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The Late Debate | 12 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately, General Man, welcome the Late Debates. It's great to
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  Speaker 1: have your company on the Late Debate James Macpherson with
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  Speaker 1: Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming up. How to amuse
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  Speaker 1: yourself on a long haul flight will show you the
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  Speaker 1: new trend that's going viral on social media. If you've
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  Speaker 1: got a flight overseas coming up, you'll want to know
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  Speaker 1: about it. Plus when we look at the papers, Scotland
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  Speaker 1: to host the twenty twenty six Commonwealth Games, Victorians to
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  Speaker 1: pay for it, and an interesting story in tomorrow's Australian
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  Speaker 1: school teachers will use AI chatbots to set your child's
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  Speaker 1: homework and assignments. What could possibly go wrong? But first,
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales alcohol laws could be loosened to allow
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  Speaker 1: drinking in public places, such as in parks and on beaches.
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  Speaker 1: Now currently alcohol can't be consumed on public footpaths or
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  Speaker 1: on roads, and local councils are able to declare alcohol
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  Speaker 1: free zones in parks and beaches. But Upper House MP
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  Speaker 1: John Ruddick has introduced a private members build to overturn
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  Speaker 1: the bands, and New South Wales Premier Chris mins Well
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  Speaker 1: he likes the.
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  Speaker 2: Idea generally on the side of believing there's just too
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  Speaker 2: many rules and regulations, particularly when it comes to hospitality
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  Speaker 2: or having fun in Sydney. There's too many places around Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: not just in a CBD that close pretty close to
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  Speaker 2: eight point thirty and there's a lot of people that
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  Speaker 2: want to go out and spend money and drive the economy.
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  Speaker 2: Having an economy that fires after five pm during the
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  Speaker 2: week is really important for cities like Sydney, and that
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  Speaker 2: means that we've got to be open to cutting red tape.
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  Speaker 2: The general discussion about the amount of restrictions that are
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  Speaker 2: in place for people that want to open a bar,
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  Speaker 2: or serve food, or create some kind of excitement and
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  Speaker 2: energy that people see in other international cities around the
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  Speaker 2: world would be really valuable and long overdue for Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: I think most people would agree with the new South
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  Speaker 1: Wales labor premiere that we need less rules. But it
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  Speaker 1: does beg the question as long as labor are in power,
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  Speaker 1: caleber who can afford alcohol?
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  Speaker 3: That's quite a federally anyway. That is true because as
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  Speaker 3: of August the first, the excise has gone up again
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  Speaker 3: and by the way, the alcohol excise, like the tobacco excise,
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  Speaker 3: goes up every six months, and a bit like compound interest,
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  Speaker 3: when you put money in the bank, it just gets
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  Speaker 3: worse and worse and worse because it's tied to CPI,
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  Speaker 3: so it goes up, you know, whatever CPI is, every
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  Speaker 3: six months. And of course over the last couple of
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  Speaker 3: years that's been really bad. You can barely get a
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  Speaker 3: bottle of spirits for less than fifty bucks. These days.
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  Speaker 3: You go and buy a bottle of bunderberg Rum and
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  Speaker 3: sixty three percent of the cost of that is tax.
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  Speaker 3: It is outrageous how we are taxed in this country.
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  Speaker 3: But good on.
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  Speaker 4: Them has a very personal dereth.
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  Speaker 1: Caleb has no idea. Every time we go out, you
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  Speaker 1: may pace you know about the cost.
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  Speaker 3: That's because I'm getting you to make up for lost time,
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  Speaker 3: because it was fifty odd years until you started drinking.
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  Speaker 3: So you've got you got a lot of rounds, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of rounds to make up for James. But good
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  Speaker 3: on mens for getting behind the idea of pulling some
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  Speaker 3: red tape out of the way, because, for heaven's sake,
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  Speaker 3: if you can't have a beer on the beach, we
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  Speaker 3: are not a serious country. If you can't go and
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  Speaker 3: have a picnic in the park and enjoy a glass
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  Speaker 3: of wine with your plowman's lunch or whatever you're have
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  Speaker 3: in your ketca seriously, like it's hot. It is harming
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  Speaker 3: no one, and New South Wales in particular, since they
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  Speaker 3: introduced the lockout laws in Sydney's g what a decade
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  Speaker 3: or so ago, totally destroyed the nightlife in Sydney. You
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  Speaker 3: can barely buy a bottle of wine after ten pm.
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  Speaker 3: We meant to be a serious international city and it's
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  Speaker 3: illegal to have a drink on the beach or have
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  Speaker 3: a restaurant open to the late. But they did all
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  Speaker 3: the damage they brought in the lockout laws killed King's Cross,
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  Speaker 3: killed all the night. Like, oh well, we'll lift that now,
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  Speaker 3: and let's just hope you can sort of gets where
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  Speaker 3: we were, is it, Caleb, Let's not go to for
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  Speaker 3: anyone anymore because it doesn't bloody exist anymore. But like,
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  Speaker 3: what's the problem with having a beer on the beach.
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  Speaker 3: If someone is causing a nuisance, they're going to cause
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  Speaker 3: a nuisance, regardless of whether there is a ban on
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  Speaker 3: having a drink on the beach anyway, deal with people
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  Speaker 3: who are publicly drunk and carry on like lauts. You
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  Speaker 3: can find them in any pub or any license of
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  Speaker 3: in you anywhere, and they should rightfully be dealt with.
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  Speaker 3: But what's wrong with having a beer on the beach
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  Speaker 3: or at the park play on? I say, but.
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  Speaker 4: That is something that falls into the jurisdiction of the councils.
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  Speaker 4: Being a city councilor myself, I remember that. Well, So
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  Speaker 4: unless he's talking about amending the legislation to take that
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  Speaker 4: power back off the councils, all this was was a
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  Speaker 4: pile of hot air. I'm not really sure what we're
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  Speaker 4: excited about. All he said is general discussion would be
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  Speaker 4: really valuable. Mate. That the only line older than that
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  Speaker 4: in politics is let there be live I mean, he's
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  Speaker 4: not actually promised any action here. It is simply a yes,
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  Speaker 4: this is something we should have a discussion about. So
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  Speaker 4: I find it very hard to get excited when all
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  Speaker 4: he's really done is prove that he's capable of stating
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  Speaker 4: an observable fact. But what is he going to do
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  Speaker 4: about it? Sure, but at least you see the men's
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  Speaker 4: government then amending the state legislation that gives that power
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  Speaker 4: to the councils, because obviously counsels differ greatly in their makeups.
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  Speaker 4: You've got the really beach rich ones, the park rich ones,
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  Speaker 4: the ones that see a lot of tourists coming through.
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  Speaker 4: They're more likely to be far more adverse to now
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  Speaker 4: allowing there to be because a lot of people have
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  Speaker 4: big parties on the beach in those parts, et cetera,
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  Speaker 4: and that is going to lend itself to public drunkend.
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  Speaker 1: What's your view? Do you think it's a good idea.
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  Speaker 4: I do think it's a good idea. I'm simply saying
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  Speaker 4: I'm not excited about this little spiel that is given
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  Speaker 4: today until it's backed up with action, because, like I say,
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  Speaker 4: it's not very usual that the States slap the rests
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  Speaker 4: of the councils and say, actually, we've changed our minds.
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  Speaker 4: His certain powers we're taking off you. They do leave
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  Speaker 4: that to the councils, and in some ways that is
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  Speaker 4: good because, like I say, councils differ greatly in terms
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  Speaker 4: of demographics and their kind of parkland areas. They're beaches,
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  Speaker 4: some of them are inland. Wouldn't actually this wouldn't affect
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  Speaker 4: them that much at all. It's the other councils who
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  Speaker 4: will be quite typefisted about that and say, well, hang
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  Speaker 4: on a minute. If you're going to say that where
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  Speaker 4: to allow alcohol to flow freely in the parts and beaches,
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna need more cops on the beat. We're gonna
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  Speaker 4: need I mean, it's one of those issues that has
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  Speaker 4: significant extrapolations for other areas, and of course that then
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  Speaker 4: falls on the state because policing is a state issue,
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  Speaker 4: not a council issue, and so it's just one of
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  Speaker 4: those pebbles that creates a lot more ripples than you
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  Speaker 4: might think initially, rather than just saying, oh, yeah, it
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  Speaker 4: would be good to see a lot more nightlife. Well,
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  Speaker 4: as Caleb's pointed out, nightlife was killed off by the
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  Speaker 4: lockdown laws, and even though they were scrapped years ago,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people and a lot of people running,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's their pubs or bars or clubs, still act
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  Speaker 4: like those are in place. It's almost like most people
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  Speaker 4: in New South Wales don't know that they have been scrapped,
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  Speaker 4: and so all the people who are bar owners and
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  Speaker 4: the like just still do the same because people aren't
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  Speaker 4: hanging around as late as they used to because it's
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  Speaker 4: been years since they've thought that. That's even legal and
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to get a drink.
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  Speaker 1: Let me play devil's advocate on this, right, So don't
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  Speaker 1: buy the idea that we're an international city. You know
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  Speaker 1: they do it in Europe, and who cares what they
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  Speaker 1: do in Europe. We're our own country. We do what
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  Speaker 1: we want. So I dismissed that argument. What do you
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  Speaker 1: say to families who say we like going to the beach.
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  Speaker 1: You take hot summers in Australia a bunch of young
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  Speaker 1: people drinking all day. You're going to end up with
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  Speaker 1: drunken LUTs who behave like idiots and make everybody's life miserable.
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  Speaker 1: What's wrong with the status quo where if you want
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  Speaker 1: to drink, go to a pub where people are contained,
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  Speaker 1: they're looked after by bar, attendance and so on and so.
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  Speaker 4: Forth, responsible service of alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I want to be able to go to the
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  Speaker 1: beach with my family and not have to worry about idiots.
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  Speaker 1: When there will be idiots because summer beers, long days
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  Speaker 1: on the beach, you'll end up with problems.
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  Speaker 3: But there's idiots everywhere. I mean, I grew up, but we.
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  Speaker 1: Don't have drunken idiots on the beach right now? But
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  Speaker 1: we will if they do this.
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  Speaker 3: But I know I don't think that's correct necessarily, because
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  Speaker 3: if you want to be a drunken idiot on the beach,
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  Speaker 3: you're probably already going to do it anyway. And I
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  Speaker 3: grew up going to the beach as a kid and
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  Speaker 3: there was always an esky. I mean that I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: having the beers as a kid, but there was always
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  Speaker 3: an eski full of beers and soft drinks for me, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: but there was always an eski full of beers. That's
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  Speaker 3: never been a problem. I've been to plenty of picnics
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  Speaker 3: where alcohol has been consumed. And this is happening all
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  Speaker 3: over the country right now. We're not probably not right
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  Speaker 3: now ten o'clock at night, but you know it's happening
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  Speaker 3: all over the country all the time without much problem.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't really hear a great deal of
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  Speaker 3: issue about to hear about the mums down at the
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  Speaker 3: local park getting on the white wines causing lots of trouble,
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  Speaker 3: and the beach is full of drunken yobbos, like it's
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  Speaker 3: not a big issue. It happens in other parts of
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  Speaker 3: the country. I don't see why it can't happen in
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales as well. If someone is making a
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  Speaker 3: dickhead of themselves, you call the cops and the cops
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  Speaker 3: come and deal with them like any other situation.
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  Speaker 1: But the reason it's not a big issue is because
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  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to do it currently.
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  Speaker 3: You're allowed to do it in other but you can
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  Speaker 3: do it in other Australia.
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  Speaker 4: Where they just do it surreptitiously. Yeah yeah, the flask,
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  Speaker 4: or they'll put it in something that's unrecognizable. They're not
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  Speaker 4: actually getting the bottles of wine out and pouring into
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  Speaker 4: like what's obviously champagne glasses, but they one hundred percent
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  Speaker 4: still do it, but they do it in such a
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  Speaker 4: responsible way that they're not kind of also, I think
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  Speaker 4: people are trying to protect kids from that kind of
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to the park with mom and dad, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, five of the six families here are getting
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  Speaker 4: on the plank. I mean that that's not something that
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  Speaker 4: we do want advertised to kids, like everyone gather around
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  Speaker 4: this is this is perfectly okay, and you can see
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  Speaker 4: them all getting rowdy. I just think it would it
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  Speaker 4: would be naive to say that legalizing that wouldn't lend
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  Speaker 4: itself and the other. The other way this argument falls
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  Speaker 4: down is that MINS is saying, well, we want to
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  Speaker 4: get business back up and running, et cetera, and so on.
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  Speaker 4: Those are two very different things. So it's not like
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  Speaker 4: people are buying less alcohol because they can't take it
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  Speaker 4: to a park. It either means they'll go to a
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  Speaker 4: pub or some other place to have alcohol, or they'll
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  Speaker 4: buy it, take it home and have a backyard barbecue
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  Speaker 4: in instead. So the whole argument of oh well this
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  Speaker 4: will really fire the economy, no, people are getting their
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  Speaker 4: booze one way or another.
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  Speaker 3: In a cost of living crisis. The opportunity to be
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  Speaker 3: able to have your picnic at the park with your
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  Speaker 3: wine instead of being forced to go to the pub
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  Speaker 3: where you have to spend you know, I mean ten
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  Speaker 3: dollars of pint is pretty good these days, to be
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  Speaker 3: perfectly honest. That's a good cost of living. Drive, go
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  Speaker 3: and have fun in the park instead of having to
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  Speaker 3: go to the pub.
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  Speaker 4: Tell you when you could. Though, during COVID, I still
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  Speaker 4: remember these signs. In part there's this one right by
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  Speaker 4: Circular Key. In fact, you're in Circular Kee and there's
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  Speaker 4: this plot of grass and they'd done the crop circles.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone's sitting in your crop circle. Oh my gosh, the
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  Speaker 4: idiocy of this time. But the signs literally said you
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  Speaker 4: can enjoy alcohol. You can't enjoy anything else. Everything's closed,
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  Speaker 4: but hey, for this particular period of time, alcohol is
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  Speaker 4: allowed to be consumed down here on. Everyone gather around,
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  Speaker 4: just stay within new crop circles, and it's all fine.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember just thinking this has got to be
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  Speaker 4: peak idiocy. All the gyms are closed, no one can
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  Speaker 4: go to work, but you can drink in the park
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  Speaker 4: like full slab.
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  Speaker 3: God, God forbid your lart have a cigarette, though a
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  Speaker 3: copper would come and make it. Put in that egg
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  Speaker 3: as you'll have beeen someone. And it's funny you mention it,
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  Speaker 3: because I remember I was living in Victoria when that
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  Speaker 3: final long lockdown happened.
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  Speaker 4: You guys learned to drink in part.
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  Speaker 3: Well. It was funny because someone organized online, like through
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  Speaker 3: a community Facebook group, almost like a pub crawl because
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  Speaker 3: you get takeaway alcohol, right, And so all the local
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  Speaker 3: businesses were doing you know, cocktails and whatever so people
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  Speaker 3: could have their one hours exercise a day. I think
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  Speaker 3: it was in Richmond, and they mapped out all the
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  Speaker 3: places doing takeaway alcohol and it was like a community
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  Speaker 3: pub crawl to support the local businesses. And then Daniel
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  Speaker 3: Andrews came out the next day and said that shit,
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  Speaker 3: we cannot have that. That is not within the spirit
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  Speaker 3: of the rules, and then he banned public drinking. So
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  Speaker 3: my little bit of pushback on that was every day
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  Speaker 3: when I walked home from work, I grabbed a beer
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  Speaker 3: from the local bottle shop and drank that on the
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  Speaker 3: way home with the mask down to oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: breaking the rules. While we are on the craziness of bureaucracy,
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  Speaker 3: let's go to Victoria where nurses are having trouble with
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  Speaker 3: a drug that was introduced last year, or was introduced
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  Speaker 3: more freely last year, called naloxone. Now, basically what this
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  Speaker 3: does if someone is having a drug overdose, particularly an
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  Speaker 3: opioid drug overdose, they could administer this drug. It's often
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  Speaker 3: done by a nasal spray and it reverses the effects
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  Speaker 3: of the overdose. Very effective, great drug to have available
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  Speaker 3: to nurses, except if you're a paramedic or a nurse
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  Speaker 3: or a volunteer paramedic, etc. You have to call Triple
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  Speaker 3: zero to get permission to administer the drug in the
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  Speaker 3: first place. Because if you don't do that and there's
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  Speaker 3: some sort of adverse reaction to this person who is
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  Speaker 3: already having a drug overdose, by the way, they could
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  Speaker 3: then potentially sue you and you're not covered by the
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  Speaker 3: indemnity scheme, which seems a bit ridiculous, and even more
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  Speaker 3: ridiculous when you then find out that if you're just
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  Speaker 3: an average joe on the street who manages to get
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  Speaker 3: his hands on some nlocks own, you can administer that
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  Speaker 3: without calling Triple zero. But if you are a qualified medic, nurse, paramedic,
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  Speaker 3: you have to call for permission. And what is being
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  Speaker 3: pointed out a year after this was introduced in Victoria
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  Speaker 3: is that you know, the two minutes or so you
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  Speaker 3: might be sitting on the phone to Triple zero waiting
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  Speaker 3: to get permission could be the difference between life and death.
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  Speaker 3: Richie Goonan is from Youth Projects. They do work on
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  Speaker 3: the street in terms of medical stuff. He says two
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  Speaker 3: minutes is an extremely long time when you've got someone
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  Speaker 3: with a really shallow breathing lips going blue. He said
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  Speaker 3: that such a delay could be the difference between receiving quote,
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  Speaker 3: a life saving drug in a timely fashion and death
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  Speaker 3: or permanent at harm. The lock zowone is a safe
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  Speaker 3: drug to use, with the side effects in the literature
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  Speaker 3: being very rare. I mean, what a stupid situation where
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  Speaker 3: you have something that could save someone's life and I
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  Speaker 3: don't know because of bureaucracy and laws that simply have
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  Speaker 3: not kept up with where things are at. If you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to potentially lose your job for trying to
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  Speaker 3: save someone's life, you have to make a phone call
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  Speaker 3: and sit on hold and watch this person die. It's
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  Speaker 3: just outrageous.
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  Speaker 1: This drug is so effective and so safe that they're
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  Speaker 1: now putting it in vending machines around Melbourne so it
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  Speaker 1: can be accessed twenty four to seven by anyone. And
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  Speaker 1: the biggest belief of the Victorian government that's spent so
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  Speaker 1: much political capital and so much time on drug injecting
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  Speaker 1: rooms because we want to look after people who are
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  Speaker 1: using drugs and care for them in the event of
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  Speaker 1: an overdose. Haven't soughted out something as simple as allowing
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  Speaker 1: frontline workers to use this simple drug which has very
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  Speaker 1: rare side effects in a matter of life and death.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they're worried about indemnity and insurance schemes but when
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  Speaker 4: you're in a life and death situation calling Triple zero
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  Speaker 4: and spending two minutes on hold, like Richie Coogan shared
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  Speaker 4: that one of his nurses had done. He runs youth projects,
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  Speaker 4: so they do a lot of outreach and see people
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  Speaker 4: having these kinds of experiences and they need to act
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  Speaker 4: fast otherwise it's not going to be very effective. So,
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  Speaker 4: according to Victoria's good Samaritan laws, a bystander like if
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  Speaker 4: you or I had it on us, we could just
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  Speaker 4: run up to this person inject them straight up. But
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  Speaker 4: someone who actually is a nurse and knows far better
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  Speaker 4: what they're doing has to call Triple zero and wait
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  Speaker 4: for what. Can you imagine how that conversation would go.
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  Speaker 4: It'd just be someone at the end of the other
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  Speaker 4: line going, I have someone here who looks like they're
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  Speaker 4: experiencing a OD. I'm going to administer this drug and
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  Speaker 4: what else is.
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  Speaker 3: The Triple one person going to go for it for?
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  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, okay, thanks for the indemnity insurance.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, bye.
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  Speaker 4: But I think what this really opens up again is
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  Speaker 4: another conversation about how easy and safe do we want
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: to make drug taking. So Victoria already has this permanent
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: pill testing in place eighteen months trial, then they're just
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: going to have it permanently, so round the clock. If
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: you hasn't have an illicit substance and you want to
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: make sure that you're not going to die from taking it,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: the state, we will pay for you to go and
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: make sure that, Okay, I can safely take this illegal drug. Now,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: the state is introducing twenty four hour vending machines for
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: this meloxone. So in the event that you're a friend
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: does have an overdose because you're having a wild night,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: someone just administer that quick fast and hopefully nothing bad
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: will happen. How accessible do we want to make this
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: because we are creating a society now where there are
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: no repercussions to taking illegal drugs. So why would I
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: not buy them? Why would I not take them? Why
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: would my friends and I partying young, don't really know
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: any better, just experimenting, going to a music festival, whatever
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: the case may be. Why wouldn't we avail ourselves of
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: these illicit substances that we know are a societal evil.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt that's the way we're going in Victoria.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: In the Act, they've loosened drug laws to an incredible degree.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you've got the ridiculous situation where if
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Caleb overdoses on drugs and you're a qualified just for
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the sake of the illustration, and we've got this effective medicine,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: right yeah, and you're a nurse and you say to me, James,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you treat him because I'm qualified to do it. You're
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: a coverin man Jo, I'm unqualified. Therefore I'm the only
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: one that can treat you. That's a ridiculous situation. And
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the other thing in this story is how could someone
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: spend two minutes on hold to triple O what that
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: call was about. But that biggest belief that puts.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: You on hold.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: The triples we're paying for. The triple zero system in
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Victoria has been in a bad way for a long time,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: and there's more than thirty people. When I was the
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Herald Son were doing stories about there's more than thirty
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: people whose deaths are directly connected to the fact that
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: they couldn't get through to someone on Triple zero. In time.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I think there was even a point where the phone
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: just wouldn't ring because all the operators we were engaged, right,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: which is utterly ridiculous. But this is the stupidity of
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: government that they cannot get their ducks in a row
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: like you would think, Okay, we've introduced this life saving drug.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: We're equipping ambulances and other workers with it so that
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: they have it on hand if they need it. But
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: by the way, we're going to put a hurdle in
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: the way so that you can't actually use it when
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: it is most effective. How with all the people who
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: are employed in the public service, we see these examples
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: time and time again, all the people employed in the
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: public service. How was there not someone who went, okay, yep,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: we should probably amend this bit here so that this
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: bit here works. We pay for this stuff and they
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: cannot do anything properly. Like what are we paying public
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: servants for? If you outsourced all of this stuff to
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the private sector, it'll be done in five minutes flat.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: But no to public service. I can't possibly.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: The drug is free, but you don't even need a prescription.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: You can get it out of a vending machine, or
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: you will very shortly be able to get it out
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: of a vending machine around the clock. And yeah, if
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I'm a nurse, everyone can admit a through it, except
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: if you're a trained professional. Then you're in trouble. You
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: have to think about insurance and called triple zero to
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: New South Wales now where there's a warning that Oxford
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Street I'm losing its LGBTQ flavor now. I had to
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: read this in laugh today because I used to live
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: in Darlinghurst and trust me, nothing is getting rid of
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: that flavor. When I first moved to Sydney and I
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: didn't know the Darlinghurst was basically the LGBTQ capital of
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: the world, not just Australia, the world. The roads are rainbow,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: the flags a rainbow. I was like, is this all
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: of Sydney or all of I just really badly chosen
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: while I'm trotting around in my Trump twenty twenty cap
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: but really badly chosen which suburb I'm living in. So
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: there's a few developments going on and the mayor is
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: trying to reassure everyone this is not going to change
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: the LGBTIQ flavor of Oxford Street. She said, we want
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: the strip to be a celebration of the LGBTIQ culture
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: and community, a destination and workplace for cultures and creatives,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: with more businesses and local services in the street heritage buildings.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: That is literally all they are doing. There's a few
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: rehnos happening, there's a few more bike lanes going in,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: which I know you're very passionate about Kale, but I
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: don't see how that is going to alter the culture
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: on Oxford Street whatsoever.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I was so funny this story that the SMH did
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: about it, because you know, the SMH kids about this
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: kind of thing. And they quoted a blow called Marty Nasif,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: who is a travel agent. He's got a shop just
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: off of Oxford Street, and he was complaining that the
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: character of Oxford Street has been diluted by quote unquote
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: gentrification and an influx of young families with kids. In all,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: he says, King Street, Newtown and Innmore Road clearly have
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: a lot more vibe and buzz because there are heaps
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: of cafes, shops and different cultures. And he said that
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Oxford Street was dominated by convenience stores and vape shops
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: as well as empty shop fronts. He said there are
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: own only a few token gay establishments really left. So
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: what he's saying is that Oxford Street at the moment
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: is a dump, and so someone else is coming in
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: to put up some developments and some housing that might
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: actually attract some business to Oxford Street, and some cafes
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: and some restaurants that would give it the kind of
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: vibe that he wants, so it's not just a dump
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: full of convenience stores and vape shops. And he thinks
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: that's a bad thing. And I find it so delicious that,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: you know, moneyed lefties who've gone and gentrified the rest
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: of Australia like you think of working class strongholds. I'm
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: going to go to Melbourne because I lived there long
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: enough to sort of understand places like Fitzroy etc. Right
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: that once upon a time were real working class territory.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: And even here in Sydney, if you want to talk
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: about Glebe and places like that, real working class territory
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: that moneyed lefties moved into, Greens voters moved into and
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: gentrified the place because we can't have that riffraff living
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: hell to make it good for us to live in.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: And now they're complaining that someone else is coming in
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: and gentrifying the one bit of grungy Sydney that they
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: left alone so they could go and enjoy it on
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the weekend but not have to live in it. That
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: my friends is called going full circle. It's come back
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: to bite you on the bum. You gentrified everyone else's
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: territory and now you're upset that they're going to gentrify
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: your playground.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: This story is hilarious to me. I mean, firstly, it's
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: quite serious. There's a serious side to this, and that
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: is that Sydney, Why are you laughing already?
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: I'm waiting for it. I'm serious.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Did as we say you say something serious?
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: You know it's not.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Trust me, this is very serious. Sydney City Council could
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: be guilty of gay conversion therapy by trying to make
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Oxford Street go straight. Ah, that's the big problem here.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: It has spent millions of dollars on the LGBT IT
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Museum in Darling, So that's another reason why this is
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: just absurd. I'm like, you just had your grand opening.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Thousands of people are coming through the doors. Is this
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: constant celebration of all things lgbt IQ And now because
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: a few developments are going up because I was looking
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: a bit dere elite, They're all like this is going
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: to ruin the culture.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: One of the best part is it's not just the developments.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: It's young families with kids are moving in. I think
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: it's terrible diversity. Oh no, no, we not have diversity.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Do they talk about the fact that retailers in Oxford
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Street apparently have to sign a Pride Business Charter whereby
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: they agree to prefer LGBTQ staff. Well, woe betider Catholic
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: school that preferences Catholic staff. I mean, I remembering.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: About to say Catholic school opening up.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: They would really ruin the character of the area. But
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I remember when you know, the gay community wanted to
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: be just like everybody else, and so I would have
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: thought it was a sign of great success on behalf
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of the LGBTQ community that families with children want to live.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Next story, this is a group that have campaign for
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: social change for years and now they're campaigning against any
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: social change. So that the ironies through this story are numerous.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: But trust Clovermoret. She promises, no, no, we'll retain the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: LGBTQ character. We'll put in a whole lot more rainbow crossings,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: which is just what Sydney need. Let's talk about something
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: far more serious, and that is the threat of Islamic terrorism.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Is a new report come out from King's College which
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: details just the kinds of people that are being arrested
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: on terrorism charges in Europe and it's got implications for
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the rest of the West, including Australia. They say that
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: two thirds of ISIS linked arrests in Europe over the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: past nine months have been involving teenagers. Of fifty eight
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: arrests for ISIS linked terror acts, thirty eight arrests involved
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: young people aged thirteen to nineteen. And of course this
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: was brought to the fore just recently when the Taylor
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Swift concert was postpar owned because of seventeen eighteen and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: nineteen year old were charged with planning a terror attack.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: So that makes forty one teenagers recruited to commit terror
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: acts in Europe over the past nine months. Most of
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: them contacted online and then manipulated into attempting one of
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: these attacks. Director of research at Syracuse University Institute for
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Security Policy and Law said, and I quote, there's no
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: doubt in anybody's mind that the preferred means and mechanisms
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: for recruitment in the West, meaning Europe, but also in
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the US, Canada, Australia and elsewhere is with teenagers. Everybody
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: loves to recruit young people, especially young men, because there's
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: developmental issues. Their brains aren't fully formed until they're twenty five.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: How old are you calm twenty five until they're twenty bucks.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: So it's a Siah story until they're twenty five or so.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Handful online, Taylor, mate, I'm going to come in tomorrow.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Terrorst decisions. You're vulnerable, So there's a point.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: To talk about here. But what I find alarming is
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that you would think the entire problem is you've got
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: young men whose brains aren't fully developed going on the internet. Well,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: which brings up the point that you just joked about
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: you better stay off the internet from lost another birthday,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: otherwise you might be going all ghad on it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: My brain was fully developed at about four years old. Different,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: different to the rest, Claudia.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It's not just going online as a young person. And
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: this article says, you know, people could be searching something
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: as and this was the quote as innocuous as sharia law.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: That's the problem when you think that sharia law is innocuous,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: that it's just a nothing burger, no wonder, we're not
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: doing anything to start to get a grip on this issue.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: When that's the mentality.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: No one what anyone's to say, This is not young
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: people getting on the internet is not the problem Radical
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Islam is because like when every time there's a shooting
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: in the state, they want to make guns the problem. Well, no,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: guns have been around for hundreds and hundreds of years,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: and we didn't have these weird whack job mass shootings,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: did we. No. No one wants to talk about the
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: mental health issues that inevitably then gets found out about
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: the perpetrator of those tragic, unthinkable events. No one wants
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: to talk about all the underlying factors. They just want
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: to make it about gun control. And if we didn't
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: have guns, this wouldn't happen, by the way, those kind
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: of sicko psycho people would find some way, They would
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: find some way to do what they wanted to do
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: because they are mentally unwell, So making guns the problem
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: is a furfey just like how the governments now across
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: the West are saying, oh, we need to clamp down
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: on access to the Internet for younger people because they're vulnerable.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: You didn't care when it was pornography, did you, And
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: that was ravaging is still ravaging our young people and
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: making it really hard for them to have more healthy
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: relationships with the opposite sex. You didn't care about that
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: at all, even though you know you have all the
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: research of how that literally affects their mental development. So
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: they're happy to talk about oh, males, brains aren't fully
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: formed till they're twenty five. But they won't do anything
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: to keep pornography away from them. Now they want to
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: say radical Islam without saying radical Islam. No, no, the
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: issue is just access to the internet. No, it's not.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: And also, why don't we talk about the fact that
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: why are these guys attracted to this kind of radical ideology?
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Is it because we as a society have kicked out
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: every single prick from underneath them. They used to inform
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: their identity, their religion, their race, their every single other thing,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: including their gender. Oh toxic masculinity. Now, don't want any
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: of that. Everything that someone used to rely on as
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: a young person, the family that they belong to, the
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: church that they attended, the religion they were raised in,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: all of that. It's like, no, no, no, all those points
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: of identification have been ripped out from underneath them. They've
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: been told that every single thing about them is basically meaningless,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: including even your gender that can change every five minutes,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: and so they're looking for purpose, They're looking for meaning.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: That is what is making them vulnerable to this kind
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: of radical ideology that a reasonable person would read it
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: and go, wow, this sounds like hell on Earth. Absolutely,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not signing us.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: So just before you go, everything you said is absolutely true.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: There's one more thing and that we should add. When
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: you bring people into a Western culture and their entire
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: worldview is that the Western culture is licentious, it's evil,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: it's crude, and then they are ghetto or ghettoised is
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: that a word that they're basically a ghetto where they're
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: shielded from the rest of the culture and they are
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: taught that the culture around them is evil. They're a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: prime target for radicalization.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Especially in our universities, we're very cognizant of the fact
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: they're already being told the West is crap, our history
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: is just something to be so ashamed of, where the
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: worst and they aren't told about the incredible empire of
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Western civilization, what it was built upon, the Christian values, etc.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: So they're already taught to be ashamed of it, look
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: down on it, and then they tap into an ideology
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: like this that is like, yes, it's inferior in every
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: way and disgusting, So you should join our club because
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: you guys are on a terrible path you always have been,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: and welcome.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Well, if your culture is denigrated enough, you'll eventually go
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: looking for another one, And if it's denigrated enough that
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: you start to believe it's bad, you might convince yourself
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: it's worth fighting against. And this is where these kids
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: end up. And as you say that, the problem is
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: not so much the Internet, that the Internet makes it
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: much easier to radicalize young men. So it is now
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: more easy to radicalize a young man or a young
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: person than it has ever been in history, which means
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: it is more important to fight against radical Islam than
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: it has ever been in history. But of course we
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: don't have that discussion about all. You know, radical Islam
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: is more of a danger now than it's ever been.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: It's the discussion around will the modes that they use
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: to get to them? Who cares what modes they use
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: to get to them? You have to get down to
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: the ideology itself. Trying to deal with the mode is
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: like putting a band aid over a wound. And then
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: pretending it's not there. Unless you cut a cancer out,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: the cancer will continue to spread through your body. And
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: so you have to wonder then why. The boss of ASIO,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Mike Burgess, went on the ABC yesterday morning on Insiders
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: and was asked whether people who have expressed support or
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: sympathy for Hamas should be allowed to come into the country,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: and Mike Burgess gave this sort of all over the
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: shop answered, you know, oh, well, if they given money
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: to them, yeah, we probably shouldn't have them. But if
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: they've just you know, rhetorically given to support to Hamas,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: no problem. If they've expressed any support or sympathy for Hamas, is.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: That a problem. Depends on the know what that looks like.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: If they're supportive because they want their homeland. If they're
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: giving financial support or material aid, that can be a problem.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: And obviously we take each case on its merits and
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: the context of the information we have before us. But
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: if it's just rhetorical support, if it's just rhetorical re
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: support and they don't have an ideology or support for
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: a violent extreme as an ideology, then that's not a problem.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: If they have a support for that idergy, that will
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: be a problem.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Just back up from it. They've given rhetorical support to Hamas,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: which is a terrorist organization which believes that Israel shouldn't exist,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: that believes the Jews should be wiped out. They're given
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: rhetorical support to Hamas, but they don't believe in any
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: sort of extremist ideology. How does that work? Like, how can.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Support isn't support?
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I know, And how can the man who yesterday
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: not yesterday last week stood up with the Prime Minister
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: and raise the terror threat from possible to probable then
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: say there could be situations where it's okay to import
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: people who support a terrorist organization into the country.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: For the head of ASIO to say that rhetorical support
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: is okay as long as you don't have the ideology
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: you know deep inside, well, he should listen to a
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: famous Jew who once said, out of the abundance of
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the heart, the mouth speaks. If you are cheering for
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: people to behead Jews, but as long as you yourself
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: don't do the beheading, that's okay. That's ridiculous. But did
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you also note he equivocated on if they're providing material
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: or financial support, that could be a problem. What do
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you mean it could be a problem. That's automatic disqualification.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: We are more and we're being protected by absolute fools.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I could not believe that interview. This is the same
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: man who said in December that pro Palestinian marches every
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: weekend around our city calling for Israel to be wiped
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: from the map are a good pressure release and.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: There's just blowing off scene. It's fine, you guys, Thank goodness.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Senator James Patterson then took the mic to slap this down.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: What we all wouldn't give to see this guy in
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: charge of Azio and heck our borders, our immigration. Listen
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: to what he had to say and see if you
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: don't resonate.
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  Speaker 6: MUSS a listed terrorist organization. It has political objectives which
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: it believes should be achieved through violence, and anybody who
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: supports using violent means to achieve political objectives is not
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: welcome in Australia and should not come to Australia. But
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: if you support using attacks like the seventh October, which
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: killed the largest number of Jews since the end of
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: the Holocaust, twelve hundred people on one day and kidnapped
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: hundreds more, then I don't think you should come to
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: this country. I mean we should ask ourselves. Will our
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: country be stronger, bring hamas supporters in. Will we be
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: more united? Will we be more cohesive? Will our problems
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: of andty seventism be better or will they be worse?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Absolutely well, said Senator James Pattison. We're going to go
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to a break. When we come back, we'll look at
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: what tomorrow's papers are reporting, including school teachers to use
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: AI chatbots to set your child's homework. That's coming up
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: from the moment. Welcome back. Well, let's take a look
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: at what's making news in tomorrow's papers. And Caleb. With
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the Paris Games now over, the talk is turning to
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Brisbane in twenty thirty two.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed it is the career Mail says tomorrow. Don't shame
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: the games. Sally fears Brisbane twenty thirty two will embarrass us.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Brisbane risks embarrassing Australia on the world stage in twenty
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: thirty two and falling well short of Paris if it
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: sticks with a lackluster, no frills athletics stadium in the Suburbs.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Olympic Great and Queensland Golden Girl Sally Pearson has worn
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: because of course they're going to have the Athletics supposedly
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: at Cusack, which is out in bloody whoop woop. Right,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: and look, the trouble that the Queensland state government is
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: in is that the Brisbane Olympics is meant to be
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: the blueprint going forward for how you can host the
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Olympics without bankrupting a city or a country. Right, so
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: they've kind of got to do a budget version of
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: the Olympics in some way, otherwise it will get to
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: the point because it's just becoming so expensive that no
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: one will want to bid for it anymore. But for
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: heaven's sake, like, surely we can do better than sending
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: them to Cusack, which has been there forever in a day,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: which is so far out of the city that no
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: one will want to go there. Like you do actually
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: have to invest some money in making the Olympics work
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: because you look at Paris and I know that the
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: opening ceremony was it was a bit lackluster in many ways,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: et cetera.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: But your blasphemy, but.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: You look at the setting that they is from aside
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: from that, but.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Also we've heard about the swimmers throwing up they all
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: got after swimming the river hardboard beds everywhere within forty
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: eight hours. There's no dairy because we're all doing this
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: climate communism, diet welcome elite athletes of the world. The
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: no air conditioning. When I read this headline, I was like,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: don't shame the games. I think Paris has already drunk
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: that beer.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: The thing that Paris work, I think the Paris.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: We go on.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned the beds, the food, et cetera.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: You know, there's one part of the Olympic village I
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: didn't see anyone else talk about. And I read it
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the other day the toilet brushes in the athletes rooms
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: where they called them reclaimed toilet brushes where they were
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: reclaimed from. But I mean that was the worst. What
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the anyway? With that thought in mind, going.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure about what I was going to say.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: The version of the toilet is that Paris has the backdrop, right,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: and I mean, you know, looked at the venting and
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: the Eiffel It was just it's a beautiful setting. I mean,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Brisbane's got what the Brisbane River, that's what we're looking at.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: So we've we're going to be on the world stage.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Brisbane is going to be broadcast into every country in
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: the world, and broadcasters will pay exorbitant sums of money
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: to pay for this to be broadcast on their networks.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: And then we're going to serve them up the Brisbane
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: River and cusack like it will be an embarrassment people
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: on the other side of the Australia ge. I'm not
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: going to go there anymore. What a dump I reckon.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: They should just toss it out the window. Have it
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: back in Sydney. Homebush is still good to go. We'll
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: give it spit and polish and Sydney, as we all know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: is the most beautiful city in this country and has
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: all the national icons right here. What more could you want, Australia.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Please vote now to the front page of the Herald
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Sun now games for free. We're talking about the Commonwealth
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Games this time. Glasgow is set to host the twenty
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: twenty six Commonwealth Games for as little as three hundred
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: million dollars after Victoria banned in the event, saying it
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: would cost taxpayers up to seven billion. What were you doing, Victoria?
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Commonwealth Games Scotland chairman he and Reid said he was
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: hopeful Glasgow would be confirmed as host of a scaled
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: back games within days. Get this, So the bulk of
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: the three hundred million is going to be footed by
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: the Victorian government anyway, to the tune of two hundred million.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: So Glasgow gets to host it and only chalks up
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: one hundred mili.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: A credit card is a wonderful thing, Liz and the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Victorian government, they know how to swipe. The reason Glasgow
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: were doing it so much cheaper is they came up
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: with this brilliant idea that no one's ever thought of before. Right,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: They're going to have the games in like one central place. No, yeah,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: see Victoria. They were going to have a bit in Indigo,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a bit in Horsham, a bit in Shepherdon, a bit everywhere.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: The cost were bananas. Glasgow actually doing it properly and
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: are able to afford it, unlike Daniel Andrews' plan, which
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: was basically to guarner votes from regional areas in preparation
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: for an election, and whether they have held the games
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: or not was kind of irrelevant. Now they're not.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Second Slash on front of the hun victims snubbed youth
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: crime crisis, moved to outlaw grieving families from having a
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: say in juveniles offender's release on parole. Are you kidding me? No,
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: they're not. Victims of youth crime would be banned from
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: having a say over whether offenders are released on parole
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: under justice system reforms. The proposal, dubbed a snub to victims,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: comes as the government seats to tough and bail laws
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: a mid community angst over rampaging teams. You'd think if
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: you were looking to toughen bail laws a mid community angst,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: the last thing you would do is gag the victims
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: and their families when you're talking about should this person
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: get let out on bail or not.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Well, we're talking about parole here and not bail, right,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: So you've already been locked up. They want to toughen
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: the bail laws. But if you're getting parole, you've been
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: locked up, you've been in prison, and so a parole
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: board should have the ability to talk to victims' families
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: before they make a decision about whether they let someone out.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: And I'll be very interested to talk to a friend
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: of mine who used to be the chair of the
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: children's parole board in Victoria about what all of this means,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: because if you're going to say Okay, we're going to
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: let someone else. We're going to let someone out, and
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: then you can't go and say to someone who's been
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: affected by them how you're feeling. Would you feel safe
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: with them on the street. What's the job of the
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: parole board? Are they just going to be a rubber stamp.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I don't get it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got to try and asstate whether this person
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: has been reformed or whatever. That would be the question
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: they ask. But you're right to not have victims speak
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: into that decision. Seems a little silly, especially when they
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: keep going on about how they're trying to fix crime issues.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Incredible scenes in Cans early this morning. Great photo on
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the front of the Cans post crash probe. Unauthorized chopper
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: was stolen from airport in all the early hours fatal
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: flights as the headline. A helicopter on an unauthorized flight
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I guess unauthorized means stolen crashed into the roof of
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: a Cans waterfront hotel, killing the pilot and forcing the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: evacuation of hundreds of people. Police have confirmed the pilot
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: and single occupant of the aircraft was found dead at
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the scene. This was the Hilton hotel I think in
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Cans and an elderly couple were fast asleep at one
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: fifty am when a helicopter literally flew into the side
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of their hotel room. They weren't injured, taking to hospital
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: precaution area, I guess, but it's a miracle they weren't killed.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: It's extreme this, and please still trying to work out
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the identity of the person who took the helicopter. Clearly
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: they were able to fly, because there are reports this
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: helicopter was in the air for around an hour before
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: it actually crashed, but no one knew it was in
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the air because there was no flight path logged or
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: anything like that.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: And when he's such an idiot, thankfully the only person
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: who's killed is himself. You know, well done, mate. But
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: I have been drunk, and I've never been so drunk
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: in my life that I've thought I'm going to go
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: and steal a helicopter and try to fly it around Cans. Like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: how out of your brain do you have to be? Like?
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: You know, stealing a car is one thing that's bad enough,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: but imagine thing, I'm going to steal a helicopter a
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: thinking you'd ever be able to get away with that.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: You can't just go and dump a car out the
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: back of a park and set it on fire a helicopter.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: What was going through this man's head?
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out over the next few weeks.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: But the bizarre new trend, the way people are occupying
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: themselves on long haul flights, will show you. Okay, well,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: if you've ever been on a long haul flight, you'll
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: know the dilemma how to amuse yourself until you get
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: to your destination. Well, there's a new trend that's gone
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: viral on social media. It's called raw dogging, where people
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: on long haul flights sit and stare straight ahead at
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the navigation map, occupied only by their own thoughts. The
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: current record holder is Damon Bailey, who, for thirteen point
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: five hours from Shanghai to Dallas sat and stared without
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: saying a word or doing anything. Here's a social media
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: influencer explaining, see.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Now a flight across the world, no music, no movies,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: ride dogget stare at the flight mapping entire away.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure it's a trend. I think that's
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: just Jetstar. But this whole phenomena. Really, I think came
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: from a famous Seinfeld scene.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: You want something to read, nuck?
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Are you going to take a nap? Or you're just
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: gonna sit there staring at the back of the seat.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: I can't take it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I sympathize. I reckon if someone was sitting beside me
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: on a flight doing nothing, I'd get annoyed if it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Would be a bit disconcerting. I thought raw dogging was
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: what you did when you wanted to join the male
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: High Club. But anyway, but you just do what I
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: do and drink on the flight. If you drink enough,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about anything else. I love this.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: This is so like stoic. It's like I don't need
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: to constantly distract myself and detain my boat, watch a movie,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: read another book.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Down alcohol.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: But before we leave you tonight, we've got to tell
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: you about this woman in Illinois who stole two point
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: two million dollars worth of chicking where from her school district.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: She worked at the school for ten years and then
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: decided maybe they weren't paying her enough. She ordered more
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: than eleven thousand cases of chicken wings from the school
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: district's food provider and then got a district cargo van
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: to pick it up. The school didn't even notice this
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: had happened until a mid year audit picked up on
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: the fact that they had spent a heck of a
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: lot of money on chicken wings and they did not
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: have that many chicken wings in their order. I mean,
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Vera a Little, her name is Vera Little. I'm not
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: sure whether this is Does this make her legendary? What
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: do you do with that many chicken wings?
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: She was never going to get away with it because
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: they don't even serve chicken wings to the kids because
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: of the bones, So it was even on the menu.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: That's all we've got time for, but don't go anywhere.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Coming right up is the red Penneesio