41:15
Speaker 1: Wallace back in at left tackle. That's what I would do.
41:17
Speaker 1: That's what i'd move Mike Winu. That's what I would
41:19
Speaker 1: But that's also you're putting a rookie career right tackle
41:23
Speaker 1: in college at left tackle, and that's not a gart
41:26
Speaker 1: that's hardly guaranteed fix either. Look, I think Caan Wallace
41:29
Speaker 1: can be a serviceable right tackle in the NFL, like
41:31
Speaker 1: starting caliber, I don't know about all pro, but like
41:34
Speaker 1: a starting caliber, decent right tackle. But that's that doesn't
41:38
Speaker 1: mean that's going to translate to the other side.
41:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would do too, because I I
41:43
Speaker 2: feel like that was when they were at their best
41:45
Speaker 2: in this camp for those couple of days. And granted
41:48
Speaker 2: those couple of days were very fleeting and they very
41:50
Speaker 2: long ago at this point in terms of camp days,
41:52
Speaker 2: but those first couple of days and pads with Cad
41:56
Speaker 2: and Wallace at left tackle, they looked okay. Yeah it
41:59
Speaker 2: wasn't I'm not telling you it was the nineties Cowboys,
42:02
Speaker 2: but they looked okay, and then they were serviceable. They
42:05
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we got back into practice after
42:08
Speaker 2: a day off and Vederian Lowe was at left tackle
42:10
Speaker 2: and Kayden Wallace was with the twos, and it never
42:12
Speaker 2: went back, and I didn't understand at the time. I
42:17
Speaker 2: didn't know what Kaden Wallas did to be essentially be
42:20
Speaker 2: demoted at that point of the summer. Yeah, it just
42:23
Speaker 2: it didn't make any sense then. It doesn't make much
42:25
Speaker 2: sense now, all right, Patty is an aguam. What's up, Patty?
42:29
Speaker 4: What is up? Guys?
42:30
Speaker 1: Hey?
42:33
Speaker 5: So I was thinking maybe the plan coming into the season,
42:37
Speaker 5: and this may still be the plan. It's sort of
42:41
Speaker 5: break man like like the Chiefs treated Patrick Mahomes, where,
42:44
Speaker 5: you know what, We're just essentially gonna sit the kid
42:47
Speaker 5: for the entire year. Maybe we'll give him a game
42:50
Speaker 5: or a game or two, because you know, his rookie year.
42:53
Speaker 5: They they were still only playing sixteen games. And I
42:57
Speaker 5: was on record, I've been on record, I've been on
43:00
Speaker 5: board with him starting week one. But Evan, I listened
43:03
Speaker 5: to the whole cast yesterday and I'm starting to uh
43:08
Speaker 5: to what I'm thinking. I'm walking that back and you know,
43:11
Speaker 5: until they get this line settled, I mean I might,
43:15
Speaker 5: I might be on board with him sitting almost the
43:18
Speaker 5: whole season, you know, barring something happened to Jacobe Verssett.
43:22
Speaker 5: But do you guys think at a point like at
43:23
Speaker 5: a certain point where they're maybe mathematically eliminated. Well, let's
43:27
Speaker 5: just say that that is the plan. We're sitting them
43:29
Speaker 5: practically the whole year. But if they do get to
43:32
Speaker 5: a point where they're mathematically eliminated, do you think they
43:36
Speaker 5: just say through it, Let's let's get it. Let's have
43:39
Speaker 5: him get his experience. Now, a little bit of experience,
43:42
Speaker 5: and just cross our fingers, hold our breath and hope
43:45
Speaker 5: the freaking kid doesn't get hurt. And I'll take it
43:48
Speaker 5: off the here and thanks for as always.
43:49
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, appreciate you listen yesterday.
43:52
Speaker 1: The last thing is the key there.
43:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I look at I agree with everything that
43:58
Speaker 2: he said about that piece of it, because I'm at
44:02
Speaker 2: you mentioned it earlier. I was Drake made the doors
44:06
Speaker 2: open for week one. I am so far from that at.
44:09
Speaker 1: The spit told him.
44:11
Speaker 2: They they are so not even close to ready for
44:14
Speaker 2: him that I am now at the point where I
44:20
Speaker 2: I probably look at it now and say, does he
44:23
Speaker 2: start the last couple of games of this year just
44:25
Speaker 2: to get his feet wet in the NFL and make
44:27
Speaker 2: a couple of starts to go into year two with
44:29
Speaker 2: some experience. I think Patty mentioned Patrick Mahomes right, he
44:33
Speaker 2: started his last game his rookie season.
44:35
Speaker 1: Which means, yeah, they already finished.
44:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was a Week seventeen game and now
44:40
Speaker 2: would be a Week eighteen game for the Patriots. I'm
44:44
Speaker 2: at the point where that that is now on the table.
44:47
Speaker 2: But as much as I'm changing my tune on that,
44:51
Speaker 2: I don't want it to come across that it's because
44:53
Speaker 2: of Drake May. I'm changing my tune to that because
44:56
Speaker 2: a because of the dumpster fire that is going on
45:00
Speaker 2: on the offensive line right now, but B because I
45:04
Speaker 2: feel like Dave mishandled the whole situation at this point
45:07
Speaker 2: where he's not going to be ready any sooner than that. Yeah,
45:09
Speaker 2: And that that's the part that I want to hold
45:12
Speaker 2: them accountable for, is that this did not have to
45:15
Speaker 2: get to this point like he should have been able
45:18
Speaker 2: to start earlier on in his rookie career. He should
45:20
Speaker 2: have he should have been able to start at some
45:22
Speaker 2: point as a rookie and play meaningful games as a rookie.
45:25
Speaker 2: And that's not going to happen now. I don't And
45:27
Speaker 2: if I had to say today on August fourteenth, that's
45:30
Speaker 2: not gonna happen.
45:31
Speaker 1: It can change. But no, I'm I'm with you. I'm
45:34
Speaker 1: I'm more annoyed about the line thing because I think
45:37
Speaker 1: the lack of reps is a product of the offensive line.
45:41
Speaker 1: I Gerdmeo said that was the least part of it,
45:44
Speaker 1: So that's the part that bugs me. But to to
45:47
Speaker 1: to Patty's point, there, does he just play you know,
45:49
Speaker 1: one or two games at the end of the year,
45:50
Speaker 1: you see where he's at. Maybe throw him in blowouts,
45:53
Speaker 1: you know, during the season. I think I don't. I
45:54
Speaker 1: think Mahomes played in a few other games, like where
45:56
Speaker 1: the Chiefs were up big. And may be wrong on that,
45:59
Speaker 1: but it all comes down to whether or not they
46:02
Speaker 1: think they can keep them healthy. Because what would be
46:05
Speaker 1: a true nightmare scenario, No, Mahomes only played that one game, Okay,
46:09
Speaker 1: what would be a true nightmare scenario is you get
46:11
Speaker 1: to that point late in the year where like, okay,
46:13
Speaker 1: we're gonna put him in after you've already I don't
46:15
Speaker 1: want to say stunted his development, but delayed the timeline,
46:18
Speaker 1: and then he gets hurt, and now does he miss
46:21
Speaker 1: time next year? And now he's just so far behind
46:24
Speaker 1: schedule that you know you're gonna be getting to the
46:28
Speaker 1: point where you got to decide on his fifty year option,
46:30
Speaker 1: and you may not have a full picture of what
46:32
Speaker 1: he is, so it it makes sense, but you have
46:36
Speaker 1: to be able to protect him. And are they gonna
46:39
Speaker 1: get there at some point this season? I don't know.
46:42
Speaker 1: I just don't know.
46:43
Speaker 2: And it should be able to for one game where
46:46
Speaker 2: you can scheme it up and you can get the
46:48
Speaker 2: ball out of his hands quickly, and you can move
46:51
Speaker 2: the pocket and all these kinds of things one game
46:55
Speaker 2: in January, when you've had seventeen weeks to try to
46:58
Speaker 2: figure out this the offensive line to get it to
47:00
Speaker 2: be representable. They should be able to play him for one.
47:03
Speaker 1: Game their games in starting in December, just looking what
47:07
Speaker 1: helps them. There aren't any real dominant pass rushes in here. Colts, Cardinals,
47:11
Speaker 1: the Bills of a good pass rush, but that's mostly interior.
47:14
Speaker 1: I'm assuming von Miller's Cook Chargers and then Bills again, So.
47:17
Speaker 2: The Bills, I mean Everysso that's true. Yeah, but I
47:21
Speaker 2: hear you, like, yeah, it's.
47:22
Speaker 1: Well, I was just looking like I forgot if like,
47:25
Speaker 1: for instance, the the I know most of the schedule,
47:31
Speaker 1: but like the rams are at the end and they've
47:32
Speaker 1: got some some dogs and pasts the Dolphins there at
47:35
Speaker 1: the end, Guys like Jalen Phillips.
47:36
Speaker 2: Like a week team jam against the Bills, who here
47:40
Speaker 2: very easily could have everything locked up that they can
47:43
Speaker 2: possibly lock up.
47:43
Speaker 1: I don't think they will.
47:44
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe seeding, but like they're not going out there
47:47
Speaker 2: playing for play their lives in that game. Maybe that
47:53
Speaker 2: that's a point where they can they can get them
47:56
Speaker 2: in there, and it's one of the you know, those
47:57
Speaker 2: four corner offense games for Buffalo.
47:59
Speaker 1: That but like you said, like you said before, you
48:04
Speaker 1: can scheme ways around it. And that's what kind of
48:07
Speaker 1: confuses me so much about the preseason handling of it.
48:11
Speaker 1: There's immense value in him just going out getting the
48:14
Speaker 1: line pre snap, making the reads, making the communications, and
48:18
Speaker 1: then you can just have him hand it.
48:19
Speaker 2: Off, yeah, or throw a ball into the flatter screen.
48:23
Speaker 1: Right like you don't need to call your full playbook.
48:25
Speaker 1: Just give them the experience of going out there, and
48:28
Speaker 1: you can certainly mitigate his chances of getting hit, rollouts,
48:32
Speaker 1: things like that. So I understand not putting him out
48:34
Speaker 1: there and having him run like a four he its offense. Yeah,
48:36
Speaker 1: I totally understand that and not running some of these
48:39
Speaker 1: more complex calls that have two even three cut routes
48:43
Speaker 1: in them that take more time. Like, yeah, don't put
48:46
Speaker 1: him out there and have him do that. I'm with
48:47
Speaker 1: you on that. You can go out there and hand
48:49
Speaker 1: it off. If he's getting hit, handing the ball off,
48:51
Speaker 1: there's much much, much bigger problem.
48:54
Speaker 2: And he wouldn't have because Bailey's Appy played in that
48:56
Speaker 2: game just fine the other night for the lion's share
48:59
Speaker 2: of it. And that's the other part that I think
49:01
Speaker 2: is so frustrating, because I agree with you one hundred
49:03
Speaker 2: percent about what you said that procedurally, he could get
49:06
Speaker 2: into a game and just kind of go through the
49:08
Speaker 2: motions of what it's like to call the play in
49:10
Speaker 2: the huddle, to get to the line of scrimmage, make checks,
49:13
Speaker 2: make alerts, you know, whatever the his cans, you know,
49:17
Speaker 2: if it's a run, pass, whatever, and hand the ball
49:20
Speaker 2: off thirty times that you can do that. The other
49:23
Speaker 2: thing I would say is is that was there any
49:26
Speaker 2: better team in the preseason that they'll face then the
49:31
Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers practice squad, Right, he was gonna play a
49:33
Speaker 2: bunch of bumps, Like if they put him in the game,
49:36
Speaker 2: with tomorrow night against the Eagles, and the Eagles play
49:39
Speaker 2: some of their guys, Like, he's gonna be facing a
49:41
Speaker 2: team that's that's loaded defensively and especially on the defensive front.
49:46
Speaker 2: So that was the opportunity. The opportunity was to play
49:49
Speaker 2: him against the freaking Panthers, right, like the third string
49:52
Speaker 2: defensive line. Like what, at what point, there's no Zappi
49:56
Speaker 2: was fine? Like Zappi is pressured on like thirty percent
49:58
Speaker 2: of his dropbacks in that game. It wasn't anything. Alarm it.
50:00
Speaker 2: It wasn't anything. It wasn't Dallas.
50:02
Speaker 1: Well, but they didn't know that going in. They may
50:04
Speaker 1: have thought it was gonna be worse than that.
50:05
Speaker 2: They thought it against Carolina's practice squad, they thought was
50:08
Speaker 2: gonna be worse.
50:08
Speaker 1: Well, well, here's the thing. They kept the group the same,
50:12
Speaker 1: So maybe they were encouraged by what they saw just
50:14
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50:39
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50:41
Speaker 1: We got a few more calls too.
50:42
Speaker 2: We do have a few more calls. I'll get you
50:44
Speaker 2: guys in a second. So this is an email from
50:47
Speaker 2: David in Maine. First question, based off of everything that
50:51
Speaker 2: everybody's hearing and what he's you know, listening to and
50:54
Speaker 2: us and things like that, the offense is bad because
50:57
Speaker 2: of the offensive line and specifically the offensive tackles. Yes,
51:01
Speaker 2: And he's just wondering if that notion is correct that
51:04
Speaker 2: this is all the offensive line. I wouldn't say it's
51:07
Speaker 2: all the offensive lines ever, all one thing, right football.
51:10
Speaker 2: I thought yesterday, you know, we haven't talked a ton
51:12
Speaker 2: about Jacob Brisett his day.
51:14
Speaker 1: He's had a tough couple days here.
51:16
Speaker 2: His accuracy has been sporadic. Yeah, the last couple of days,
51:19
Speaker 2: I thought he had some opportunities. And this is where
51:21
Speaker 2: I kind of get fired up about not giving Drake
51:24
Speaker 2: may some of these reps because I did think yesterday
51:27
Speaker 2: that Jacobber said, had some clean pockets and had some
51:29
Speaker 2: ability to push the ball down the field. He was
51:32
Speaker 2: just missing throws. He missed a wide open Austin Hooper
51:35
Speaker 2: for what would have been a really nice touchdown down
51:37
Speaker 2: the field. Hooper ran like a seam splitter against his
51:41
Speaker 2: too high structure, looked like quarters and just shot right
51:44
Speaker 2: up the middle of the defense through the zone and
51:46
Speaker 2: was behind the defense and was open in the end zone,
51:49
Speaker 2: and Jacobyber said, overshot him. He threw a ball behind
51:52
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thornton that Darius Slay ended up getting a hand
51:54
Speaker 2: in late into the passing window or into in between
51:57
Speaker 2: you know, the catch point, and that should have been
52:01
Speaker 2: out in front of Taekwon Thornton and should have been caught.
52:03
Speaker 2: He threw one to Jalen Rager in the two minute
52:06
Speaker 2: that was complete that Rager caught but was wrong shouldered right.
52:09
Speaker 2: He like made rigor adjusted to it. It's kind of
52:11
Speaker 2: like the throw Zappy made to Kaishon Booty in the
52:14
Speaker 2: preseason game last Thursday night, where it was one of
52:17
Speaker 2: those like no no yes plays right where it was
52:19
Speaker 2: like he threw it inside when it should have been
52:21
Speaker 2: outside and the corner jumped it, but the corner missed
52:24
Speaker 2: it and I couldn't break it up. There's just those
52:27
Speaker 2: like little things there with his ball placement where it's like, yeah,
52:31
Speaker 2: that throw was where it should have gone, the reads
52:34
Speaker 2: are where he should be going, his eyes are and
52:36
Speaker 2: feet are in the right place. As he's generally accurate,
52:39
Speaker 2: but there's just times with Jakobe Brissett where I'm left
52:42
Speaker 2: wanting a little bit more where You're just like, if
52:44
Speaker 2: that was just a little bit of a better throw there,
52:47
Speaker 2: then they have a big play or they have a
52:49
Speaker 2: yards after catch opportunity. I'll give you another example. Yesterday,
52:53
Speaker 2: they ran a I believe it was like a leaked
52:56
Speaker 2: type of play where Austin Hooper kind of snuck out
52:58
Speaker 2: on the wheel route and it worked like there was
53:02
Speaker 2: it kind of was like a busted coverage for the
53:04
Speaker 2: Eagles and he was wide open. Instead of hitting him
53:06
Speaker 2: in stride, Austin Hooper had to go up and high
53:09
Speaker 2: point the ball and adjust to the ball in the air,
53:11
Speaker 2: and the safety came over and tapped him down. If
53:13
Speaker 2: that ball hits Austin Hooper in stride, then he's up
53:15
Speaker 2: the sideline and he's running with it. These are just
53:18
Speaker 2: the little mini things, like minor things which Kobe Weressett
53:22
Speaker 2: with his ball placement that if he just had a
53:25
Speaker 2: little bit more class like it was just a little
53:26
Speaker 2: bit better that they these plays would hit for more
53:30
Speaker 2: explosives or bigger plays down the field and things of
53:33
Speaker 2: that nature. So I think there's a little bit of
53:35
Speaker 2: that going on with the first team offense right now.
53:37
Speaker 2: That his ball placement's been kind of sporadic over the
53:40
Speaker 2: last couple of days, and it was in the preseason game,
53:42
Speaker 2: I felt like a little bit too. And then the
53:44
Speaker 2: other thing was outside of Pop Douglas, their receivers, I
53:49
Speaker 2: don't think we're uncovering all that consistently.
53:52
Speaker 1: Most of their catches were contested catches.
53:54
Speaker 2: Hooper was getting open a little bit, and I think
53:57
Speaker 2: that speaks to the tight end in this offense viable
54:00
Speaker 2: option and Hunter Henry should be a viable option. And
54:04
Speaker 2: Pop came alive in the in Jacoby Brissett's two minutes
54:08
Speaker 2: and his hurry up at the end of practice. Pop
54:10
Speaker 2: made a few catches to get them down the field
54:12
Speaker 2: in that instance, But other than that, it does it
54:14
Speaker 2: still doesn't feel like there's a ton of explosives down
54:18
Speaker 2: the field, like deep opportunities. A lot of it is
54:20
Speaker 2: underneath stuff and check downs and passes into the flat
54:24
Speaker 2: or quick outs or whatever.
54:25
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I agree. I would just say to
54:28
Speaker 1: the original question, like how much of this is the tackles.
54:31
Speaker 1: Everything's always a little bit of everything, but like the
54:34
Speaker 1: tackles are the biggest issue, I would also say, I
54:36
Speaker 1: think some of these other issues the offense, you know,
54:38
Speaker 1: the quarterback and the receivers. You can't develop timing if
54:41
Speaker 1: you can't get the play set up. Yeah, and we
54:43
Speaker 1: saw them handle this last year in past years by
54:46
Speaker 1: running more seven on seven's in practice and taking the
54:49
Speaker 1: line out of it. They haven't necessarily done that this year.
54:52
Speaker 1: I think they want to drill the offensive line as
54:54
Speaker 1: much as possible to try to get it figured out.
54:57
Speaker 1: But ultimately, what it comes down to is there's not
54:59
Speaker 1: as the I've been as many opportunities to develop chemistry
55:03
Speaker 1: in the passing game, and you're seeing that.
55:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. The second part of David's question is about all
55:09
Speaker 2: the cap space that they have. The Patriots are about
55:11
Speaker 2: forty two million dollars right now under the cap, which
55:14
Speaker 2: I believe is number one in the league. He's just
55:17
Speaker 2: asking if it rolls over, and yes, one hundred percent
55:19
Speaker 2: of the cap space rolls over year to year, so
55:22
Speaker 2: they will be able to roll over all this space
55:24
Speaker 2: into next off season. So he said, you know, they
55:28
Speaker 2: paid you on, they obviously can pay jud On if
55:30
Speaker 2: they want to pay Youdon. Yeah, but the biggest thing
55:33
Speaker 2: to me with the cap space is that once they
55:36
Speaker 2: missed out on Calvin Ridley, and it didn't seem like
55:39
Speaker 2: they loved the rest of the free agent market this offseason.
55:42
Speaker 4: Right.
55:43
Speaker 2: It seemed to me as though they said, instead of
55:46
Speaker 2: overpaying in free agency for like C plus talent, let's
55:50
Speaker 2: just keep the war chest and we'll keep the cap space,
55:54
Speaker 2: will roll it into next off season and then hopefully
55:57
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five we make some splashes.
55:59
Speaker 1: DK met Calf.
56:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually don't mind the approach because we learned
56:03
Speaker 2: our lesson in twenty twenty one, where you go out
56:05
Speaker 2: and you pay like overpay for guys you know, Johnny Smith,
56:09
Speaker 2: Nelson Aguilar, like those players, and then you're like stuck
56:12
Speaker 2: with that core for like two or three years cap wise,
56:16
Speaker 2: and then that puts you into a tight spot.
56:19
Speaker 1: It would bother me less if they just paid Judon. Yeah,
56:22
Speaker 1: just game him through this year. Just put a band
56:24
Speaker 1: aid on a game through this year and then you
56:25
Speaker 1: can part ways. But meanwhile, he was awesome in practice
56:28
Speaker 1: yesterday and he's going one hundred and ten percent. He's
56:31
Speaker 1: totally bought in. He's giving them every reason to pay him.
56:34
Speaker 1: Yeah for whatever, that's that's totally fair.
56:36
Speaker 2: They probably should pay Jude On and hopefully will here
56:40
Speaker 2: soon and they can do that with their cap space
56:41
Speaker 2: and all that. But just lasting on the cap space
56:44
Speaker 2: like it obviously didn't work out with Brandon Nyuk, but
56:46
Speaker 2: that's a great example of Brandon Nyuk all of a
56:49
Speaker 2: sudden becomes available potentially via trade in the middle of August,
56:54
Speaker 2: which almost never happens, but it did happen in this instance,
56:57
Speaker 2: and now suddenly they had It's so easy for the
57:00
Speaker 2: Patriots now to just cut the check and acquire Brandon.
57:02
Speaker 2: I you it isn't a problem. Whereas if they were
57:06
Speaker 2: up against the cap because they spent all this money
57:08
Speaker 2: in free agency and you know, got rid of all
57:12
Speaker 2: of it, all the cap space, then all of a sudden,
57:14
Speaker 2: now we're in a conversation about how do you move
57:16
Speaker 2: the cap space around and how do you figure it
57:18
Speaker 2: out to get him on the roster. Same could be
57:20
Speaker 2: true if it's at the deadline or something like that.
57:22
Speaker 2: That a you know, CD Land DK, that Calf you're
57:25
Speaker 2: one of your guys, comes available at the deadline. Now
57:27
Speaker 2: you have some wiggle room. So I don't mind that
57:30
Speaker 2: they they they held serve with the cap space because
57:33
Speaker 2: I feel like they will be better used in future management.
57:38
Speaker 2: Regardless of you know, what happens this year, It'll be
57:41
Speaker 2: better used in future times. All right, let's see here, Uh, okay,
57:48
Speaker 2: a lot of questions about the offensive line and how
57:50
Speaker 2: bad it is. Obviously, so I'm trying to read these
57:56
Speaker 2: emails while hosting the show, which is not good radio.
57:59
Speaker 1: Take the call and well we're answering the call. You
58:02
Speaker 1: can read the emails and figure out which one.
58:03
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good idea. All right, Brad is in Ohio.
58:06
Speaker 2: What's up, Brad? Brad you're on the air. O. Hey,
58:13
Speaker 2: how's it going, Brad?
58:15
Speaker 6: How you got doing today?
58:17
Speaker 2: Good?
58:18
Speaker 1: Good?
58:20
Speaker 6: I was wondering. I agree with you guys so much.
58:23
Speaker 6: I just think that Drake's being not used properly. I mean,
58:27
Speaker 6: we've got to get this guy some reps. I mean
58:30
Speaker 6: He's got the throwing ability that Jacoby Marys just doesn't
58:35
Speaker 6: or Jacoby Bursett I'm sorry, doesn't have. And you know,
58:40
Speaker 6: I mean proving this in practice, he's out playing him.
58:43
Speaker 6: So what what on earth are we We're actually gonna
58:47
Speaker 6: sit him on the bench. I mean, I know, the
58:49
Speaker 6: offensive line is the trocious and we don't have tackles.
58:53
Speaker 6: And Kyden Wallace shouldn't be on the left side. He
58:56
Speaker 6: proved that in the preseason game. But on the right
59:00
Speaker 6: side he looked good and Landon Roberts did, so we
59:02
Speaker 6: got three really effective right guards. And you know, I'm
59:08
Speaker 6: just really confused about our offensive line, and you guys
59:10
Speaker 6: are so on to the you know, the fact about it.
59:15
Speaker 6: What do you think I mean? And who's the better
59:18
Speaker 6: receiver Thornton or reagor running Rowls hands. I mean, there's
59:24
Speaker 6: so many problems. I just thought, you know, at first,
59:26
Speaker 6: I was optimistic. Now I'm kind of looking at the
59:29
Speaker 6: season and the future, like what's Jared Mayo doing. I'm confused.
59:35
Speaker 6: I guess maybe any insight.
59:38
Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks Bratt, thanks for the call. I understand
59:41
Speaker 2: I understand all your everybody that's a Patriots fan. I
59:44
Speaker 2: totally understand all your frustrations with what's being told to you,
59:48
Speaker 2: and we're just telling you what we see. We're not
59:50
Speaker 2: trying to kill anybody. We're not trying to be negative.
59:53
Speaker 2: If we could come out here and say they had
59:55
Speaker 2: a great day yesterday against Eagles, we would we would,
59:59
Speaker 2: you know. With the with the offensive line, I feel
1:00:01
Speaker 2: like we've beaten that drum a little bit to death
1:00:03
Speaker 2: at this point. I still feel like that the best
1:00:07
Speaker 2: thing to do at this point with their offensive line
1:00:10
Speaker 2: is to elevate Kid and Wallace to left tackle with
1:00:12
Speaker 2: the top group and just sink or swim with with
1:00:15
Speaker 2: some of the younger players that they have in this roster.
1:00:17
Speaker 2: You know, city so second year guy Caden Wallace at
1:00:20
Speaker 2: right or left tackle, excuse me, just let the rookie
1:00:24
Speaker 2: kind of learn on the fly, trial by fire, and
1:00:26
Speaker 2: he's gonna have bumps in the road and it's not
1:00:28
Speaker 2: gonna be pretty at times, I'm sure, but it also
1:00:31
Speaker 2: is not gonna be pretty. Evederian Lowe is the starting
1:00:34
Speaker 2: left tackle either, So I'd rather go with the guy
1:00:36
Speaker 2: that has developmental upside and that you're invested in as
1:00:40
Speaker 2: the future. Enter the Raiger Thornton question. Yeah, I think
1:00:43
Speaker 2: this is a really interesting one because not to hype
1:00:47
Speaker 2: up either player, like either one of them is anything
1:00:49
Speaker 2: special necessarily, but it's interesting to be because they seem
1:00:54
Speaker 2: to be fighting for the same role in the offense
1:00:57
Speaker 2: and sort of the same roster spots result. So I
1:01:01
Speaker 2: had them both on my last fifty three man roster
1:01:04
Speaker 2: projection and I had Booty as the oddoan out, so
1:01:07
Speaker 2: you can go that direction. But either way, only one
1:01:09
Speaker 2: of those guys is actually gonna see real playing time
1:01:12
Speaker 2: in games. It seems to the seesaw to me like
1:01:15
Speaker 2: which one looks better in terms of playing receiver. Obviously
1:01:18
Speaker 2: we know Rager can return, but in terms of actual
1:01:21
Speaker 2: receiver play, there's Rager days and there's Thornton days, and
1:01:24
Speaker 2: it kind of just goes back and forth a little bit.
1:01:26
Speaker 1: But isn't that the tiebreaker? What else can you do?
1:01:28
Speaker 1: And I thought Jalen Rager looked really good as a
1:01:31
Speaker 1: kick returner yesterday against the Eagles.
1:01:33
Speaker 3: So.
1:01:35
Speaker 1: I still think Rager has the edge. I still have
1:01:37
Speaker 1: Booty on because he gives you something different, and I
1:01:40
Speaker 1: know there's some overlap with Jalen Polk, but if they
1:01:42
Speaker 1: want to ease the rookie, and especially if Kendrick Bourne
1:01:44
Speaker 1: is going to start on PUP, I just think it
1:01:47
Speaker 1: makes sense to have Booty on the roster.
1:01:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the biggest reason why I had him off.
1:01:52
Speaker 2: Was more stylistically. I always think I used this analogy
1:01:56
Speaker 2: a lot, but I always think of receivers and cornerback rooms.
1:01:58
Speaker 2: Like basketball teams. You know, you have one through five,
1:02:01
Speaker 2: and you want to have a point guard, shooting guard,
1:02:03
Speaker 2: small forward, power forward, center. You don't want five centers, right,
1:02:07
Speaker 2: you didn't, but you also don't want five point guards.
1:02:11
Speaker 2: So you want to have different types of skill sets
1:02:13
Speaker 2: and different types of body types, you know, inside outside guys,
1:02:17
Speaker 2: you know, different skill sets in general, and to me,
1:02:20
Speaker 2: kish on Booty, it has the same exact skill set
1:02:24
Speaker 2: as Bourne, Osbourne, Polk Baker, like all those guys kind
1:02:29
Speaker 2: of play the game the same way. Similar build, similar
1:02:33
Speaker 2: you know, inside outside versatility, similar route tree, like all
1:02:37
Speaker 2: of it. So he's the fifth receiver if you keep him,
1:02:41
Speaker 2: he's the fifth receiver on the team that plays that way.
1:02:43
Speaker 2: And you have Borne, who when he's healthy, is going
1:02:46
Speaker 2: to play well.
1:02:47
Speaker 1: So I put Booty on, but with the idea that
1:02:51
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I exactly wrote this, But you're
1:02:53
Speaker 1: going to have to open up a roster spot form
1:02:55
Speaker 1: when he comes off pup.
1:02:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, mat right, But you're gonna have just for the
1:03:00
Speaker 2: long term, yeah, because Bourne's gonna play at some point.
1:03:03
Speaker 2: So you have Bourne who's gonna play, yeah, you have
1:03:06
Speaker 2: Osborne who is gonna play, yeah, and then you have
1:03:09
Speaker 2: the Bolt the rookies who are also going to play.
1:03:11
Speaker 2: So we're keeping Kaishan Boudi on the roster to be
1:03:14
Speaker 2: a game day scratch.
1:03:16
Speaker 1: I mean he's basically he's just giving I basically kept
1:03:19
Speaker 1: him because I think he's the best depth option until
1:03:22
Speaker 1: Kendrick Born comes back. Okay, you're saying long term, when
1:03:25
Speaker 1: Kendrick Borne comes back. I mean, if somebody else gets hurt,
1:03:27
Speaker 1: maybe you keep me, keep a bunch of wide receivers.
1:03:29
Speaker 1: But the idea would be like, he's just keeping that
1:03:31
Speaker 1: spot warm Untilkendrick Born.
1:03:32
Speaker 2: Comes Okay, fair enough, Yeah, it could go either way.
1:03:35
Speaker 2: They would. I would say, if I had to lean
1:03:38
Speaker 2: one direction with Raager and Thorton, I would read slight
1:03:42
Speaker 2: Rager right now. The returnability is there, and I do
1:03:45
Speaker 2: think that he's a little bit more consistent in practice
1:03:48
Speaker 2: in terms of his receiver play taekwons is his speed
1:03:52
Speaker 2: plays more like Taekwon's a faster guy, and he his
1:03:56
Speaker 2: vertical like his third level speed is better than Jalenragers
1:04:00
Speaker 2: to actually get down the field and make those plays happen.
1:04:03
Speaker 2: But Rager it seems to me like a little bit
1:04:05
Speaker 2: more consistent and well rounded. So I'd go slight lean
1:04:09
Speaker 2: towards Rager on that one. I wanted before we do
1:04:12
Speaker 2: three up, three down and talk about Thursday night, I
1:04:15
Speaker 2: want to do talk about the defense a little bit
1:04:17
Speaker 2: from yesterday because I realized we got into an hour
1:04:19
Speaker 2: into the show of me screaming about the offense podcast
1:04:22
Speaker 2: and I didn't talk at all about the defense full disclosure,
1:04:27
Speaker 2: do just to watch the defense, and I watched the offense.
1:04:29
Speaker 1: I watched the defense perfect.
1:04:30
Speaker 2: So I'm going to react mostly to what you're telling me.
1:04:34
Speaker 2: But what I saw out of the defense, at least
1:04:36
Speaker 2: on the whole when I was able to kind of
1:04:38
Speaker 2: look over there, was that they were definitely holding their
1:04:43
Speaker 2: own more than the Patriots offense was, and it kind
1:04:46
Speaker 2: of went exactly how you would expect this to go. Now,
1:04:49
Speaker 2: with that being said, I looked over a couple of times,
1:04:51
Speaker 2: and Jalen Hurts was throwing dimes to AJ Brown down
1:04:54
Speaker 2: the field, where I was like, yeah, those two guys
1:04:56
Speaker 2: are still really damn good and that's gonna happen every
1:04:58
Speaker 2: once in a while. But I was wasn't looking over
1:05:01
Speaker 2: there and seeing play, you know, tons and tons of
1:05:03
Speaker 2: plays down the field for the Eagles. But he threw
1:05:06
Speaker 2: one to AJ Brown that I did catch into like
1:05:09
Speaker 2: the honey hole in his zone coverage where he just
1:05:13
Speaker 2: like feathered it over Alex Austin and dropped it in
1:05:16
Speaker 2: a bucket to AJ Brown like an in stride to
1:05:20
Speaker 2: AJ Brown, where I just was like, holy hell, like
1:05:23
Speaker 2: that that right there is like a Pro Bowl caliber
1:05:26
Speaker 2: quarterback and one of the best receivers in the league
1:05:29
Speaker 2: just being too good, like you can't defend that, you know,
1:05:32
Speaker 2: type of thing. But in general, what you know, who
1:05:34
Speaker 2: stood out on the defensive side of the ball.
1:05:37
Speaker 1: So I thought Matthew Judon had a really good practice.
1:05:40
Speaker 1: He was Hurts his pressure quite a bit, some of
1:05:42
Speaker 1: those stories he made he made under duress. I thought
1:05:45
Speaker 1: Patriot's pass rush was good, Judon was good, Gonzalez was better.
1:05:49
Speaker 1: He was really good against AJ Brown in one on ones,
1:05:52
Speaker 1: which stood out, and then they put him more on
1:05:54
Speaker 1: DeVonta Smith in team Yeah, and he was solid. I
1:05:58
Speaker 1: thought he had a definitely that not if he'd had
1:06:02
Speaker 1: that day going up against the Patriots receivers, I'd be
1:06:05
Speaker 1: a little more worried. But to have the day he
1:06:07
Speaker 1: had against a J. Brown Defontet Smith, you feel pretty
1:06:09
Speaker 1: good about it. I thought BYL. Peppers had a pretty
1:06:13
Speaker 1: good day. You know, he was going up against Dallas Goddard,
1:06:16
Speaker 1: had a couple of really physical pass breakups. So you know,
1:06:19
Speaker 1: three of the best players on the defense obviously, no duh.
1:06:21
Speaker 1: I'd say the one guy under the radar Marco Wilson. Yeah,
1:06:24
Speaker 1: was competitive throughout the day, and he's one of the favorites.
1:06:27
Speaker 1: I think he might be the favorite at this point
1:06:29
Speaker 1: for that second boundary spot as long as Jonathan Jones
1:06:32
Speaker 1: out opposite Christian Zalez, and that obviously still a roster
1:06:35
Speaker 1: spot even when Jones comes back. So I those were
1:06:39
Speaker 1: the guys that mainly stood out to me. You know,
1:06:43
Speaker 1: a couple others in there here or there, but but
1:06:45
Speaker 1: Judon was a force, and I thought the defensive front
1:06:48
Speaker 1: as a whole represented well. There were just some times
1:06:51
Speaker 1: that they got pressure and Jalen Hurts made a play anyway,
1:06:53
Speaker 1: and I know that, Like, I think the number was
1:06:55
Speaker 1: like twenty four to twenty seven or something for Jalen Hurts,
1:06:58
Speaker 1: and people say, how did the defense look so good?
1:07:00
Speaker 1: When he completed that many passes? A lot of those
1:07:03
Speaker 1: were like two yard checkdowns. Yeah, a lot of those
1:07:05
Speaker 1: were him just getting the ball out to get the
1:07:06
Speaker 1: ball out. And that's the difference between him and a
1:07:08
Speaker 1: guy like Kober Sat or Drake May. He's under pressure,
1:07:11
Speaker 1: he was able to then handle it and make something
1:07:13
Speaker 1: happen because that's what goold quarterbacks do, even if that's
1:07:15
Speaker 1: something wasn't exciting, but they pressured him a ton yesterday.
1:07:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my biggest takeaways as there was a
1:07:23
Speaker 2: lot of heat on the quarterback.
1:07:24
Speaker 1: And it kind of reminds me. Sorry, you remember the
1:07:26
Speaker 1: Week one game last year where he played decent even
1:07:29
Speaker 1: though like they were in his face the whole game. Yeah, yeah,
1:07:31
Speaker 1: it was kind of like that.
1:07:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's I think Jalen Hurts are really good.
1:07:35
Speaker 2: I think Jalen hurt is going to bounce back this year.
1:07:37
Speaker 2: And he looked like he was going in that. It
1:07:40
Speaker 2: looks like he's on his way to that based off
1:07:42
Speaker 2: of what we saw yesterday. The other thing I would
1:07:45
Speaker 2: just say about what I saw defensively, I agree with
1:07:48
Speaker 2: you with Christian Gonzalez, and I know this is becoming
1:07:50
Speaker 2: a storyline with Christian Gonzalez. He is so far down
1:07:55
Speaker 2: the list of the people I'm worried about with this team,
1:07:58
Speaker 2: and I understand that people are just trying to be objective,
1:08:00
Speaker 2: and he has given up more catches in this camp
1:08:04
Speaker 2: than I feel like he did as a rookie last year.
1:08:07
Speaker 2: But then I went back and looked at my notes
1:08:09
Speaker 2: from the Green Bay joint practice yesterday, and he gave
1:08:14
Speaker 2: up some plays to Christian Watson in those practices in
1:08:17
Speaker 2: Green Bay. Yeah, so maybe I'm just misremembering him so
1:08:23
Speaker 2: not completely, but like overrated his rookie camp just maybe
1:08:26
Speaker 2: a little bit in my eye, in my top of mind.
1:08:30
Speaker 2: And then they got into the regular season and he's
1:08:32
Speaker 2: going toe to toe with AJ Brown and Tyreek Hill
1:08:34
Speaker 2: and Garrett Wilson and he's the rookie of the month. Right, Yeah,
1:08:38
Speaker 2: so I get that. Yes, I agree that he's probably
1:08:40
Speaker 2: given up more catches in this camp than I was expecting.
1:08:43
Speaker 2: And I would also say I totally understand that people
1:08:45
Speaker 2: don't want to crown him yet off of four games
1:08:48
Speaker 2: or really three and a half games from his rookie season.
1:08:51
Speaker 2: But to me, he's one of those guys where when
1:08:54
Speaker 2: the lights turn on for real, like he'll turn on
1:08:57
Speaker 2: for real and right now in practice, he just kind
1:09:01
Speaker 2: of goes to the motions a little bit at times,
1:09:03
Speaker 2: which I don't love, but like it just is his
1:09:05
Speaker 2: personality and he's just not one of these he doesn't
1:09:09
Speaker 2: he's not necessarily like one of those tie law type
1:09:11
Speaker 2: of corners where it's like nobody ever completes a pass
1:09:13
Speaker 2: on me ever, right, Like, he's not necessarily his demeanor.
1:09:17
Speaker 2: So I thought that yesterday he showed well against those
1:09:19
Speaker 2: two receivers, and if that's the type of guy that
1:09:24
Speaker 2: you're getting in game, and when I say show well,
1:09:26
Speaker 2: I feel like he also turned it up maybe a
1:09:29
Speaker 2: notch because he was going up against AJ Brown and
1:09:31
Speaker 2: DeVante Smith and he was like, Okay, I'm gonna treat
1:09:33
Speaker 2: this like it's live, like this is real, and it
1:09:36
Speaker 2: felt like he turned it up a little bit, and
1:09:38
Speaker 2: I thought he was pretty decent. What did you see
1:09:41
Speaker 2: and what have you thought of Keon White?
1:09:43
Speaker 1: So far didn't stand out as much. I mean, he
1:09:46
Speaker 1: was part of the pressure, but didn't I wouldn't say
1:09:49
Speaker 1: he took over like maybe you were waiting for him
1:09:51
Speaker 1: to do that wasn't bad, But I wouldn't. It wasn't
1:09:56
Speaker 1: doesn't like immediately come to mind when I think of
1:09:57
Speaker 1: the best players.
1:09:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's someone that I'm is a little bit
1:10:01
Speaker 2: on my radar because I hear a lot of you know,
1:10:05
Speaker 2: the people in the media tent saying that he's had
1:10:07
Speaker 2: this great summer. And I'll fully admit that we take
1:10:11
Speaker 2: an approach with us with us coverage wise that I
1:10:15
Speaker 2: watch the offense most of the time for most of practice.
1:10:19
Speaker 2: But he is someone that I'm still waiting to see
1:10:23
Speaker 2: some of that finesse out of. And he can go
1:10:27
Speaker 2: through blocks, and I have no doubt about that, he
1:10:30
Speaker 2: can press blocks. I have no doubt about, you know,
1:10:32
Speaker 2: standing up guys and things like that. I just don't
1:10:34
Speaker 2: see him get off blocks a ton.
1:10:36
Speaker 1: You're you're still really on this take. I just I
1:10:39
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's saying he's going to be a top
1:10:42
Speaker 1: five pass rusher in the league.
1:10:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like I'm on the take because in
1:10:45
Speaker 2: order for him to take this leap that I keep
1:10:47
Speaker 2: hearing about, you can't just be a pure like it's
1:10:53
Speaker 2: you can't just be a power rusher, like. He has
1:10:56
Speaker 2: to have other tools in his tool belt for him
1:10:58
Speaker 2: to be as good of a player as I hear
1:11:00
Speaker 2: some people think that he's going to be if even
1:11:04
Speaker 2: if like you know, I think last week we mentioned
1:11:06
Speaker 2: like Trey Flowers. Yeah, like even to get to trade flowers,
1:11:08
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to be more actually tangibly productive than
1:11:14
Speaker 2: what I've seen in practice. Like I just I feel
1:11:17
Speaker 2: like he's a linear athlete, and those types of guys
1:11:20
Speaker 2: that don't move well laterally and don't have a ton
1:11:23
Speaker 2: of wiggle or finesse or whatever you want to call
1:11:26
Speaker 2: it or fluidity with their movements, those are guys that
1:11:30
Speaker 2: get eat up a lot by blocks. Like you're just
1:11:32
Speaker 2: gonna get kind of run into the line of scrimmage
1:11:34
Speaker 2: and he just kind of gets swallowed, you know. Half
1:11:36
Speaker 2: the time, I'm just not there with Keon White. I
1:11:40
Speaker 2: don't know. I hear a lot of hype about him.
1:11:42
Speaker 2: I want to be there. I want to see it.
1:11:44
Speaker 2: I want to be like this guy is gonna take
1:11:46
Speaker 2: over for Judaan and like make Judon expendable and just
1:11:49
Speaker 2: trade out.
1:11:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he's like a takeover for Judon guy.
1:11:52
Speaker 1: I don't think they have that guy. I guess ideally
1:11:53
Speaker 1: be joshu Ja. For me, it's like Tetrikwi's a little
1:11:56
Speaker 1: bit older, contracts almost up, Like it's more that role
1:12:00
Speaker 1: for me, Like he's more of that kind of player.
1:12:01
Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right, Corey is in Charlotte. What's up? Corey? Hey?
1:12:11
Speaker 4: How you doing?
1:12:12
Speaker 3: A good question? What do you guys think about? Like
1:12:15
Speaker 3: just I know you mentioned Drake may is like it's
1:12:19
Speaker 3: an incomplete grade on and I agree with that. I
1:12:21
Speaker 3: think because he's just not surrounded by better players, like
1:12:27
Speaker 3: just just starting with the ones on the old line,
1:12:30
Speaker 3: starting with the ones with the wire Receiven tight ends
1:12:33
Speaker 3: and just let's let's just see what we got, because
1:12:35
Speaker 3: I mean, we know what we know what PRIs set is,
1:12:37
Speaker 3: we know what Bailey is. Like, I'm still shot Bailey
1:12:41
Speaker 3: is still on it on the roster after that game
1:12:44
Speaker 3: against the Panther, playing against guys who's gonna work at Walmart,
1:12:48
Speaker 3: Like that's been unacceptable. And also because of Joe Joe
1:12:52
Speaker 3: milsaying his skill set like put him I want to
1:12:55
Speaker 3: see him with the one wide receivers in old line,
1:12:58
Speaker 3: just see what we got, because I I do believe
1:13:01
Speaker 3: some players really just shine when they already surrounded by
1:13:05
Speaker 3: just better players.
1:13:07
Speaker 4: And what do you.
1:13:08
Speaker 3: Guys think about the d overall against the Eagles one yesterday?
1:13:12
Speaker 3: And I go there.
1:13:14
Speaker 2: All right, thanks to Corey, thanks for the call. Look,
1:13:16
Speaker 2: I I you're preaching the choir about Drake Bay getting
1:13:19
Speaker 2: some reps with the Ones, and I want to reiterate
1:13:22
Speaker 2: that to me, him getting reps with the Ones has
1:13:23
Speaker 2: nothing to do with him starting Week one, Like we're
1:13:25
Speaker 2: not We're right, we're too far past that point the
1:13:28
Speaker 2: door never you said this earlier about like the offensive line,
1:13:32
Speaker 2: and we're kind of at that point. We're at the
1:13:34
Speaker 2: point now where Drake May starting early on in the
1:13:37
Speaker 2: season or week one is off the table, Like it's
1:13:39
Speaker 2: too late. He is not playing Week one against against Cincinnati.
1:13:43
Speaker 2: What I'm more looking at it now is, okay, you
1:13:46
Speaker 2: know he's been in here since May, since the draft
1:13:48
Speaker 2: rooking Mini camp ota is mini camp, training camp, preseason game.
1:13:54
Speaker 2: Where's he at?
1:13:56
Speaker 1: Like?
1:13:56
Speaker 2: Can we just get a barometer of a met stick
1:14:00
Speaker 2: to try to like measure up of where is he
1:14:03
Speaker 2: is he only is he not even close? Is he
1:14:08
Speaker 2: seventy five percent? There is the eighty ninety whatever? I
1:14:11
Speaker 2: don't know because of who he's working with and what's
1:14:14
Speaker 2: going on around him. So if you can get him
1:14:16
Speaker 2: some reps in practice with the ones towards the end
1:14:18
Speaker 2: of training camp here and going into the regular season
1:14:21
Speaker 2: before they really need to give everything to Jacoe Brissett
1:14:24
Speaker 2: because he's gonna be playing in the games. Let's give
1:14:27
Speaker 2: him some opportunities now. Again, not to even talk about
1:14:30
Speaker 2: him starting, but just to get to a point where
1:14:33
Speaker 2: we can feel like we have some information about where
1:14:36
Speaker 2: he's at. Maybe they're looking at the preseason games as that,
1:14:38
Speaker 2: and maybe you know, this week, tomorrow and next Thursday,
1:14:42
Speaker 2: we'll get like a really good look at him in
1:14:43
Speaker 2: the preseason. He'll play thirty snaps or something like that,
1:14:46
Speaker 2: and that's where we'll go. But you're preaching to the
1:14:48
Speaker 2: choir with that want to do three up, three down?
1:14:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well go one, we're calling up.
1:14:53
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get down in a second. Let's do three up,
1:14:57
Speaker 2: three down. We'll do the ups first and then we'll
1:14:59
Speaker 2: take some of these other calls that are coming in
1:15:00
Speaker 2: and then we'll go go to the downs. This is
1:15:03
Speaker 2: sort of like a for me, this is kind of
1:15:06
Speaker 2: like going back to the last like week, right, Like
1:15:10
Speaker 2: I don't want to base it off of just one
1:15:11
Speaker 2: practice or whatever. It's obviously the preseason game too, but
1:15:15
Speaker 2: so let's call it the last like week of Patriots. Okay, football.
1:15:19
Speaker 1: I weighed the last couple of days a little more,
1:15:21
Speaker 1: but that's fine.
1:15:23
Speaker 2: My number one up, Pop Douglas. Yep, I think the
1:15:25
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas has come alive. No more red non contact jersey.
1:15:29
Speaker 2: He's been At times he's been literally unguardable, like like
1:15:34
Speaker 2: just especially in the slot on like the quick hitting
1:15:36
Speaker 2: stuff over the middle. He's been truly a breath of
1:15:40
Speaker 2: fresh air, like actually explosive, energetic receiver and has been
1:15:44
Speaker 2: opened a ton and and Kobe Brissett just continues to
1:15:48
Speaker 2: feed him like he's like, all right, this is obvious
1:15:50
Speaker 2: that I'm going where I'm going with the football here.
1:15:53
Speaker 2: I really excited what I've seen. How to pop. I
1:15:55
Speaker 2: still think that the two biggest things though with him
1:15:57
Speaker 2: not to make everything all, you know, constantly go negative
1:16:00
Speaker 2: on everything. What's his early down roll? Yeah, first and
1:16:04
Speaker 2: ten from the twenty five and they want to run
1:16:05
Speaker 2: the ball, Like, what, how does he get on the field?
1:16:08
Speaker 2: What's how does he factor into a twelve personnel? Is
1:16:11
Speaker 2: it just we're gonna put him out in the field
1:16:13
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have him run jet sweeps and things
1:16:15
Speaker 2: like that, and that's how we're gonna avoid him having
1:16:17
Speaker 2: to block anybody for real? Or that's fine, But what's
1:16:21
Speaker 2: his early down roll and how do you feed him
1:16:24
Speaker 2: and keep him healthy? Right? Like that does that's a
1:16:26
Speaker 2: big thing too. But in terms of actually on the
1:16:28
Speaker 2: field with these with the production on the field in practice,
1:16:33
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas has been on the rise for sure.
1:16:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been excellent. Matt Dolff had a great line
1:16:38
Speaker 1: that he's no longer wearing on contact jersey, but it
1:16:41
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter because nobody can touch him anyway. Yeah,
1:16:43
Speaker 1: the way he's running routes, he's been excellent. It's just
1:16:46
Speaker 1: how he gets on the field and how he stays
1:16:47
Speaker 1: on the field, that's the only question. If he stays healthy,
1:16:49
Speaker 1: he can be a thousand yard receiver. But he's gonna
1:16:51
Speaker 1: stay healthy.
1:16:51
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, who's number two?
1:16:53
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say so, I'm gonna replace Pop in mind
1:16:56
Speaker 1: because I had like a fourth, So we'll can't pop
1:16:57
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, I'm gonna say Matthew Judo, Okay. I've
1:17:01
Speaker 1: been really impressed with him. He's been good. He's had
1:17:04
Speaker 1: a couple of good practices at good practice yesterday. He's
1:17:07
Speaker 1: clearly very involved, very engaged. He's playing with a ton
1:17:11
Speaker 1: of effort for a guy that's in his situation. I mean,
1:17:14
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know it. You would think the way he's
1:17:16
Speaker 1: practicing right now. The contract situation was solved, and from
1:17:19
Speaker 1: where we were three weeks ago, that's something. Now, what
1:17:24
Speaker 1: this ultimately turns into in terms of his future, I
1:17:26
Speaker 1: don't know, but boys, he had a good week and
1:17:30
Speaker 1: a half of camp. Just objectively as a football player,
1:17:33
Speaker 1: he's done everything you want to say.
1:17:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like his energy that he is coming back,
1:17:38
Speaker 2: Like I feel like when the contract stuff, really when
1:17:41
Speaker 2: s really hit the fan with all that, he didn't
1:17:44
Speaker 2: feel or seemed like Matthew judont to me in terms
1:17:47
Speaker 2: of his energy and what he was bringing to the
1:17:49
Speaker 2: table and that respect looks like he's back into that mindset.
1:17:54
Speaker 2: Almost makes you wonder if there is something that's been
1:17:56
Speaker 2: agreed to in handshake agreement about.
1:17:58
Speaker 1: It We've been saying that for weeks, like maybe it's
1:18:00
Speaker 1: coming at.
1:18:00
Speaker 2: The end of camp or something. I don't know, Like
1:18:03
Speaker 2: it's just odd that all of a sudden he just
1:18:05
Speaker 2: is on board, you know, Like, yeah, I still know
1:18:07
Speaker 2: if he's fully on board, Like sometimes I look at
1:18:10
Speaker 2: him and I still feel like a little bit of
1:18:13
Speaker 2: trepidation from him. But he's certainly much much better. His
1:18:18
Speaker 2: attitude is much better than where it was the beginning
1:18:20
Speaker 2: of camp. So that's Number one for you is Judon, Yeah, okay,
1:18:26
Speaker 2: Number two for me is Jeremiah Farms. I just wanted
1:18:28
Speaker 2: to give him a shout out for the game last week.
1:18:30
Speaker 2: Mostly Yeah, five quarterback pressures, awes sack, two stuffs, two
1:18:35
Speaker 2: drawn holds on back to back plays in that game.
1:18:38
Speaker 2: He was everywhere. He was the best player on the
1:18:40
Speaker 2: field for the Patriots defense in a game where they
1:18:42
Speaker 2: dominated defensively. He was excellent. He's on the team. I
1:18:46
Speaker 2: don't think that's the question. Yeah, he's gonna make the team,
1:18:49
Speaker 2: and maybe they have something with him there. He can play.
1:18:52
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily put him over the nose all the time.
1:18:56
Speaker 2: I think he's more better stuited to play three technique
1:18:59
Speaker 2: and the type of scheme that they want to run.
1:19:01
Speaker 2: But I was really impressed with him on film and
1:19:04
Speaker 2: during the game live too, and I just feel like
1:19:06
Speaker 2: he's he's a menace, Like he's really stepped up. We'll
1:19:09
Speaker 2: see what it looks like in the regular season. And
1:19:11
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to tell you that it's one for one. Oh,
1:19:14
Speaker 2: don't worry about Christian Barmore. Now, it's fine, But I
1:19:17
Speaker 2: do feel like they needed somebody to come out of
1:19:19
Speaker 2: the woodwork a little bit step up for Christian Barmore,
1:19:21
Speaker 2: and Jeremiah Farms has taken that opportunity.
1:19:24
Speaker 1: All right. So this one mine's basically based off of
1:19:26
Speaker 1: practice yesterday. Yeah, kickoff unit. They gave the Eagles hell
1:19:32
Speaker 1: and and look this rule. So you this rule is
1:19:35
Speaker 1: too new for me to know if this is more
1:19:38
Speaker 1: the Eagles being bad at it or the Patriots being
1:19:40
Speaker 1: good at it. But they had what six kickoffs during
1:19:42
Speaker 1: that period? Yeap one ray Kwon Ricmillan comes down the
1:19:45
Speaker 1: field force as a fumble. They had another didn't like
1:19:48
Speaker 1: that too much where they well get to that. They
1:19:51
Speaker 1: had another where they like line drives squibbed it and
1:19:55
Speaker 1: the the way the ball is spinning and where it
1:19:58
Speaker 1: landed relative the returners. The returner was so disoriented he
1:20:01
Speaker 1: picked up the ball and along the sideline. His next
1:20:04
Speaker 1: step was out of bounds at the two yard line,
1:20:06
Speaker 1: so you set the defense up at the two, and
1:20:09
Speaker 1: then they had another squib kick that looked like it
1:20:11
Speaker 1: was gonna do the same thing, and I think the
1:20:13
Speaker 1: Eagles just the frustration boiled over because he got a
1:20:16
Speaker 1: little bit of a shoving match there. Chapping happened right
1:20:18
Speaker 1: in front of Robert Kraft while he was live on
1:20:20
Speaker 1: the Sports Hub, which made for good radio. But yeah,
1:20:24
Speaker 1: it was they. I think they threw some things that
1:20:28
Speaker 1: the Eagles that the Eagles weren't expecting, and that's encouraging.
1:20:30
Speaker 1: And even on kick return too, ray Quan McMillan did
1:20:32
Speaker 1: a big block. Jamichael Hasey laid somebody out, which he's
1:20:36
Speaker 1: not a big guy.
1:20:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it seemed to me like the Eagles
1:20:39
Speaker 2: were reacting to. Is ray Kwan McMillan leveled somebody and
1:20:43
Speaker 2: it was maybe he was maybe at one percent and
1:20:46
Speaker 2: everybody else was at one hundred. Fine, yeah, no, I'm
1:20:49
Speaker 2: gonna say it's a bad thing. I'm I think that's why.
1:20:51
Speaker 1: No, But then you had that other one where it
1:20:52
Speaker 1: was like a perfectly placed squib kick, because some people
1:20:54
Speaker 1: will say, well, why not just let it roll out
1:20:56
Speaker 1: of bounds if it's that close to the sideline. One
1:20:59
Speaker 1: those low kicks, you don't have as much time to
1:21:02
Speaker 1: react and you maybe lose track of where you are
1:21:04
Speaker 1: on the field. Yeah, the other thing that's important to remember,
1:21:07
Speaker 1: if the ball goes into like directly into the end
1:21:10
Speaker 1: zone or through the end zone, it's a touch back
1:21:13
Speaker 1: to the thirty. If the ball lands in the landing
1:21:17
Speaker 1: zone then goes into the end zone and you kneel
1:21:20
Speaker 1: on it or whatever, the touchback only goes to the twenty.
1:21:24
Speaker 1: So where the ball was rolling, it wasn't necessarily going
1:21:28
Speaker 1: to roll out of bounds. It was probably going to
1:21:29
Speaker 1: roll into the end zone just inside the pipeline. So
1:21:32
Speaker 1: you probably want to feel that because you don't want
1:21:35
Speaker 1: to start all the way back at the twenty. But again,
1:21:38
Speaker 1: I don't think the guy knew where he was on
1:21:39
Speaker 1: the field because the ball got to him so quick
1:21:41
Speaker 1: and he's running, sprinting to get there that he steps
1:21:45
Speaker 1: out of bounds. So Patriots kickoff unit came ready yesterday.
1:21:48
Speaker 1: They were good.
1:21:51
Speaker 2: Jeremy Springer up. Sure sounds like some of those things
1:21:54
Speaker 2: where maybe things that they wanted to try out schematically, right,
1:21:58
Speaker 2: like squid kicks and things like that. That's not something
1:22:01
Speaker 2: you did. The players are just doing on the flyout.
1:22:03
Speaker 1: They've been that. That's that's a call. Yeah, and it's
1:22:07
Speaker 1: They're not the only team that's tried that. I mean,
1:22:08
Speaker 1: this is We've seen a lot of teams try these things.
1:22:10
Speaker 1: But it just I thought the execution was really good yesterday.
1:22:14
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, Jemy Springer up. I love it.
1:22:17
Speaker 1: Uh.
1:22:18
Speaker 2: My third is Leyden Robinson. Okay, I think Laban Robinson
1:22:22
Speaker 2: has been the best of the rest, if you want
1:22:26
Speaker 2: to call him that. I hate to call it that way,
1:22:27
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, take Andrews and on WHENU and like
1:22:31
Speaker 2: you know, you know this the stal warts out of it, right,
1:22:33
Speaker 2: like the the entrenched starters out of it, looking at
1:22:35
Speaker 2: that next wave of offensive linemen of who might be
1:22:38
Speaker 2: able to step up and push for playing time and
1:22:40
Speaker 2: uh maybe make this thing better. Yeah, Leyden Robinson, I
1:22:44
Speaker 2: thought it was great in the game last Thursday night.
1:22:46
Speaker 2: Really showed well, very physical, played through the whistle, finished
1:22:51
Speaker 2: blocks in the run game, held up well in pass
1:22:53
Speaker 2: pro gave up just a hurry and pass protection and
1:22:56
Speaker 2: a lot of snaps. He actually played I think the
1:22:58
Speaker 2: most snaps out of anybody on the team offensively last week.
1:23:02
Speaker 2: And then it was okay yesterday, won a couple reps
1:23:04
Speaker 2: in one on ones against the Eagles, who kind of
1:23:07
Speaker 2: dominated the one on ones and two v twos. I
1:23:09
Speaker 2: thought Leyden Robinson was was solid. It's hard to tell
1:23:12
Speaker 2: with the second unit in practice because there's a lot
1:23:15
Speaker 2: going on around him that's not very good. But he's
1:23:19
Speaker 2: been okay so far. And I know I didn't put
1:23:23
Speaker 2: him on the downs list, but cityso has been a
1:23:25
Speaker 2: little bit on my radar. I didn't think he was
1:23:28
Speaker 2: great in the game last week, kind of was playing
1:23:30
Speaker 2: a little out of control and just missed some blocks
1:23:33
Speaker 2: and things like that. And it wasn't great yesterday either.
1:23:36
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like against the Eagles. So, whether it's
1:23:40
Speaker 2: on Window going out to right tackle, whether it's Leyden
1:23:43
Speaker 2: Robinson starting to compete more levely, you know, So has
1:23:49
Speaker 2: kind of been entrenched there at left guard since day one.
1:23:52
Speaker 2: Maybe Leyden Robinson starts to push him a little bit.
1:23:55
Speaker 2: Maybe that, you know, makes both guys better, right, Hopefully,
1:23:58
Speaker 2: iron sharp and iron. So I've liked what I've seen
1:24:00
Speaker 2: from Laydon Robinson. I think they may have found it's
1:24:05
Speaker 2: easier to find interior guys later in the draft, like
1:24:08
Speaker 2: on when he was a sixth round pick, Dave Anders undrafted, like,
1:24:11
Speaker 2: it's easy to do that. So maybe they found something
1:24:14
Speaker 2: with Laydon Robinson as a fourth round pick.
1:24:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's he's shown some progress, and then the
1:24:19
Speaker 1: question is just when and how do you get him
1:24:21
Speaker 1: in the lineup because the interior has been fine? And
1:24:24
Speaker 1: are you moving Michael and Wennu what happens when Cole
1:24:26
Speaker 1: Strange comes back? It's just moving pieces. But he looks
1:24:29
Speaker 1: like a guy that will probably get some run at
1:24:30
Speaker 1: some point this year.
1:24:31
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, who's your third?
1:24:33
Speaker 1: My third, Romandro Stevenson.
1:24:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think he's.
1:24:36
Speaker 1: Moving really well. Anybody who watches this show or any
1:24:41
Speaker 1: of my shows knows one of my big pet peeves
1:24:43
Speaker 1: with the team. One of my biggest pet peeves with
1:24:45
Speaker 1: the team the last few years was the over usage
1:24:48
Speaker 1: of Vermandra Stevenson. And I don't mean that to say
1:24:51
Speaker 1: he's a bad player, because he's not. But any of
1:24:54
Speaker 1: these running but you look at these running back dominant teams.
1:24:56
Speaker 1: They always fall off late in the year because in
1:24:58
Speaker 1: the modern NFL it's just so hard to maintain that level.
1:25:02
Speaker 1: And Stevenson was top ten in touches two years ago.
1:25:05
Speaker 1: He was top ten in touches last year before he
1:25:07
Speaker 1: got hurt. And he told us at the end of
1:25:09
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two season that it was getting to him,
1:25:13
Speaker 1: like physically, the workload was impacting him. And you know,
1:25:17
Speaker 1: he missed what month month and a half at the
1:25:19
Speaker 1: end of last year, with so a little extra time
1:25:22
Speaker 1: to kind of heal up, take care of his body
1:25:25
Speaker 1: things like that. I think he said he didn't lose weight,
1:25:28
Speaker 1: but redistributed it less body fat, more muscle, whatever it is.
1:25:31
Speaker 1: He looks a little more lean, and he's just getting
1:25:35
Speaker 1: in and out of cuts a little quicker. Things like that.
1:25:37
Speaker 1: He's got a little extra something in his step. He
1:25:39
Speaker 1: just looks healthy again. And I think that's good because
1:25:42
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see a better version. I've said
1:25:44
Speaker 1: this before. If it's one hundred and eighty touches versus
1:25:48
Speaker 1: two fifty, and I'm just using round numbers here, but
1:25:52
Speaker 1: like it's not that necessarily I want him touching the
1:25:55
Speaker 1: ball less because I think he's bad, but I think
1:25:57
Speaker 1: you get more bang for your buck. I think ultimately
1:26:01
Speaker 1: those one hundred and eighty or two hundred touches have
1:26:04
Speaker 1: more value than two fifty the four to five touches
1:26:06
Speaker 1: a game that could maybe go to another running back.
1:26:09
Speaker 1: Those add up by the time you get to like
1:26:11
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving in December and into January. They have Antonio Gibson now,
1:26:15
Speaker 1: who I think is a strong second option who I
1:26:17
Speaker 1: think the coaching staff will be willing to use. So
1:26:20
Speaker 1: I think they're in a better position to manage his
1:26:23
Speaker 1: workload better. I still think he's gonna be an important
1:26:25
Speaker 1: part of the offense. I still think he's gonna be
1:26:26
Speaker 1: very involved. But you know, I go back to the
1:26:28
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy game in twenty twenty two against the Lions
1:26:31
Speaker 1: where they were up three scores with like three or
1:26:33
Speaker 1: four minutes to go. Game's over, yeah, and they're just
1:26:35
Speaker 1: running half back dive or duo or whatever it was
1:26:38
Speaker 1: with Ramondre Stevenson, and he's taking big hits, and it's like,
1:26:41
Speaker 1: can Kevin Harris not do this? Like he doesn't need
1:26:44
Speaker 1: to be taking these big hits and the game is over.
1:26:47
Speaker 1: I feel like He's gotten a good chance to heal
1:26:49
Speaker 1: up after two very rough years, and I think that
1:26:52
Speaker 1: bodes well for him this season.
1:26:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's looked good, and I feel like Antonio Gibson
1:26:56
Speaker 2: has looked as advertising.
1:26:58
Speaker 1: He's looked pretty good too.
1:26:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, I think both those guys are trending in
1:27:03
Speaker 2: the right direction for the season. And Ramano Stevenson to
1:27:06
Speaker 2: me just looks a little bit more like he was
1:27:09
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago breaking tackles. You know, in
1:27:11
Speaker 2: that preseason game, he bounces one outside, breaks the tackle
1:27:14
Speaker 2: eleven yards, Like those were the types of runs that
1:27:16
Speaker 2: he was making two years ago, you know, in twenty
1:27:20
Speaker 2: two at the beginning, and then in twenty one even
1:27:22
Speaker 2: when he was getting those opportunities, and then last year
1:27:25
Speaker 2: his yards after contact numbers plummeted. They were just terrible,
1:27:30
Speaker 2: like a full yard less than what it was the year.
1:27:32
Speaker 1: And I think it was just physically he was worn down.
1:27:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know some of that was like he
1:27:37
Speaker 2: was getting contacted earlier in the play. And I have
1:27:39
Speaker 2: all the fancy next gen stats that I could probably
1:27:42
Speaker 2: like rid him a blame of everything from last year,
1:27:45
Speaker 2: right with his production, but his yards per his yards
1:27:50
Speaker 2: per carry average. Ye, just the raw number was one
1:27:54
Speaker 2: yard less exactly, and then his yards after contact was
1:27:59
Speaker 2: one yard less exist So there you go. He wasn't
1:28:02
Speaker 2: breaking tackles the last year. He wasn't finishing runs last year,
1:28:06
Speaker 2: and I hopefully he's getting back to that way.
1:28:08
Speaker 1: I think you might see him He had a good
1:28:09
Speaker 1: stiff arm in the in the preseason game. But I
1:28:10
Speaker 1: think you might see him start running around guys more
1:28:14
Speaker 1: as much as through them, just because he looks a
1:28:16
Speaker 1: little quicker and it keeps you healthier.
1:28:18
Speaker 2: So yeah, see, I love it. All right, let's do downs,
1:28:20
Speaker 2: then we'll answer the calls and we'll talk about tomorrow night.
1:28:23
Speaker 2: My number one down uh to me? Right now, the
1:28:27
Speaker 2: three most important figures in the Patriots organization are all down.
1:28:32
Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf, Grod Mayo, Alex van Pelt. We gotta be better,
1:28:36
Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf. The tackles are on you, okay. We've been
1:28:39
Speaker 2: talking about it since March. I gave you a chance,
1:28:43
Speaker 2: I gave you my trust. I said, I will allow
1:28:46
Speaker 2: you to show me that chuk sikora For is going
1:28:49
Speaker 2: to be viable, and show me that Mike on When
1:28:51
Speaker 2: is a right tackle. I was skeptical, but I allowed
1:28:54
Speaker 2: for it not working. Right, your plan's not working already
1:29:00
Speaker 2: back to right tackle? On when who's already back to
1:29:02
Speaker 2: right guard? You lied to me? Okay? I feel hurt
1:29:06
Speaker 2: by that. Okay, down, Drod. Mayo to me is down
1:29:10
Speaker 2: mainly because I feel like it's a little Felger and Mazzie,
1:29:15
Speaker 2: But I kind of agree with them on this. I've
1:29:18
Speaker 2: like stopped deflecting blame to AVP. Like he gets up
1:29:22
Speaker 2: there and he and they ask him about the reps
1:29:24
Speaker 2: for the quarterbacks and he's like, well, that's like an
1:29:26
Speaker 2: AVP question.
1:29:27
Speaker 1: I think Alex van Pelt's the head coach of the offense.
1:29:29
Speaker 1: I think it's that kind of setup.
1:29:30
Speaker 2: And he said that, but like, you guys still need
1:29:33
Speaker 2: to be on the same page. Well, like the communication
1:29:35
Speaker 2: still needs to be there of why this is happening.
1:29:37
Speaker 1: Or what I would say is, at what point, if
1:29:40
Speaker 1: it's clearly not working, does Mayo go to Alex van
1:29:43
Speaker 1: Pelt and say, I'm the head coach? Change it? Yeah?
1:29:45
Speaker 2: Right?
1:29:45
Speaker 1: At what point? And in addition to the quarterback reps
1:29:48
Speaker 1: with the offensive line? I wonder if there's a point
1:29:50
Speaker 1: Mayo goes and says, I don't know what you're doing Like,
1:29:52
Speaker 1: I've given you a chance to try this. Put Mike
1:29:55
Speaker 1: back out at right tackle, get Lane Robinson in there,
1:29:58
Speaker 1: get the rookie in a left tackle, or get Calum
1:30:00
Speaker 1: Anderson and left tackle, Like you need to do something different.
1:30:02
Speaker 1: This group isn't the answer.
1:30:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it whether he wants it's fair. And I actually
1:30:09
Speaker 2: I understand where he's coming from with the offense. He's
1:30:13
Speaker 2: not an offensive guy, right, He's a green head coach.
1:30:15
Speaker 2: He's first year head coach. And I actually kind of
1:30:18
Speaker 2: like that he knows his limitations, right, Like he knows
1:30:21
Speaker 2: that he's not trying to coach offense, Like he knows
1:30:24
Speaker 2: that that's not his side of the football. But to
1:30:26
Speaker 2: your point, like the buck stops with him at the
1:30:28
Speaker 2: end of the day, and when things aren't working, it
1:30:31
Speaker 2: is his job to supervise the people that he put
1:30:34
Speaker 2: in charge to run things. And right now I don't
1:30:36
Speaker 2: feel like he's being a very good supervisor, if that
1:30:39
Speaker 2: makes sense. Yeah, yeah, okay, And then AVP. I don't
1:30:44
Speaker 2: know what's going on with the quarterbacks. I don't know
1:30:45
Speaker 2: why Drake may is not playing in preseason games. I
1:30:48
Speaker 2: have no idea what's going on with the offensive line.
1:30:50
Speaker 2: That's a train wreck. All of it just seems like
1:30:54
Speaker 2: a mess right now. The procedural penalties that the nine
1:30:57
Speaker 2: penalties I said yesterday, the bots as this is not
1:31:01
Speaker 2: gonna cut it, this is this is not it. So
1:31:04
Speaker 2: he's on the down most.
1:31:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I kind of phrased this differently. I was
1:31:07
Speaker 1: just gonna say, like the plan, Yeah, the plan on offense,
1:31:10
Speaker 1: going back to march, going back to free agency and
1:31:14
Speaker 1: all of it. Yeah, the things we spend hours about
1:31:16
Speaker 1: on the show in terms of the tackles and things
1:31:20
Speaker 1: like that, like the personnel plan is coming up short
1:31:24
Speaker 1: right now.
1:31:24
Speaker 2: I have a very simple rule. Do you and I
1:31:27
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time on this kind of stuff.
1:31:29
Speaker 2: We're probably a little bit more educated on it than most,
1:31:32
Speaker 2: But we are not coaches and we are not general managers.
1:31:35
Speaker 2: If we can see the train and we're standing on
1:31:37
Speaker 2: the tracks and the train is coming and we can
1:31:39
Speaker 2: see it coming and they can't, that's a problem because
1:31:42
Speaker 2: you and I are not general managers. We're not Elliott Wolf.
1:31:47
Speaker 2: We weren't raised by our father, who was a Hall
1:31:50
Speaker 2: of Fame general manager and has been in the league
1:31:52
Speaker 2: for twenty years scouting, right, and we're not Drod Mayo,
1:31:55
Speaker 2: who is a pro bowler and then a head coach.
1:31:57
Speaker 2: And we're not at that level. We get that here.
1:32:00
Speaker 2: Some people think we don't, but we get it. We're
1:32:02
Speaker 2: not on their level. But so have us.
1:32:04
Speaker 1: Simpleton, you're telling me all those hours I've logged on
1:32:06
Speaker 1: mad and mean nothing. Yes, that's fair.
1:32:09
Speaker 2: If us simple folk down here can tell you that
1:32:14
Speaker 2: this tackle depth chart ain't gonna work in an NFL game,
1:32:19
Speaker 2: then you should know it's not going to work. And
1:32:21
Speaker 2: now if you're gonna sit here and tell me be patient,
1:32:24
Speaker 2: Calvin Banks Junior's coming, Will Campbell's coming, Like that's gonna
1:32:28
Speaker 2: be the plan. We're gonna worry about this next year.
1:32:31
Speaker 2: I hear you. But you still need to be at
1:32:33
Speaker 2: a point where you're functional enough at the rest of the.
1:32:36
Speaker 1: Audiene stop gap. You know who they need. Ironically, and
1:32:39
Speaker 1: I kind of wrote this last night in my mail bag,
1:32:42
Speaker 1: and I'm actually curious what you think of this. Yeah,
1:32:44
Speaker 1: and I know we got a couple more calls to get,
1:32:46
Speaker 1: so I'll try to be quick with this. But somebody
1:32:48
Speaker 1: asked me, is it an organizational failure? The Patriots have
1:32:52
Speaker 1: need at least one starting tackle since twenty nineteen and
1:32:54
Speaker 1: refused to address it. And yes, yes, and no, I
1:32:59
Speaker 1: don't know that they refuse to address it. I think
1:33:01
Speaker 1: this all goes back to eighteen.
1:33:03
Speaker 2: In eighteen, so Nate Solder leaves after the twenty seventeen season,
1:33:05
Speaker 2: right yep. In eighteen, they draft Isaiah Win to be
1:33:08
Speaker 2: the left tackle, and they signed Trent Brown as or
1:33:11
Speaker 2: they trade for Trent Brown whatever it was, as an
1:33:13
Speaker 2: insurance plan, and Isaiah Win blows out his achilles in
1:33:16
Speaker 2: the preseason. Trent Brown gives them really good left tackle
1:33:20
Speaker 2: play in twenty eighteen.
1:33:21
Speaker 1: All right, they move on from Brown. We drafted Isaiah Win.
1:33:24
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily blame them for not adding another tackle
1:33:27
Speaker 1: in that window because you used a first round pick
1:33:29
Speaker 1: on this guy, and the goal was for him to
1:33:32
Speaker 1: be the left tackle and they wanted to give him
1:33:33
Speaker 1: a chance. So that's nineteen. That's twenty. They bring Trent
1:33:37
Speaker 1: Brown back, and this is where you maybe go to
1:33:40
Speaker 1: the organizational failure of it. Beyond the player development of
1:33:43
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win. Trent Brown almost became a binkie. They couldn't
1:33:47
Speaker 1: quit Trent Brown. We have Trent Brown as an option
1:33:50
Speaker 1: in our back pocket, and I kind of understand it,
1:33:52
Speaker 1: and I get it, and well that's going. They didn't
1:33:55
Speaker 1: do that for nothing. They did it because they had
1:33:57
Speaker 1: They needed to address quarterback, they need to address receiver,
1:34:00
Speaker 1: they needed to address corner, and they basically were able
1:34:03
Speaker 1: to continuously say, we have Trent Brown for now, we
1:34:07
Speaker 1: have other significant needs. Let's address the other significant needs,
1:34:12
Speaker 1: and we have Trent Brown in our back pocket. And
1:34:14
Speaker 1: what you're seeing that they don't have a Trent Brown now.
1:34:17
Speaker 1: They continue to address other needs. Quarterback, receiver, were needs.
1:34:22
Speaker 1: They addressed those, they try to address them a receiver
1:34:25
Speaker 1: to a bigger extent. In terms of free agency, I
1:34:27
Speaker 1: think they went all in on Calvin Ridley and maybe
1:34:29
Speaker 1: let some other free agents go, but there is no
1:34:33
Speaker 1: Trent Brown to come save them. And I think that's
1:34:35
Speaker 1: why they're in this spot now because maybe it was
1:34:37
Speaker 1: supposed to be Riley Reef, maybe it was supposed to
1:34:39
Speaker 1: be Calvin Anderson, the guys they signed last year. That
1:34:43
Speaker 1: that to me is how they ended up in this spot.
1:34:45
Speaker 1: They didn't have that veteran in their back pocket. Maybe
1:34:49
Speaker 1: the veterans they thought they were gonna have chookes of
1:34:51
Speaker 1: corps for were never realistically going to be on that level.
1:34:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really a fair point with Trent Brown
1:34:58
Speaker 2: because I almost couldn't quit him either, because when he's on,
1:35:03
Speaker 2: he's When he's on, he's great. Yeah. His tape is
1:35:06
Speaker 2: like top twenty left tackle in the NFL.
1:35:09
Speaker 1: And I think it was always there was never a
1:35:10
Speaker 1: ton of competition because teams didn't want to deal with him. Yeah,
1:35:13
Speaker 1: and there was always a lot like they were just
1:35:15
Speaker 1: they were perfect for each other.
1:35:17
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and he's not a bad player when when
1:35:20
Speaker 2: he's mentally locked in and he's focused. So it is
1:35:23
Speaker 2: you see it and you're like, okay, you know, I
1:35:25
Speaker 2: if we can keep him on the rails, like I
1:35:26
Speaker 2: get it the one and let me.
1:35:28
Speaker 1: Just that's not necessarily me saying they should have resigned
1:35:31
Speaker 1: Trent Brown. Yeah, but it's how did we get to it?
1:35:33
Speaker 1: Because I think that that relationship was done both ways.
1:35:36
Speaker 1: It was done both sides.
1:35:38
Speaker 2: When he went out and I think it was Dakota
1:35:39
Speaker 2: Randall it when he was yetness and still like that.
1:35:42
Speaker 2: You can't give that interview and then come back.
1:35:44
Speaker 1: Right, yeah that, but how did we get here?
1:35:48
Speaker 2: Yeah?
1:35:48
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is they Isaiahen didn't work.
1:35:52
Speaker 1: You can say they picked the wrong guy, they failed
1:35:53
Speaker 1: to develop him. Whatever you want to call that, Isaiwen
1:35:56
Speaker 1: didn't work. They were able to lean on Trent Brown
1:35:58
Speaker 1: where they fixed other whole on the roster, and then
1:36:01
Speaker 1: the clock ran out on Trent Brown before they were
1:36:04
Speaker 1: able to actually get that next tackle in place. So
1:36:07
Speaker 1: my one, if you want to call that mismanagement of
1:36:10
Speaker 1: assets or you know, a lack of addressing, that's semantics.
1:36:14
Speaker 1: At that point, I'd argue it's more of an asset
1:36:16
Speaker 1: of mismanagement of assets than a refusal to address.
1:36:20
Speaker 2: But sure, I guess it's not even a pushback on that.
1:36:25
Speaker 2: It's just more I agree with the philosophy or the
1:36:29
Speaker 2: point that you and I do. Drive have been doing
1:36:32
Speaker 2: the draft together for how long. Every single draft we've
1:36:36
Speaker 2: ever covered together, tackle has been in need, right, every
1:36:39
Speaker 2: single one, Because I think nineteen was probably the first
1:36:42
Speaker 2: full draft we covered together. Yeah, and it was a need.
1:36:45
Speaker 2: Then they drafted Yadnika just in the third round of
1:36:48
Speaker 2: that draft. It's been a need for every single draft
1:36:51
Speaker 2: since twenty nineteen. I'm not necessarily asking them in that
1:36:55
Speaker 2: span to take a first round pick again after they
1:36:58
Speaker 2: took one with Isaiah Win And we're kind of giving
1:37:00
Speaker 2: that leash to Isaiah win but they they probably should
1:37:05
Speaker 2: have used another top one hundred on a tackle.
1:37:07
Speaker 1: Probably, well they try again, So they tried Yadney could
1:37:09
Speaker 1: just had injury issues, not top one hundred, but they
1:37:13
Speaker 1: took two and twenty twenty one was Michael in the
1:37:16
Speaker 1: sixth round. One was Mike and Winu who was never
1:37:18
Speaker 1: going to be a left tackle, but he was a
1:37:20
Speaker 1: guard in college, right, he's a guard? The other or
1:37:24
Speaker 1: when did they draft Justin Huran? That was yes, so
1:37:28
Speaker 1: because they also drafted didn't they draft William Sherman that
1:37:30
Speaker 1: year too? Was okay? So like Justin Ran, you could
1:37:34
Speaker 1: argue a guy maybe they gave up on too soon
1:37:36
Speaker 1: because he was serviceable. He was probably never long term,
1:37:39
Speaker 1: but they tried, they they and I that's that's why
1:37:42
Speaker 1: I go back to how much do you realistically try?
1:37:47
Speaker 1: What is the window where it's acceptable to use a
1:37:49
Speaker 1: premium ass set on a player after using a first
1:37:52
Speaker 1: round pick at that position? Like when does he to? Okay?
1:37:57
Speaker 2: So fair and so I but what did they what
1:37:59
Speaker 2: did they do in twenty two before the draft? But
1:38:02
Speaker 2: I look at twenty two, Yeah, and you know where
1:38:05
Speaker 2: I'm going with this?
1:38:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cole Strange.
1:38:07
Speaker 2: But but if they had drafted Tyler Smith instead of
1:38:10
Speaker 2: col Strane and we're not in this mess.
1:38:12
Speaker 1: What did they do in twenty two before the draft.
1:38:13
Speaker 1: But was their first personnel moved.
1:38:14
Speaker 2: That offseason trading Shack Mason. No, they traded for Trent Brown. Oh,
1:38:19
Speaker 2: I think that was twenty two, right, They.
1:38:21
Speaker 1: Traded Patform back for him. Might have been, which is
1:38:24
Speaker 1: kind of my point. They they always they they wanted
1:38:26
Speaker 1: to address Oh was twenty one, but they had him.
1:38:29
Speaker 1: I think they Yeah, they maybe they resigned. Yeah, So
1:38:32
Speaker 1: March twenty first, they re signed Trent Brown to a
1:38:35
Speaker 1: two year, fourteen million dollar deal.
1:38:37
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, And and we had talked a lot before
1:38:39
Speaker 2: they resigned him. We thought he was gone, yeah, because
1:38:42
Speaker 2: it hadn't gone well the year before.
1:38:44
Speaker 1: We thought he was gone.
1:38:45
Speaker 2: He went to the Raiders and then the Raiders cut
1:38:47
Speaker 2: him and they brought him back.
1:38:48
Speaker 1: They they traded for him in twenty one.
1:38:51
Speaker 2: Or they traded for him from the Raid, right, but
1:38:53
Speaker 2: he was in.
1:38:54
Speaker 1: It was in the last year of his deal. Yeah,
1:38:56
Speaker 1: and we thought he was gone. He was gone. He
1:38:57
Speaker 1: was gonna go chase big money again. They wanted to
1:39:00
Speaker 1: address guard. They wanted to address receiver Taekwon Thornton, right,
1:39:03
Speaker 1: they wanted to address other things. So what did they do?
1:39:05
Speaker 1: They went back out and they re signed Trent Brown.
1:39:09
Speaker 2: The twenty two draft. That's really where it hit.
1:39:12
Speaker 1: Twenty two would have been the time. You're right, twenty
1:39:13
Speaker 1: two would have been time to address it. But I'm
1:39:15
Speaker 1: telling you that's what I think addressing it was was
1:39:17
Speaker 1: trading for Trent Brown.
1:39:18
Speaker 2: Okay, So on the same note, I guess we can.
1:39:21
Speaker 2: I can just kind of talk about.
1:39:22
Speaker 1: This even Oh, that's right, we're doing ups and downs.
1:39:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, second down here, just the entire offensive tackle depth chart,
1:39:29
Speaker 2: just from top to bottom. I think A quarters four
1:39:31
Speaker 2: has been the probably the best out of the group.
1:39:33
Speaker 2: And that's saying best very very lightly. But he's been okay.
1:39:39
Speaker 2: He's been fine at right tackle. A left tackle, whether
1:39:43
Speaker 2: it's Vaderian Low or Calvin Anderson who's been wrapping at
1:39:46
Speaker 2: left tackle for the most part. With this twos has
1:39:48
Speaker 2: been terrible. They had Caden Wallace. It seemed like Kayden
1:39:51
Speaker 2: Wallace was on a fast track and he was in
1:39:53
Speaker 2: a good spot early on in camp. That has completely
1:39:56
Speaker 2: that train has slowed completely down, And I don't know
1:39:58
Speaker 2: what's going on with that? So your top four tackles
1:40:02
Speaker 2: right now, of low a core four Anderson Wallace, I
1:40:07
Speaker 2: can confidently say that I maybe think they have one starter, yeah,
1:40:11
Speaker 2: in a core four, and then like one like Wallace
1:40:15
Speaker 2: is still kind of an unknown, so I'll give him that.
1:40:18
Speaker 1: That is, I think Walls could be a starting caliber
1:40:20
Speaker 1: level player, but only at the position that chooks a
1:40:22
Speaker 1: core for places right, So.
1:40:24
Speaker 2: They have no left tackle. They have no depth at
1:40:28
Speaker 2: tackle because I don't think that Vederian lower Calvin Anderson's
1:40:31
Speaker 2: even capable depth at this point.
1:40:34
Speaker 1: I think Calvin Anderson's a decent swing.
1:40:37
Speaker 2: I don't think you have to see him trying to
1:40:39
Speaker 2: block Nolan's That's fair. Uh So their tackle situation exactly,
1:40:44
Speaker 2: I'll I'll give you guys the credit because I wasn't
1:40:47
Speaker 2: able to on them on March exactly where all of
1:40:50
Speaker 2: you thought it would be. On August fourteenth, their tackle
1:40:54
Speaker 2: situation is where it is.
1:40:56
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, I couch my takes more than anybody.
1:40:59
Speaker 1: I put more qualified and my takes and anybody give
1:41:01
Speaker 1: myself away to weasel out of being wrong. I did
1:41:03
Speaker 1: not do that on that take. That take, I pounded
1:41:05
Speaker 1: the table.
1:41:06
Speaker 2: I gotta be protect myself a little bit.
1:41:09
Speaker 1: My second down U Chad Rown? Oh no, I just
1:41:13
Speaker 1: I think he let Joey Slide catch up Joey Slid.
1:41:16
Speaker 2: So Joey Sides jacked by the way Joey size Hugh
1:41:18
Speaker 2: So we talked to Joey sly the other day. Yeah,
1:41:21
Speaker 2: super nice guy. We spent a lot of time talking
1:41:23
Speaker 2: about golf. Some of it out relates to kicking, but
1:41:26
Speaker 2: just also kind of golf. Okay, don't too long on this.
1:41:28
Speaker 2: You talked them for fourteen minutes. It was absurd, It's great.
1:41:31
Speaker 2: We had great, We had a great.
1:41:33
Speaker 1: Cop looked over.
1:41:34
Speaker 2: Three times and Joey Slide was still talking.
1:41:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was enjoying it.
1:41:39
Speaker 2: I think that was the longest non quarterback press conference
1:41:42
Speaker 2: of the summer.
1:41:42
Speaker 1: What is your problem with that? Me, Bob Socy, Brian Hines?
1:41:46
Speaker 1: Who else was there?
1:41:47
Speaker 4: For?
1:41:48
Speaker 1: Good conversation with the guy?
1:41:49
Speaker 2: So Joey Slide.
1:41:51
Speaker 1: After thirteen minutes of talking golf, yeah, somebody asked him
1:41:54
Speaker 1: about the kickoff and he talked like, yeah, you know,
1:41:56
Speaker 1: he compared it to golf. He was like, I used
1:41:58
Speaker 1: to be the driver, the big leg kick it through
1:41:59
Speaker 1: the end. Now you getta get the wedge out and
1:42:02
Speaker 1: drop the ball in there, and it's more strategic, and
1:42:04
Speaker 1: he kind of threw in at the end. And also,
1:42:06
Speaker 1: I know I might be in a position tackle more.
1:42:08
Speaker 1: I'm excited for that and I'm ready for it. Didn't
1:42:11
Speaker 1: say he's okay with it, said he's excited for it.
1:42:13
Speaker 1: He gain big dude. I'm like, of course you're excited
1:42:15
Speaker 1: for You're gonna take somebody's head off. Anyway, he had.
1:42:19
Speaker 1: They did this drill. Was this on Sunday?
1:42:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty more seconds.
1:42:24
Speaker 1: They did this drill on Sunday where it was the
1:42:27
Speaker 1: four live field goals reach kicker like they've done at
1:42:29
Speaker 1: the end of each practice, get off your phone, listen
1:42:31
Speaker 1: to me. Nope, but they had like the entire team
1:42:35
Speaker 1: in a semi circle around the kicker just yelling at
1:42:40
Speaker 1: him and like jumping up and down his face, waving
1:42:42
Speaker 1: his arms. De Marcus Covington was really into it. Tetrika
1:42:45
Speaker 1: was really into it, and Sly was the better kicker
1:42:48
Speaker 1: that he's still perfect from fifty plus. Ryland I think
1:42:51
Speaker 1: is one for three from fifty plus in this camp.
1:42:54
Speaker 1: Ryland also had his first miss from the forty yard range.
1:42:57
Speaker 1: He missed a forty eight yarder.
1:42:58
Speaker 2: Okay, so just as some of miss up because I'm
1:43:00
Speaker 2: falling asleep, Joey Sly right now, if you had to
1:43:05
Speaker 2: call it right now, Joey SLID's your.
1:43:07
Speaker 1: Kicker, I'd still maybe go look elsewhere. But between the
1:43:10
Speaker 1: two of them, I'd go Joey Slide.
1:43:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with rolling with the Sly guy. I'm
1:43:16
Speaker 2: alright with it. He's got a big leg, He's gonna
1:43:18
Speaker 2: give him some distance. Like their offense is not going
1:43:21
Speaker 2: to be able to drive the ball consistently.
1:43:23
Speaker 1: So what it comes down to right now between the
1:43:24
Speaker 1: kickers to me, do you want the guy that's more
1:43:26
Speaker 1: reliable from thirty to forty nine but that's his range,
1:43:28
Speaker 1: or do you want the guy that can step out
1:43:30
Speaker 1: maybe give you a fifty plus?
1:43:31
Speaker 2: What I like about Joey Sli's got a bigger leg, yep,
1:43:33
Speaker 2: and he's got a little bit more moxie. Yeah, you know,
1:43:37
Speaker 2: last year Ryland turned into a puddle. I saw that.
1:43:40
Speaker 2: I don't need that again. I'll take the guy that's
1:43:43
Speaker 2: got a little bit more moxie and has a little
1:43:45
Speaker 2: bit more leg. All right, done, Joey Sly, I'm with
1:43:49
Speaker 2: you all right, last one here for me, I would
1:43:53
Speaker 2: just say that in general, the cornerback depth is something
1:43:57
Speaker 2: that's creeped up a little bit. You know, we we've
1:44:00
Speaker 2: had a lot of data now of no Jonathan Jones
1:44:03
Speaker 2: and no Marcus Jones because of the injuries, and I
1:44:06
Speaker 2: think Jonathan Jones is mostly just veteran management. But regardless,
1:44:10
Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of Marco Wilson, Alex Austin, Isaiah
1:44:13
Speaker 2: Bolden that next group. I was hoping that group would
1:44:17
Speaker 2: be a little bit better. And then obviously when you
1:44:20
Speaker 2: supplement that with Gonzo being just okay in camp and
1:44:23
Speaker 2: not like dominant in camp, that probably doesn't help things either.
1:44:27
Speaker 2: Marco Wilson, I'm with you. I think you mentioned this
1:44:28
Speaker 2: earlier has probably been the best. Yeah, and I would
1:44:30
Speaker 2: now probably have him on my roster projection, which I
1:44:33
Speaker 2: haven't had him on yet. I think he's on for
1:44:36
Speaker 2: me now, but I'll throw Sean Wade into that too.
1:44:39
Speaker 2: I didn't mention him dial. You know, those guys, it
1:44:41
Speaker 2: just feels to me like there's still a little bit
1:44:45
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure how deep they are anymore.
1:44:48
Speaker 1: So I always hate doing this, but it's more of
1:44:51
Speaker 1: a can't make the club from the top down. Yeah,
1:44:53
Speaker 1: Sean Wade missing these last few practices sucks because it
1:44:56
Speaker 1: felt like he was making real momentum, making a towards
1:45:00
Speaker 1: a roster spot. Now he's not out there the repping
1:45:03
Speaker 1: Isaiah Bolden in the slot, which Wade's natural slot ability
1:45:06
Speaker 1: was the best, like the biggest thing he had going
1:45:09
Speaker 1: for him towards making the roster. This is just this
1:45:12
Speaker 1: is valuable time he's missing right here, and I think
1:45:13
Speaker 1: it's really gonna hurt his chances to make the team. Yeah,
1:45:15
Speaker 1: he didn't do anything wrong, Like guys get hurt, it happens,
1:45:18
Speaker 1: but that's the reality of it. If you get hurt
1:45:19
Speaker 1: and somebody else steps up, that job might not be
1:45:22
Speaker 1: there when he come back.
1:45:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would. Now if I had to
1:45:25
Speaker 2: redo my roster projection, I probably have Marco Wilson on
1:45:27
Speaker 2: and set Wade.
1:45:28
Speaker 1: So I had I had Isaiah Bolden as the odd
1:45:30
Speaker 1: man out of my last one, I'm gonna switch those
1:45:31
Speaker 1: on my next one.
1:45:32
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, really quickly before I take these calls
1:45:35
Speaker 2: and wrap a little bit of NFL news, JJ McCarthy
1:45:39
Speaker 2: out for the year. Torn meniscus, all right, so that's
1:45:43
Speaker 2: all right, full of meniscus repair, which means that he
1:45:46
Speaker 2: is now out for the year.
1:45:47
Speaker 1: So to relate it back to the pay and obviously,
1:45:50
Speaker 1: you know, hoping the best for the hint for him
1:45:52
Speaker 1: and the Viking and all that whatever. To relate it
1:45:54
Speaker 1: back to the Patriots, because it is a Patriots show.
1:45:57
Speaker 1: This is it is gonna be interesting to see what
1:45:59
Speaker 1: happen with him in terms of his development. This is
1:46:01
Speaker 1: a valuable, valuable year. He is losing. Forget not playing
1:46:05
Speaker 1: in games, not being at practice. I'm sure he'll still
1:46:07
Speaker 1: be around and being the meeting rooms, but it's tougher
1:46:10
Speaker 1: to be engaged in that way. This is why you
1:46:12
Speaker 1: have to be so careful with Drake May when it
1:46:14
Speaker 1: comes to the offensive line.
1:46:16
Speaker 2: I didn't see the play exactly that he got hurt on.
1:46:18
Speaker 2: Did he get hurt on a contact injury or.
1:46:20
Speaker 1: It was I don't think anybody knows it was a
1:46:22
Speaker 1: practice thing, because coming out of the game, nobody was
1:46:24
Speaker 1: saying anything.
1:46:25
Speaker 2: No.
1:46:25
Speaker 1: I think it was in the game. I saw a
1:46:27
Speaker 1: report yesterday that at some point in the game he
1:46:29
Speaker 1: went to the sideline and said his knee felt weird. Yeah,
1:46:31
Speaker 1: and they're like all right, we'll run test. But he
1:46:33
Speaker 1: didn't take a big hit, he didn't get rolled up on.
1:46:35
Speaker 1: It was a very much it's football, and that's you know,
1:46:38
Speaker 1: you risk that with Drake May every time you put
1:46:40
Speaker 1: him out there, and you have to take that risk
1:46:41
Speaker 1: to when it's a cautionary tale. But I wouldn't even
1:46:45
Speaker 1: say caution Well, I guess it is the people. There
1:46:47
Speaker 1: are gonna be people who look at Drake May seven
1:46:48
Speaker 1: snaps and say, we'll say this is why you don't
1:46:50
Speaker 1: risk him. But I think it also shows you like
1:46:54
Speaker 1: this is this has the potential to massively alter his career.
1:46:57
Speaker 1: And people point to Joe Burrow. Burrow plaid three months
1:47:00
Speaker 1: before he tours ACL or before got hurt as a
1:47:03
Speaker 1: rookie towards ACL. That was his rookie, right, he played
1:47:07
Speaker 1: three months. He got enough data that you know, missing
1:47:10
Speaker 1: as much time as JJ McCarthy's gonna miss like he's
1:47:13
Speaker 1: behind now he's behind his development. This is another guy
1:47:16
Speaker 1: like Drake May that is a project and it it
1:47:20
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how this impacts and moving forward.
1:47:22
Speaker 1: Also good chance for Sam Darnold, who Minnesota's had a
1:47:26
Speaker 1: decent summer.
1:47:27
Speaker 2: Okay, just my quick thing on JJ McCarthy. And this
1:47:31
Speaker 2: is not an Andrew Luck moment. Okay, I'm not rooting
1:47:34
Speaker 2: for injuries. I'm not happy that he's hurt.
1:47:36
Speaker 1: Well, according to you, Andrew Luck didn't retire because of jury.
1:47:38
Speaker 2: You know what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying
1:47:39
Speaker 2: to like be an a hole about this, right, I'm
1:47:42
Speaker 2: not rooting for injuries. I'm not happy he's hurt, none
1:47:44
Speaker 2: of those types of things. But a part of me
1:47:47
Speaker 2: is a little bit okay with the fact that he's
1:47:49
Speaker 2: not gonna play this year. Because we said it on
1:47:53
Speaker 2: during the draft, I can pull the receipts. I remember
1:47:55
Speaker 2: saying this during right after the draft that because he's
1:47:59
Speaker 2: playing in Kevin o'c donald's offense with Justin Jefferson and
1:48:01
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison, if JJ McCarthy got on the field early on,
1:48:05
Speaker 2: he was going to look better than Drake Man. Oh yeah,
1:48:07
Speaker 2: it was gonna be kind of like a Mac Jones situation,
1:48:09
Speaker 2: right and uh, and now, just if JJ, if Drake
1:48:14
Speaker 2: May was sitting and holding the clipboard for the entire year,
1:48:16
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is having a good rookie season in Minnesota.
1:48:20
Speaker 2: As you like to say sometimes Alex, that would not
1:48:22
Speaker 2: have been good for the brand, all right, that would
1:48:24
Speaker 2: not have been ever said, yes, yeah, that would not
1:48:28
Speaker 2: have been good for the brand. That that would have
1:48:30
Speaker 2: been tough deal well, and so selfishly.
1:48:33
Speaker 1: I guess I we would have just had a deal
1:48:35
Speaker 1: with people that don't understand how Oh yeah, you throw
1:48:38
Speaker 1: at Justin Jefferson, you're gonna look pretty good. The Patriots
1:48:40
Speaker 1: don't have Justin Jefferson.
1:48:41
Speaker 2: All right, let's take these calls. Jake is in Lemonster.
1:48:44
Speaker 2: What's up, Jake? Jake? You're there going once? All right?
1:48:51
Speaker 2: Call us back, Jake and we'll get you on the air.
1:48:53
Speaker 2: Sean is in Vancouver, what's up? Sean?
1:48:56
Speaker 7: Hey, Alex thought I was with you from the beginning
1:48:59
Speaker 7: about with the offensive line being a disaster preventing trick
1:49:04
Speaker 7: me from playing right away. And you know, but I
1:49:07
Speaker 7: don't see this as a team that's going to make
1:49:10
Speaker 7: the playoffs. So I don't think you have to wait
1:49:12
Speaker 7: till the last week of the season. If they could
1:49:15
Speaker 7: just get this offensive line sorted out, you know, be
1:49:18
Speaker 7: a week five, week six, whatever they do, that's when
1:49:21
Speaker 7: they should play May because that's that's really the priority.
1:49:24
Speaker 7: We want to see. If May is the future, because
1:49:26
Speaker 7: this team isn't about now, it's about the future, and
1:49:28
Speaker 7: we need we need to find that out. So we
1:49:30
Speaker 7: need to find out if this guy is real. I
1:49:32
Speaker 7: do have a question for you the guys though, how
1:49:35
Speaker 7: is Antonio Gibson looked in pass blocking because he's going
1:49:38
Speaker 7: to be needed as a passing down back. I'll take
1:49:41
Speaker 7: it off the air, I think, good question.
1:49:43
Speaker 1: Good questions on the first point, just real quick. Yeah,
1:49:46
Speaker 1: that's where I've been right. Once the offensive line set,
1:49:48
Speaker 1: that's what trick may and the problem is might take
1:49:51
Speaker 1: more than five or six weeks to figure this thing
1:49:52
Speaker 1: out at.
1:49:53
Speaker 2: This point, right I think that's where we're at.
1:49:54
Speaker 1: It might take you three months.
1:49:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I like to do with you know, the
1:49:59
Speaker 2: first point that he made about kind of they're not
1:50:01
Speaker 2: gonna be playing We know they're not probably not gonna
1:50:02
Speaker 2: be a playoff team. Like it's not gonna do with wins, right,
1:50:05
Speaker 2: it was. It was more about protecting him and keeping
1:50:08
Speaker 2: him healthy and giving him a chance back there to
1:50:10
Speaker 2: succeed and all that kind of stuff. And right now,
1:50:13
Speaker 2: it's hard to envision the offensive line coming together in
1:50:16
Speaker 2: the short term to make that happen. By week five
1:50:19
Speaker 2: or week six, like he was saying in terms of
1:50:22
Speaker 2: bit blitz pick up. For Antonio Gibson, I do feel
1:50:26
Speaker 2: like he's been used the route a lot more than
1:50:29
Speaker 2: blitz pick up. Yeah, And I wonder if that's something
1:50:33
Speaker 2: that a VP in this offense is gonna be a
1:50:36
Speaker 2: little bit different than they're The old guard was one.
1:50:40
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna be. Bax didn't play
1:50:44
Speaker 2: under Belichick until they understood pass protection, right, they were
1:50:48
Speaker 2: not allowed on the field, especially in passing situations. Uh
1:50:51
Speaker 2: number two. The Patriots would use the back a lot
1:50:54
Speaker 2: more than some other teams and blitz pick up, especially
1:50:57
Speaker 2: recently once like James White retired and stuff. So a
1:51:01
Speaker 2: lot of teams, you know, especially in this West Coach tree,
1:51:04
Speaker 2: they want to reset things so that the back can
1:51:07
Speaker 2: get into the pattern. Like whatever you have to do
1:51:10
Speaker 2: to release the back and not force the back to
1:51:12
Speaker 2: stay in and blitz pick up, whether it's remiking, you know,
1:51:16
Speaker 2: whatever like to do that. We don't want the back
1:51:20
Speaker 2: to be in the backfield and blitz pick up as
1:51:23
Speaker 2: much as we can prevent that. Reid is huge and
1:51:26
Speaker 2: he reads huge on that is the running backs in
1:51:28
Speaker 2: Kansas City hardly ever pass block. They're always in the pattern,
1:51:32
Speaker 2: So I don't know how much they're gonna use him
1:51:33
Speaker 2: in that, But I haven't necessarily watched specifically how he's
1:51:36
Speaker 2: picked up blitzes and how he's looked in that regard,
1:51:39
Speaker 2: but it hasn't been noticeably a problem either. I guess
1:51:43
Speaker 2: this is the other way to put it.
1:51:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you. I don't know that
1:51:47
Speaker 1: he's had any like wow moments in pass pro, but
1:51:49
Speaker 1: there haven't been many times I've seen him totally blown
1:51:52
Speaker 1: aside me either, Like he's been serviceable, but he hasn't
1:51:54
Speaker 1: done in the ton Like you said, it feels like
1:51:56
Speaker 1: he's mostly been out in the pattern, and I think
1:51:57
Speaker 1: that's how they're gonna use him. And realistically, if they
1:52:00
Speaker 1: reach a point where they're like, all right, we need
1:52:03
Speaker 1: the running back to be a part of pass pro.
1:52:05
Speaker 1: Ramondra Stevens is one of the better pass blocking running
1:52:07
Speaker 1: backs in the league, they'll probably just put him on
1:52:09
Speaker 1: the field more at that point.
1:52:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gibson and I actually really like that. So just
1:52:13
Speaker 2: we only have a couple more minutes. I don't want
1:52:15
Speaker 2: to get two bogged down in the next as the nose,
1:52:17
Speaker 2: but when you think about it's a numbers game, right,
1:52:19
Speaker 2: It's always a numbers game. And if the back is
1:52:22
Speaker 2: releasing in the pattern, then somebody has to account for
1:52:26
Speaker 2: him in coverage, like there's a there has to be
1:52:28
Speaker 2: a player for player in coverage. So in theory, if
1:52:30
Speaker 2: you always were releasing the back out of the backfield,
1:52:33
Speaker 2: then the backs guy cannot blitz all the time. Otherwise
1:52:37
Speaker 2: that's where you're just gonna go with the ball. It's
1:52:38
Speaker 2: gonna be easy to right. So that's how these other
1:52:42
Speaker 2: teams operate, is that if you're gonna blitz and we're
1:52:45
Speaker 2: gonna release the back, well, then we're gonna have five
1:52:48
Speaker 2: in the in the pattern, and you're only gonna have
1:52:50
Speaker 2: six guys in coverage, and there's gonna be somebody open, right,
1:52:53
Speaker 2: And so we'll devise away that with hot routes and
1:52:56
Speaker 2: things like that that somebody's got to be open at
1:52:58
Speaker 2: that point. So in theory, you shouldn't have to have
1:53:03
Speaker 2: the back pass protect all the time. Now, there's going
1:53:05
Speaker 2: to be certain protections that they will, and you know
1:53:08
Speaker 2: there's certain instances where they will, but in general, a
1:53:11
Speaker 2: lot of these teams, you know, like the Floor I know,
1:53:15
Speaker 2: for a Fact and Shanahan are two guys that they
1:53:20
Speaker 2: want the quarterback in the center to figure out a
1:53:22
Speaker 2: way to get the back into the pattern at all times,
1:53:24
Speaker 2: Like just remight get it, Atlanta, Slide the protection this way,
1:53:28
Speaker 2: slide it that way, whatever you gotta do. We don't
1:53:30
Speaker 2: want the back just sitting back there and picking up
1:53:32
Speaker 2: linebackers like it just doesn't help us as an offense.
1:53:36
Speaker 2: So I feel like AVP is going to be in
1:53:38
Speaker 2: more of that school. But we'll see. It's a good
1:53:41
Speaker 2: question and we'll see. But I hope to an extent
1:53:44
Speaker 2: that the days of Pierre Strong is just never going
1:53:48
Speaker 2: to get on the field because they can't pick up
1:53:50
Speaker 2: a freaking linebacker and blitz pick up or Kevin Harris,
1:53:52
Speaker 2: like you're mentioning the Lions game a couple of years ago,
1:53:56
Speaker 2: Ormandre is still in the game when they're up thirty points, Like,
1:53:58
Speaker 2: I hope those days are gone because I think that
1:54:00
Speaker 2: was a little an instinct, you know, archaic way of
1:54:04
Speaker 2: looking at it. I want to talk just to wrap
1:54:07
Speaker 2: up the show. I know you have one more call
1:54:08
Speaker 2: and we'll get to it, but I do want to
1:54:09
Speaker 2: give our takes on Tomorrow night really quickly. So what
1:54:13
Speaker 2: are you looking forward to tomorrow night? What are you
1:54:15
Speaker 2: expecting to see in terms of Drake May's participation.
1:54:18
Speaker 1: So this is the big question because Garrod Mayo at
1:54:20
Speaker 1: the beginning of the week said he's gonna play more,
1:54:22
Speaker 1: He's gonna play more, He's gonna play more, and then
1:54:24
Speaker 1: the offensive line happened, and I wonder if that's a recalculation.
1:54:27
Speaker 1: I don't know that anything would surprise me at this
1:54:29
Speaker 1: point in terms of valid him not playing, I guess
1:54:32
Speaker 1: would surprise me him not playing at all, not playing
1:54:34
Speaker 1: a single snap. Beyond that, I'm kind of ready for anything.
1:54:38
Speaker 2: I like that you're kind of ready for anything.
1:54:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could play five snaps, he could play forty.
1:54:42
Speaker 1: Both would make sense to me at this point.
1:54:44
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think he's gonna play a high volume
1:54:46
Speaker 2: like forty, you know, JJ McCarthy. I know it's a
1:54:49
Speaker 2: bad example now that with the injury, but I think
1:54:51
Speaker 2: he played like thirty thirty three. Yeah, I think he
1:54:54
Speaker 2: was the most with thirty three out of the rookie quarterbacks.
1:54:56
Speaker 2: I don't expect him to play that much, but I
1:54:59
Speaker 2: do expect him to play enough that we have some
1:55:01
Speaker 2: tape to like dig into and I say we, I
1:55:04
Speaker 2: really mean them, yeah and you yeah, obviously me too,
1:55:07
Speaker 2: But yeah, I expect to have come away from this
1:55:11
Speaker 2: where we have like, okay, we have ten to twelve
1:55:15
Speaker 2: dropbacks of real dropbacks, not screens you know, or like
1:55:19
Speaker 2: third and ten dump offs into the flat, like actual
1:55:22
Speaker 2: quarterback plays. Last week we got one. We got one
1:55:27
Speaker 2: play action drop that went through Jalen Riger's hands. I
1:55:30
Speaker 2: think that they will try to get to about ten, twelve,
1:55:33
Speaker 2: fifteen of those this week. But I was dead wrong
1:55:36
Speaker 2: about how they were going to use the quarterbacks last week,
1:55:38
Speaker 2: so I couldn't. I don't. Maybe don't take my word
1:55:40
Speaker 2: for it, but that's what my gut tells me. The
1:55:44
Speaker 2: other thing, I just really quickly, I want to mention
1:55:47
Speaker 2: I didn't think that the rookie receivers look great on
1:55:49
Speaker 2: film with their route running last week. It's just something
1:55:53
Speaker 2: that I texted you about it. I'm not like, well,
1:55:56
Speaker 2: I said def Con five earlier, red alert by the
1:55:58
Speaker 2: offensive line. This is like one or two, like def
1:56:01
Speaker 2: Con one or two. It's not something I'm like crazy
1:56:03
Speaker 2: worried about, right, But I just feel like Jalen Polk
1:56:07
Speaker 2: in particular, Jalen Polk's gonna have to have a PhD
1:56:10
Speaker 2: in route running right, Like he's gonna have to be
1:56:12
Speaker 2: an expert technician in order to uh to thrive in
1:56:16
Speaker 2: the league. Things like getting defenders off their leverage, eating
1:56:20
Speaker 2: up cushion against off coverage efficientcyy efficiency through the top
1:56:24
Speaker 2: of the route. Like I didn't love those elements of
1:56:27
Speaker 2: his game last week. It looked like it was moving
1:56:29
Speaker 2: a little fast for him the first time out, So
1:56:31
Speaker 2: maybe that slows down for him eventually. But he's got
1:56:33
Speaker 2: to think the game, like if he's got a corner
1:56:37
Speaker 2: that's eight yards off, he's got to eat up the space.
1:56:40
Speaker 2: Like you gotta come out of the blocks, man, Like
1:56:43
Speaker 2: you gotta come out of the blocks like Noah Lyles, right,
1:56:47
Speaker 2: you gotta get up on him. And then you got
1:56:49
Speaker 2: a maybe bad example because he did. He had to.
1:56:52
Speaker 2: He had to flying twenty in that one hundred meter,
1:56:55
Speaker 2: not the not the first, not the ten yard split.
1:57:00
Speaker 2: But you gotta come out of the blocks, and uh,
1:57:02
Speaker 2: you got to eat up the cushion, and then you
1:57:04
Speaker 2: want to get up on the toes right, and then
1:57:05
Speaker 2: you you make the brake happen at the top of
1:57:07
Speaker 2: the route. But if you don't get the defender to
1:57:10
Speaker 2: even think for a second that you might run by him.
1:57:13
Speaker 2: Then your toast like you gotta make the defender think like, Okay,
1:57:16
Speaker 2: this guy's got you gotta get him back on his heels.
1:57:18
Speaker 2: Yeah's and I'm either in my pedal or on back
1:57:20
Speaker 2: of my heels or my hips are opening up to
1:57:22
Speaker 2: the field like something has to happen there from the defender. Similarly,
1:57:26
Speaker 2: he ran a route a little quick out that the
1:57:28
Speaker 2: defender had outside leverage on him. He's like, you know,
1:57:30
Speaker 2: right shaded outside leverage, and he just ran right into
1:57:33
Speaker 2: the leverage. And I'm not saying that he should have
1:57:35
Speaker 2: optioned routed it or anything, but if you know that
1:57:37
Speaker 2: you're gonna run it out and you're locked into a
1:57:39
Speaker 2: route and you have outside leverage corner, you have to
1:57:41
Speaker 2: make a move at the line of scrimmage in your
1:57:43
Speaker 2: release to get him off the leverage right, like give
1:57:45
Speaker 2: a little fake to the inside or stem it up
1:57:47
Speaker 2: to the inside quickly and then come back to the outside.
1:57:50
Speaker 2: You gotta think the game. And I didn't really see
1:57:53
Speaker 2: that from him in that game in that film, and
1:57:55
Speaker 2: Javon Baker a little bit to that extent too, But
1:57:57
Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily expect Javon Baker to be at that level.
1:58:01
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk's gonna have to be at that level. You know,
1:58:04
Speaker 2: Jacobe Myers was at that level, is at that level.
1:58:07
Speaker 1: You know.
1:58:08
Speaker 2: The other comparison, Tyler Boyd, like Keenan Allen, like some
1:58:10
Speaker 2: of the other names people throw out, Like, those guys
1:58:12
Speaker 2: are at that level, So I gotta see a little
1:58:14
Speaker 2: bit more they're out of Jalen Polk. I'm so torn
1:58:19
Speaker 2: on Jalen Polk. Like all the things that we talk
1:58:22
Speaker 2: about during draft season when it comes to receivers, this
1:58:25
Speaker 2: one's like really giving me up at night. I'm so
1:58:27
Speaker 2: torn about what to think about him because you know,
1:58:30
Speaker 2: my typical preferences are separation, ability, speed, like all the
1:58:36
Speaker 2: Like Zay Flowers is like my guy, right, Like that's
1:58:38
Speaker 2: the type of receiver I look at and say, that
1:58:40
Speaker 2: guy's gonna translate, that guy's gonna be good in the league.
1:58:43
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk does all the other things well, he catches
1:58:46
Speaker 2: the ball, well, he's physical, he's got some Alpha in him,
1:58:50
Speaker 2: and he's got kind of that a little bit of
1:58:51
Speaker 2: attitude to him. But he doesn't separate and normally I'm
1:58:55
Speaker 2: out on those types of guys, but I do see
1:58:58
Speaker 2: it with Jalen Polk, like how he could build himself
1:59:01
Speaker 2: into a good NFL receiver, but he's gonna have to
1:59:03
Speaker 2: refine his route running and be like an expert expert
1:59:06
Speaker 2: route runner in or to make that happen. So those
1:59:08
Speaker 2: are a couple of things. Is there anybody else other
1:59:10
Speaker 2: than the quarterbacks that you're looking out for.
1:59:13
Speaker 1: That third string tight end battle? But we can take
1:59:15
Speaker 1: this call. I won't run it down third thing.
1:59:18
Speaker 2: Third string tight end is more important than the caller.
1:59:20
Speaker 2: Nowchic tachical? All right, all right, John, You're more important
1:59:24
Speaker 2: than the third string tight end? What do you got?
1:59:28
Speaker 8: I was actually kind of digging in here waiting to
1:59:29
Speaker 8: see what parts was gonna say. Huge fan of both
1:59:32
Speaker 8: of you guys. I think my wife's sick of hearing
1:59:34
Speaker 8: both your voices at this point. But I think kind
1:59:38
Speaker 8: of like my biggest takeaway from listening to your guys
1:59:40
Speaker 8: a show and the coverage and like the whole Drake
1:59:42
Speaker 8: may experience and not to beat like Bill Belichick again
1:59:46
Speaker 8: because we've done that, but I just think it shows you,
1:59:48
Speaker 8: like how many years and how many years I've listened
1:59:51
Speaker 8: to you guys talk about where they just never addressed,
1:59:54
Speaker 8: like like glaring holes on offense, whether it's tackle, offensive
1:59:59
Speaker 8: line depth, receiver deaf like topping receiver talent. And I
2:00:02
Speaker 8: think it's like years and years and years of this
2:00:06
Speaker 8: like accruing and to the point where now you can't
2:00:08
Speaker 8: even get Drake May out in a preseason game because
2:00:11
Speaker 8: he's going to get his head ripped off. And like
2:00:12
Speaker 8: we saw in the joint practice yesterday, like you put
2:00:15
Speaker 8: him out there with twos, even against another team's number twos,
2:00:17
Speaker 8: Like it's not competitive. So I think people need to
2:00:21
Speaker 8: like I think you guys have done a good job
2:00:22
Speaker 8: of this. I can't listen to ninety five anymore, but
2:00:25
Speaker 8: like you need to pump the brakes and like, let
2:00:27
Speaker 8: Drake May develop so that way in two years we're
2:00:30
Speaker 8: not sitting around being like what happened to Drake May?
2:00:32
Speaker 4: You sees ghosts?
2:00:33
Speaker 8: He's leaning off his back foot, Like we just need
2:00:36
Speaker 8: to calm down. But thank you guys, love listen.
2:00:37
Speaker 4: To your show.
2:00:38
Speaker 2: Thanks John, thanks for the call. Well said, that's exactly.
2:00:40
Speaker 2: That's a great way to end my first thirty five
2:00:43
Speaker 2: minutes of standing on the ledge at the Tobin Bridge
2:00:46
Speaker 2: that that's exactly where it's at right now, is patients
2:00:49
Speaker 2: like we are now yesterday. To me, first of all,
2:00:53
Speaker 2: just really quickly, I know we have to end. Yeah,
2:00:56
Speaker 2: but I listened to Badard on the way home last night.
2:00:58
Speaker 2: He like saw ghosts, like looks. It was like he
2:01:00
Speaker 2: saw a dead person the way he was talking about
2:01:02
Speaker 2: practice yesterday. And I think it was genuine like he
2:01:05
Speaker 2: was Jenny.
2:01:06
Speaker 1: Was rattled by the ducks and horses question, but okay.
2:01:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was genuinely rattled, and I was not quite
2:01:13
Speaker 2: that far, but I was in this. I think we're
2:01:15
Speaker 2: all in a similar place where yesterday was a real
2:01:19
Speaker 2: wake up call to the fact that this team's got
2:01:23
Speaker 2: a ways to go. And we watched a team in
2:01:25
Speaker 2: the Eagles, who I mentioned at the top of the show,
2:01:29
Speaker 2: have the third best odds in some places to win
2:01:31
Speaker 2: Super Bowl fifty nine. Are one of those teams eight
2:01:33
Speaker 2: to ten teams, let's call it that that has a
2:01:35
Speaker 2: legitimate chance to win the Super Bowl. And you saw
2:01:38
Speaker 2: what that looked like, and then you saw what the
2:01:40
Speaker 2: Patriots offense looked like, and all of a sudden, it's like,
2:01:43
Speaker 2: we need to take a big step back, right we've
2:01:46
Speaker 2: been in the campgrind. We've been at every practice. It's
2:01:49
Speaker 2: been a couple of weeks of this every single day,
2:01:52
Speaker 2: almost being out there watching for two hours. I think
2:01:55
Speaker 2: we all need to take a deep breath. We need
2:01:57
Speaker 2: to take a big step back, and we need to
2:01:59
Speaker 2: realize that this is gonna this is gonna be a while.
2:02:02
Speaker 1: Are we going to, uh do Will Campbell check ins
2:02:05
Speaker 1: on the show this year?
2:02:06
Speaker 2: We might have to, and Luther Burden and we'll Travis Hunter,
2:02:11
Speaker 2: Will Campbell cal we all need to. This was a
2:02:14
Speaker 2: wake up call yesterday and that and that's the great
2:02:17
Speaker 2: way at the end of the show. So, uh, we'll
2:02:19
Speaker 2: be back next week, probably the same day, same time, roughly.
2:02:24
Speaker 2: I would say this is kind of we're not sure
2:02:27
Speaker 2: exactly when we'll be on during the regular season. We
2:02:29
Speaker 2: still got to work out what their the football schedule
2:02:32
Speaker 2: is and all that kind of stuff. But for now,
2:02:34
Speaker 2: this is uh, this has been good. Uh, So we'll
2:02:36
Speaker 2: probably be back next week around the same time, really quickly.
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