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Concerned Clergy Podcast September 9, 2026 · Concerned Clergy Podcast

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SPEAKER_1: It seems like the public safety meeting,
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SPEAKER_1: committee meeting at the City County Council on tonight,
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SPEAKER_1: it seems like it's pretty lively on tonight.
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SPEAKER_1: We have the Chief of Police and IMPD presenting their budget for the next year
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SPEAKER_1: as well as some other items being discussed.
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SPEAKER_1: It really had to call, I would say, the meeting and the crowd to order several times.
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SPEAKER_1: We're going to be talking about that as well as some other items,
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SPEAKER_1: and we invite you to be part of the conversation.
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SPEAKER_1: Please call in 317-480-1310, or you can also comment on our Facebook page.
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SPEAKER_1: Mr. President, good to see you.
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SPEAKER_1: How are you?
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SPEAKER_2: I'm doing well, Reverend Alexander.
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SPEAKER_2: It's calmer here than it is in the city-county building right now in the Sarvaz Chamber.
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SPEAKER_1: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_1: Can you go ahead and open this up in prayer, please, Mr. President?
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SPEAKER_2: Eternal God,
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SPEAKER_2: our Father,
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SPEAKER_2: we come before you once again as humble as we know how,
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SPEAKER_2: Lord, we thank you for this day.
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SPEAKER_2: Thank you, Lord, for continuing to watch over us and keep us.
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SPEAKER_2: We continue to pray for those who've been impacted by the storm.
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SPEAKER_2: We continue to pray for our city leaders, our state leaders, and our national leaders as well.
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SPEAKER_2: Thank you for those that will be participating on tonight.
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SPEAKER_2: Continue, Lord God, to get the glory and the praise.
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SPEAKER_2: In Jesus' name, amen.
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SPEAKER_1: Amen.
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SPEAKER_1: Well, I'm Reverend Tony Alexander,
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SPEAKER_1: and I'm joined by our president on tonight,
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SPEAKER_1: Pastor David W.
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SPEAKER_1: Greene, Sr. And once again, we invite you to be part of the conversation.
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SPEAKER_1: You can do that by calling into the studio.
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SPEAKER_1: That phone number is 317-480-1310.
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SPEAKER_1: Once again, 317-480-1310.
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SPEAKER_1: And Mr. President, I'm going to start kind of...
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SPEAKER_1: Right there at the City County building and that committee meeting because I think
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SPEAKER_1: that will kind of help us weave through quite a bit on tonight on what's going on in
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SPEAKER_1: the city and the folks there at the City County building.
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SPEAKER_1: They were not just there as Councilor Brown.
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SPEAKER_1: Inform them because they were interested in the budget.
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SPEAKER_1: They wanted to talk to the chief about this issue with a young man
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SPEAKER_1: that we're seeing videos kind of leak out, if you will, on social media.
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SPEAKER_1: And it's not given a good,
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SPEAKER_1: I would say,
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SPEAKER_1: light on how the officers handled that situation and whether or not
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SPEAKER_1: Dalys Jett even fired at the officers.
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SPEAKER_2: Well, yeah, I mean, certainly it's concerning to the community.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, I had always hoped and shared with the previous chief,
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SPEAKER_2: when these things happen, you need to get the body cam footage out early.
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SPEAKER_2: And when you drag this out and,
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SPEAKER_2: you know,
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SPEAKER_2: waiting for some editing of video,
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SPEAKER_2: et cetera, that's not going to bode well for the confidence of...
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SPEAKER_2: of the community and we have videos from marine cameras etc which truly exists
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SPEAKER_2: in most neighborhoods these days you know stuff is going to be out there and so
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SPEAKER_2: if you try to mastermind a narrative and you know you should just be here's
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SPEAKER_2: the truth or here's what happened as we know it and there's been more
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SPEAKER_2: than enough time for this situation
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SPEAKER_2: to play out differently obviously IMPD has decided to handle it differently.
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SPEAKER_2: To me, it leads to the distrust between community and law enforcement.
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SPEAKER_2: And so that's where we find ourselves.
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SPEAKER_2: I don't feel like that's good for our community,
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SPEAKER_2: for public safety, for public trust, any of that.
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SPEAKER_2: I think all that takes a hit.
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SPEAKER_2: But ultimately, that was the chief and leadership's decision and how they're handling it.
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SPEAKER_2: It's interesting that we're in a public safety meeting where they're talking about $400 million.
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SPEAKER_2: And on one side, we've got flock cameras.
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SPEAKER_2: We want to be instantaneous and stuff.
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SPEAKER_2: And on another side, it takes 90 days to get body cam footage or something.
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SPEAKER_2: So it's...
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SPEAKER_2: When you look at it,
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SPEAKER_2: you laugh a little bit,
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SPEAKER_2: but it really ain't funny because you're looking on one side how we focus
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SPEAKER_2: on instantaneous, this is fast, we can get you the information.
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SPEAKER_2: On the other side, when we choose to be as slow as molasses, we can drag it out.
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SPEAKER_2: And there are no really practical, real reasons that you can buy into that.
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SPEAKER_2: And then you wonder why you erode, you know, public trust.
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SPEAKER_2: People begin to say, well, I don't know what happened here.
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SPEAKER_2: So that's what that leads to.
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SPEAKER_2: And I don't think it's helpful for either side.
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SPEAKER_2: I don't think it's helpful for law enforcement.
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SPEAKER_2: And I don't think it's helpful for the community.
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SPEAKER_2: You know, law enforcement just wants the community to accept things blindly.
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SPEAKER_2: And then the community, the stuff they're seeing, let's go say, huh?
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SPEAKER_2: How do you expect me just to believe this?
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SPEAKER_2: A narrative that they're going to be late getting out,
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SPEAKER_2: that they're clearly going to be working on.
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SPEAKER_2: Because there will be some video produced that will come out one day in
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SPEAKER_2: the future here, Reverend Alexander, probably due to this pressure.
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SPEAKER_2: But everybody's going to question it because you know it's going to show
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SPEAKER_2: not show everything.
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SPEAKER_2: One of those two is going to happen.
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SPEAKER_2: It's going to leave people with more questions.
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SPEAKER_2: And that's not good for public trust.
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SPEAKER_1: Well, as we have commented on our Facebook page from Jimmy,
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SPEAKER_1: they don't believe in the leadership as well.
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SPEAKER_1: And you question everything.
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SPEAKER_1: You question everything that comes out, which just so folks understand.
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SPEAKER_1: So what's going on tonight?
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SPEAKER_1: There's public safety hearing.
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SPEAKER_1: Their IMPD is before the committee there presenting their budget and a lot
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SPEAKER_1: of folks were in the room.
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SPEAKER_1: There was a rally, protest if you will.
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SPEAKER_1: I know they were speaking out in regards to
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SPEAKER_1: the Dalys Jett situation saying they wanted more information in regards to that.
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SPEAKER_1: A lot of those folks filled the room.
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SPEAKER_1: I can tell you this, it was streaming live on channel 16.
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SPEAKER_1: And the committee chair,
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SPEAKER_1: Councilor Leroy Robinson,
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SPEAKER_1: he had sheriffs come in, he had the deputies come in and remove a lot of people.
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SPEAKER_1: He got to the point where he said,
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SPEAKER_1: if you're going to talk over the chief, then I'm going to remove you.
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SPEAKER_1: So he just sat and let that play out.
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SPEAKER_1: And you had a lot of people that would remove from the room.
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SPEAKER_1: And then it wasn't until Councilor Jesse Brown that came back and said,
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SPEAKER_1: here's why, you know, the people were upset.
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SPEAKER_1: They've been wanting to hear from, you know, you chief.
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SPEAKER_1: They've been wanting the community to get more information and they hadn't been able to do it.
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SPEAKER_1: And this was where their, you know, way of saying, let's talk.
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SPEAKER_2: Well, the city county, the chamber is supposed to be the people's house.
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SPEAKER_2: So that's where the people come to to get answers.
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SPEAKER_2: When you can't get answers other places, they came to that place.
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SPEAKER_2: I'm not advocating what people may have said or did in there
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SPEAKER_2: because I wasn't actually in the room.
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SPEAKER_2: But they had every right to be there and to voice their concerns.
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SPEAKER_2: And, you know,
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SPEAKER_2: you and I have been engaged a little bit in this particular case and know that,
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SPEAKER_2: OK, when's the information coming?
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SPEAKER_2: And it's always been sliding, right?
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SPEAKER_2: So it's not been like, well, when's it going to get here?
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SPEAKER_2: And when you can't even tell people when it's going to get here.
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SPEAKER_2: And we're really talking about technology.
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SPEAKER_2: We're talking about video, Reverend Alexander.
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SPEAKER_2: This is what we're talking about.
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SPEAKER_2: And you and I work with video enough to know we can download that.
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SPEAKER_2: If we just say that, here it is, we can just download it and upload it and share it.
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SPEAKER_2: Now, if I'm editing and trying to do some other stuff, well, yeah, it takes a little bit longer.
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SPEAKER_2: Even with that, though, it doesn't take this long.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, what I anticipate based on track record is whenever the video rolls out,
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SPEAKER_2: it would be late on a Friday afternoon going into a weekend.
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SPEAKER_2: Where hopefully it gets past the new cycle, etc.
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SPEAKER_2: That's typically what they've done.
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SPEAKER_2: And I mean, I get it.
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SPEAKER_2: You know, less people will notice.
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SPEAKER_2: But it doesn't build public trust.
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SPEAKER_2: I would much rather just the chief be upfront and honest.
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SPEAKER_2: And they can manage to a real time frame.
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SPEAKER_2: And this should have already been done.
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SPEAKER_2: And this should have already been shared.
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SPEAKER_2: Let the chips fall where they may.
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SPEAKER_2: We know we know that a police officer shot another police officer.
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SPEAKER_1: Well, let's talk about that piece, Mr.
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SPEAKER_1: President,
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SPEAKER_1: because part of Chief Terry,
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SPEAKER_1: not only did she present her budget,
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SPEAKER_1: she actually had a statement prepared to talk about this particular incident.
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SPEAKER_1: And she made a statement that said that they have shared the unredacted video to the family.
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SPEAKER_1: Which, that was questionable when I heard it because everything I've heard,
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SPEAKER_1: at least coming from spokespeople for the family,
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SPEAKER_1: is they didn't see unredacted video.
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SPEAKER_1: And she also came out and said that they had evidence that Mr.
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SPEAKER_1: Jett did shoot one of the officers and it struck him in his protective vest.
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SPEAKER_1: As well as one officer shooting another officer.
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SPEAKER_1: She made those statements.
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SPEAKER_1: The only one that we are aware of,
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SPEAKER_1: at least coming from what the family has shared publicly,
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SPEAKER_1: is that one officer shot another.
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SPEAKER_1: The other two items, I've not heard that.
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SPEAKER_2: Well, I'm not familiar with that.
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SPEAKER_2: And my understanding is that the family was told because they had a lawyer
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SPEAKER_2: and it was going to be legal, there was video that they couldn't show them.
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SPEAKER_2: So I don't believe that they've quote unquote seen all of the unredacted video.
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SPEAKER_2: I think that the law enforcement chose to public safety,
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SPEAKER_2: the chief or somebody,
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SPEAKER_2: the chief's direction,
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SPEAKER_2: the director,
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SPEAKER_2: the chief said,
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SPEAKER_2: hey, this is what we're going to show and this is what we're not going to show.
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SPEAKER_2: And this is where we are.
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SPEAKER_2: If they had a piece of video that showed Dalys clearly shooting first,
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SPEAKER_2: that's one of the first videos that would have been out.
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SPEAKER_2: And you would put all this to bed.
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SPEAKER_2: Why would you have the community in turmoil?
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SPEAKER_2: If you have a video that shows that,
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SPEAKER_2: you should not even be allowing all that drama that's playing out tonight in
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SPEAKER_2: the city county building.
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SPEAKER_2: To be going on because you can eliminate all of that by producing that video
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SPEAKER_2: and saying,
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SPEAKER_2: here's the video where he shot the officer because everybody understands why
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SPEAKER_2: the officer shot back if that was the case.
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SPEAKER_2: They've not been able to produce that video.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, common sense says if they got a piece of video that shows without a doubt
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SPEAKER_2: that he shot a police officer, people would not be up in arms.
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SPEAKER_2: People wouldn't be upset.
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SPEAKER_2: People would clearly be on the side of law enforcement.
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SPEAKER_2: This is not they don't want law enforcement.
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SPEAKER_2: They would understand that you shoot a police officer,
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SPEAKER_2: police officers, they better be shooting back.
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SPEAKER_2: That's the nature of what happened.
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SPEAKER_2: What the problem is with the community side of it is if he didn't do that
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SPEAKER_2: and he got shot in his back.
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SPEAKER_2: The only thing he's guilty of is taking off running, which he shouldn't have ran.
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SPEAKER_2: But if he took off running and you shot him down in the back, that's a problem.
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SPEAKER_2: That's where the issue is with the community.
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SPEAKER_2: And I've always asked, show that.
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SPEAKER_2: If you've got that, show that.
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SPEAKER_2: That would quiet all the noise down.
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SPEAKER_2: That would clean everything up for the family and for the community.
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SPEAKER_2: But when you don't have that,
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SPEAKER_2: though, if you don't have that, then you get what we're getting right now.
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SPEAKER_1: And to your point, that's when all the uproar happened.
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SPEAKER_1: When Chief Terry made that statement and she said,
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SPEAKER_1: we have -- she says, I have proof that this is what happened.
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SPEAKER_1: That's when every -- you know, the whole room.
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SPEAKER_1: Began, you know, just start the buzz and people start, you know, getting upset.
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SPEAKER_1: And that's when the biggest number of folks were escorted out at that particular time.
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SPEAKER_1: And it just really proves your point.
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SPEAKER_1: We can avoid that if you actually have the evidence to support that.
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SPEAKER_2: Show it.
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SPEAKER_2: If you've got it, all you had to do was produce it.
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SPEAKER_2: She has access and can call a press conference any day of the week.
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SPEAKER_2: If they got it, show it.
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SPEAKER_2: The day it happened, they were painting a guy like he's a real bad guy, etc.
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SPEAKER_2: They had drawn conclusions.
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SPEAKER_2: They weren't talking about a police officer shot a police officer.
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SPEAKER_2: Not the night this occurred.
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SPEAKER_2: None of that was the case.
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SPEAKER_2: This was all on Dalys.
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SPEAKER_2: Then, after facts began to come out,
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SPEAKER_2: they didn't do it with the same force, but they had to back off a little bit.
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SPEAKER_2: Therein lies the problem, in my opinion.
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SPEAKER_2: If you got facts,
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SPEAKER_2: and you should have plenty of them by now,
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SPEAKER_2: if that's the case,
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SPEAKER_2: because you have plenty of time to comb through that video,
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SPEAKER_2: you would just produce the video and say, hey, bam,
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SPEAKER_2: you show this to the parents,
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SPEAKER_2: the family members,
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SPEAKER_2: you show it to the community and say, hey, this is what happened.
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SPEAKER_2: Because the piece I hate is when people question it.
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SPEAKER_2: There are those who try to say you're anti-police or whatever.
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SPEAKER_2: No, I understand if somebody shot at the police,
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SPEAKER_2: a police officer,
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SPEAKER_2: him or her has every obligation,
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SPEAKER_2: right, to shoot back for their own safety, for the safety of their community.
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SPEAKER_2: I ain't got no questions about that.
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SPEAKER_2: However,
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SPEAKER_2: you can't go rogue,
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SPEAKER_2: though, and just be shooting people because I got a badge and a gun.
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SPEAKER_2: That is not going to lead to proper policing in community.
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SPEAKER_2: That's not helpful if you go do that.
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SPEAKER_2: That's not going to work.
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SPEAKER_2: That's proven not to work.
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SPEAKER_2: It ultimately creates more problems than it solves.
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SPEAKER_2: And so that's why this is important to say what really happened.
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SPEAKER_0: And why did a police officer shoot another police officer?
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SPEAKER_2: Is that a training issue?
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SPEAKER_2: Like how in the world did that happen?
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SPEAKER_2: These people just really just shooting in the dark.
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SPEAKER_2: Everybody's firing because the other person's firing in the heat of the moment.
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SPEAKER_2: So we just had everybody just firing bullets.
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SPEAKER_1: Well, Mr. President, there is some video that is out there.
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SPEAKER_1: And if you watch some of the footage,
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SPEAKER_1: while I can't come into any concrete conclusions,
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SPEAKER_1: one thing I can say I made mental note of watching it, it looked like Keystone Cops.
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SPEAKER_1: I mean, you had just officers.
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SPEAKER_1: I mean, I'm like, what in the world is going on?
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SPEAKER_1: And I wasn't even sure what I was the first time I saw it.
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SPEAKER_1: I'm like, what am I watching?
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SPEAKER_1: You know, because there wasn't any caption or anything.
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SPEAKER_1: This is footage from, you know, this incident.
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SPEAKER_1: I'm like, I know this can't be that.
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SPEAKER_1: So, you know,
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SPEAKER_1: when you're talking about the training piece,
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SPEAKER_1: you know, the events of that night, you know, how they, you know, kind of developed.
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SPEAKER_1: It doesn't seem like there was any orderly fashion to it whatsoever.
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SPEAKER_1: And it wasn't that type of incident where it should have been haphazard.
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SPEAKER_2: Yeah, I mean,
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SPEAKER_2: I think that for people who may not be aware,
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SPEAKER_2: Dalys had actually reached out to the police the day before concerning the incident
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SPEAKER_2: with his wallet, dislocation, et cetera.
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SPEAKER_2: So it ain't like he's anti-police.
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SPEAKER_2: He just talked to the police the day before.
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SPEAKER_2: If you had that in the context as a police officer, well, you know where this guy lives.
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SPEAKER_2: So even if he took off, are we shooting in the dark?
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, because anybody could have got hurt.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, you're going to be shooting in the dark in neighborhoods with bullets flying.
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SPEAKER_2: All over the place.
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SPEAKER_2: Is it really?
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, I'd want to know from a procedure standpoint, is that what we want going on?
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SPEAKER_2: You know, yeah.
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SPEAKER_2: Somebody could have went out to the garbage can or something,
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SPEAKER_2: anything, and they're caught up in this.
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SPEAKER_2: We're shooting at somebody that's not a hardened criminal,
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SPEAKER_2: for sure, who had just been talking to the IMPD the day before.
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SPEAKER_2: So you probably have his number and his address that you could go and say,
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SPEAKER_2: let me just go to that guy's house the next day or whatever,
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SPEAKER_2: rather than just shooting in the dark.
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SPEAKER_2: You know, shooting multiple times, man, it's going off.
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SPEAKER_2: I've seen the videos as well.
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SPEAKER_2: I don't know from a process, Reverend Alexander, that's what I want my officers doing.
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SPEAKER_2: Now, if the guy was shooting at them, yes, I get it.
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SPEAKER_2: But show me that piece of it.
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SPEAKER_2: If he was shooting at them, I got you.
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SPEAKER_2: But if he wasn't shooting at them and they're just firing their weapons,
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SPEAKER_2: unloading them, you know, because the other officer's shooting, so I'm shooting too.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, what are we doing here?
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, that is the wild, wild west.
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SPEAKER_2: Like, what are we doing?
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SPEAKER_2: And I don't know if that's what we want, because then we got an officer shot in here.
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SPEAKER_2: You know, over what?
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SPEAKER_2: It was, what were we doing?
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SPEAKER_1: And we still don't know.
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SPEAKER_2: And we still don't know.
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SPEAKER_1: We still don't have those conclusions.
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SPEAKER_2: And by now, we should have the answers to those things.
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SPEAKER_2: By now,
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SPEAKER_2: there's nothing from a quote-unquote technology standpoint that would hinder us
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SPEAKER_2: from not knowing.
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SPEAKER_2: Because I work in technology,
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SPEAKER_2: I know, yeah, you could have done whatever it is you wanted to do by now.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean,
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SPEAKER_2: it means you probably ain't planning on sharing too much or you're going to do it at
19:45
SPEAKER_2: a certain level.
19:46
SPEAKER_2: Time or something.
19:47
SPEAKER_2: Maybe it's the Friday after Thanksgiving.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, it's stuff like that that, again,
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SPEAKER_2: hinders relationships,
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SPEAKER_2: in my opinion,
19:57
SPEAKER_2: between law enforcement and the community when everybody kind of wants
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SPEAKER_2: the same thing.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, even Dalys' family, they want an answer.
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SPEAKER_2: I think they can live with the answer if you can show them,
20:09
SPEAKER_2: hey, well, your son reached and he got a gun and he shot this officer.
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SPEAKER_2: Okay.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, through conversations I've had with family members, they would accept that.
20:20
SPEAKER_2: But they've not seen that.
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SPEAKER_1: Well, I think a community would too.
20:23
SPEAKER_1: And when you talk about advocates in the community,
20:28
SPEAKER_1: one of the things we try to do is make sure you're having a proper perspective
20:32
SPEAKER_1: on things.
20:33
SPEAKER_1: And if something is not right,
20:34
SPEAKER_1: out of order,
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SPEAKER_1: and if it's on the community side,
20:37
SPEAKER_1: that'll be identified as well if something's not right on the law enforcement side.
20:43
SPEAKER_1: We just want that balance.
20:45
SPEAKER_1: We just want facts, truth,
20:48
SPEAKER_1: and then be able to discuss it in an adult way and be consistent in that as well.
20:54
SPEAKER_1: I think that's a big piece of it as well.
20:57
SPEAKER_1: We had such a process with Chief Terry.
21:01
SPEAKER_1: This would have been a great opportunity for her being new this year.
21:07
SPEAKER_1: As a chief to really establish herself as a chief,
21:10
SPEAKER_1: you know, that's going to communicate with the community.
21:13
SPEAKER_2: Well, yeah, I mean, I think that's important.
21:15
SPEAKER_2: And I definitely want to be clear because that's where we are.
21:19
SPEAKER_2: Thank you for sharing it, Reverend Alexander.
21:21
SPEAKER_2: If that young man was shooting at the police, he was clearly wrong.
21:24
SPEAKER_2: The concerned clergy is not defending a young man who was shooting at the police.
21:28
SPEAKER_2: The police should have been shooting back to eliminate the threat.
21:33
SPEAKER_2: Okay.
21:35
SPEAKER_2: But we own also the police department.
21:40
SPEAKER_2: Show us.
21:42
SPEAKER_2: We've invested millions of dollars.
21:44
SPEAKER_2: I mean, this is a budget here, right?
21:46
SPEAKER_2: We've invested millions of dollars in body cams, etc.
21:49
SPEAKER_2: We got all this technology, stuff in cars, etc.
21:53
SPEAKER_2: Show us.
21:56
SPEAKER_2: You can't keep asking for, you know, 400 million dollars plus a year.
22:02
SPEAKER_2: And then you can't answer something this simple.
22:07
SPEAKER_2: But every year,
22:08
SPEAKER_2: you're getting money,
22:09
SPEAKER_2: beaucoup dollars,
22:10
SPEAKER_2: large sums of money,
22:12
SPEAKER_2: bigger than anything that Parks or DPW or anybody else is getting.
22:17
SPEAKER_2: You're getting the money.
22:19
SPEAKER_2: You should be able to do that.
22:21
SPEAKER_2: And unfortunately,
22:22
SPEAKER_2: some people ran off from the initial thing when it happened,
22:26
SPEAKER_2: and they think Dalys is some criminal that had a bunch of warrants and all that,
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SPEAKER_2: when that wasn't even the case about the young man.
22:36
SPEAKER_2: And I hated that that happened.
22:38
SPEAKER_2: Because they weren't saying a cop shot a cop.
22:41
SPEAKER_2: Some people don't even know that.
22:43
SPEAKER_2: They think that this Dalys young man shot police officers.
22:49
SPEAKER_2: And one thing for fact, we got to see that he shot one.
22:55
SPEAKER_2: Did he?
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SPEAKER_2: Show it.
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SPEAKER_2: Otherwise, we don't know that this ain't a bunch of cops shooting at each other.
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SPEAKER_1: Well, that was the statement that was made in the budget committee hearing this evening.
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23:47
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23:50
SPEAKER_1: On tonight's program,
23:51
SPEAKER_1: we've just been speaking a little bit about
23:54
SPEAKER_1: the Public Safety Committee hearing that's going on right now
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SPEAKER_1: in downtown Indianapolis.
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SPEAKER_1: I believe it's still going on.
24:03
SPEAKER_1: So we've been talking about that and sharing what our chief of police
24:07
SPEAKER_1: for IMPD has been sharing with the community as part of this budget meeting.
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24:24
SPEAKER_1: The Concerned Clergy of Indianapolis also.
24:27
SPEAKER_1: Now, Mr.
24:27
SPEAKER_1: President,
24:27
SPEAKER_1: another item that a lot of people are concerned about
24:31
SPEAKER_1: and brought up is IMPD's utilization of flock.
24:37
SPEAKER_1: The flock camera system, exactly what they're doing.
24:41
SPEAKER_1: We're seeing really across the nation,
24:44
SPEAKER_1: you're seeing places like in Florida,
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SPEAKER_1: in Texas,
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SPEAKER_1: even here in Fort Wayne,
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SPEAKER_1: Indiana,
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SPEAKER_1: where folks either not renewing their flock camera contracts
24:59
SPEAKER_1: or just saying we're getting rid of them altogether.
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SPEAKER_1: And IMPD seems to be in the mode, no, we enjoy this technology and we want to use it.
25:08
SPEAKER_1: A little bit different than what we're hearing.
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SPEAKER_2: Well, yeah, I mean,
25:13
SPEAKER_2: they're saying that they want to continue with the technology and saying
25:18
SPEAKER_2: that they're going to better monitor it.
25:22
SPEAKER_2: That is very concerning.
25:25
SPEAKER_2: Obviously, they weren't monitoring it earlier.
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SPEAKER_2: Until they got their hands slapped.
25:33
SPEAKER_2: And, you know,
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SPEAKER_2: according to my sources that,
25:36
SPEAKER_2: you know,
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SPEAKER_2: this was driven by one of our national newspapers was doing an article
25:43
SPEAKER_2: on flock stuff.
25:44
SPEAKER_2: And they were able to pull records and see that.
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SPEAKER_2: Officers were tracking to the same license plate number, led to questions.
25:55
SPEAKER_2: And so, you know,
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SPEAKER_2: while we have one officer whose actions have been taken,
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SPEAKER_2: there are others that had significant amounts of,
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SPEAKER_2: you know,
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SPEAKER_2: usage of flock,
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SPEAKER_2: tracking somebody,
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SPEAKER_2: girlfriend, wife, whatever, however they're doing that these days.
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SPEAKER_2: That stuff is concerning.
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SPEAKER_2: And if you're going to be the chief and you're going to continue to want
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SPEAKER_2: to use flock, you better get some controls on your people then.
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SPEAKER_2: And there better be action or be swift action on this because all
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SPEAKER_2: that stuff ultimately is going to leak out.
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SPEAKER_2: You know, if they're continuing to do that, to utilize that.
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SPEAKER_2: And there are reasons why people have walked away from it.
26:44
SPEAKER_2: Because how do you track that?
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SPEAKER_2: If you've got over a thousand officers or a couple thousand,
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SPEAKER_2: whatever the number is, how do you keep track of that?
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, you know,
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SPEAKER_2: and how many people's job is it to do that and how much are they getting paid just
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SPEAKER_2: to track to see is this a legitimate thing here or this is just somebody on
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SPEAKER_2: a personal thing tracking a spouse,
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SPEAKER_2: a girlfriend,
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SPEAKER_2: a boyfriend or somebody that's got nothing to do -- I can see where
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SPEAKER_2: the technology would be beneficial,
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SPEAKER_2: but I can also see where that's a tool that can lead to harassment.
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SPEAKER_1: Well, I've traveled down the highway, Mr.
27:29
SPEAKER_1: President,
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SPEAKER_1: and I've seen state troopers,
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SPEAKER_1: this is when, well,
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SPEAKER_1: we may have had flock systems,
27:36
SPEAKER_1: but I've seen state troopers hit every car and scan their license plate.
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SPEAKER_1: They would just,
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SPEAKER_1: they would be in one lane,
27:44
SPEAKER_1: and then they would go car to car to car to car to car to car
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SPEAKER_1: as they're traveling down the highway and just start hitting the license plates.
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SPEAKER_2: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_1: So they're doing that now.
27:56
SPEAKER_1: That to me, that's harassment.
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SPEAKER_2: That is harassment, right?
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SPEAKER_2: You know, that's harassment to say, who is this?
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SPEAKER_2: And it shouldn't be going on.
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SPEAKER_2: And it's going to impact,
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SPEAKER_2: like most things,
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SPEAKER_2: that stuff usually impacts people who don't have money to be spending
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SPEAKER_2: in some nonsense stuff that they wouldn't be in if it wasn't for this technology.
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SPEAKER_2: Or in personal,
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SPEAKER_2: whether it's personal stuff,
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SPEAKER_2: non-personal stuff, now somebody's just jamming up somebody because they can.
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SPEAKER_2: I don't see how you do it,
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SPEAKER_2: how you monitor it,
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SPEAKER_2: but if you're going to do it,
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SPEAKER_2: then they need to know the community is going to hold you accountable.
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SPEAKER_2: We've not heard the end of this, Reverend Alexander.
28:43
SPEAKER_2: I think a lot of people are upset.
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SPEAKER_1: I think a lot of people are upset, you know, and that is spreading when you're looking here.
28:52
SPEAKER_1: That was another point of contention tonight.
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SPEAKER_1: How exactly are they going to use it and why?
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SPEAKER_1: You know, how are you monitoring it?
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SPEAKER_1: How are you making sure you don't have officers,
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SPEAKER_1: you know,
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SPEAKER_1: that are doing more personal,
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SPEAKER_1: you know,
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SPEAKER_1: investigations with the flock system,
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SPEAKER_1: you know, than actually utilizing it for police work?
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SPEAKER_2: And it would be good to know even right now,
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SPEAKER_2: like, are there more flock cameras in Black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods?
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SPEAKER_2: Like, where are they?
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SPEAKER_1: There's actually a website, Mr. President, that you can go and get that information.
29:32
SPEAKER_2: Okay.
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SPEAKER_2: I think that needs to be shared with the community.
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SPEAKER_2: So they say, hey, now wait a minute.
29:37
SPEAKER_2: So people know where these cameras are and what's going on.
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SPEAKER_2: And we need to,
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, even internally, the chief should be looking at who's using these systems.
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SPEAKER_2: Because she can see that information.
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SPEAKER_2: And who are they following?
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SPEAKER_2: Who are they checking on on a regular basis?
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SPEAKER_2: Because that very well could be harassment.
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SPEAKER_1: Well, I know certainly with IMPD,
30:04
SPEAKER_1: they have trackers,
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SPEAKER_1: at least the way it was explained to me,
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SPEAKER_1: they actually have trackers on all the cars now.
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SPEAKER_1: All of their police issued vehicles where they know where they're at at all times.
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SPEAKER_1: So that much I do know that, as a matter of fact, that that has been shared with it.
30:24
SPEAKER_1: But Mr. President just,
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SPEAKER_1: you know,
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SPEAKER_1: he asked a good question, you know, how do you know where these cameras are?
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SPEAKER_1: And I'm actually going to pull it up real quick, Mr. President.
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SPEAKER_1: We're going to show folks where they can go.
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SPEAKER_1: And they can get this information.
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SPEAKER_1: It's actually called maps.dflock.org.
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SPEAKER_1: And you can go in there, type that in.
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SPEAKER_1: And when you type it in, it'll actually give you, and you see all those blue dots.
30:55
SPEAKER_1: If you're watching with us on Facebook, you see all those blue dots.
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SPEAKER_1: It tells you where all of those cameras are.
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SPEAKER_1: You can zoom in, zoom out.
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SPEAKER_1: You can go to certain neighborhoods.
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SPEAKER_1: You can actually see where all of those cameras are.
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SPEAKER_1: Once again, it's maps.dflock.org.
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SPEAKER_1: And you can go there and you can see where they are in your neighborhood,
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SPEAKER_1: where they are in Indianapolis.
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SPEAKER_1: All you do is type in your city and then you can pretty much just zoom in and out.
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SPEAKER_1: And see exactly where they are.
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SPEAKER_1: And we have a bunch of them here.
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SPEAKER_1: As you see here, you look at all those blue dots, we have a bunch in Indianapolis.
31:44
SPEAKER_1: So you can get all that information there.
31:45
SPEAKER_1: I think it even tells you, it says right now, we have 506 cameras in view.
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SPEAKER_1: So that's in putting in the city of Indianapolis, Indiana.
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SPEAKER_1: That's what it tells us right now.
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SPEAKER_1: Once again, over 500 cameras that we actually have here in Indianapolis.
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SPEAKER_1: And yeah, you can get that information.
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SPEAKER_1: So a lot of that stuff is out there.
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SPEAKER_1: It's interesting what's really out in the World Wide Web a lot of folks don't know about.
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SPEAKER_1: You just search it.
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SPEAKER_1: You can find it, Mr. President.
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SPEAKER_2: Well, thanks for bringing that up so everybody can see that and share that
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SPEAKER_2: so they can be observing and know what the heck is around them.
32:34
SPEAKER_1: And know who's watching you.
32:36
SPEAKER_2: And know who's watching.
32:38
SPEAKER_2: Big brother guys watching.
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SPEAKER_1: Absolutely.
32:42
SPEAKER_1: We're going to go to our final break of the hour.
32:44
SPEAKER_1: When we come back, we'll once again invite you to be part of the conversation.
32:48
SPEAKER_1: You can call into the radio station.
32:50
SPEAKER_1: The phone number is 317-480-1310.
32:53
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32:57
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33:04
SPEAKER_1: Welcome back to the Concerned Clergy Radio Show.
33:07
SPEAKER_1: Feel free to call into the studio if you'd like to be part of the conversation.
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SPEAKER_1: That number is 317-480-1310.
33:12
SPEAKER_1: 480-1310-317-480-1310.
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SPEAKER_1: We've just been discussing our Public Safety Committee meeting on tonight,
33:24
SPEAKER_1: in which IMPD was presenting their annual budget to the committee.
33:28
SPEAKER_1: It was a very lively meeting.
33:31
SPEAKER_1: A lot of folks were not happy with Chief Terry,
33:33
SPEAKER_1: and that was pretty much demonstrated inside of,
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SPEAKER_1: I believe they were in the Bursa Foss Room.
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SPEAKER_1: It was really demonstrated inside of the chambers there.
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SPEAKER_1: Mr. President, we've got...
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SPEAKER_1: Question from Denise.
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SPEAKER_1: I'm not sure if we can really answer it.
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SPEAKER_1: She's asking how do they decide who they contact after,
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SPEAKER_1: I guess,
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SPEAKER_1: an officer has utilized the flock system on somebody
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SPEAKER_1: and can they just accuse somebody?
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SPEAKER_1: And I think there's several questions in the utilization,
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SPEAKER_1: Ms. Denise, exactly how can it be utilized?
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SPEAKER_1: Because we know right now, Mr. President, it appears there's really no rules or regulations.
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SPEAKER_1: That are governing the usage.
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SPEAKER_1: Now, one thing I will add to that for Ms.
34:26
SPEAKER_1: Denise is that Chief Terry did say in the meeting on tonight that they were going
34:32
SPEAKER_1: to put something together and present it to the General Orders Board so
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SPEAKER_1: that they could review a policy that did come up on tonight, Ms. Denise.
34:43
SPEAKER_2: Yeah, I mean,
34:43
SPEAKER_2: and keep in mind that the people who have thus far, man,
34:48
SPEAKER_2: approached and dealt with,
34:49
SPEAKER_2: had over like a thousand of the same license plate number.
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SPEAKER_2: So somebody tracking your car over a thousand times.
35:03
SPEAKER_1: You might call that stalking.
35:04
SPEAKER_2: Yes.
35:05
SPEAKER_2: I mean, so it's so egregious.
35:08
SPEAKER_2: Now, where's the line at?
35:11
SPEAKER_2: They don't have a line.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, I think that's where Chief Terry's going towards.
35:15
SPEAKER_2: Creating that policy.
35:17
SPEAKER_2: And again, how long does that take, right?
35:19
SPEAKER_2: We're going to draft the policy.
35:21
SPEAKER_2: It's got to pass legal, got to get through the police union, this, that, and the other.
35:27
SPEAKER_2: Then, okay, what are the consequences?
35:29
SPEAKER_2: If they do do it, all that stuff will probably be debated for a year, Reverend Alexander.
35:38
SPEAKER_2: Because that's what somebody, the police officer, is going to argue right now.
35:41
SPEAKER_2: Well, there's no policy.
35:43
SPEAKER_2: Even though I did this and I'm tracking, you know, somebody over a thousand times.
35:48
SPEAKER_2: I'm checking, you know, 10 times a day.
35:52
SPEAKER_2: Where is it?
35:53
SPEAKER_2: If there's no policy, you know, they're going to argue I should still keep my job.
35:57
SPEAKER_2: You know, there was no policy.
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SPEAKER_2: We get into wordsmithing.
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SPEAKER_2: It's all the legal stuff.
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SPEAKER_2: And how long will it take to create the policy?
36:06
SPEAKER_2: What policy will work?
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SPEAKER_2: And but that's why some cities have gotten out of it because they know
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SPEAKER_2: that can be, you know, an endless circle when you go down that.
36:19
SPEAKER_2: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, so because where's the line at?
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SPEAKER_2: Is it 500 or is it 501?
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SPEAKER_2: You know, what justifies it?
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SPEAKER_2: And then what are the consequences going to be if it's at 501 versus a thousand?
36:38
SPEAKER_2: Are there the same consequences?
36:39
SPEAKER_2: Is it different?
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SPEAKER_2: And that's why some cities have said, hey,
36:43
SPEAKER_2: we won't get into this because it's going to be too hard to,
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SPEAKER_2: quote unquote, to monitor and to manage because where is it?
36:53
SPEAKER_2: What does that look like?
36:56
SPEAKER_1: So once again,
36:57
SPEAKER_1: we put up for those of you that are with us on Facebook,
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SPEAKER_1: we've actually put up the map of Indianapolis and what it shows
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SPEAKER_1: over 500 flock cameras that we actually have.
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SPEAKER_1: The website you can go to is the D-Flock Maps, and the site is maps.dflock.org.
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SPEAKER_1: And, you know,
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SPEAKER_1: even in the process,
37:22
SPEAKER_1: you know,
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SPEAKER_1: Chief mentioned, okay, the general orders, Board will have a chance to review it.
37:28
SPEAKER_1: But the question is,
37:29
SPEAKER_1: how much input will the community,
37:31
SPEAKER_1: you know,
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SPEAKER_1: which is made up of some community members, how much input will they really have?
37:36
SPEAKER_1: Because it's all going to come down, as you said, to the Fraternal Order of Police.
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SPEAKER_1: What they say is they're going to be the ones that are going to drive whatever the policy is.
37:46
SPEAKER_2: Exactly.
37:47
SPEAKER_2: And that's why,
37:48
SPEAKER_2: you know,
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SPEAKER_2: it leaves community members uncertain
37:54
SPEAKER_2: because they're thinking there might not be any teeth to this until
37:58
SPEAKER_2: the next person gets busted.
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SPEAKER_2: And then the next person gets busted versus being strategic and saying this is
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SPEAKER_2: where we are and how we're going to do this.
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SPEAKER_2: Because, again, what's the consequences?
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, even if somebody did it 5,000 times, what's the consequences of that?
38:22
SPEAKER_2: Are there consequences to it?
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SPEAKER_2: What does that penalty look like?
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SPEAKER_2: And we shouldn't be,
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SPEAKER_2: personally, I mean,
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SPEAKER_2: in most of these cases, somebody is following somebody that they personally know.
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SPEAKER_1: Mm-hmm.
38:42
SPEAKER_2: Using your authority,
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SPEAKER_2: power, access to resources for personal use should not be tolerated, period.
38:51
SPEAKER_2: So chasing or following your whatever spouse or whoever
38:56
SPEAKER_2: to me should be something that's not going to be tolerated.
39:01
SPEAKER_2: And a chief will have to communicate that internally.
39:04
SPEAKER_2: The chief will have to say, hey, now I'm not tolerating that.
39:07
SPEAKER_2: If the chief is doing a wink and a blink at that, we will see...
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SPEAKER_2: Through other means, a number of officers get busted.
39:18
SPEAKER_1: Mr. President,
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SPEAKER_1: I want to address,
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SPEAKER_1: Denise has put another question in there, says,
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SPEAKER_1: you know, when,
39:26
SPEAKER_1: who's to say that you're not just tracking people with certain names
39:30
SPEAKER_1: to indicate their race and their religion and other personal ID markers.
39:35
SPEAKER_1: I'll add to that, Ms. Denise.
39:37
SPEAKER_1: And here's how I kind of want to address that and answer that.
39:41
SPEAKER_1: That's going on.
39:43
SPEAKER_1: I mean, we have an attorney general across
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SPEAKER_1: the state that's just given all voter information,
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SPEAKER_1: you know, to the federal government.
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SPEAKER_1: That's happening in other areas.
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SPEAKER_1: Our Social Security numbers,
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SPEAKER_1: if you remember when Elon Musk and DOGE,
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SPEAKER_1: you know,
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SPEAKER_1: when they did all the damage and went rummaging,
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SPEAKER_1: you know, through the Social Security office and other offices.
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SPEAKER_1: They've got your data with all of those identifying markers.
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SPEAKER_1: When you look at what's going on with some of the college campuses,
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SPEAKER_1: the reason there's issues with some of those college students is because they have
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SPEAKER_1: that information right there, Ms. Denise, that you're asking about.
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SPEAKER_1: They're not utilizing Flock for that.
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SPEAKER_1: They have now obtained other information.
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SPEAKER_1: They can click on a keyboard and get it.
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SPEAKER_2: And I'm sure there are a number of us that they watch closely just to be curious,
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SPEAKER_2: Reverend Alexander.
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SPEAKER_1: Okay.
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SPEAKER_1: We got a call on the line.
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SPEAKER_1: Let's go ahead and bring him in.
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SPEAKER_1: We got Guy.
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SPEAKER_3: Good evening.
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SPEAKER_1: Good evening, Guy.
40:48
SPEAKER_1: Can you turn your radio down, please?
40:51
SPEAKER_1: Or whatever that is in the background.
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SPEAKER_1: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_1: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_3: Okay.
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SPEAKER_1: Yep.
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SPEAKER_3: Yeah, increasingly because of technology,
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SPEAKER_3: you're going to have,
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SPEAKER_3: it's going to be more and more invasive in terms of personal records and all
41:12
SPEAKER_3: that kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_3: It's hard to stop that, but it can be stopped by policy, and who makes the policy?
41:21
SPEAKER_3: We make policy,
41:22
SPEAKER_3: but we have to do it,
41:23
SPEAKER_3: which brings us to the fact that we have to do the free,
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SPEAKER_3: practically free effort of elections,
41:37
SPEAKER_3: you know,
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SPEAKER_3: and we have a very important election coming up,
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SPEAKER_3: as you know, on November the 3rd, midterm general election.
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SPEAKER_3: In 2022 midterm general elections, 37.2% of eligible Indiana voters actually voted.
41:57
SPEAKER_3: That's been reported.
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SPEAKER_3: This is ridiculous.
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SPEAKER_3: And we have to, in order to vote, we have to be qualified to vote.
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SPEAKER_3: To qualify the vote, you have to be registered to vote.
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SPEAKER_3: And that registration ends on October the 5th of this year.
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SPEAKER_3: And if you have any questions about your voter registration,
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SPEAKER_3: feel free to call the Voter Registration Office at 3173.
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SPEAKER_3: 275040, that's 5040.
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SPEAKER_3: And make sure,
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SPEAKER_3: because they're constantly changing the qualifications,
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SPEAKER_3: and our esteemed president, in quotations, is trying to change it even more.
42:52
SPEAKER_3: He's trying to prevent this tidal wave that's going to take care of he and his
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SPEAKER_3: and enablers, it's going to be really embarrassing, I believe, for them.
43:06
SPEAKER_3: But at any rate,
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SPEAKER_3: we have to make sure that we are qualified to vote and actually go out and vote.
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SPEAKER_3: So that's all I wanted to say tonight.
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SPEAKER_1: All right.
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SPEAKER_1: Thank you so much.
43:16
SPEAKER_1: We have another caller.
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SPEAKER_1: Let's go ahead and bring in Joyce.
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SPEAKER_1: Joyce?
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SPEAKER_1: Joyce, are you there?
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SPEAKER_1: Joyce going once.
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SPEAKER_1: All right.
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SPEAKER_1: We'll bring Joyce back if she happens to call back in.
43:36
SPEAKER_1: You've got a few minutes, Joyce.
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SPEAKER_1: Okay.
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SPEAKER_4: All right.
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SPEAKER_1: Go ahead, Joyce.
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SPEAKER_4: Are y'all listening?
43:42
SPEAKER_1: We got you now.
43:43
SPEAKER_1: We got you.
43:43
SPEAKER_1: Go ahead.
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SPEAKER_4: Okay.
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SPEAKER_4: So I was just so impressed with your...
43:51
SPEAKER_4: You know, Rita, and all y'all information y'all continually to provide.
43:58
SPEAKER_4: And yeah, life, everybody's going through it, you know.
44:05
SPEAKER_4: And if Jesus went through it, believe you me, you will too.
44:09
SPEAKER_4: Well, I guess, maybe.
44:11
SPEAKER_4: But my point is that you know,
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SPEAKER_4: it's a lot of strange stuff going on, especially with gentrification.
44:19
SPEAKER_4: And they act like, we don't know this has been done before.
44:23
SPEAKER_4: Ain't nothing new under the sun.
44:25
SPEAKER_4: I'm a drawback a bit because I get passionate about these situations.
44:33
SPEAKER_4: So, yeah, we are in a position if we unite like we have.
44:39
SPEAKER_4: But when we do, you know, they bomb and burn and flood.
44:44
SPEAKER_4: Oh, so?
44:46
SPEAKER_4: But all of it, you can't categorize one group.
44:52
SPEAKER_4: That's for real.
44:53
SPEAKER_4: That's the division that they would like us to keep working at.
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SPEAKER_4: No, no.
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SPEAKER_4: We all in this boat.
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SPEAKER_4: Raggedy as it is.
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SPEAKER_4: But if you do better, if you know better, you do better.
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SPEAKER_4: And y'all are providing the information for us to do better.
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SPEAKER_4: That's my whole spiel, thank y'all for being informative and helpful.
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SPEAKER_1: All right.
45:19
SPEAKER_1: We're trying our best.
45:20
SPEAKER_1: Thank you for listening and calling in.
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SPEAKER_4: You are doing it.
45:23
SPEAKER_4: You're doing the dang thing.
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SPEAKER_4: All right.
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SPEAKER_4: Go on.
45:25
SPEAKER_1: Thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_1: All right.
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SPEAKER_1: You be blessed.
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SPEAKER_4: Mm-hmm.
45:28
SPEAKER_1: And to that point, I just want to expound a little bit on what Guy shared.
45:32
SPEAKER_1: Guy shared, you know, you still have time to register.
45:36
SPEAKER_1: Make sure you register.
45:38
SPEAKER_1: And early voting is going to start October 6th.
45:40
SPEAKER_1: So I pulled up on Facebook also.
45:44
SPEAKER_1: He gave us that phone number, but I also want to give you the ability.
45:48
SPEAKER_1: You can go online.
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SPEAKER_1: You can check it yourself right now.
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SPEAKER_1: And all you have to do is go to the indianavoters.in.gov site.
45:56
SPEAKER_1: And that's the voter portal.
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SPEAKER_1: You can go in there.
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SPEAKER_1: You can check your registration,
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SPEAKER_1: your address, make sure all your information is accurate as it is, as it should be.
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SPEAKER_1: Or if there's any changes you need to make or anything,
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SPEAKER_1: you can go ahead and do that before you try to vote.
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SPEAKER_1: Once again, that's the indianavoters.in.gov site.
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SPEAKER_1: So we just wanted to add that in addition with the information that Guy shared
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SPEAKER_1: as well,
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SPEAKER_1: because that's important because we're winding down now about three weeks or so,
46:33
SPEAKER_1: Mr. President.
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SPEAKER_2: We are.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, and elections do have consequences.
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SPEAKER_2: They do matter.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, just think about this whole conversation that's going on.
46:47
SPEAKER_2: Tonight in the chamber with the police chief,
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SPEAKER_2: you know,
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SPEAKER_2: next year there's a mayoral election and each one of those candidates will get
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SPEAKER_2: to decide do they keep the chief or get a different chief.
46:59
SPEAKER_2: Or they may be going in and some of this stuff will probably play
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SPEAKER_2: into their decision making because these are legitimate questions
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SPEAKER_2: for your mayoral candidates.
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SPEAKER_2: To say, okay, do you support this flock technology?
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SPEAKER_2: What do you plan to do?
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SPEAKER_2: How do you plan to manage it?
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SPEAKER_2: Do you like it the way it is?
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SPEAKER_2: Are you going to do something different?
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SPEAKER_2: Because there's no doubt that the chief wouldn't be continuing to do this
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SPEAKER_2: if Mayor Hogsett was against it.
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SPEAKER_2: He could join other cities and pull out.
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SPEAKER_2: So the mayor or leadership has bearing
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SPEAKER_2: on this.
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SPEAKER_2: You know, the city, county, and counselors.
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SPEAKER_2: I mean, those are legitimate questions for -- you're going to vote.
47:44
SPEAKER_2: You need to be asking those questions.
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SPEAKER_2: If you feel like, hey, this is not right or whatever, find out where they are.
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SPEAKER_2: Find out what they're making.
47:54
SPEAKER_2: Maybe somebody's going to double in what you see on that D-Flock map.
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SPEAKER_2: Somebody else may want to double or triple that.
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SPEAKER_2: You don't know, unless you ask them.
48:06
SPEAKER_2: But those are going to be legitimate questions that we need to ask those people
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SPEAKER_2: who are going to be running to be our mayor and to serve
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SPEAKER_2: as our city county councilors.
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SPEAKER_2: Jesse Brown is bringing up an excellent point.
48:21
SPEAKER_2: And he used to be applauded for doing that because our councilors need
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SPEAKER_2: to be asked those questions.
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SPEAKER_2: Chairman Robinson is the chair of the Public Safety Committee.
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SPEAKER_2: He needs to be wrestling with that and be clear about where he is.
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SPEAKER_2: Related to that,
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SPEAKER_2: as well as other members of the Public Safety Committee,
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SPEAKER_2: because money goes into that.
48:43
SPEAKER_2: Our taxpayer dollars is into that.
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SPEAKER_2: You don't get to have those cameras and that data and capture that footage for free.
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SPEAKER_2: That's all money.
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SPEAKER_1: And there's a contract tied to it,
48:54
SPEAKER_1: and we know IMPD at least has another year, if not two, on their flock contract.
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SPEAKER_2: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_2: So is that going to get extended?
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SPEAKER_2: When we get to 2027, is that something a mayor wants to extend?
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SPEAKER_2: Are they going to migrate from it?
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SPEAKER_2: Those are legitimate questions that need to be raised, Reverend Alexander.
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SPEAKER_1: Well, and even do you have to maintain,
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SPEAKER_1: even though you have a contract, does that mean you have to use it?
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SPEAKER_1: I mean, if you have a community that says we're against it.
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SPEAKER_1: I mean, you know,
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SPEAKER_1: you bring up something,
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SPEAKER_1: you know,
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SPEAKER_1: very valid in that we have several mayoral candidates right now that have already,
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SPEAKER_1: you know, either officially put their name in a hat.
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SPEAKER_1: They've made it very public that that's what they're going to do.
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SPEAKER_1: Our current mayor said, well, you know, he'll make that decision after the primary elections.
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SPEAKER_1: So I guess he's still thinking about it.
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SPEAKER_1: I don't know what's going to happen in November that will help him change his mind
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SPEAKER_1: or make his determination.
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SPEAKER_1: But that's what he announced on today.
49:57
SPEAKER_1: But, you know, a lot of these issues are, I'll say, very important to the community.
50:05
SPEAKER_1: You know,
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SPEAKER_1: the community wants to have answers and not just,
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SPEAKER_1: you know, Democrat, Republican, not just black and white.
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SPEAKER_1: Some of the things we've been talking about on the night,
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SPEAKER_1: you have people across the board that have concerns.
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SPEAKER_2: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_2: Because we're paying for it, and rightfully so.
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SPEAKER_2: And we need to know what that looks like.
50:26
SPEAKER_2: And so while we're in this particular situation,
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SPEAKER_2: Chief Terry is there,
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SPEAKER_2: we cannot lose sight of the fact that the mayor is in support of this.
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SPEAKER_2: That person's not doing that independent of her boss.
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SPEAKER_2: The chief of staff is on point with this.
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SPEAKER_2: You know, probably Councilor Robinson is in support of this.
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SPEAKER_2: So if you have that, you need to know that.
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SPEAKER_2: And it's all right if that's where you are.
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SPEAKER_2: Say that, though.
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SPEAKER_2: Don't be wishy-washy and just make it like, you know, Chief Terry made his decision on her own.
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SPEAKER_2: Because this thing got signed before she was chief.
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SPEAKER_1: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_2: She inherited this situation, right?
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SPEAKER_2: She's inherited the situation because it was signed before she was chief.
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SPEAKER_2: And, you know, so how much wiggle room does she have to get out of it?
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SPEAKER_2: You know, does she have to convince him?
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SPEAKER_2: Who does she have to convince?
51:29
SPEAKER_2: You know,
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SPEAKER_2: because sometimes we can use that person as a scapegoat and we're not really looking
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SPEAKER_2: at who's really making that decision.
51:37
SPEAKER_2: But coming into a Mayoral election
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SPEAKER_2: in May of 2027 for the Democrat Party
51:46
SPEAKER_2: that primary, you need to know where they are.
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SPEAKER_2: All those candidates.
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SPEAKER_1: Those questions need to be raised.
51:52
SPEAKER_2: Those questions need to be answered.
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SPEAKER_1: Absolutely.
51:56
SPEAKER_2: That needs to weigh in your decision making.
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SPEAKER_1: All right.
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SPEAKER_1: So a lot of that's what happened on tonight.
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SPEAKER_1: They also discussed,
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SPEAKER_1: you know,
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SPEAKER_1: what's IMPD do,
52:06
SPEAKER_1: you know,
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SPEAKER_1: in regards to ICE,
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SPEAKER_1: and they've given their standard answer,
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SPEAKER_1: well, we don't get involved in ICE activities.
52:13
SPEAKER_1: We only do state and local.
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SPEAKER_1: So that's the standard answer.
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SPEAKER_1: That's what they gave on tonight.
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SPEAKER_1: But we have to stop our program on tonight.
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SPEAKER_1: We thank everyone that's participated either by calling in or sharing your comments on Facebook.
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SPEAKER_1: And we'll keep you informed.
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SPEAKER_1: As much as we hear, we'll try to share that with you all.
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SPEAKER_1: Mr. President, thank you, everyone.
52:35
SPEAKER_1: Have a good evening.
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SPEAKER_2: Take care, everyone.
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