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Trade Deadline Instant Reaction · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the balt Nowork A Detroit Tigers Podcast. I'm Kierence Deckley
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Speaker 1: with me as always as a man that I hold
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Speaker 1: more dear than the Tigers hold their top prospects.
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Speaker 2: And how you doing that would require a pretty tight
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Speaker 2: hug there, Like here in the trade deadline just passed.
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Speaker 2: These things are always hard to talk about. I am
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Speaker 2: not gonna have coherent thoughts. I'm not gonna be able
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Speaker 2: to analyze these players as in depth as I would like,
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Speaker 2: because my head's everywhere. I've been staring at three screens
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Speaker 2: all day. I guess from the jump, my quick take
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Speaker 2: is this doesn't seem like a great deadline for the Tigers,
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Speaker 2: and yet I believe it or not. I think the
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Speaker 2: outrage on Twitter is probably a little bit over the top.
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Speaker 2: So I think we're gonna devote this episode to kind
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Speaker 2: of trying to arrive at the right way to feel
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Speaker 2: about this deadline. I wish they would have done a
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Speaker 2: little more specifically in the bullpen. We were never calling
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Speaker 2: for Joan Duran, we were never calling for Eohanio Suarez,
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Speaker 2: we were never calling for Sandy al Contra. But you
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Speaker 2: look around, and it feels like a lot of marginal
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Speaker 2: moves that, while they do probably improve the team the bullpen, somewhat,
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Speaker 2: it's hard to walk away like excited, especially when you
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Speaker 2: look at some other moves teams around the league were making.
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Speaker 1: Yes, this is a again, we're recording this just a
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Speaker 1: couple hours after the deadline, So this is a feel
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Speaker 1: podcast like that. I like that you brought that word
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Speaker 1: in there, the F word podcast, the F word being feel,
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Speaker 1: because on one hand, it does feel like you went
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Speaker 1: to the grocery store and you were intent on getting
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Speaker 1: like a t bone steak or a rabbi, but you
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Speaker 1: didn't really like the price point and you and so
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Speaker 1: you decide, all right, I'll get some hamburger at this price,
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Speaker 1: maybe a couple of pork chops, and you and you
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Speaker 1: and you can feel good about not over paying for
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Speaker 1: something that you that you wanted, but at the same time,
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Speaker 1: you're also not eating steak tonight, and so you gotta,
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Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta realize, like that's that, that's the
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Speaker 1: that's the cost, and another another way of using that word.
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Speaker 1: And you know, just before we get too far into
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Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings, Charlie Morton, Kyle Finnigan, Raphael Montero, Paul Sewald,
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Speaker 1: Chris Paddock and Uh obviously already there, Cody Higher here,
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Speaker 1: Cure Uh and Randy Randy Dobnach and then technically speaking,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Quinnez is also but he's a single aite player,
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Speaker 1: so you know, it doesn't affect the major league product.
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Speaker 1: So those are So this is essentially a pitching supplement deadline.
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Speaker 2: For the Tigers.
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Speaker 1: And I can't get discip pointed Cody like like a
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Speaker 1: lot of people are on Tiger's Twitter because quite frankly,
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Speaker 1: I kind of expected something like this to happen. We
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Speaker 1: had talked about this. It's like, here's what here's here's
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Speaker 1: what's what I'm gonna do on Thursday. And this is
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Speaker 1: exactly what I did. I said, I'm gonna get They're
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Speaker 1: gonna require you know, Kyle Finnigan, and I'm gonna go
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Speaker 1: in there and I'm gonna look at his baseball Savont
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Speaker 1: page and i'mna be like, yep, that's why ground ball pitcher.
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Speaker 1: And and then I'm gonna go to you know, Montero,
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Speaker 1: and then like and with Ray, okay, that that percentile,
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Speaker 1: Oh that's why and they're just gonna try to get
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Speaker 1: all these little pieces, these little assets to try to
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Speaker 1: form a more cohesive bullpen, or at least have more
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Speaker 1: options in the bullpen. And from that perspective, the Tigers
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Speaker 1: were largely successful. This is probably the only publication podcast
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Speaker 1: anything that the phrase the Tigers were very successful will
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Speaker 1: be uttered because in their minds, I think they are
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Speaker 1: and they never ventured out of character like it. Once
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Speaker 1: you some price points for some other guys, like you
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Speaker 1: could kind of see like yeah, not like what the
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Speaker 1: Diamondbacks got for Merrill Kelly is like yeah, I don't
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Speaker 1: really expect the Tigers to do that, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean?
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Speaker 2: And so yeah, but you also look at some other deals.
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Speaker 2: The Ryan Helsley deal, the Cardinals got three prospects from
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Speaker 2: the Mets. Three prospects feels like a lot. I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure the quality of those prospects were held in great demand.
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Speaker 2: I think the Tigers have a good enough and deep
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Speaker 2: enough farm system. They could have put together a similar,
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Speaker 2: if not better package. And we're not talking up given
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Speaker 2: Max Clark or Kevin McGonagall or even Tyron Loronzo. You
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Speaker 2: dig a little deeper into their system. I think they
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Speaker 2: could have put together a competitive package. And I think,
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Speaker 2: especially in the bullpen, this is where it gets to
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Speaker 2: be a difficult conversation.
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Speaker 3: You.
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Speaker 2: I tried to mention this a while back. You are
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Speaker 2: getting a relief pitcher for two months. Best case scenario,
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Speaker 2: maybe this guy's gonna be where one point zero war?
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Speaker 2: So how much better is Ryan Helsley going to be
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Speaker 2: than Kyle Finnegan down the stretch? Realistically, he might not
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Speaker 2: be that much better, at least if we're judging the
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Speaker 2: game through the lens of like wins above replacement. Literally,
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Speaker 2: it's hard for any reliever in that short of a
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Speaker 2: time for him to be that much better than a
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Speaker 2: replacement player. I think that's one reason the Tigers did
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Speaker 2: not deem these guys worth the high asking prices, especially
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Speaker 2: if it's a rental type relief pitcher. But again, when
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Speaker 2: you were in first place, when you were pushing for
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Speaker 2: the World Series, how important is war? How important is
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Speaker 2: winning every deal? I think my colleague Stephen Nesbit at
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Speaker 2: the Athletics summed it up well. He believed it or
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Speaker 2: not included the Tigers as losers of the trade deadline.
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Speaker 2: But let's look at what he wrote. He talked about, Hey,
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Speaker 2: the Tigers were active. They made a lot of deals.
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Speaker 2: I was very busy all day. But then he said,
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Speaker 2: where are the bats? Where the stuff laid? Inning relievers?
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Speaker 2: The issue is not that the Tigers lost the individual traits.
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Speaker 2: It's that they were so unwilling to overpay on elite
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Speaker 2: relievers that they didn't come close to landing any of them. Instead,
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Speaker 2: they incrementally improved and didn't raid their prospects. Stash feels
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Speaker 2: great until it's the ninth inning of a playoff game
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Speaker 2: and you could have had Ryan Helsley or David Bednar
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Speaker 2: trotting in from the bullpen. I think that's a pretty
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Speaker 2: nice way to sum this up. We could go deal
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Speaker 2: by deal. Tigers might not lose any of them. If
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Speaker 2: Rafael Montero unlocked something and has the nice August and September,
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Speaker 2: the Tigers may. We may look on this when we
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Speaker 2: analyze it by war to sum up the Scott Harris era, however,
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Speaker 2: many years from now and be like, oh, that was okay,
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Speaker 2: but did you do enough to give your team a
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Speaker 2: better shot to win the World Series? Even if we're
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Speaker 2: talking one or two wins, that could be the difference
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Speaker 2: between a buy and having to go into a snake
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Speaker 2: pit during the wild card round and hope you can
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Speaker 2: win two a three. I think these things matter, and
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Speaker 2: that's why I wish the Tigers would have done a
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Speaker 2: little more. I'm not saying a lot more. I'm saying
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Speaker 2: a little more. Maybe one really trustworthy, proven back in
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Speaker 2: caliber reliever who's healthy. Because Paul Sewald is actually all
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Speaker 2: those things. He's just not going to pitch until September.
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Speaker 2: Because although it was probably better than Luke Jackson Chase Lee,
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Speaker 2: you know your bullpen gets a little better. I think
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Speaker 2: through these moves. Kyle Finnigan, this guy's been a closer.
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Speaker 2: It's guy was an All Star last year. He's a
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Speaker 2: good pitcher, doesn't really get swinging missed, which is such
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Speaker 2: a pressing need, but he does some good things. I'm
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Speaker 2: rambling here, Karen, So where do you want to take
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Speaker 2: this thing next?
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Speaker 1: Well, and I encourage everybody to watch this on YouTube
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Speaker 1: if you could pull up the you know, the the
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Speaker 1: graphic there again, Cody that this is so perfectly written
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Speaker 1: that it's almost one of those Really nothing more needs
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Speaker 1: to be said is that they were so unwilling to
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Speaker 1: overpay on elite relievers. I mean, that's it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's it, like and and and like that could also
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Speaker 1: be a compliment, by the way, like a different in
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Speaker 1: a different context of what we're talking about here. And then,
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Speaker 1: like I did want to go to one thought that
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Speaker 1: I had throughout the day when the when the moves
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Speaker 1: were kind of slowly coming out and you saw all
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Speaker 1: these guys either rumored to other teams or eventually you know,
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Speaker 1: went to other teams. One of the things that I
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Speaker 1: was looking for that did not come about was a
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Speaker 1: Glabor Torres type move. And what I mean by that
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Speaker 1: is like something outside the box of what everybody is anticipating.
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Speaker 1: But when it happens, you go, oh, that makes a
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Speaker 1: lot of sense. Maybe it's not as natural fit as
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Speaker 1: anything else that we were expecting, but it raises the
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Speaker 1: floor of this team in you know some fashion, like uh,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know we had talked about, but like
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Speaker 1: a really Castro type fil you know, something like that
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Speaker 1: where it's like it adds another wrinkle to the team
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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, Okay, that didn't happen. That was
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Speaker 1: probably if I were to say, like disappointed as much
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Speaker 1: as like getting seven pictures is kind of a revamping
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Speaker 1: of your pitching staff. I never really I never really
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Speaker 1: thought like, oh, okay, like here's here's a new wrinkle
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Speaker 1: to the team that they're adding. Even if you get
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Speaker 1: seven new pictures, it's not really none of these guys
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Speaker 1: are new wrinkles. I was kind of hoping for something
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Speaker 1: that was closer to like a new wrinkle, even because
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Speaker 1: I anticipated they weren't gonna make the asking price for
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Speaker 1: a lot of these top guys. So and you know,
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Speaker 1: and we don't know what conversations we had that didn't
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Speaker 1: come about. Not everybody that you thought should have been
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Speaker 1: traded was traded, So you know, there's obviously a lot
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Speaker 1: that we don't know. But we're gonna take a quick break.
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Speaker 1: But afterward, we're pretty soon after Cody heard from Scott Harris,
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Speaker 1: so we're gonna ask for Cody's thoughts on Scott Harris's
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Speaker 1: Now, All right, coming back here, Like like I said before,
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Speaker 1: Cody had has just heard from Scott Harris. He met
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Speaker 1: with the local media as is tradition, And I'm guessing
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Speaker 1: I could guess what what Scott Harris's tone and and
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Speaker 1: and and and what he said and like what his
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Speaker 1: real message was. But you you heard it. You heard
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Speaker 1: it yourself, so why don't you take it away?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you you can. Like most things,
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Speaker 2: I don't really disagree with any of the points Scott
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Speaker 2: Harris made, but if we dive into I think the
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Speaker 2: gist of what he said a lot of it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: here's a quote. A lot of the moves we passed
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Speaker 2: on felt like moves that were going to haunt us
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Speaker 2: for many years to come. We felt like we have
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Speaker 2: one of the best, if not the best farm system
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Speaker 2: in all of baseball. We felt like, at this moment
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Speaker 2: in time in this organization, giving up young players to
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Speaker 2: chase short term fixes is not the best interest to that.
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Speaker 1: Probably could have predicted.
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Speaker 2: Scott would say something like that, right, and that's all
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Speaker 2: fine and good. Clearly they were focused on the future,
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Speaker 2: and I don't know there was a lot of talk
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Speaker 2: around the league about two teams covet prospects too much.
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Speaker 2: I think at this deadline, the Tigers are the hallmark,
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Speaker 2: are the showcase of a team that really valued as prospects. Again,
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Speaker 2: it's fair to draw comparisons to what the Orioles have
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Speaker 2: done in past years, and that has not served the
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Speaker 2: Orioles well. And I think I don't think teams around
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Speaker 2: the league were thrilled with the Tigers either. Every time
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Speaker 2: every year this time of year, I hear people complaining
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Speaker 2: about Scott Harris that he is difficult to deal with
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Speaker 2: from a baseball perspective. I think that was loud as
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Speaker 2: ever this year. The Tigers are very hardline negotiators. Maybe
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Speaker 2: that can serve them well. I also do worry that's
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Speaker 2: getting a point like our relationships eroding with other clubs
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Speaker 2: to where it could hurt the Tigers in future death lines.
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Speaker 2: I was in communication with some people from rival teams today.
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Speaker 2: The word embarrassing was thrown around regarding the Tigers deadline,
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Speaker 2: talking about being overly allegiant to their models, these project
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Speaker 2: type guys like Rafael Montero. Scott Harris did say he
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Speaker 2: kind of rejects the premise that these are all projects,
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Speaker 2: and I agree. Kyle Finigan's not a project. Kyle Finnigan's
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Speaker 2: a very proven, consistent, quality major league reliever. A little
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Speaker 2: bit down in the first half, but this guy's pretty good.
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Speaker 2: I am just worried that he doesn't get swing and miss.
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Speaker 2: I think Montero is a million percent of project. He
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Speaker 2: does some nice things he also walks a lot of guys.
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Speaker 2: Harris pointed, you know, his walk rate since May one
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Speaker 2: is closer to ten percent, which is still I believe
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Speaker 2: above league average, but I suppose more manageable. Paul Seawald
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Speaker 2: has been a very good pitcher, probably a couple of
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Speaker 2: years past his prime. He's hurt. We'll see. Cody Heuer
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Speaker 2: is going to report to Triple A. I actually kind
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Speaker 2: of like him. He's got some extension, pretty good fastball.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll pitch in a major league,
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Speaker 2: but he's he interests me as much as any of
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Speaker 2: the guys they got. Uh So, maybe we should just
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Speaker 2: talk about the money. Quote which I think was Harr's
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Speaker 2: talking about Schooble and the window.
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Speaker 1: Karen, Yeah, so we'll read it and again, if you
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Speaker 1: should watch this on YouTube, you can read yourself. But
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Speaker 1: this is Scott Harris speaking to the media. I think
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Speaker 1: this idea of a window is an illusion. I think
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent in this organization. I think
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Speaker 1: all Star Break to All Star Break, we have the
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Speaker 1: most wins in all of Major League Baseball, and Trek
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Speaker 1: Scooble most certainly leading the way and has been leading
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Speaker 1: the way here, I'm not looking at this as a window.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean I'm shorting the present. I can't believe
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Speaker 1: you use the term for shorting. It does not mean
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Speaker 1: I'm shorting the present for the future by any means.
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Speaker 1: But this whole idea of a window is not really
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Speaker 1: filtering into my head because it's my job to get
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Speaker 1: to the postseason every single year if I can't, so
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Speaker 1: that this is the perfect example. My first thoughts on this, Cody,
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Speaker 1: this is the perfect exa sample of organizational disconnect from
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Speaker 1: general baseball discourse, and like could be a bad thing,
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Speaker 1: could be a good thing. But like every single person
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Speaker 1: that covers the game that I would probably say is
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Speaker 1: in the game to a certain extent, would look at
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Speaker 1: this as like you got schoogle for this year next year,
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Speaker 1: nothing else is guaranteed, nothing else is guaranteed, and so
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Speaker 1: this is your best time to win. And that is
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Speaker 1: Scott Harris his own words, rejecting that notion, like flat
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Speaker 1: out and so like so like you talk about, like
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Speaker 1: you know, being difficult to work with, too loyal to models,
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Speaker 1: and blah blahlah blah, like that's all kind of in
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Speaker 1: the weeds, somewhat speculation. People could be having sour grapes,
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Speaker 1: you know, like all that stuff. This is not that.
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Speaker 1: This is him saying our way. I'm not gonna say
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Speaker 1: my way because I think he does value his teammates there.
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Speaker 1: Our way is our way, and we're not deviating it
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Speaker 1: because you think that we should go all in because
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Speaker 1: we have schoobl under team control for another eighteen months.
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Speaker 1: So that that is your president of Baseball Operations laying
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Speaker 1: it flat out. Is that a problem? Maybe maybe it is,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's not, But it's not a ringing endorsement of
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Speaker 1: a team that is at or near first place in
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Speaker 1: baseball with the best picture. UH has a chance to
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Speaker 1: do something that no American league has done since Roger Clemons.
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Speaker 2: I'd love to know Trek Scoobel's unfiltered thoughts and unfiltered
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Speaker 2: thoughts of other guys in that clubhouse. In a way,
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Speaker 2: it's a voted confidence of every single guy in that clubhouse.
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Speaker 2: They didn't go get another hitter. It's basically Scott saying, hey,
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Speaker 2: I think you guys. You guys are solid. You guys
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Speaker 2: can do this. And in a way, if you're a
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Speaker 2: guy at the top of that roster and you're having
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Speaker 2: a great year and you really want to get yourself
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Speaker 2: a ring and you're like really like got some more
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Speaker 2: kind of fringy type pictures, and Kyle Finigan, who's like
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Speaker 2: pretty good. And but I look across the aisle and
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Speaker 2: Aj Preller is going and getting his team Mason Miller,
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Speaker 2: which is an extreme example, of course, but there's some
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Speaker 2: other teams, man the Mets, that were very active that
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Speaker 2: got more dominant arms to bolster their bullpen. I'm looking
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Speaker 2: at that and going, hey, why aren't we doing that here?
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Speaker 2: It's a fair question to ask. If you're a young player.
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Speaker 2: Maybe you're excited because the Tigers do have a good
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Speaker 2: farm system, but we all know counting on prospects is
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Speaker 2: a dangerous thing. And again we're not talking about just
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Speaker 2: the Tigers' top five or six prospects here. They traded
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Speaker 2: am I right, they traded one top thirty prospect, Josh Randall,
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Speaker 2: who was their number fifteen prospect, solid pitcher.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I.
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Speaker 2: Don't know, Like I don't know, man. I think I
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Speaker 2: think a lot of these guys are going to be
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Speaker 2: replaceable players, or you could even view it. The Tigers
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Speaker 2: are so good at identifying from waivers or DFAs from
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Speaker 2: other teams, like they can probably replicate that production on
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Speaker 2: the cheap elsewhere. I don't know that you need all
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Speaker 2: all thirty plus top prospects to have a sustainable winner.
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Speaker 2: I think that's important to consider here. It's a hard discussion,
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Speaker 2: right do you go quote unquote all in? I don't know,
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Speaker 2: but I think you can do a little bit of
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Speaker 2: the in between to give more value to a team
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Speaker 2: that isn't in first place, that does have a real
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Speaker 2: shot to do something special this year. Right now, you're
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Speaker 2: hoping Kyle Finingen has a better second half, and you're
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Speaker 2: hoping Paul Seawald gets healthy and is Paul Sewald of
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Speaker 2: two years ago, And you're hoping one of these other
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Speaker 2: guys you acquired pitch as well, and is that gonna
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Speaker 2: be enough. We haven't even talked about Charlie Morton yet,
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Speaker 2: who's been had quite the interesting first half. He has
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Speaker 2: been better of late. You'll get this rotation out here
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Speaker 2: in Schooble Myz can be really good. He's been up
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Speaker 2: and down. He's going through a rough spell. Flaharty, it's
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Speaker 2: been really up and down this year, going through a
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Speaker 2: betterspell lately, Chris Paddock, it's been a fourth or fifth
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Speaker 2: starter his entire career. Charlie Morton. This guy's forty one
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Speaker 2: years old. I don't know that that feels to me
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Speaker 2: like a great starting rotation right now. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how confident I feel about that.
19:20
Speaker 1: In the playoffs, well, again, I think they just kind
19:23
Speaker 1: of told you that they're less worried about starting rotations
19:27
Speaker 1: and playoffs and more and more.
19:29
Speaker 2: Didn't go get a starter like I wanted at least.
19:32
Speaker 1: I think I think a good way to kind of
19:36
Speaker 1: like summarize what we've been talking about for the past
19:38
Speaker 1: like twenty ish minutes is I think there's a lot
19:43
Speaker 1: of its fair x. I think it's fair to say
19:46
Speaker 1: that they definitely didn't rest on their laurels in terms
19:49
Speaker 1: of what of the bullpen that everyone knows was a problem,
19:54
Speaker 1: so they didn't do nothing. They acquired a lot of
19:57
Speaker 1: additional assets. I think it's fair to say that, like,
20:02
Speaker 1: it's probably not worth trading your top prospects for you know,
20:06
Speaker 1: rental players or guys with another year of control. I
20:10
Speaker 1: think that's also fair to say. It's also fair to
20:12
Speaker 1: say that they were not the only team that operated
20:16
Speaker 1: with the notion of we're not going to give up
20:18
Speaker 1: our best assets, but we're still gonna, you know, for
20:21
Speaker 1: lack of a better way to phrase it, kind of
20:23
Speaker 1: headline improve our team. Like you you list out the
20:27
Speaker 1: Yankees and the Match like these are active teams that
20:29
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily give up everything. It's also fair to say
20:33
Speaker 1: that some of these other teams have been perennial playoff
20:35
Speaker 1: teams of years past, and so their window, if we're
20:39
Speaker 1: going to use that term, is like more on the
20:42
Speaker 1: back end potentially than the Tigers, who have obviously just
20:45
Speaker 1: entered their window. I think it's also fair to say
20:47
Speaker 1: that there's not a sense of urgency to win your
20:51
Speaker 1: division because the Twins basically got rid of their entire roster,
20:56
Speaker 1: the Guardians, you know, Shairway Bieber, the Class A Thing
21:01
Speaker 1: Wingers and uh and obviously you got Seawall from them
21:05
Speaker 1: as well. The Royals did do some good things. So
21:07
Speaker 1: I'm not completely dismissing the division. But it's not like
21:10
Speaker 1: you're in the American leagues and it's not like you're
21:12
Speaker 1: competing right now right now. It's not like you're competing
21:16
Speaker 1: with all these like the Rangers and all these teams
21:19
Speaker 1: that made like kind of big time moves to try
21:21
Speaker 1: to separate themselves in the wildcard race. You're separate from
21:25
Speaker 1: that in a way, so there's a little bit of
21:27
Speaker 1: a cushion there should you be shooting higher. Like, I
21:30
Speaker 1: understand all that, but I'm saying it's fair to say
21:32
Speaker 1: that there's a cushion there for what they can try
21:35
Speaker 1: to do here in the you know, kind of last
21:37
Speaker 1: two months of the season, and so all that stuff
21:41
Speaker 1: can be true and it can still be underwhelming. Somebody
21:43
Speaker 1: text me like, what did you think of their return
21:45
Speaker 1: of the trade deadline? I was like, well, underwhelming, not unsurprising,
21:50
Speaker 1: and I think that might be the I think that
21:53
Speaker 1: might be the best way to phrase it. So I
21:56
Speaker 1: did want to just address a couple what I would
21:59
Speaker 1: say would be lingering questions in the immedia aftermath. And
22:03
Speaker 1: we're gonna, like I said, we're gonna talk about this more.
22:05
Speaker 1: So this is just kind of like instant reaction stuff. Well,
22:08
Speaker 1: we'll see a little bit of sleep, but like how
22:10
Speaker 1: we think about about the trade deadline. But I think
22:14
Speaker 1: the number one question Cody is our American League contenders,
22:20
Speaker 1: which is you know, not a short list, because there's
22:23
Speaker 1: no like oh my god, team in the American League.
22:26
Speaker 1: Are American League contenders happy that the Tigers did not
22:31
Speaker 1: make a a monumental or just short of monumental move
22:38
Speaker 1: at the deadline. I kind of think yes, I.
22:41
Speaker 2: Kind of think absolutely yes. I mean, I don't think
22:44
Speaker 2: it necessarily would have been prudent to give up the
22:47
Speaker 2: prospect capital it probably would have taken to get a
22:50
Speaker 2: Uheneus Forrez or Mason Miller or whatever. But if the
22:55
Speaker 2: Tigers had done that and just parted with, you know,
23:00
Speaker 2: big time prospects, does people look getting like I'm scared
23:03
Speaker 2: of the Tigers right now? I would argue before this,
23:07
Speaker 2: I'd say, I don't know who the best team in
23:09
Speaker 2: the American League is. I think the Tigers certainly have
23:11
Speaker 2: a case for being the most complete team if they
23:14
Speaker 2: were able to improve their bullpit, and that's a must,
23:17
Speaker 2: and maybe they have. Right now, man, I'm thinking it's
23:20
Speaker 2: it's the Seattle Mariners, where the Texas Rangers like these
23:24
Speaker 2: are teams with very good pitching staffs. The Mariners very
23:28
Speaker 2: good pitching staff had been playing well offensively, and they
23:31
Speaker 2: just got two corner endfield power hitting types in Naylor
23:35
Speaker 2: and Sworez, Like they pushed themselves to a higher level,
23:40
Speaker 2: or the Tigers are kind of trying to brown things out.
23:43
Speaker 2: I guess if I am another team in the American League. Absolutely,
23:47
Speaker 2: I'm saying there's no reason to believe we can't beat
23:50
Speaker 2: the Tigers in the playoffs right now.
23:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there's definitely I will look
23:56
Speaker 1: at the Rangers as a sleeping giant series, whether it
24:01
Speaker 1: be three games, five games, seven games, like with that
24:03
Speaker 1: pitching staff and with you know, still very talented hitters
24:08
Speaker 1: like that, that's a team that could potentially scare me.
24:12
Speaker 1: It's not gonna lie and and Seattle credit to what
24:14
Speaker 1: they did. Uh, Obviously, the Yankees are the Yankees. The
24:17
Speaker 1: Blue Jays we just saw, so, like, you know this,
24:20
Speaker 1: this is not gonna be a cake walk once you
24:22
Speaker 1: get to October. Another question, I wrote this down before
24:27
Speaker 1: the Morton like trade was announced, so probably void, but
24:31
Speaker 1: I wrote it down, so I'm gonna say, like the
24:33
Speaker 1: fact that they didn't at the time I wrote this down,
24:36
Speaker 1: didn't get a starting pitcher. They obviously got Morton. Since then, like,
24:39
Speaker 1: is there any level and you think there's any level
24:41
Speaker 1: optimism that they might be able to use Olsen in
24:44
Speaker 1: the postseason, it's been a couple of days, they've done
24:46
Speaker 1: some more tests. Like if had they not gotten to
24:49
Speaker 1: starting pitcher, I would have said, like maybe there is
24:52
Speaker 1: uh now, I don't know, but I wrote it down.
24:55
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you have any inkling on that.
24:57
Speaker 2: Uh, I have no idea. If I had to guess,
24:59
Speaker 2: probably not. I mean, if this is an injury that's
25:01
Speaker 2: keeping him out for the regular season, I wonder what
25:04
Speaker 2: you know the ultimate diagnosis is gonna be, or what
25:07
Speaker 2: further testing is going to show, or like I said,
25:10
Speaker 2: regardless if Reese has missed two months, are you sure
25:13
Speaker 2: you want to just pop him back in there in
25:15
Speaker 2: the middle of a playoff series. I think the Tigers
25:17
Speaker 2: have more optimism on Jose or Kety coming back and
25:21
Speaker 2: doing something, whether it be rotation or maybe a swing
25:24
Speaker 2: man role. We should know Troy Melton's moving into the bullpen,
25:27
Speaker 2: which he might end up being pretty good back there.
25:31
Speaker 2: Maybe in a way that's a big bullpen edition, you know,
25:34
Speaker 2: sword innings, swing and miss stuff that's not nothing. And yeah,
25:40
Speaker 2: I think they have a lot writing when Jose Orchidi,
25:44
Speaker 2: although probably smartly like he's not as important. I guess
25:48
Speaker 2: now that you've at least got someone to start games.
25:51
Speaker 2: We'll see what Charlie Morton ended up providing it.
25:54
Speaker 1: And lastly, you know, what do you think we kind
25:57
Speaker 1: of touched on a little bit, but you know, off
26:00
Speaker 1: to see you're going to be in Philadelphia. Will talk
26:02
Speaker 1: about that this weekend, like what the clubhouse reaction is
26:05
Speaker 1: to most of these guys being involved as buyers at
26:07
Speaker 1: the trade deadline for the first time, and if there
26:11
Speaker 1: is some sort of vote of confidence that they feel
26:14
Speaker 1: or you know, or what they would admit or whatever.
26:17
Speaker 1: I'll be very curious about how the guys feel, especially
26:19
Speaker 1: the position players, because again, like it's it's kind of
26:22
Speaker 1: your deal. So so yeah, And one of the guys
26:27
Speaker 1: that you would imagine has that would have a vote
26:29
Speaker 1: of confidence is Zach McKinstry, who is our chart topper
26:37
Speaker 1: of the Week presented by DraftKings. So Zach McKinstry is
26:46
Speaker 1: a guy that I think, like, I'd love to see
26:51
Speaker 1: him get back going. Recently, Cody, he had the home
26:54
Speaker 1: run earlier this week and I was thinking and looking
26:57
Speaker 1: at the lineup one of the games either wins Day Tuesday, whatever,
27:00
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You know, it's like he's bat in
27:03
Speaker 1: seventh or something like that, you know, And I was like, man,
27:06
Speaker 1: how cool is it to write a lineup card and
27:08
Speaker 1: to have Zach McKinstry utility man, Star All Star and
27:14
Speaker 1: you can pencil him at seven and know that that's
27:16
Speaker 1: like a high impact area of your lineup and that
27:20
Speaker 1: doesn't even include the defensive versatility blah blah blah blah. So,
27:24
Speaker 1: especially now post trade deadline, what do you Is there
27:28
Speaker 1: a way to measure or articulate the value of Zach McKinstry.
27:34
Speaker 2: I think the Tuckers have a lot writing on Zach
27:35
Speaker 2: McKinstry to continue the way he played and when he
27:38
Speaker 2: had an All Star first half. They've clearly had faith
27:41
Speaker 2: in this guy. They brought him in, they wrote out
27:43
Speaker 2: some hard times with him. They've been seeing the payoffs
27:46
Speaker 2: so far this year? Has he been playing out of
27:49
Speaker 2: his mind? He's going to keep hitting left handed pitching
27:51
Speaker 2: at this clip. Like I think it's fair to have
27:54
Speaker 2: doubts just based on career track record, Like that's not
27:57
Speaker 2: even doubting him, that's just like we're gonna look at
27:59
Speaker 2: this from a numbers perspective, Like the Tigers must not
28:04
Speaker 2: see it that way. I mean they seem to have
28:07
Speaker 2: supreme confidence had they brought in whereas had they brought
28:11
Speaker 2: in anyone to play third base, that would affect the
28:14
Speaker 2: way mckinstrey plays. He talked about being fine with that,
28:18
Speaker 2: you know, if it beant improving the team. The Tigers
28:21
Speaker 2: thought those moves didn't necessarily mean improving the team, or
28:24
Speaker 2: at least not at the stake of what it would cost.
28:27
Speaker 2: Scott Harris said a question they kept coming back to
28:31
Speaker 2: was like, is X player better than the player we
28:35
Speaker 2: already have? It seems like the answer is a lot
28:37
Speaker 2: of those questions we've talked about, like options for different
28:40
Speaker 2: platoon hitters or guys who could fit this roster, those
28:43
Speaker 2: answers must have been No, Zach mckinstrey, you're kind of
28:47
Speaker 2: in the spotlight man. You were going to continue playing
28:49
Speaker 2: every day on a first place team, on a play
28:52
Speaker 2: when the team heading to the playoffs. You're a big
28:55
Speaker 2: part of this, you know. I guess you should be proud.
28:59
Speaker 2: I think he's our based on how he has played,
29:02
Speaker 2: But will it continue? Probably one of the bigger questions
29:05
Speaker 2: for the Tigers in August and September is.
29:08
Speaker 1: He the same guy? Has he been the same guy?
29:10
Speaker 1: All year, Like you know, you talked about.
29:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Zach, Zach and Zach. You know,
29:17
Speaker 2: he's a guy from Indiana who Winston Central, Michigan, who
29:21
Speaker 2: never probably expected to fully be in this spotlight that
29:24
Speaker 2: we're talking about now. It's actually been kind of cool
29:27
Speaker 2: to see how he's handled that.
29:29
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:29
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that brings us to our pick of the week,
29:34
Speaker 1: again presented by DraftKings, and it's Zach McKinstry. Three plus
29:39
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29:42
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29:44
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29:47
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29:50
Speaker 1: reason I chose this is Friday. The Tigers are in Philadelphia,
29:54
Speaker 1: a team that's kind of regarded as a winner of
29:56
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, and they're putting out there Ranger Swarez.
30:02
Speaker 1: And he's a lefty whose number one pitch is the sinker.
30:06
Speaker 1: So you talked like mckinstrey hits lefties this year, how
30:09
Speaker 1: does he hit lefties against lefty starters? Cody, He's three
30:13
Speaker 1: h two five forty seven with the nine to twenty two.
30:15
Speaker 2: Ops's pretty wild wild.
30:18
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. And uh, like I said, Suarez is
30:21
Speaker 1: a single ball pitcher. That's his number one used pitch
30:24
Speaker 1: twenty nine percent of the time. But he does give
30:27
Speaker 1: up almost a three hundred average on that pitch. It's
30:30
Speaker 1: a little high. Expected value in average is about two
30:33
Speaker 1: sixty six, so you know, just throw the variants in there.
30:36
Speaker 1: But McKinstry hits sinkers well generally. That's he has a
30:40
Speaker 1: three run value on baseball savant against sinkers. And fun
30:44
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30:50
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Speaker 1: All Right, here in a second, we're gonna throw it
31:32
Speaker 1: to Austin Jackson. We had him relive his trade deadline experience,
31:36
Speaker 1: and as I said on that previous recording, if you're
31:40
Speaker 1: a Tigers fan of a certain age, that's a pretty
31:43
Speaker 1: unforgettable moment. So we'll get his perspective on that. But
31:47
Speaker 1: before we do that, Cody, is there any any other
31:50
Speaker 1: scramble thoughts on a long day? I do want to
31:53
Speaker 1: say this, This was a great day for Major League Baseball.
31:58
Speaker 1: I thought this was a tremendous trade line. I thought
32:00
Speaker 1: interest like it was essentially a forty eight hour trade deadline,
32:05
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, And I thought that was awesome.
32:07
Speaker 1: I thought I thought this was great for the game,
32:11
Speaker 1: Like when you expand playoffs, you want it like you
32:15
Speaker 1: wanted something like this to occur. So if there's a
32:17
Speaker 1: winner and loser's bracket, all the stories should say major
32:20
Speaker 1: League Baseball is a winner because I thought it was
32:22
Speaker 1: a tremendous straight deadline.
32:25
Speaker 2: A j Peler has to always stay employed, talking about
32:28
Speaker 2: being someone good for the games. He's yet to make
32:30
Speaker 2: it to a World Series, but man, does he make
32:32
Speaker 2: things fun this time of year. I could keep talking
32:35
Speaker 2: about this stuff for an hour. We'll come back, We'll
32:37
Speaker 2: dive more into the weeds on I'm sure some of
32:40
Speaker 2: these players in some subsequent episodes befre we go. I
32:43
Speaker 2: think we got a poor one out for Matt Manning.
32:46
Speaker 2: A legend of our time doing this podcast, always wondering
32:50
Speaker 2: could he reach his potential? The answer, at least in
32:54
Speaker 2: the Tigers jersey will be no, he's gone. He was
32:59
Speaker 2: designated first Alignment and then traded to the Phillies. I
33:03
Speaker 2: think the current Tigers regime drafts and evaluates differently, pretty
33:09
Speaker 2: undeniably better than in the ala Vila era. But in
33:13
Speaker 2: a way, Matt Manning is a symbol for all these
33:16
Speaker 2: conversations we have had. Sometimes very talented players just don't
33:19
Speaker 2: become what you want them to be, what you think
33:22
Speaker 2: they can be, what they show glimpses of being. The
33:27
Speaker 2: Matt Manning era is over.
33:30
Speaker 1: That's true. That was what a time? What to make
33:34
Speaker 1: of Matt Manning? Last time we get to say this
33:36
Speaker 1: on the pod, So thank you everybody for listening, following, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, Instagram,
33:42
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. We appreciate all of you.
33:45
Speaker 3: Here.
33:45
Speaker 1: In a second, we will throw it to Austin Jackson,
33:48
Speaker 1: who tells us his experiences, multiple experiences dealing with the
33:52
Speaker 1: trade deadline as a player. So for Cody Stavenhagen, I'm
33:56
Speaker 1: Kieran Steckley. Everybody have a great.
33:59
Speaker 2: Day, all right.
34:02
Speaker 1: Well, being that it's trade deadline time, I thought it
34:06
Speaker 1: was appropriate to talk to Austin about one particular moment
34:10
Speaker 1: in Tiger's history. If you're a Tigers fan of a
34:13
Speaker 1: certain age, July thirty first, twenty fourteen is one of
34:18
Speaker 1: those days that you always go back to because it
34:22
Speaker 1: was it was it was kind of the end of
34:25
Speaker 1: an era in a way for Tigers baseball if you
34:28
Speaker 1: came up watching those teams like you kind of knew
34:30
Speaker 1: that at the time. And that is when Austin Jackson
34:34
Speaker 1: was traded mid game tennally three quarters of the way game,
34:39
Speaker 1: you know, from the Tigers to the Mariners, and a
34:42
Speaker 1: trade that eventually got David Price to the Tigers. And
34:45
Speaker 1: you know the imagery, the video of you. I wish
34:49
Speaker 1: we could play it, but we don't want to violate
34:50
Speaker 1: any copyright of you kind of coming off the field,
34:54
Speaker 1: Roggie Davis replacing you, and you know, everybody in the
34:58
Speaker 1: stance kind of knew what was going on, and is
35:00
Speaker 1: you know, social media all that stuff plays apart and
35:02
Speaker 1: you getting kind of like a little bit of of
35:05
Speaker 1: a moment from the fans. Uh, it's a it's it's
35:07
Speaker 1: heart wrenching, it's heartwarming at the same time, just like
35:11
Speaker 1: from the fan perspective. So I wanted to ask you,
35:15
Speaker 1: as somebody that you know, this was your career, your
35:17
Speaker 1: livelihood at the time, what was that moment, like you
35:20
Speaker 1: just kind of take us there, Austin if you would to,
35:24
Speaker 1: you know, being traded on trade deadline day during the game,
35:26
Speaker 1: no less a home game too.
35:29
Speaker 3: Karen. First of all, Man, you you said the end
35:31
Speaker 3: of an era.
35:31
Speaker 6: That kind of made me feel It kind of made
35:33
Speaker 6: me feel a certain way, like in a in a
35:36
Speaker 6: good way.
35:36
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, man, okay, I like it is
35:39
Speaker 3: the error that we were Yeah, but no, I.
35:42
Speaker 6: Mean I didn't have social media when I played, which
35:45
Speaker 6: is one thing I kind of regret now because you know,
35:48
Speaker 6: it's just being able to to keep up with people,
35:50
Speaker 6: keep up with fans and just kind of build your
35:53
Speaker 6: you know, your your network. You know, I didn't have one,
35:56
Speaker 6: So I didn't know what was going on. You said,
35:59
Speaker 6: the fans knew, everybody knew.
36:01
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't know at all. I didn't
36:04
Speaker 3: know so much that when Raj was This is how
36:06
Speaker 3: much I didn't know.
36:07
Speaker 6: When Raj was running out there, I was like, oh,
36:09
Speaker 6: they think I'm hurt.
36:11
Speaker 3: They think I'm hurt. I'm good. I looked at right.
36:14
Speaker 3: I'm like, Rogerie, what are you doing? No, I'm good.
36:16
Speaker 6: Brother, Like nah, I'm like touching my damn.
36:19
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm I'm cool. What are you?
36:22
Speaker 6: And then I started kind of running in, like what
36:24
Speaker 6: You're just gonna do a little switch up in the lineup.
36:26
Speaker 6: Like I was out there ball and I think I
36:27
Speaker 6: think I had a couple of hits, maybe a Ribby's
36:30
Speaker 6: son baby, little little basket catch.
36:33
Speaker 3: I was like, good, what do they think? Maybe I'm
36:35
Speaker 3: going too hard? All right? Man? And so he's running
36:37
Speaker 3: by me and I'm like, right, what's going on? He's like, yeah,
36:40
Speaker 3: I don't know. Jack, Like, what do you mean you
36:42
Speaker 3: don't know you're coming here?
36:45
Speaker 2: Something?
36:46
Speaker 6: And so you know, I'm running off and I'm like,
36:49
Speaker 6: you know, the fans start to stand up and they
36:52
Speaker 6: start to you know, clap and cheer and things like that.
36:55
Speaker 6: And as I get to the dugout, you know, teammates
36:57
Speaker 6: starts standing up. I think I think Max came up
37:01
Speaker 6: and gave me a big hug than uh Fister did.
37:04
Speaker 6: And then and then it kind of hit me. I
37:06
Speaker 6: was like, oh, okay, this is what that is.
37:10
Speaker 3: It was.
37:11
Speaker 6: It was tough, man, it was tough not really knowing,
37:14
Speaker 6: but I think that's probably the best way for me,
37:16
Speaker 6: like because I don't know if I would have been
37:19
Speaker 6: myself in that situation, if I would have known, you know,
37:23
Speaker 6: I think that that was that was kind of my
37:25
Speaker 6: authentic self. That's my genuine self, you know, just being
37:29
Speaker 6: caught off guard with something.
37:32
Speaker 3: You know.
37:32
Speaker 6: I remember before the game specifically, I remember and now
37:36
Speaker 6: that I think about it, it was like, now that
37:38
Speaker 6: I think about it, it was like I was catching like
37:41
Speaker 6: you know.
37:41
Speaker 3: How you you you you look up.
37:43
Speaker 6: And you catch somebody's eyes and then they kind of
37:44
Speaker 6: turned and look, and I remember doing that.
37:47
Speaker 3: It's just like, what are that being weird for? You know?
37:50
Speaker 6: Like why like these my boys being with what y'all
37:53
Speaker 6: being weird for. So, you know, I didn't think too
37:57
Speaker 6: Look look, boom, there it is. That's my guy right there,
38:00
Speaker 6: man Max, that's my dude. And so I just it
38:04
Speaker 6: caught me off guard. But then you realize once you
38:07
Speaker 6: you know, you kind of settle down, You kind of
38:08
Speaker 6: tell yourself, this is the business.
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Speaker 3: This is the business.
38:11
Speaker 6: When I got traded from the Yankees to the Tigers,
38:15
Speaker 6: it was the business, right like, you know, I told
38:18
Speaker 6: myself I wanted to play with the Yankees, but the
38:20
Speaker 6: ultimate goal was to play in the big leagues, right like,
38:23
Speaker 6: that's the big that is the goal. So even being
38:26
Speaker 6: traded in the big leagues, the goal is to be
38:28
Speaker 6: traded to another big league team and contribute to them.
38:32
Speaker 3: So that's how I took it right away. I was like,
38:34
Speaker 3: you know what, that's fine.
38:35
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go try to you know, be myself for
38:38
Speaker 6: another team and contribute to them and show them and
38:41
Speaker 6: that you know, they can value me as me and
38:45
Speaker 6: I can go out and you know, help this team
38:47
Speaker 6: win and win win ball games. And that's ultimately what
38:50
Speaker 6: you have to think. You know, you can't you know,
38:53
Speaker 6: get too down on yourself. You know, it's a business.
38:55
Speaker 6: You know, you can be traded at any given time,
38:59
Speaker 6: and you know you got to take it. Hey, that's
39:01
Speaker 6: a business decisions that they made. But that doesn't mean
39:04
Speaker 6: that I can't go out and help another team win.
39:08
Speaker 2: Austin. I'm always kind of fascinated by the the logistics
39:12
Speaker 2: of getting traded because it's not easy, right especially you know,
39:16
Speaker 2: you got you got family, you got stuff like that,
39:19
Speaker 2: you got sent Unlike you were traded to Cleveland, you
39:22
Speaker 2: got sent way up there to Seattle. Like you find
39:26
Speaker 2: out you're traded, you go back, you changed clothes, Like
39:30
Speaker 2: then what dude?
39:32
Speaker 3: You like it's you're really kind of in shop, you
39:36
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
39:37
Speaker 6: Like you you try to play this part like oh yeah, no,
39:40
Speaker 6: everything's good, but really you there's this sense of like unknown,
39:44
Speaker 6: like you don't know what you're supposed to do. I'm
39:47
Speaker 6: glad I had uh you know, my wife now, but
39:50
Speaker 6: she's my girlfriend at the time. I'm glad she was
39:52
Speaker 6: on it like I had. She She was on it, man,
39:55
Speaker 6: she was already packing when she. I guess she found out,
39:57
Speaker 6: probably probably before I did, you know, you know what
40:00
Speaker 6: I mean, Like I was playing, and so she had
40:02
Speaker 6: already packed.
40:03
Speaker 3: She had already had, you know, like.
40:05
Speaker 6: Listings for us where we could stay, hotels the state.
40:09
Speaker 6: She was already in communication with the team. I don't
40:12
Speaker 6: know how she did that, but you know, it was
40:14
Speaker 6: just it was, you know, like I said, you try
40:18
Speaker 6: to put on this this mask, but you know, Detroit
40:22
Speaker 6: was that that place that I, honestly I thought, because again,
40:26
Speaker 6: like when I was with the Yankees, I thought that
40:28
Speaker 6: I was gonna be there.
40:31
Speaker 3: I thought I was gonna be there for a long time.
40:33
Speaker 3: So it was it wasn't.
40:34
Speaker 6: It was a shot a little bit, you know, and
40:37
Speaker 6: I was just kind of in the clubhouse just kind
40:39
Speaker 6: of like what do I do? Do I do I
40:41
Speaker 6: wait for this game to be over so I could
40:43
Speaker 6: say by to the fellas, or do I, you know,
40:46
Speaker 6: need to pack my stuff because they want me there?
40:48
Speaker 3: And they did.
40:49
Speaker 6: They was like, hey, you need to get the stuff,
40:51
Speaker 6: get ready, and you know we got to get I
40:53
Speaker 6: think it was in Baltimore, and it was in Baltimore.
40:56
Speaker 6: They wanted me to start center field, hit lead off.
40:59
Speaker 6: The next day, I'm like, like, bro, I can't. Can
41:02
Speaker 6: I let it sink in? As like no, it's a
41:04
Speaker 6: business man and you got to be ready for it,
41:06
Speaker 6: and I understood it at that time. I understood what
41:09
Speaker 6: the with the you know, with the job required at
41:11
Speaker 6: me and as much you know, friendships as I had
41:14
Speaker 6: built there and you know, just you know, having that
41:18
Speaker 6: that feel like, you know, I was part of that city.
41:21
Speaker 3: It was tough, man, it was tough.
41:22
Speaker 6: But uh, you know I realized very quickly, you know,
41:26
Speaker 6: I got another job to do, and you know they
41:28
Speaker 6: want me, so I got to go out there and
41:30
Speaker 6: perform for them.
41:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's uh, you know, it's always easy
41:36
Speaker 1: to say it's a business, but when you you know,
41:39
Speaker 1: getting only only imagine, you know, actually experiencing the it's
41:43
Speaker 1: a business thing. Uh, you know, not everybody can have
41:46
Speaker 1: that kind of attitude. It seems like you had again
41:49
Speaker 1: mature Austin Jackson, always mature, always wise, beyond beyond his years. Uh,
41:54
Speaker 1: you know, had had a great understanding. So like, you know,
41:59
Speaker 1: the fact that you weren't on social media at the time,
42:01
Speaker 1: and you know, we're like, I don't want to say oblivious,
42:04
Speaker 1: but at least just like not cognizant of what was
42:06
Speaker 1: going on with trade deadline rumors and all that stuff.
42:10
Speaker 1: That probably was a benefit because now it's probably almost impossible.
42:14
Speaker 1: I know there are guys that don't have it, but
42:16
Speaker 1: everybody does and everybody hears everything. They hear what we're saying,
42:20
Speaker 1: they read what Cody writes like it's just the reality
42:23
Speaker 1: of the situation, and so like, I can only imagine
42:26
Speaker 1: what those you know, what the guys on the team
42:28
Speaker 1: now are going through in terms of they're struggling. Do
42:31
Speaker 1: they need now does someone need to take my job?
42:35
Speaker 1: The metaphorical John Doe player, Uh, you know is that
42:38
Speaker 1: you know, is my job at stake? And like all
42:40
Speaker 1: these things, the business aspect of it. Uh, it's got
42:43
Speaker 1: to be tough, compounding losing with uncertainty with the trade deadline.
42:46
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's been tough for the for the fellas.
42:49
Speaker 6: That's that's always tough to not you know, that uncertainty
42:53
Speaker 6: of like I'm not playing well, you know, are they
42:56
Speaker 6: going to trade me?
42:58
Speaker 3: Are they gonna send me down?
42:59
Speaker 6: Are they gonna bring up this prospected you know that
43:02
Speaker 6: that they keep talking about in the media, you know,
43:04
Speaker 6: like is that is that gonna happen? And I'd be
43:07
Speaker 6: lying to you if I if I didn't read into
43:09
Speaker 6: those things like gods try to act like you know,
43:11
Speaker 6: I don't.
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Speaker 3: Read it to the media. It's like, stop it.
43:13
Speaker 6: You looked at something, You've looked at yourself, you know,
43:16
Speaker 6: especially when you do good. I was, I'd be in
43:18
Speaker 6: an outbuild already rehearsing what I'm gonna say in the interview,
43:22
Speaker 6: and then and then I'd be like, oh yeah, y'all
43:24
Speaker 6: just stayed on that ball right there, and it's a
43:27
Speaker 6: good pitch, and then we end up losing the game.
43:29
Speaker 3: I'm like, that, ain't I Gotta save that well for
43:32
Speaker 3: the next time. But it's just it's just funny, man,
43:35
Speaker 3: Like we all like we're human.
43:37
Speaker 2: Man.
43:37
Speaker 6: Like you've seen guys cry when they get traded, like
43:40
Speaker 6: cause it that's it.
43:41
Speaker 3: Like, dudes really build up those.
43:43
Speaker 6: Friendships, man, And it really means a lot to us, man, Like,
43:46
Speaker 6: we it's not like, you know, we understand that you know,
43:49
Speaker 6: we're making good money and that you know, this stuff
43:52
Speaker 6: can be taken away from us. One you know, wrong
43:55
Speaker 6: step on the back. You could injure yourself, you know,
43:58
Speaker 6: and be done one twist that the need could be done.
44:01
Speaker 6: You know, God forbid that happens. But you know, we're
44:03
Speaker 6: all human and we're you know, we're in it together
44:06
Speaker 6: and I think when you're in it, sometimes you can
44:08
Speaker 6: lose sight of that and you know when that trade
44:11
Speaker 6: deadline is coming up and you you know, like for
44:14
Speaker 6: me at one point, was like I thought I was
44:16
Speaker 6: playing good enough to where I was like, oh, they're
44:18
Speaker 6: not gonna mess with me. But I was like, no, actually,
44:21
Speaker 6: you're playing good the team ain't somebody wants you, you know, like,
44:25
Speaker 6: so I didn't think about that. I was like, oh, no,
44:27
Speaker 6: I'm playing good enough to where they'll they'll want me
44:29
Speaker 6: to come back. And I was like, no, you're playing
44:31
Speaker 6: good enough, you got your value up. Get out of here.
44:33
Speaker 6: You know, you just stop that for the young dudes,
44:36
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? So what can we get you?
44:38
Speaker 6: And those are all things that I you know, I
44:40
Speaker 6: experienced and I realized and that that you know, I
44:44
Speaker 6: went through that.
44:44
Speaker 3: I went through all those different emotions.
44:46
Speaker 6: Man, at at trade deadline, I was always like I
44:51
Speaker 6: ain't playing good enough. They about to get rid of me,
44:53
Speaker 6: or I'm playing too good they gonna you know, I'm
44:56
Speaker 6: They're they're gonna trade me. Those are all things that
44:58
Speaker 6: they go to do. The these guys hits man, like
45:01
Speaker 6: I've been there, I've done it. They're human and with
45:04
Speaker 6: all the social media now, there's no way they don't
45:06
Speaker 6: see it, and there's no way that it.
45:08
Speaker 3: Didn't affect them, you know what I mean, Like it does.
45:11
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, they're gonna show
45:13
Speaker 6: up each and every day and they're gonna go through
45:15
Speaker 6: their routine.
45:16
Speaker 3: They're gonna do the things that they need to do.
45:18
Speaker 6: But I guarantee you, in somebody's mind, they're thinking about it.
45:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's something we have in common with them
45:25
Speaker 1: because we're thinking about it too, and we're gonna and
45:30
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep thinking about it even after the great deadline.
45:32
Speaker 1: All these moves that the team can or will or
45:35
Speaker 1: won't do, and that's what makes that doing this a
45:38
Speaker 1: lot of fun. So we appreciate everybody for listening. Be
45:40
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45:42
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45:45
Speaker 1: So for Austin Jackson, Cody staven Hagen, I'm Kieren Stackley, everybody,
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Speaker 1: have a great day.