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49ers Lock In Trent Williams, Inside the GM Mindset Before the Draft & Teams NOT trading draft picks · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on my people? John Middlecoff
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Speaker 1: three Now Podcast. How are we doing? Hopefully everyone's doing
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Speaker 1: well out there in the real world. And as we
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Speaker 1: prepare for the draft, which your boys rooting for chaos,
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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for trades. I'm rooting for crazy picks. I
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Speaker 1: root for stories. When when you're in this business, you
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Speaker 1: root for nuts. So let's let's get nuts. That's what
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm hoping for come Thursday, because by the time
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Speaker 1: you get to Friday, you get some players drafted from
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Speaker 1: random schools that have been on four different transfer portals
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Speaker 1: and different plays like I don't even I don't even
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Speaker 1: remember watching this guy play. So Thursday night, hopefully is insane.
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Speaker 1: I think me and Colin will do something in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the first round and then I'll record a
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Speaker 1: reaction at the end of the draft for sure. So
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Speaker 1: we will have podcasts Thursday and Friday and then probably
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Speaker 1: definitely a big one kind of recap Sunday of all
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Speaker 1: the madness going on. But we got a lot of
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Speaker 1: stories from Trent Williams, d aj Brown, some nuggets on
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Speaker 1: the Dexter Lawrence trade. Chris Ballard had some comments Fugazi Friday.
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Speaker 1: I might mix in a little bit today because it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be so draft heavy on Friday. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if we're gonna have time to kind of screw around,
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Speaker 1: because well, you never know. It's not like I'm breaking
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Speaker 1: down every third round pick. But I just want to
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Speaker 1: give myself a little little wiggle room. So I got
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Speaker 1: a fugazi today and we'll have podcasts leading up to
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Speaker 1: the draft and then, like I said, reacting. But you
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Speaker 1: an episode. We appreciate you. And let's just let's just
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Speaker 1: dive right in with the Trent Williams situation. He gets,
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Speaker 1: you know, an extension, he gets more guaranteed money. All
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Speaker 1: signs point to him finishing his career as a forty
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Speaker 1: nine er. He'll be thirty eight this year, he's be
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Speaker 1: on the team. Next year, he'll be thirty nine. Now, obviously,
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Speaker 1: you know, guys can play longer. In all of sports.
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Speaker 1: We see how good Lebron still looks. You know, Tom
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Speaker 1: Brady was an outlier played until forty five, but you
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Speaker 1: see a lot of guys pushing forty now that you
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Speaker 1: just simply did not, you know, definitely when I was
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Speaker 1: a kid. And the huge part of that is, you know,
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Speaker 1: rehab training, all the different mechanisms that guys have now
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Speaker 1: to keep their body regardless of position, ready to go
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Speaker 1: well into their mid to late thirties, which which is cool.
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Speaker 1: And for these guys, if you're good, you can cash in.
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Speaker 1: You know, Mike Evan's a good example. If Mike Evans
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Speaker 1: stays healthy and is just good, like he's going to
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Speaker 1: see a lot of money, even though his contract's not
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Speaker 1: all guaranteed by the forty nine ers, like he will
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Speaker 1: play for multiple years on the forty nine ers if
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Speaker 1: he has a good report with brog Purty. I'll promise
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Speaker 1: you that, you know, because Kyle Shanahan's gonna like him.
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Speaker 1: And I think, listen, sometimes sometimes in life you're just
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Speaker 1: gifted something that you go I don't know how this
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Speaker 1: quite happened. I think about it all the time. However,
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Speaker 1: my relationship happened with Colin. People ask me, it's like
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Speaker 1: I think we met on Twitter. He's started having me
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Speaker 1: on his podcast, and you know, a decade plus later,
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Speaker 1: we've been in business for a long period of time,
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Speaker 1: and it changed the course of my life. I know
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Speaker 1: a lot of you guys listening, you know, sometimes you
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Speaker 1: just organically meet someone, a lot of you guys you
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Speaker 1: know in college, maybe a future business partner, maybe someone
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Speaker 1: that helps you get a job, maybe someone down the
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Speaker 1: road who introduces you to a wife who knows. That's
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Speaker 1: the crazy part about life. Usually, though, when you have
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Speaker 1: a left tackle retire, right, I mean, we look at
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, Joe Staley's like, I'm gonna retire,
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Speaker 1: you'd kind of be in a tough spot. You'd have
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Speaker 1: to use draft capital and keep your fingers crossed that
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Speaker 1: you can get a starting left tackle or a guy
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Speaker 1: just picks up the phone. Yeah, I've been retired. I'm
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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer and I only want to come
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Speaker 1: to your team. Well, at the time, the Redskins, they
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Speaker 1: might have been the football team I can't quite keep
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Speaker 1: up with that. Wanted to trade them to Minnesota because
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Speaker 1: Minnesota was offering more than the forty nine ers, but
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Speaker 1: Trent Williams said no, I will not sign a contract
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Speaker 1: with him. I only want to go to the forty
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Speaker 1: nine ers. It was a little bit like, you know,
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Speaker 1: an NBA type move and Staley retires and they upgrade.
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Speaker 1: You know, Staley had been to countless Pro Bowls, like,
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Speaker 1: he had been a high end starting left tackle for
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Speaker 1: a long period of time. Was a late first round
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Speaker 1: pick because he was a I think a tight end
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Speaker 1: who moved to tackle. He's a little undersize and with
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Speaker 1: time put on the weight and was fine. Was a
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Speaker 1: high end player. But the forty nine ers got gifted
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Speaker 1: that thing in the Shanahan era. I mean they sometimes
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Speaker 1: the football gods got to throw you a bone, right,
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Speaker 1: The football gods threw them a bone when they screwed
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Speaker 1: up the Trey Lance thing, and the football gods threw
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Speaker 1: them a bone that this Trent Williams situation played out
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Speaker 1: the way it did. But I also said this when
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Speaker 1: and this is the first thought that came into my
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Speaker 1: mind every time Trent goes, I need more money. Don't
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Speaker 1: blame him, He's got all the leverage. What are your
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Speaker 1: other options? I think your offensive line, the talent on
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Speaker 1: that overall unit for the forty nine ers is more
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Speaker 1: than debatable, and he by far is your best player.
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Speaker 1: Even in his I don't know if he's on like
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Speaker 1: the seventeenth hole of his career. So it's like, listen,
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Speaker 1: this is a business. We always say that. Some of
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Speaker 1: my favorite content on the internet right now, I see
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Speaker 1: this a lot with the NBA. The former NBA players
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Speaker 1: Carmel or Anthony went viral for this, but NFL all
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Speaker 1: these players do it like you guys don't know what
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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollar contract actually look like after taxes.
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Speaker 1: After It's like, guys, everyone pays taxes, like everyone in society,
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Speaker 1: whether you make fifty grand or fifty million dollars, knows
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Speaker 1: what the IRS is and sees their paycheck when the
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Speaker 1: IRS gets a hold of it, whether you're making fifty
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Speaker 1: million or sign a fifty million dollar contract or just
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Speaker 1: some blue collar guy making seventy thousand dollars, you know,
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Speaker 1: installing whatever, Like they understand that Uncle Sam takes his cut.
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Speaker 1: I could never get over when a guy on some
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Speaker 1: podcasts we usually this incredible studio because these guys are
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Speaker 1: super rich. It's like, guys, we get it, like we understand,
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Speaker 1: like you don't get to keep all that money like
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Speaker 1: most people in society can fallow. You don't need this
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Speaker 1: crazy explanation. And I'll promise you this. It's probably not
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Speaker 1: gonna land with the average fan like you think it will,
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Speaker 1: or maybe you don't even comprehend because you can't even
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Speaker 1: relate to that guy. But Trent Williams is the guy
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Speaker 1: who's made a lot of money since he's been a
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Speaker 1: forty nine er, and I think this puts into play
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Speaker 1: and listen, this is what's difficult about running a scouting
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Speaker 1: department when your coach has a lot of juice because
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Speaker 1: you go, well, we got our starting left tackle, we
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Speaker 1: have our right tackle. We just a fired this offseason
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Speaker 1: a swing tackle from the Patriots. Like we got enough
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Speaker 1: right we can land a guy maybe in the middle
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Speaker 1: to late rounds as a developmental guy. And I'd push back,
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Speaker 1: and I think most people in the scouting department would
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Speaker 1: push back of like, you know, I would invest in
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Speaker 1: a guy at the tackle position, even if it is
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Speaker 1: like a big picture project to get around Trent Williams,
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Speaker 1: because one of your values as a veteran player, as
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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame player, is when you get a young,
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Speaker 1: up and coming project that gets to watch that guy
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Speaker 1: every day. Even if he doesn't have his capabilities or
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Speaker 1: will never be as good as that guy, he benefits
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Speaker 1: from that. It's why a lot of teams take flyers
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Speaker 1: on character guys with big, stable, you know, position rooms.
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Speaker 1: It's why the Eagles felt comfortable making the Jalen Carter move.
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Speaker 1: They went, well, we got Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox in
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Speaker 1: the room, so it's kind of like you kind of
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Speaker 1: got to follow our lead. We know what we're doing,
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Speaker 1: and it typically benefits guys. You know, Jordan my lottam
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Speaker 1: pretty sure Jason Peters was on the roster as well
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Speaker 1: as Lane Johnson when they took the dude from Australia. Now,
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Speaker 1: that's clearly the best case, and that's an outlier situation,
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Speaker 1: but oftentimes the coaches push back because what are the
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Speaker 1: coaches consumed with? How are we gonna win week one?
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Speaker 1: How are we going to win double dig games? How
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Speaker 1: are we gonna win the division? How are we gonna
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Speaker 1: be in the playoffs? Not that gms are not as well,
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Speaker 1: but how we mentioned this last week. When you draft
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Speaker 1: a guy, especially in the first or second round, you're
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Speaker 1: thinking how they're gonna look your two in year three.
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Speaker 1: It's like you can't get overwhelmed or down on a
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Speaker 1: guy he struggles in OTAs if he has an up
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Speaker 1: and down training camp, hopefully he does. It should be difficult.
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Speaker 1: Most guys don't just show up and hit the ground running.
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Speaker 1: Most guys don't have like historic rookie seasons. That's not
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Speaker 1: the case for most players. Listen. I followed DeVante Adams's
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Speaker 1: career closely when he was at Presdent State, and all
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Speaker 1: you Packer fans know those this a couple of years
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Speaker 1: were really rocky. I remember hearing Devonte on Crosby's podcast,
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Speaker 1: probably I don't know, within the last couple of years
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Speaker 1: saying like by year two it was not going good.
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Speaker 1: I was not playing well, and then everything changed. Confidence
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Speaker 1: is a powerful thing, right, especially as a young person.
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Speaker 1: This is a Paul Aisinger saying for golf, but I
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Speaker 1: think it really resonates with young people. Confidence. When you
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Speaker 1: have it, you feel like you're never gonna lose it,
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Speaker 1: and when you've lost it, you feel like you're never
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Speaker 1: gonna get it back. And there's a pressure now with
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Speaker 1: social media, the amount of money, the way this league
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Speaker 1: is covered, it's really really intense. But I think John
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Speaker 1: Lynch has to make a hard stance. Again, you can't
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Speaker 1: just force a position to force a position. This was
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Speaker 1: always Chris Ballard's thing with the quarterback because for like
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Speaker 1: six straight years they were just bandating the position when
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Speaker 1: Luck tapped out. But he's like, I can't just take
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Speaker 1: a quarterback. Take a quarterback because we need a young
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Speaker 1: quarterback if we don't like any of these guys when
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Speaker 1: we were drafting. And there's truth to that, and they're
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Speaker 1: a good example. We'll get into the Anthey Richardson situation
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Speaker 1: a little bit that they clearly forced that pick and
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Speaker 1: it blew up in their face. I mean, was an
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Speaker 1: atomic bomb in their building. It was a disaster, right,
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Speaker 1: and they got lucky. The Daniel Jones, I guess saved him.
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Speaker 1: I won't see, actually had a good start to the
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Speaker 1: season but then got injured and then took him for
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Speaker 1: like eighty million dollars. But that's what Daniel Jones's representation does.
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Speaker 1: I just think sometimes when these coaches have a lot
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Speaker 1: of Jews, you know the scouting department. I heard this
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Speaker 1: forever with Belichick is like the border would be set,
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Speaker 1: they'd feel pretty confident, and then over the course of
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Speaker 1: the week leading up to the draft, it would dramatically change.
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Speaker 1: Why because Bill would get on the horn to Herm
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Speaker 1: Edwards and listen. I'm guilty of this because I liked
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Speaker 1: Nikhil Harry. Like I watched a lot of Nikhil Harry
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Speaker 1: when he was playing at Arizona State in the Pac twelve.
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Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be a good pro. Clearly
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Speaker 1: he was not, and that was a disastrous pick. But
10:55
Speaker 1: the reason the scouting department did not have him drafted
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Speaker 1: where they graded or where they took him, they had
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Speaker 1: him graded much lower. But Bill Belichick's known HERM Edwards
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Speaker 1: for decades, gets on the horn with them and gets
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Speaker 1: sold on it. And that was always his thing, calling
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Speaker 1: these head coaches, And what do I always say, like
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Speaker 1: these head coaches, you got to be careful for my
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Speaker 1: experience and talking to these guys. You got to be
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Speaker 1: extremely careful about the information you're getting from them because
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Speaker 1: they are incentivized. Right, you show me, tell me the outcome,
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Speaker 1: I'll show you the incentive. Or is it show me
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Speaker 1: the incentive, I'll show you the outcome. Right. They are
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Speaker 1: definitely incentivized to hype up their guys because the higher
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Speaker 1: they're drafted, the better it looks for their program, the
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Speaker 1: easier it is for them to put out social clips
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Speaker 1: of like six guys drafted in the top twenty five
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Speaker 1: the last four years. Look at what coach X is doing.
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Speaker 1: And I don't blame them. I would do the same thing,
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Speaker 1: but I just these the best general managers are always
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Speaker 1: forward thinking, are always thinking big picture, are always going
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Speaker 1: this guy is going to help us. I thought the
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Speaker 1: Bears did a great job last year because you'd be like, well,
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Speaker 1: they already got tight ends and wide receivers. Well, their
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Speaker 1: first two picks were Loveland and Luther Burden. And what
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Speaker 1: happens a year later? You went, well, Dj Moore is
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Speaker 1: no longer on the team, and I would imagine Cole
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Speaker 1: Kmet's not getting a second contract. So it's like you
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Speaker 1: got to be thinking two, three, four years down the road,
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Speaker 1: which can be difficult when you're in this We got
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Speaker 1: to take advantage of this win now mode. It's my
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Speaker 1: thing with the Rams. Everyone when I'm down with Colin,
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Speaker 1: I know he's buddies with Less. Everyone's mocking them and
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Speaker 1: talking about them taking a wide receiver, and I just
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Speaker 1: it's hard for me when you've had a handful less
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Speaker 1: than a handful, right, I think it's three or four
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Speaker 1: first round picks in twelve or thirteen years, Like you
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Speaker 1: never have first round picks, and most of the time
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Speaker 1: you're drafting from twenty five to thirty two, so you're
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Speaker 1: never drafting high. You got gifted because of a great
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Speaker 1: trade pick thirteen. And if you have the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: get an impact player at a premium position like offensive tackle,
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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be difficult because hey, the guy might
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Speaker 1: not play this year, or he might not be ready.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's the Georgia tackle and it's like, hey, we
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Speaker 1: kind of red shirt him. You will not regret that
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Speaker 1: in a couple of years. But does McKay Lemon or
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Speaker 1: you know, Jordan Tyson or if Carnell Tates there a
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Speaker 1: guy like that give them the best chance to win
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Speaker 1: because it adds their depth this year for sure. But
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Speaker 1: I just think you gotta be very, very careful, Like
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Speaker 1: I've seen your organization. The two best wide receivers you've drafted,
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Speaker 1: who are I mean, one's a Super Bowl MVP and
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Speaker 1: the other guy through three years a Hall of Famer.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying Puka's gonna go to the Hall
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Speaker 1: of fame. But if he maintains the way he's played
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Speaker 1: for four more years and it's seven seasons doing what
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Speaker 1: he's doing, that's just a hall of fame career, like
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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown's six year stretch in Pittsburgh is a hall
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Speaker 1: of fame career, right, And I it's like, you found
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Speaker 1: that guy in the third and the fifth round. So
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Speaker 1: I trust your ability in Kyle Shanahan's big thing. And
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Speaker 1: this is where I disagree philosophically a little with them. Clearly,
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Speaker 1: the results speak for themselves because they've had a lot
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Speaker 1: of success. But this gets back to like you kind
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Speaker 1: of got gifted, Trent Williams, because their thing is we believe,
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Speaker 1: if all things are equal, take a playmaker over an
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. And it's like, I disagree with that when
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Speaker 1: I look at the best playmakers that you have or
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Speaker 1: over the course of the forty nine ers, Kyle Shanahan, Era, Deebo,
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Speaker 1: Samuel pretty high, second round pick, George Kittle, third day pick,
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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. You traded for a second, a third, and
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Speaker 1: a fourth round pick, so you don't have to use
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Speaker 1: a first round round him brock Perty your quarterback. You
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Speaker 1: got for a seventh. Before that, Jimmy Garoppolo your quarterback.
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Speaker 1: I'm not counting Trey Lance, which blew up in their face,
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Speaker 1: which shows you gotta be careful. Would have been better
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Speaker 1: off just taken a lineman. Jimmy Garoppolo you got for
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Speaker 1: a second round pick. So that first round, once upon
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Speaker 1: a time, you tried to replace Buckner with kid Law,
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Speaker 1: which was a risk in this. We talked about this
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Speaker 1: yesterday with the Big Trade. Their inherent risk in everything
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Speaker 1: you do, so I things are not always gonna go well.
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Speaker 1: I don't care if you're running football team. I don't
15:10
Speaker 1: care if you're doing a podcast. I don't care if
15:12
Speaker 1: you're out there doing I don't think door to door
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Speaker 1: sales exist anymore, but just sales in general. You're gonna
15:17
Speaker 1: have some things blow up in your face. That that's
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Speaker 1: part of business. And they took Javon Kinlaw, who was
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Speaker 1: just I mean, it was I even risky for drafts sakes.
15:31
Speaker 1: The next pick was Tristan Worf's. Now, it's always easy
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Speaker 1: to play the Monday morning quarterback, and look back, you
15:36
Speaker 1: should have taken this guy. I'm as guilty as anyone
15:39
Speaker 1: because it's a fun conversation to have, Well, they could
15:41
Speaker 1: have taken this guy that Raiders graphic for like two decades, Like, well,
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Speaker 1: they could add Calvin Johns. They could have had Aaron Rodgers,
15:47
Speaker 1: they could ad Aaron Donald, they could have had this
15:48
Speaker 1: guy and that Julio Jones. It's like, well, you could
15:51
Speaker 1: probably play that game with a lot of teams. It
15:54
Speaker 1: just hurts a little harder when you always suck, and
15:56
Speaker 1: the point of the game is to win, right, The
15:58
Speaker 1: point of the game is to win. It's not the draft,
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Speaker 1: it's not free agency. Like ultimately, Questi in Minnesota got fired,
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Speaker 1: not just because he was a horrendous drafter, which I
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Speaker 1: think historically poor four year stretch, the amount of guys playing,
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Speaker 1: the amount of snaps, it's like unprecedented how many guys
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Speaker 1: he's drafted that couldn't play. But if they had won
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Speaker 1: fourteen games two years ago and last year had won
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Speaker 1: twelve games and been back to the playoffs, even if
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Speaker 1: there were some weird internal dynamics, I don't think Questy's
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Speaker 1: fired because again, his job, like Kevin O'Connell's job, is
16:31
Speaker 1: wins and losses. That's how you're judged. Because at this
16:34
Speaker 1: point in time, every team is guaranteed to make money.
16:37
Speaker 1: But when you win, you wait make way more money.
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Speaker 1: So you win, you make your owner more money even
16:43
Speaker 1: if things are weird. It's like, figure it out, guys,
16:45
Speaker 1: be grown ups. That's why I pay you both millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars. So I just think that part of the
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Speaker 1: draft is balancing. And I remember Lewis Riddick told me
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Speaker 1: this a long time ago, and this was kind of
16:56
Speaker 1: something we used to talk about with the Eagles, is
16:58
Speaker 1: a position of strength can become a position of weakness
17:02
Speaker 1: with like a broken leg and a messed up elbow
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Speaker 1: really quick. It's like we got the best offensive line,
17:07
Speaker 1: a line in the league that we said that about
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Speaker 1: the Bears. Their guard tackle or excuse me, their guard
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Speaker 1: center guard was as good as anyone in the league.
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Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, the center retires. You went, whoa.
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Speaker 1: You know it throws you off immediately. So the one thing,
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Speaker 1: one guy goes down like AJ Brown and DeVante Smith,
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Speaker 1: best one two combo not gonna be anymore, but one
17:30
Speaker 1: of them over the course of the last three or
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Speaker 1: four years. Obviously got weird last year. But if one
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Speaker 1: of them has a major injury, your one two combo
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Speaker 1: goes out the window. So you got to there's a
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Speaker 1: balance of always having reinforcements, of always thinking big picture,
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Speaker 1: and that is the general manager's job, and then part
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Speaker 1: of his job is managing up because even if he
17:50
Speaker 1: is above the coach, which I don't know, we'd have
17:55
Speaker 1: to go team by team to quite figure out the hierarchy.
17:58
Speaker 1: It probably changes depending where you are, right. Obviously, the
18:01
Speaker 1: Giants he's at top, Kyle Shanahan, he's at top Eagles.
18:05
Speaker 1: The Seattle like their general managers are like are picking
18:09
Speaker 1: the players, but when training camp starts, the coaches are
18:13
Speaker 1: the one putting the guys in eleven on eleven, giving
18:16
Speaker 1: them the reps and the drills, giving him the reps
18:19
Speaker 1: in the preseason, you can talk to them all. That
18:21
Speaker 1: guy has all the juice that way, so managing to
18:23
Speaker 1: him through your owner is very, very complicated. And this
18:27
Speaker 1: is something that you don't learn in Scout school. You
18:29
Speaker 1: just either have that kind of emotional intelligence, that ability
18:32
Speaker 1: to communicate, or you don't. And that's been a downfall
18:35
Speaker 1: of some guys, right. Trent Balk's a good example his
18:38
Speaker 1: ability to manage and manage up in terms of ownership,
18:42
Speaker 1: owners love them Jed York loved him, like, refuse to
18:45
Speaker 1: fire him forever. Out of nowhere, the cons hired him
18:49
Speaker 1: and it felt like they were gonna be pretty loyal
18:51
Speaker 1: to him until they got to a point of no return.
18:54
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, he struggles to deal with the coach.
18:58
Speaker 1: So it's like, your job isn't just to deal with
18:59
Speaker 1: the you have to be able to interact and deal
19:02
Speaker 1: with the coach. So I think this is a time
19:05
Speaker 1: where there's a balancing act of almost trying to sell
19:09
Speaker 1: some guys. I clicked on this video the other day
19:12
Speaker 1: of Jeff Hafley. Lebtard was interviewing him and he says,
19:16
Speaker 1: part of this time, and it's so true, is you're
19:19
Speaker 1: gonna argue with your general manager. You're gonna say, I
19:22
Speaker 1: don't like this guy, you got this guy, You think
19:25
Speaker 1: we should take this guy in the top of the
19:26
Speaker 1: second to me, I wouldn't take him to the third
19:29
Speaker 1: day of the draft. And it goes both ways. It
19:32
Speaker 1: could be the coach loving a guy and the general
19:34
Speaker 1: managers like I don't see it, and part of their
19:36
Speaker 1: job is to hash it out and come to some
19:39
Speaker 1: sort of agreement, like Okay, we got to agree to disagree.
19:43
Speaker 1: Do we just come to the conclusion of, like, listen,
19:46
Speaker 1: would we take this guy in this round? Would you
19:48
Speaker 1: be comfortable. I'm not gonna force my opinion on you
19:51
Speaker 1: if you don't agree with me, because, let's face it,
19:54
Speaker 1: the front office views players simply through a different prism
19:59
Speaker 1: than the coach. They do because the coach factors in
20:03
Speaker 1: immediate impact and that they view things through the scheme, right,
20:08
Speaker 1: and let's face it, a lot of coaches kind of
20:10
Speaker 1: come and go. It's why you got to be very
20:12
Speaker 1: careful about drafting guys for the scheme when you're coach.
20:17
Speaker 1: Robert Saw had a lot of juice last year in
20:19
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers draft. He just did I mean,
20:22
Speaker 1: it's kind of been reported on people kind of you know,
20:25
Speaker 1: beat around the bush when talking about it. He had
20:27
Speaker 1: a lot of power. He was there like eleven months. Now,
20:32
Speaker 1: you bring in a guy who's also with Kyle, and
20:34
Speaker 1: obviously Kyle's the boss, but you're gonna let a defensive
20:37
Speaker 1: coordinator have a bunch of juice in the draft room.
20:42
Speaker 1: The guy could be gone in a couple of years,
20:43
Speaker 1: whether he gets fired, whether he goes on and becomes
20:45
Speaker 1: a head coach and works for offensive coordinators as well.
20:48
Speaker 1: Is what makes this time so challenging. There are so
20:51
Speaker 1: many you know, what's the old saying, too many cooks
20:53
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. There are just a lot of cooks
20:55
Speaker 1: in the kitchen in a lot of draft rooms. You
20:57
Speaker 1: have the general manager kind of his comment, whether that's
21:01
Speaker 1: his assistant GM, his scouting director, maybe some of his
21:05
Speaker 1: favorite scouts. Then you have the coach and probably some
21:09
Speaker 1: of his confidants, the coordinators, the position coaches he leans
21:12
Speaker 1: on the most. And then you have the most important guy,
21:15
Speaker 1: the owner. If he wants to get involved, he's sitting
21:18
Speaker 1: in on some of these meetings, and he's gonna have
21:20
Speaker 1: some opinions, right. And I don't even mean like we
21:23
Speaker 1: should draft this guy, we shouldn't draft this guy. It's
21:25
Speaker 1: just when I hear you two talking, here's what I
21:28
Speaker 1: think we should do based on the way you two
21:30
Speaker 1: are talking. And so you just got a lot of
21:32
Speaker 1: guys involved. And then, let's face it, they try to
21:36
Speaker 1: pooh poo this, and I think some organizations do a
21:39
Speaker 1: good job of this. And this goes back to the
21:40
Speaker 1: Pollyon quote of if you listen to the fans, you'll
21:43
Speaker 1: be sitting with them is the outside noise has impact,
21:47
Speaker 1: especially with bad organizations. Right. It impacts the owner, impacts
21:52
Speaker 1: the GM, and it impacts the coach. It's impossible to
21:56
Speaker 1: drownd out all the outside opinions in the outside noise
22:00
Speaker 1: because you know, if you draft, if I'm the Giants
22:04
Speaker 1: and I just draft a corner, let's just say take
22:08
Speaker 1: the corner at five, because I think this guy is
22:10
Speaker 1: the next Derek Stingley. I take the Tennessee guy, I
22:14
Speaker 1: take the LSU kid. I just take whoever my top
22:18
Speaker 1: corner is. I think we think we get a Pro
22:21
Speaker 1: Bowl corner. People be like, what did you just do?
22:24
Speaker 1: You just passed on Caleb Downs on sunny styles on
22:27
Speaker 1: the offensive line, that's who you took. What what if
22:32
Speaker 1: they're right in a couple of years, because once upon
22:35
Speaker 1: a time, it's not apples to apples. But Cassario didn't
22:39
Speaker 1: he take Stingley over sauce, and people like, what did
22:42
Speaker 1: he just do? I think he feels pretty good about
22:44
Speaker 1: that giving this sauce on another team. And Derek Stingley
22:47
Speaker 1: is he's still a good player when he's on the field,
22:51
Speaker 1: but relative to how much money he makes, Like I
22:53
Speaker 1: think every team in the League would take Stingley. Again,
22:55
Speaker 1: this is picking between two players, but I think you
22:58
Speaker 1: gotta be that gets factored in, and that's where the
23:02
Speaker 1: aj Brown situation is. Like was Russini right? Like all
23:08
Speaker 1: these however, you acquire the information, if the information is correct.
23:13
Speaker 1: I've been saying this forever. I don't need like a
23:19
Speaker 1: breakdown of whether you took the guy golfing, whether you've
23:23
Speaker 1: known the guy because you've vacationed together, whether you're Jay
23:26
Speaker 1: Glazier and you throw you know, drinking parties at the
23:29
Speaker 1: owner's meetings, or whether you're doing things inside a lover's
23:33
Speaker 1: resort in Sedona. If you funnel me the information as
23:37
Speaker 1: a consumer of football, as a fan of football, and
23:40
Speaker 1: as a podcaster of football, just just feed me the info.
23:44
Speaker 1: And Diana' been saying this for a while and then
23:46
Speaker 1: Schefter puts out today that Ajit Brown is gonna be
23:49
Speaker 1: on the Patriots because of the cap and the dead
23:52
Speaker 1: money and the contract. I think it has complicated matters
23:55
Speaker 1: sometime this summer. Now, I think it's fair. We've been
23:58
Speaker 1: asked this before, and people talk do they just have
24:01
Speaker 1: a handshake agreement? And I don't have any inside information
24:06
Speaker 1: on this but you'd have to assume there is an
24:08
Speaker 1: inside or a unofficial somewhat understanding of what the parameters
24:16
Speaker 1: are to the aj Brown acquisition. Maybe it's next year's
24:20
Speaker 1: first round pick, because a first round pick in the
24:25
Speaker 1: future is not valued the same as a first round
24:27
Speaker 1: pick now, So typically it's discounted at a certain percentage
24:32
Speaker 1: depending on the teams in how they have kind of
24:35
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24:40
Speaker 1: draft pick so they can make trades. But if I
24:44
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24:47
Speaker 1: is discounted in terms of what I view it, so
24:50
Speaker 1: it's not the same as how he get in the
24:52
Speaker 1: pick thirty two now. Now, I also think I don't
24:54
Speaker 1: think he would do the deal today because of the
24:57
Speaker 1: cap implications it would have. And this is a little
25:00
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25:03
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25:07
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25:10
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25:13
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Speaker 1: couple nuggets with which I think AJ Brown. I think
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27:18
Speaker 1: when Vrabel was on the head coach of the Titans,
27:22
Speaker 1: and that inside the draft room, that video of Rabel
27:26
Speaker 1: just kind of, I don't want to say despondent, but
27:29
Speaker 1: he did not look like a happy camper. And I
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Speaker 1: think there were financial factors from the ownership and it
27:36
Speaker 1: just got away from him and it derailed the franchise. Right,
27:39
Speaker 1: they got rid of a J. Brown, They take Burks
27:41
Speaker 1: from Arkansas, who was a disaster, and a couple of
27:46
Speaker 1: years later, it might have been that first year, didn't
27:48
Speaker 1: Aj go off against them in Tennessee. The team kind
27:51
Speaker 1: of started going the other way, and the general manager
27:53
Speaker 1: got fired, the head coach got fired. It just fucking
27:56
Speaker 1: was a disaster. I mean that's when you look at
28:00
Speaker 1: disastrous moves in franchise history. The Draft Night trade of
28:04
Speaker 1: AJ Brown all time quick backfire for everyone involved. And
28:09
Speaker 1: a trade like that, to me doesn't get does it
28:13
Speaker 1: come to fruition without not only the blessing of ownership,
28:17
Speaker 1: but like, are we sure we shouldn't just pay this
28:19
Speaker 1: guy the contract that the Eagles are about to offer
28:21
Speaker 1: him and I don't know, just keep the good player.
28:27
Speaker 1: Clearly they would like a redo on that one. A
28:29
Speaker 1: couple nuggets with the trade with Dexter Lawrence to the Bengals.
28:36
Speaker 1: One thing that came out in an article today was
28:39
Speaker 1: the Joe Siegel, who's one of the big NFL agents
28:42
Speaker 1: who represents Dexter Lawrence, would not allow John Harbaugh to
28:47
Speaker 1: talk to Lawrence, and a lot of people on social
28:49
Speaker 1: media were kind of assuming that part of the reason was,
28:55
Speaker 1: you know, Harbaugh could turn into salesman convince him. It
28:59
Speaker 1: was all like they were convinced, because I think this
29:04
Speaker 1: is abundantly clear if you followed Harbaugh in the Ravens
29:08
Speaker 1: team building. Dexter Lawrence is his type player. Like if
29:12
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence had the last seven years been on the Ravens,
29:15
Speaker 1: he would have fit right in. I mean, he's the
29:18
Speaker 1: type guy that if you said Dexter Lawrence have paid
29:20
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, he would have been on the Steelers
29:22
Speaker 1: of the Ravens, right and it would have it would
29:25
Speaker 1: have made sense and it would have looked right. And
29:28
Speaker 1: I do believe when John Harbaugh took the job, maybe
29:31
Speaker 1: I'm naive to this, he planned on coaching Dexter Lawrence
29:34
Speaker 1: and having him as one of the key cogs in
29:37
Speaker 1: a much improved team and obviously the best player on
29:40
Speaker 1: his defense. But things change and for whatever reason. You know,
29:44
Speaker 1: I saw Jay Flowers was on the actual podcast on
29:49
Speaker 1: the volume that Leonard Fournette and Jarvis Landry saying that
29:54
Speaker 1: part of the problem with Harbaugh is his practices are
29:58
Speaker 1: just insane, which is a Jim Harball thing, which I
30:02
Speaker 1: would say most of the Ravens run since they has
30:06
Speaker 1: been there up until last year, has been pretty productive
30:10
Speaker 1: because of the physical nature of the team. Like that's
30:13
Speaker 1: like I kind of support now there's a balance, especially
30:18
Speaker 1: these guys aren't used to physical practices anymore. There's not
30:21
Speaker 1: a build up because of training camp. But I don't
30:24
Speaker 1: think it's necessarily a negative. But I see how a
30:26
Speaker 1: little wide receiver doesn't want to be wearing pads in
30:30
Speaker 1: late December. But that's what the Giants are going to do.
30:33
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's a Giants fan alive that
30:35
Speaker 1: goes back to especially that's older than me, that goes
30:37
Speaker 1: what do you think Tom Kaflin and Bill Parcells would
30:39
Speaker 1: have done? They would have had you strapped up and playing.
30:42
Speaker 1: Edelman talked about this forever. He'd be like in the
30:45
Speaker 1: bye week when we would always have the one or
30:47
Speaker 1: two seed for the for the decade plus of the
30:50
Speaker 1: twenty tens, we would like full on scrimmage during that
30:54
Speaker 1: week like that. That was not a dick around, put
30:57
Speaker 1: your feet up, just hang out, and I guess you
30:59
Speaker 1: can't really play golf in New England in January but
31:01
Speaker 1: just screw around like that was a focused, physical week
31:05
Speaker 1: to maintain that level of play. And whether Dexter Lawrence
31:10
Speaker 1: was like I'm not let's just pivot go somewhere else,
31:13
Speaker 1: whether it was just a financial thing, wanted a new
31:15
Speaker 1: start that they would not deal with Joe Shane, they
31:18
Speaker 1: would not deal with John Harbaugh. That's where I think
31:21
Speaker 1: that this got to the point where, listen, this is
31:24
Speaker 1: too much of a headache, and if this isn't gonna work,
31:27
Speaker 1: and maybe Joe Siegel helped facilitate this Bengals number ten overall,
31:31
Speaker 1: that it got to the point of, like, ideally, we
31:33
Speaker 1: would like this guy on our team, but if we're
31:35
Speaker 1: gonna get offered so much something that we never could
31:38
Speaker 1: have dreamed of when at least we started entertaining that
31:41
Speaker 1: he might not be on our team, let's do it.
31:44
Speaker 1: And that's where I think the Bengals. Adam Schefter said
31:46
Speaker 1: this morning that there is a lot of urgency inside
31:49
Speaker 1: that building and Joe Burrow has a big, big hand
31:53
Speaker 1: in the urgency that is now placed behind ownership, behind
31:56
Speaker 1: the front office, behind the coaching staff. Likes it's now
32:00
Speaker 1: and they haven't traded a first round pick since nineteen
32:04
Speaker 1: eighty nine. This is it's well documented their conservative nature
32:07
Speaker 1: as a franchise. I do think they have been a
32:09
Speaker 1: little different these last couple of years. It's why I
32:12
Speaker 1: kind of commended the move. And they're thinking, like I
32:17
Speaker 1: just said, teams have to be very hesitant to think
32:21
Speaker 1: like of, we need to win these next couple of years,
32:24
Speaker 1: and Dexter Lawrence gives us a better chance to win,
32:27
Speaker 1: assuming he's healthy and assuming he's right, than any player
32:30
Speaker 1: will at number ten. And that's that's true because we
32:33
Speaker 1: know for a fact Dexter Lawrence when he's on is
32:36
Speaker 1: an all pro level player. And we're not giving them
32:38
Speaker 1: a seven year contract extension. We're just giving them one
32:40
Speaker 1: years as a three year, seventy million dollars deal, and
32:43
Speaker 1: the pressure is on the next two years, but specifically
32:46
Speaker 1: this year, like our goal if I'm a Bengal fan,
32:49
Speaker 1: if I'm Zach Taylor, if I'm Joe Burrow, is to
32:52
Speaker 1: win the division and have a home playoff game and
32:55
Speaker 1: potentially compete for the number one seed if our defense
32:57
Speaker 1: is solid, Like I do, think the upset on this
33:00
Speaker 1: team because their offense could be elite and defensively could
33:04
Speaker 1: be solid now to be a team that wins twelve
33:08
Speaker 1: plus games and definitely wins the division because they're in
33:11
Speaker 1: a division now with three new head coaches. Obviously two
33:14
Speaker 1: of them, you know, Munkin's never been a head coach
33:16
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and obviously Jesse mentor has not either.
33:20
Speaker 1: Now McCarthy has several times. But you know, there are
33:22
Speaker 1: a lot of Rogers rumors out there. When's he gonna commit,
33:26
Speaker 1: when's he's not gonna commit. They said that the rumor
33:28
Speaker 1: that he might retire during the draft is false. They've
33:31
Speaker 1: been in contact with them. Omar consaid, he Rogers knows what.
33:35
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just that they report today and
33:38
Speaker 1: will Howard up until further notice, will get the full
33:41
Speaker 1: the first team reps. But this is a division that
33:45
Speaker 1: is right to be had for the Bengals, and when
33:48
Speaker 1: you're in that position with a quarterback that I don't
33:51
Speaker 1: even want to say he has one foot out the door.
33:53
Speaker 1: But there's been enough discussion that if things could get
33:57
Speaker 1: weird now I've believed based on the history of this
34:02
Speaker 1: ownership is do I think that Mike Brown if he
34:05
Speaker 1: just said this year they went ten and seven or
34:09
Speaker 1: nine and eight and missed the playoffs, he's like I
34:12
Speaker 1: and had an threw forty touchdowns and was excellent, and
34:16
Speaker 1: the reason was because the coach sucks and the team
34:19
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough that he'd go I want to get traded.
34:21
Speaker 1: Of course, this is pro sports. Happens all the time.
34:24
Speaker 1: Do I believe that Mike Brown would just capitulate to
34:26
Speaker 1: his demands? But sure, Joe, where do you want to go?
34:29
Speaker 1: Based on his history, I would not say that would
34:32
Speaker 1: be the case, right. So there's a lot of moving
34:35
Speaker 1: parts in terms of the conversation surrounding this, in terms
34:40
Speaker 1: of the pressure now on Zach Taylor, the pressure on
34:44
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence to play like an ellegue guy, and there's
34:46
Speaker 1: gonna be pressure on the Giants whoever they take a ten,
34:49
Speaker 1: which is to me one of the most fascinating conversations
34:52
Speaker 1: of what they do with these two first picks in
34:54
Speaker 1: the first round of any team that's drafted high beside
34:57
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs, is is Dexeul Wentz gonna be a badass? Like?
35:02
Speaker 1: Is he gonna be a no doubt about it, all
35:04
Speaker 1: pro player? Because if he is, like, they're gonna be
35:06
Speaker 1: in pretty good shape. If he just is okay, it's
35:09
Speaker 1: gonna be disappointing. And I'm not even talking the money.
35:12
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about what they're viewing this guy. As
35:15
Speaker 1: how their general manager just discussed of this was too
35:17
Speaker 1: good of an opportunity to pass up, which I understand
35:20
Speaker 1: what he's saying, because I don't think they would have
35:22
Speaker 1: made this decision if they looked at the board and went,
35:25
Speaker 1: we think we can get a high level defensive tackle
35:28
Speaker 1: at ten. That's not the case in this draft. I
35:30
Speaker 1: think a lot of teams view this draft as the
35:35
Speaker 1: first defensive tackle, probably after pick twenty five. John Lynch
35:40
Speaker 1: said last year they had twenty first rounders and two
35:43
Speaker 1: hundred draftable players, and he was asked today in his
35:47
Speaker 1: press conference, how do the numbers in this draft stack
35:50
Speaker 1: up to those numbers, and his response was, well, in
35:54
Speaker 1: terms of the total number of draftable players, it's it's
35:58
Speaker 1: basically the same. And he's like, I'm not gonna divulge
36:01
Speaker 1: how many first round grades we have, but I'll tell
36:03
Speaker 1: you that it's lower than last year. I think there
36:06
Speaker 1: are gonna be some teams that if this was just
36:09
Speaker 1: an economic exercise and it didn't matter, you could just
36:13
Speaker 1: be transparent with your views. I think it's hard to
36:16
Speaker 1: say we only have eleven first round graded players and
36:19
Speaker 1: you're drafted twenty eighth. You draft a guy, right, So
36:22
Speaker 1: I think teams are hesitant to say that right now.
36:24
Speaker 1: But I think there's a chance the average amount of
36:27
Speaker 1: a normal draft, how many guys would you feel comfortable
36:29
Speaker 1: drafting in the first round. The number is gonna be
36:32
Speaker 1: somewhere between eleven to thirteen, which again there are obviously
36:37
Speaker 1: thirty two picks, but based on their great there are
36:40
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of guys going from fifteen to
36:42
Speaker 1: thirty two. The teams will in a perfect world, we
36:45
Speaker 1: like to draft this guy in the thirties, but that's
36:47
Speaker 1: not you know, this crop of players, it just is
36:51
Speaker 1: what it is, and a lot of it is guys
36:52
Speaker 1: returning the nil stuff. I mean, there are a lot
36:54
Speaker 1: of different variables. You know, the COVID year kind of
36:56
Speaker 1: fucked everything up and gave guys a year that didn't count.
37:00
Speaker 1: The transfer portal, allow guys to move around and shot
37:03
Speaker 1: their services. But this draft, and I'm not even trying
37:06
Speaker 1: to be negative, this is just information I'm getting from
37:08
Speaker 1: my friends that have been doing this for decades. It's
37:11
Speaker 1: the worst draft they've ever seen. Because part of that,
37:14
Speaker 1: there are two factors. If you have a draft where
37:18
Speaker 1: you have twenty five graded first rounders, like that's a
37:21
Speaker 1: loaded draft, because I would imagine when you have a
37:23
Speaker 1: draft like that, then the second and third rounds look
37:26
Speaker 1: even better. Well, you start saying, this is a draft
37:30
Speaker 1: with twelve guys independent of year, would be viewed as
37:35
Speaker 1: a first round pick, that your second and third rounds
37:39
Speaker 1: don't look as good because guys with second and third
37:42
Speaker 1: round grades go in the first round. So it just
37:45
Speaker 1: pushes everything back, and this gets to the third day
37:47
Speaker 1: of the draft where you don't feel as confident, which
37:51
Speaker 1: it's always somewhat of a crapshoot. That type of stuff
37:55
Speaker 1: that fascinates me. I was also thinking, you know, in baseball,
38:02
Speaker 1: good teams don't hesitate to like it. We'll give you
38:06
Speaker 1: three sweet prospects for sweet player X right, four time
38:12
Speaker 1: All Star, badass pitcher, shortstop, center fielder, Like, here are
38:17
Speaker 1: my prospects, right. The A's have been getting guys traded
38:21
Speaker 1: for the entire Billy Bean era. A lot of teams
38:25
Speaker 1: that don't have the capital to just pay a guy
38:29
Speaker 1: trade guys right, and those teams typically trade a ton
38:33
Speaker 1: of the equivalent of draft picks the prospects for the player.
38:37
Speaker 1: In the NBA, teams have never hesitated to trade future
38:42
Speaker 1: draft picks for sweet player X. In football, it just
38:49
Speaker 1: teams really really value their draft pick right. Most years,
38:53
Speaker 1: pick ten is viewed very very well. I mean last
38:56
Speaker 1: year that was Colston Loveland. Like, I'm not trying to
38:59
Speaker 1: be hyperbolic, but Colson Loveland has Hall of Fame potential. Right.
39:06
Speaker 1: He has a lot of similarities to like Travis Kelce,
39:10
Speaker 1: his wide receiver ability in terms of running routes against
39:14
Speaker 1: safeties and linebackers. Has a chance to be a dominant,
39:18
Speaker 1: dominant player in the NFL for a long time, make
39:21
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls, make All Pro teams, and just be a
39:24
Speaker 1: mismatched nightmare during his twenties. Right, I mean, he's got
39:28
Speaker 1: a chance to be just an all time talent. I mean,
39:31
Speaker 1: he's an all time talent. But I'm just saying, like
39:34
Speaker 1: you saw that immediately, he's got a chance to have
39:36
Speaker 1: a fantastic career. That was pick ten, and I think
39:40
Speaker 1: teams always sell themselves on the best case scenario. This
39:44
Speaker 1: is why during the draft do you notice you never
39:48
Speaker 1: see a draft room in the first round or typically
39:51
Speaker 1: where when the pick is in, people aren't going bananas.
39:56
Speaker 1: People are going nuts, right the videos of coaches and
40:02
Speaker 1: GMS and the scouting department when they turn in their
40:05
Speaker 1: pick on Thursday, which I just found out that the
40:08
Speaker 1: rounds now are no longer ten minutes or eight minutes,
40:10
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be a little faster. Maybe it was.
40:13
Speaker 1: Was it like that last year? I don't know. Regardless
40:17
Speaker 1: which I like, I'm all for. The one that really
40:21
Speaker 1: stands out to me was when the Lions took Jamiir Gibbs.
40:24
Speaker 1: You would have thought Dan Campbell just won the Super Bowl,
40:26
Speaker 1: But it happens constantly, right because you're so excited to
40:30
Speaker 1: draft that player. Well, most of those players are not
40:34
Speaker 1: going to turn out to be Jamior Gibbs. I mean,
40:36
Speaker 1: we know half the first round. I think last year,
40:39
Speaker 1: after the fifth year options were all given out by
40:42
Speaker 1: middle of the summer, whenever the date was. I wasn't
40:45
Speaker 1: it like fourteen or fifteen of the players in that
40:47
Speaker 1: first round whatever the three years previously had their fifth
40:50
Speaker 1: year option picked up. So if you don't have your
40:53
Speaker 1: fifth year option picked up, that was a bad pick.
40:56
Speaker 1: Whoever you pick in the first round, especially in the
40:59
Speaker 1: top fifteen ish picks, you should feel very confident when
41:03
Speaker 1: you make the pick. This guy's a lock fifth your
41:06
Speaker 1: option pickup. But you can't do that. You don't know.
41:08
Speaker 1: You're dealing with a human being. Things change, People get hurt,
41:11
Speaker 1: maybe people underwhelm. Maybe the coaching staff changes, scheme changes,
41:15
Speaker 1: just so many variables in football. That's what makes the
41:17
Speaker 1: draft so fascinating. I mean, I think I called him Avril.
41:22
Speaker 1: That's Avril Levine. His name is r vel Reese. I
41:29
Speaker 1: don't know why I fuck that name up. But he's
41:31
Speaker 1: a fascinating player right Physically, his gifts are elite. He's
41:36
Speaker 1: twenty years old. Within a couple of years he could
41:39
Speaker 1: be one of the bright shining stars of the NFL.
41:43
Speaker 1: He's also somewhat of a unique players. He was just
41:46
Speaker 1: playing for a NFL defensive coordinator who say what you
41:51
Speaker 1: want about Patricia, like kind of knows what he's doing,
41:54
Speaker 1: has been around the block a few times, has coached
41:57
Speaker 1: some big time players who worked under Belichick for like
42:00
Speaker 1: twenty plus years, Like that's thirty some defensive coordinators in
42:05
Speaker 1: college that aren't exactly that. Ohio State's kind of an
42:08
Speaker 1: outlier that. I mean, they got two coordinators right now,
42:10
Speaker 1: Patricia and Arthur Smith, who are making it combined like
42:13
Speaker 1: six million dollars and are two NFL coordinators. But he's
42:17
Speaker 1: a guy that, if you told me in a couple
42:18
Speaker 1: of years, is an all pro. I believe you if
42:21
Speaker 1: you tell me in a couple of years just not
42:23
Speaker 1: working out, we could have Duel Carter. You know the
42:26
Speaker 1: best thing that ever happened to have Duel Carter. He
42:29
Speaker 1: got John Harbaugh to come in because last year was like,
42:32
Speaker 1: what is going on here? This guy at Penn State,
42:35
Speaker 1: complete ass kicker, and now he's a bunch of just weird.
42:39
Speaker 1: Because when organizations are dysfunctional, when you're a young person,
42:45
Speaker 1: most people are followers, right. I'm as guilty as anybody.
42:49
Speaker 1: When I was in my twenties, I would just follow
42:51
Speaker 1: whoever the leader of the group was in the organization
42:54
Speaker 1: wherever I was right, whether it was at Freslo State,
42:57
Speaker 1: whether it was with the Eagles, even in radio, like
43:00
Speaker 1: it wasn't my place. It's very, very difficult unless you
43:05
Speaker 1: are the superstar of the building, which most guys in
43:07
Speaker 1: the NFL are not, to just be like I'm going
43:10
Speaker 1: to set the tone in the organization. So when dysfunction happens,
43:15
Speaker 1: the whole organization can unravel. And if you're just a
43:18
Speaker 1: very young immature naturally a fall or because most people
43:22
Speaker 1: are in their youth, it can just fall apart on you.
43:26
Speaker 1: I remember Adam Peters told me, and I think I've
43:28
Speaker 1: told this story before one time that we were just
43:30
Speaker 1: talking at forty nine or practice. I think it was
43:32
Speaker 1: the year. It might have been his rookie year, and
43:34
Speaker 1: we were talking about Hufunga and this is Hufunga did
43:37
Speaker 1: not play at USC when Pete Carroll was there. You know,
43:41
Speaker 1: even with Lincoln Riley, he played in a disastrous time.
43:46
Speaker 1: I mean, Clay Helton went from USC to being the
43:48
Speaker 1: head coach of a tiny little program, so it's not
43:51
Speaker 1: like they lost their head coach and he went on
43:53
Speaker 1: to coach at Auburn. Right, Clay Helton has no business
43:55
Speaker 1: being a power for head coach and the organization just
43:58
Speaker 1: fell apart. The team was lose. He's like most guys
44:01
Speaker 1: in teams like that, just there's a lot of negativity
44:05
Speaker 1: in the building. Right. Coaches are all looking for life.
44:08
Speaker 1: Fests are all kind of jumping ship, are all just
44:11
Speaker 1: trying to hey, it's not my fault, someone else's fault.
44:14
Speaker 1: So typically when you go into teams during the fall
44:18
Speaker 1: and they're losing and they know they're all gonna get fired,
44:21
Speaker 1: you gotta take everything you hear with the grain of
44:23
Speaker 1: salt because a lot of stuff's gonna be negative. But
44:26
Speaker 1: he said with Talano Whu funga. Even in the darkest
44:29
Speaker 1: times in that building, you couldn't get one person to
44:31
Speaker 1: say one negative thing about the guy. Now, he had
44:34
Speaker 1: some question marks with his talent, right, like what position
44:37
Speaker 1: would he play? Is he fast enough to play safety?
44:39
Speaker 1: Is he big enough to play a linebacker? So there
44:41
Speaker 1: was a player evaluation that was up for debate. Obviously,
44:45
Speaker 1: he's quiet at all the doubters. If you watched him
44:47
Speaker 1: play for the Niners and last year for the Denver Broncos,
44:50
Speaker 1: there can't be a harder hitter in the NFL. Who
44:53
Speaker 1: funk is one of my favorite players because he reminds
44:55
Speaker 1: me of my youth. We just don't have as many
44:57
Speaker 1: guys like that anymore. But part of his success is
45:01
Speaker 1: he's You're just not gonna hear a word about the guy,
45:04
Speaker 1: you know. It's my thing with Ty Simpson. I see
45:06
Speaker 1: the thing go viral of him doing the interview and
45:09
Speaker 1: then the Indiana coaches clap back, which is just classic
45:13
Speaker 1: college football. But like watching him there. You know his
45:17
Speaker 1: comps Brock Purty, right, and the thing that Brock Purdy
45:20
Speaker 1: brought to the table in college and clearly in the NFL,
45:25
Speaker 1: maturity is like an A plus. Honestly, Brock's kind of
45:29
Speaker 1: a boring interview because he talks like he's thirty eight,
45:33
Speaker 1: not really giving you much. Pretty serious cat, you watched
45:38
Speaker 1: Ty Simpsons, Like, I was texting with a buddy in
45:40
Speaker 1: the NFL about this because he sent me the clip.
45:43
Speaker 1: I didn't even see all the drama between at a
45:46
Speaker 1: couple of days ago what was going on until he
45:49
Speaker 1: sent me this, and I was like this, I don't
45:52
Speaker 1: exactly see mister maturity. You know, so your comps brock Purty.
45:57
Speaker 1: The thing Brock Purty brought to the table is like
45:59
Speaker 1: that never happen. Rot Perty didn't go on fucking interviews
46:02
Speaker 1: saying like hey we should have beat Iowa. It wasn't
46:05
Speaker 1: i They were doing nothing. It just kind of came
46:07
Speaker 1: off as like, bro what that's the thing with Fernando Mendoza.
46:13
Speaker 1: You listen to him talk. Could this guy be a
46:15
Speaker 1: CEO if he wasn't an NFL player by the time
46:18
Speaker 1: he was thirty for a fortune five hundred company. To me,
46:21
Speaker 1: that's the way Fernando Mendoza comes off kind of what
46:24
Speaker 1: I want my quarterback. And I watched that Ty Simpson clip.
46:27
Speaker 1: I went, what, Bro, Yeah, I watched that game actually
46:32
Speaker 1: sitting right here. You guys got clowned. You guys got
46:37
Speaker 1: belt to ass as Lane would say, this is what
46:42
Speaker 1: you're saying. Come on, bro, let's this You're about to
46:45
Speaker 1: get into the NFL. I'm not saying I'm out because
46:49
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to overreact to one clip. But and
46:52
Speaker 1: again he's on with guys. He knows pretty sure Alabama
46:55
Speaker 1: guys didn't love that Chris Ballard who was just moving
47:01
Speaker 1: around his little lip pouch today. Don't blame him. It's
47:04
Speaker 1: hard for me. I can't do a podcast with a
47:08
Speaker 1: zone end because just I just I just can't. I
47:13
Speaker 1: could do an interview when I'm just talking to someone,
47:15
Speaker 1: but if I have to do a show for an
47:17
Speaker 1: hour plus of just me just talking into a camera,
47:20
Speaker 1: I can't have one in my mouth. My wife's on
47:22
Speaker 1: me all the time about him. I was like, I
47:23
Speaker 1: don't know, Mary, I don't want to tell you. I
47:25
Speaker 1: just like him, you know, never been a cheer, not
47:27
Speaker 1: a cigarette smoker, not even a cigar guy, not even
47:30
Speaker 1: a big drinker. I just I just like my Nicked team.
47:32
Speaker 1: It really makes me feel good. I'm not gonna deny
47:35
Speaker 1: it got to be eighteen. But Chris Ballard said today
47:39
Speaker 1: that Kenny Moore and we knew Anthony Richardson have asked
47:43
Speaker 1: for a trade, and he said, Kenny Moore, listen, he
47:46
Speaker 1: just wants a fresh start. He thinks it's time. He
47:49
Speaker 1: gave him a lot of a lot of credit and
47:51
Speaker 1: said he's been a key Colt and yeah, he's been
47:52
Speaker 1: a really good player for him. Seems like a very
47:54
Speaker 1: high level dude. I'm not going to discuss that because
47:57
Speaker 1: I would have guessed if Chris Ballard's open and trade,
48:00
Speaker 1: I could see him getting traded over the weekend. I
48:03
Speaker 1: understand Anthey Richardson taking this week off of being like
48:07
Speaker 1: I'm not coming in, But if you are not traded
48:10
Speaker 1: on Thursday, you're not gonna get traded on Thursday, I
48:12
Speaker 1: would imagine. But Friday or Saturday, if someone doesn't acquire
48:16
Speaker 1: you over the course of the draft, over this weekend
48:20
Speaker 1: and come Monday you are still on the Indianapolis Colts.
48:25
Speaker 1: I actually don't think it's a good idea to just
48:27
Speaker 1: not show up, Like do you understand your market value
48:31
Speaker 1: is like nonexistent now? Like part of the knock on
48:36
Speaker 1: you I think why your market value is non existent
48:40
Speaker 1: is you got a lot of noise behind you. Over
48:41
Speaker 1: the course of the last couple of years, I've had
48:43
Speaker 1: some bad luck. That visual of the band breaking his
48:47
Speaker 1: orbit bone. I can't even imagine the pain of that
48:51
Speaker 1: thing snapping his face. That sucks. But there's a lot
48:55
Speaker 1: of maturity questions, and you just demanding a trade to
48:59
Speaker 1: go where because you're not starting anywhere, so you just
49:02
Speaker 1: want to get traded to be a backup somewhere else,
49:04
Speaker 1: which I do understand. You're ready for a fresh start,
49:07
Speaker 1: but no one's trading for you. So I do wonder
49:10
Speaker 1: if he asked me for advice if you're not traded
49:13
Speaker 1: this weekend, I'd probably just show up and just try
49:18
Speaker 1: to show like, hey, I'm a good guy. I'll do whatever.
49:20
Speaker 1: I'm a team guy, because that's a pretty bad sign.
49:24
Speaker 1: And this gets back to the Justin Fields thing, like
49:26
Speaker 1: Justin Fields has not been that good when he's played.
49:29
Speaker 1: I was a huge fan. I wanted the forty nine
49:33
Speaker 1: ers to draft him when he was coming out of college.
49:35
Speaker 1: I'll give Kyle Shanahan the thumbs up on that one,
49:39
Speaker 1: because he did not like him at all. Now they
49:41
Speaker 1: took Trey Lance. So it's not like it was any
49:43
Speaker 1: Justin Field's better player than Trey Lance, but ultimately he
49:46
Speaker 1: just wasn't He didn't think Justin Fields could play in
49:49
Speaker 1: his offense. Just A Field struggles, but he's an elite
49:53
Speaker 1: character guy, well liked in the locker room, well liked
49:56
Speaker 1: by everyone from coaches to the front office. And when
50:01
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, they start sniffing around, looking around, like, why
50:05
Speaker 1: wouldn't Andy Reid like andthy Richardson, He's right up his
50:07
Speaker 1: alley raw tools, Like there's a lot there to work with.
50:12
Speaker 1: We don't want that each Let's go to Justin Fields
50:14
Speaker 1: and see if we can figure out those tools, because
50:17
Speaker 1: we know for a fact all the off the field
50:19
Speaker 1: stuff a plus A plus a plus that shit matters,
50:22
Speaker 1: especially in a job like football where everything's very public
50:25
Speaker 1: and everyone talks. We've talked about this, but I think
50:42
Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza put it on record. He's like, listen, I'm
50:46
Speaker 1: not not going to the draft because i think I'm
50:49
Speaker 1: better than the draft. I've told ESPN, ABC whoever like,
50:54
Speaker 1: you can bring all the cameras you want to my house.
50:56
Speaker 1: This is simply for my mother, who struggles to travel.
51:00
Speaker 1: She has ms and it's just not as feasible and
51:03
Speaker 1: it's much easier for us as a family. And then
51:06
Speaker 1: I can invite friends and stuff over, but for her
51:08
Speaker 1: specifically to do this from home. So I know, whenever
51:13
Speaker 1: a guy declines to go to the draft, I think
51:15
Speaker 1: people say this is a little about him. This situation
51:18
Speaker 1: kind of speaks for itself, right, And I think you
51:21
Speaker 1: see those words coming out of his mouth, and especially
51:23
Speaker 1: when he's like, listen, my doors are open for the league.
51:26
Speaker 1: I want to be even said I want to be
51:29
Speaker 1: a good partner. I want to be a good partner
51:31
Speaker 1: with the league. This guy just gets it. But it's like,
51:34
Speaker 1: come on, this is a non conversation. Well, well, a
51:37
Speaker 1: couple other things. Josh Allen, who had surgery right after
51:40
Speaker 1: the season, full go. Fred Warner, who shattered his ankle,
51:44
Speaker 1: said today full go. So two of the better players
51:47
Speaker 1: in the league. You could make the argument the best
51:49
Speaker 1: quarterback and the best linebacker had some surgeries, had some injuries,
51:54
Speaker 1: are good to go going into the offseason. And we'll
51:56
Speaker 1: end on this because I don't know if Fugazi Friday
51:59
Speaker 1: is gonna make it on Friday with the draft. I
52:03
Speaker 1: keep saying I want the story to go away, and
52:05
Speaker 1: then like the nuggets come out about the Russini Vabel thing,
52:08
Speaker 1: Robert Kraft try to squash it, which is just kind
52:14
Speaker 1: of funny in itself, which I do get. You realize
52:17
Speaker 1: is going to drag New England Patriots head coach. You've
52:21
Speaker 1: been known to finnagel a little bit and run around
52:26
Speaker 1: on the side as well and get in some trouble.
52:28
Speaker 1: So you understand about stories, salacious stories coming out. But
52:35
Speaker 1: in one of the articles that Vrabel and Russini had
52:39
Speaker 1: worked together, that Russini had hired a crisis communications team,
52:46
Speaker 1: like a crisis PR firm, And I started thinking, is
52:51
Speaker 1: there a bigger fugazi than that? Now, if there's a
52:55
Speaker 1: crisis center for fires, for an earthquake, for things that
53:01
Speaker 1: actually matter in society, totally get it. But in terms
53:04
Speaker 1: of crisis PR for pictures that anyone with common sense,
53:09
Speaker 1: we're all thinking the same thing. I think it's very
53:12
Speaker 1: hard to fool the average person in twenty twenty six
53:15
Speaker 1: if you just have a fucking brain, like, yeah, not
53:19
Speaker 1: buying that, right, I don't see that. And with situations
53:24
Speaker 1: like this, a crisis PR firm that let's face it,
53:28
Speaker 1: the letter that she used to resign honestly makes it
53:33
Speaker 1: look worse. It really does. So if they were the
53:36
Speaker 1: ones giving you advice on what to write about giving oxygen,
53:40
Speaker 1: blame it on the media. That's a misstep. I was
53:44
Speaker 1: telling Maria this the other day. I think, I don't know.
53:47
Speaker 1: I haven't taught my son any life lessons besides just
53:52
Speaker 1: try not to poop in my hand when I carry
53:54
Speaker 1: you to the bathtub when you're fully naked you don't
53:56
Speaker 1: have a diaper on. But most parents teach their kids,
54:01
Speaker 1: especially listen. I got in some trouble when I was young,
54:05
Speaker 1: and I've been known. You get in trouble, you get caught.
54:07
Speaker 1: What's your first reaction? Try to lie about it? And
54:10
Speaker 1: you learn very young to just tell the truth. Now
54:13
Speaker 1: that's easier said than done. It's like, well, dad, I
54:16
Speaker 1: just just wrapped your truck around a telephone pole. I
54:19
Speaker 1: didn't actually do that, but if I had, I probably
54:21
Speaker 1: would have tried to make an excuse. And they just
54:24
Speaker 1: just tell the truth. And I do believe that human beings,
54:28
Speaker 1: and this is where you gotta be careful. If you're
54:30
Speaker 1: just responding. Is like the Nike what was the Nike
54:33
Speaker 1: AD in Boston, like we love the runners and we
54:37
Speaker 1: tolerate the walkers. It's like, yeah, it's the Boston Marathon,
54:41
Speaker 1: Like some people are gonna walk. No one actually cares.
54:43
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna look at the comments section, which
54:46
Speaker 1: people act on comments unlike they would act to your face. Now,
54:52
Speaker 1: obviously there are some whack jobs, Like you go to
54:54
Speaker 1: the Peda comments and be like, yeah, some of these
54:56
Speaker 1: people would probably be fucking whack jobs walking down society.
54:58
Speaker 1: You know, I probably and want to have an interaction
55:01
Speaker 1: with some of the people supporting this post, But most
55:05
Speaker 1: of these posts are a lot of people. Because if
55:07
Speaker 1: I just had a normal job and had a Twitter
55:10
Speaker 1: account or an Instagram account that was like, you know,
55:15
Speaker 1: Arizona twenty seven, I would probably be constantly messing with
55:19
Speaker 1: people online, just bored out of my mind at my job,
55:23
Speaker 1: I would do it. None of it's actually real. So
55:26
Speaker 1: the Nike AD, they changed it because of the comments.
55:30
Speaker 1: And I think anytime that these companies dictate anything they
55:33
Speaker 1: do based on the comments section, I think they are
55:37
Speaker 1: not only misguided, I think they have a big picture
55:40
Speaker 1: problem within their organization and they don't have a great
55:42
Speaker 1: understanding of like this isn't real life, guys, and as
55:46
Speaker 1: someone like I can relate to this because I've just
55:49
Speaker 1: been in the kind of the social media world for
55:51
Speaker 1: a job for so long, you realize and listen, there's
55:54
Speaker 1: some benefits to it. You meet people. I use the
55:56
Speaker 1: DMS like, I'm not anti all that goes along. But
55:59
Speaker 1: I also don't put that much stock into negative things
56:02
Speaker 1: that are set right because anyone can say negative things,
56:05
Speaker 1: and I don't think ninety percent of the people saying
56:07
Speaker 1: negative things don't actually even care. This was the receiving
56:10
Speaker 1: thing most people commenting. It's like she put out a
56:14
Speaker 1: trial balloon tweet a couple of weeks ago. Every comment
56:18
Speaker 1: was people at the end of the day, them sitting
56:20
Speaker 1: typing it from their couch are just kind of laughing.
56:23
Speaker 1: They don't actually care that much. I think the media
56:26
Speaker 1: care because I think the media thought that they were,
56:32
Speaker 1: I don't know, made to look bad, even though I'd
56:34
Speaker 1: say your approval ratings pretty low to begin with, and
56:36
Speaker 1: I don't think but I also don't think people spend
56:38
Speaker 1: that much time thinking about it. It's like, if you
56:41
Speaker 1: get on Twitter, you think politics are the end all
56:44
Speaker 1: be all. If you just go in society, Like you
56:47
Speaker 1: don't see that many people just talking about it randomly
56:50
Speaker 1: during the middle of the day, just out and about.
56:52
Speaker 1: And this is where you got to be very careful
56:54
Speaker 1: about letting it cloud your judgment. And I think these
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Speaker 1: PR crisis communication groups I would get, especially if they
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Speaker 1: have some younger people involved, are very online, and you
57:04
Speaker 1: can't convince me that their takes aren't just gonna be
57:07
Speaker 1: extremely just jaded from that experience, because if you live
57:11
Speaker 1: in that world, you're gonna you're just gonna be in
57:15
Speaker 1: a different planet than a lot of us that just
57:17
Speaker 1: try to base our perspectives on the real world on
57:21
Speaker 1: our reaction with other actual humans in the flesh, you know.
57:27
Speaker 1: And I just think that this thing has got to
57:31
Speaker 1: be an all time scam. Who knows how much she
57:33
Speaker 1: paid her this notion that vrabel it'll be interesting if
57:36
Speaker 1: he brought it up to his team. I don't necessarily
57:40
Speaker 1: think he needs to, but I guess if you're gonna have,
57:43
Speaker 1: you know, be accountable in every meeting room and you know,
57:47
Speaker 1: make good decisions off the field, like I guess, but
57:51
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to do a press conference sometime this week,
57:54
Speaker 1: Like you can't just hide forever. Eventually he's gonna have
57:58
Speaker 1: to speak, so you might as well just hit it
57:59
Speaker 1: head on. And you could make the argument of, like Mike,
58:01
Speaker 1: you should just do a press conference like tomorrow. Get
58:03
Speaker 1: it out of the way. So once the draft starts,
58:05
Speaker 1: no one's talking about it anymore. You're not getting fired.
58:08
Speaker 1: No one actually cares, especially in New England, like no
58:11
Speaker 1: one gives a shit. Everyone's supporting you, maybe beside your wife,
58:15
Speaker 1: but who knows. I mean, she might just be a
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Speaker 1: writer or die. It's like Sharon Moore's wife. It's like
58:21
Speaker 1: you got he's in a way different relationship than me.
58:24
Speaker 1: Even the judge who you know, gave Sharon basically let
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Speaker 1: him off, you know. And I saw the girl that
58:31
Speaker 1: he threatened with the butter knife, was like, this is
58:33
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. It's like, Sharon, you got pretty lucky. But
58:36
Speaker 1: to me, the luckiest part of the whole operation either
58:38
Speaker 1: she's cool with it and you're just in an open
58:40
Speaker 1: relationship and her job is just to be your wife
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Speaker 1: and raise your children and just stand by your side.
58:47
Speaker 1: Tammy one net. But I if I was in that
58:52
Speaker 1: courtroom for the same situation, I problem you this. You
58:55
Speaker 1: can look around, you would not see my wife, no chance.
58:59
Speaker 1: And I bet for a lot of you if I
59:01
Speaker 1: looked around that courtroom and it was you, your wife
59:03
Speaker 1: wouldn't be sitting there either. So he's living in a
59:06
Speaker 1: different world than me. But this story is just I
59:11
Speaker 1: think most people are laughing at it. I truly believe that.
59:14
Speaker 1: Now for her, clearly, I would imagine she's not laughing.
59:18
Speaker 1: Who knows what the status is of her relationship? And Mike,
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Speaker 1: my guess is he doesn't give a shit. That would
59:27
Speaker 1: be if you said, what do you think Rabel thinks?
59:29
Speaker 1: I don't think he thinks about it anymore. I think
59:31
Speaker 1: he's just rocking and rolling, getting ready for Phase one
59:34
Speaker 1: of OTA's and the draft. And you think any you
59:38
Speaker 1: think Elliott Wolfe's bringing this up to him in a meeting,
59:42
Speaker 1: I would doubt that one. So yeah, the crisis management.
59:46
Speaker 1: If you got to call that for pictures about holding
59:49
Speaker 1: hands with someone, you probably are wasting some money. The
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Speaker 1: volume