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The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 5) (5/30/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
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  it and picking up where we left off with a
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  securities captain and his interview with the OIG investigators. Question,
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  can you look at the shoe staff for both of
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  August ninth and the very early morning hours of August tenth?
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  Can you just list the people and let me know
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  if you inform those people? Answer? So, basically, my hours
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  were normally let's just say seven thirty to four, so
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  I ensured that it wasn't within one week, but it
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  was a process of doing rounds. So I try to
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  hit every shift. So I hit the day watch because
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  that's when I work. Evening watch, I stay over late,
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  I walk up there. Hey guys, this is the situation.
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  Let's make sure that you know we're paying attention. And
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  then morning watch of course. Question so beginning at eight
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  am then on August ninth, can you just look at
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  who and the names of the people. Can you just
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  name who was in the shoe and if you ever
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  had a conversation with them, if they were aware. Question. Okay,
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  let me see here, Well, we had redacted. I've talked
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  to redacted Perry's joiner. He was in there. Redacted was
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  one of the guys that was up there as a
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  wreck officer. Question so all those people were you had
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  conversations with specifically with them and you let them know. Answer,
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  I talk with these guys. Question absolutely. Can you just
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  name the other people for the shifts after him? Answer?
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  You got now, Am Thomas. M Thomas. What you need
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  to understand is that he would have been because you know,
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  like I said, overtime non custody. He's non custody staff.
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  I don't have conversations with them. Question Okay, so Michael
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  Thomas answer, so that means right, because realistically the Morning
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  Watch and Evening Watch, they don't like to come to work.
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  Question sure, answer so they if you sign up for overtime,
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  you say, oh, shoe too is open, Okay, I'll take it.
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  But you're non custody. So that means anybody can work it.
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  A teacher, a food service foreman. Question is the shoe
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  easier to work than the other units? Answer? I wouldn't
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  say it's easier, but it's less labor intensive because in
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  my opinion, from when I worked special housing, special housing
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  was always hard work because I'm going to tell you
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  why you have to be vigilant. And when I mean vigilant,
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  you have to understand when you're working that unit, anything
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  can happen. It could be quiet, but guess what if
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  you're not walking looking in those cells. Testing the security protocol,
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  meaning making sure the flaps are closed, making sure the
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  doors are locked. You want to know that in shoe
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  sometimes doors was unlocked or flaps open to chase doors
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  those the food service flap question? Okay, sure answer? You know,
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  making rounds, making sure the inmates or not have coverings
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  up when you open up what do you call it? Question?
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  The window? Answer the windows or put a towel over
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  their beds and a blocking the light from you being
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  able to observe them. And I want to go back
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  because I know about that statement about the doors being
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  left open. I'm talking about more in general population as
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  far as when you're making rounds, those type of things
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  you test, making sure the door is secure, making sure
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  the food slots are secure. As an officer coming up,
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  even as a lieutenant, do you know that I've actually
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  walked in a unit and pulled on the door that's
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  supposed to be secure and its inmate is wide opened?
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  Question wow, Ever at the MCC answer no, because that
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  wasn't my capacity, that wasn't my job. But as a
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  line officer subordinate, and also when I was a lieutenant
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  making rounds, that's what I would do when I hit
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  a unit. It wasn't just to talk to staff. I'd
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  walk in and look at the security protocol in the unit.
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  Is there a fire extinguisher there? Good? Your phone work,
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  counters work, computers work. Hey, Let's walk the block, pulling
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  on doors, pulling on food slots, showing trying to train
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  the officers. That's what I used to do. Question lead
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  by example, answer and guess what happens. You would find
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  stuff because people in hurry enough to go home on
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  that evening. Watch them. Inmates know their doors are locked,
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  but they know they're going to come out because if
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  they come out, there's a situation. But they'll sit up
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  there and they'll leave it open. Question so back to
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  this though, can you look at the other shoe on
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  you know the subsequent shifts if you had conversations with them.
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  Answer so Thomas, No, because he is inside of the unit.
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  You know, he was in charge of ensuring those century
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  rosters was updated to ensure that the accountability of the
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  unit was correct, to make sure that the inmates were
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  placed in their proper cells. Who is this? I'm sorry,
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  hold on question and so in the Shoe we want
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  to be focusing on answer Tino Well, Tino Well was one.
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  Now I know Tova, Now Tova. I can't remember if
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  I spoke to Tova exactly, but I know I had
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  hit all three shifts, meaning that day watch, I was
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  up there on day watch, evening watch. I stayed over
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  because that's what the warden wanted. He told me, Hey,
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  make sure you go and hit all three shifts. The
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  warden told me to do it. So if the warden
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  told me to go do it, why wouldn't I go
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  do it? We sat down, he said, these are the
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  things that I want to happen. First, I want you
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  to make sure walk through talk about make sure the
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  staff is aware that we're doing this, this and this,
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  and also I know that you have that I put
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  out an email, so I just didn't tell them. What
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  do you call that question? So you sent an email
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  to the Shoe Answer? Yeah, I did to all correctional staff,
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  and I think I still got it. Question to all
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  correctional staff. Answer yeah. Question did you ever provide that
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  to anyone? Answer? Huh? Question did you ever provide that
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  to anyone? Answer? No, they never asked for it. Question
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  can you absolutely provide that to us? Answer? Yeah, yeah,
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  I think I have one and we can go to
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  my office so I can show you. I don't want
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  you to think I'll bring it up for you. Question
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  so you would have this Michael Thomas and toven O
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  Weel been on that email? Answer Tova would have been
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  because he's a correctional officer, but not Thomas. Question okay,
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  answer you understand. But however we did was he gets
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  cut off by the investigator? I thought everyone was considered
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  a correctional officer. That's not the case. Answer. As far
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  as emergencies happen. When emergencies happen, regardless of what your
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  discipline is, we all come together. It means you're going
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  to everyone. When you came into BOP, everyone was given
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  the opportunity that when you went through correctional those tactics
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  that you learned in Glencoe, it was about being a
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  correctional officer. It wasn't about being a dentist or being
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  a chaplain or whatever it's about correctional principles introduction to
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  correctional principles. Question. But as far as there is an
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  email that just the people that are worth looking in
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  the correctional officer answer, yeah, and I can show you
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  that because it wasn't just me just talking to them.
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  I put out guidance, and I kept putting out guidance.
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  It wasn't like it was. One time I talked about
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  inmates being placed on suicide watch, I talked about inmates
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  putting on there. What is the difference between close supervision?
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  What is it suicide watch question? Psychological observation answer and
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  psychological There's no such thing as psychological and that you know,
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  there's no such thing. It's called close supervision. There's no
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  such thing as psychological. That was an MCC thing that
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  day made up. So it's a close supervision and RAA's
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  suicide watch question. So you have at least one email though,
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  that you sent to correctional officers saying that Epstein needed
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  to sell mate. Answer. It wasn't saying Epstein. But I
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  do have two. I think I gave one email and
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  one memorandum that I wrote for the five eighty three
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  packet for Epstein. I think you may have that. I
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  don't know if you have it. And then I have
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  wrote another one about the importance of doing thirty minute
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  rounds in special housing unit. Question. Okay, yeah, if you
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  after we're done, either you can send it to me
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  or give it to me. Question. I can give it
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  to you. I'm going to give you a copy. Question
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  all right, then, just I think there's a few more
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  like I don't know how to spell his name or
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  pronounce his name. Redacted Again, that was another non custody guy.
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  So redacted I believe worked in he's a material handler.
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  I think redacted was a material handler, so he's not
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  correction services anymore. However, did they have a background No,
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  I'm sorry. Redacted went to R and D, so he
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  was receiving in discharge. So the staff members worked as
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  correctional officers, came up as correctional officers, but their daily assignment,
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  their job descriptions changed. They're whatever they're non custody. Question.
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  So the people that worked in the shoe and the
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  correctional officers they were aware of, but people that had
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  different functions in the facility, they may not have been. Answer,
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  may not have been because I wouldn't talk to them
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  on a daily basis. Question and what about do you
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  know if there was any kind of like post it
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  notes or sticky notes or he gets cut off by
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  the guard? Yeah? I had created it was one because
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  I said orange card inmates. I said, make sure that
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  these particular inmates have high visibility inmates. And I think
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  talked about that that the inmates their cards should be
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  orange and those would be our high visibility inmates that
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  you and I think I got an email about that too,
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  about the high visibility inmates inside of the unit. You
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  should take special care of to ensure that these inmates
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  are observed when you're doing your rounds. Question anything though
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  about the actual cellmate requirement though? Do you know if
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  there was any kind of like sticky note or any
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  kind of post it saying, hey, make sure that Epstein
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  he gets cut off by the guard. I can't remember,
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  But like I said, I was putting out a lot
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  of guidance, you know, coming from and Jeneau, coming from
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  the warden and things that I would have thought that
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  was beneficial to the correctional officers. I was just putting
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  guidance out. I kept putting it out, you know, like
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  I said, you know, I'm talking to them, I'm putting
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  out the guidance. But if they don't open their email
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  and don't read it. Question, and what about some of
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  the people who are acting lieutenants somebody like an SOS
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  redacted answer and misredacted question redacted? Sorry, no, misredacted. She
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  would work correctional post answer or question, so she should
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  have known answer. She would have known question. Should she
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  have known that Epstein had to have a roommate answer?
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  It's common knowledge that you're supposed to do the thirty
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  minute rounds and be vigilant. But however, would she know
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  necessarily that the protocols were placed on Jeffrey Epstein that
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  he was supposed to have a SELLI. I mean, you
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  see the orange card, if you see the guidance, I
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  believe I had put something together that was the OIC's desk.
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  On the desk talked about the high visibility inmate and
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  Jeffrey Epstein was high visibility. Question but is it understood
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  that high visibility inmates like that need a sell MAT answer? Yes, question, Okay,
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  so you're saying make sure you're doing rounds, but it's
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  also understood if it's a high visibility inmate. They need
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  a cell mat at all times. Answer yes. Question and
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  did they all understand that answer yes? Question okay, and
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  that included Thomas and Nowel Answer, I don't know because
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  they're not custody, and I don't believe I had that
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  conversation with them. I'm not going to lie I didn't
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  have that conversation with them. Question what about some of
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  the lieutenants, like acting lieutenants like redacted? Answer mister redacted, misredacted, Oh,
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  misredacted was in correctional service, and she I believe during
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  the time was working an attorney conference. She was in
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  correctional service. She was working an attorney conference during the time,
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  So misredacted I actually promoted her to acting lieutenant. She
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  was getting paid as a lieutenant, so yes, she would
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  have known question, so she would have or should have known.
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  Answer yes. Question. How about some of these other ones
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  that were on you said redacted? Obviously you already said
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  specifically directed him answer if he yeah, I brought him
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  in the office and we spoke. Yeah. Question do you
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  know how And I think you had said you spoke
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  to him on multiple occasions? Is that correct? And made sure, Hey,
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  make sure this inmate has a cell mate answer. Yes.
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  All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
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  in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All the information that
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