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Athletes Who Manage Their Money, World Cup Media Rights Fees to Soar, Big 12's Little Deal and OSU · Bottom Line on Sports

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: What's up, everybody?
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to yet another episode of the Bottom Line on Sports, our show about the intersection between sports and money.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: He's Jeremy Pink.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm John Jacques Taylor.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: And oh boy, do we have a number for you today?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's 140 million.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: That, my friends, is just about the amount of money.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's your 401k.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's your 401k balance.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was like uh during COVID.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: When it dropped.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I didn't drop 140 million is what?
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that's DeAndre Hopkins career earnings, more or less.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the big time wide receiver, NFL wide receiver.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: But more importantly, he said he's been taking finance, he took finance classes at Clemson once he got into the league, so that he could understand once one, how to manage his money and two, how to take care of his money, so that he didn't have to rely on anybody besides himself to do it.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: While he's got a team, it also allows him to keep an eye on his team.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: And my initial thought is I can't believe more people don't do this.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that the NFL would offer something like that?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and if they did, do you think any of the players would actually use it?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think a few players use it.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: The NFL has a um they got a list of preferred uh agents, I mean financial people.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like these people we vetted out and they have a history of not stealing your money.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: But even so, man, too many, like as a business person, anybody who's in business, especially they tell you, well, here, how about this?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: I've got a client um who's been in business, you know, he's made a I think his business gross is a hundred million a year.
• 1:48
  unknown: Uh-huh.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: And he says he still does all the signs all the checks for his taxes.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: And he signs all the checks for certain stuff that goes out.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Some stuff he he uh delegates, but some certain stuff like the taxes and everything, he said, I sign every check and I look at it, and I've been doing it for 27 years, and I go, Well, don't you have somebody you can do that too?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, Yeah, and that's why I delegate most of it, but these few things right here, I take care of myself, so I can never ever get there, can never be any mistake unless I made it.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: And if I made it, it's not okay, but I can live with it.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think he, you know, I I read I read the piece on him that uh I can't remember where I saw the piece, but I read the piece on him, and he was sort of very self-deprecating and said, I didn't know this stuff.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: I had to go back to school, I had to learn it, and he's managing on his own.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's uh that's sort of that's that's a very admirable thing to do.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I would say that is he's there are few and far between uh athletes who are making that kind of money who are gonna do that.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, you know, the the interesting thing to me is we're talking about a world where now everybody who's become an athlete, you've read the horror stories about people who've lost hundreds of millions and whatever.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: But I tell you, man, it's still crazy.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: There's this series on Twitter, and maybe you've seen it.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it's uh I've seen it a lot.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like a series that people go, here's how their athletes, usually football or basketball.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: Here's how I spent my first million.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: Whether it was a draft pick or whatever, here's how I spent my first million.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just amazing where that first million goes.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: And you can you can you can just off the top of your head just guess where it goes.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: I bought my I bought myself a car.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my mom a house.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: I bought my mom a car, uh-huh, I bought my dad a car, I bought my mom a house, I spent a hundred thousand out jewelry and a hundred, I mean, there's not an appreciable asset in there, except the house that you bought your mom that ain't even in your name.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like it's like I said, if I ever won the lottery, what I would do is I would let it sit for a year and not spend any money.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not even sure I wouldn't, I mean, I would put it in some high yield something.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just be very conservative and say, sit for a year, you know, and that's it.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then after a year, figure out what to do.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, I I think that this becomes even more incumbent now on universities to do this as well, because you have athletes who are earning who are essentially the equivalent of employees of the university or they're getting paid, or however, however it ultimately is going to work.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think that should be required by the universities too.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think there needs to be some sort of system in place to help people who come into this kind of sudden wealth that they can keep it.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, you have you have people who you have athletes who are in college now who are making seven figures a year, and that can meaningfully change the rest of their lives.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: Dude.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Even if, even if you even let's say you're not a you're a really good player, but you're not a superstar.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: If you sign out of high school and they pay you 600 grand for your for your four years that you play, and then you don't go to the league or whatever, you should be able to make you know 2.4 million dollars set you up for you know quite a bit of time if you just use a little bit of sense.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: And and also it's uh you're not gonna make 600 grand uh after you uh graduate from college.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not as a 23-year-old or a 22-year-old, you're you're just not so so I I think it's great for uh DeAndre Hopkins uh to want to go back and educate himself um just so he understands what's going on with his money.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm always curious.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I talk to a lot of players about their money.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just curious why more guys aren't compelled to that.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because you because here's a misnomer.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: Trust me, you can't be dumb and play college and NFL football.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: Totally agreed.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's too complicated, really.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: Totally agree, totally agree.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so if you put the same level of of time investment and understand your money and how your money works, even if that's the only thing you want to study, that would be worth your time the same way you study a playbook or you study a scheme.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: I I agree with that.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: I also think one of the best things about DeAndre Hopkins right now is that he's talking about it.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and that's that's critical because if there are you know models or people who are or or mentors or or examples of people who are doing that and it's paid off for them, both literally and figuratively, yeah, I think that's great.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think he should, if I were him, I would pull together other athletes like him and create something, you know, create some sort of you know, fun not fun, but it's got some sort of organization that they can take that into their own hands and help athletes who are coming up and then they have a place to go.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm not sure that the good is uh in Damakan Sue.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's got like a podcast that talks about money and finance for athletes, uh, which is actually pretty good.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't I didn't even know that.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Now he's well, he was a he was a monster.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: My goodness, he's a great player.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but again, that's good because I think it actually matters that they're not, you know, kind of run of the they're good players.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: DeAndre Hopkins is an amazing receiver.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh Sue is a phenomenal nose tackle.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think it that that really matters.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think the other thing is uh it's great to educate yourself, and that should be number one.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, I've always said because I've talked to players about this, if if you're in the NFL and you don't know what to do with your money, and you're just like, wow, I wish I had some knowledge.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you the only thing you have to do walk over to the quarterback's locker.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now, seriously, and say, hey, uh bro, what do you do with your money?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I guarantee the quarterback is in some conservative, high yield something or other, because you don't hear about quarterbacks going broke very often.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's one thing to do.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're in college trying to figure it out, I would even say during some free time, you walk over to Coach Saban's office.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: Coach Saban, who should I talk to about where to put my money?
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: Or what what suggestions do I have?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have with my money?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: And because most of those guys are doing well.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think in Colorado, Dion will say, find some dirt and buy it.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, buy some land.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I look at it, I look at it this way.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's that that's that's great, and you the it does require some initiative to do that.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: But if you look at now that will bore everybody silly, but if you look at the contributions to 401k plans in the United States, uh that went up when people were forced to opt into it, where they didn't even realize they were contributing to it.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then it increased every single year, you know, as a result of like kind of this automated opt-in.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what universities need to do, is they need to force their students to either take classes or offer some sort of equivalent of a 401k program or do something that forces them to opt in on it.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and we'll take a very quick sidebar.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, one of the great things my mother did because she worked in HR uh when I was in college, uh, she told me with my first job at the morning news, oh, you should get in your 401k and you should max it out.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I was a I was a guy who put 15% in, which is what you could do to max at the time, literally from the time I I got out of the state.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's smart.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's smart.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, until 2016 when I started working for myself.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's just the way I operated.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so for me it was normal.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: But the funny thing is, when I got married to my wife, I said, Hey, what are you doing with your 401k?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: And she was like most people.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: She said, Uh, you know, 4%.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, you mind if I manage that for you?
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, no disposable income next paycheck, right?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: I got that thing up right because at one time she was making a lot less than me, but I had her thing at like 24% or to get it, and she got a check one time after I just like what happened to my check, all right.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: So don't worry about it, baby.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: I've got you covered.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: But that's the right thing, it's it's the right thing to do.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: But but there needs to be some sort of mechanism like that, I think, for the professional players, college players, whether it's an educational thing or a forced investment or something forced that at least gets the money into retirement.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: No, I would I would agree, I would uh go for that.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, bottom line for me, DeAndre Hopkins, go grab some of your boys, and uh, even if you have a sports and money, what do you call it thing, forum, and you tell a bunch of young guys about it, right?
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do that.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Each one, teach one.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely right.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: But I was gonna say the virtually the same thing.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: Bottom line for me, DeAndre Hopkins, keep talking about it, bring other people in to talk about it, and uh that's gonna solve a lot of issues for especially.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm most worried for college athletes who are gonna, you know, they're gonna have that crash is coming in about two or three years.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um let's head to the World Cup.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Tough loss for the U.S.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: got smacked upside the head 4-1 to Belgium.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Game wasn't even really competitive.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was competitive out of the I mean, it may have been competitive, competitive for Spurts, but they were chasing the game the whole time.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, how about this?
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: 42 million people watched it.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like uh it's it's pretty remarkable because the that's kind it's gonna probably be at the level of like an NFL playoff game, you know, and it will be if you look at like the top hundred rated programs or or shows in the United States in any year, usually like 95 or 90 of them or some crazy percentage are NFL games.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: This year there's gonna be a few few uh soccer games, World Cup matches that are gonna be in there.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, they didn't have to win it, but um, you know, they just wasted a huge opportunity in terms of momentum with uh with with such a poor performance.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but that being said, it seems like some people are interested in ponying up some big dollars.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's amazing because for the next ones.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so Fox has the English language rights for it right now, and the there's bidding or there's you know interest in the rights for the World Cup in 2030 and 2034, and the numbers being bandied about are three to four times the amount uh the amount of money that Fox paid for this year's rights.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I I read somewhere, and I think it was in front office sports, that the advertising around the hydration breaks alone is they're making enough money on advertising around the hydration breaks uh breaks alone that that covers their rights fees.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's how that's how much money is being generated by World Cup on TV this year.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because remember, they spent 500 million, right?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: About 500 million for the rights this year.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: This again, this is the English language rights.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: You've got Peacock and I think it's Telemundo have the Spanish language rights.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, they spent 500 million and they're like, oh, that's a drop in the bucket for what we're getting back.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so you know if you spent that much, where the numbers must be going for the next ones, because you know, they've seen what it can do with these kinds of numbers.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing, too, we with that hasn't been talked about enough is I think Fox's coverage has been spectacular.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: I I think it's been I think it's been excellent.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's been spectacular.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think you can find the games easily.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now you can find the games easily, which is number one.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: You can find the games easily.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: They are showing soccer in kind of its purest format.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: They're not you're not seeing not a lot of commercials.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: There's not a lot of commercial the hydration breaks are critical because the hydration breaks are basically forcing ad breaks in the middle of each of the two halves.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Before, if you remember, you have to say they would they would squeeze the picture to a corner and have an ad on the on the side.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: They don't do that anymore, you know.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's a very pure form of soccer that's being uh being produced.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: And they have uh, you know, they have uh the Mike Ferrero equivalent in every game that's ex explaining uh you know the the penalties and and the rules and the officiating, and they have extremely knowledgeable uh they have extremely knowledgeable uh play-by-play and color commentators.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's one of the things that's underappreciated, I think, is that the Fox coverage has been spectacular, in my estimation.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's uh that's probably pretty good.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's probably right because I haven't noticed this, which means it's good.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't notice it, it's it's good.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you were, and as you watch it, and I'm not sure if Fox is actually I think they're taking a world feed, or I think there's one single feed of it.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not 100% sure.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: But but still, I think the uh uh the the the coverage has been spectacular, in my opinion.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm not big on I'm not big on pre- and post-game shows in general, but I like these.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: But but Thierry Henry, who is I I've learned more listening to Terry Henry about soccer in the last three weeks than I than I have in the last six years.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, he's been great.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh, you know, what's his name?
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Zlatan.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Zlatan.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's gotten better.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: He was he was pretty stiff early on.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he's gotten better because it feels like he doesn't care now.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: So now he's just, you know what I'm saying?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's just saying whatever's on his mind, which is great.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then Alexi Lawless, who uh you know, half the audience loves, or maybe half the most of the audience hates.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's really disliked, yeah.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but you need that in TV.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then his back and forth with uh Terry Henry, especially the other day, when they were talking about the uh Argentina game.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: And oh, actually, and that one, and also when they were talking about should Balagoon be uh be allowed to play after the red card, yeah, uh that was pretty good because you could feel the real tenets on the uh on the set without it going overboard.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I I I think that's I think I I didn't see that, but I could I I I'm sure that's that's true.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: The thing I like about Thierry Henry is that when I watch when I watch football, I have a pretty good idea.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm not you know, I'm not a coach by any means, but I can kind of tell what's going on, and I have a pretty good idea, you know, nuts and bolts of the game.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: In in soccer, I don't.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: I have some I have some knowledge, but not a lot.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: And Thierry Henry will point out things that I could have watched that game six times and I would never have seen any of it.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: And he points it out, and it's you know, he points out things that I think are really effective uh for uh studio analysts.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: They point out things that are hidden in plain sight to me as a viewer.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: And he points things out, and you go, oh, of course that's the case, you know.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I never I didn't see it on my own until he pointed it out.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then you can't unsee it.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I think he does an excellent job.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: But it just shows you the interest in the World Cup in the United States is is pretty pretty amazing.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the other thing, the other major benefit outside of the great coverage, I think that Fox has done, um, and I have no ties to Fox.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I just I'm just really I just I I you know I've produced a lot of TV in my life.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say you've produced a lot of TV, so you know what good TV is.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so I and I just I'm like I'm very impressed with their coverage.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing that is very underappreciated is it's in the North American time zone.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, dude, that's huge.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so the games are good times, you know, and it's and it's optimized a lot for the West Coast, too, because West Coast interest in soccer on the West Coast is huge, particularly in the Northwest, and then uh particularly in Northwest and Northern California.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's huge in that area and in Southern California as well.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, so it's optimized, they've really optimized the games as well for viewership.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's been an extraordinarily well done uh World Cup so far.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then we're going to Europe in 2030, which means we'll have that six-hour time difference.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the games are gonna be, you know, and but it's but it's the games are gonna be uh late at night, a lot of them, you know, because it's gonna be optimized for primetime in Europe.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna have 2 30 a.m.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: games, you know.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but it's even now if you look at like the the World Cup finals being played at 3 o'clock Eastern, which is gonna be 9 o'clock in uh most of Europe.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh 9 p.m.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: in most of Europe.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think they said the Belgian folks were were filled up, uh filled up their entire country watching it 2 30 in the morning.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: That game was that game was late.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: So who do you who do you got?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: Who's gonna win?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I think uh I think the French are gonna be hard to beat.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um I would love another French and Argentina final.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: That thing might be 5-4.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Norway is sneaky good because they got the superstar.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh for whatever reason, I don't have any faith in England.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I don't know why I haven't paid much attention to Spain.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Seem like they're having a hard time scoring, or maybe they just play more of a defensive style.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but uh I think for France, uh with their creativity uh and their experience, I like them to win it.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean France has the best players, but I think England has the second best players.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd love to see France and England.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that'd be a war.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that'd be it would be great.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: That would be I think it's been a great tournament in part because for whatever reason, whether they're all in their athletic prime or because you added another layer of teams, and so you've had some bad teams in there or some lesser teams.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's been I think part of the reason this World Cup feels so good is that, and we touched on this once before, is that there's been a lot of goals, relatively speaking.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I can't imagine we've seen any, we've seen like several two-nothing comebacks.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: And before happens, never happened.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say before it seems like two goals, that's a wrap, you'll never score.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so the games have been riveting, but I feel like to me, like they're for the most part, they're playing really attacking soccer.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: They're not sitting back in defensive shelves scared to make a mistake and playing those boring ass uh pass the ball around, never attack midfield games, it suck.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's been it's been real really good soccer, football.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and the superstars are playing phenomenally well.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's except for except for the American superstar.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: But but the superstars are are playing incredibly well.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, somebody, Tyler Twin, what's his name?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler Twyman?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh oh uh uh Twelman, I think Twellman.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: I know who you're talking about, yeah.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: He had a he had the best point that I've seen about uh Christian Polisic on some show I saw him today, and I believe this applies to a lot of athletes, and as fans, you get frustrated.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: And as a journalist, I've been telling people this for years as it relates to certain individual players.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: And he said the problem with Christian Polisic is he doesn't want to be that guy, uh he doesn't want to be the superstar.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: He goes in Milan, he's the third best player.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: And he's incredible because he doesn't feel that pressure and he can just play free.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I said a lot in football.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: The one I say most about, and he's a terrific player, is TD Lamb.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: And they go, CD Lamb needs to do this and do this.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: I said, CeeDee Lamb has shown me no indication that he wants to be the guy on the Cowboys.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like he wants to be a good player, but he doesn't want all the smoke that comes with being the leader, which is fine because everybody's not built like that.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: And apparently, but here's the deal: if you're an organization and you understand that Christian Politic is not built to be that guy, then you gotta set the you gotta set your organization up so that he ain't that guy.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he also the best player.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: He also gets it, he's also like, you know, he's also not very he also gets injured all the time.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't be the guy if you never play.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: And he's got this whole kind of uh just this whole nothing about him says, I want to be the face of the franchise, I want to be the I agree with that.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: And if you ask guys to do that when they're not comfortable doing that or they don't want to do it, it's usually a disaster.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't work.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so what's the bottom line for you?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Bottom line for me is uh I can't believe they're actually gonna think 500 million is like chump change when these next TV ratings or next TV uh um negotiations come around for teams for uh organizations that want to buy into the World Cup.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh bottom line for me, uh sports rights fees, even the World Cup in the United States, are gonna continue to move higher because live events and live sporting events are driving are some of the only events that are driving huge amounts of viewership at a given moment in time.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's the only real thing out there where you don't know the outcome, and it's just it's it's crazy.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well I'm watching.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I assume you're you know watching Dancing with Stars every uh every week or Dancing with the Stars, which I've never seen.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, yeah, uh hey, before we move on, don't forget to subscribe, rate, review.
• 24:06
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• 24:10
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• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, big news.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I was out of town last week in Chicago for a family reunion.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: You look to me like the kind of guy who would love a family reunion every two years.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I you know, I can't think of anything better.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: So when I came back from the family reunion, I didn't realize because I I've been busy with that and doing a little bit of travel that the uh Big 12 media days uh were in Dallas, uh like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday this week.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, or at least Monday and Tuesday.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but anyway, so the big news out of that for me was, and and I was uh anyway, the Big 12 finalized a sponsorship deal with Monster Energy, making it the entitlement partner for football and basketball.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're also getting logos on the court and the field.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it's the Big 12, it's the Monster Energy, Big Ten, I mean Big 12.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: They're getting all this kind of stuff.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it's now me and Pink don't have this kind of money, but it's only$20 million a year, which if you divide it by the club, the teams, they're making like a$1.6 million a year, which it took, I think what is there?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's 16 teams in the Big 12.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so whatever, yeah, yeah, whatever it is.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that sounds basically just north of a million each, right?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Which seems like chump change in today's market.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like, okay, so they get 1.6 million.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: Was that by one defensive end?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh maybe buy yeah, yeah.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe buys you the but it but it also receiver.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: But but it also it also speaks.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, Big 12 day was in Dallas Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday this week.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it was almost impossible to get a flight in because there's a huge deluge of media coming in, right?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because I I we were we were kind of talking about this right before we we taped that I I could name maybe six teams in the big big 12.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the bigger question was how many teams are in the Big 12?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't even know.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's I think there's 16.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I named uh you did well.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: You did well.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but I didn't because I'm in Big 12 country, I should know them all.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you you miss Texas Tech, which I couldn't, you know.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, I didn't know Texas Tech either, but um but no, but you bring up a million dollars is nothing for in in today's NIL world, it's nothing.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: And uh um and so so if it's 20 million dollars for a sponsorship, what it tells you is that college football, like a lot of other businesses, is becoming very much of a winner-take-all environment.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's gonna be 10, 12, 15 teams that are gonna be in the hunt every year, and there's probably only gonna be about five or six who actually have a chance to win it.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: And the only schools in the Big 12 that might have a chance are Texas Tech because they're spending a fortune.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe Arizona, maybe Arizona State, maybe Oklahoma State, but there really isn't maybe BYU, but there isn't really any other team.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: So the value of a sponsorship of those teams isn't that great.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's just not that great.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, because they're not they're gonna get a team in a dance, but but nobody's gonna they're gonna be an underdog every time they play.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, um, Texas Tech, you're right.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: They they should be the class of this league because they're spending more money than anybody.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's a it's a money league, it's a money game.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: But if they're getting 20 million for 16 teams, what what the heck is the SEC?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know these things all follow.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Now that they've done it, the Big Ten is like, oh, huh, who knew?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's another revenue stream we get, fellas.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how much could the how much can the Big Ten get?
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: And would Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, USC be better served.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what?
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want a group patch.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: We want to go out and do our own patch.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Do do the Jerry Jones way.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like we don't we don't want a Big Ten.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to participate in the Big Ten sponsorship deal.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: We want our own deal.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because if we got to split it with these other teams in the Big 12, Big Ten, we're only getting you know$8 million a year.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we can get it ourselves and do you know$27 million a year.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Make it make sense to us.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: And again, that's how you and Alabama and LSU could do that in the SEC along with Texas.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, as we continue to say, and you and you have said for a minute now, it's just more and more and more.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's the haves and have nots.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: It is, it is so top-heavy, it's winner take all a lot of the market.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I think this is a a really stark example of that.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's you know, I I believe that the rights fees, or not the rights fees, the sponsorship revenue, rather, like the monster patch, is predicated on the TV deals as well.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's the TV.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, like the amount of money that a sponsor is willing to pay for sponsorship patch is directly correlated to how much exposure that patch is going to get on TV, right?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: So Big 12 teams are not in any of the good windows on TV.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, big 10 teams and SEC teams are in all the good windows.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: So the just by that, by virtue of that alone, the value of a sponsorship patch on a Big Ten, you know, a Big Ten conference uniform versus a uh Big 12 conference uniform is many, many fold higher.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no question about it.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um I mean, you asked the question when we were just chit-chatting, who in the Big 12 are you are you stopping what you're doing to watch?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just like, okay, I got a relationship with Deion Sanders, so I'm always curious about Colorado.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: But outside of that, nobody.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe Texas Tech and maybe Arizona State.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: I would say, you know, I I look at something like Arizona State, and it just you just mentioned them.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: When you have a player like uh Cam Scataboo, who was on their team a couple of years ago, you might watch if there's a single player on that team, but you're not going to watch for the school itself.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's the difference.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas Alabama, you'll watch for Alabama.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: Arizona State, you'd watch for Cam Scataboo.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Ohio State, you watch for Ohio State.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's so that that I think is the difference.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, just the the amount of exposure that a Big Ten school gets versus a Big 12 school gets is uh they're two different leagues.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it's kind of where I think uh college football is headed, which is it's gonna be and it's already become one big super conference plus Notre Dame.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, and that's that's what's gonna determine uh you know the that's gonna determine the national championship, national champion.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: And you'll get a few outliers in there from you know from time to time, or some some, you know, if you look, for example, the English Premier League, maybe 15, 20 years ago, Manchester City wasn't wasn't a great team in the EPL, but they started spending a ton of money, and now they're always in the top four in the and then you had that one year Leicester City won.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it happened it'll it'll happen, but right that's the exception that proves the rule.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the year the Texas Rangers won the World Series.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: It happens, and then you know you enjoy it, and it's an outlier.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Is that was was Ron Washington a manager?
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Sammy, no, they went to the World Series with Ron Washington, he was the one who they lost the World Series in like this heartbreaking way.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: He was the manager who's the manager of the Rangers then Ron Washington in 2010 and 2011.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, uh uh the World Series.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Bruce Boce.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Bochi was that's right.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Which is a shame because Ron Washington did a phenomenal job with the Rangers and then had just heartbreaking.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Wash was my guy.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Josh, Josh Hamilton, after they lose it in the ninth, Hamilton hits a homer in the tenth.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody goes down to the uh clubhouse area expecting them to be able to shut it down and set up for interviews.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: They lose it, and then bro, you got to go in and interview those guys in the clubhouse with all that tape covering their lockers.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: They were getting ready for the champagne showers.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's horrible.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it was uh it was not a fun experience.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Best two best pure swings I've seen in baseball.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: Josh Hamilton?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Will Clark.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: I was uh Josh Hamilton was uh most beautiful swing I've ever seen.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: I would say Josh.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny because I covered both of those guys.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say Josh Hamilton and uh Ken Griffey Jr.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh Ken Griffey Jr.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's true.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: But but I just thought Will Will Clark's uh Will Clark's swing was was one of the most purest best swings I've ever seen.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: I had a love-hate relationship with Will Clark, as did most people, because it's sometimes he can be charming and really teach you a lot about the game, and other times he'd just be the biggest douchebag out there.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh and then and you never knew on a given day which one you're gonna get.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was with you you you so he was with he was with the Giants most of his career, right?
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Then he signed as a free agent with the Rangers.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: He went to the Rang that's right.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so when you were when you were covering the Rangers, he was uh he was there.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember what my role was then because I can't remember when he was with the Rangers.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh because I covered baseball for a couple years before I went to football, and then when I was a columnist, obviously I was covering a lot of baseball.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: So uh my career uh fools me.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember Will Clark's time in in Texas.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I also don't remember A-Ride's time in Texas, and people look at me like, how can you not remember A-Ride's time in Texas?
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: He he uh hit 50 homers each of the three years he was with the Rangers, and and I really don't, I literally don't remember A-Ride in Texas, and that's because the A-Ride showed up in 2003, right when Bill Parcells became the Cowboys head coach, and you know, you know, when Bill Parcells took over the Cowboys, it just became just a oh yeah, sure.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's great.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: That that's great for uh columnists to cover that or a reporter.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a great so but going back to the monster energy patch for 20 million.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you think that's gonna usher in deals all over the place?
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's well, check this out, man.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it started.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at just sports, the NBA started putting these little patches on.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, true.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: And and the right the Mavericks just signed with somebody, maybe we'll talk about it next week.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: Their their deal ended this at the end of last season.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: They literally just signed with somebody the other day who was a much bigger company.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Their name escapes me, but but you would know the company if I said I can just can't remember right now.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so, to me, man, all these teams, all these leagues are looking for revenue, and you know, the next one is obvious.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: This thing with Monster, it's gonna start in colleges, and then you watch.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how long it's gonna take.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: NFL is gonna do it because how much would you pay to have a patch on the Dallas Cowboys jersey?
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: It would be pick a number.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: But just look at just look at just look at NASCAR and just look at golf.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: And look at tennis.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna happen.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna happen.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: And now this is just like, oh, you know, we haven't really paid enough attention to this.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get on it.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: And uh within within two years, you know, uh the SEC and the Big 12 and the ACC will all have deals like this.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um they'll be a lot better though, than than this deal.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but uh, you know, I give I give so bottom line for me, man, I give the big the big uh 12 kudos for being bold.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: It just seems like they could have got just a little more cash out of it for what they're giving up, because they're giving up a lot.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Bottom line for me, I I just gotta learn the teams in the big 12.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea who any of them are, it's pretty embarrassing.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and I'll tell you, my first job at my first job at CNN Sports way back when I had to take a test on sports knowledge.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: I had to name the teams of the Big Eight.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I knew them.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm now looking up 40 years later, and I can name maybe six teams in the Big 12, which is a sort of the successor kind of to the Big Eight.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, bottom line for me is gotta learn who the hell a bit who the hell's in the Big 12.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um and this leads us to uh I have a trivia question for you.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: This leads us to our favorite time of the show, the Ohio State Conversation.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: This time we have a baseball player.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now we the nut the odds of us talking about Ohio State baseball are not in anybody's bingo card.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um but uh the the uh the Buckeyes have a player who has been named to the All-Star game.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Detroit Tigers catcher Dylan Dingler.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was Dirk, no?
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Not to be confused with Dirk Diggler.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Is it is it Dirk or Dylan?
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's Dylan.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's Dylan Dingler, okay.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not Dirk Diggler.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: That was our joke.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, right, right, right.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: The question is: can you name the other three Ohio State baseball players to play in the MLB All-Star game?
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so I know one of them for sure.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's an ex-Chicago Cub, Nick Swisher.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure he's one of them, right?
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only one I knew.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: I heard of the other guy.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he's actually got some some Texas Rangers roots.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Is is Paulo Paulo Neal is he's a he's a Columbus guy, but he never played, he didn't play at Ohio State.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: The Nick Swisher's the one name that I know.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Frank Howard.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Frank Howard, I didn't know.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, of course, of course, yeah.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh play for the Washington Senators.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, no, no.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's a great player.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I had never heard of this guy.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: Johnny Edwards, a catcher selected in 63 and 64 while playing with the Cincinnati Reds.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Dylan Dingler ends a 16-year drought last time a buckeye played in a major league baseball game.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that leads us to this.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: Do you watch the all-star baseball game anymore?
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: I watch the home run derby.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: I will, if oh, it depends.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm big on, I think the one of the most interesting things, and the the thing I one of the things I like to watch most in any sport is great starting pitching.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: So if there are you know two or three really good starters, I'll watch the beginning of the uh all-star game just to watch, you know, Paul Skeen, Shohey Otani, whoever uh, you know, Steve when it was Steven Strasbourg, you know, those years, I would watch it for that.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, no.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: How about you?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was the last one I watched regularly, and I just don't care.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Do you watch a home run derby or not?
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care about any of it.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, home run home run derby is the home run derby is is is pretty good.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I I I actually enjoy watching that.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now, now I did play MLB the show uh yesterday.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: One of my friends came by last week and we fired it up.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: It was the first time I had played in probably I had played that game in a couple years.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: So you know what, man?
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's really a fantastic video game.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I just don't have time to play it.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: It requires, you know, I like to get into I've when I play video games, I play college football, which I believe is coming out tomorrow, if if it didn't come out today.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I play FIFA.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: And and Jeremiah Smith is a 99.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's what I've heard.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, it's gotten some pretty good reviews, and so I'll mess around with it a little bit.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: But uh no, baseball games are phenomenal.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: It just dude, all these games, if it's in the game, it's in the game.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I wasn't ready for that kind of investment for baseball.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I'm not a video game guy at all.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't play any, I don't play any video games.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: But what do you do for fun then?
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'll tell you, I mean, I'm not particularly exciting, you know.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: I uh uh I got I I like to read books, but I like to read them electronically.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: And and I get you know there's a there's an app you can use to get books that are available at your local library.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I got I got I got two books that came available this week, which is which are what I'm reading now.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: One is the uh new book from Maggie Haverman and Jonathan Swan of the New York Times called Regime Change, Trump's first year in office.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: And the second book and the second book is actually a book that I've been meaning to read for it came out maybe eight or nine years ago, called Thinking in Bets.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and it's sort of anchoring your thinking as you're making decisions or whatever it is that you're doing, thinking about thinking about it in terms of how you think about betting on something.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's what I kind of do in my my spare time.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the books I'm reading right now are the Tunnels of Ku Chi, which is about tunnel rats in the uh Vietnam War.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: Those guys who used because uh so anyway, I'm reading about that and uh Nightshade, which is a new character from Michael Conley, the man who brought you Bosch and the Lincoln Lord.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what's on my reading list.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: I just finished some book today.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh oh, I finished uh Belichick by Ian O'Connor.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I I I heard that was excellent.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's uh you know, as an author myself, I I have this this deal, and I and it's funny because I I don't do it, I do it the way I want to do it, which is opposite the way some people do it.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: I for me, I just don't I well let me say this.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: The book is excellent, okay?
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: So forget anything.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: So the book is excellent, but it started slow to me because it spends all his time talking about his parents and stuff, and all those books, all the biographies I read, I just get so bogged down early talking about all I want.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: I like when we get to the main character.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: So when I write biographies, what do I do?
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: I start with the main character for the first couple of chapters, and then I'll take you back to how they grew up and stuff because that's the way I like to read them.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I figure I'm going to write them that way.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's it's your that it's your book.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Write it the way you want it.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: I totally I I I agree with that.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so the bottom line for me, hey, I'm glad his name is Dylan Dingler, not Dirk Diggler, but I'm glad to have a uh Buckeye in the All-Star game.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so I may watch it just because of him.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: Bottom line for me is there wasn't really much else to talk about without related to Ohio State Sports this week.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is a good story.
• 44:02
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• 44:05
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• 44:06
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• 44:06
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• 44:08
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• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right, everybody.
• 44:09
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