Latest / Petty and Unbothered / #32 - When Art Imitates life
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- Robin Axline: Hello and welcome to Tita Lors: Ha ha. Robin Axline: our show. We're so happy to welcome you in, dear listeners. And we love that you keep coming back. I am Robin Axline, and this is my super cool co-host, Tita Lores. And yeah. yeah, so we're just looking to hang out with y'all, have some fun. Tita Lors: Pettious thing we learned this week. Robin Axline: Yeah, that's a question that's just been burning in my head. Tita Lors: Yeah, because, you know, we talk about it every time. Robin Axline: my god. Okay, so Laura, I have a question to ask you. What's the pettiest? What is the pettiest thing you came across this week? Tita Lors: I've been meaning to talk about this, but other things end up taking precedence. Have you have you seen the trailer for like we've talked about DuckDuckGo and the browser, right? But have you seen their trailer for their glasses? my gosh, let me try to find out. While I'm blind. Yeah. Robin Axline: And knock arounds. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: my gosh, how petty Tita Lors: Yes. but that's actually the reason why I was sold on I was like on the fence about whether or not I wanted to start using their browser and other services and then I saw that and I was like in design Robin Axline: Huh. that's funny. Tita Lors: and those glasses sold out by the way. Robin Axline: those are real? Tita Lors: They're real. Yeah, you can actually buy them. There's and they're sold out on their website. I had a link to the website somewhere, but then I I never ended up talking about it, so then I I stopped. But now I can talk about it. 'Cause that was one of the pettiest things I came across recently. It was funny. Robin Axline: a good one. It must be a collabo with knock around then because I saw the logo on the side so Tita Lors: With what? Robin Axline: knock around glasses sunglasses Tita Lors: okay. I was like Nogaround. Robin Axline: Like knock around, you can just toss around. I Tita Lors: Yeah, toss it around. Okay. Robin Axline: had a pair while a while back, but they disappeared. Hate that. Tita Lors: I scratched up my I normally don't buy super expensive sunglasses because I know I'm not gonna take care of them. But because we were going on vacation, I bought like some I don't even w know what brand they were, but Ray Bans. I bought Ray Bans and they were on sale but still expensive. So bought those and then while we were in California recently, they were in my bag just floating around and they got scratched up. I know. Robin Axline: Like always that's why we can't have nice things or whatever. yeah, and then my other pair of knocker ons I was in the ocean and a big wave came up and it knocked me over and then my sunglasses fell into the ocean. no. Tita Lors: Uh-huh. Same thing happened to me. And mine were vintage glasses. They were my ma either my mom's or my dad's glasses. And I loved wearing them. They look so good. And I was playing with my niece and I had it up on my head, and big ass wave came and just knocked it off my head. I didn't even notice until I went to like and I'm shit. I went to put it down and I didn't notice it wasn't there. And I was like, no. Retro, yeah. So I know. Robin Axline: Guess that kind of stuff happens. At least it didn't just happen to me. The the wave of it all. Tita Lors: Exactly. And so I'm still actually salty about that. But yes, what's the pettiest thing you've come across? Robin Axline: I would say yet it's like when from yesterday actually I was thinking about is I was on an Amtrak train and they were like, Well the next stop is gonna be Penn Station and we weren't even like that close to it. It just was like and people just started doing what they do on airplanes where they just get their luggage from the thing and they just stand. And so like it's Tita Lors: Doesn't make sense. Robin Axline: so wild. And so like I was walking back to my seat And there was like this huge line of people like in my row, just with bags like this just taking up the whole aisle. And I just wanted to get back to my seat to set sit down. 'Cause they even s the conductor even set on the speaker, he's like, Well, we're not gonna get there for like another like fifteen or so minutes. Tita Lors: my God, sit down. Robin Axline: Yeah, and so I was like, why are these people still standing? And he just said that. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: And so like I was me being like sensitive and like don't want to make waves. I was literally just gonna stand behind them the whole time until I could get through to get to my seat. 'Cause it was like ahead of them. And then I just went, Tita Lors: No. Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: Hold on, no, that doesn't make any sense. Why would I do that? All my stuff is on there. So I just started saying, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, thank you, excuse me, thank you to get to my seat and I got so many eye rolls and so many groans from people, like like I was trying to cut or something. Tita Lors: You guys get out of my way. Robin Axline: No. I was like, and I was just like, excuse me, thank you. Sorry. And Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: then I finally got to my seat and I made it very obvious that I wasn't trying to cut. Like I sat down, like very like, I'm sitting down. Even though Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: that probably didn't make a difference, but I just I f probably not, Tita Lors: Nobody noticed. Robin Axline: but it just for me, I just felt like these people were so petty that they're like worried that I was gonna cut in front of them. And I didn't I'm not gonna stand for 15 minutes. Why? Tita Lors: Yeah. Why? Why are you standing for fifteen minutes? That like sit your ass down. How much time really are you saving? Seriously. Robin Axline: Like five seconds? I don't know. Like you could even get your luggage down and sit back down if you wanted to save a few minutes or whatever. Tita Lors: Exactly. Or get your luggage down and sit where your seat is. Or stand where your seat is, right? Robin Axline: That's yeah, that's what I was saying. Tita Lors: Like you don't have to be in the aisle. Okay. Yeah. I mean I understand that there's some people who like they have they have a connection or a transfer or whatever. Robin Axline: for sure. Tita Lors: And that makes sense to me, I guess. But everyone, not everybody here has to do that. Like Robin Axline: Yeah. I would say that was it was about fifteen people. Just formed a line and I'm like, this is wild. Where are you going? Mm-hmm. Yeah, what if the the Tita Lors: It's so weird. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Also dangerous. Like Robin Axline: train just went to like this crazy halt, then it would be like dominoes? Tita Lors: Mm. Yeah. Or like if if something were to happen, you're blocking the exit, Rose. I think about that all the time on a plane. I'm like, I get that we've landed, but if for some crazy like turn of events with the movie, final destination thing happens, you're in the way. Robin Axline: Mm-hmm. Tita Lors: Nobody's getting out because you're in the way. Ugh, good. Let them be there. Maybe they can find their brains. If they have any. Robin Axline: If they ever have one. Yeah. So yeah, that's my my story for today. pretty obnoxious. But Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: now that we've like gotten past the initial question. listeners, if you we really want to hear like if something crazy petty or even crazier than these stories happen to you. you can write us or we'll we'll tell you later all the numbers and emails. But yeah, too like just seriously, don't hesitate. We want to hear mm Man. Tita Lors: Hmm. Robin Axline: my gosh. Good one. Tita Lors: Ha ha Robin Axline: actually this is kinda like not really in that same vein but kind of like in a nostalgia vein. I really w just wanted to talk about something that I think is really interesting about TV shows and celebrities. And so like that's where I'm kinda going with this story of the day. But like sometimes actors' real lives are used in stories where like it seems like it's more their real life affecting the character that they're playing. Hmm, indeed. Yes. Or the art yeah, or the yeah, Tita Lors: imitates life, I guess, in yours idea. Robin Axline: I was gonna say, or like the art is imitating life, I guess. but I just like I always kinda like think about that. Like I wonder like how many shows or movies or whatever have done that. Aside from like a biopic or something, but sometimes it's like something really practical, like an actor gets injured and then the character has to sit down for a few episodes. Like I know that's been done or you know like people are expecting and then they have to put like a plant in front of them or things like that. Yes, yes, exactly. or like sometimes Yeah, like those types of things. And then sometimes their life just actually influences the storyline and sometimes I think that the audience starts filling in the blanks ourselves too. 'Cause people be curious. And the reason I go ahead. Tita Lors: No, it's gonna be like that parasocial relationship. Robin Axline: yep, yep, it keeps coming up. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: but yeah, I would think I've been thinking about this particularly because I read Busy Phillips memoir a little while ago. For the people that don't know who that is, she's like an actor, activist, gal who's still in things, movies and TV shows. I'd say like one that people know her from is White Chicks and like and obviously Dawson's Creek and Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: Cougar Town I think I don't know, she's like just been in in things for years now. So I was curious about her memoir and so I read it and she had some really interesting stories about her time, particularly on Dawson's Creek. So for me, someone that grew up like watching that, it was kind of like important. Tita Lors: I always wanted to but I wasn't allowed to. I didn't have a lot of TV access at the time. It was a lot of like sneaking in charmed or Gilmore Girls. Yes. Yeah, that's where it's at. Yes. Robin Axline: Another WB. Ooh yeah. W B later the C W. But yeah. Tita Lors: Is it still the CW? No, it's something else now. Robin Axline: I no, I think it is still the CW perhaps. But I do miss the WB vibes. so good. do I Tita Lors: It's when I went it was pretty small and I didn't go to like the full studio, it's just like this small little museum thing. But now it's a full studio tour, like universal studio status. But maybe not as Robin Axline: yeah. Tita Lors: big. Yeah, so Robin Axline: Yeah, I heard it's pretty pretty thorough, pretty cool. So that's cool you got to do that. Tita Lors: Yeah, I wanna go. Robin Axline: I didn't know that. Uh-huh. Yeah, Tita Lors: I didn't either. I I was like, What is this? Robin Axline: I mean the the geeky thing about me is that I wanna go particularly at Christmas time because they make the Gilmore Girl set and they make it look like the town and they have like a diner and you can go to like all the spots and like eat food and drink coffee and my god. Easy sell. Yeah. Yes, yes. Tita Lors: It's a date. I'm in. I'm like, let's just yes, I'm sold. Let's make it happen. Robin Axline: It's been a dream of mine. Tita Lors: We could just leave the boys behind. It'll be fine. Yeah, exactly. It's a girl strip, it's fine. They don't have to be there. Robin Axline: Yeah, totally. And I yeah, they can fender themselves. And it's a girl's Yeah, they don't have to be there. And and the music they pump through is like the la la kind of music that's in the show and like, my god, I have to go. We have to go. Yeah, totally. Tita Lors: I didn't even know they did that. I want to yes, let's go. Let's do that. And I also wanna see like this where this the town that it's based off of. Robin Axline: me too. Me too. Connecticut, baby. That's more close to us, so we could Up Tita Lors: That'd be really cool. Mm-hmm. I know, we could probably go there first. Robin Axline: Say less. Say less. I just need a buddy, so that would be perfect. gosh. yeah. Tita Lors: Boom. Robin Axline: so anyway, so after reading and and the audiobook is really good of Bizzy Phillips bio because it she reads it and I feel like she kinda adds some little asides that makes it even more fun. but then I got to thinking what are some more examples of like things that I have known about for years and just kind of like decoding facts from kind of years of like hearing things over and over in the media, like what's real and what's not. So one I thought of was like the infamous Felicity haircut, another WB show. Tita Lors: my goodness. Robin Axline: and I literally have been fascinated with that story since it happened. And then the other one I thought of was Jamie Lynn Spears and the story that I thought was true about Zoe 101. Well, I'll give you a little teaser. I'm gonna talk about it a little bit later, so it's okay. And then Tita Lors: okay. Never mind. No, it's fine. Continue. Robin Axline: the other one that is like we're gonna bring it down a little bit for this one, but Hayden Panetier, whose memoir I legit pre ordered at the library and I read it the week it came out. and I listened to the audiobook which she read And it was a really good story, not just about her, but like the goings on in Hollywood and just kind of the scene around that era and how things were and but her story is of course a lot more complicated. Yeah. And then yeah. Mm-hmm. Tita Lors: I bet, yeah. Dude, this week or in the past few weeks, we've lost at least three major people. So Hayden, Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: Dolly, and my god, I can see his face. Tim Curry. Is there another one? No Robin Axline: Tim Curry and Yayoikusama. Yeah. Tita Lors: what? Robin Axline: Yeah. That was I know, right? that one hurt. I was like, ooh. I mean all of are pretty major, but that one just to top it off. Tita Lors: Yeah. I mean Mhm. That wow. Dolly was really sucky because her music was like really meaningful for me and like a just so good and and her like a way of existing in life was Awesome. I love her story so much. Like and and her way I like her ethics and her way of thinking about the world and and being helpful and all that stuff. That's really cool. But yeah, I guess that's so sad. That's a lot of losses. This has been a rough year. Robin Axline: He has. well, another thing on our bucket list we can do is Dollywood, because I've always wanted to go there too. Yay! Tita Lors: Okay. I'm sold. Robin Axline: This is great. I don't have to sell it sell you on anything. okay. Tita Lors: No, I've I've it's already also on my bucket list. Let's go. Robin Axline: Yeah, so that's definitely gotta go now, but I always did want to go, so mmm. Yes, so those are all very sad, but the Hayden thing really got me because I literally just read the book. And so I was just like, what a what a life and then So I had been thinking she was kinda top of mind and then that happened. I was just like, my gosh. That is oof, that was hard. But yeah. she didn't Yeah, too soon. But Anyways, I just wanted to talk about what happens when the person and the character start getting blurred together, and then also what happens when we as the audience start creating our own story about that person. so I kind of tentatively titled this when an actor's life becomes part of their character. so I will start with Busy and her life on Dawson's Creek and This is because this is actually the thing that got me thinking about this whole topic in general. I read her memoir is called This Will Only Hurt a Little. It's like funny. yeah. Mm-hmm. Exactly. yeah. Tita Lors: my god. Which is what you always tell children. It's only gonna hurt a little bit. It's just a little owie. wait, okay, sorry, side tatter before we go into this. I've I don't say little owie, I'm like big owie, okay? I set them up for that. Robin Axline: Huh you said. Tita Lors: Yeah, so my my big She had like a cut or a something, I forgot what it was, and I needed to she's like she fell and I was trying I was trying to wipe it and disinfect it with alcohol wi pads. And she was like, Is it gonna hurt? And I was like, I mean I'm not gonna lie, yeah. And she's like, No, no, no, no she's like thrashing and Ryan's holding her and and I'm like, Okay, ready? One, two, three, we're gonna scream, okay? One, two and I scream loud and I'm like crazy and I'm like Robin Axline: Ha ha ha. Tita Lors: And it just catches her off guard and she's like, Are you okay? She's just looking at me like I'm crazy and I'm all, Did that hurt? And she's like, No Like, Okay, good. And I just wipe it, clean, put a band aid and she goes off. Robin Axline: Awesome. Good tactic. Tita Lors: I know, I was like, Yes, it's gonna hurt. Let this is how we're gonna deal with it. We're gonna scream through it. Robin Axline: That's so fun. Tita Lors: I really thought she was gonna scream. I was like, Okay, let's experience this pain together. You scream, I scream, we all scream for ice cream, right? But she didn't scream. Robin Axline: He She just was like, What in the world? Tita Lors: Yeah, I really thought we'd be screaming together and then I looked at her and she was just so confused. Robin Axline: So funny. that's Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: a good one. Nicely done. Tita Lors: yeah, that was fun. Okay, sorry, continue. This will only hurt a little. Uh-huh. Robin Axline: Big hurt. Yes, only hurt a little. And she talks about filming in Wilmington, North or that Wilmington, North Carolina is where Dawson's Creek was shot. And so she talks about this one night after filming a scene with Joshua Jackson, who her character did date at one point on the show. she went out to a local bar with some people from the filming crew and the floor was wet at the bar and she slipped and then she dislocated her kneecap. Yeah, and I guess I love this because I like behind the scenes details. And I also like this because the show didn't suddenly write like a dramatic injury into her character Audrey's storyline. They just had a production problem, so because she really couldn't walk. and so they me knowing this and then I would rewatch the show periodically sometimes. Like sometimes I'll just have it on going loop. Yeah. Yeah. Tita Lors: It's like me and charmed. Robin Axline: so after I read this I noticed it, but they had to modify a lot of scenes where Audrey was sitting, Audrey Liddell. like she would be like lounging in bed or like furniture would be in front of her and so like the crew is just kinda like, Well she can't stand so figure it out so they just start thinking of like random stuff. And the detail they thought was really sweet in the book is she said Chad Michael Murray. I don't know if you y'all he's the lead from I was like, Tita Lors: Never heard of him. Who is this? Heart throb. No, I'm kidding. Robin Axline: Hello, are you okay? One Tree Hill Much, a Cinderella story, yeah, Tita Lors: Okay. Gilmore Girls. Robin Axline: duh Tristan, Gilma Girls. Ha! WB superstar. And now he's all like super buff. yeah, fr Tita Lors: Freaky Friday. Freakier Friday. Robin Axline: Freaky Ur Friday. That was anyways, not gonna spoil Freakier Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: Friday for people. I was gonna say something I'm not going to. Tita Lors: There's this so the song, by the way, made me cry. I'm like, my kids were and I were watching it together. I was like, okay, well we can't watch Beaky or Friday until we watch Viki Friday. So we watch Viki Friday and then we watch that. And then I'm like listening to the song in the end and I'm just like Tears, tears, tears. I forget that this is an audio platform. You guys can't see me wiping my tears. My fake imaginary tears. Yeah. Robin Axline: If you want to see that, tune in to YouTube for that one. I got tears too. Yeah. Tita Lors: How in the outside corner, not the inside. Yeah. Robin Axline: Yeah, they're going like this. I'm an emoji if you guys didn't know. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: yeah, so Chad Michael Murray she initially thought was a douchebag. Like she didn't really like connect with him offset or anything. They just played their characters because they were in the same season together. But he was partying at the bar too. And so he actually stayed with her at the bar and held her hand and he kept her calm while they waited for the ambulance. Yeah, I think if you didn't know him you'd probably be like, gosh, I don't wanna talk to that fool. Like, even though he's kind of like Tita Lors: Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure he's really nice, but he really does. He really is such a chad looking kind of a guy. Robin Axline: Chat. Yeah, he's like, chat. Except I did watch my god. I Tita Lors: Uh-huh. Robin Axline: don't even remember what happened. I think I blacked out or something, but there was like a Netflix Christmas movie that he did like maybe it was like two Christmases ago and he got all buffed for it and then Tita Lors: Yeah. I never watched it, but yes. Yeah, yeah. To it, just Robin Axline: It was like, you know, like a Hallmark movie. Like there was no plot that kind of vibes. Tita Lors: an attractive looking guy. I swear this fly. I got it. But now I don't know what to do because if I open my hand ew Robin Axline: Eat it. Pretend you're a frog. Tita Lors: Leave me alone. Robin Axline: Well, I get it first. So anyway, so that is one example I had of an actor's life affecting the show. And it's basically something happened to the actor and then the production adapted. But the part that really got me in the book was a little bit more uncomfortable. so while she was filming Dawson's Creek, she actually was kind of partying a lot and drinking pretty heavily. And I don't like her character in the story actually had like a downward spiral story arc where her behavior in real life was kind of being mirrored in the character but like magnified. So like she in the story she had like a public breakdown and she went to rehab and there was even one episode where she got in a car and then drove into Paisy's house or Tita Lors: my god. Robin Axline: And they're all eating like Christmas dinner or something like that, from what I can remember. But Busy just talked about how uncomfortable it was to see the things that were happening in her actual life and then reflected back in her character and then she just had to play that. And like that's where the question gets more interesting because there's a difference. It's like the actor hurt their knee, so we're gonna hide it, but then something is happening in the actor's life, and then we're gonna use it in some version of her character. Tita Lors: We're gonna highlight it, yeah. Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: my gosh. It's so unethical. Robin Axline: Yeah. So my question was gonna be like, where do you think the line is between a comedy and an actor and then actually using their personal life? Tita Lors: I mean it's two completely different things, right? Like accommodating this thing that's happening in your life or to your body, versus this is gaining so much traction in like the paparazzi or whatever, let's let's make you actually play this part, which is actually your life. Robin Axline: Mm. Right. So Tita Lors: There has to be more than one fly 'cause this is really annoying. Robin Axline: I know, I seriously thought you Mr. Miyagi'd your way out of it, but I don't know. Tita Lors: I really did, but I think there's maybe more than one. I'm so annoyed. But yeah, like mm-hmm. Robin Axline: But anyway, so yeah. I I I agree. I think it's like they are tot two totally different things and the one is like way seemingly unethical and not very caring for the actor. Tita Lors: Yeah, 'cause like even if it's quote minor, right? Like more minor than that of like, you're dealing with a death in your family, and we hadn't already had it we had it written for you to deal with it, but you know let's write that in and then let's have Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: you act out your your grief. It's just So unethical. Robin Axline: Yeah, yeah. And and I feel like I bet you like the producers were super petty about it. They're like, Well, I mean, you're an actor, you can do it or something. I don't know what it looked like, but Tita Lors: Mm. Yeah. But it's not acting. This is my real fucking life. I'm not acting. This is my real pain. And I get the whole like, well use it. Meh meh meh meh meh. But this is how people end up needing to go to rehab. Because it's one thing to be like, I've dealt with grief in the past and I know how to experience that emotion without allowing it to overcome me and take me down to that place or I, you know, have a therapist to work through this, blah, blah, blah. Versus I'm actively currently presently dealing with addiction, grief, you know, mental illness, whatever have you. That's different. Robin Axline: Sure. Yeah. and I understand like that method, like you were saying, for example, like when I was in acting class in Manhattan in school and college. yeah, people would be yeah. People would be like, teachers sometimes would be like, you know, access something like that. And I, you know, sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but there was a specific time where I was in a musical theater class where my teacher was like, Is there somebody that you care about and you're missing right now? And you and imagine if they were sad or having a hard time, how would you talk to them about it? And then he'd be like, And sing And so then all of that just started playing in my head really hard. And then I just like was literally like fighting tears while I was singing. And it probably well Tita Lors: Yeah. Which is exactly what they wanted probably. Robin Axline: yeah, and then the whole class was all like, my gosh, like stand up clapping kind of thing. Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: And then I did like after that I had to kinda like cool down. I was all like, like it was about my Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: my youngest brother, actually. And I was picturing him so little and Like i and I was a little maybe a little homesick and so it just all of it compiled and I was like feeling it and trying to channel it, but yeah, it was hard to like come down after that. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, which is why that's so dangerous, right? Like, okay, idea for, you know, Hollywood. And please hire me. If you're going to do that, you should have a mental health professional onset to help the person to come down from that. Because you're accessing these really deep emotions and you don't know all the time what you're going to bring up or how that's going to impact you in the day-to-day. Like even therapy wise, right? Like I'm accessing these really difficult emotions with people. We're bringing out and I hate to leave a session. It happens sometimes, right? But I hate when it happens and I try to to give some kind of exercise or activity or whatever afterwards so that they on their own can do something to come down. So doing that with the most care possible, right? And that's me as a mental health professional who understands these emotions and feelings and what can the impact of doing this. But you're being very laissez faire with people's well being when you say, Hey, here's an incredibly traumatic, horrific thing that I want you to think about while you you sing or while you play out this role so that we can have a real emotion for you. And then I'm not going to help you process that afterwards. Robin Axline: Ooh, that's so true. Yeah, I'd never even thought about it in that context. I mean, 'cause my therapist thrives as much as they can to like ha like save time before I leave to kind of like bring it back to a groundedness as much as we possibly can and that is so important. Yeah. Tita Lors: Right? 'Cause we're you're leaving a live wire out there. Like that tenderness. Exactly. And Robin Axline: Yeah, it's like open. Yeah. Yeah. I've unfortunately like there's been maybe like once or twice where we couldn't really close it up, but it Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Robin Axline: happens. Tita Lors: It happens and I'm sure that your therapist w I whenever that happens for me, I walk away from that like, shit. And like Robin Axline: My bad. Jeez. Shoo. Tita Lors: chucking in the next time I'm like, How you do it? How is that? And I'll also tell people, like I know we weren't able to close this up fully. If you need like a check-in in the middle of the week, if you want to schedule like half a session or something, then we can do that also. because that's hard sometimes. so yeah, so it's I that's why I think it's super dangerous for Hollywood to do that, especially with kids. my god. Robin Axline: yeah, serious. Yes, so I'm gonna bring it bring bring the mood up just a little bit because I thought these were like some funny, harmless examples. so speaking of the friends couch, Matt LeBlanc injured his shoulder while filming Friends, and so then Joey ended up with a shoulder injury. And then Zoe De Chanel injured her wrist during New Girl, and the production used costumes, props, and camera angles to hide it. yeah, same. Nick Offerman injured his hamstring while working on Parks and Wreck, and the show used Ron Swanson's physical incapacity for comedy. Tita Lors: Huh. Robin Axline: and the last one, this one you're gonna trip. I I was like, what? That's crazy. Tim Meadows, who played the principal in Mean Girls. actually broke his hand before Mean Girl started shooting. So Tina Faye adjusted the script. Yeah, and then gave Principal Duvall carpal tunnel. Tita Lors: Ha ha. Robin Axline: So that's why he has that like bandage on his hand. It's real. I was Tita Lors: That the thing. Yeah. That's so funny. my goodness. Robin Axline: like, What? I never even thought that's so crazy. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: And so I think most people would look at those things and be like, that's just a television production. The actor has an injury, you work around it, you might as well have some fun with it. Cool. That seems good. Everybody seems consenting. But then Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Why not? Robin Axline: yeah, then we get into something more complicated, and that being the Carrie Russell felicity of it all. Tita Lors: We're talking about when she shaves her hair off. Or no, she doesn't she cuts it off. She makes it like yeah. Robin Axline: Yeah. It's short, yeah. So I've been fascinated about this, like I said, basically forever. And if you don't remember, Carrie Russell had these really long iconic curls. It's just like toss, toss beautiful hair. And she always kinda did. Tita Lors: Ugh, gorgeous. Yes. In the win. Yes. Ala like Carrie from Sex in the City. Mm-hmm. Yes. But I think Carrie Russell is like tighter curls. Yeah. Robin Axline: Hmm, very much so, like the bouncy bounciness. And yeah. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, yeah. But I even remember her on Mickey Mouse Club. And she had like I just remember she had like big hair, even on that when she was like younger. so that was like her so people that don't know who that is, just keep in mind that was like her signature Luke, like Tita Lors: That's her brand, yeah. Robin Axline: her brand. so between hiatus or during the hiatus between seasons, she found this little boy's wig on set and put it on as a joke, and then she took a selfie and then she sent it to JJ Abrams. Yes, that JJ Abrams, who directed that show, which is wild to think about, and she pretended that she cut her hair. And so then the director didn't laugh. He actually was like, Wait, if you what if you actually did that? Like, that's kind of a cool idea. So Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: then she agreed and she really went out and cut her hair in real life. So they incorporated it into the storyline because at that time Felicity was going through major changes. I think she had like a breakup. So it's like the breakup hairdo. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Yeah. We all know that when a woman is going through crises, you see it in her hair. Like like me in my midlife crisis. Bangs and short hair. Thanks. Robin Axline: I'm telling you. It looks good. Yeah. but yes, so that yeah, women and their hair, it's very emotionally connected. And here's the problem. I guess it I mean I thought it looked fine. Cause she went on the show Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: like that, but the audience hated it. Like So it created such a discourse. Y'all didn't even know. Tita Lors: It's I know, and it's kind of part of the reason why the show, like, stopped, right? Robin Axline: Well, hmm, here's where I went some digging. Because that is what I Tita Lors: Okay. Robin Axline: thought. And so the everybody like really, really hated it. The network got massive backlash. Like, how could you do that? And people were actually apparently stopping Carrie Russell in the street, like in public, and told her that she looked better before. To her face. Tita Lors: That is so rude. Robin Axline: No, right? And so this became a legendary television story where people were like, the Felicity haircut killed the ratings and that period. Because that's what I always thought. But here's the thing. Yeah. And Tita Lors: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Which I clearly still think. Robin Axline: so apparently that's not the whole story because the show had been struggling already because it moved from Tuesday night to Sunday night. So people didn't know where to find it. And I mean that's a big Tita Lors: Did they not advertise that? Robin Axline: I think they probably did, but you know, maybe people weren't remembering or maybe they were busy on Sundays. I don't know, but Tita Lors: football or other things were getting in the way. 'Cause this was the time Robin Axline: Right, exactly. Tita Lors: when you had to like this was not streaming service time. Like you had to. Exactly. You had to be home for that shit. Robin Axline: Yeah. This is called appointment television. So I mean I d yeah, in the geeky teenager I was, like I timed the VCR to ta tape when I couldn't be there. So I'd like put in yeah, Tuesday at eight o'clock tape Dawson's Creek or whatever it was. Tita Lors: Bad. One, even if I could do that, I bet you the time on our V CR would be wrong. It wouldn't have worked. Do again I had no control over the TV ever. Robin Axline: Yeah. Ugh. That's brutal. But Tita Lors: Ha ha. Robin Axline: yeah, so I had all kinds of blank tapes of just like most random stuff you could imagine. Like my goodness. Anyways. But yes, for most Americans Yes, so the ratings Tita Lors: So cool. Okay, so ratings were going down because people couldn't find it. Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: and the Thing is that the rating decline wasn't just haircut ratings collapse, it was what the haircut became was like the perfect explanation. And it's funny because like I was saying, I remember thinking, like, well, how could a haircut cause this much chaos? And then, but still that's the story that we all remember, right? And the people at the network were like telling the news and different outlets that that was kind of the reason was the haircut. So it was almost like they kinda threw her under the bus a bit. Like they were like, you did this weird extreme thing and so it's like her fault for cutting her hair, which seems crazy. Yeah, I mean like it w I apparently it just started out as a joke and then the director was like, Do it So she's like, Okay, cool And then Tita Lors: Was this was Carrie was her haircut before or after Britney Spears? Robin Axline: Pretty sure it must have been before. man. But yeah, I was just saying like people love having a simple explanation for something complicated. Is what I'm getting a pattern of. Yeah. Carrie. Nice. I mean I 'cause like an older show, I think. IDK. Timelines. What a construct. so yeah, so the pattern I'm picking up so far is like people trying to do like one simple answer for the reason why something is instead of like something that has multiple layers, like the ratings or or people are maybe aging out to. Like I for example, when I watched Gilmore Girls, I didn't have time for TV shows. So in college I kind of dipped out, like I couldn't watch it. And so like the last season was Tita Lors: Hmm. yeah, and Gilmore Girls kind of tinked, yeah. Robin Axline: so I think people that grow up with stuff like that can't do it also. That's another theory I had. And the next one brings me to Jamie Lynn. Speaking of Britney Spears, her little sister Jamie Lynn Tita Lors: Seriously. Robin Axline: Spears in the show Zoe 101. And This is where I have to admit something. I thought I knew what happened with it. Jamie Lynn, for people that don't know, she got pregnant when she was sixteen. Tita Lors: yeah. Robin Axline: And I genuinely thought, she got pregnant, so the show got canceled. And I thought it Tita Lors: That would make sense because that does not, you know, trend with Disney. Robin Axline: Yeah, Nickelodeon, but yeah. What of. Same thing. Yeah. It was around that time when there Tita Lors: Or Nickelodeon. Same same. Kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: was like a tween boom boom. Tita Lors: Yep, you know, back when T V was good. Robin Axline: yeah. Unfabulous. no. Tita Lors: Ha ha Robin Axline: so I thought it was a fact and I think a lot of other people did, but this actually came to my attention recently because it's been on the socials and everything, this new interview with Jamie Lynn Spears talking about this rumor again. So people were telling her daughter that she's the reason for the show ending. And so then yeah, Tita Lors: Rude What? Robin Axline: so I actually looked into the timeline and that's not what happened. The fourth season already finished before her pregnancy even became public and there wasn't a fifth season that they had to cancel because she was pregnant. They didn't even make a season. No. Tita Lors: They had no intention of doing this. Robin Axline: So then Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: I was like, holy cow, like how did I believe this for almost 20 years? And then if you're a Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: kid and you're watching Nickelodeon and you don't know how television worked, then of course it makes sense. and your brain just naturally connects those two things. And then people just repeat it and then it's like gospel kind of thing. But she one of the outlets she talked about it on was the Ma Markey podcast. and I j I just wanted to play like a little short clip on that one, if it's okay. Tita Lors: Yeah. But her not wrapping it up is the reason she ended Robin Axline: Whoa. Yeah. Tita Lors: up pregnant at sixteen. Robin Axline: Yeah. And the funny thing is a lot of the comments I was reading though, which I just find hilarious, is that people were like, hmm, she's only making this up because she wants to make her daughter feel better. It's it's true still. Tita Lors: It's true still, people. Robin Axline: so many comments you wouldn't believe. Tita Lors: I mean even if it was true, like who cares? You're Robin Axline: Ha ha Tita Lors: blaming a little baby who like literally did not ask to be born? Robin Axline: I know. man. So I just it's crazy how hard it is for someone to correct the story that people have about them. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: It's like so like etched in. but the last person I was gonna talk about is Hayda Pantier and her memoir was very good and you know obviously after she passed away, which was rec very recent Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Like a what, last week? As the time of recording. Yeah. Robin Axline: Yeah, like last week. Yeah. the things she wrote about kind of hit different, I would say. And I just wanna be careful. It's I'm not gonna be talking about her death or that kind of stuff or her psychologically, but I was just gonna say something that she actually told us in an interview I watched with Gail King on CBS Mornings. And the thing is like she started out incredibly young. Her mom was taking to her her two auditions when she was eight months old. Tita Lors: Eight what kind of an audition are you doing at eight months old? Smiling? my god. That's so insane. Robin Axline: I don't know, they have to prop her up and yeah. and so sh by the time she was five, she had done around fifty commercials. I mean Tita Lors: Wow. Robin Axline: yeah. And then in the book I sh she said her mom taught her to cry on cue. And once the producers and on different things found out that she could do it almost without fail, it was like in everything she cried. She was like in a soap opera Tita Lors: Mm hmm. Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: and all these different things. Tita Lors: Well she was she was and is so freaking cute. Robin Axline: Uh-huh. Exactly. And so those little things that she used like, remembering when her dog died or something it got when she got older she had to start thinking of like darker imagery to make herself cry. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: And so she would have to hold on to like a lot of that emotion and then she just har like I was saying earlier, she had a really hard time getting back out of it and sometimes she would carry that s like into her life, like that was an open channel, like you were saying, like a live wire. And she said in that interview, she's like, I didn't know where my character started and where I ended. Tita Lors: How can you know? I can't Poor Hayden. Robin Axline: And so she felt she also said when she was a kid, she was confused because she'd be experiencing like these deep sadness feelings and then everybody around her would like, Yay, good job, like all happy and smiley and stuff. And so just took an emotional toll and then finally and it's funny you said this, she said she found the right therapist to make these connections and and start healing. And oof, like Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: It it kinda made god. Tita Lors: Well it's just it's just so confusing, right? Like your brain Your brain now as an adult does not know the difference between reality and pretend. And that's why when we when you're acting and you're pretending and all that stuff, it feels real. It is real. Your brain is actively experiencing it. Or when you're playing out these like what if scenarios in your brain of like, well, what if this happens, what if that happens, and you start to feel those really big, scary, anxious feelings, it's because your brain is actively experiencing that worst. Case scenario thing that you're telling it is going to happen or it's telling you is going to happen, right? Like it doesn't know the difference between this actually happened or it didn't happen. Al you know, with science now allegedly, that's where we stand on that. So now imagine a child where you're in this scene where everything around you actually looks like this is legit happening, and you are you're not acting. You're actually experiencing this in real life. Robin Axline: Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Tita Lors: Like it's and if you don't have somebody there with you to be like, honey, like that was so rough. It's pretend this isn't real. You know, and walk that kid through those feelings, then yeah, you're gonna have a lot of child actors experiencing some very difficult things as they grow up and not knowing what the fuck reality is anymore. Yeah. If adults have a hard time with it, how do you think a kid is going to do with this? Robin Axline: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. yeah, that's a dang, that's a really good one too. Totally. Tita Lors: Yeah, right. Like like people who play the Joker have whenever they go into what's that style of acting? Where you like you emb met method acting. if you do Joker and you do method acting, right, the whole curse was that everyone who plays Joker dies or really struggles significantly with mental illness. Yeah. Hello. Because that's a really dark place to go into and to really understand the psyche of somebody who would do those things in their mind for the greater good. It really, really fucks with you. So imagine a child having to like lose someone they love and care about. Robin Axline: And then to access those things and then get praise for it is even more whacked out. Like yikes. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. I know. Like you have I what I mean, good job, great acting skills. Bravo. Right? And let's come back to reality now. The reality is your daddy didn't die. Your dad's fine. The reality is nobody has abandoned you, right? And bringing them back down to reality. But if nobody brings you back to reality That's exactly. That's a lot of adult emotions for children to handle. Robin Axline: Yeah, that's true. so yeah, I just also yeah, so I just wanted to fast forward to like when Hayden Paneteer got on the show called Nashville. I didn't really watch much of it but Yeah, so she her character was named Juliet Barnes and she in that interview she said that it felt like she was looking in a fun house mirror and because th her character was going through just like the busy thing that overlapped with her real life, postpartum depression, addiction, relationship problems, all of it. And then she said it was a really painful experience just going to work and then having to perform emotions she was like literally experiencing. then in her life. And so it was like a weird bookend to stu it couldn't have been healthy. to play out that stuff. And I I also did read that when she did talk about postpartum depression publicly, Neutrogena dropped her in their in her contract. She'd like with Neutrogena for like a long time. And they were like, Well that's not we don't want that affiliated kind of thing. And then this is even more sad is like recently they just did one of those like text apology things that were like, yeah, this like, Tita Lors: Seriously. Robin Axline: what a mistake and this and this and so f st yeah, serious, Tita Lors: shove it. Robin Axline: like you got caught. You got got Tita Lors: Yeah. man. Robin Axline: Ugh. Anyways, so yeah, I just feel like as an adult, having to perform fictional versions of like this pain that she's really experiencing just sounds so hard and then I I guess I just wanna be clear that I'm not saying one caused the other 'cause we don't know that. But she herself said those early experiences took the emotional toll. And she herself said that the natural experience was just deeply difficult. Yeah. I don't know if we have much time left. I did have a couple questions to follow up, but I have to cut those out for today. Ooh. Tita Lors: Hmm. You can ask one question. We are out of time according to this timer, so you can ask one question. Robin Axline: Alright, let's see. I'm just a just a big old time person. Okay, let's see. Let's see what's a good one. Gosh, these are all such good. what responsibility does an audience have when consuming someone's real life pain as entertainment? Tita Lors: kind of a hard one 'cause how do you know? Right, for yeah. Like how are we supp how could we have known? Especially because rightfully so, people are so protective of their lives. it's more of like I think it's more responsibility of pick production and people to be aware of how they support people through this and how they show up for people who when like when this is happening, to be responsible with people's lives. Like you are not you are not an object to be consumed here and your life is not consumable. You are an actor and you should be acting things, not living your life out on a screen. Robin Axline: Yeah, that's so true. And like you there's no way you can have a healthy atmosphere on set when those kinds of things are at play. And I feel like as an Tita Lors: Yeah. Or at least have support for people. Sorry. Robin Axline: yeah, no. Yeah. And then I think like as an audience, I think the world at whole could like really tone down the celeb gosse kind of nonsense. just like every day, you know, there's something on like Dumas or the Post or whatever. And it's fun, right? But it also is people's lives. So I think if everyone just kinda like zoomed out a little bit and stopped being such keyboard warriors for one. Like why would Why would they torture the Jimmy Lynn's daughter? Just sounded crazy. Tita Lors: Yeah, that has literally nothing to do with you. Or her. Like even Robin Axline: Zero. Yeah, it's just like w why? Yeah, I don't know. Tita Lors: if it was true, Jamie her s if you if if there has to be blame, which I don't think there has to be blame at all, it would be Jamie and whoever the baby daddy is. Because they didn't wrap it up and it's their fault then, not the baby's fault. Robin Axline: Mm-hmm. Tita Lors: The fuck? Robin Axline: So true. gosh. Tita Lors: But not that we have to point fingers or blame anybody, but if you wanted to, point it there. Yeah. And I think like you have a good point too, like we could totally tone it down on like the voyeurism of people's lives. Like why do we care what what these people are doing in their lives? I like I don't get me wrong, the Tom and Zind Zindaya, Zendaya of it all, like it's so interesting and I love hearing about their love and but I also love how private it all is. And I'm very much like, go you guys, yay, you got married but I don't care about your wedding Like Robin Axline: I know, I know. It's like we all do it, but it's I d I'm not even saying stop doing it, I'm just saying like maybe zoom out a Yeah, Tita Lors: Back off. Yeah. Robin Axline: just kinda like stop making it about you. Tita Lors: Exactly. Well I don't know when I said it, if it was like the last episode that we just recorded or this one, but like take several steps back. Robin Axline: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't remember which one it was now. Yes, I agree. but yes, so I feel like we can both agree on those. to that I like how I like where our answers went with that one, because I wasn't really sure how it was gonna play out. but it's I liked our response. Anywho, do you have a we're gonna whiplash y'all into glimmers? Tita Lors: Ha ha. Yeah, well before we do that, since you have so many hard Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: hitting questions and they're always really good, you know, we're toying around with a newsletter and whether you guys like it or not, we're gonna do it. Eventually. Probably. We're, you know. Yes. Robin Axline: Yes, yes. Most likely. Tita Lors: So those questions will be in the newsletter and then you can answer in the newsletter and we get to hear what you have to say. And I'm so excited for that. Robin Axline: Me too. I spent so much time writing these. so we'd love to hear Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: what you all think. Tita Lors: Yeah. And maybe I'll answer them in the newsletter too. who knows? Jake's Yomi A soda. Robin Axline: Maybe I will too. I don't know. Who knows? Anything can happen. Robin, Robin, Robin. Tita Lors: Ha ha ha ha. Robin Axline: man. yes. Tita Lors: Okay, let's see. Glimmers. Do I have another glimmer? I feel like I do. Let's see. do do do do do do do do do. I do, I know. I but I didn't write it down, of course. Why would I do that? I know. Once somebody says forgetful as me, why would I write down the thing that I wanted to write down? I don't even have it here with me. It's it's such it's such a basic glimmer. So cut my hair, looks fab, yay, okay. and I bought a flat hair clip and I was like, this is gonna be such a waste of money. Why am I doing this to myself? Because hair clips typically I break because I have my hair is like really thick. But I saw somebody do like a hairstyle with it and I'm like, Will that work now that my hair is shorter maybe? And it does. Yeah. Robin Axline: Yay. And now the tool is useful. Tita Lors: It worked really well. It is. I know I didn't waste my money. so I like do that and it looks really cute. It does like the whole fliffy hair thing. It's so adorable. I like the way I'm not doing it now 'cause it's I had my hair up and tension and now my head hurts. But like it's I love it. So that's that's my glimmer. I have a new flat hair clip that gives me a different hairstyle. Robin Axline: Man, that is the best. I love a success story. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: well my glimmer actually came out of working on this episode, where I think there is definitely something kind of freeing about realizing that you don't have to know the whole story. And it came to me that I think sometimes, you know, we all feel that we have to understand why somebody did something, even people in your regular life. what really happened or what someone else's life is like. And sometimes we don't know those reasons and that's just okay. I think everybody needs that reminder sometimes. It's like Y'all don't need to like know everything about everyone or people don't have to disclose that either. And sometimes we can just say, you know, I thought I knew that and I was wrong. And just update the story in your brain files. So that's my glimmer. Yeah. Tita Lors: Mm. Yeah. yay. I also like what you said about like I didn't know that and I was wrong. And how just nonchalant you were about it. I can't tell you how often I swear I'm like, shit, I was wrong. My bad. I do that with right. Robin Axline: Mm-hmm. Tita Lors: And I think if we could all do that with ourselves and be open and okay with just being wrong, that would Take a lot of pressure from us to always be right or to know the right thing or to be the smartest person in the room or whatever. There's just there's no pressure. Who cares? Honestly, you can get it wrong. It's okay to like to say the wrong thing and then laugh about it later. Robin Axline: like what is the fear that's holding everybody to this thing. It's insane. And the Tita Lors: Mm. Yeah. Robin Axline: more you can do that, the more other people can do it and it can, you know, you pay it forward in a way. So yeah. Tita Lors: Yeah. Well this was fun. Thank you. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Robin Axline: Yeah, just like felt a nostalgia attack coming on, so I had to make sure I could cure it. so I had a question Tita Lors: Yes. Robin Axline: for the audience. Have you ever believed a story about someone for years and then found out you had it completely wrong? Tita Lors: Ooh, that's a really good question. I feel like I have an answer, but I'm not gonna answer it now. I guess you're just gonna have to look at the newsletter. Robin Axline: Okay. Those eyeballs ready and so Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: or or I I know another one I audience, if you tell us celebrity stories you believed and they turned out to be false, that would be a fun, fun one too. We'd love to hear what you think. And if you all enjoyed this episode, follow our podcast, leave us a review, send it to someone who loves celebrity gossip or loves getting Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: way too deep about why people behave the way they do. because apparently That's where we're at right now. So I guess. But so looks like that's all we have for today. And if you enjoy enjoyed hanging out, please, please, please subscribe where you ever you find your podcasts. And you don't miss you won't miss our next episode. So until next time, stay petty. Tita Lors: Bucket. Bye-bye. Robin Axline: Bye.