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Colts Recap, Cowboys Preview · Steelers Country Weekly

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  Speaker 1: Today I'm Steelers Country Weekly. We break down the Steelers
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  Speaker 1: first loss of the season in Indianapolis to the Colts.
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  Speaker 2: We'll look ahead to the home.
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  Speaker 1: Matchup in primetime against the Dallas Cowboys. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: some recent trade rumors that just came out, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about some of our favorite Steelers
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  Speaker 1: that played the way the game is supposed to be played.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nick de Tulio and is always enjoined by the
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  Speaker 1: world famous accountant Eric Vammon. Showden, Eric, How are you tonight?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing all right? Uh, the move countdown is here. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: When my wife used the word we're moving next Friday
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  Speaker 3: spooked me a little bit. How close to it so
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  Speaker 3: creeps up on you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it does. So I am excited though.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get back into town and hopefully be able to
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  Speaker 3: watch the watch the game next week, uh in my
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  Speaker 3: new home in Ohio. So hopefully a different result than
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  Speaker 3: what we saw this past Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: So what does next Friday? What does that move entail
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  Speaker 1: for you? I know you've probably got some stuff already
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  Speaker 1: up in Cincinnati, or you packing your cars filled with
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  Speaker 1: things to the brim, or do you really just have
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  Speaker 1: to move yourselves up in a few things.
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  Speaker 2: What's that going to look like?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's full on.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we got the movers coming in on that Friday.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be like when the Baltimore Colts left in the
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  Speaker 3: middle of the night, and yeah, we'll direct them about
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  Speaker 3: take this and this and this and whatever doesn't fit
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  Speaker 3: in the truck or isn't supposed to go in the
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  Speaker 3: truck goes in a car, and we'll have a probably
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  Speaker 3: normally is about seventeen hour drive with a baby and
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  Speaker 3: a dog.
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  Speaker 4: I would add an hour to that.
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  Speaker 3: So eighteen hour ride into Cincinnati, nice and smooth.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 2: I am not jealous of you at all.
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  Speaker 1: I will say that I am going up to Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: over the holidays, and I'm going to take my three
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  Speaker 1: kids by myself a few days early to give my
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  Speaker 1: wife a little bit of a break and because she
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  Speaker 1: wants to do some projects that surprisingly are easier to
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  Speaker 1: do when you don't have three little pairs of hands
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  Speaker 1: trying to help you and get in the way.
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  Speaker 4: I believe.
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  Speaker 1: So, I that's only about a seven hour drive. No,
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  Speaker 1: if there's no stops or anything, which I'm sure there
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  Speaker 1: will be. But yeah, seventeen hours with the dog and
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  Speaker 1: the baby. You're you're a braver man than me.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I did it at about a.
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  Speaker 3: Month and a half ago or a month ago, and
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  Speaker 3: I told my wife just to warn you, this drive
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  Speaker 3: is not going to be fun. It wasn't fun by myself.
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  Speaker 3: It won't be fun with three other passengers.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you that, right.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's get into some football. I know
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  Speaker 1: we're kind of dragging our feet. You're talking about the
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  Speaker 1: Steelers game. But unfortunately what happened was what I had
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  Speaker 1: thought was gonna happen. But I let you talk me
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  Speaker 1: out of it. I believed in the magic because of you,
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  Speaker 1: mister optimism.
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  Speaker 2: In any case, the.
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  Speaker 1: Steelers ended up losing to the Colts in Indianapolis twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven to twenty four. It ended up being a very
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  Speaker 1: close game. It started off about as horribly as it
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  Speaker 1: could for the Steelers. They started off in a seventeen
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  Speaker 1: to oh hole and frankly, Anthony Richardson got hurt on
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  Speaker 1: the I think second drive of the game. And of
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  Speaker 1: course who comes in to save the day for the
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  Speaker 1: Colts Joe Flacco, mister elite himself. The odd thing is,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is a polar opposite of Anthony Richardson. But
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  Speaker 1: he did not miss it. He did not miss a
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  Speaker 1: beat at all in that first half, especially, the Colts
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  Speaker 1: just marched down the field and had no problems with
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  Speaker 1: the Steelers defense.
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  Speaker 2: They were like Swiss cheese out.
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  Speaker 1: There, which is odd because that's normally the rock of
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  Speaker 1: our team or our point of strength, is the defense.
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  Speaker 1: But that really, that hole just became too big for
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  Speaker 1: the Steels to dig out of, even though they did
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  Speaker 1: come close. So we'll talk about some more of the
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  Speaker 1: finer details here as we go through this, but I'll
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  Speaker 1: start asking you, as I always do, what were some
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  Speaker 1: of the takeaways from this game from your perspective?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just a.
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  Speaker 3: Little surprise, and considering that, you know, the defense didn't
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  Speaker 3: play very well, that he just backup quarterback comes in
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  Speaker 3: and he was relatively efficient.
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  Speaker 4: You know, their running game was fine.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they had a couple of big runs,
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  Speaker 3: you know, nothing too major, especially because they have Jonathan Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, that was a focus, but obviously
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  Speaker 3: they they gave about just enough so and then I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure. Yeah, they the Colts didn't turned the ball over.
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  Speaker 3: We gave it up twice, so you know, I think
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  Speaker 3: that those are the key takeaways of it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I think that I mentioned last week about how would
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  Speaker 3: we respond if we kind of went down early, how
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  Speaker 3: Justin Justin Fields respond. I think that there was a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of mixed results there, right. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to take anything away from him. That fumble was ugly,
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  Speaker 3: you know where we fumbled it around in midfield. It
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  Speaker 3: was kind of a killer. There was that botch that snap.
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  Speaker 3: Is that Frazier's fault? Is that Field's fault? I'm not sure,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, I think that like he also got
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  Speaker 3: us into that position at the end of the game
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  Speaker 3: where it was possible. So we were down at one
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  Speaker 3: point two touchdowns and because of the three and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I will say that was a pathetic two minute drive.
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  Speaker 3: But regardless, I've got that we were never out of it,
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  Speaker 3: and so I will commend the.
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  Speaker 4: Team for that at least.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the turnover and the big turnover. I
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  Speaker 1: think it might have been the only turnover for the Steelers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry they had too. There was the
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  Speaker 1: Justin Fields fumble and that George Pickens fumble. So the
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  Speaker 1: George Pickens fumble was really bad. It was really bad
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  Speaker 1: because they were driving before the half. They were trying
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  Speaker 1: to get into the end zone. I think he was
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  Speaker 1: inside the ten yard line when he fumbled it right
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  Speaker 1: near there, And honestly, it was just because he was
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  Speaker 1: only holding onto the ball with one hand trying to
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  Speaker 1: get an extra yard that he didn't have as good
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  Speaker 1: of a grip on the ball as he should have.
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  Speaker 2: So there was a big red zone turnover.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, that takes away any possibility of points on the drive.
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  Speaker 1: And again when you lose by three points, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you tell me, you do the math.
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  Speaker 2: So that was big.
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  Speaker 1: The Justin fields fumble was also big because that completely
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  Speaker 1: I might be getting my plays mixed up here, so
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  Speaker 1: I will. Yeah, the fumble was big because it was
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  Speaker 1: just not it's another turnover when you're trying to desperately
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  Speaker 1: win the turnover margin again in a close game. The Again,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'm getting my things mixed up here, but I
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  Speaker 1: believe the fund Justin Field's fumble, even if he had
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  Speaker 1: recovered it, it would have been a sack that knocked
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  Speaker 1: them out of field goal range anyway. Now, now, don't
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  Speaker 1: get me wrong, I would still would have preferred to
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  Speaker 1: have punted in that situation. As to just giving them
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  Speaker 1: the ball, but I'm just highlighting that there was another
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  Speaker 1: Regardless of how that play ended up, it was yet
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  Speaker 1: another instance where we even had any opportunity for points
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  Speaker 1: taken away from us. A couple other big plays I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to call out where maybe there wasn't a turnover
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  Speaker 1: but it significantly impacted the game were third down plays.
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  Speaker 1: The particularly on the last Colts drive the Steelers could
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  Speaker 1: not or on the last Colts touchdown drive, I should
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  Speaker 1: say the Steelers could not get the Colts off the field.
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  Speaker 2: They had third and long three different times.
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  Speaker 1: Two times they gave up big plays on the plays prior,
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  Speaker 1: like Cam Hayward just couldn't bring down Joe Flacco, which
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  Speaker 1: set up instead of being a third and long, it
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  Speaker 1: was maybe a third and eight, which allowed them to convert.
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  Speaker 1: So lots of missed opportunities like that, and then there
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  Speaker 1: was the unnecessary roughness call in Minka Fitzpatrick, which he
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  Speaker 1: was obviously frustrated about.
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  Speaker 2: He think the frame think about that.
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  Speaker 1: On principle, I agree with him, But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you that as soon as.
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  Speaker 2: I saw that hit, I knew a flag was coming.
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  Speaker 4: I knew the flag was coming. I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: I think they even they mentioned that, so I think
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  Speaker 3: Seratory is like the best rules analysts. I think he
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  Speaker 3: is very honest when the refs get it wrong. I
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  Speaker 3: think his viewpoint correct me if I'm wrong, was that
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  Speaker 3: they shouldn't have called it, but player safety.
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  Speaker 4: Wide receiver who dropped it? You know.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, it's just like his Gene's stereotoya brought up. It's
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  Speaker 3: just these guys are flying at twenty miles an hour.
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  Speaker 3: How do you expect them to change their trajectory and
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  Speaker 3: not injured themselves? So unfortunately, guess that call. I think
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  Speaker 3: Minka's I think his reputation precedes him a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: so I think that that also factors into.
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  Speaker 1: It, and they did give him the benefit of the
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  Speaker 1: doubt as well. On the one where Richardson left the
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  Speaker 1: game because he was slight, it was one of those
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  Speaker 1: where the quarterbacks slid, but the refs have to make
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  Speaker 1: the judgment call of was the defender trying to tackle
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  Speaker 1: him before he slid or not, And you could see
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  Speaker 1: I thought on that one it was the right call
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  Speaker 1: to not throw the flag as well there where he
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  Speaker 1: kind of held up, But that was one where I
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  Speaker 1: was more surprised that they didn't throw the flag just
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  Speaker 1: because of the fact that it was a quarterback that
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  Speaker 1: was already hurt. But look, I mean, it sucks, but
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  Speaker 1: that's part of the challenge and that's part of what
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  Speaker 1: they're paid for, as well as to not make those
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  Speaker 1: mistakes as challenging as it may be for them. And look,
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  Speaker 1: I've got sympathy for the defense. If someone like Tom
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  Speaker 1: Brady is saying it's hard to play defense, then you
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  Speaker 1: know that or something there. But the point is that
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  Speaker 1: extended the drive that kept the game out of reach
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  Speaker 1: for the Steelers. And then you referenced the Botch snap
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  Speaker 1: on the last drive of the game for the Steelers,
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  Speaker 1: which I think ended up being a twelve yard loss
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  Speaker 1: and really just was a backbreaker for them because they
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  Speaker 1: could not get a first down after that. For what
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  Speaker 1: it's worth, Justin Fields is accepting ownership of that. He
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  Speaker 1: said they were doing a silent count and Zach Frasier
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  Speaker 1: is supposed to snap the ball on his first kick,
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  Speaker 1: and Field said it was his fault because he did
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  Speaker 1: the kick, but he was trying to get one last.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the defense.
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  Speaker 1: And look, I don't know if I believe him. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: he's covering for his teammate, maybe he's not, maybe he
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  Speaker 1: is telling the truth. But in neither case, I do.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about it a lot this year with the
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  Speaker 1: different kind of leadership that we have and how refreshing
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  Speaker 1: it is. It's been a while since we've had a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback owned something like that. Yea, so will I will
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  Speaker 1: at least say that I do appreciate him owning up
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  Speaker 1: to that, not throwing this teammates under the bus, saying
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  Speaker 1: it was his fault when if we're being completely honest, here,
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  Speaker 1: Justin Fields was the main reason that the Steelers even
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  Speaker 1: had a chance in this game, and we haven't even
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  Speaker 1: talked about that yet. Here Justin Fields went twenty two
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  Speaker 1: of thirty four with three hundred and twelve yards, one
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  Speaker 1: passing touchdown to Friarmouth and then two rushing touchdowns as well.
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  Speaker 1: This I think was the game where he was finally
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  Speaker 1: able to solidify Hey, I am the quarterback. I can
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  Speaker 1: do this. Just a little unfortunate and it came in
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  Speaker 1: a loss. But I have to say that with the
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  Speaker 1: news already that Russell Wilson is still not going to
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  Speaker 1: be active other than being the.
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  Speaker 2: Emergency third quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think that this is probably the game
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  Speaker 1: that solidified everything for us at quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like our offense was explosive enough. I
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  Speaker 3: think if we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot. You
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  Speaker 3: drop a good one about George Pickens bumbling it.
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  Speaker 4: In the red zone. I mean, even if.
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  Speaker 3: You attached three to that, scoring twenty seven points, having
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  Speaker 3: a three hundred yard passer while still getting one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and twenty two yards rushing, and we had three guys
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  Speaker 3: with fifty receiving yards.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I can't remember the last time.
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  Speaker 3: It had to be like the Big Ben years where
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  Speaker 3: we're looking at numbers like that.
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  Speaker 4: Canny Pickett never had a three hundred yard game.
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  Speaker 3: Mason might have had one against the Bengals last year.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely was not doing the running prowess that Justin Fields had.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, I think that we would have won
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  Speaker 4: this game at the defense, not.
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  Speaker 3: You know, explicit the bet, you know. I just I
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  Speaker 3: feel like it was very surprising. Maybe the defense was
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  Speaker 3: getting a little bit like ahead of themselves, were one
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  Speaker 3: of the best we've been, were only averaging eight points.
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  Speaker 4: A game, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: I held the Chargers to less than two hundred yards.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they're just pounding their chest thinking that everything every
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  Speaker 3: week is gonna be easy.
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  Speaker 4: So I think this game was a really good lesson.
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  Speaker 3: Is a lesson for justin fields to play from through
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  Speaker 3: adversity in the defense.
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  Speaker 4: To kind of get their stuff together, right.
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  Speaker 3: There were definitely some flaws and something that we hadn't
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  Speaker 3: seen in the previous three.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the thing that really just irks
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  Speaker 1: me though, is the fact that it took a whole
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  Speaker 1: of adjustments. And even then, I mean, the defense, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like it was a tale of two games. The
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  Speaker 1: defense still had some falls in the second half too.
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  Speaker 1: But when when the other teams starting quarterback goes down,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, they're sending in Joe Flacco here. We
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  Speaker 1: know this guy, We've seen him for years. I jokingly
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  Speaker 1: called him mister Elite because he's not elite. He had
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  Speaker 1: one of the best postseason runs ever. But regardless, if
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  Speaker 1: you remember the way he ended his Baltimore career, he
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  Speaker 1: was not looking very good and he had a great
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  Speaker 1: resurgence last year in Cleveland. Cleveland probably should have kept
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  Speaker 1: them with what they've got. But anyway, when a guy
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  Speaker 1: who hasn't been taking the first string reps comes on
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  Speaker 1: to the field, you have to be looking at it like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's got to at least be a little bit rusty.
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  Speaker 1: We should be able to make something happen here. And
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  Speaker 1: I swear he didn't miss a beat at all. You
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  Speaker 1: would not have known any different by looking If you
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  Speaker 1: just looked at the stats for the total passing, you'd
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  Speaker 1: have been like, Okay, Richardson had a pretty good game.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't have been surprised at all. And I will
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  Speaker 1: give the Colts credit because I think we only got
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  Speaker 1: to Flacco for a sack once, so their aligne did
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  Speaker 1: a really good job protecting him. He's certainly not as
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  Speaker 1: mobile as Anthony Richardson. And I'll give the receivers credit.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe it was our defense not knowing their assignments,
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  Speaker 1: but it felt like they just kept running crossing routes
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  Speaker 1: and they were open nine times out of ten. So
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  Speaker 1: it is what it is. Like you said, sometimes a
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  Speaker 1: loss can do more for you than a win.
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  Speaker 2: This was a good lesson.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it was a bit of a trap game heading
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  Speaker 1: into the Dallas game next week. Maybe it was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of arrogance, but if it humbles them and
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  Speaker 1: if they can learn from them, then then it'll be good.
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  Speaker 1: And the positive news is that the team is in
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  Speaker 1: first place because of their three to zero start. The
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  Speaker 1: Browns lost, the Bengals got their first win. And the
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  Speaker 1: scary thing is Baltimore put the beat down on Buffalo,
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  Speaker 1: who had been one of the.
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  Speaker 2: Hottest teams, if not the hottest team so far this year.
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  Speaker 1: So Baltimore. Obviously, we'll only have a quarter the way
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  Speaker 1: through the year, but it would have been nice to
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  Speaker 1: keep that cushion over Baltimore.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, Baltimore real good. And honestly, they haven't looked
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  Speaker 3: bad this year. I mean maybe outside the Raiders game,
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  Speaker 3: but the Chart or the Chiefs game, they very.
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  Speaker 4: Well could have won that game too. And I forget
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  Speaker 4: who they played a week to the Dream, but I
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  Speaker 4: think they beat the Hacker then too.
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  Speaker 2: Cowboys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they had a good lead and then the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 4: Came back to me.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, there you have it.
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  Speaker 1: The Steelers fall the Colts in Indianapolis twenty seven to
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  Speaker 1: twenty four. They now return to Pittsburgh to play the
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  Speaker 1: Cowboys in the Sunday night game. We talked a little
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  Speaker 1: bit abou Dallas just a moment ago in their game
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  Speaker 1: against the Ravens. Frankly, the Cowboys have had a really
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  Speaker 1: interesting year so far. You've got the loss to the
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  Speaker 1: Ravens that we mentioned, You've got another beat down the
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  Speaker 1: week before that to the Saints at their home field.
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  Speaker 1: But they do have wins against the Browns, and they're
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  Speaker 1: coming off a mini big in their Thursday night win
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  Speaker 1: against the New York Giants, who are a much beleaguered
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  Speaker 1: team that we're all aware of.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the benefit.
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  Speaker 1: For the Steelers is that they're coming home. I hope that,
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  Speaker 1: like we said, this is a learning experience for them
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  Speaker 1: and it's not just kind of like the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: them digging a hole. But we'll find out on Sunday night.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll ask you, what are some things you're looking
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  Speaker 1: forward to in.
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  Speaker 3: This Yeah, so this is really gonna be a testament
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  Speaker 3: to our secondary, right, can they respond? Are they gonna
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  Speaker 3: play like they did in the first three weeks or
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  Speaker 3: this last week? Because Dallas does not run the ball.
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  Speaker 3: They're leading Russia is one hundred and thirty four yards
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  Speaker 3: in the year.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: That's their four game, so they air it out a lot.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I feel like they've always they always have with DAK,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: since they have now invested one hundred million combined per
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: year between DAK and Ceedee Lamb.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: For the foreseeable future, I don't think that that's gonna change.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: So, uh, the secondary better be ready for this because
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: they're gonna air it out, especially after they watched Joe
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Flacco have quite a decent.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Game against US.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Another thing just kind of keeping in mind mine too, though,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: is maybe this is the game that we get aggressive
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: through the air as well, so fields having a three
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: hundred yard passing game. Maybe it's some things that worked
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: out through this past week. But two guys that he
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: might not see kind of kind of ear pin their
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: ears back and go after us. Micah Parsons and DeMarcus
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Lawrence are both doubtful for the game, so their two
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: best edge rushers are likely out, So.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Let's get a little bit aggressive.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, I I feel like this channel they know
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: everyone that everyone knows that I love running the ball,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: time possession, blah blah. Maybe this is the game that
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: we try to get a little dynamic weather bearing right,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: you know, if it's a rainy game, Yeah, obviously that
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: might change things.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: It is in Heinz field, so wins always as a factor.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: But that's something I definitely would like to see, is
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: just so maybe both sides of the ball, who's.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Gonna win it? The bear?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I I agree with your take on the offense,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and we saw justin fields with a lot more flexibility
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: in the passing game, probably just because of the nature
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: of how this past week played out, where they were
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in a situation where they clearly needed to pass the ball.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And I shouldn't have totally dumped on George Pickens for
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the fumble. It was a costly mistake, but he did
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: still have seven receptions for one hundred and thirteen yards,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: so his big playability is still there and it'd be
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: nice to see him open things up too. And of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: course everything goes hand in hand, right, So if they're
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: able to make some good passing plays at the start
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: of the game, show the defense, hey, this team can
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: actually throw the ball, that might open things up a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: little bit more for the running game. Not sure whether
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: we're going to have all three of our running backs
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in there or if we're going to have to go
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: with Patterson for the most part, with some Harris mixed in.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: There.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I know Jalen Warren's still kind of weak to week
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: with his.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Injury, and Nag He's been banged up as well, so
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it's a little spotty on who we're actually going to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: have on the field as well for that portion.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I think that I'm with you.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Running the ball, controlling the type of possession would be ideal,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I would say if I'm the offense, though, this week,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: my main priority is just not turning the ball over.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: That's two weeks in a row that we've lost the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: turnover battle. Two weeks ago against the Chargers, it was
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: one turnover on a battered interception. This week it was
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: two different fumbles. So the positive out of that is
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: it Fields is taking care of the ball when he's throwing,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily blame that interception from last week
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: on him, the way that the ball got battered around
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: by the secondary and his own receiver, So I would
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: trust him to pass the ball a little more too.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: But again, the bad news is a turnover is still
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a turnover no matter how you get it. So as
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: long as they can control that time of possession, I
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: don't think the defense is going to have two off
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: weeks in a row. Frankly, I'm not sure what the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Colts did, but I don't think the Cowboys are going
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to be as disciplined as the Colts were. So I
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: just think that with it being primetime at home, all
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the things we've discussed, I do think that the Steelers
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: do have the advantage, and I think I will give
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: them the win here.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see TJ.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Watt make his presence known a little bit more, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I think that that would kind of be the icing
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: on the cake for everything we've discussed. If he can
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: have another big game or even just make one big
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: play like which he seems to have a knack to do,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I think that could set the tone here.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: So I'll give the Steelers up. Go ahead.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, i's agreeing with you, Okay.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Cool, I'll give the Steelers the win here. Let's see,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: they put up twenty four points three touchdowns.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: We were right though.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: They did score three touchdowns, so this week they're on
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: pace for four touchdowns.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I'll give the Steelers.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Twenty seven points this week, and I'll give the Cowboys seventeen.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Ye, that sounds about right. Uh, you know they're gonna
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: air it out. I think that it can lead to
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: more points.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: There, go bold, I'm gonna go the Steelers thirty one,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Cowboys twenty three.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: All right, break that, let's do it. I hope we're right.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I think the signs are pointing that way. But we've
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: been disappointed before.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: So the big.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: News today in the NFL was actually that Davante Adams
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: requested a trade from the Raiders, and you and I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: talked a little bit about this before we started recording.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: We don't want to be the guys who anytime any
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: player you know shows up like this in the news
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that we're like, oh, the Steelers need to trade for them,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: they need to make it happen. It's just that the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: position the Steelers are in right now with wide receiver
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: opens them up to that every time that there is
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver available, they're going to be on everyone's
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: list of teams that this player can fit on and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: who should make a trade for Davante Adams. So we
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: can talk a little bit about it. I know there's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about all the teams that might make
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: this work, but we do have to remember that the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Steelers were very much in the mix for Brandon Ie.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: You get the start of the year, So I don't
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: know how your thoughts are playing out here, but my
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: thinking is that if the Raiders are willing to trade
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: him and they're taking the phone calls, I would imagine
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Omar Khan has to be one of the guys who's
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: at least calling to see what it's going to cost.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that I would obviously get the cost,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: but however, I just don't see the cost aligning to
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: what the Steelers want to give. So the Raiders gave
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: up I think it was the first and either second
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: or third round there when they trade it for him.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: So some cost theory though, you know they're not gonna
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: be able to get that, But what does that cost?
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Raiders not going to just give him
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: up for a low second round or a low Day two.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: So I think it's probably a second rounder may move
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: the needle on a trade. And do we think a
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: second rounder is worth it for a guy who is
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: thirty two years old and his cap number will be
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: well into the thirties based on his contract.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: I think they might have.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Been excited about Ayuk because he's younger and maybe potential
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to grow where Devonte Adams contract could be albatross by
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: the time it's over, So I don't know. I wouldn't
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: put it past us. I wouldn't be upset necessarily, but
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I think that there's a proceed with caution with it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: There's always going to be a proceed with caution at
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: this kind of deal. Like you said, the guy's north
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of thirty. Not to criticize anyone who's north of thirties
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: as the two of us sit here, but and that
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: was the biggest difference between this situation and Brandon Ayuk.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Even if the Steelers got Ayuk, he's twenty six, so
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: in theory they would get a lot more. They would
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: get more years out of him. There's other teams out
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: there that do need wide receivers, particularly the Kansas City
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Chiefs come to mind right now now that Patrick Mahomes
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: is out there breaking.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: His own guy's knees.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Wait, what happened?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Was it Rashie Rice as their receiver? I think it
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: was on an interception, but Mahomes is actually the one
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: who took out his receivers knee trying to make a tow. Yeah, yeah,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: so he I think it's Rashie Rice and he's out
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: for the year now. So that's why the Chiefs are
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: very desperate for receivers.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I thought was up because he did some Henry Rugg
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: stuff going on.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: He did, but he was still playing for the season
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: because the trial's not after this season, if I'm not mistaken.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you go.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: So look at.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Taking the money and everything out of the equation. Yeah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, if the Steelers can get DeVante Adam, sure,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: why not. I mean, they need receivers. We still haven't
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: seen Roman Wilson on the field, and at this point
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: he's missed the first four games of his rookie season,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: so I really don't know what kind of impact the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: guy would have anyway right away.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, and I'm with you as well.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Sunk cost the raven The Raiders know they're not going
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to get what they paid for in terms of trying
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to recoup draft capital. I don't know what they're gonna
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: take though, And I don't know what Omar Khan is
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: willing to give up, what a second rounder and maybe
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: some other either personnel or capital, I don't know. So
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a situation where
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: he can send a conditional sixth rounder for a fourth rounder,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing that we did in field.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: As much as I would like.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: That right right call it now, I think the only
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: saving grace here is the Raiders know that the season
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: is over. I don't want to say over. They know
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: that him requesting a trade. If they followed through on it,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: they're not winning the Super Bowl this year anyway. But
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that is a clear message that, Yep, the season's done.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: We are totally focused on a rebuild. If you're the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Steelers and you want to make the trade, you have
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: to assume that the Raiders probably will not trade within
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: their division unless the Chiefs just give them a really
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: sweet deal, which again I don't know why the Chiefs
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: would do because they'd be giving their divisional foe all
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: those resources and what have you. And there's just other
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: teams that I don't know have the capability to make
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the cap space work. The Bills are a team that
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: everyone thought needed wide receiver help. With Stefan Diggs out,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that'd be kind of fun to watch Buck Josh Allen
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: with DeVante Adams. I just don't know that they have
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the cap space to make it work. They had to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: do a lot of cuts this offseason, The Jets are
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: another interesting one. You can get the Aaron Rodgers Davante
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Adams reunion. They've got their own cap issues, so I
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: guess with most trades, I know it's a boring answer,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: but if they can do it for the right price,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I'd say sure. But I would say, let's temper expectations,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and at this point it's possible that he could very
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: well just stay put.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Well, let's do a little prices right reference here.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I'm terrible at this, but what's what's that's too much?
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: What's that price to you?
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: If it's true what they're asking for is a second
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: rounder and additional either draft picks or personnel, I think
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that is too high for me. If it's just a
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: straight second rounder in this upcoming draft, I would have
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to think about that, and depending on how confident I
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: am in my team for the rest of the season,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I might pull that trigger. The only downside to doing that, though,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: is that justin Field's draft pick, Because it looks like
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: we're going to be sending Chicago fourth rounder now instead
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: of a sixth rounder. So if we did that, we'd
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: be losing a second and a fourth rounder in the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: upcoming draft. Yeah, but if I were Omar Khan because
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I hate when you ask questions and I give wishy,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: washy answers. I will I will say yes if the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: if the pick was, if the asking price was, just
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: give us your second rounder. Seeing what I've seen so far,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I think I would pull that trigger if I could
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: make the salary cap work.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, typically I would say, well,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: that's like way too much for an aging star, but
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I've got mentioned it too. I just I think the
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: clock is ticking for our our aging stars right to
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: like I want to see Cameron Heyward and TJ. Watt
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: win playoff game.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: You're not even asking for a super Bowl. You just
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: want them to get to the divisional round, all right.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: So look, I mean it's just I.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: So it might cost a little bit more than what
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: we would normally be able to do. But at the
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: same time, that's what is our second rounder gonna be.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be outside the top fifty. So you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I think that the cap is the biggest thing I'm
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: worried about. But look, I just if you told me
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: that we can get it done second rounder, I'd be like, Okay,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: that's fine. If it's a conditional and then it becomes
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: a potential first rounder.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: That's way too much. Just flat out would hang up.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: First round first rounder is out of the question for me.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: This is not the Minka Fitzpatrick situation.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: This is totally different.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, it's funny because back then we're like, what
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: are we doing? Where are we training for? A guy?
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Loom our quarterback just went out.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So I think I'll have to go back and check
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the tape on that one. I think we were a
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: little more optimistic about that. But anyway, okay, so it
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: sounds like we're kind of in the same ballpark here.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: A second round, we'd probably probably pulled the trigger. Yeah,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: but anything Yeah, now, okay, I shouldn't have said anything
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: more than that. If we're going to offer a second
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: rounder and like a seventh rounder and next year's draft, okay, fine,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: But anything of actual consequence, I would say beyond that
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: second rounder, i'd say no.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Probably all right.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Well, In sad news for our hometown and really for
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the sports world, Pete Rose passed away yesterday on September thirtieth,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and despite having a really complicated legacy
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: with everything that happened in the man's life, and career.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty universally accepted that when you're looking
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: at just the man's work ethic on the field, everyone
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: can agree that that's how I should play the game of.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Baseball, or that that's.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: How I should play my sport, that's how I should
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: approach my job, always giving it one hundred percent, never
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: letting up.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: And I think that that is admirable.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: And I think again, I don't know that I've ever
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: seen anyone complain about Pete Rose as a player in
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: any way, shape or form, except maybe the people who
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: thought he ran too hard in the nineteen seventy All
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Star Game. So for our fun topic, I thought it
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: might be kind of good for us and kind of
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: a nod to our hometown as well of Cincinnati, to
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: talk about one or more Steeler that each of us
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: has in mind that played the game the way that
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: we we know Pete Rose played the game of baseball.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: So I've got at least one in mind. I'm gonna
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: let you go first and hope you don't take my
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: answer here, but I'll ask you, is there is there
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a Steeler that comes to your mind that you feel
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: played the game of football with the same grit and
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: intensity and work ethic. I guess I should say that
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Pete Rose played the game of baseball with.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go with the one that didn't pop into
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: my mind right away, just in case that is the one.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: That you thought of.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: No, no, fine, I'm gonna go with Brett Keesel.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: So I had two definitely in mind. And Brett was
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the second person I thought of.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Brett Keesel to me.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Much like how Karon Hayward is, but maybe not to
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: the like notoriety is. I think Cam Hayward is definitely
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: known as to like being very well like well received,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: one of the better like defensive.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Tackles in the league. Yeah, but I think that Hezel
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: was a guy that just played the game so well.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: I thought he okay.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: And obviously Pete Rose was himself, so I'm not trying
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: to say that he was just a role player, right,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: But and Keesel was good player. But Hezel was a
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: guy that, like, he might get six sacks in the season,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: which you wouldn't bat an eye on, but he was
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: one of the nastiest run defenders in the whole entire league.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: He was a guy that like was such a tone
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: setter for that defense. And just when I think of
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: like a blue collar player, guy that just like is
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: gritty and willing to just do whatever needs to get
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: done to win the game.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: And just loves it.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: That's just why I think of when I think of
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: the Steeler, I think of Kiesel.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: So I had three kind of pop into my mind,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to mention. I mean, I'll tell
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you the other two just as an honorable mention. But
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and instead of just naming all three, because I feel
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: like that would be a little bit disrespectful to say, oh, yeah,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: here's three people who remind me of arguably the greatest
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: baseball player of all time, I think I'm gonna have
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to go with heinz Ward. Yeah, okay, so he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: actually the first one that popped into my mind. My
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  Speaker 1: honorable mentions are Polo Malu and James Harrison. Ah with Heines,
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  Speaker 1: though the reason I went with him was because of
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  Speaker 1: his hustle. He, like Pete, was not the most gifted
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  Speaker 1: athlete by any stretch of the imagination. He wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: biggest or tallest wide receiver, he wasn't the fastest, but
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  Speaker 1: by God, the man was tough, and you know from
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  Speaker 1: that smile that he always had. He really loved playing football,
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  Speaker 1: just like Pete Rose loved playing baseball, And you could
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  Speaker 1: make a highlight reel of heines Ward and never show
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  Speaker 1: him making a catch. It would just be blocking and hits,
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  Speaker 1: and the same thing with Pete Rose. Pete Rose's most
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  Speaker 1: famous play isn't even a hit, even though he had
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  Speaker 1: more of them than anyone else in the history of baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Pete Rose's single most famous play is that nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: All Star game I mentioned where he.
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  Speaker 4: Was.
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  Speaker 1: He was the base runner, so he went from first
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  Speaker 1: base to home on a bass hit to bowl over
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  Speaker 1: the catcher Ray Fosse. So I feel like that's why
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  Speaker 1: I have to go with heines Ward. And much like
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  Speaker 1: Pete Rose, heines Ward is not in the Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Fame for his respective sport, albeit for different reasons, but
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  Speaker 1: just oddly enough, I think that's another travesty as well,
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  Speaker 1: since I do think that hines Ward belongs in the
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Yeah, so yeah, I agree, he'd be
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  Speaker 1: my pick.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, do you think?
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  Speaker 4: How do you think? Like heines is the guy that
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  Speaker 4: I always kind of felt like.
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  Speaker 5: It's just a weird reason why he's not in the
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  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, And maybe it's just because there's so
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  Speaker 5: many people that are so focused on stats, because.
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  Speaker 4: There's never a better.
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  Speaker 3: Like a blocking wide receiver ever in the whole entire
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  Speaker 3: NFL than heines Ward. And he was a wide receiver one.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't just some guy that you signed.
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  Speaker 4: A decent tracked him, but he was a wide receiver one.
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  Speaker 3: So do you do you feel about maybe what's kind
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  Speaker 3: of holding him back.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is the stats that
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned.
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  Speaker 1: He was never, you know, had the most touchdowns, He
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  Speaker 1: never had the most receptions or the most yards. I
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  Speaker 1: think he had a thousand receptions exactly. I might be
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  Speaker 1: wrong about that sounds.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's one of those guys that we've actually
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  Speaker 1: seen the arguments made about this for Big Ben as well,
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  Speaker 1: that he was never the best in a single season
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  Speaker 1: at his position, which I kind of understand. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, like you said, there's there's more than
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  Speaker 1: meets the eye too. I mean, how do you how
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  Speaker 1: do you put a guy that's on the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame? Right, you don't have stats
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  Speaker 1: to go on the other thing, I think that hurts
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  Speaker 1: Hines two is just the timing when you look at
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  Speaker 1: other receivers who have come up for induction at the
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  Speaker 1: same time or who become.
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  Speaker 2: Eligible each year that he's not put in.
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  Speaker 1: So you got I think, not Marvin Harrison to like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he's got in the Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 1: but like someone like Reggie Wayne's name comes up. And
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  Speaker 1: when you ask the average fan or the average writer
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  Speaker 1: who's got a vote, well, who do you think was
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  Speaker 1: the better wide receiver? Heines, Warner, Reggie Wayne, most people
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  Speaker 1: are probably gonna say someone like Reggie Wayne. Then you
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  Speaker 1: got the guys from the Greatest Show on Turf. You've
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  Speaker 1: got Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt kind of the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately for Hines, as we continue to move towards
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  Speaker 1: a more past happy league, the further we keep going,
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  Speaker 1: the less likely I think it is as these other
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  Speaker 1: new names continue to crop up. Yeah, so I hate
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  Speaker 1: to say this because I don't think it's right, but
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  Speaker 1: I think Hines Ward if I had to put money down,
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  Speaker 1: I'll say, and I guess I shouldn't talk about putting
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  Speaker 1: money down on the Pete Rose talk, but he would
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  Speaker 1: probably get in. He would probably get in as one
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  Speaker 1: of the senior vote ins, one of those guys who
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  Speaker 1: gets put in what kind of the same way Dick
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  Speaker 1: Lebo got put in years and years after they were eligible,
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  Speaker 1: but the Senior Committee voted them in. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: just think that's his most likely path at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Big Ben will get into the Hall of Fame before
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  Speaker 1: Heinzward most.
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  Speaker 3: Assuredly, Yeah. Do you think with Pete Rose passing.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously that leads to new flood of emotions with people.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that they're going to vote him in
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  Speaker 4: now that he's gone?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they still don't have Shueless Joe in the
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and I don't know if any of the
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  Speaker 1: other Black Sox were even good enough to be in
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  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, but they're all banned. And frankly,
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  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame could have put him in at
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  Speaker 1: any time because it's separate from Major League Baseball.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it would have been nice if they
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  Speaker 1: were going to put him in to do it while.
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  Speaker 2: He was still alive.
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  Speaker 1: It's obvious when the guy's approaching eighty that he's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna live forever. So I feel like if they were
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  Speaker 1: going to change their mind.
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  Speaker 2: They would have already.
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  Speaker 1: But baseball and those baseball purists are some of the
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  Speaker 1: most insufferable people, even taking Pete Rose out of the equation.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at all the unwritten rules and all
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  Speaker 1: the things that they value is important, They're just they're
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  Speaker 1: an insufferable group.
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  Speaker 2: A good example of that is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe there's ever been a unanimous first ballot
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer ever.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Griffy I think was one vote.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly where I was going with that. Someone
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  Speaker 1: like Ken Griffy Junior, who was his career in Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 1: for example, was not what anyone would have liked it
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  Speaker 1: to have been, especially as Reds fans. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: in an era where steroids dominated, that man clearly wasn't
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  Speaker 1: using the steroids.
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  Speaker 2: Still was arguably the.
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  Speaker 1: Best pure hitter of his generation. And the fact that
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  Speaker 1: some guy with a stick up his butt wouldn't give
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  Speaker 1: him the votes to make an unanimous I think that
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  Speaker 1: kind of says everything you need to know. Do I
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  Speaker 1: think I think he should be in for what it's worth.
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  Speaker 1: I just I just don't think they'll put him in.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you brought up unwritten rules, not a big fan.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: You hit our batter last season, so this first game
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  Speaker 1: of the next season, we remembered that for six months,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna be you, all right. Was there anything
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  Speaker 1: else you wanted to talk about before we signed.
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  Speaker 2: Off for the night?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't think so. All right.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about.
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  Speaker 1: Quite a bit tonight, more than usual, at least with
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  Speaker 1: the Davante Adams and Pete Rose.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a good talk.
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  Speaker 1: I really hope that when we come back next week,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the Steelers bouncing back with a win
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  Speaker 1: against the historic rival, the Dallas Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: But who knows, we'll see, all right.
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  Speaker 1: For the world famous accountant Eric Vamnschottin, I'm Nick Detulio
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  Speaker 1: and this has been another episode of the GameHouse dot
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