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The Kenny Report | 24 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Our energy crisis takes us close to the edge on
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  Speaker 3: electricity supplies and keeps the upward pressure on prices. What
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  Speaker 3: our labor, the Greens, and the tills doing to us?
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  Speaker 3: Joe Biden has been seen. He's back in the White
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  Speaker 3: House ready to address the nation tomorrow. And as for
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  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, she's riding high.
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  Speaker 1: But how long will that last?
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  Speaker 3: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin net Yahoo is in Washington too,
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  Speaker 3: and Harris and others are shunning him.
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  Speaker 1: I'll have more on that.
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  Speaker 3: As well, plus social media for kids and alcohol for adults.
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  Speaker 1: How much damage do they do? All that?
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  Speaker 3: Plus lots more with the Wednesday wrangle, including a new
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  Speaker 3: push for the government to market cannabis.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: I keep telling you about our energy crists, our scandalous
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  Speaker 3: national energy self harm and more. Revelations today show how
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  Speaker 3: bad it's getting. And it's all because of government decisions,
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  Speaker 3: state and federal labor and liberal Over many years, they've
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  Speaker 3: turned our energy rich nation into an energy basket case
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  Speaker 3: where to push renewables means energy costs too much and
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  Speaker 3: we don't have enough of it. Of course, the latest
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  Speaker 3: quarterly dynamics report from the Energy Market Operator shows how
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  Speaker 3: close we came to running out of electricity. Last month,
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  Speaker 3: wind generation was down twenty percent because there was less wind.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you get, hey, and lower rainfall saw hydro
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  Speaker 3: electricity drop by eighteen percent. So we got by with
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  Speaker 3: using a bit more qualified power and a lot more
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  Speaker 3: gas generation up sixteen percent, But we use so much
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  Speaker 3: gas that supplies got very tight. Wait till we get
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  Speaker 3: peak electricity demand with some heat wave or a really
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  Speaker 3: long and cold winter. This energy crisis is unforgivable in
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  Speaker 3: a country that's a leading world exporter of coal, gas
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  Speaker 3: and uranium. Even the renewable energy true believers have had
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  Speaker 3: to admit we're on the brink.
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  Speaker 4: Wind and son are driven by the weather, and the
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  Speaker 4: weather is not always consistent.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we have to deal with now.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean.
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  Speaker 5: It's not over long periods of time reliable and consistent.
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  Speaker 1: It's just time from time to time. What that means
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  Speaker 1: is we're just got to have the mechanisms to deal
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  Speaker 1: with that.
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  Speaker 3: You don't say, I mean, that's the whole point. The
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  Speaker 3: renewables are unreliable, they're intermittent, and we shouldn't have gone
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  Speaker 3: this far down the renewable path before. We had plenty
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  Speaker 3: of backup generation to keep the lights on.
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  Speaker 1: Batteries can't cut it.
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  Speaker 3: Pumped hydro remains an expensive pipe dream, and green high
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  Speaker 3: has blown up in the government's face. The only proper
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  Speaker 3: backup for renewables is the one that's always been obvious,
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  Speaker 3: gas fired generation.
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  Speaker 1: This is a very dynamic system. We all feel as
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  Speaker 1: though we're a bit too close to the edge.
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  Speaker 2: We do need to get on with building the renewables
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  Speaker 2: and everything else.
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  Speaker 3: We need to make sure we don't feel as though
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  Speaker 3: we're close to the edge when difficult circumstances arise.
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  Speaker 1: Where do we start with that?
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  Speaker 3: Ay, First, we don't want a dynamic system, We need
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  Speaker 3: a reliable one.
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  Speaker 1: And second, we don't want to be close to the edge.
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  Speaker 3: We have a society to run, an economy to run,
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  Speaker 3: and a modern country built on reliable, affordable power. We
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  Speaker 3: don't need zealots playing games with it.
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  Speaker 1: And as for.
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  Speaker 3: Building the renewables and everything else, well, we don't need
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  Speaker 3: more renewables.
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  Speaker 1: They don't always work.
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  Speaker 3: We just heard him admit that sometimes there's not enough wind,
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  Speaker 3: or not enough water in the dams, or not enough sunlight.
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  Speaker 3: We need enough gas to run the whole economy when
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  Speaker 3: there's no sunshining and no wind blowing.
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  Speaker 1: But we don't have enough gas.
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  Speaker 3: The situation is getting so grave that I understand the
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  Speaker 3: new South Wales Labor government is urgently looking at fast
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  Speaker 3: tracking new gas supplies, including from the long standing Santos
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  Speaker 3: project near Narrabrie, which could.
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  Speaker 1: Be brought online within a year.
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  Speaker 3: The new South Wales Energy Minister Penny Sharp recently confirmed
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  Speaker 3: her governments looking forward to new gas projects and is
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  Speaker 3: planning extra storage. And while the federally funded Curry Curry
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  Speaker 3: gas generated plant in the Hunter Valley is underway, I
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  Speaker 3: can reveal too worrying realities about this plant. First, the
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  Speaker 3: project and pipeline design specifications show that it will only
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  Speaker 3: have enough gas in storeage to run for ten hours
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  Speaker 3: before needing a full day to replenish gas stocks. And
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  Speaker 3: because of that, the plans stipulate that when gas is
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  Speaker 3: not available, it'll run on diesel. So they're building two
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  Speaker 3: one point seven five million liter diesel storage tanks.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Curry Curry is being built.
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  Speaker 3: We probably need a dozen other plants like it right
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  Speaker 3: around the country as coal closes down.
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  Speaker 1: But really they've got to be able to run for more.
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  Speaker 3: Than ten hours at a time, otherwise they run the
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  Speaker 3: risk of being as unreliable as the intermittent renewables that
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  Speaker 3: they're here.
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  Speaker 1: To back up.
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  Speaker 3: The Opposition leader Peter Dutton, spooking his medium term nuclear
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  Speaker 3: baseload plan, is quick to point out the folly of
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  Speaker 3: Labour's renewables plus storage fantasy.
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  Speaker 6: We can't continue a situation that Labour has us on
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  Speaker 6: of renewables only policy because as we know, if power
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  Speaker 6: prices are just going to keep going up under this
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  Speaker 6: prime minister, we also know that we're going to see
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  Speaker 6: blackouts and brownouts. Australia needs to take the decision that
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  Speaker 6: is right for our country and nuclear energy, along with renewables,
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  Speaker 6: along with gas is absolutely the answer for our country
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  Speaker 6: and we will fight for our country's best interests.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair enough, surely a plan based on reality. But
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  Speaker 3: the current Minister for Climate and Energy, Blackout Bowen, well
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  Speaker 3: he's still in La la land. He's disingenuously claimed that
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  Speaker 3: his government is delivering reliable, affordable energy and he claims
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  Speaker 3: that the coalition's nuclear plan is risky and expensive. Now,
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  Speaker 3: whatever we do now is going to be expensive. We
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  Speaker 3: can't avoid that thanks to the reckless experiment on renewables.
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  Speaker 3: But Labour's plan will cost a thousand billion dollars and
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  Speaker 3: by all accounts, still won't work. The nuclear plan is
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  Speaker 3: likely to cost about one tenth of that, and we
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  Speaker 3: know it will work because it's working in dozens of
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  Speaker 3: the most successful countries on the planet. In the United States,
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  Speaker 3: there's so much happening and so much more about to unfold,
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  Speaker 3: so let's try to track it and predict a bit more. Firstly,
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  Speaker 3: the President, Joe Biden, he's been seen again. He's returned
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  Speaker 3: to Washington.
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  Speaker 2: When will your magin be tomorrow?
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  Speaker 1: Name well, will You're magic be tomorrow? Name Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Joe Biden's back at the White House, but we haven't
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  Speaker 3: heard from him yet. Stay tuned, though, because tomorrow morning,
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  Speaker 3: our time, the President will deliver and address to the
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  Speaker 3: nation from the Oval Office. See it here live on
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  Speaker 3: sky at ten o'clock tomorrow morning. No doubt the President
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  Speaker 3: will explain why he withdrew from the contest. He'll try
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  Speaker 3: to claim he's achieved a lot as president and he'll
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  Speaker 3: make a pitch for his Vice President Kamala Harris. But again,
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  Speaker 3: if Biden really rated her, he'd tell the nation he
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  Speaker 3: was resigning and hand over to.
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  Speaker 1: Her this week.
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  Speaker 3: Now Harris is, of course the person of the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Life has never been better for her, and are.
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  Speaker 7: We ready to fight for it? And when we fight when?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 3: Already enough delegates have pledged to endorse the Vice president
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  Speaker 3: at the party's convention next month to make her the candidate.
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  Speaker 3: No alternative candidate has put up their hand, and one
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  Speaker 3: national poll has Harris favored by a couple of points
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  Speaker 3: over Donald Trump, and a raft of senior Democrats are
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  Speaker 3: singing her praises. I have seen a surge of enthusiasm
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  Speaker 3: from every corner of our party uniting behind Vice President Harris.
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  Speaker 8: Kamala Harris and her candidacy has excited and energized the
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  Speaker 8: House Democratic Caucus, the Democratic Party, and the nation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the zeitgeist is with the Vice President. That's undeniable,
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  Speaker 3: and that's as you'd expect. She's new, she's campaigning to
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  Speaker 3: be the first female president, and suddenly the campaign's not
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  Speaker 3: a contest between two men in their eighties.
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  Speaker 9: Do we want to live in a country of freedom, compassion,
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  Speaker 9: and rule of law or a country of chaos, fear
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  Speaker 9: and hate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Democrats in the blinking of an eye
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  Speaker 3: have gone from dismissing age as they've defended Biden to
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  Speaker 3: arguing that Trump is too old to return to the
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  Speaker 3: White House. This wave of support for Harris is entirely
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  Speaker 3: to be expected. The big question is how long it lasts.
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  Speaker 3: Can the Democrats ride the enthusiasm all the way to November,
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  Speaker 3: or will voters get a good look at Harris's record
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  Speaker 3: and see what the vice president is really like.
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  Speaker 9: I am Kamala Harris. My punouns are she of her.
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  Speaker 9: I'm a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Harris loves a bit of identity politics. I mean
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  Speaker 3: I've shown you those Identity politics helped her get the job.
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  Speaker 3: I told you I was going to have a smart
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  Speaker 3: vice president, an African American woman.
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  Speaker 1: We got one, and I'm honored to be with all
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  Speaker 1: of you tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Harris's one serious assignment as vice president was to tackle
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  Speaker 3: the border crisis, and she failed abysmally, with the Biden
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  Speaker 3: administration completely losing control of the Mexican border. Elsewhere She's
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  Speaker 3: made news for gaffs like confusing North Korea and South
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  Speaker 3: career or laughing at inappropriate moments. Harris is further to
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  Speaker 3: the left than Biden, and she's been deeply unimpressive. The
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  Speaker 3: Vice President might take it up to Trump all the way,
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  Speaker 3: but I think it's more likely that people will soon
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  Speaker 3: figure her out. I mean, we've been on too her
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  Speaker 3: right here on this program for years. Remember a while back,
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  Speaker 3: I showed you how one of Vice President Kamala Harris's
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  Speaker 3: favorite phrases was often on repeat.
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  Speaker 9: I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
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  Speaker 9: what has been? You know, what can be unburdened by
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  Speaker 9: what has been? What can be unburdened by what has been?
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  Speaker 10: What can be unburdened by what has been? What can
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  Speaker 10: be unburdened by what has been? What we can see,
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  Speaker 10: what we believe can be unburdened by what has been?
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  Speaker 10: What can be unburdened by what has been?
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  Speaker 9: What can be unburdened by what has been?
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  Speaker 3: Well at apecked today, she didn't even bother coming up
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  Speaker 3: with anything new.
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  Speaker 9: Innovation is about our ability to see what can be
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  Speaker 9: unburdened by what has been.
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  Speaker 3: I really wish I could see where the US is going,
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  Speaker 3: unburdened by seeing what has been.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, I've often argued that the risks of Harris
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  Speaker 3: were the only reason to hope that.
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  Speaker 1: Biden lasted the distance. As long as they keep.
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  Speaker 3: Joe Biden upright, Kamala Harris can't step into the job,
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  Speaker 3: which is some relief.
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  Speaker 1: Have listened to her latest.
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  Speaker 9: Electricity from wind and solar farms in the Arizona Desert
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  Speaker 9: delivered to people millions of miles away potentially well, certainly
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  Speaker 9: thousands of miles away. A bit of a time there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, once again, the vice president was a million miles
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  Speaker 3: off target. Her comments are often as vague and meaningless
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  Speaker 3: as the president sin. She's more than two decades younger.
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  Speaker 9: For us at every moment in time, and certainly this one,
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  Speaker 9: to see the moment in time in which we exist
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  Speaker 9: and are present, and to be able to contextualize it,
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  Speaker 9: to understand where we exist in the history and in
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  Speaker 9: the moment as it relates not only to the past
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  Speaker 9: but the future.
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  Speaker 1: In the moment, in this paradigm, this moment in time.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, I mean it's her moment, at the moment I
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  Speaker 3: hope she's understanding the moment and contextualizing it as she
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  Speaker 3: tries to take the candidacy for the Democratic Party. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: as you can see, I know Johnny cum lately to
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  Speaker 3: Kamala harris skepticism. She's been a hopeless vice president and
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  Speaker 3: the Democrats must really have their hearts in their mouths Now, first,
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  Speaker 3: let me just share with you some more of the
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  Speaker 3: wisdom we often get from the Vice President of the
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  Speaker 3: United States of America. Here is Kamala Harris's insight on transport.
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  Speaker 9: And I again want to thank the Secretary for your work.
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  Speaker 9: This issue of transportation is fundamentally about just making sure
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  Speaker 9: that people have the ability to get where they need
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  Speaker 9: to go.
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  Speaker 3: It's that basic transport is about getting where you need
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  Speaker 3: to go.
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  Speaker 1: Where would we be without her?
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  Speaker 3: Just a hint of the madness to come. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: most of the world's just getting to know her. We've
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  Speaker 3: had a head start here.
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  Speaker 1: There's also the issue of authenticity.
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  Speaker 3: Harris comes across often as a fake, and that was
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  Speaker 3: never more obvious than an event that she filmed supposedly
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  Speaker 3: chatting with eager young kids, but they.
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  Speaker 1: Turned out to be child actors.
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  Speaker 9: Never let anybody suggest to you that you are what
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  Speaker 9: they think you should mean. You tell them who you
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  Speaker 9: are and who you know you are and what you
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  Speaker 9: intend to be.
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  Speaker 1: Got that, But they were being told who to be.
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  Speaker 3: They were actors pretending to hang on to her every word.
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  Speaker 1: Hilarious stuff.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, it's often been difficult telling the difference between
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  Speaker 3: the real Vice President and the sitcom veep.
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  Speaker 9: When we talk about the children of the community, they
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  Speaker 9: are a children of the community.
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  Speaker 11: Well, we are the United States of America, because we
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  Speaker 11: are united and we are states.
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  Speaker 9: I'm talking about the significance of the passage of time, right,
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  Speaker 9: the significance of the passage of time. So when you
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  Speaker 9: think about it, there is great significance to the passage
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  Speaker 9: of time.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever we have in store.
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  Speaker 11: Cannot be known. The past was once the future, the
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  Speaker 11: future is, i should say unknown.
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  Speaker 9: We've got to take this stuff seriously as seriously as
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  Speaker 9: you are, because you have been forced to have to
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  Speaker 9: take it seriously.
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  Speaker 11: Well, b City is a serious disease and it needs
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  Speaker 11: to be taken seriously.
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  Speaker 12: You need to get to go.
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  Speaker 9: I need to be able to get where you need
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  Speaker 9: to go to do the work and get home.
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  Speaker 11: I hope that clarifies the issue.
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  Speaker 3: Dear Idea, this is going to be fun to watch
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  Speaker 3: as Kamala Harris attempts to seize the burden of the presidency,
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  Speaker 3: unburdened by her unimpressive past. Now, as you know, the
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  Speaker 3: Olympics are almost with us, and the media rights are
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  Speaker 3: always tightly held. This time it's nine Media hosting the
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  Speaker 3: games on television and radio, but there are gaps in
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  Speaker 3: their radio network, so ABC Radio has got the rights
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  Speaker 3: in some areas on the ABC for providing that service.
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  Speaker 3: And as you'd expect, they're sending mainly sports broadcasters to Paris,
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  Speaker 3: including the great Bruce mcavanny. But there is one decision
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  Speaker 3: from local ABC Radio in Adelaide that's raised a few eyebrows.
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  Speaker 3: They're sending their two regular morning hosts to broadcast their
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  Speaker 3: Adelaide breakfast radio program live from late night Paris.
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  Speaker 13: To our last five thirty club for this week as
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  Speaker 13: Spence takes over tomorrow, just while we travel and head
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  Speaker 13: off to Paris.
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  Speaker 3: Even on the radio station's listeners Facebook page, fans have
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  Speaker 3: suggested this is an unjustified use of taxpayers dollars. One
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  Speaker 3: listener said breakfast programming is supposed to be about local
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  Speaker 3: content and the program can't even tour around the state
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  Speaker 3: because it's too expensive, but it can find the extra
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  Speaker 3: dollars to swam off to something totally unrelated to an
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  Speaker 3: thing they do. Another listener said it was completely unnecessary,
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  Speaker 3: while one more called for calm, saying it was a
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  Speaker 3: strange decision, but to hold back on the nastiness. Look,
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  Speaker 3: the ABC is always asking for more money. The new chair,
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  Speaker 3: Kim Williams, made a pitch only weeks ago, but hosting
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  Speaker 3: Adelaide Breakfast Radio from Paris. That hardly sounds like a
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  Speaker 3: responsible use of our tax dollars, does it. But then,
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  Speaker 3: as you know, it's not our ABC, it's their ABC.
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  Speaker 3: As I mentioned, Joe Biden is back in Washington, DC.
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  Speaker 3: He's catching forty winks as we speak ahead of his
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  Speaker 3: address to the nation tomorrow morning our time.
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  Speaker 1: See it here on sky.
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  Speaker 3: At ten o'clock, I caught up with Trudy Macintosh outside
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  Speaker 3: the White House.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, the lights are on as you can see, and
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  Speaker 14: there's somebody home. It's the first time we've been able
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  Speaker 14: to say that in more than six days. He'd been
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  Speaker 14: in Delaware trying to recover from COVID. He got the
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  Speaker 14: doctors all clear this morning, and he came back here
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  Speaker 14: to the White House. But as you say, apart from
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  Speaker 14: seeing him as he came off the plane, they through
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  Speaker 14: a few questions to him. He wasn't that forthcoming, I'd
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  Speaker 14: have to say. But we haven't seen much of him
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  Speaker 14: at all. But that's going to change tomorrow night, primetime
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  Speaker 14: address here in America to the people, explaining in his
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  Speaker 14: own words why he's dropping out of the race. And
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  Speaker 14: I think that's crucial in the sense that we only
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  Speaker 14: saw a written statement. We know how stubborn he had
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  Speaker 14: been up until that point. He didn't believe senior Democrats
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  Speaker 14: when they told him that he wasn't going to win
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  Speaker 14: this race. So fascinating for him to try and craft
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  Speaker 14: his message in the next to about twenty three hours
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  Speaker 14: or so, to figure out what he wants to tell
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  Speaker 14: the American people and how does he shape his legacy
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  Speaker 14: now with six months left to go in office.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be fascinating and important.
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  Speaker 3: As you're saying, this is the way we perhaps all
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  Speaker 3: expected to hear this news, not from a tweet, so belatedly,
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  Speaker 3: he'll address the nation, which is not only important for
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  Speaker 3: his explanation and his legacy, but of course very important
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  Speaker 3: for Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 2: What he's got to.
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  Speaker 3: Say about her and to frame her as the nominee
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  Speaker 3: is going to be crucial in terms of her campaigning,
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  Speaker 3: which is off to a great start.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: She's getting lots of support and endorsements.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: In fact, one pole has got her two percent ahead
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: of Donald Trump at the moment.
• 20:17
  Speaker 14: Yeah, in the margin of area, but you'd have to
• 20:19
  Speaker 14: be happy with that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: From the Karmala Harris campaign, you.
• 20:22
  Speaker 14: Can feel the energy. There had just been this real mood,
• 20:26
  Speaker 14: a bit of depression really amongst Democrats about their fate
• 20:29
  Speaker 14: under Joe Biden and that they had no control over it.
• 20:32
  Speaker 14: Whilst they were pushing him to go unless he decided
• 20:35
  Speaker 14: to agree to that, which now he has. That they
• 20:37
  Speaker 14: were in a really dire position, and now that she's
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: at the top of the ticket, I think she surprised
• 20:41
  Speaker 14: a few people, even her Republican critics, about how she's
• 20:44
  Speaker 14: been able to get out there so quickly. Big money
• 20:47
  Speaker 14: coming in for Kamala Harris. That was always going to
• 20:49
  Speaker 14: come in at the end. Democrats are always going to
• 20:50
  Speaker 14: come home with the money and the volunteers that are there.
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: There is a real energy it seems out there, the
• 20:56
  Speaker 14: fact that they're spinning that this is the biggest crowd.
• 20:59
  Speaker 14: I thought crowds it didn't matter once upon a time
• 21:01
  Speaker 14: when Trump was talking about them. But the Democrat campaign
• 21:04
  Speaker 14: briefing out that this is the biggest campaign crowd we've
• 21:06
  Speaker 14: seen for Kamala Harris today and this is just the start.
• 21:09
  Speaker 14: What does that say about Joe Biden though? And seriously,
• 21:11
  Speaker 14: how terminal things were that he couldn't get three thousand
• 21:14
  Speaker 14: people was the number today? He couldn't get that up
• 21:17
  Speaker 14: until this point in the Campaign's pretty remarkable.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Trudy. So many things have flipped around.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: It's not only the Democrat attitude to the crowds.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It's also the age issue.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: The Democrats are now saying that Donald Trump is too
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: old to be a nominee for the presidency. But let's
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: go to Kamala Harris and have a look at what
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: she said about Donald Trump, because she said a pretty
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: full on attack.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Before I was.
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: Elected Vice president, before I was elected the United States Senator,
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: I was elected attorney general of the state of California,
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: and I was a courtroom prosecutor before them, and end
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: of those rules, I took on perpetrators of all kinds,
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: predators who abused women, fraudsters who ripped off consumers, cheeters
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: who broke.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: The rules for.
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: Their own game.
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: So hear me when I say I know Donald Trump's tape.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: That is a very aggressive attack, truty, and we know
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: that normally Donald Trump will respond to aggression with even
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: more aggression. But he's going to have to be careful
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: how he handles a female candidate who's running high on
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: public sentiment at the moment.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: But don't forget, he's.
• 22:38
  Speaker 14: Had a read run before it a popular ish a
• 22:42
  Speaker 14: Democrat female in Hillary Clinton, and those hardline attacks he
• 22:45
  Speaker 14: took it her worked in the end, so he does
• 22:48
  Speaker 14: have a playbook to run against a Democrat female opponent.
• 22:52
  Speaker 14: I think for Kamala Harris, the interesting thing is she's
• 22:54
  Speaker 14: found her feet when she can talk about herself and
• 22:57
  Speaker 14: her record and her past. It reminds me of the
• 22:59
  Speaker 14: Karmala that you saw in the primary campaign against Joe
• 23:02
  Speaker 14: Biden when she was on that crowded stage of Democrats
• 23:05
  Speaker 14: taking aim at him personally, and that was an incredibly
• 23:08
  Speaker 14: big moment that blew her up on the national stage.
• 23:11
  Speaker 14: I think she struggled when she was trying to talk
• 23:13
  Speaker 14: about the vice president's did a really difficult job. Isn't
• 23:16
  Speaker 14: it a job basically with nothing to do, and that
• 23:18
  Speaker 14: you expect to go around the country and campaign on
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: behalf of somebody else. So now she's campaigning on behalf
• 23:24
  Speaker 14: of herself and her record. Expect to hear more of that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: Contrast if I'm a prosecutor going up against a convicted
• 23:29
  Speaker 14: felon in Donald Trump, and.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Just quickly Trudy I was saying on the show last night,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: the Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle was for the high jump.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I thought it might take a little while, but she's
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: gone already.
• 23:42
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I thought she would have gone yesterday. To be honest,
• 23:44
  Speaker 14: they watched all five hours of that congressional hearing, and
• 23:47
  Speaker 14: it was just flabbergasting to see one by one Republican
• 23:51
  Speaker 14: Democrat line up for five minutes to take questions at
• 23:54
  Speaker 14: her lengthy statements telling her to resign, and she just
• 23:58
  Speaker 14: stood there and answered almost nothing, in stonewalled. It took
• 24:01
  Speaker 14: a day for her to go. I'm surprised it wasn't quicker,
• 24:04
  Speaker 14: to be honest, because it was a pretty dismal performance.
• 24:06
  Speaker 14: She couldn't even say yesterday, if mister Trump had died,
• 24:09
  Speaker 14: would you resign? She couldn't even say that. Here we
• 24:12
  Speaker 14: are twenty four hours later, all for nothing. Now the
• 24:14
  Speaker 14: Secret Service will have to have a new director at
• 24:17
  Speaker 14: a time of unprecedented security concern about these candidates and
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: ensuring they are safe when they're at these crucial campaign events.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, thanks so much for joining us again. True to
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: another big day for you tomorrow.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Chris.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Fascinating times. Just so I'll keep reminding you. Ten o'clock
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: tomorrow morning. Here on Sky News you can see that
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: address from Joe Biden Live. Let's go to Queensland now
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: and catch up with One Nation leader Pauline Hansen. She's
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: on the Fraser Coast in regional Queensland. Good to see you, Pauline.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I've got to talk to you about energy and just
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: how close to the brink we're going and how energy prices.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Are therefore going up.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: There's always an excuse for this from the authorities and governments.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: One minute, this you Ukraine war. Next minute it's the
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: wind stopped blowing or whatever. But it's unavoidable that the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: prices went up most in the States where they rely
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: a lot on renewables. In Queensland, where you are at
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: the moment where they have less reliance on renewables and
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: more coal fired gas, prices didn't go up as much.
• 25:19
  Speaker 15: That's right, christ And I'll tell you something, doesn't it
• 25:22
  Speaker 15: especially in South Australia where they don't only have the
• 25:25
  Speaker 15: solar and wind, which it can range from variants from
• 25:28
  Speaker 15: eighteen to thirty two percent, that you will actually get
• 25:31
  Speaker 15: power from wind and solar most of the time it's
• 25:33
  Speaker 15: propped up by gas. And the same with Tasmania. They
• 25:36
  Speaker 15: don't always have that the good power down there, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 15: of course their prices are quite expensive as well, so
• 25:43
  Speaker 15: it is reliant on the coal fire power station having Queensland,
• 25:46
  Speaker 15: but power bills have gone up about twenty three percent
• 25:51
  Speaker 15: in this last year.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: Now the government's going on just tell people this.
• 25:55
  Speaker 15: The government's going on saying that well, the cost of
• 25:59
  Speaker 15: wholesale prices retail prices in electricity has actually gone down
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: or sence the Coalition has been in government holds our
• 26:06
  Speaker 15: prices only equate to about thirty percent of your bill.
• 26:09
  Speaker 15: The rest of these seventy percent is why your electricity
• 26:12
  Speaker 15: is going up. Because the change to sol and win
• 26:14
  Speaker 15: the transmission lines, the regulations, their cost of putting in.
• 26:18
  Speaker 15: Retailers are doing it tough at the moment. So there's
• 26:21
  Speaker 15: no way in the wide world is this government going
• 26:23
  Speaker 15: to get your power bills down to two hundred less
• 26:26
  Speaker 15: two hundred and seventy five dollars a year. But twenty
• 26:28
  Speaker 15: twenty five, it can't happen. It won't happen. So if
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: we keep heading down this path without a diversity of power,
• 26:34
  Speaker 15: our power bills are going to keep going up, and
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: the retailers have to start putting prices up because they're
• 26:39
  Speaker 15: not making any money.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Out of it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the transmission costs are just going to keep escalating
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: under the renewables plan.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: But the one thing we need, no matter what happens.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: That is whether we go to a nuclear longer term
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: or whether this renewables pusher continues under labor, we need
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: more gas generation to fill in the gaps. That's always
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: going to be the case, and it seems like some
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: labor governments, including in New South Wales, are starting to
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: wake up to that that have been styming and criticizing
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: gas projects for a long time.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: They realize, actually, we've got a lot of gas.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: We've got to start actually exploiting it for domestic purposes.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: So we've got enough and the price is lower.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 27:21
  Speaker 15: So we're exporting so much gas, and I said, I've
• 27:24
  Speaker 15: been on about this, that we are not getting paid
• 27:26
  Speaker 15: for our gas that we have.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: We export more than what Katar does.
• 27:29
  Speaker 15: Qatar exports gas and they get to the tune about
• 27:32
  Speaker 15: twenty six billion dollars a year from the gas. It's
• 27:35
  Speaker 15: only now in the last couple of years that we're
• 27:38
  Speaker 15: making about two point four billion for our gas, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 15: yet we are exporting more than Qatar. We've been given
• 27:44
  Speaker 15: away our gas, We've been giving away our resources and
• 27:47
  Speaker 15: yet we're not getting money from it for the people
• 27:49
  Speaker 15: of Australia. And this has been bad management by our governments.
• 27:53
  Speaker 15: Even the Coalition and also the Labor Party have actually
• 27:57
  Speaker 15: followed down this line because they don't want to lose
• 27:59
  Speaker 15: the investment. What does the investment do if we're losing
• 28:02
  Speaker 15: this amount of money a year. We're actually put ourselves
• 28:05
  Speaker 15: on the back foot and we're not making money out
• 28:07
  Speaker 15: of our resources, which we should have. Chris, I've always
• 28:10
  Speaker 15: said coal fire power stations, the new ones now are
• 28:13
  Speaker 15: ninety percent emissions free. We must keep them going or
• 28:17
  Speaker 15: replace them with a couple who actually keeps going.
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: And in ten years time time, if we have small module.
• 28:25
  Speaker 15: Reactors in and until we can get decent sized ones,
• 28:29
  Speaker 15: then we can actually run it on nuclear until further
• 28:31
  Speaker 15: down the track put in the decent ones. But we
• 28:33
  Speaker 15: have to have bod tests and improven don't waste your
• 28:36
  Speaker 15: money on reactors that actually may not.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: Do the job.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if we really want to exploit our coal,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: then we should be doing all the research in the
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: world into carbon capture and storage and the rest of
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: it to see whether we can use cold But that
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: doesn't seem to be much happening in that space. Just
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: very briefly, you'd be there campaigning over state issues. How
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: are one nation tracking in the state.
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: We're tracking really well, Chris.
• 29:02
  Speaker 15: The poll that came, what's thirteen percent and one of
• 29:04
  Speaker 15: the seat here at Marraborough we're actually tracking about thirty
• 29:08
  Speaker 15: three percent. So people are fed up, they're over labor,
• 29:12
  Speaker 15: they wanted to change. They don't have a lot of
• 29:14
  Speaker 15: confidence in Chris fully, and because he's heading down the
• 29:18
  Speaker 15: track of five percent next to the same as labor policy,
• 29:21
  Speaker 15: he's actually not addressing the real issues with hospitals and
• 29:25
  Speaker 15: ambulance ramping, and he wants a treaty as well, and
• 29:28
  Speaker 15: he's not for nuclear. This is not a man with vision,
• 29:31
  Speaker 15: and that's why we're hoping if we can get the
• 29:33
  Speaker 15: balance of power, that we can actually push them along.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: To really address the issues we will see.
• 29:37
  Speaker 15: See Queenslanders apart from costs of living, a lot of
• 29:40
  Speaker 15: homeless people here as well, Chris, a lot of issues.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: We'll get back into some of those Queensland issues as
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: that election date nears.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Pauline, I appreciate it. Pauline Hanson.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: There one Nation founder and leader joining us from the
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Flinders coastline there in Queensland, the Fraser Island coastline.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I should be saying now after the when I check
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: in on the US again.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: And protest breaking out around the Capitol because Benjamin Netanya
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: who is in town, and also the Greens and others
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: up in arms here about labor and its attitude to
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: the Palestinian issue. Protests have erupted in the United States
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netna, who landed in Washington,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: DC yesterday.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Protest has pulled.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: A flash mob stunt had the Capitol rotunder in red
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: T shirts, sitting on the floor, chanting and clapping and
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: putting pressure on the Biden administration to immediately cease all
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: armed shipments to Israel.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Have Netna Who's address.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: To Congress, Kamala Harris says already announced that she won't
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: preside over or even attend net Who's addressed to Congress tomorrow.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: There's one good reason there, I reckon not to vote
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: for her. Let me bring in Daniel Aggion, President of
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: He joins us live from Melbourne.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: This is pretty disappointing, isn't it, Daniel, that the Prime
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Minister of Israel's going to address Congress and the Vice
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: President herself, let alone others are deciding to effectively boycott it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 12: Well, Chris, it's obviously this is a leader of a
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: country that is a significant ally with the United States.
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: You would have thought that he would be promise who
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: would be accorded the respect of his position and reflective
• 31:34
  Speaker 12: of that warm relationship between Israel and the United States.
• 31:38
  Speaker 12: I will say that on this one occasion I will
• 31:42
  Speaker 12: give Vice President Harris are passed. And the reason is
• 31:47
  Speaker 12: that last week, as we know, she was not the
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: presidential candidate this year. This week she is, and she
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: says she's campaigning. I think in Indianapolis on the day.
• 31:57
  Speaker 12: Look for the moment. Let's take her at a word.
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: The ultimately what happens.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I think you've being far too kind. I think it's
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: political cowardice. And she's bowing to the extreme left of
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: her own party. She is hard left herself, and she's
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: not according the Israeli Prime Minister the respect he deserves.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: It's more important she does it now, given she's going
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: to be the candidate. But there's a lot of this
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: in the Congress. Let's have a listen to what some
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: of them have been saying.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I am not attend.
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: I don't think Benjamin nettaio who has any interest in
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: getting to peace in the Middle East.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, this demonizing of Israel and Netta
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: who continues a pace.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: It's happening in our country, Daniel.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: The New South Wales Labor Party is having its conference
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: this weekend and their expectations there of a lot of
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: protests and there'll probably be a lot of debate about this.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: The Greens are attacking labor, they're saying they're too friendly
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: to Israel and should be bringing more Palestinian refugees into
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: this country. What are your thoughts on those two developments.
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: Well, the Labor government has sort of tried to tread
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: this very careful line and to sort of almost like
• 33:08
  Speaker 12: not offend anybody. And our position on that is Israel
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: is fighting a defensive war. The government has made it
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: clear that Israel has a right to defend itself as
• 33:21
  Speaker 12: it can and it should. So we don't quite we
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: don't quite see why there's why Labour needs to sort
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: of tread this line for fear of not offending one
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: group or another within our community. As to this question
• 33:36
  Speaker 12: of the refugees, I answer it this way, Chris. There
• 33:39
  Speaker 12: are we've seen material about people within Gaza who have
• 33:46
  Speaker 12: actually been brave and courageous enough to protest against the
• 33:52
  Speaker 12: oppression and terrorism of Ramas and say that that is
• 33:57
  Speaker 12: not what they want. Now, they're a very small group
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: and a very small minority, but in consequence of that,
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: they've been attacked, They've been beaten, assaulted within an inch
• 34:06
  Speaker 12: of their life. Now, if a person like that, who
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: is brave enough to stand up to Ramas and say.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: This is not.
• 34:15
  Speaker 12: What is in the interests of the people of Gaza then,
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: and that person sought refugee status within Australia because of
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: fear of a righteal, rightful, fear of oppression and risk
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: to their life from their own government. Dictatorial though it is,
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: and terrorist though it is well. That kind of person
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: I would contend would fit well within the coin in Australia.
• 34:46
  Speaker 12: Understand sort of refuge you would welcome here.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: The worry is that they're vetting, not vetting people so
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: closely enough. The worry is you're bringing people here who
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: could be sympathized as to Hamas. So we shall see you.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Daniel. I appreciate Daniel
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Agie on there. From the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: We've got to get to a break. On the other
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: side of that. We'll talk about, among other things, these
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: plans to restrict social media to teenagers, make sure they
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: don't get access till they're sixteen years of age. Let's
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: get back to this debate about restricting kids' access to
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: social media until they're sixteen years of age. Several mental
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: health groups, including Beyond Blue, have raised some concerns saying
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: teenagers often use social media.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: To connect with each other and access wellbeing resources.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: There's plenty of other issues to work through, though, including
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: how to verify a person's identity and their age.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Is an insight into how it might work.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: This maybe how you log on in the near future.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: It's estimated my age at forty three years old.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Your face and passport scanned before you start social media scrolling.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: There is a ninety nine percent rate.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: The image of me in the document and my own
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: image from the selfie are exactly the same. I hate
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: to think how it would estimate my age. Let me
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: bring in child an adolescent psychologists. Claire Row Live from Sydney.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, Claire.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Where is this going?
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: This debate? There is the technology debate. How do you
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: enforce this? How do you keep six that those younger
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: than sixteen offer? But it is a significant point, isn't
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: it that you don't want to isolate teenagers at the
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: same time you keep them.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Off the worst effects of social media?
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 36:37
  Speaker 13: I still think it was really disappointing that our major
• 36:40
  Speaker 13: mental health groups, government funded mental health groups, you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 13: beyond Blue Luckdog Institute reach out they've all come out
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: and said they're not supporting this ban. Now, the reality is,
• 36:51
  Speaker 13: if you have one child at the moment of social media,
• 36:54
  Speaker 13: they are ostracized because that's where kids hang out. And
• 36:58
  Speaker 13: so that is exactly the problem. We end up handing
• 37:00
  Speaker 13: this over to twelve year olds because everyone else has it.
• 37:04
  Speaker 13: And I get that it's hard to legislate and then enforce,
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: and I get that some kids will still sneak it,
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: and yes, there will be kids in the classroom who
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: still have it, but there will be a hell of
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: a lot of kids who don't, and it will empower
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: parents to be able to say, no, you're not having
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: it at twelve. And the other argument, Chris, that they've
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: made is that we need to help kids navigate this
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: space and parents need to be involved in teaching them
• 37:29
  Speaker 13: to use it responsibly. And I am one million percent
• 37:33
  Speaker 13: for that. But we've been saying that for ten years
• 37:36
  Speaker 13: and it's not happening, and so we are faced with
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: this kind of crossroads.
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  Speaker 12: I think at the moment where.
• 37:42
  Speaker 13: We either keep plugging that education side of things and
• 37:46
  Speaker 13: helping parents talk to their children and having pass codes
• 37:49
  Speaker 13: on things and being aware of what your child's watching
• 37:52
  Speaker 13: or we really say things are deteriorating at a rapid
• 37:56
  Speaker 13: pace and we have to do something. And let's not
• 37:59
  Speaker 13: forget where I'm not talking about banning kids up until
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: the end of school. I really like Whipper's campaign about
• 38:06
  Speaker 13: the thirty six months. That is what we're asking for.
• 38:09
  Speaker 13: We're asking for thirty six more months of childhood. And
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: these kids will be fine at sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, learning
• 38:17
  Speaker 13: how to use social media, their digital natives, they will
• 38:20
  Speaker 13: be fine.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: The more I read about it from Jonathan Height and others,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: and listen to experts like you, the more I think
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: it's the single best thing we can do for our
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: teenage kids is keep them off social media.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So I'm all in favor of it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about adults and some of the threats to
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: our will. Being one of those is alcohol. Congratulations on
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: your new podcast On the Couch with Claire, which you
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: launched this week, and I want to go to a
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: grab from one of your episodes.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: This focuses on alcohol. It's with the.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Sarah Ruspatchan tells us what breaking from alcohol can do
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: for us.
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  Speaker 1: Have a listen.
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  Speaker 16: There are so many benefits to taking a break from
• 39:00
  Speaker 16: alcoholic and we live in a society that just focuses
• 39:02
  Speaker 16: on the negatives that almost going to be boring. All
• 39:04
  Speaker 16: we're going to be able to go out and have
• 39:06
  Speaker 16: fun again. And I am here to say like, oh
• 39:08
  Speaker 16: my goodness, my life has just got richer, more fulfilling,
• 39:12
  Speaker 16: more fun, with more deeper authentic connections since going alcohol free.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Well there, I got to say.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I had a couple of alcoholic drinks at your podcast launch, clear,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: but to tell us a little bit about your podcast
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: and also this particular conversation about alcohol.
• 39:28
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think that conversation with alcohol is really an
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: important one. Particular Sarah Rasspatch does some fabulous work around
• 39:35
  Speaker 13: alcohol and what she calls gray area drinking with women,
• 39:39
  Speaker 13: and it's just become a very normal culture, particularly around mothers,
• 39:47
  Speaker 13: when you know we're having a bad day and the
• 39:48
  Speaker 13: messages go around and suddenly everyone says, well it's nearly
• 39:52
  Speaker 13: one o'clock, don't worry, you don't have a wine, and
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: that's somehow how we get through the day. And yeah,
• 39:59
  Speaker 13: look it's slope And I love that. Sarah says, you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 13: alcohol is not the problem. Alcohol is a solution to
• 40:06
  Speaker 13: a problem. And what she sees in women is about,
• 40:09
  Speaker 13: you know, women who are stressed, bored and they're using
• 40:14
  Speaker 13: alcohol to get through the day. So I love that conversation.
• 40:17
  Speaker 13: And the podcast has a whole range of guests. We've
• 40:20
  Speaker 13: got people of experts internationally and nationally, politics, relationships, education, parenting,
• 40:28
  Speaker 13: people like Senator Nammagem prices on and Yeah, it's fantastic
• 40:33
  Speaker 13: and it drops every Thursday, new episode.
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  Speaker 1: Good stuff. Thanks for joining us, Claire. I appreciate it,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Claire row there.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: It talks a lot of good sense and that's why
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to recommend that podcast on the Council, Claire,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: look it up.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: We've got to get to a break on the other
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: side of it. It's time to Wrangle with Liz Dora
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: and Justin Smith.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about household's facing even more electricity
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: pain and also a body calling for regulation of cannabis
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: supply by government.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Let's get into the wrangle.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: We're joined from Melbourne by Justin Smith and on the
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: desk you with me as ever.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Is Late Debate co host Liz Storer.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: We've got to talk cost of living first to get
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: into other things and may when I start with electricity,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Justin it just there's always an excuse. This time, apparently
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: we didn't have enough wind, and that's why electricity prices
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: have gone up twenty percent.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Well, I think they're also going up because the companies
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: make a lot of money. Every time the prices go up,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: the companies also make money, and had we have not
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: privatized so badly many years ago, then I don't think
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: the prices would be as high as they are right now.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: But I'm thrilled to see that renewables are part of
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: the plan of both sides of politics at the moment,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: including your mate Peter Dutton is including renewables in his plant.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: So now's the time to test them both out. I
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: think you've had both sides you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Heard it from Justin.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Profits are bad, private enterprise is bad.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: The problem, Liz, No, No, do you I feel free
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: to make it much better? Do you think it would
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: be that much better if government who are pushing renewables,
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: which are currently the most expensive form of energy, Do
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: you honestly think it would be better if it were
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: in their hands? Come on, Justin, at least with a
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: few minutes.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Absolutely do.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: If we had stuck with government ownership of energy over
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: all of these years and kept pouring it back into there.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: We would have been in a much better position. And
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: you're happy with the position we're in right now.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: No one is happy with the position that we're in
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: right now. But the lack of call fired power, which
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: we have relied on for decades, is due to government malfeason.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that renewables.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Drought that they're talking about is called weather is unable
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: to store renewable power.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Don't worry about that heart transplant.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: We're gonna finish that heart transplant as lot as soon as.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: The weather chain we get a bit more wind.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I tend to agree with Justin to some degree because
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I think if governments had maintained ownership of all way
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: our electricity assets, they would have just stuck with coal
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: because they wouldn't have gone on some frolic because they
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: would have been scarified when we ran out of power
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: or got these power price increases.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I'm not really sure about that, mane Let me move on.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Next time you agree with me, make sure you push
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: my point, not yours.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: I want to go to another point where I might
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: agree with you, because there's this group suggesting in order
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: to fight crime and your fair state of Victoria.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Perhaps what they ought to do.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Is have the government run the cannabis market. The government
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: can grow the cannabis and sell it to everyone, and
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: then you'd take the criminals out of the equation. Now,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I think I agree with this for a different reason
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: to you, justin I think this is an evil plot
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: because if you want a market to completely fail, get
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: the government to run it. So if they hand over
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: all the drug markets to the government, I reckon.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: You'll never see cannabis smoked again.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: If you want to get if you want to see
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: something really bug it up, get it a government department
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: right behind it.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Now, I think you might be right there, but.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: You could hang on, you just you would run electricity.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: Well, well that was that was the quickest one eighty.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Love that I'm talking of that. I'm not talking drugs now.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: But you could say that about any drug, couldn't you. You
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: could say that the organized crime gangs are making money
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: out of heroin, so let's legalize that. Same with cocaine.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: You could do that about absolutely anything. I think we've
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: got to draw the line somewhere, and the lines clear
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: at the moment, go and ask anyone who's in psychosis
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: from cannabis.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: What they think, well.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: To you, But you think about what they've done to cigarettes. Right,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: They have taxed tobacco so heavily that we now have
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: criminal games running illegal tobacco.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Well, they're making billions of dollars every year off the
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: excise the government is. So it is in the government's
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: it's interest just to legalize this. People are getting their
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: hands on it anyway, And out of all of the
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: drugs on the market, weed is the least of our problems.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Not to mention, were going to ask somebody who's suffering
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: psychosis from cannabis, you go to talk to them about
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: rare justin.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Everyone brings that up every time.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: It is not it is. It is not rare. Credit
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: is not rare. Yes, it is. It is not incredibly rare.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Look at the research on it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: Much rather than be smoking marijuana then shooting up heroin
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: taking cocaine, it is a much better drug.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: We'll finish that conversation over it over a bomb later.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Let's get back to a country that seems to be
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: operating very well, and that is the United States of America,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: the Great Republic. Oh, now, I'm no fan of Kamala
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Haara says, I outlined at the top of the program,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: and I think she'll crash. It's a matter of how
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: well they can run their campaign up till November.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: But you've got to admit.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: This is a pretty fiery and testing and pithy attack
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: on Donald Trump.
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: Cheeters who broke the rules for their own game.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: So hear me when I say I.
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: Know Donald Trump's tape.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a good line doesn't make a campaign.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: But she's away, no, and she can talk.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: She looks like she's just going to walk in as
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: the sole nominee. Not a single person has voted for her.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: The DNC hasn't yet taken place. This is what the
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: Democrats did with Hillary Clinton, It's what they did with
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: the current president, and they're doing it again. They call
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: themselves the defenders of democracy. They do not practice it
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: themselves whatsoever. And her going up character is just laughable
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: when you look at her own record. She was tasked
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: with managing the border crisis. What an abject failure. As
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: a prosecutor. She locked up over fifteen hundred people for
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: smoking marijuana and then laughed about the fact that she
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: has self smokes marijuana. The Democrats are now going very
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: hard on abortion, saying, oh, you know, the Republicans want
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: to ban this, when Trump has said very clearly I
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: am leaving this up to the state. So if any
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: young American woman wants to take that path, the very
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: most she would have to do is cross a state border.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: All they have.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: Is lies, and her going after Donald Trump's character is
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: just laughable, coming from a woman who had an affair
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: with a guy thirty years her senior, who was a
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: married man at the time. So if they want to
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: resurrect Stormy Daniels, whatever they want to bring out on Trump,
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: She's got as much.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I hadn't heard about the affairs.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I'll read all that salacious gossip been coming days and weeks,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I hope. But Liz, your thoughts on Kamala Harris and
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: how will she'll go?
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry this whole gender about you.
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: Can I can do an hour without her drawing breath
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: on commandent?
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I think it's a
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: dead set joke to see people who have been supporters
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: of Trump talking about any political party not believing in democracy.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Let's not forget who Donald Trump is and what Donald
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Trump did after the.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Last election when he refused.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: To accept the result. He was not democratic, could never
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: come what he did at the last election. The way
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: he's love to attack that capital just outrageous for anybody
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: to go after any political party about not being democratic
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: and then support Donald Trump is just a dead center.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Harris is going to be the.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Answer to anything, but it's great to see her having
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: a little bit of energy.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Going to see a little energy in that case, I.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Think she's got more energy than Joe Biden.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: That's not hard at all.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: Cells about the what actually okain.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: We can't we can't.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: We can't reprosecute, we can't reject Liz. We can't reprosecute
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: the October, the January, the sixth debate. Just now, Justin
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: goes with the with the crowd. I reckon that the
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Donald ged them up. But the Donald never said go
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: there or do anything. Certainly, absolutely, we are we We
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: are out of time.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: That is why we wrangle. Thank you very much, Smith
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and Justin Storer.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm Justin. That's Liz.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see you next week. That's all the time
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: we've got for you tonight. I'll be back tomorrow night
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: at five o'clock. Here's Peter Cridlin,