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Dream Team Pt 1 · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Music. And welcome back to the Boundary
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  Corner Podcast, a part of the College Huddle Network along
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  with my partners, Brian Siegler, Jonathan Talley and Shelton
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  Moss. I am Curtis Wilson and we are
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  brought to you by Doctor Jeremy Counts down at the Counts Family
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  Pharmacy, your family Neighborhood Pharmacy, three O 1
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  S Main St. in the Blacksburg. Hey, everybody's back.
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  What's up? Full boat.
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  Let's go. What's wrong?
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  How's everybody doing this evening, Tally?
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  Mornington weather, we got tornado warnings all around.
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  So if y'all lose me, y'all better send the authorities,
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  make sure I'm all right down here.
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  It's a tornado warning every day in in Huntsville.
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  So I mean, I ain't saying that it ain't real because they are
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  real, but it's just like I can only get in that safe space so
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  many times, you know what I'm saying?
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  Too big to be in that little bitty spot.
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  Tally, I'm not going to send the authorities.
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  I'm going to send Glenn Powell after you that.
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  That'd be fine come. On Take care of you.
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  Send send them all. And, and welcome back Shelton.
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  We have not seen Shelton that much basically since February.
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  Shelton, how you doing? I mean, season's over finally,
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  right? Yep, I've been, I've been busy
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  with college baseball season, which takes up all my time, but
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  it's good to be back. We were in, we were in
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  Charleston last weekend for the conference tournament, which was
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  it was good. I mean, we didn't do on the
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  field, but that did not prevent me from having a good time in
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  Charleston. So glad that's all wrapped up
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  now and I got a bunch of free time.
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  So how would it be happy to be back on for the summer?
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  Awesome. Well, love that you had a good
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  time down in Charleston. Great city, great food, great
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  running place, great drinks. I'll be going there in a month.
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  So how? Many times.
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  Are you going this year, Curtis? How many times is your mom going
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  this? Year my mom, like, is on.
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  She just got back today, which was trip #3 to Charleston.
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  She's going in a month with us. That's going to be trip #4 and I
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  think she's going one time near the end of the summer.
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  My mom's going to Charleston five times this year.
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  Now there's family down there. My aunt lives down there, my
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  cousins live down there. So I'm, I'm, I'm my, my cousins,
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  both him, he graduated South Carolina.
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  His son is a junior down there. I'm expecting them to just give
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  me so much shit leading up to Atlanta.
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  Like I'm I'm already prepared for it.
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  So here's what it is. Let's hope we got some shit to
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  give back to him come into August.
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  Nice. That'd be nice.
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  That'd be nice. So everybody's good here, Brian,
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  What have you been up to? I know you sent some good
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  bourbon. Did you send Tally the bourbon
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  picture, by the way? I think you.
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  I didn't. I got I got to send it that way.
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  Yeah, we had some good bourbon down at the in laws this
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  weekend. Thursday I bought a Jeep so.
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  Got a Jeep? Oh.
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  Willis, 2020. Twenty.
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  Oh, you got a real Jeep. Oh, got a Wrangler.
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  You got a real Jeep? Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. It's pretty cool, man.
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  Jeeps are a lot of fun, so make sure you don't have too much
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  fun, you old. Don't be out here.
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  I'm going to have a little fun jumping.
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  Don't be out here jumping hills and sand dunes and stuff like
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  that because it'll do it, especially at Willis.
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  Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir.
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  It looks good. I've seen the picture of it, it
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  looks good. I got.
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  Rims on it, Yeah, yeah. Isn't that nice?
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  I got the the the Stingray. Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, that's good. You just go ahead and get the
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  picture and share it so everybody can see your new whip
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  man. I mean, I got to, I got, I got
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  told about it last Thursday and got to see it last.
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  I hadn't seen it in person yet. I don't know if you're coming
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  over this week, but if you are, I do, I'm going to take a break,
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  go see the new Jeep. If not, I'll see it in two
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  weeks. So absolutely.
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  So obviously we're back. You know, it's the summer law
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  week here, week there. We're on, we're off.
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  And tonight, before we get into what the episode's all about,
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  there are two things I want to break down real quick.
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  First of all, if y'all did not see, I think they finally
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  rounded out the strength and conditioning tab and they hired
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  Jeffrey Eden just a few days ago.
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  Guys been all over the country as a some sort of athletic
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  trainer, athletic director, strength and conditioning coach.
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  But that picture, I sent it to the chat, first thing Tally
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  screams is. He look mean.
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  He look mean. He does look mean then.
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  Strength and conditioning coaches have a certain look that
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  you just don't want to mess with them.
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  Certain ones, you know what I'm saying?
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  So they got a couple on that staff that I probably wouldn't,
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  wouldn't want to piss off. If they say lift the weight, I'm
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  probably going to try to lift the weight.
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  I'm trying to get it up. Yeah, I think, I think between
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  him and Ferg, the way they look at you, I could be pretty
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  motivated to lift some weights. Damn right, damn right.
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  Let me see. Oh that's right, he came from
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  Miami and by looking you can he follows the Hokies more than he
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  does Miami. Y'all know?
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  That I know he got all kind of maroon with.
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  You he had by Miami and Oregon too, right?
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  He was at Oregon for a bit. He was at Oregon for a bit as
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  well. Now, Shelton, you got some
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  Intel, a little bit of insight, couple guys you know had good
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  things to say about him, correct?
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  Yeah, just a little shout out our our Strengthos chair at WNM
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  who I I work with, I go the way a lot just, you know, see him
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  around a lot. He has some high praise for him.
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  So again, I mean that's kind of just, you know, you know, giving
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  a little bit of a shout on Congrats, but I thought that was
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  to see kind of the Interstate mingling there.
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  Give me a shout out for the for the hire.
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  Yeah, it's it's cool to see that they round the staff out.
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  It looks like it's a staff of obviously Ferg.
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  He felt like he he deserved probably a chance a few years
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  ago he brought in some some some fellow Hokies back along with
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  some new blood in there. So it's good to see that.
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  And I think the staff is now done right.
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  There ain't nobody else to hire a fire.
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  I mean, there's always people to fire, but you know that that
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  that depends on I think, I think if they're.
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  Hiring anyone at this point, they're hiring new positions.
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  Yeah, which we need. So we'll we'll we'll go ahead
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  and say that the other piece I wanted to hit is it looks like
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  this is going to take place and I just want to get y'all's
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  opinions on it. Is College Football Playoff
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  tally. Make the joke, Kurt.
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  We ain't going to be there. So why you care about it?
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  I care about it on your ass. But we are no longer conference
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  championships. Doesn't matter anymore, you win,
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  you still in the top five are still in.
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  But now it's just that straight seating down, you know, 1 to 16
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  because that's the way it's going to look 1 to 12 probably
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  this year. Y'all like y'all hate y'all
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  don't give a damn. It's fair.
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  It's not fair because it did feel like in my opinion, Oregon
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  just got job last year getting lined up with Ohio State.
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  Let me ask this, would you prefer having the conference
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  champion be in regardless but it's still be seated based on
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  committee, or would you rather every conference get one
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  automatic bid regardless of whether they're conference
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  champion or not? Same seating.
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  Give me a second. I've also lost communication
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  here. I don't know man.
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  I'm just, I guess, do we care enough about conference
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  championship as long as one conference is every conference,
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  Every P4 conference is getting an automatic bid anyway.
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  I think as long as they get automatic bids, I think that's
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  that's it. It's to me, I think it as long
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  as you get the bid in, I don't think it should matter one way
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  or the other. I mean the the way.
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  Well, yeah, you see, Chris. Chris on our ass.
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  Hey, I asked a good question. Everybody was dumbstruck.
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  And we were dumbstruck here. Yeah, that's a good question.
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  But it's just like Curtis, I mean, I don't know, man.
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  Like if you're getting to be it. You get a bid.
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  You get to be it. It's you get a seat at the.
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  The bigger part about it is getting a seat at the table,
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  right? That's the most important part.
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  As long as there is a seat at the table in the correct manner,
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  then it doesn't matter because people can say, well, you got to
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  go this many games and you got to play this team like, OK, what
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  if you beat that team right like that, That's the goal is to win.
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  People say, well, that's a tougher path.
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  Like you say what you won't say what Ohio State did they they
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  had to play Tennessee that in that stadium was not that
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  stadium was 7030 like they did not have a full home field
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  advantage. Then you got they had to go to
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  the Rose Bowl with Oregon off a bat.
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  Yep, they played Oregon tight and then they beat that ass and
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  then the next game was the Texas game.
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  It doesn't matter. You're going to have to be 4
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  probably very good teams to win the national title from now on.
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  So you have to play somebody, you have to play somebody good.
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  I mean, some somebody's role could be easier, but you have to
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  play somebody good to get there anyway.
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  So it's like you got to be built to win when you get to that
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  position anyway. So it's like it don't it don't
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  matter. It does matter, but it don't
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  matter who you playing first. It don't matter as much because
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  you're going to have to, you got to win to get there, so.
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  My my thought is that, like the conference championships in my
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  mind mattered more when it had to be the differentiator of
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  potentially who represented your conference in a fourteen playoff
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  or I agree or, you know, would you be going to a fourteen
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  playoff because of your conference championship game?
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  And, and, and I think that that matters so much less now that I
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  mean, even we saw it this year, like a lot of teams that had
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  stuff locked up, like almost didn't want to play the game,
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  but you know, did because it's like, well, I, I, you know,
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  there, there was something attached to it.
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  But I don't think it really matters so much from a who's in
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  or who's out because one of the more than likely if a team would
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  have, would have been in before the conference championship,
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  they're going to be in after the conference championship.
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  So you're basically, I think in some ways undermining the
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  regular season because you're throwing in a potential
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  conference champion that maybe didn't have the resume to do it
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  because of that automatic bid. Sheldon, I want to say
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  something, but I want to give you a moment if you've got
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  anything to add. Yeah, I mean, as as someone who
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  grew up watching FCS football, who kind of has a different
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  perspective on this, just seeing a much more, you know, well
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  structured playoff. I I think conference title games
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  like Brian was alluding to made sense in a bowl and for and
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  limited playoff system. They do not make any sense in an
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  expanded playoff system because you've are, I mean,
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  theoretically you like you should, you should be in if you
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  win the regular season. That's the, that's the reward
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  for, for being good in the season is, you know, the, the
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  auto bid for, for winning an 8 or 9 game regular season.
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  So I just, I mean, but, but again, they make money.
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  So it's like they're not going to get rid of it, but it plays
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  into the seeding. I don't know.
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  I mean, I don't have an issue with the, with the change to
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  getting rid of the auto bids, But I, I will say I, I feel like
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  people are going to complain when the committee shows
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  favoritism to the SEC and big 10 schools like no auto bids.
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  OK, so they can, they can put whatever they want at the one
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  seed at the zoo seed. So that's kind of a try it off
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  you make there. See, my bigger point is you
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  really want to make the regular season matter and Jim put it up
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  here. I'm going to throw it up here
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  real quick. What Jim said.
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  If you win your regular and it's kind of a, if you win a regular
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  season P4 title, you don't need to play that first.
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  You don't need to play championship game.
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  Basically what you look at the championship game to me and I
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  know it's being floated, it's going to happen probably in the
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  Big 12, in the ACC and somewhat the SEC in the Big 10 is your
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  regular season. You went eight and one won't
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  nobody as good as you in the regular season.
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  You're in your regular and then say now to get that next seeding
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  or to get the next two seedings, OK, you got to go win another
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  game. You ain't going to just get
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  shoved in. You've actually got to do
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  something to prove it. And to me that becomes that.
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  That makes the regular season more valuable.
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  Win the regular season title, get a buy or you're straight
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  into the playoff. You ain't got to play another
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  game. And then it's even bigger
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  because it's stupid as it sounds.
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  And I always say this, some system like that, like where
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  Tech was last year at the beginning of November.
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  Listen, you win all your you win the rest of your games.
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  You went out. You have a chance to play your
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  way in. Let me ask you, regular season
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  more. Yeah.
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  Let me ask you this though. So what I don't like about that
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  is that now you're going to potentially have a handful of at
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  larges that didn't have to play an extra game that those two
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  seeds in the conference did, right?
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  So in theory, I mean, most of the time anybody that's that
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  large was probably playing in those games anyway most of the
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  time. But there's only some instances
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  where that was not the case. Then that is what it is.
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  I mean, I mean, no, no systems going to be perfect, but you
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  know, the upside is likely they're going to have to go on
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  the road. I'd much rather go ahead and
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  start the playoffs earlier than do a play in there.
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  So you're just saying regular season chance go in and then the
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  next best way? Whatever your tie Breakers are,
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  that's how you get the automatic bids versus the at large bids.
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  Right. And go ahead and start the day
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  in playoffs so you can have more home games and let these things
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  actually play out on campus as early as they can and then move
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  them to the bowls in the latter latter half like we've seen the
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  latter. 3 Yep, exactly. And nobody gets about, I mean.
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  If we're going to 16, that's the way to do it in my opinion.
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  Just straight basically after Thanksgiving that weekend, man.
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  This isn't November. Yeah, the first week, Yeah, the
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  first weekend most time would be in November or early December,
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  right? Like chaos, chaos on.
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  It'll be either. The last weekend of November.
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  Or the first chaos. Christmas chaos.
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  Exactly. All righty.
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  So I always like to talk about that stuff because that's going
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  to be the future college football, whether you like it or
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  not, because money rules everything.
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  It's cream, y'all know it. That's your smile.
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  Like Cali caught that. It's.
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  All that matters nowadays. So let's roll on and let's have
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  some fun tonight because for those who were catching it
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  beforehand, Brian, I'll let you put the little thing up here.
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  This is something I've been wanting to do for about 3 years
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  now, maybe longer, but I've always wanted to do something
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  where you sit here and you talk about you had to put a dream
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  team together and let's get into that first.
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  What is a dream team? Brian?
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  You posed a question to us three earlier so I'm going to let you
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  have the floor. But what's a dream team in your
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  opinion? And then Shelton Tally myself
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  will answer that as well. All right, to me, a dream team
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  is not a team that where you're saying I want the absolute
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  highest achieving player at this position to go out there.
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  A dream team to me is I want the best overall team, the team and
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  the players of each position that I would be willing to put
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  up against. The best from an Alabama, the
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  best from Michigan, the best from Penn State.
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  Like if if we were taking this on the road and had to play
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  games with this team, this is the person I would want at these
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  positions. So this isn't necessary.
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  Like stats play into this, but this is not a who has the best
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  numbers, who looked the most dominant?
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  It it's it's about who would you put on this team to go out there
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  and and, and play against these other best teams from these
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  other schools. That's how I was looking at it
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  when I built my team. So I'll let someone go next who
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  wants to explain what they did in their process.
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  Yeah, similar, similar thing. But you're also for me whenever
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  you're talking about dream team, because it always comes up with
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  like basketball, of course, right.
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  But when you talk about a dream team, it's also who you enjoy
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  watching play like who you enjoy or you know, who you were able
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  to see play. So maybe it was somebody back in
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  the 1900s that I didn't watch play that was much better than
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  anybody that we seen. So you know, it's you always get
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  the, the, the LeBron, Kobe, Jordan argument, right?
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  I'm a Kobe guy, like Kobe is my guy.
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  That's why I watch play the most.
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  I thought he was. I'm not saying he was the best
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  player. I'm not saying he was the most
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  dominant. I'm not saying he's the best NBA
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  player ever. I'm just saying like if I'm
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  starting a dream team, he's going to be he's going to be at
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  my 2. So comes down to a lot of what
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  Brian said, but also a throw in the aspect of who you enjoyed
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  watching or who you have some who you have some history of
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  watching. Sheldon.
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  Yeah, I mean, I, I tried to find a balance between like, you
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  know, pure production and raw talents because I, I just think,
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  you know, some guys like they they'll they'll put up numbers,
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  but maybe aren't necessarily like, you know, the best player
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  or, you know, they might be the most talented, but they don't.
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  I got like Cam Chancellor, he didn't necessarily show that,
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  you know, right away. And obviously it goes on to have
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  a really good, productive NFL career, but doesn't really, you
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  know, blossom at that particular time.
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  So for me, it's like it's just pure ability and and, you know,
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  production and talent, the combination of that, you know,
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  like Brian said, can you actually win me a football game
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  against it? That's the best.
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  That to me is sort of the the the standard from which I judge.
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  Yeah, y'all, y'all summed up in so many ways and that's what
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  went through my head. Raw talent, statistics.
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  I like what talent said who I like to play.
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  Y'all see that come in later because it's it's one thing, but
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  it then it's elements of their game right, You know, because
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  certain guys did certain things better than other guys and
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  you're like you've got to have that certain guys were just
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  straight up dogs like I want that guy playing like that guy's
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  not going to let somebody beat him.
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  That guy's not going to get tackled easy.
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  So it's a lot of fun. This is the first of two because
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  tonight we're doing the offense. We're going to figure out when
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  we're going to do the defense because Tally's going on a
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  cruise, Shelton's going to Arizona, I'm going to
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  Charleston's bronze staycation in multiple places this summer.
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  So we're going to find a second one to do the defense.
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  But tonight, we are starting with the offense and I know we
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  got a lot of folks watching out there tonight.
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  Feel free to put in the comments yours and this is kind of the
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  breakdown. One quarterback.
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  Yep, one quarterback. I know everybody's like what
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  about two deep one quarterback because your one quarterback
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  ankle never come out. Y'all know that?
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  Tight ends, we went two, wide receivers we went five, lineman,
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  we went seven because legitimate Brian can attest to this from
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  playing in college. Tally probably can attest to it
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  and Shelton probably can attest to it.
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  We all can attest to it. Usually you're rotating about 7
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  lineman, yo 7 best lineman are going to play at some point and
• 22:03
  then running backs 3. Andretti, you didn't got defense
• 22:08
  on there, man. This is just offense tonight.
• 22:10
  Just offense and don't worry, we're going to pull it up here
• 22:13
  in just a second. Robbie with the exciting whites.
• 22:18
  The exciting white. Yeah, hold on.
• 22:22
  Not a black man Insight, Robin. You got the ginger on me.
• 22:27
  So let's start it up, Brian. Bring up the first category here
• 22:32
  and we are starting with the quarterbacks.
• 22:36
  And I'm going to lead the charge on this one because in my
• 22:39
  personal opinion, and we're going to go through all four of
• 22:41
  us and then start arguing and cursing and letting people get
• 22:45
  pissed off at us in the chat. My personal opinion?
• 22:48
  There's only one Mr. Electricity MV7.
• 22:52
  Michael Vick will be my card and quarterback for this dream team,
• 22:55
  Ron. Yeah, I I went through a couple
• 23:00
  of different scenarios here, but it came down to from just an
• 23:05
  overall ability standpoint, who would I trust to spin it in a
• 23:08
  game? And it's got to be Mike Vick.
• 23:14
  Tally. So everybody knows Michael Vick
• 23:18
  is my favorite player. So I mean, it's only one answer
• 23:22
  that really can go in this. But I did not pick him.
• 23:27
  I did not pick Michael Vick because that was the obvious
• 23:30
  answer. And in my mind, I say it if
• 23:33
  Michael Vick's not available, because everybody's going to
• 23:35
  pick Michael Vick, who would I go with?
• 23:38
  And I had to go with Jerrod Evans.
• 23:40
  Not only that, if you think about what Jerrod did, and I
• 23:43
  know we'll talk about it a little bit, you go back and look
• 23:46
  at his production, who's off the charts, man?
• 23:49
  Like, I don't think Virginia Tech seen a quarterback.
• 23:52
  I know we ain't seen a quarterback do what he done ever
• 23:58
  in a long time, you know? So I had to go with Jerrod Man
• 24:01
  to go all. Right and Shelton.
• 24:05
  Yeah, so I went, I became a little bit of a contrarian here.
• 24:08
  I went tie rod and not saying not saying it's better than NV
• 24:12
  7, but I just think from a, from a pure passing production
• 24:16
  standpoint, I really like him. I also think, you know, he he
• 24:20
  just had such an insane work ethic and leadership ability
• 24:23
  that that's the guy I went leading my team.
• 24:25
  So no disrespect to NV 7, but I I just think he was a guy that I
• 24:30
  want in that, you know, that winner take all situation to to
• 24:33
  lead my team. I will caveat by Michael Vick
• 24:37
  pick in that more than any other Virginia Tech quarterback we we
• 24:42
  got to see what Mike could do after Virginia Tech.
• 24:46
  Right. And I think because of that, we
• 24:49
  know where not only we saw how he impacted the quarterback
• 24:53
  position both at the college and the NFL level, but we also saw
• 24:57
  how he grew as a quarterback because of what he was able to
• 25:02
  do in the next level, right? So we we know where his ceiling
• 25:05
  is a lot more than I think we know.
• 25:10
  Jerrod in particular, obviously Tyrod to a lesser extent with
• 25:12
  him having some starting experience in the NFL, but but
• 25:16
  still more of a limited role throughout his career.
• 25:23
  By the way, if if everybody's wondering because I had to look
• 25:26
  it up with Jerrod Evans when Tally sent me this one year,
• 25:31
  3500 yards, 29 touchdown passes, 8 picks, 846 rushing yards and
• 25:38
  12 touchdowns. Above. 40 touchdowns accounted
• 25:43
  for 8 picks. The man.
• 25:47
  I mean, that season he had back in 16 was unbelievable.
• 25:50
  And that's why it's like I, you know, I wouldn't tell him
• 25:53
  playing on that. And, and, and for me, it wasn't
• 25:58
  Jerrod, but Shelton. I was like fencing between
• 26:01
  Victoria and Taylor because it was 2 separate times in my life.
• 26:05
  Mike Vick, I was 16 years old and that season was like, you
• 26:11
  know, you, you go back and think about the memories being 16.
• 26:14
  Now I'm 41, yeah, 41. And it's and it's like, Oh my
• 26:19
  gosh, that was still unbelievable things I've seen.
• 26:22
  But Tyrod was in my mid 20s and winning ACC titles.
• 26:27
  Knowing how good it was. I just the the one thing that'll
• 26:31
  always get me. It's a good question.
• 26:36
  Maybe we do that. In a few, not anybody we've ever
• 26:39
  had get somebody else, get somebody from another school.
• 26:44
  But I don't know Ricky Bussell, I mean, Ricky Bussell fucked it
• 26:47
  up the least because we'd be honest, but but Tyrod for those
• 26:55
  years in the mid 2000s, I mean, you're right.
• 26:58
  The the leadership was there, the numbers were there.
• 27:01
  I mean, you know, before Logan, I mean 7000 career passing, it
• 27:06
  was 44 touchdown, 20 picks. And so, you know, I, I, I see
• 27:13
  some people putting out there Andretti's throwing some running
• 27:17
  backs. We're going to get there in a
• 27:18
  little while. Andretti cold pie.
• 27:19
  But who is, was there anybody else?
• 27:23
  Because some people I, I, I was tally.
• 27:25
  We didn't get what we expected. I expected someone who is 10
• 27:29
  years older me say drunken. Miller I thought somebody was
• 27:32
  going to definitely say drunken, Miller by now, Definitely
• 27:34
  thought. Somebody was going to say
• 27:35
  drunken Miller. Who else?
• 27:37
  Who else? I don't know, man.
• 27:41
  Like another thing you have to think about whenever you're
• 27:43
  looking at like a dream team, you're looking at a Virginia
• 27:45
  Tech dream team, right? So it's not like potential.
• 27:50
  I mean, it is because it's so hard because like you have to
• 27:54
  think of the overall of what they've done.
• 27:56
  But realistically, when you're creating a dream team, you're
• 27:59
  just talking about for that team.
• 28:02
  You know what I'm saying? Once again, I go back to
• 28:04
  basketball. When you talk about the greats,
• 28:07
  Laker fan, you think about what Shaq did for the Lakers.
• 28:11
  The Shaq that played for Cleveland or the Celtics was a
• 28:15
  different Shaq. So he's probably not on their
• 28:18
  all Time Team, but he's definitely on the all time Laker
• 28:21
  team. So that's another reason why I
• 28:23
  kind of, you know, went with what I did.
• 28:25
  Again, it would always be Michael Vick for me because
• 28:28
  Michael Vick is my guy like that.
• 28:29
  He is the guy. But also when you just when
• 28:33
  you're creating this, I didn't feel like we could leave Jerrod
• 28:35
  Evans off of this list just because if you look at a pure
• 28:40
  numbers perspective, again, Michael Vick was the number one
• 28:43
  pick, not downplaying anything he'd done.
• 28:47
  He had a year where he had, you know, 8 touchdowns and six
• 28:52
  picks, you know, from a quarterback perspective,
• 28:54
  throwing the ball. And then if you look at rushing
• 28:57
  yards, Jerrod had more rushing yards than him in a single
• 29:02
  season, which is crazy to me to even think that that could
• 29:05
  happen. But again, that ball was much
• 29:07
  different than the ball that Jerrod played or Tyrod played or
• 29:11
  even look at what Tyrod did. He just had that it factor, you
• 29:15
  know what I'm saying? Winning games in the last second
• 29:17
  and things like that. So I can see why he's on that
• 29:20
  list. I can see why Sheldon would say
• 29:22
  I want him to lead my team. Again, just looking at what they
• 29:26
  done in a Virginia Tech jersey is another reason why I kind of
• 29:30
  went with some of the picks that I went with.
• 29:33
  Because once you start looking at, you know, NFL and what
• 29:37
  they've done for the community and stuff like that, Yeah, of
• 29:39
  course it sways. You know what I mean?
• 29:41
  They're saying, like Brian said, the full potential of Michael
• 29:44
  Vick once he got to the league. But.
• 29:47
  What about this one? And Jerry said he won Michael
• 29:50
  Brewer. Michael Brewer because Michael
• 29:52
  Brewer wins big games in tough plays.
• 29:54
  Big game Brewer. Big game Brewer.
• 29:56
  I'll, I'll say this, when we think about Mike relative to
• 30:01
  Jerrod, I mean to some some degree relative to Tyrod even
• 30:05
  like put Mike in a in a spread offense and it it would be
• 30:12
  insane what his numbers would have done.
• 30:15
  Yeah. And I mean, I know it's, you
• 30:17
  know, it's, it's, it's, it's hard to like look at his stats
• 30:21
  relative to, to some of the quarterbacks that played 2010
• 30:24
  and later. And it played in more open
• 30:26
  systems that had a true focus on generating offense on the on the
• 30:31
  ground with the quarterback, but still spread enough where
• 30:35
  there's room to operate and, and throw it as well, both short and
• 30:39
  intermediate. You know, most of what Mike was
• 30:41
  doing was, you know, handing the ball off some some some power
• 30:48
  options and then for chucking it deep.
• 30:51
  And and just and just scrambling.
• 30:54
  He revolutionized, he revolutionized the quarterback
• 30:56
  position. I mean, it's nothing you you can
• 31:00
  go back and watch some some Michael Vick highlights.
• 31:04
  You know how hard it had to be to to be offensive coordinator
• 31:06
  to have him as easy as some people think it would be.
• 31:08
  Like it had to be so hard because if he goes on a bootleg
• 31:12
  or he goes to roll out, you know, he's getting to that spot
• 31:15
  much faster than anybody else on the team.
• 31:18
  So he's there faster than the wide receivers.
• 31:20
  He's there. He's sitting back there waiting
• 31:22
  for somebody to get to the spot where they need him to be.
• 31:25
  So whatever play they drew up, he had to I mean, he had to
• 31:29
  change it like because he's he was so fast, you know what I'm
• 31:32
  saying? He was so quick and his arm was
• 31:36
  a rocket, so it was crazy, man. Just that I I go back a lot of
• 31:40
  times and watch some of his highlights and it's ridiculous
• 31:43
  to me that he never seems like he's in distress, like he's
• 31:46
  running full speed. It was 19.
• 31:48
  Faster than everybody on the field.
• 31:50
  In tally, that was 26 years ago. That's like, that's the level in
• 31:55
  where he is. Throw that one back up there.
• 31:57
  This is the one that tore Brian's heart, too.
• 32:00
  Oh yeah. Brian Randall, I mean, great
• 32:03
  leader. I wanted to do it.
• 32:04
  I was like, I can't. I can't quite make the
• 32:06
  justification here. I can't quite do it.
• 32:09
  I'm surprised that none of the old heads are thrown.
• 32:12
  Don struck out there. We will ignore the interception
• 32:17
  count in 72. Yes, you you ignore the
• 32:20
  Intercept and anybody that played like 3/19/92, you have to
• 32:24
  ignore the the interception counts because back then you
• 32:27
  could just murder wide outs and murder quarterbacks.
• 32:30
  People didn't care. They do nowadays, so, but yeah,
• 32:34
  so again, quite a few regardless what you say, but this is who
• 32:38
  this is. Who's leading I teams out of the
• 32:40
  gate. No one took Marcus.
• 32:43
  Well, you know, Jim, I'll put that up there real quick just so
• 32:46
  he can see it. I'd be afraid night before the
• 32:51
  game he'd do something stupid and he'd be suspended for the
• 32:54
  game so we wouldn't have a quarterback.
• 32:57
  Hey, depending on who we playing, it's true.
• 32:59
  They know who playing. We playing Miami, I put Marcus
• 33:02
  in, go beat them up. Hey, kicking people, Go, go beat
• 33:06
  them up, man. Do what you want to do to them.
• 33:08
  Oh. Man Jr.
• 33:10
  No. Oh, man.
• 33:14
  Oh, wait, we are playing. We playing Louis?
• 33:16
  Yeah, he going to go stomp on somebody and he's going to get
• 33:19
  kicked out of the game. Let's go.
• 33:22
  We playing West Virginia. Hey, you got full range to do
• 33:25
  whatever you want to do. We just want to win.
• 33:27
  If it's a rivalry game or a bowl game, let's ride with Marcus.
• 33:32
  Put him in. Let's go all.
• 33:35
  Righty, there's your quarterback, there's your
• 33:38
  quarterback one for the dream team.
• 33:39
  I'd love to see you guys as y'all start hearing it, throw
• 33:43
  your, throw your quarterbacks, throw your tight ends wide outs
• 33:46
  as we get to them. All right, let's go next.
• 33:49
  Let's start with tight ends. We said we're going to do 2
• 33:51
  tight ends. Brian, like what about 3?
• 33:53
  I'm like now 3 is too easy, 3 is too easy.
• 33:56
  So we go to Tally. I'll let you talk about yours
• 34:00
  first. Yeah, I talked about all that
• 34:02
  stuff, looking at what they did in Virginia Tech jersey, and
• 34:06
  then I put a quarterback in Logan Thomas and Greg Boone,
• 34:12
  man, Now we did get to see Logan Thomas at tight end, which is
• 34:16
  his natural position. You know, he had to get thrust
• 34:19
  in the playing quarterback, which did a good job at that.
• 34:24
  But just think about if we had Tyrod for that extra year and he
• 34:28
  was a tight end, what he was more naturally playing.
• 34:31
  And then Greg Boone just was very versatile, you know what
• 34:35
  I'm saying? You watch what he did as a tight
• 34:38
  end and one of the Wild Turkey with him because he did play
• 34:41
  some quarterback in high school and things like that, like just
• 34:45
  a fun player to watch. Like if you go back and watch
• 34:47
  Boone, he just was super fun to watch Gritty.
• 34:50
  You know what I'm saying, Paul, I know we hate that word, you
• 34:53
  know, but oh, and somebody said, who would your OC be?
• 34:56
  Man, we I think we can get Fuente to be the OC and we'd be
• 34:59
  good to go. We don't need him to be the head
• 35:01
  coach and recruit, just be the OC and I think we'd be all
• 35:03
  right. So, but yeah, my back to was
• 35:07
  Logan Thomas and Greg Boone all. Right, Brian.
• 35:13
  All right. I almost went with Greg Boone in
• 35:15
  place of Logan Thomas there. So shout out Tally for that.
• 35:20
  It needs to be studied the quarterback to tight end
• 35:25
  trajectory at Virginia Tech because we've had a lot of them,
• 35:31
  But I I went with Jeff King. I played against Jeff King in
• 35:36
  high school. Dude was a beast.
• 35:39
  He he, he, he stayed a beast at Virginia Tech.
• 35:43
  He was pretty damn solid as an NFL player.
• 35:45
  He's doing a lot of things up in the front office now.
• 35:47
  So been riding with Jeff King for a while and I went with
• 35:52
  Logan Thomas here as well because I feel like just if I
• 35:55
  want to put the most versatile guy out there that can catch the
• 35:58
  ball, that matches up well as kind of like a joker because I
• 36:02
  mean, just just more of the blocking guy.
• 36:04
  Logan's going to give me a little bit of that joker tight
• 36:06
  end look that I want while still being big enough and capable
• 36:10
  enough when I need some short yardage runs.
• 36:12
  So go with Logan here. And obviously Jeff.
• 36:15
  Jeff is the the stalwart that can do a little bit of
• 36:18
  everything from a tight end perspective.
• 36:21
  All right, Shelton. Yeah, so I, I kind of halfway
• 36:25
  punted on this. I got, I got Lt. in there.
• 36:29
  You know, in my time as a Vt fan, which, or a Vt watcher,
• 36:32
  which is mostly the, the Lt. era, which was started, we
• 36:36
  haven't really had a ton of elite tight end play.
• 36:38
  And so it's, it's hard for me to comment on, you know, on guys
• 36:40
  that play before my, my era. I, I personally do not consider
• 36:45
  Bucky Hodges a tight end or at least a true tight end.
• 36:49
  Some people might disagree, but that's just how I look at it.
• 36:51
  So I got Lt. in there just, you know, because he obviously had
• 36:55
  the, had the production, But I, I think, you know, it was more
• 36:58
  kind of the earlier heyday of the Beamer era that we kind of
• 37:01
  had the, you know, the top tight ends.
• 37:02
  But that was just that was just before my time.
• 37:04
  There was one in your era I thought you were going to put on
• 37:07
  here. I thought you were going to put
• 37:08
  James Mitchell fixed on gap because.
• 37:10
  Yes, James Mitchell, again kind of a tweener though.
• 37:13
  So if you want to go like true tight end or you know, lifted
• 37:16
  tight end, you can you can debate that.
• 37:19
  All right, I'm I'm going last here.
• 37:22
  First one was Jeff King. Always remember Jeff King played
• 37:26
  at Pulaski, right? Pulaski.
• 37:28
  Yeah, Pulaski. I was going to say K Spring, but
• 37:31
  no, that's where the other guy played.
• 37:34
  And I had Logan initially and I didn't realize what somebody did
• 37:41
  and I went looked at some stats and my second is the color
• 37:46
  analyst. The Greek got himself one of the
• 37:48
  funnest guys to talk to. If you ever at a Hokie event and
• 37:51
  you see Mike burnup, first of all, stop and talk to him.
• 37:55
  He will talk to you. He will give you the time of
• 37:57
  day. He's funny, he makes you laugh.
• 38:01
  But did you all know he held that tight end record till
• 38:04
  Brookie broke it for over 40 years, almost 46 years.
• 38:10
  And in 1971 and 1972 that man combined for 80 receptions and
• 38:18
  over 1000 yards with five touchdowns.
• 38:22
  It is 1972. So I know he can block.
• 38:26
  He's like 70 in the shape he's in in his 70s puts me to shame.
• 38:31
  In my 20s. So I went Mikey Burnup because I
• 38:36
  know he can block. Any Jeff King to receive and
• 38:38
  threats to smart players in but but it's so tough because you
• 38:47
  know Sheldon, you probably pull it up real quick.
• 38:49
  Can you get us what Logan did as a tight end in the NFL?
• 38:53
  Yep. Do that real quick.
• 38:56
  I'm surprised no one, at least at to this point.
• 39:00
  I thought I thought Sheldon might have thrown like a Dalton
• 39:02
  Keene in there. Yes, I I did think about Dalton
• 39:05
  Keene. I just, I just didn't.
• 39:07
  I didn't want to lump him in with the legends of the past
• 39:10
  that I did not have the privilege of watching.
• 39:12
  That's fair, That's fair. Dalton had a good career,
• 39:15
  nothing wrong with that. And if somebody threw if
• 39:17
  somebody throws salmon there because they say, you know, he
• 39:20
  played H back and stuff, that's fine as well.
• 39:24
  But what did you get it up yet, Shelton?
• 39:26
  Yeah, so Lt. he totaled 219 catches just north of 2000 yards
• 39:33
  and 16 touchdowns. And most of his production
• 39:35
  obviously came with Washington in the last four years of his
• 39:37
  career. Four years and and just think
• 39:41
  about that because he was out if I'm not mistaken, he did not
• 39:45
  play for two or three years while he was transitioning.
• 39:48
  Yeah to playing tight end. So go back because Tally tally
• 39:53
  Brown one of y'all said it make sometimes voices ring together
• 39:57
  about that extra year. Tal.
• 39:59
  I think you said it. If he had played tight end that
• 40:01
  extra year. Could you imagine if he had just
• 40:04
  came in it was a tight end right away.
• 40:06
  He probably would have held every record his his.
• 40:11
  I mean, first three round draft pick based on what he did later
• 40:14
  in his career switching positions, I mean that's
• 40:22
  unbelievable to to do what he did.
• 40:24
  Robbie's calling us out here. Robbie's calling us out.
• 40:30
  Nothing makes sense. We we switched everybody in
• 40:33
  there. I told you what I was doing from
• 40:35
  Jump Street here. I said I was making the team
• 40:39
  that I want to play against everybody else and if I'm doing
• 40:42
  that, the best tight end that based on body of work that I've
• 40:46
  seen both for Virginia Tech and outside of Virginia Tech, I'm
• 40:51
  putting Logan Thomas a tight end.
• 40:55
  Same. Not saying Bucky's not a tight
• 40:59
  end because he plays the position, but if I'm creating a
• 41:03
  team, I'm putting him at a wide receiver position.
• 41:08
  He was listed as a wide receiver in Puente's offense.
• 41:11
  Right and then the people that I have as a wide receiver on this
• 41:16
  dream team just fit this team better great deep ball.
• 41:21
  I mean great deep ball option and he did AI mean great
• 41:24
  production at Virginia Tech great player.
• 41:26
  So not taking anything away from Bucky.
• 41:28
  Bucky was a great player, but. Bucky could get open and Bucky
• 41:31
  could come down with a big catch.
• 41:33
  Bucky was awful after the after the catch.
• 41:36
  He got to slide. He was going to slide down and
• 41:38
  catch it like he. Was going to get it, he was
• 41:40
  going to go down or he was going to get it and he was already in
• 41:42
  the end zone. Oh, yeah.
• 41:43
  And that's OK. So again, it's not like, you
• 41:47
  know, he did anything wrong. But it's just tight ends that
• 41:51
  you want. Yeah, you want to be as a tight
• 41:53
  end for me. You want these tight ends to be
• 41:56
  able to block and catch and be versatile.
• 42:00
  The two that I have can do that. Just what it is.
• 42:05
  And yes, Robbie Curtis can put that up.
• 42:10
  I'm putting it up. Oh, everybody's in feelings
• 42:15
  tonight. Wait, listen, I do say this
• 42:18
  before we, as we wrap up the tight end room is every guy
• 42:22
  we've got on there could probably block their asses off.
• 42:25
  Logan showed it again in minimal time in Washington that he was a
• 42:30
  willing blocker and again, that's going away.
• 42:35
  So to me, if you can find one of those guys that can do that,
• 42:37
  it's unbelievable. Let's move over to the offensive
• 42:41
  line. And Brian, who is your 7?
• 42:48
  All right. No particular order.
• 42:49
  Actually, I'll give you in a particular order.
• 42:52
  This is my starting five. Dwayne Brown, I won't put him at
• 42:58
  right. I will put Christian Darrisaw at
• 42:59
  left. OK.
• 43:03
  Give me Jake at center. Let's go white right, will left
• 43:09
  and then I've got Jim Pine and Eugene Chang coming off my bench
• 43:12
  here. All right, arguably the I mean,
• 43:18
  I'd say not even arguably literally the two best centers
• 43:21
  that Virginia Tech has ever seen on here.
• 43:26
  Arguably the two best, you know, tackles.
• 43:30
  I'll, I'll say I'll throw 3 in there.
• 43:32
  And then you got Wyatt Taylor, Will Montgomery, the two best
• 43:35
  true guards that we've ever had. So I don't think that's too
• 43:40
  controversial, but that, that that's my, that's my 7 all.
• 43:45
  Right, Shelton. All right, so we'll start with
• 43:49
  our tackles, Dwayne Brown pretty, pretty self-explanatory,
• 43:53
  Darasaw. I mean, again, just in my time
• 43:55
  watching the most purely talented alignment we've had,
• 43:58
  not span, just his physical tools, the hips, the the foot
• 44:02
  speed, just incredible. I also went with Don Oakes.
• 44:05
  Now, Don Oakes is a little bit of a throwback as a as a history
• 44:08
  guy. So he played at Tech back in the
• 44:13
  late 1950s. He was a NFL draft pick in 1961.
• 44:17
  So I kind of just threw him in there as kind of a bonus to give
• 44:19
  a shout out to the to the old, the old heads there.
• 44:23
  But he's in there as a tackle. And then Jim Pine J Grove at
• 44:27
  center and then why seller and Will Montgomery over at at the
• 44:32
  at the car position. That's kind of my my 7 there
• 44:35
  all. Right.
• 44:37
  I'll go up next. There's a trend here because the
• 44:41
  two best tackles we've ever seen was Dwayne Brown and Christian
• 44:43
  Garrisaw. And then it looks almost similar
• 44:46
  to bronze. I think Jake Grove is.
• 44:53
  I think if Jake Grove had not, what is it?
• 44:56
  He fucked up his hip, right? What did J Grove fuck up?
• 44:59
  Because he played like 6 years and then all of a sudden he just
• 45:02
  retired. I mean J Grove was unbelievable
• 45:05
  center. Like you don't win the Remington
• 45:07
  and not be good because that's one of those things that you
• 45:09
  win. It's like you're technically
• 45:10
  unbelievable because they don't give that to anybody.
• 45:14
  Wyatt Teller, one of the guys like from Jump Street from the
• 45:17
  second he got recruited, it was like he's going to be a great
• 45:21
  player and he was a great player and he continues to be a great
• 45:23
  player. My third one was my Switch 1.
• 45:26
  I love Derek Smith. The some of the stories we've
• 45:29
  heard from Dwight talking about Derek Smith, a leader and a
• 45:32
  flexible guy, could play right tackle, could play guard.
• 45:37
  And knowing, you know, success in the league and, you know,
• 45:41
  battling cancer, knowing he's fighting that, you know, you got
• 45:44
  a dog in him. He will make people fight.
• 45:47
  And then the same Jim Pine, if there had been a Remington in
• 45:52
  199394, Jim Powell would have won the Remington.
• 45:55
  He was the best center in the country.
• 45:56
  And Eugene Chung, one of the more underrated guys.
• 45:59
  If you look back through history, first team, all
• 46:01
  American first round draft pick, played like 7 years, coached in
• 46:05
  the league for a while, you know, and there's still a few
• 46:10
  guys. Were probably is it Chung or
• 46:11
  Chang Chung? Chung Chung as.
• 46:12
  A typo I was going to. Say we got we got both of them
• 46:16
  here. I thought somebody went, hey, I
• 46:18
  thought we had both of them on the team.
• 46:21
  All right, Tally. I literally just said whatever
• 46:26
  Sheldon put, whatever Sheldon put put it because I mean,
• 46:29
  realistically for me it's Dwayne Brown and Kristen Darasaw.
• 46:33
  Then also, you know, I did want Wyatt Taylor in there, but I
• 46:36
  also did kind of want some throwback guys, but I didn't
• 46:38
  really, you know, want to because when you think about
• 46:40
  offensive line, of course you want some nasty, you know, we
• 46:44
  just running the ball down your throat type guys.
• 46:46
  So I just when Shelton put his list up, I went back and looked
• 46:51
  at some of these guys and I was like, it's pretty good.
• 46:53
  Shelton. Thank you, man.
• 46:54
  Thank you for giving me the blast from the past.
• 46:56
  So just give me what Shelton put.
• 46:58
  So, yeah, man, if you look at those at those guys and, and,
• 47:03
  and what they did on the field, it makes the people that you
• 47:10
  have back in the skill positions job much easier.
• 47:16
  You know, because when you start to look at some of the players
• 47:18
  that blocked for just say the quarterbacks that we have on the
• 47:21
  list, some of those guys was good.
• 47:24
  But as a line all together, I don't think anybody played with
• 47:28
  a line like this. So you know what I'm saying?
• 47:31
  What, what, What would it look like for somebody to be behind
• 47:34
  that? Yeah, and I'm I'll throw this up
• 47:37
  and often under spoken render render.
• 47:41
  You talking about nasty? He was nasty.
• 47:43
  He wanted he wouldn't fight people.
• 47:47
  The other ones, coach Robbie, he didn't put them on here because
• 47:50
  he probably ain't got the list. He missed it.
• 47:52
  A couple other goes out. This is the all name one right
• 47:55
  here. Buzz Nutter.
• 47:59
  Now y'all laugh but Google research here and.
• 48:07
  I'm scared to Google that. No, no, no, no, no.
• 48:10
  No, no. Also Robbie in there with the
• 48:12
  with the Ed Wang reference and we got Kyle Chung in there too.
• 48:16
  Kyle Chung. The Wang, The Wang Chung
• 48:18
  connection. But if you want to know about
• 48:21
  basically who Buzz Nutter was, he played in the same time that
• 48:26
  Shelton's guy did Don Oakes did late 50s, got drafted by the
• 48:30
  Colts, played for 11 years in the league between the Colts,
• 48:33
  the Steelers from 1954 to 1965. S tells you probably how good he
• 48:40
  was. You know, somebody trying to be
• 48:44
  funny, Lavar not trying to be funny.
• 48:46
  I I dangle with Todd. I I thought about putting Todd
• 48:49
  because Todd was one of those versatile guys who plays
• 48:54
  centering guard and they go Buzz Nutter multiple World
• 48:58
  Championships. Oh Jr. trying to be funny.
• 49:02
  Jr. out here with Parker Clement.
• 49:04
  He is the the dream team if you want your quarterback injured by
• 49:09
  offensive line. True.
• 49:12
  And there's probably some other guys too.
• 49:14
  And again, we're not hitting everybody, but you start
• 49:16
  thinking about it and and it's good to see like what this does
• 49:20
  is you have conversations and like a Donald gets brought up or
• 49:23
  people forget about Eugene Chung or people forget about a buzz
• 49:26
  Nutter from, you know, yester pass.
• 49:28
  And it's like there's been a lot of good players that have went
• 49:31
  through and there's a pitcher you go to Wikipedia, Brian might
• 49:35
  make you cry a little bit. It's a picture of another
• 49:38
  standing up somebody while Johnny use making a pass man so.
• 49:42
  You go back and look at what I think Robbie put, yeah, what
• 49:44
  Robbie put at Blake de Christopher as well.
• 49:47
  Yeah. Like that's a that's a great
• 49:49
  pick. It is a great pick.
• 49:50
  I think he's I think it was two time all ACC or maybe all
• 49:57
  American. No, all it's two time first
• 50:00
  team. All ACC is what he was so crazy
• 50:05
  crazy. He was good production and some
• 50:07
  of the lineman that we have had come through.
• 50:10
  We need some more next question. No, I got this from Brian and I
• 50:15
  know it's a lot of what else in this.
• 50:16
  So this is just a strictly what if X goes to Auburn, has a great
• 50:23
  year and gets drafted top two rounds right?
• 50:30
  Yep, that happens if he had the same production as he does there
• 50:36
  at Virginia Tech, Gets drafted first two rounds.
• 50:40
  Does he go on this list anywhere?
• 50:46
  That's tough. That's tough, man.
• 50:48
  At that point, he's probably pushing Eugene Chung from a
• 50:53
  product productivity standpoint based on where you got drafted,
• 50:57
  based on output. That's that's a really good
• 51:04
  question. I mean, I would definitely
• 51:05
  consider it. I would, I would have to sit
• 51:08
  down and really kind of compare the two at that point.
• 51:12
  If if he was back this year, he had another productive year, got
• 51:14
  drafted second round or higher, yeah, he'd be definitely be in
• 51:17
  the conversation. Chris say no.
• 51:22
  Yeah, Chris is OK. So.
• 51:25
  No, with a lot of with a lot of peers.
• 51:28
  I think that's Chris shaking his head and it was the Christopher
• 51:33
  was three all time ACC, two time first team, all the ACC.
• 51:38
  So I think it was good. He was good, just won't one like
• 51:42
  him again. So but yeah, it's true there.
• 51:47
  There's been nobody better than them.
• 51:49
  So I got somebody mentioning Trey Turner.
• 51:54
  And as we put up Trey Turner, let's go to the wide receiver
• 51:58
  room because we go on five. We we're being realistic here.
• 52:03
  And Shelton, I'll let you lead the way on this room.
• 52:07
  All right, so once again, respect to my elders.
• 52:10
  Some of these guys I did not see play in their primes, but we're
• 52:14
  starting off Andre Davis. Obviously, you know,
• 52:16
  self-explanatory. One of the, one of the key
• 52:18
  players of that 99 team, Antonio Freeman had some crazy
• 52:21
  production and then some 2, two more recent guys, Isaiah Ford
• 52:25
  and Danny Cole. You know, to me, those are two
• 52:27
  guys where, you know, I just, I look at the, just the, the big
• 52:32
  play ability, the toughness, leadership aspect of it, the
• 52:35
  work ethic. Like if I'm in the trenches and
• 52:38
  I need, I need a big play, I really want those guys on my
• 52:41
  team. And then obviously Ernest
• 52:42
  Wilford as well, another kind of OGOG throwback.
• 52:46
  So kind of got a little bit bounced here with some some
• 52:48
  younger guys and some older guys.
• 52:50
  I think it's pretty good, pretty good lineup.
• 52:52
  All right. And I think on this one y'all
• 52:55
  are going to see a trend of a couple guys always popping up.
• 52:58
  I'm right there with you. My top guy though that I always
• 53:02
  think about first is Antonio Freeman.
• 53:04
  But it would like you said what he did in the 90s was
• 53:07
  unbelievable. What he did in the NFLI mean the
• 53:10
  guy was all pro was really good. Then Andre Davis, I mean, like
• 53:18
  somebody said it earlier, that was Mike's only wide receiver.
• 53:20
  Like legitimate wide receiver threat that year.
• 53:23
  Sharon Stiff was a running back, but yeah, Eddie Royal.
• 53:30
  And so like Shelton missed that era, but that era with Morgan
• 53:39
  and Eddie and Hyman and Clowny, I mean, that was a tough one to
• 53:45
  do, but I think Eddie was so versatile.
• 53:47
  It was like right out the gate to y'all know, he was a
• 53:48
  freshman. It was just like, boom, man.
• 53:52
  That's a good one, Jim. I like that Ernest Wilford, 64,
• 53:58
  big son of a bitch, could go above you, could run by you
• 54:01
  could do whatever he wanted. And then Isaiah Ford, I think if
• 54:07
  if we had been really good in 14 and 15, I think Isaiah Ford
• 54:13
  might be like, I think he'd be on another stratosphere.
• 54:16
  But he had that one year in 16 where he was just dominant.
• 54:20
  There we go. We getting some, we getting some
• 54:22
  run here. Who's next, Brown or?
• 54:23
  We getting some deep deep cuts here too.
• 54:25
  I love this. Kelly's boys.
• 54:27
  Xavier. Whoa, there you go, Andretti.
• 54:32
  We had a we had a Brian still sighting.
• 54:35
  I'm seeing that. I'm just sitting there reading,
• 54:37
  oh, I'm next. So, yeah, so like you said,
• 54:40
  you're going to see most of the same names.
• 54:42
  I want it to be a little bit different because I really
• 54:44
  enjoyed one guy on this list. Of course, we didn't get to see
• 54:48
  him as much as we would have want to, But Damon Hazleton,
• 54:51
  just watching him play, watching his production from that wide
• 54:55
  receiver position made him one of my favorite players to to
• 54:59
  watch, as well as Isaiah Ford, you know, Antonio Friedman and
• 55:04
  all of these guys that are here. I kind of was in a in a pickle
• 55:09
  with Ernest Wilford because I was thinking, can I slide him
• 55:14
  into the tight end position? You know, can I slide him into
• 55:19
  the tight end position? I would.
• 55:20
  I would so. If I would have put him in the
• 55:23
  tight end position to be able to give me another wide receiver on
• 55:25
  this list, you know, maybe just move Lt. off put Will for that.
• 55:31
  But I was like, you know what, I'm going to put them off on
• 55:32
  that. I'm I'm going to leave it like
• 55:33
  this. I'm going to follow the rules.
• 55:35
  So Ernest Wilford, I mean, Curtis probably summed it up the
• 55:39
  best. Big SOB running past people,
• 55:42
  running over people. Eddie Rohl could do it all.
• 55:47
  I mean, great slot. What slot wide receiver guy?
• 55:51
  I mean, what what what else did you ask for?
• 55:54
  If you got a if you got a line and you got a quarterback,
• 55:57
  somebody on that list get no somebody's taking the ball to
• 56:00
  the house. So great to watch watch these
• 56:03
  guys I'm. Going to piggyback off Tally
• 56:07
  here and just I'm going to call out Robbie real quick.
• 56:10
  Ernest Wilford belongs in the tight end room more than Bucky
• 56:13
  Hodges, but he's not on my list. He's not on my list, though,
• 56:19
  because Jim pointed out. Yeah, I make some people cry.
• 56:24
  It does, it hurts it, it it's painful.
• 56:28
  So I got Andre Davis, you know, all time per catch numbers, man,
• 56:34
  it's it's hard to argue with 27 1/2 per reception in the season
• 56:42
  in 99. And that's what he did.
• 56:45
  That's ridiculous. The production that Freeman had
• 56:48
  in the 90s is insane. Eddie Royals numbers here.
• 56:55
  I don't know why I got Wyatt in front of Isaiah Ford's name
• 56:58
  here. Blame the typo.
• 57:01
  I'm that's what I'm blaming it on.
• 57:03
  Eddie Royal versatile. Do it all man.
• 57:06
  He's going to be in my slot. Isaiah Ford, 11 touchdown
• 57:12
  receptions in 20/15/24 career, man, you talk about production,
• 57:20
  the guy's getting in the end zone, but he's still able to do
• 57:23
  it in all areas of the field as well.
• 57:25
  And Jared Boykin, all the time. Yards, man.
• 57:30
  And I think he is a guy that just from a production
• 57:33
  standpoint, if you need a first down, he can get it for you.
• 57:38
  And hands, Yeah. I mean, you ever did see the,
• 57:42
  the, the, the obsession that the color guys had talking about
• 57:48
  Jared Boykin's hands in a broadcast every time is
• 57:51
  unprecedented. Man, every time they talk about
• 57:55
  the bands. Yeah.
• 57:57
  What? Are what are you insinuating?
• 57:59
  You don't want to get slapped by this guy.
• 58:01
  No, you don't want to get blocked by you know that we
• 58:05
  somebody put it up here like you got like Cam Phillips is the all
• 58:08
  time leading receiver. I mean there's so many Brian
• 58:11
  still. I mean there's still a part of
• 58:14
  me it goes back 30 years, December 31st this year when
• 58:21
  Brian still's house that punt and I know that's not wide
• 58:23
  receiver, but Brian still still there.
• 58:27
  Who else? Who else are we missing?
• 58:30
  Anybody we I'll throw 1. Put up Darrell Darrell Robertson
• 58:35
  now. Darrell.
• 58:36
  Yeah, Darrell, yeah. I mean, if we're looking at
• 58:38
  numbers, you know, we talked about Andre Davis's per catch in
• 58:42
  99, but you got Ricky Scales catching balls from Bruce Arians
• 58:45
  for 20.1 for his career. I know that's crazy in the 70s.
• 58:50
  I'll throw you one. And I forgot to mention, what
• 58:52
  about Harper? Remember Justin Harper?
• 58:55
  Yeah. Harper that was so good back in
• 58:58
  the old size. Always Carol Dale.
• 59:01
  Don't ever forget the name. If you if you're a new Hokey
• 59:04
  fan, go look him up. Unbelievable player with Tech.
• 59:06
  Unbelievable player with Packers.
• 59:08
  Yeah, there's been 2. There's been 2000s.
• 59:10
  Like, you had four receivers that were legitimate NFL talent.
• 59:13
  It was hard to get them the number of catches that you would
• 59:17
  want them to have because you had four guys that were very,
• 59:21
  very talented in that group. I want, I want to throw this to
• 59:25
  all three. I'm going to pitch it to Shelton
• 59:26
  first. Shelton If Jalen Lane had spent
• 59:30
  all four years at Virginia Tech, would he be on this list for
• 59:33
  you? I mean, I think so if you, you
• 59:36
  pencil him in a slot, I mean, I just think based on, you know,
• 59:40
  just based on like his speed, you know, the, the physical
• 59:42
  attributes. Like he was already because like
• 59:44
  I was when we were doing this, this exercise, I was looking up
• 59:48
  the all time receiver list, all time receiving staff at BT and
• 59:51
  he was, I think Jalen was top 20 ish despite the in total
• 59:56
  catches, despite the fact he only played two years here,
• 59:59
  which is really impressive. So I think if you extrapolate
• 1:00:01
  that to four years, I mean he he would be one of the most
• 1:00:03
  productive slot receivers of all time.
• 1:00:06
  Yeah, had all the, he's got all the physical attributes that
• 1:00:11
  makes him good. We didn't get to see in return
• 1:00:13
  kicks as much as he probably could have if the team was what
• 1:00:19
  it needed to be. So just different things that he
• 1:00:22
  did Does great question make gives you the opportunity to
• 1:00:27
  even mention his name with some of these.
• 1:00:29
  You know, for him only being here 2 years, I think he's going
• 1:00:34
  to have a good NFL career. I was hoping that I was hoping
• 1:00:37
  that the Titans would pick him up.
• 1:00:38
  I was I was I told you I'll please let us get him.
• 1:00:41
  But of course we didn't. So yeah, Andre, Andre and
• 1:00:46
  mentioned Marcus, Marcus Davis on here as well.
• 1:00:51
  Yeah. And it's going to be interesting
• 1:00:52
  to see how like as we move forward in the transfer portal
• 1:00:57
  era, like how do we quantify transfer production?
• 1:01:03
  And I mean, I think we're going to have a little bit of a
• 1:01:05
  conversation about that in this next, this next window here.
• 1:01:08
  But it's, it's, it's going to be interesting because you're
• 1:01:12
  talking about one or two years of production with your team,
• 1:01:18
  whereas usually most of these guys are on this list had at
• 1:01:22
  least three years, 3 productive seasons with the squad, right?
• 1:01:25
  So by default most of these transfer guys are going to have
• 1:01:29
  at least one year handicap. Since we doing since we doing so
• 1:01:33
  much, what else right can I just say Curtis, you only get I'm
• 1:01:38
  going to start a timer about 5 minutes.
• 1:01:43
  What if 2026 no not 20/26/2016 team come back?
• 1:01:52
  You, you know y'all know that? We lose.
• 1:01:58
  We lose the Clemson by what, 7 points?
• 1:02:01
  About 7, No, No. Yeah.
• 1:02:04
  Seven. Yeah.
• 1:02:05
  Because it was always the the fluente always said if we score
• 1:02:08
  it, we go for two. Because fuck, over time that
• 1:02:13
  would have been Cam's back, Isaiah's back, Bucky's back.
• 1:02:17
  The back. The defense because the what
• 1:02:20
  everybody looks at is the mirrorism of the defense because
• 1:02:23
  in 2016 that the offense was top 25.
• 1:02:27
  First of all we've never seen anything like it.
• 1:02:28
  Like we didn't know what to do. Like we scoring even low point
• 1:02:33
  game we get in the 20's the next year, if y'all remember that was
• 1:02:36
  a top 10 defense I believe with Tremaine, with the Edmonds
• 1:02:39
  brothers, the the what if about 2017 and there's there's there's
• 1:02:45
  multiple years because you've already talked about 2011.
• 1:02:48
  That's one of my what ifs. 2017 we went nine and three and the
• 1:02:57
  losses were to golly pull it back up Clemson.
• 1:03:03
  Georgia Tech and. Yeah, Georgia Tech bullshit.
• 1:03:09
  Miami. Miami.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah. It it it's tough not to say that
• 1:03:16
  that team wouldn't have been to at least two wins better.
• 1:03:19
  Right. But but I'll throw, let me, let
• 1:03:22
  me throw this one at y'all before we get into running
• 1:03:24
  backs. Michael Bates doesn't fuck up
• 1:03:27
  his ankle in 2000. Do we win a national
• 1:03:31
  championship? Because he was he, he was such a
• 1:03:33
  better passer that second year. Does he win the Heisman?
• 1:03:37
  Does he win the Heisman? Does he win a national
• 1:03:39
  championship? That's the, I mean, they're,
• 1:03:43
  those are the three seasons. I've always said I could
• 1:03:45
  probably sit here and shelter with the data, people watching
• 1:03:49
  it, you know, bring people like Dwight on the people that played
• 1:03:52
  on those teams. Those three teams are the
• 1:03:54
  biggest what ifs in Virginia Tech history.
• 1:03:56
  What because? Because it Mike doesn't hurt his
• 1:03:59
  ankle. Hey, hey, where you at?
• 1:04:02
  Where you at? He always sitting right here
• 1:04:03
  when you came. You wouldn't have beat us in
• 1:04:05
  2000 with that man. He already put you down once
• 1:04:08
  here to put you out to pass your second time.
• 1:04:10
  I ain't no king. Oh, he knows it's true.
• 1:04:14
  He knows it's true because we we fought them tooth and nail.
• 1:04:16
  Without in that game, he might have been a baby, but you know,
• 1:04:19
  right Tally, you going to make me write another episode?
• 1:04:24
  We're going to be sitting here for three hours talking about
• 1:04:26
  What If seasons. And I already knew it because
• 1:04:32
  Bass, Bass has asked a couple times, Brian, who is going to be
• 1:04:35
  the damn wide receiver one for this year?
• 1:04:38
  We don't know, man. We, we, we think it might be
• 1:04:42
  Aiden Green. But Brian, who is it going to
• 1:04:44
  be? Who going to be the wide
• 1:04:45
  receiver one this year? I think.
• 1:04:46
  It's going to have to be Aiden Green.
• 1:04:48
  It's going to have to be 1 of the one of the two Greens, I
• 1:04:50
  would imagine. I just don't know.
• 1:04:56
  We got one guy that's a known, known commodity, but he was, you
• 1:05:00
  know, kind of third in the pecking order, really 4th if you
• 1:05:03
  got to add in tight end production in the pecking order
• 1:05:08
  from a of a passing perspective. But at the same time, we got a
• 1:05:14
  whole lot of guys coming in that, you know, two of them have
• 1:05:18
  been productive at other spots, but haven't always been that
• 1:05:22
  healthy. You know, you got Seldon coming
• 1:05:24
  in that, you know, he might be able to be productive in the
• 1:05:29
  slot, but we don't know exactly what he looks like being a full
• 1:05:32
  time wide receiver. So that's still to be
• 1:05:35
  determined. So I mean, my, my gut says it's
• 1:05:40
  going to be Aiden Green, but honestly, I don't know.
• 1:05:47
  There's your answer, Bass. Well, that's his answer.
• 1:05:50
  From from Brian. Well, Donovan Green can stay
• 1:05:53
  healthy. I mean, with the system we're
• 1:05:55
  going to be running now, I think Donovan Green could be wide
• 1:05:59
  receiver one stat wise at the end now.
• 1:06:04
  Oh, Shelton, you made a frown on that.
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  Go on. Oh.
• 1:06:07
  No, no, that wasn't. That wasn't intentional.
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  Or anything. Curtis, you know he.
• 1:06:11
  That was an. That was an indeterminate.
• 1:06:13
  Frown. Yeah, like I agree with you.
• 1:06:14
  I agree with your point though. Like it's yeah, we just don't
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  know. He was, he was crunching numbers
• 1:06:19
  as you was talking. He's probably, he's probably got
• 1:06:22
  so many stats going on his head right now.
• 1:06:24
  Yeah, I'm going to tell you he was crunching.
• 1:06:26
  He was crunching. This guy's been out so many
• 1:06:28
  games, Curtis. He's not going to play a full
• 1:06:30
  season. So you losing your ever loving
• 1:06:32
  mind doing that. All right, all right, we finally
• 1:06:37
  got here because this would, you know, there's so many ways you
• 1:06:41
  could go with this one. I mean, you got Robbie's
• 1:06:44
  throwing this up, including Mike Vick.
• 1:06:49
  Robbie crazy now not not a crazy take.
• 1:06:52
  I'm just saying, Robbie, you crazy?
• 1:06:54
  Hey, Kenny Lewis, shout out here.
• 1:06:56
  Kenny Lewis I think. I think Rocky's going with MV7
• 1:07:00
  and the All GW Danville back. The all GW team because he got
• 1:07:05
  he saw him run by him so much I. Oh, oh, Kenny Lewis.
• 1:07:09
  I saw Kenny Lewis run by. You saw?
• 1:07:11
  Kenny too it right? Yeah, this is a great podcast.
• 1:07:15
  That's why it's been fitting and we we waited for it.
• 1:07:18
  I get to lead the running back one because I thought of the
• 1:07:20
  idea and for me, I won't sub 4/4 speed.
• 1:07:27
  If they touch it and you miss them, they gone.
• 1:07:31
  Kevin Jones, KJ still the best fact that has ever come through.
• 1:07:36
  David Wilson, the man still runs by Robbie and asleep on the
• 1:07:39
  sidelines and the new blood because I got to see him for two
• 1:07:43
  seasons and you saw him hit holes and when he got to the
• 1:07:47
  second level, you won't stop at him.
• 1:07:50
  I love Basil 2 and he's one of those guys that if I walk into a
• 1:07:54
  place and I see what is it, he was 33, right?
• 1:07:57
  Yep. I'd be tempted about 33.
• 1:07:59
  I got 5 in the closet. Shout out Tyrod, but 33 I could.
• 1:08:06
  I could dial that number. All right, so we got this out of
• 1:08:10
  the way with with having a transfer in the dream team.
• 1:08:15
  Yep. You know what, like I'm, I don't
• 1:08:20
  have a problem with that, especially a running back,
• 1:08:22
  because running back is a position that most guys only
• 1:08:27
  have two productive years before they're going to the draft
• 1:08:30
  anyway, historically. So you know, this isn't eye
• 1:08:36
  popping because he still had two productive years of Virginia
• 1:08:40
  Tech. So no problems there.
• 1:08:43
  I went a little bit different. I think Curtis, you got a little
• 1:08:45
  bit more balance than I do. I got you got speed, but .3
• 1:08:49
  speed. But but Tooting is still good
• 1:08:52
  between the tackles, can break tackles very well.
• 1:08:54
  So you still have that in the short yardage perspective.
• 1:08:59
  You know, I got Ryan Williams in short yardage roll here because
• 1:09:04
  I've got Wilson and KJ on here as well.
• 1:09:06
  I went with a lot of speed here, but I think Williams is also
• 1:09:10
  versatile enough where he can get the job done in those short
• 1:09:13
  yardage and goal line situations here.
• 1:09:15
  But David Wilson is up there in terms of running back balance
• 1:09:23
  that I've ever seen. Being able to stay upright when
• 1:09:26
  contacting defenders, being able to turn a corner.
• 1:09:32
  KJ is just, you know, you talk about Michael Vick being
• 1:09:36
  electric, KJ was electric at the running back position and and
• 1:09:39
  Ryan Williams was really just doing everything, but with
• 1:09:42
  enough, you know, breakaway to really be a game changer.
• 1:09:47
  So that's my 3. And you get a little bit of
• 1:09:50
  versatility there with Wilson because he can run some kicks
• 1:09:53
  back for you and and make some big plays on special teams.
• 1:09:57
  Tally. So don't jump on me.
• 1:10:01
  I knew a lot of names was already going to be taken, but I
• 1:10:04
  had to put certain names in there.
• 1:10:06
  Ryan Williams is probably my favorite Virginia Tech running
• 1:10:09
  back to ever watch. Little Sweetness, probably my
• 1:10:13
  favorite. Somebody else put Darren Evans
• 1:10:15
  up here. I was, you know, thinking about
• 1:10:17
  all of these guys in the backfield together.
• 1:10:19
  David Wilson, Darren Evans. Darren Evans doesn't get hurt.
• 1:10:23
  Whatever. Anyway, Ryan Williams, David
• 1:10:27
  Wilson, exactly what Brian said. Watching him was ridiculous.
• 1:10:32
  Like his balance getting to the corner, it looked like the man
• 1:10:36
  was. He looked like Michael Jackson,
• 1:10:38
  like he was leaning. Remember when Michael Jackson
• 1:10:40
  did the dance when he was leaning but staying upright?
• 1:10:43
  Like that's what David Wilson looked like when he was running
• 1:10:45
  the ball. And then I had to give a shout
• 1:10:47
  out to Khalil Herbert. I'm a big Khalil Herbert fan.
• 1:10:52
  I like tuning a little bit better just from what I've seen
• 1:10:55
  him watch. But I knew Curtis put it, so I
• 1:10:57
  had to give a shout out to Herbert just because we got
• 1:11:01
  Herbert in during COVID and I feel like he was cheated.
• 1:11:05
  I feel like we were cheated. Nobody got the world didn't
• 1:11:10
  really get to see what that man could do in a Virginia Tech
• 1:11:12
  jersey. Like he was so exciting to
• 1:11:15
  watch, man. He was great balance, super,
• 1:11:18
  super speed, like just a great running back to watch.
• 1:11:22
  So had to throw him in there with so many backs that you
• 1:11:25
  could put in. I see people putting up like
• 1:11:28
  going back, looking at Lee Suggs, Brandon Orr, all of these
• 1:11:31
  guys, and it's like, damn, man, who do I put in here?
• 1:11:34
  Like that's probably the deepest position that Virginia take.
• 1:11:37
  That's the hardest for me out of everything to pick even more
• 1:11:40
  than quarterback, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:11:42
  Because realistically when you look at quarterback, you're just
• 1:11:44
  like, we going to put Michael Vick in there, You know what I'm
• 1:11:46
  saying? Like most of the time, most
• 1:11:48
  people's going to do that. But when you look at running
• 1:11:50
  back and you ask 10 people give me your top three running backs,
• 1:11:54
  all of the list usually going to be somewhat different just
• 1:11:58
  because of auto production you've had in that position.
• 1:12:02
  Yeah, before Sheldon goes here, Tally, I want to give you a
• 1:12:04
  shout out for Herbert, man, because especially the context
• 1:12:07
  of it. Because imagine like we saw that
• 1:12:10
  moment with Tootin at UVA running it back and going in
• 1:12:15
  there. Imagine like all the times where
• 1:12:18
  Herbert got to the edge of that one, cut outside zone and just
• 1:12:22
  shot the gap and then hit the the track finish line.
• 1:12:25
  Yeah, if he if he could run up into the stands and actually get
• 1:12:28
  some interaction with fans, that would have went so hard, man.
• 1:12:31
  Yeah, for real. I'm telling you right now.
• 1:12:35
  I know with Curtis, I mean, I know Shelton's got to go here
• 1:12:38
  just a second, but and then I know we got to get ready.
• 1:12:41
  I'm go ahead and saying right now we got to get Rock down here
• 1:12:44
  for defense. He's already amped up, man.
• 1:12:49
  He is amped. Robbie is a Robbie.
• 1:12:54
  The invitation will be to you and we'll bring you on here.
• 1:12:58
  Shelton Go. All right, the first thing I
• 1:13:02
  want to say before I reveal my list is God bless Jim Kavanaugh.
• 1:13:06
  That man was a dog on the recruiting trail.
• 1:13:09
  He's responsible for almost all of the legendary running backs
• 1:13:13
  you'll you'll see in tech history.
• 1:13:16
  The the best recruit I've ever had by far.
• 1:13:20
  So praise be to Jim Kavanaugh for all the work he did.
• 1:13:23
  So my, my, my running back list now Lee Suggs.
• 1:13:26
  I mean, you know, nothing really needs explanation there.
• 1:13:29
  He had a 27 touchdown season, I believe in 2000 something.
• 1:13:35
  But he was Ashley Genti before Ashton Genti was Ashton Genti.
• 1:13:38
  So Suggs was was a goat. Cole Herbert, now he was more of
• 1:13:42
  his own running back. So I think what separated him
• 1:13:44
  was his vision and his ability to to find those holes, get to
• 1:13:47
  the second level, see the safeties and kind of make those,
• 1:13:50
  you know, those reads, not the not the biggest, you know,
• 1:13:52
  breakaway speed, but just had unparalleled vision.
• 1:13:55
  And then Kevin Jones also had a 22 touchdown season, I think in
• 1:13:59
  2003, also a dog. So those are my, those are my
• 1:14:02
  big three. I I, I like this.
• 1:14:05
  Yeah. The way thugs ran, there
• 1:14:08
  wouldn't be people that slows him down.
• 1:14:10
  But. But we're missing just so many
• 1:14:12
  people, though. That's the thing.
• 1:14:14
  That's the crazy part about this.
• 1:14:16
  Like, and we all have our three different ones and, you know, we
• 1:14:20
  spill over and all that. But like, you know, Brandon Orr,
• 1:14:26
  I mean, always forget about always forget about Humes and.
• 1:14:32
  The entire backfield of 2010 you could put on this list.
• 1:14:35
  You could and we completely, we had a great season, but with
• 1:14:41
  those three guys in the backfield it should have been a
• 1:14:44
  significantly even more. I think somebody mentioned
• 1:14:48
  earlier, was it Curtis or Brian that was talking about Cyrus,
• 1:14:52
  Cyrus Law, Cyrus Lawrence, Cyrus Lawrence. 3746 is is 373767 is
• 1:15:02
  the number all time leading runner running back attack not
• 1:15:07
  even mentioned and he could have did more damage.
• 1:15:10
  If you look back in his stats, he only played five games in
• 1:15:13
  1982, his senior season. Yep, his numbers were nuts.
• 1:15:18
  And like I said, you know, he's on a, on a squad to Bruce Smith.
• 1:15:25
  You know, they were, they were, they were definitely the the
• 1:15:28
  kingpins on either side of the ball there.
• 1:15:31
  I mean. It's this is like, I mean, I'll
• 1:15:35
  throw a couple names out that we don't think about that were
• 1:15:38
  really good running backs like Travion McMillan.
• 1:15:42
  Yeah. Travion Travion 1000 yard
• 1:15:44
  season. Ran them off.
• 1:15:47
  Ran them off. Ran them off.
• 1:15:49
  Sharon stiff not even mentioned on here.
• 1:15:52
  Rushed for 1100 yards at 99 as running back.
• 1:15:56
  One Andre Kendrick had 898 or 900 yard that year.
• 1:16:03
  So this was like the toughest room.
• 1:16:07
  But it's also one of those rooms depending on how you looked at
• 1:16:09
  it. Like I think you look at all of
• 1:16:12
  our lists, all three of ours, it's like I told you all, I
• 1:16:15
  wanted speed. I feel like my opinion, I think
• 1:16:19
  Shelton, you got like the most balanced room because if you get
• 1:16:22
  down to the three yard line, there are no questions.
• 1:16:24
  You are going to score a touchdown with a running back.
• 1:16:27
  No question, just like Sheldon scored but it but it but like I
• 1:16:33
  think bass bass master put it up a little while ago.
• 1:16:38
  This was fun. Like this was a lot of fun
• 1:16:41
  because you start going in there and you start thinking about it.
• 1:16:45
  And now I'm looking back Tally Jim tally, look at the screen.
• 1:16:49
  Look what Jim got here. Yeah, I can't even think about.
• 1:16:56
  Untouchables with Mike Untouchables with Mike with
• 1:16:59
  Mike. Crazy.
• 1:17:01
  Yeah. So, yeah, so we appreciate y'all
• 1:17:07
  definitely chiming in tonight. Again, this was a lot of fun.
• 1:17:10
  We are going to come back. I don't know when.
• 1:17:12
  It might be next month. It might be July.
• 1:17:14
  We'll do defense. Robbie, you've been invited to
• 1:17:17
  come on with this one. Anything else?
• 1:17:21
  Apparently, Per per a text from our music man Jason, And per new
• 1:17:27
  King, I guess the Knicks choked another one away tonight while
• 1:17:30
  we were sitting here talking. Oh Lord, I.
• 1:17:33
  Paid attention to nothing. Yeah, they did.
• 1:17:35
  Of course they did. Yeah, they down 3.
• 1:17:38
  One, were they down? No.
• 1:17:40
  Were they down? Let's see.
• 1:17:42
  I'm. I'm pulling up some here.
• 1:17:44
  Yep. Yes, so 3. 131 That's too funny.
• 1:17:47
  All right, Well boy, there we go.
• 1:17:52
  There we go. All right, well, if y'all got
• 1:17:56
  nothing else, let's rough up the night so we can all get in bed
• 1:17:58
  by 11:30. That wraps up this episode of
• 1:18:00
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  Anything else boys, before we wrap it up?
• 1:19:01
  Nah, man. Just appreciate everybody for
• 1:19:02
  joining tonight. It's been a lot of fun chopping
• 1:19:04
  this up and getting everybody's input on what we think and what
• 1:19:08
  y'all think. Yeah, yeah, I got a little.
• 1:19:10
  I got a little bit of homework for you chat.
• 1:19:13
  I think Bass Masterminder put it up earlier.
• 1:19:16
  He wants to know what the spread will be going into the South
• 1:19:21
  Carolina game. So just for fun, do a little
• 1:19:25
  research, send us, let us know what y'all think spreads going
• 1:19:28
  to look like moving into that game.
• 1:19:31
  We'll talk about it one day. We will, we will as we draw
• 1:19:35
  closer to the end of August. And with that being said, we
• 1:19:38
  appreciate y'all out there for listening, for chiming in.
• 1:19:41
  And as always, let's go.