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Patriots Unfiltered 1/30: Conference Championships Recap, Senior Bowl Updates, Offseason Hot Topics · Patriots Unfiltered

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Speaker 6: Not a rematch? Rematch?
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Speaker 1: Why not?
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Speaker 6: Why is it because you say that there's no such thing.
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Speaker 2: If it's if the last game was in a super
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Speaker 6: Last last game was in the super Bowl.
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Speaker 6: Was also about yourself. Absolutely, it's a rematch.
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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, and it's deuced. Paul me Evan is
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Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. So I think he's gonna call
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Speaker 2: in a little later.
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Speaker 5: Yep, the sidelines.
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Speaker 6: Yeah that when the food.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll call in and let us know what's going
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Speaker 1: on in Mobile.
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Speaker 5: You know, people practicing, working on their football skills, trying
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Speaker 5: to impress.
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Speaker 1: Scouts found the next Patriot.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so he's got his targets.
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Speaker 2: Yep. So we got a lot to talk about. We're
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Speaker 2: getting a little closer to filling out this staff. I think, Uh,
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Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington is I don't know if it's official, but
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Speaker 2: it's reported and probably gonna happen that he's the defensive coordinator.
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Speaker 2: Long list of potential ocs ongoing. Nick Cayley seems to
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Speaker 2: be the stars might be aligning for him a little bit,
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Speaker 2: but we'll see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not excited about that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, out of the list, he would be toward the bottom. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: just kind of another because you know, higher from within.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of like I wanted more of
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Speaker 2: a high powered oh ce that brings in a staff himself,
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, it seems like the signs are pointing towards
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Speaker 5: I mean, I have to hire Killey, that they're going
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Speaker 5: to have some kind of Shanahan influenced coaching staff.
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Speaker 6: Now pretty much every guy I will everywhere?
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Speaker 5: Maybe, But how do we feel about Nickkeley? Like like
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Speaker 5: before Patricia, you know, and this will probably tie in.
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Speaker 2: I mean we talked about it on this show as
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Speaker 2: you know, like oh he could be you know, in line,
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Speaker 2: and then he left, but like only because that's what
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Speaker 2: we were being told.
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Speaker 1: Like, I don't know if he's.
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Speaker 6: Well, you really don't the old offense when he I mean,
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Speaker 6: he was here for eight years. I didn't have any
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Speaker 6: problem with him with that. But like he's he learned
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Speaker 6: the McVeigh offense for a year and he's never really
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Speaker 6: been the guy. Like as a guy instead of Patricia,
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Speaker 6: I would have listened and understood where they were going.
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Speaker 6: I just there's a lot of guys to Mike's point,
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Speaker 6: it's they're either Shanahan or McVeigh kind of guy. And
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Speaker 6: that's the same tree with some variances as to how
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Speaker 6: they do things right. But all of the guys that
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Speaker 6: they've been linked to, whether it's been guys that they've
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Speaker 6: met with or requested or interviewed in person, they're all
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Speaker 6: basically from that tree in some way, shape or form,
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Speaker 6: And in my opinion, Nick Kyley has among the least
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Speaker 6: amount of experience in that tree. So that's what Like
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Speaker 6: Clint Kobiak is a guy that was thrown out there
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Speaker 6: by Bert Breard yesterday and I'm kind of intrigued by
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Speaker 6: him a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And Evan and Evan Evan Threw said he wrote about him.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just he's been an offensive coordinator before. He's
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Speaker 6: called plays in two different places, because when Nathaniel Hackett
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Speaker 6: was going down the toilet, he handed play calling duties
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Speaker 6: over to Kubiak. Obviously, that's the you know, the Shanahan system,
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Speaker 6: you know from dad from working under his dad. And
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Speaker 6: I'm not telling you that this is a star, but
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Speaker 6: I'm I just I like the idea of some experience
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Speaker 6: calling plays. Most of these guys don't have any experience
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Speaker 6: calling plays.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think to your point too, Paul, it's that,
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Speaker 5: you know, Garrod's a defensive coach. He hasn't really even
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Speaker 5: had any experience in the offensive side of the ball.
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Speaker 5: And I think, you know, when you're just setting it up,
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Speaker 5: it seems like they're going to hire or they should
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Speaker 5: hire someone with a lot of experience that can you know,
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Speaker 5: for all, a Josh's Wartz at least, you know, he
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Speaker 5: could just run the offense in Gerrod and now probably
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Speaker 5: Covington can handle the defense. But it's if it's Kaylee
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Speaker 5: and it's kind of a and I don't mean it
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Speaker 5: in a bad way of Frankenstein's staff, but you know,
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Speaker 5: you're gonna probably pull guys from different places to do
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Speaker 5: different things. You know, there's gonna be like a learning
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Speaker 5: curve on that side of the ball. With Kaye as
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Speaker 5: an offensive well, we taught that's how it.
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Speaker 2: Happens New d first time DC, potentially first time OC,
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Speaker 2: first time head coach, and potentially a rookie quarterback. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's there's a lot of learning that's going on in
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Speaker 2: this team.
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Speaker 6: You know, Like you made the comment that you were
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Speaker 6: hoping for like a high powered offensive coordinator. I obviously
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Speaker 6: would be too, But to be honest, they don't really
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Speaker 6: exist anymore. You know that.
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Speaker 2: They did not enough time. Well, they get good and
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Speaker 2: then they become a head coach exactly.
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Speaker 6: Like there's very little in the way of like big
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Speaker 6: time experienced offensive coordinators around the league, and if they're
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Speaker 6: already there, like you're not going to get in general terms,
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Speaker 6: you're not gonna get an offensive coordinator from one place
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Speaker 6: to leave and go. Now the enemy did it. He
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Speaker 6: went from Kansas City to Washington. Obviously extenuating circumstances, but
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Speaker 6: that's kind of rare.
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Speaker 2: I forget the long time OC from Pittsburgh. I keep
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Speaker 2: forgetting his name. He was a legend.
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Speaker 6: The offensive line coach you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: No, no, maybe it was the DC.
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Speaker 2: I forget who was the guy Pittsburgh Steelers at him forever.
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Speaker 1: I mean he might have been more popular than the
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Speaker 1: head coach.
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Speaker 6: Defens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like he never became a head coach. He
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Speaker 2: didn't want to become a head coach. And he said,
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Speaker 2: I'm a coordinator, That's what I am. You don't see
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Speaker 2: that anymore?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know no, But I mean, does it change
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Speaker 5: how you think about it at all? If they're you know,
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Speaker 5: going to have a young offensive coordinator, does that, you
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Speaker 5: know change I mean, my timeline is a few years. Like,
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Speaker 5: I don't think that this they're going to come out
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Speaker 5: of this offseason and be like, we're ready to go
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four playoffs. Here we come. I think it's gonna,
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Speaker 5: you know, take a little while. But you know, when
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Speaker 5: you look at how you're kind of balancing what positions
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Speaker 5: you addressed in free agency, which positions you addressed in
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Speaker 5: the address in the draft, do you have a little
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Speaker 5: bit more of a long term view if you're saying, look,
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Speaker 5: Nick Keyley, you know, to Evan's point, Evan's you know,
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Speaker 5: worried that you're going to get an offensive coordinator in here.
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Speaker 5: He's gonna do well and he's gonna be gone in
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Speaker 5: a couple of years. Does this maybe give you a
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Speaker 5: little bit more time and maybe extend the clock a
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Speaker 5: little bit in that, you know, you got an offensive
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Speaker 5: coordinator who's just starting out, is going to have a
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Speaker 5: new staff. You're gonna take some lumps, but you know,
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Speaker 5: does it maybe take a little bit of the pressure
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Speaker 5: off of we have to get a quarterback right away? Like,
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Speaker 5: you know, does that change it all? I don't know.
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Speaker 5: I'm just you know, I don't know if it changes
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Speaker 5: how you how you.
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Speaker 1: Overall look at you quarterback?
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Speaker 2: Nothing changes If one of these three you know guys
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Speaker 2: they like, nothing changes. I mean you got to get
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Speaker 2: if you like him, you got to get them. There's
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Speaker 2: no holding off on that. Then it's just a question
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Speaker 2: is is he ready to play right away? And nowadays
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Speaker 2: these teams aren't waiting. You throw them right in.
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Speaker 6: But to Mike's point, you might have the opportunity to
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Speaker 6: be a little bit more patient with all of the
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Speaker 6: newness to your coaching side. It would be pretty tough
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Speaker 6: to say, but Okay, so you waited and it didn't
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Speaker 6: work in the first year. Now you got on the
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Speaker 6: clock in the second year with a bunch of rookies
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Speaker 6: who you know, we're all coming in together.
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Speaker 2: But I'm not worried about retaining the guy as we're
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Speaker 2: getting good, right, I'm worried about retaining him once we
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Speaker 2: are good and not screwing that up. So like, I'll
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Speaker 2: be patient as much as you want. The guy's not
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Speaker 2: going anywhere if if if you're not, you know, no
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Speaker 2: one's gonna want to hire him if you're not seeing success.
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Speaker 2: But once he sees success, you want to keep him
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Speaker 2: because you want to keep that success.
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Speaker 1: But that's when they leave.
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Speaker 6: I thought you were talking about the quarterback.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the OC right now.
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I thought you were talking
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Speaker 6: about like the quarterback how to play right away, because
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Speaker 6: that's what everybody wants.
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Speaker 1: That's true.
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Speaker 6: And I would say, like, I think you're in a
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Speaker 6: situation where you don't necessarily have to play him right
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Speaker 6: away because Giraffee was not gonna get fired.
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Speaker 1: Anymo Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, No, that's like.
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Speaker 6: You don't have that pressure. Like there's times like you know,
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Speaker 6: a guys might be in like you know, his third
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Speaker 6: year or fourth year, and then they draft the quarterback
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Speaker 6: he can't afford to wait around, like right now, Matt
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Speaker 6: eber Fleus like they're either going to stick with Justin
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Speaker 6: Fields or they're gonna draft Caleb Williams and have to
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Speaker 6: play them because he doesn't have time. They're not gonna
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Speaker 6: wait around another two years.
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Speaker 1: Right, all right?
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Speaker 2: So that's item number one is the building of the staff.
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Speaker 2: Number two, I guess before we get to the what
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Speaker 2: happened over the weekend with the other games. Mark Daniels
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Speaker 2: had a piece on the demise of Mac Jones and
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Speaker 2: why that happened, And according to him and Karen Gerigian,
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Speaker 2: who also contributed to the story over at mass Live,
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Speaker 2: they talked to like twenty different sources in and around
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Speaker 2: the building. Mike, were you one, I don't know, because
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Speaker 2: that's a lot of people.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I wouldn't doubt it.
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Speaker 5: I mean I could have been, because everything that was
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Speaker 5: kind of in there was like.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say, based on the story, I
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Speaker 6: wouldn't doubt if Mike, No, it wasn't really a lot there.
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Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of earth shattering news, a lot
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Speaker 1: of stuff that we either knew or suspected. The stinger
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Speaker 1: in the Germany game was new. I didn't know about that.
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Speaker 6: But I didn't know about that either, But I also
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Speaker 6: don't believe it.
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Speaker 1: And the other thing, why not the other.
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Speaker 6: Thing they would have taken him out. The other thing
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Speaker 6: that they were dying to take him out.
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Speaker 2: The other thing that I took out of that was
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Speaker 2: just the lack of communication once things started getting sour.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know, you know, you know, if it's true,
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Speaker 2: like to me, that's poor coaching, you know, like you
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Speaker 2: never you never not communicate with your players, even when
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Speaker 2: things are bad or you're mad at them, and you
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Speaker 2: have to tell them why you're mad and explain to
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Speaker 2: them what's going on, you know, you know, for all
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Speaker 2: we know, Mac was doing it again. He was going
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Speaker 2: outside the you know, the building looking for help, and
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Speaker 2: Buil didn't.
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Speaker 1: Like that, and I'm done with you. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what the reason was. But to me,
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Speaker 2: there's very few excuses for coaches not talking and communicating
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Speaker 2: with their players.
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Speaker 1: That's what it's all about.
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Speaker 2: It's about teaching, and how can you teach if you
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Speaker 2: don't communicate. I that part I really didn't sit well
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Speaker 2: with me.
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Speaker 1: If true, If true?
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Speaker 5: Now I agree, I mean that it struck me too,
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Speaker 5: and it you know, if Bill had stayed, it just
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Speaker 5: seemed like there was no way that it was ever
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Speaker 5: going to work again. You lost Mac. I mean not
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Speaker 5: to say that, I feel like there's something really trying
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Speaker 5: to worth say. But it's the same stuff that we've
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Speaker 5: kind of talked about. I mean, the same thing with
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Speaker 5: the Callahan story. I mean, we should mentioned Tommy Curran wrote,
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Speaker 5: you know, talk to Max's QB coach as well, and
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Speaker 5: you know, said he told him he should ask for
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Speaker 5: a trade after that first year, which I you know, like,
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Speaker 5: how would they ever trade out first year? That's what
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Speaker 5: he said. I don't know if that meant like after
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Speaker 5: the after they hired Patricia. But the big piece of
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Speaker 5: the article was after that first year, I told Mac
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Speaker 5: he should get out because Josh had left, and it
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Speaker 5: wasn't I mean, you know, but I'm like, how there's
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Speaker 5: no way that that was ever.
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Speaker 2: Gonna I need to know the timing here because if
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Speaker 2: it's you know, after Patricia's showed that he just wasn't
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Speaker 2: the guy.
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Speaker 1: I could see that.
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Speaker 5: Ye no, me too, that it was. And they didn't
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Speaker 5: explicitly say that either in the article at least I
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Speaker 5: didn't see it, so I don't know that was a
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Speaker 5: little bit different, But it's the same stuff with Ian,
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Speaker 5: Like you know, yep, the coaches have some blame, Yep,
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Speaker 5: Mac has some blame. And the bottom line was he's
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Speaker 5: turning the ball over like a madman, and you know
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Speaker 5: that to me, that's what it's all about. Like if
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Speaker 5: they couldn't clean that up, he wasn't going anywhere.
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Speaker 6: And that was the part of Like, so this is now,
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Speaker 6: like the last week, you've had two very different stories
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Speaker 6: about Mac Jones that kind of paint a very different picture,
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Speaker 6: this one being much more sympathetic to Mac Jones. Badard
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Speaker 6: last week had quotes from anonymous play anonymous quotes saying
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Speaker 6: about all the things that Mac wasn't doing and how
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Speaker 6: he was, you know, rubbing people the wrong way to
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Speaker 6: steal the male line. The truth is probably somewhere in
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Speaker 6: the middle. But I do think this story, the mass
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Speaker 6: Live story, I thought, really glossed over the stuff that
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Speaker 6: Mac did wrong, like going off script constantly. You know,
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Speaker 6: you know that it was just kind of mentioned briefly
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Speaker 6: in passing. Yeah, it would be like three paragraphs of
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Speaker 6: the receiver saying they had to be better, and the
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Speaker 6: offensive line saying they had to be better, and then
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Speaker 6: he would, you know, he would sort of freelance and
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Speaker 6: not run the place. And then it was like the
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Speaker 6: receivers just needed to improve and he had a stinger,
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Speaker 6: don't you know.
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Speaker 2: Well, like yeah, and that kind of you know in it,
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Speaker 2: that kind of admits, yeah, I was doing things on
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Speaker 2: my own, like because he felt like he had to.
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Speaker 2: And it was kind of like, you know, see you
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Speaker 2: feel so they wanted you to feel sorry for him,
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Speaker 2: like you would you would be doing the same thing
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Speaker 2: if you were in his position. No one's talking to you.
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Speaker 2: You feel like you're on an island. You just got
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Speaker 2: to make up things on your own. So who knows
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Speaker 2: what what actually happened. But like you said, Paul, truth
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Speaker 2: is probably in the middle. The blame pie is probably
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Speaker 2: shared among a lot of people on that offense.
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Speaker 6: Last, And I think if you look at it, like
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Speaker 6: it's so dependent on who you talk to, yeah, because
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Speaker 6: I know what's their angle, right, and everybody has agendas.
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Speaker 6: And that's what I don't mind when people don't attach
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Speaker 6: themselves to quotes because obviously they fear retribution. But it
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Speaker 6: really detracts the reader from having a context for what
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Speaker 6: the agenda be from the from whoever's saying it, like
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Speaker 6: that changes things to me, Like there was a lot
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Speaker 6: of stuff about the receivers that commeet to me, and
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Speaker 6: I'll just come out and say it sounded to me
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Speaker 6: that they came directly from to Mario Douglas, right. It
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Speaker 6: was like off, no, no, no, no, no, no. He was being
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Speaker 6: very respectful of Mac, putting a lot of you know,
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Speaker 6: on on the receivers in general, like we you know,
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Speaker 6: we would start to make strides and then you know,
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Speaker 6: like we felt like we got there by the end
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Speaker 6: of the year.
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Speaker 1: Like you don't think that's born.
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Speaker 6: They weren't. He was hers at the end of the year.
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Speaker 6: He wasn't talking about getting better at the end of
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Speaker 6: the year when he was out after week.
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Speaker 1: He could have been talking about the team.
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Speaker 6: Now he was talking about the receivers in general, like
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Speaker 6: and I'm not saying that that's bad. I think it
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Speaker 6: showed maturity on to Mario Douglas's part to accept responsibility
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Speaker 6: for how they let him down earlier in the year
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Speaker 6: and they had gotten better as the year one. He's
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Speaker 6: the only one that stayed right in the group like
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Speaker 6: that to.
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Speaker 5: Me, was out right Thornton was really playing.
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Speaker 6: So I just think that there was a lot of
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Speaker 6: excuse making for Mac in that piece and very little
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Speaker 6: of He's just not that good. He's just not that good.
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Speaker 6: Like I get all the reasons why he was broken,
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Speaker 6: like he doesn't have to be broken that Bill Belichick
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Speaker 6: helped with. Yeah, would I would totally totally agree with
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Speaker 6: the people who think that Bill Belichick played a role
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Speaker 6: in that. I just don't think that he's to the
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Speaker 6: point where he is now just because of coaching.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other thing I kind of, you know,
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Speaker 2: raised an eyebrow at when I was reading is part
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Speaker 2: of his demeanor when things were going bad. He was
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Speaker 2: almost too happy, go lucky, like too aloof like, oh,
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Speaker 2: this isn't bothering me. And you know, whoever was that
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Speaker 2: gave that quote, you know, the way I read into
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Speaker 2: it was he wasn't leading, you know, he was like
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Speaker 2: it's okay, everything's okay, when it wasn't.
16:58
Speaker 6: You know what it was to me false Yeah, Yeah,
17:01
Speaker 6: I'm trying to like to let everybody know like I'm
17:04
Speaker 6: dying inside, but I can't let anybody know that. No, no, no,
17:06
Speaker 6: we got this.
17:07
Speaker 5: We're great, everything's great.
17:08
Speaker 6: We got it, we got it, And that was what
17:11
Speaker 6: he was trying. That was how he was trying to lead.
17:13
Speaker 6: I don't listen. Was it a mistake, probably, but he's
17:16
Speaker 6: trying to keep it together.
17:18
Speaker 9: Right.
17:18
Speaker 6: It didn't work.
17:19
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well the line that you heard him say a
17:20
Speaker 5: few times was that I'm just gonna run my race
17:23
Speaker 5: and hopefully people follow. And that's not something that someone says.
17:26
Speaker 5: Who's going to hold other people accountable and say, look,
17:29
Speaker 5: we have to be better. You're not doing you know,
17:31
Speaker 5: I don't think you know the great point. Max an
17:33
Speaker 5: interesting character because there are certainly things I have issues
17:36
Speaker 5: with him, and but there are also things like him
17:40
Speaker 5: showing up the male thing because of who he is.
17:42
Speaker 5: It drew the ire of kind of the players up.
17:45
Speaker 5: But if that was another quarterback that we kind of
17:46
Speaker 5: believed in, I would be like, this is awesome. This
17:49
Speaker 5: season ended a week and a half ago. This guy's
17:51
Speaker 5: still in here working out, Like I like that there
17:54
Speaker 5: he was if he was, but because he.
17:59
Speaker 1: But that's Lockers. Yeah.
18:00
Speaker 6: Now I would have said the same thing without knowing
18:02
Speaker 6: the Badard context. Now, maybe Greg's wrong, Like I'm not
18:05
Speaker 6: telling you that, oh typical Paul, he believes the negative one.
18:09
Speaker 6: He doesn't believe the positive one. No, I said, what
18:12
Speaker 6: did I say? I know the truth is probably somewhere
18:14
Speaker 6: in the middle. I don't think that I agree with Mike.
18:17
Speaker 6: I think Mac to me comes off as a pretty
18:22
Speaker 6: good guy. Like I don't think he's got like yep.
18:25
Speaker 6: I think that he's a little entitled. I think he's
18:28
Speaker 6: he's been a little spoiled over his career. But I
18:31
Speaker 6: don't think he comes off as like mean spirited in
18:34
Speaker 6: any way or No, I've never read that from him
18:38
Speaker 6: at all, But I think he thinks more of himself
18:40
Speaker 6: than he probably should.
18:41
Speaker 5: But but then you have the stuff in the game
18:43
Speaker 5: that I that I don't like that I started calling
18:45
Speaker 5: out his rookie year. I mean the Brian Burns stuff,
18:48
Speaker 5: the raising his foot to keep guys in the junk,
18:50
Speaker 5: the nut to stuff in it. Like you know, it's
18:53
Speaker 5: just when you add all those things up, you look
18:56
Speaker 5: at what a quarterback has to be in the NFL,
18:58
Speaker 5: and he just wasn't. Well, that's going to get behind
19:01
Speaker 5: him if I you.
19:02
Speaker 2: Know, other than the you know, the talent part of
19:05
Speaker 2: it to be in the NFL, to be a starting
19:08
Speaker 2: quote you have to be a leader.
19:10
Speaker 1: You have to have people follow you.
19:11
Speaker 2: Like I don't know any of the good quarterbacks who
19:14
Speaker 2: don't have control of their offense, you know, and aren't
19:18
Speaker 2: in their you know, teammates face. You can't be aloof
19:22
Speaker 2: in be doing your own thing good or when things
19:25
Speaker 2: are good or bad. You have to be leading your team.
19:28
Speaker 2: That's that's a big trait in the NFL, is leadership
19:32
Speaker 2: out of a quarterback.
19:33
Speaker 5: And that's like guys like Hunter Henry who you know,
19:35
Speaker 5: seem genuine when they said how much they liked Mac,
19:38
Speaker 5: you know, and I think that they all did like Mac.
19:41
Speaker 5: I just don't know if they felt like Max's gonna
19:44
Speaker 5: light a fire under our ass and we feel like
19:45
Speaker 5: we got to win for this guy. And you know,
19:47
Speaker 5: I've played for coaches and you know, captains and stuff,
19:50
Speaker 5: guys that you that you like but also just that
19:53
Speaker 5: you don't want to let down and you want to
19:55
Speaker 5: play hard for. I just I don't know if he's
19:57
Speaker 5: got that kind of gene. And I think as we
19:59
Speaker 5: move to like try to find the next quarterback, that
20:02
Speaker 5: he is right. But I mean, and that's I think
20:05
Speaker 5: the sign of you know, a great boss. I mean
20:07
Speaker 5: it's just it's not the guys that you're afraid of.
20:09
Speaker 5: They're like, oh god, I got to do right because
20:11
Speaker 5: he's gonna yell at.
20:12
Speaker 1: Me what it's like for them.
20:13
Speaker 5: I respect this guy, you know, I want to do
20:15
Speaker 5: a good job for them, but I just I don't
20:18
Speaker 5: think he ever he ever quite got there. And there's
20:20
Speaker 5: just so much complications now, which sounds like they're ready
20:22
Speaker 5: to let him stick around unless they get a trade
20:25
Speaker 5: till Yeah.
20:25
Speaker 1: Wow.
20:25
Speaker 6: It sounds to me like this is and that I
20:28
Speaker 6: think all of this is all part of a bigger thing.
20:30
Speaker 6: Is they're talking, and I think they're trying to start
20:33
Speaker 6: to talk to some of the writers and say, let's
20:35
Speaker 6: see if we can out here.
20:38
Speaker 2: But I do not think he will be remindspisode when
20:41
Speaker 2: Kramer had the coffee deal and they're like that was
20:44
Speaker 2: on the other day. They don't even say that, dude,
20:46
Speaker 2: I'll take it. That's what the Patriots if they get it.
20:49
Speaker 5: Right right, we take him in at one of your paps.
20:52
Speaker 1: We give you nothing.
20:53
Speaker 6: Someone's willing to give a a a second in a
20:57
Speaker 6: fifth for Mac Jones and the guy goes, we'll get
21:00
Speaker 6: will give you a fifth.
21:01
Speaker 1: Take it. I'll take it.
21:02
Speaker 5: I was gonna throw a second in the second there,
21:04
Speaker 5: but forget it.
21:06
Speaker 1: All right, So that's that.
21:08
Speaker 2: And then you mentioned, you know people that other people
21:11
Speaker 2: want to play for, and that leads us to Dan
21:13
Speaker 2: Campbell and what happened with the Lions game and the
21:16
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, and of course we've got to talk
21:18
Speaker 2: about the Chiefs getting to the Super Bowl. I will
21:22
Speaker 2: come off right now and tell everyone I'm rooting against
21:27
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs because I don't want them, over
21:30
Speaker 2: the long haul to be able to equal what the
21:33
Speaker 2: Patriots did over that twenty year run.
21:35
Speaker 1: I admit it.
21:36
Speaker 2: I don't want Patrick Mahomes over the long haul to
21:39
Speaker 2: do what Tom Brady did. I will admit it. But
21:41
Speaker 2: I also will admit the Chiefs are damn good. They
21:45
Speaker 2: know how to win, obviously, and Mahomes is damn good.
21:48
Speaker 2: He's on track if he keeps this up, to have
21:52
Speaker 2: to be better than Tom Brady. But it's he's got
21:54
Speaker 2: a long way to go.
21:55
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna be sitting here saying, Oh, the
21:58
Speaker 1: Chiefs don't deserve it. They're not that good. Mahomes isn't
22:00
Speaker 1: that good.
22:01
Speaker 6: But games are fixed.
22:02
Speaker 2: No, it's because of Patrick Mahomes that the Chiefs are winning,
22:07
Speaker 2: and until the Chiefs don't have Patrick Mahomes, they will
22:10
Speaker 2: continue to win, much to my own dismay and those
22:14
Speaker 2: of other Patriots.
22:15
Speaker 6: Degree.
22:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, how do you feel about San Francisco and
22:17
Speaker 5: six titles though they retired in the sixth timer club?
22:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know that I can't do everything
22:25
Speaker 2: through the Patriots.
22:27
Speaker 1: We can't have everything.
22:28
Speaker 5: And it's also like, I don't know about you guys,
22:29
Speaker 5: but like, I mean, I'm a weird thing because I
22:31
Speaker 5: was like a fan and now I work in you know,
22:33
Speaker 5: but I just kind of appreciate greatness at this point,
22:36
Speaker 5: and it's like, what are you gonna do. You can't
22:38
Speaker 5: just sit there and stomp your feet and be like
22:39
Speaker 5: they're not that good, They're not there.
22:40
Speaker 1: You got to appreciate the forty nine ers.
22:42
Speaker 2: You got to appreciate the Steelers, you know, because they've
22:45
Speaker 2: done it over decades. Not that they had the condensed
22:49
Speaker 2: success the Patriots had, but they are teams that their
22:54
Speaker 2: fan base gets rewarded over time. Like, you know, we've
22:58
Speaker 2: always got a chance. You know, we're always you know,
23:01
Speaker 2: if not the best, we're we're you know, among the
23:04
Speaker 2: top ten teams in the league consistently, you.
23:07
Speaker 5: Know, I mean just what they're doing.
23:10
Speaker 6: Like like like just as as that. Right, So the
23:13
Speaker 6: Niners won whatever it was, like five titles in sixteen
23:17
Speaker 6: years something like that. Yeah, do you look at the
23:21
Speaker 6: Niners any differently because of what the Patriots did?
23:25
Speaker 1: No?
23:26
Speaker 6: So, why, like is everybody so consumed with Kansas City
23:31
Speaker 6: not doing it?
23:32
Speaker 1: Well? I am no, but you're not.
23:34
Speaker 6: Alone for yeah. No, And listen, I understand why people
23:37
Speaker 6: are rooting it. I totally get why you would want
23:40
Speaker 6: Brady to maintain his spot as the undisputed goat that
23:44
Speaker 6: he has now, right, I get that. Like I feel
23:47
Speaker 6: like kind of like Deuce, I kind of like greatness,
23:51
Speaker 6: and I like when the next big thing comes.
23:52
Speaker 2: Around, and I like the like think I like being
23:54
Speaker 2: the greatest, having the greatest be a Patriot.
23:57
Speaker 6: But I think like Lebron coming around to show that
24:01
Speaker 6: it wasn't just Jordan, Like there's there's other great players
24:04
Speaker 6: that we can appreciate watching. I don't like Lebron, I don't,
24:07
Speaker 6: I never have, but I appreciate his greatness and I
24:11
Speaker 6: still would say that Jordan is better. Whatever, But like
24:15
Speaker 6: I think that having another great team to sort of
24:20
Speaker 6: lead you.
24:20
Speaker 2: To the I don't think it's about and it just
24:22
Speaker 2: goes to show you that no matter how great something was,
24:26
Speaker 2: over time something will come by that will be better
24:30
Speaker 2: or as good.
24:31
Speaker 6: That's my point instead of just saying it will never
24:33
Speaker 6: happen again. But I think, don't you just appreciate the
24:36
Speaker 6: fact that it hapened.
24:37
Speaker 2: I think for Patriots fans, and I'll throw myself in
24:40
Speaker 2: this category, it's too soon, Like can we wait twenty
24:44
Speaker 2: years before our ends and theirs begins in like, it's
24:51
Speaker 2: just too soon?
24:52
Speaker 1: Can we just like, you know, yeah, because.
24:56
Speaker 6: While because there was like five years between San Francisco
24:59
Speaker 6: and the Patriots, so this is immediate, yeah, you know.
25:03
Speaker 5: But I mean, like what they've done in this playoff run.
25:06
Speaker 5: I mean we've seen these teams up close, like to
25:08
Speaker 5: beat Miami, which Patriots have enables on Miami, to go
25:11
Speaker 5: to Buffalo and beat Josh Allen, we know what that's like.
25:14
Speaker 5: And then to beat the Ravens where everybody feels like
25:16
Speaker 5: it's their year. I mean it's and they're doing it
25:18
Speaker 5: in different ways.
25:19
Speaker 2: It's not like they're you know, scoring a ton of points.
25:22
Speaker 2: You know, the defense is playing well and Mahomes is
25:24
Speaker 2: finding a way to just stay ahead.
25:27
Speaker 1: And that's very Patriots like it is.
25:31
Speaker 6: Because like the first two games, and in the first
25:33
Speaker 6: half of this Baltimore game, the offense was great. Then
25:36
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, the offense went away and they
25:38
Speaker 6: still won to Freend's point, like because you know, it
25:41
Speaker 6: was like twenty six twenty seven points the first two games,
25:43
Speaker 6: and then the first half seventeen more they look great, yeah,
25:47
Speaker 6: and then the defense took it home.
25:49
Speaker 5: Now, when Brady was in twenty twenty, didn't he win
25:53
Speaker 5: three road games to go to that Super Bowl? Isn't that?
25:55
Speaker 10: Is that?
25:56
Speaker 5: Yeah?
25:57
Speaker 1: Oh well, but it was COVID there were no fans.
26:00
Speaker 6: Right, Yes, he did win three road games.
26:02
Speaker 5: But just the point is, I mean they won two.
26:04
Speaker 5: Brady won two playoff road games here, right, I mean
26:07
Speaker 5: he won against San Diego in O six and he
26:10
Speaker 5: won against Kansas City in twenty eighteen. Like, you know,
26:13
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes.
26:14
Speaker 6: Just those are the only two road games they won
26:16
Speaker 6: playoff games.
26:17
Speaker 5: And this is the first time Patrick Mahomes had to
26:19
Speaker 5: go on there.
26:19
Speaker 2: That was the thing going into the playoffs, Like he's
26:21
Speaker 2: never had playoff games on the road, which is you.
26:25
Speaker 1: Know, but that's because they're so good. It's not his fault.
26:27
Speaker 6: Right, I used a lot I used to make fun
26:29
Speaker 6: of people that criticize the Patriots fan it's not their fault.
26:31
Speaker 6: Did they get the number one seed every year?
26:33
Speaker 11: Right?
26:33
Speaker 5: And he didn't blink? And those are those are hard
26:35
Speaker 5: places to play, and you know they don't have the
26:37
Speaker 5: same kind of firepower maybe they once did. But he's
26:40
Speaker 5: he limits his mistakes, he picks his spots. He's not
26:42
Speaker 5: turning the ball over.
26:43
Speaker 1: So I will. I will give the Chiefs their flowers,
26:48
Speaker 1: but I want them to lose.
26:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, brock Perty still annoys me. And it's not even
26:52
Speaker 5: like an Evan thing. I don't know why it's come
26:54
Speaker 5: on late. It's like a late onset brock Purty annoyance.
26:56
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is. I just I think
26:58
Speaker 5: about him. I think it's really funny.
27:00
Speaker 6: And in a lot of ways, I'm glad he's not
27:02
Speaker 6: here because we don't need to know, we don't need
27:06
Speaker 6: to devolve it into an argument.
27:10
Speaker 1: Why not let's argue.
27:11
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sure you and I will argue because that's
27:13
Speaker 6: what we do. But I come away from these two
27:15
Speaker 6: games like I've been pro prety right, like saying, I
27:19
Speaker 6: think he's better than you give him credit for. I
27:21
Speaker 6: still think he's better than people like evn't give him
27:24
Speaker 6: credit for. But it's two very unimpressive games for him.
27:29
Speaker 5: Like, well, I thought he made some plays in the
27:31
Speaker 5: second half of this.
27:32
Speaker 6: We did run running.
27:34
Speaker 5: That's it running, But that's okay, Yea.
27:36
Speaker 6: He made a couple of plays running that were completely
27:40
Speaker 6: I just know it's fair.
27:41
Speaker 5: You're right.
27:42
Speaker 6: I mean, the team has been thoroughly unimpressive in their
27:44
Speaker 6: two games.
27:45
Speaker 5: I got.
27:46
Speaker 6: I mean, I thought they would really play well in
27:49
Speaker 6: this game after playing so poorly against Green Bay. They didn't.
27:53
Speaker 6: You know, the biggest play of the game was a
27:55
Speaker 6: drop pick that went off a guy's face, and like,
28:01
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know what to think. Like
28:03
Speaker 6: I look at him and I say, yeah, I've seen
28:05
Speaker 6: other guys play for that offense. Garoppolo didn't do it
28:08
Speaker 6: like that. And then at the same time, I'm like,
28:11
Speaker 6: I can see the detractors. I see what they're talking about.
28:14
Speaker 6: He's he can get inaccurate at times. He throws a
28:17
Speaker 6: couple of balls up for grabs, got away with them,
28:21
Speaker 6: I will say, and I strongly believe it is their
28:24
Speaker 6: offensive line and stinks like he gets he's under pressure quickly.
28:29
Speaker 6: He's under pressure quickly, and he takes yeah for his
28:32
Speaker 6: like he he completed a pass early in that game
28:35
Speaker 6: on their first touchdown drive when they were down fourteen,
28:38
Speaker 6: he took one right in the face as he was
28:41
Speaker 6: getting hit and I think it was yeah.
28:44
Speaker 1: Came up with a bloody lip. Is that the one?
28:46
Speaker 5: Yeah? That was.
28:50
Speaker 6: Yeah? That could have been a pen that should.
28:51
Speaker 1: Right right right.
28:54
Speaker 6: There. I mean, I I don't think he stinks. I'm
28:57
Speaker 6: not like Evan, but I don't think that he's quite
29:00
Speaker 6: as good as the pro prety crowd.
29:03
Speaker 5: Like I like what you how you set it upstairs
29:05
Speaker 5: about the Super Bowl of like you know, it's it's
29:08
Speaker 5: like Kansas City.
29:09
Speaker 6: Is not going to let them have yeah if they
29:11
Speaker 6: play they played the first two games, they ain't beating
29:13
Speaker 6: Kansas City because Kansas City isn't going to hand them
29:16
Speaker 6: the game the way that Green Bay in Detroit did,
29:18
Speaker 6: especially Detroit and crow Jones.
29:20
Speaker 2: I do want to say we talked before Paul all
29:23
Speaker 2: of the thing about Dan Campbell and the analytics and
29:26
Speaker 2: everyone blaming on his decisions on the Geeks in the
29:29
Speaker 2: in the basement giving feeding him what to do.
29:33
Speaker 1: Are we sure about that?
29:34
Speaker 2: Because to me, it looks like I'm mister a tough
29:37
Speaker 2: guy and I'm going forward on fourth down like I
29:39
Speaker 2: always do, and like it's more an emotional type of
29:43
Speaker 2: decision rather than an analytical one.
29:45
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't I don't know. I mean, I
29:46
Speaker 5: don't don't either. I don't really know. And it's you know,
29:49
Speaker 5: I would have kicked it. I would have just said, look,
29:51
Speaker 5: it's going to be a tie game. Let's just extend
29:53
Speaker 5: the game. You know, We've kind of got them, like,
29:55
Speaker 5: make them have to make some plays, you know, put
29:57
Speaker 5: some pressure on them. But you know, get the whole
30:00
Speaker 5: thing of like, and I don't know, is there a
30:02
Speaker 5: thing with your team when you kind of prescribe this
30:04
Speaker 5: philosophy We're going to be super aggressive and fourth down
30:07
Speaker 5: come what may? And you know, does I mean, does
30:10
Speaker 5: that get in your head that you're like, well, this
30:12
Speaker 5: is who we are and we just have to do it. Yes,
30:14
Speaker 5: you know, which might say the same.
30:17
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
30:18
Speaker 5: I think that that is.
30:20
Speaker 6: If that's what it is, I would criticize me even
30:22
Speaker 6: more for being inconsistent in the game.
30:23
Speaker 3: There.
30:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, he kicked the field goal once, then he goes
30:26
Speaker 6: for it the next two times. I think he's totally
30:28
Speaker 6: analytics driven. I think that they have a plan in place,
30:32
Speaker 6: and that's what he basically goes by. It's paint by number.
30:35
Speaker 6: But in terms of this game specifically, I think too
30:43
Speaker 6: much has been made of the actual decisions as opposed
30:46
Speaker 6: to the plays, and not the plays that they ran
30:49
Speaker 6: on fullurth down necessarily, but just plays that they didn't
30:51
Speaker 6: make as a team in the second half. It was
30:53
Speaker 6: a total self destruction that I think people are letting
30:56
Speaker 6: the players off the hook totally because it's all Dan
30:58
Speaker 6: Campbell's fault.
31:00
Speaker 1: I would have.
31:00
Speaker 6: I think I could understand the first one because I
31:04
Speaker 6: think they still had control of the I mean it
31:06
Speaker 6: was like, well, the momentum had turned. No, it hadn't.
31:09
Speaker 6: The Niners came out in the first drive, they had
31:10
Speaker 6: to kick a field goal, big deal. They still got
31:12
Speaker 6: a fourteen point lead, and then Detroit got the ball
31:15
Speaker 6: and drove right down the field just the way they
31:16
Speaker 6: did the whole first half. There was no sign that
31:20
Speaker 6: momentum had turned. Just kicking a field goal to make
31:23
Speaker 6: it seventeen. Yeah, I mean in twenty twenty hindsight, they
31:26
Speaker 6: could have used the points, but fourth and two. I
31:30
Speaker 6: didn't think they were going to get stopped on that play.
31:32
Speaker 6: I think I would have gone for it two and
31:33
Speaker 6: gone for the throat. Make it a thirty one to
31:35
Speaker 6: ten game. Halfway through the third quarter of the game's
31:38
Speaker 6: probably going to be over the second one. I think.
31:41
Speaker 6: I'm with Mike. I think you got to kick the
31:42
Speaker 6: second one and tie the game. Now at that point,
31:45
Speaker 6: momentum had completely flipped, and your chances of making that
31:49
Speaker 6: are much more difficult. That's what they don't and I
31:53
Speaker 6: say they derogatory. That's what the nerds don't think. They
31:56
Speaker 6: don't take away. Oh yeah, Oh, it's not the middle
32:00
Speaker 6: of October on a crossing route for Josh Reynolds. Maybe
32:03
Speaker 6: there's a little more pressure here. Maybe maybe that might
32:06
Speaker 6: because they don't believe in clutch. They don't believe in
32:09
Speaker 6: clutching late, they don't believe in touch. This is one
32:11
Speaker 6: thing that Felger talks about all the time that he's
32:13
Speaker 6: right about. That's one of the flaws with it. You
32:16
Speaker 6: can put in whatever you want to make the numbers
32:19
Speaker 6: say what you want, but you can't account for the
32:21
Speaker 6: human element. In these samples, and like I said, I
32:26
Speaker 6: don't kill Dan Campbell. Fred's right, he's been aggressive. I
32:31
Speaker 6: think that you can make an argument that if he
32:34
Speaker 6: changed his ways, they might have been hosting that game
32:36
Speaker 6: on Sunday. But he gets aggressive for better or worse,
32:39
Speaker 6: and it bit him. But I just to me, there
32:44
Speaker 6: was the Reynolds drops, the having Gibbs up, you know,
32:49
Speaker 6: between the tackles, bad move, and obviously they ran and
32:52
Speaker 6: you kind of ran the wrong direction which led to
32:54
Speaker 6: the fumble again, complete self destruction right down to the
32:59
Speaker 6: end of the game. You're chasing ten. If you're going
33:02
Speaker 6: to run the ball there, you got to call two
33:04
Speaker 6: plays again my favorite thing. What is it coaching malpractice? Yeah,
33:09
Speaker 6: you can't do that.
33:10
Speaker 1: And then the Ravens.
33:11
Speaker 2: I was really surprised at the game they put up,
33:13
Speaker 2: you know, I mean a lot of people were blaming
33:15
Speaker 2: it all on and say Flowers and he did kind
33:18
Speaker 2: of have a meltdown at the.
33:19
Speaker 1: End of the game. But like I thought the Ravens
33:22
Speaker 1: would play a better game.
33:23
Speaker 6: Than I did too. I didn't see that. I mean,
33:25
Speaker 6: in fairness, I didn't see the game unfold, but I
33:28
Speaker 6: would have thought that the Ravens would play much better
33:31
Speaker 6: than they than they did.
33:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the seventeen points, but their offense just
33:39
Speaker 2: never couldn't.
33:40
Speaker 6: Do much ever gotten gear, you know, and those those
33:42
Speaker 6: I mean, why did they get away from the run?
33:44
Speaker 5: I think they were like five or six on third
33:46
Speaker 5: down to start. I mean it was just you know,
33:47
Speaker 5: they had him in a bunch of third downs and
33:49
Speaker 5: they were moving, but they just you know, there was
33:51
Speaker 5: the one.
33:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, and let and Kelsey catch eleven passes, I mean
33:55
Speaker 6: right out of the gat, good right.
33:56
Speaker 5: Out of the gate. I mean, I don't know how
33:57
Speaker 5: many he had right in that first half. It was probably,
34:00
Speaker 5: you know, way more than half of them. But you know,
34:02
Speaker 5: I just I kept waiting for like I was like
34:05
Speaker 5: I was thinking in my head, I'm like, you know,
34:06
Speaker 5: Lamar is like this like dream car, and it's like, man,
34:09
Speaker 5: this is just so fun to drive. But then like
34:11
Speaker 5: the one day you try to take it out, it's
34:13
Speaker 5: leading out and you're like, oh, this isn't a great
34:15
Speaker 5: day for this car. You know, like it's just like
34:17
Speaker 5: there was something wrong, like it just.
34:18
Speaker 6: But it didn't look like that there was an issue
34:21
Speaker 6: when the game did.
34:21
Speaker 5: It just couldn't find any rhythm. You know, I'm finding
34:24
Speaker 5: he'd hit a couple of plays down as eight flowers.
34:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Chiefs were doing a good job in coverage,
34:28
Speaker 2: but you know it's Lamar.
34:31
Speaker 5: Like he just couldn't start, you know, when they start
34:33
Speaker 5: rolling and you're like, oh my god, they just like
34:35
Speaker 5: you know, they couldn't get that going for whatever reason,
34:38
Speaker 5: and he'd hold it, hold it hold.
34:40
Speaker 6: I agree with you, guys. It was a curious performance
34:42
Speaker 6: from that team, because I do think they're pretty good
34:45
Speaker 6: and well coached, and they went right back to that
34:47
Speaker 6: undisciplined like seemingly too too jacked up for rat kind
34:52
Speaker 6: of like Rex Ryan Yes kind of performance.
34:54
Speaker 5: Well, I mean Rex having Bart Scott throwing the flag
34:57
Speaker 5: into the state like like those I mean, it wasn't
34:59
Speaker 5: quite that over the top ridiculous of but I'm like, man,
35:02
Speaker 5: this is the Ravens, Like why why did they wait
35:04
Speaker 5: till now to start being idiots? And just I mean,
35:06
Speaker 5: I don't know what say fly. I mean, he was
35:08
Speaker 5: sick with himself with that taunting penalty, but that's a
35:10
Speaker 5: taunting penalty.
35:11
Speaker 1: Long, no doubt kick The guy.
35:13
Speaker 5: Over threw the ball down stood right.
35:14
Speaker 1: It was like.
35:15
Speaker 6: It was I hate that, you know, yeah, it was.
35:18
Speaker 6: You know, I can't argue, you know, I mean that
35:19
Speaker 6: if there's a definition of of what they meant for
35:22
Speaker 6: putting that rule in, that was it.
35:23
Speaker 5: For me. It was the and and maybe he was.
35:26
Speaker 6: It was the push, the standover spin.
35:29
Speaker 5: And maybe the dB was kind of holding him a
35:31
Speaker 5: little bit to get them get off me.
35:33
Speaker 12: Man.
35:33
Speaker 5: You know, everybody kind of does.
35:35
Speaker 1: And that would be fine if that's all he had done.
35:37
Speaker 1: The rest would have let it go. But it was
35:39
Speaker 1: the spinning. It was a standard.
35:40
Speaker 6: If I'm wrong, they overcame that. Right. That was the
35:43
Speaker 6: same drive that he fumbled on. Right, Yes, I think
35:45
Speaker 6: because again I didn't just I'm asking dumb questions because
35:48
Speaker 6: I didn't see the.
35:48
Speaker 1: Game would have happened.
35:50
Speaker 2: Without that, they would have been first and goal I
35:52
Speaker 2: think at the nine or something.
35:53
Speaker 6: No, I know, but they ended up getting the first
35:54
Speaker 6: down inside the one yard line when he fumbled.
35:57
Speaker 1: I know.
35:57
Speaker 2: But it just it was they just needed to do more.
36:00
Speaker 2: That pushed him back fifty Oh yeah, I made it harder. Yeah,
36:02
Speaker 2: now that now they had to get up again and
36:04
Speaker 2: then Flowers, like you said, he fumbled.
36:07
Speaker 6: That to me was far more egregious than the tunnel
36:09
Speaker 6: extending the ball.
36:10
Speaker 5: Saw the interception too, which the interception is dumb, like
36:14
Speaker 5: dumb triple coverage.
36:16
Speaker 6: I hear people talking about interference on that play.
36:18
Speaker 5: You gotta be kid, what are they going to do?
36:19
Speaker 5: I'll stop and just stand around him and wait, like
36:21
Speaker 5: let him getch like.
36:22
Speaker 6: I know there was one that they showed in the
36:24
Speaker 6: highlights on I think the field goal when they end
36:28
Speaker 6: up kicking the field goal to make it seventeen to ten,
36:30
Speaker 6: that through a downplay they missed a hold on unlikely.
36:33
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
36:36
Speaker 6: But I don't have any penalty on the unlikely in
36:38
Speaker 6: the end zone. And triple coverage, no, please, You're not
36:41
Speaker 6: going to get bailed out very often unless you're Brady.
36:44
Speaker 5: So they got to be sick. I mean, everybody felt
36:46
Speaker 5: like Baltimore, this was their year. Yeah, you know, and
36:48
Speaker 5: it's like it's just Mahomes going right, Like you know,
36:50
Speaker 5: everybody's waiting for Josh Allen and and Lamar to click
36:53
Speaker 5: in and have their special year. And you know, Patrick
36:55
Speaker 5: Mahomes is doing. Of those guys what Brady did. That's
36:58
Speaker 5: to like Philip Rivers and you know, all those good
37:00
Speaker 5: quarterbacks there that to me very.
37:03
Speaker 6: We're gonna play well and we're gonna button it up.
37:05
Speaker 6: We're not gonna do anything special, but we're gonna play
37:08
Speaker 6: well and we're gonna let the other team.
37:10
Speaker 5: We're not gonna beat ourselves. We're not gonna.
37:12
Speaker 6: Make because they used to be.
37:15
Speaker 1: It was early Patriots. We'll go to your house. We'll
37:18
Speaker 1: be the underdog.
37:19
Speaker 2: You know, we'll feel disrespected by being called the underdog,
37:23
Speaker 2: but we're gonna beat you at your house, and we're
37:24
Speaker 2: gonna go.
37:26
Speaker 6: There's more Brady Road wins the Pittsburgh games. Of course,
37:29
Speaker 6: there were I knew I knew we were missing somewhere.
37:31
Speaker 6: We started the show in the early in the Pittsburgh
37:34
Speaker 6: Conference Championships one and four, both in Pittsburgh.
37:40
Speaker 1: We went to San Diego.
37:41
Speaker 6: But I want that Mike was talking about I was there.
37:44
Speaker 5: If you hadn't heard that already, h I have to
37:46
Speaker 5: give Laye a shout out though, because we were watching,
37:49
Speaker 5: you know, we watched Kansas City last week and then
37:50
Speaker 5: this week and we're watching the game. She's like, I
37:52
Speaker 5: don't really watch football, but this Patchaco guy looks like
37:55
Speaker 5: he's like the best.
37:55
Speaker 1: Player in the league.
37:56
Speaker 5: And that's how he looks he runs like you're mad man.
38:00
Speaker 6: To runs like he's mad at the ground.
38:03
Speaker 1: And then of course Taylor Swift.
38:05
Speaker 6: So one more thing on the game itself before you
38:08
Speaker 6: go to Taylor Swift, like as an example of like
38:11
Speaker 6: just the players again, like the coaching. You know, I
38:14
Speaker 6: didn't have him ready in your horrible because everybody hates
38:16
Speaker 6: Harball too because he's a whiner. So they get that
38:21
Speaker 6: that that they don't have the right personnel in the
38:23
Speaker 6: field that last drive. They got to get the stop right,
38:25
Speaker 6: they got to get a three and out to get
38:26
Speaker 6: the ball back, and they have too many men in
38:29
Speaker 6: the field, so it sets up first and five. I think,
38:32
Speaker 6: very good coaching, very good preparation to go off side
38:35
Speaker 6: on purpose, right, except you can't kill the guy it
38:39
Speaker 6: right again, just over hyped, like over aggressive dune and
38:43
Speaker 6: then got tight too.
38:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
38:46
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just just a disappointing performance by the Ravens.
38:52
Speaker 2: Let's see, who do we have online?
38:54
Speaker 1: Four? Oh it's Evan Lazaarre from Mobile. What's up? Evan? Hello, guys,
39:00
Speaker 1: how we doing good?
39:01
Speaker 2: You're on the Patriots Unfiltered Show with Mike just So,
39:04
Speaker 2: Paul Parlo and Fred Kursh how you doing.
39:07
Speaker 13: I'm doing well.
39:08
Speaker 7: Thanks for introducing yourself to me, chech. I appreciate that.
39:10
Speaker 1: So tell us everything, what's going on down there? What
39:13
Speaker 1: makes you excited?
39:16
Speaker 7: Yeah, we just got wrapped up national practice here in
39:20
Speaker 7: Bobila and I'm here myself echo. So that's a little weird.
39:23
Speaker 1: But you sound power through?
39:26
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, power through. So I would say it was
39:30
Speaker 7: not the greatest practice for Michael Pennis and Bone Nicks,
39:33
Speaker 7: but these two guys are practicing in the system they're
39:36
Speaker 7: not familiar with, and you don't always see cornerbacks come
39:40
Speaker 7: out here and put on the show. For that reason,
39:43
Speaker 7: by the star of the day, I would say with
39:45
Speaker 7: Michigan wide receiver Roman Wilson, who I really feel like
39:49
Speaker 7: has a lot of I'm on Ross Saint Brown in
39:51
Speaker 7: his game. Not a not a Paul type, sorry, Paul.
39:54
Speaker 7: Not an outside guy's.
39:57
Speaker 6: Good player.
39:58
Speaker 7: Yeah, another slot receive, but I look at him as
40:01
Speaker 7: someone that could be a high volume guy at the
40:03
Speaker 7: next level. He was uncoverable here today. I don't really
40:07
Speaker 7: think I saw anybody be able to cover him out
40:10
Speaker 7: of this cornerback group which has some good players in it.
40:12
Speaker 7: So I was really impressed with him and a couple
40:15
Speaker 7: of tackles definitely looked a part, and I know that
40:18
Speaker 7: that's the group that the Patriots are going to look
40:19
Speaker 7: closely at here this week.
40:21
Speaker 1: Okay, with Wilson, what do you think third round? Second round?
40:27
Speaker 7: So he was a late stay two projection coming into today,
40:32
Speaker 7: So a third round pick maybe if you have such
40:35
Speaker 7: a deep wide receiver class, he could maybe be pushed
40:38
Speaker 7: into early day three. But if he continues to practice
40:41
Speaker 7: like this down here, I don't think that's going to happen.
40:43
Speaker 7: I think we're going to talk about him in the
40:45
Speaker 7: second or third round easy. I mean, he just has
40:48
Speaker 7: a really smooth route. It gets great separation at the
40:51
Speaker 7: top of the route, doesn't fight the ball, can transition
40:54
Speaker 7: into his yards after the catch. That's why I make
40:57
Speaker 7: them on Ross Saint Brown comp because he's not the
41:00
Speaker 7: fastest guy down the field, but he's just incredibly smooth
41:03
Speaker 7: all around with his route running. And I see a
41:05
Speaker 7: lot of that in his game. But I think here
41:08
Speaker 7: today you saw at the end of practice too, you know,
41:11
Speaker 7: best on best they kind of took one on ones
41:14
Speaker 7: at the end. Would they pulled some of the best
41:16
Speaker 7: guys on each side of the ball and Kingsley Sumati
41:21
Speaker 7: is a tackle from BYU. He that shut down Laky
41:25
Speaker 7: Latsu is going to be a first round pick a
41:27
Speaker 7: couple of times. So I was really impressed with him
41:30
Speaker 7: in terms of the tackles.
41:31
Speaker 2: Folk okay, and in terms of other teams, to the
41:34
Speaker 2: best of what you can see, every team represented there.
41:37
Speaker 1: In terms of scouting, Oh.
41:40
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, the Patriots have a full contingent here. They
41:44
Speaker 7: got about probably eight or nine guys. I would say
41:47
Speaker 7: on the scouting side, you know macro Elliott, Wolves obviously here,
41:52
Speaker 7: Cameron Williams, and then pretty much every team I've seen
41:55
Speaker 7: so far. You know, some teams spread. I was thinking
41:58
Speaker 7: to you, guys, because you know some teams they're they're
42:00
Speaker 7: marching around with their guests puffed out a little bit.
42:02
Speaker 7: After this season, saw Nick Casario, he had a nice
42:05
Speaker 7: little pep to his step. I thought, you know, you
42:08
Speaker 7: see some of those teams. It's funny when the teams
42:11
Speaker 7: that went deep in the playoffs and things like that,
42:13
Speaker 7: they always have a little bit more swagger when they
42:15
Speaker 7: come around and they find around than compared.
42:17
Speaker 1: To last the teams.
42:18
Speaker 2: The teams that already have their quarterback are the ones
42:20
Speaker 2: that are you know less pressure. Yeah, you know, so
42:24
Speaker 2: now I can fill other spots. I'm not so worried
42:27
Speaker 2: about the quarterback position.
42:28
Speaker 1: It gives you a lot of freedom.
42:30
Speaker 5: Did you see the Ravens guys? Are they how are
42:32
Speaker 5: they walking around?
42:34
Speaker 7: I did see a few Ravens guys and they were
42:38
Speaker 7: not very talkative you that way. But I think it
42:40
Speaker 7: is funny that the teams that, like a team like
42:43
Speaker 7: the Texas, they had kind of a out of nowhere
42:46
Speaker 7: type of season, maybe maybe a year earlier than people
42:49
Speaker 7: saw it that they would be this deep in the playoffs.
42:52
Speaker 7: So you see the difference between those teams and then
42:54
Speaker 7: like the Ravens contingent, who are disappointed with their results
42:58
Speaker 7: even though they made it all the way to the
42:59
Speaker 7: champions fifty and so he definitely can feel those vibes
43:02
Speaker 7: coming off of certain personal departments for sure.
43:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I understand that our content team you included,
43:08
Speaker 2: will have h We'll be able to talk with Matt
43:11
Speaker 2: grow and some of the scouts there.
43:12
Speaker 1: Has that happened already or is that going to happen.
43:16
Speaker 7: No, We're going to talk to a few of them
43:17
Speaker 7: after practice today and then probably Macro tomorrow. Is I
43:21
Speaker 7: think the plan. But yeah, we are going to talk
43:23
Speaker 7: to those guys. So I'm really interested and excited to
43:27
Speaker 7: pick their brains just about this class in general and
43:30
Speaker 7: see what they think. You know, I think the buzz
43:32
Speaker 7: around here continues to be you need a quarterback or a
43:35
Speaker 7: receiver or a tackle. This is a really good class.
43:38
Speaker 7: And that's the Patriots, right. Those are the three positions
43:40
Speaker 7: that keeps on hammering every time he's available to the media,
43:45
Speaker 7: is those three spots on offense. So I think that
43:47
Speaker 7: this is going to be a good class for the Patriots.
43:49
Speaker 1: And but Mayo himself is not there, correct.
43:52
Speaker 7: No, no girod Mayo. I assume he's back at home
43:54
Speaker 7: doing OC interviews and things like that.
43:56
Speaker 1: Still, okay, all right, well listen, any good eats so far?
44:01
Speaker 1: Or is that.
44:04
Speaker 14: No?
44:04
Speaker 7: We'll go out tonight. Last night we kept a little
44:06
Speaker 7: bit low key. We had a long day of travel yesterday.
44:10
Speaker 7: So well, well, maybe we'll find some spots tonight. I
44:14
Speaker 7: think mad Smith wants to get some some crawfish or
44:17
Speaker 7: something like that down here, and.
44:20
Speaker 5: Oh boy, have fun.
44:22
Speaker 2: All right, all right, well, keep up the good work.
44:24
Speaker 2: We'll be looking for your stuff on your social media accounts.
44:27
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
44:29
Speaker 5: You probably our website too.
44:30
Speaker 7: Yeah, so good stuff absolutely anytime, guys.
44:35
Speaker 1: All right, Evan, thanks. Evan Lazarre checking in from Mobile,
44:39
Speaker 1: Alabama at the Senior.
44:40
Speaker 5: Bowl, having the time of his life.
44:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I mean, this is the super Bowl.
44:45
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, No, I'm excited. He's wanted to go for
44:48
Speaker 5: a long time, so I'm excited for him. And yeah,
44:51
Speaker 5: it's a big, big week. The draft starts in Mobile,
44:53
Speaker 5: so here we go.
44:54
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, And then before Evan called, we wanted
44:57
Speaker 2: to touch on the whole Taylor Swift thing, so you know,
45:01
Speaker 2: it's a big time for her.
45:03
Speaker 1: You know, her guy is.
45:04
Speaker 2: In the Super Bowl and people think it's a conspiracy
45:07
Speaker 2: theory by the league to have her in there, and
45:10
Speaker 2: you know she's going to perform at halftime. I'm going
45:12
Speaker 2: to tell you right now, there's no way on God's
45:14
Speaker 2: green Earth that she performs at halftime at the super Bowl.
45:17
Speaker 6: There's no way I want to see it happen.
45:18
Speaker 2: There's no way, because half the stadium will boo her.
45:22
Speaker 5: Isn't it already book though?
45:23
Speaker 1: Isn't it already like this that they can always fit somebody?
45:27
Speaker 6: Ye, yeah, it always happens.
45:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, But she's not going to do it, but she
45:30
Speaker 1: she that's a bad business move on her end to
45:34
Speaker 1: do that.
45:34
Speaker 5: She she she's too modern for the Super Bowl. You
45:36
Speaker 5: need to be at least like ten years after your
45:38
Speaker 5: your highlight.
45:39
Speaker 6: Right, like Usher was like, and she did say no
45:42
Speaker 6: to believe.
45:43
Speaker 1: Well that was before she started seeing Kelsey.
45:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, Well, but.
45:49
Speaker 2: Because she's so tied to one team, she'd be crazy
45:52
Speaker 2: to go out there. She's going to get booed by
45:54
Speaker 2: all the fans of the other team.
45:56
Speaker 5: But aren't there mostly like kind of corporate fans there?
45:58
Speaker 5: I mean, are there heavy can some actual team the
46:01
Speaker 5: Super Bowl?
46:02
Speaker 6: Mike, You wouldn't know, because.
46:04
Speaker 5: I probably never will.
46:06
Speaker 6: You know, Usually the stadiums are half and half.
46:08
Speaker 2: People pick sides and like even when she was here
46:11
Speaker 2: for the Kansas City game, when they showed her, like
46:14
Speaker 2: the young girl screamed like they couldn't believe it, and
46:16
Speaker 2: then it was followed by booze from the Patriots fans.
46:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's what's gonna happen.
46:21
Speaker 5: They got to balance it off with one of the
46:23
Speaker 5: forty nine ers girlfriends or wives or something, you know,
46:25
Speaker 5: let her like like Kyle Yuschek's wife, come out and
46:28
Speaker 5: like design Ja Olivia Coppol, like have them come out
46:31
Speaker 5: and do a little fashion thing. You know, it's.
46:34
Speaker 1: McCaffrey is a culpobopo colpol.
46:38
Speaker 6: I don't know. I just got a type to Dola.
46:41
Speaker 5: Dola, Yeah, Dola, she's she can't wait. She's like every
46:45
Speaker 5: picture of her, she's with some guy who's got football
46:47
Speaker 5: pads and and and a hat on, you know, after
46:49
Speaker 5: just winning something.
46:50
Speaker 2: All right, eight five five pats five hundred is the
46:52
Speaker 2: a stick and hutline. Let's get to some phone calls,
46:55
Speaker 2: talk about anything.
46:57
Speaker 1: Domini's in New York. What's up Dominic?
47:00
Speaker 15: Hey, guys, how y'all doing.
47:02
Speaker 16: Good?
47:04
Speaker 13: Just going back?
47:04
Speaker 17: Fred?
47:04
Speaker 15: I also agree just give.
47:06
Speaker 16: It some time.
47:06
Speaker 15: I wanted Tom Brady to be the goat for a
47:08
Speaker 15: little bit longer. I think Patrick Mahomes is going to
47:10
Speaker 15: get there. So I definitely agree with understanding greatness. But
47:14
Speaker 15: you know, I kind of want to Brady for before
47:17
Speaker 15: we have to debates and whatnot. But that's you know,
47:19
Speaker 15: not the here nor there. The reason I'm calling it
47:22
Speaker 15: is actually more about the Detroit San Francisco game, and
47:25
Speaker 15: part of your point I am pro perty. I mean,
47:28
Speaker 15: you know, he's dropping the seventh round. None really expected
47:31
Speaker 15: anything from him. He's doing incredibly well, but people were still,
47:34
Speaker 15: you know, knocking him, similar to how they kind of
47:36
Speaker 15: knocked their gods thing, like, you know, Sean McVay the
47:39
Speaker 15: real reason he counts success. Which is great, you have
47:41
Speaker 15: a coach that can coach, right, But the first couple
47:43
Speaker 15: of years he had great numbers similar to Party, at
47:47
Speaker 15: least in his first full season, and people were still
47:50
Speaker 15: kind of going against the guy so much so that
47:52
Speaker 15: you know, even if they you know, paid him Detroit whatever.
47:55
Speaker 15: But Jared godso he's a really good quarterback in the league.
47:58
Speaker 15: I think Party can be a really good quarterback in
48:00
Speaker 15: the league. I really don't understand the hate. He takes
48:03
Speaker 15: hits and things in the pocket and still makes the
48:05
Speaker 15: throws he's able to make off platform those You're not
48:08
Speaker 15: going to go and say, you know, top pier leap.
48:11
Speaker 15: But he's a very good quarterback and I think in
48:13
Speaker 15: that system that's all you can really ask for.
48:15
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he's.
48:16
Speaker 15: Making the place and even when it's my perpose, he's
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Speaker 15: making them when it counts, right, So I think, you know,
48:21
Speaker 15: for me, I give him the credit to that. But
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Speaker 15: switching gears real quick like one of the things. Obviously,
48:27
Speaker 15: I think Detroy gave away that game. And to your point,
48:31
Speaker 15: I kind of just wish they kicked the field go
48:33
Speaker 15: at the end. And even beyond that, I was really
48:36
Speaker 15: mad with the time out management. You get three full timeouts,
48:38
Speaker 15: you're driving, you get in the field goal range, you
48:40
Speaker 15: still have your three maybe ticket if you can try
48:43
Speaker 15: to get another drive, maybe you try to, you know,
48:45
Speaker 15: go for the big play, go for the end zone.
48:47
Speaker 15: But there was a lot of mismanagement at the end
48:49
Speaker 15: with Dan Campbell, and it kind of goes back to
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Speaker 15: what people are saying, like, you know, he's a good leader,
48:54
Speaker 15: but situationally, it just seemed like everything was out of watch,
48:57
Speaker 15: even though that's who you are as a person trying
49:00
Speaker 15: to get to you know, you're trying to make it sure.
49:02
Speaker 18: To the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 15: So I was really just buried the hand north at
49:05
Speaker 15: the end of the game. And it makes me think,
49:06
Speaker 15: you know, when Ji rop Mayo as he takes over,
49:09
Speaker 15: how good he be with a situational football right now?
49:11
Speaker 15: So you know, good is he with coaching the players?
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Speaker 15: I think Danny and Medola said at the Ravens with
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Speaker 15: one of the Raven players as they flowers. They said,
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Speaker 15: oh yeah, that's why you never reached for the end
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Speaker 15: zone because they can knock it out the Belts.
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Speaker 13: I taught the standard.
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Speaker 15: That's something they pointed to. So I'm curious to see
49:26
Speaker 15: next season what situational downs look like. Is he really
49:29
Speaker 15: aggressive on boards down, what are the play calls and
49:31
Speaker 15: sort of what does he coach the players to do.
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Speaker 15: And I think seeing everything that happens with Dan Campbell,
49:36
Speaker 15: I'm more curious about that with Ji Rob Mayo and
49:39
Speaker 15: give me something to look forward to.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, absolutely, and you we won't know until we're in
49:43
Speaker 2: the moment. There's no way to tell, thanks Dominic. There's
49:45
Speaker 2: no way to tell if a guy's good at that
49:47
Speaker 2: until they get to do it non preseason. Forget, I'm
49:51
Speaker 2: talking about in a game high pressure. You know, how
49:55
Speaker 2: quickly can you.
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Speaker 5: Think yeah, you know, yeah, And I mean it's just
49:58
Speaker 5: like you said, there's much to manage for a head coach,
50:01
Speaker 5: and you know, you get in the bullets are flying.
50:03
Speaker 5: You know, maybe he's talking in the defense about something
50:05
Speaker 5: like there's just so much on a head coach's plate.
50:07
Speaker 5: That's why I wonder, you know, with some of these
50:09
Speaker 5: reports about Steve Belichick sticking around, would that be you know,
50:12
Speaker 5: would he be potentially like in some kind of Ernie
50:16
Speaker 5: Adams as I don't know, I don't know. I'm just
50:19
Speaker 5: but thinking of people that he might have as you know,
50:21
Speaker 5: a not a consultant, but you know, kind of an
50:24
Speaker 5: assistant coach, that assistant to the head coach that you know,
50:27
Speaker 5: maybe is paying attention to those things or you know something.
50:29
Speaker 5: I just I think that's a valuable role. I think
50:31
Speaker 5: it was. Everybody loved Ernie Adams, and you know, I
50:34
Speaker 5: think that's that's something the head coach can use, some
50:36
Speaker 5: somebody to lean on who's kind of got a big picture.
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Speaker 2: Of someone that that's all they're doing. You know, they're
50:40
Speaker 2: not worried about the offense of the defense and everything else,
50:42
Speaker 2: but they're just focused on situational you know, decisions, challenge
50:48
Speaker 2: clock related, down a distance related, you know, things like that.
50:52
Speaker 5: Should we challenge, yeah, should we challenge this thing?
50:54
Speaker 6: Its kind of I'm available.
50:57
Speaker 5: You'd be good out of Paul. You you'd be though
50:59
Speaker 5: you might get a little.
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Speaker 6: I do think it was well, I just I just
51:02
Speaker 6: get mad when they don't do it right.
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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't.
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't get mad when we're doing it together.
51:07
Speaker 2: I could just see, you know, they do the shot
51:09
Speaker 2: of Paul in the booth and there's this empty diet
51:11
Speaker 2: pepsis all over the place.
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Speaker 1: He's this shirt.
51:16
Speaker 6: So I liked one of the things that Dominic said
51:19
Speaker 6: about Purdy and then in golf, and I don't know
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Speaker 6: if he was me meant it this way, but I
51:25
Speaker 6: think that it's it's sort of similar in that, like
51:28
Speaker 6: no one thinks gof's any good either, right, and so
51:32
Speaker 6: it's not about where the guy got drafted, Like I
51:34
Speaker 6: know this, like we were talking a little bit off here,
51:36
Speaker 6: like well, you know, there's this this theory that because
51:39
Speaker 6: he was the mister Irrelevant, no one could admit they
51:42
Speaker 6: missed him. I don't think that has anything to do
51:44
Speaker 6: with it. I think that plenty of people admitted they
51:47
Speaker 6: missed it with Brady didn't take that long. So to me,
51:52
Speaker 6: like Jared Goff was the number one overall pick in
51:54
Speaker 6: the draft and people still don't think he's any good, right,
51:57
Speaker 6: they think he's a product of the system. But just
51:59
Speaker 6: like sl like Dominic.
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Speaker 2: Syeah, other than the draft position, they're both very similar
52:04
Speaker 2: in that they're good quarterbacks. I think GoF has a
52:07
Speaker 2: better arm over yeah, yeah, but I think what holds
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Speaker 2: them back is under pressure, you know, and making that
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Speaker 2: mistake in a critical moment.
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Speaker 1: Not that Brady Brady did too. I mean, Brady had.
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Speaker 2: A lot of picks in the end zone, you know,
52:23
Speaker 2: but he would ultimately overcome those.
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Speaker 6: Yeah. I actually think Birdie is better off platform than
52:29
Speaker 6: GoF is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, but you know, they're both similar where they're
52:33
Speaker 1: They're just there, but they things are holding them back
52:37
Speaker 1: from being great, you know.
52:39
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, and I think jered Os made some
52:41
Speaker 5: real strides in his career, you know. I mean, going
52:43
Speaker 5: from that Patriots Super Bowl where you know, it seemed
52:45
Speaker 5: like they kind of had him flummoxed a little bit.
52:48
Speaker 5: We would not really know what was going on. But yeah, well,
52:51
Speaker 5: all right.
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Speaker 8: Part one of the two thousand and three The Super Sequel,
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Speaker 20: They are Super Bowl champions for the first time, the
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Speaker 20: New England Patriots coming out onto the Gillett Stadium term.
54:35
Speaker 10: This crowd has been given this team a standing ovation
54:39
Speaker 10: for over an hour.
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Speaker 6: This is more like a Super Bowl celebration, but an
54:42
Speaker 6: opening ban season.
54:44
Speaker 5: After shocking the world and winning their first championship, the
54:46
Speaker 5: two thousand and two Patriots started hot, winning their first
54:49
Speaker 5: three games of the season after raising a banner against
54:51
Speaker 5: the Steelers, but they then lost their next four in
54:54
Speaker 5: a row and that started an up and down season
54:56
Speaker 5: that will bottom out the two games skid in late
54:58
Speaker 5: December against the Titans and Jets that put their playoff
55:01
Speaker 5: hopes in doubts.
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Speaker 10: Disappointing loss for the Patriots here tonight in Nashville, Tennessee.
55:06
Speaker 10: The fall to eight and six after forcing the Jets
55:09
Speaker 10: to punt.
55:10
Speaker 5: A fumbled punt.
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Speaker 10: Recovered by the Jets at the Patriots twenty yard line
55:13
Speaker 10: and the Jets regained the lead on the field goal
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Speaker 10: and the Patriots were never able to recover. Very disappointing game.
55:20
Speaker 5: Scott Pioli, Patriots director of player personnel.
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Speaker 21: Going into the two season you know, we knew that
55:27
Speaker 21: there were holes, We knew that there were limitations with
55:29
Speaker 21: our roster, and we didn't make the playoffs, which was
55:33
Speaker 21: really frustrating to us on a number of different levels.
55:38
Speaker 21: But we also knew that we were saying, you know,
55:41
Speaker 21: the ground up was being set for this to be
55:44
Speaker 21: a good up and coming team.
55:46
Speaker 5: Paul Parrillo, Patriots Football Weekly.
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Speaker 6: They were way ahead of schedule, you know, with their
55:51
Speaker 6: performance in two thousand and one, and it was, you know,
55:56
Speaker 6: in retrospect, fairly remarkable that that team was able to
55:59
Speaker 6: win the Super Bowl. So I think that you got
56:01
Speaker 6: an impression that everything had sort of been, you know,
56:05
Speaker 6: progressed to a spot that really it hadn't been.
56:08
Speaker 5: Nick Fitzi Stevens, Patriots fan and personality.
56:11
Speaker 22: Coming off of the shocking two thousand and one Super
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Speaker 22: Bowl victory super Bowl thirty six, I think everyone regionally
56:19
Speaker 22: was so high and so grateful, so blown away by
56:24
Speaker 22: what the Patriots accomplished that year that in a lot
56:27
Speaker 22: of ways, the next season was gravy to Pats fans
56:30
Speaker 22: two thousand and two, like, hey, whatever you guys do,
56:32
Speaker 22: it's cool, because you just delivered us a super Bowl championship.
56:36
Speaker 22: But this being New England as well, our expectations can
56:40
Speaker 22: be a little high sometimes.
56:41
Speaker 5: In the final week of the regular season, New England
56:43
Speaker 5: avenged an earlier loss to the Dolphins with an overtime
56:45
Speaker 5: victory that capped off a thirty seven hundred yard passing
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Speaker 5: campaign from Tom Brady ridy touchdown to Toy Brown, a
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Speaker 5: nine and seven record to finish the year while putting
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Speaker 5: the Patriots back into playoff contention.
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Speaker 11: The Patriots well, but their playoff hopes would depend on
57:06
Speaker 11: a Jets victory over the Packers later that afternoon.
57:09
Speaker 5: And we are inside the Meadowlands.
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Speaker 14: Here it is Brother Brick, New Jersey, the New York
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Speaker 14: Jets taking the field, and at this moment they do
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Speaker 14: not know their fate. Christian Fourrier, University of Colorado. We
57:21
Speaker 14: need the Jets to beat Green Bay. They already had
57:24
Speaker 14: it locked up. Gets over on a six post six
57:28
Speaker 14: four New York Jets. It's crazy how quickly the season
57:32
Speaker 14: just ended. The end the game with so much excitement,
57:35
Speaker 14: and you know, Hope, and you're like, yeah, all we
57:37
Speaker 14: have to do is make the dance. Game's over. Everybody's
57:39
Speaker 14: high five and everybody. Thirty minutes later, we all realized
57:42
Speaker 14: that the game was over and the season was over.
57:45
Speaker 5: Matt Chatham, linebacker and special teamer.
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Speaker 18: I think two thousand and two was just still part
57:52
Speaker 18: of the process, you know, where we're Scott and Bill,
57:54
Speaker 18: we're trying to get it too, and it's just sort
57:58
Speaker 18: of a transition kind of period. We we didn't do
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Speaker 18: a lot of those little things down the stretch that
58:04
Speaker 18: we did, know one.
58:05
Speaker 5: Teddy Bruski Arizona.
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Speaker 23: I mean, we were worried about things we shouldn't have
58:08
Speaker 23: been worried about in two thousand and two. I mean,
58:10
Speaker 23: I remember captain's meetings with a coach Belichick, and we
58:14
Speaker 23: were talking about with uniforms you were going to wear.
58:16
Speaker 23: It's like we want to go blue on blue, you know,
58:18
Speaker 23: So how's that sound Bill? And Bill's looking at that
58:20
Speaker 23: as like, what are you guys talking about? And so
58:23
Speaker 23: our heads were, you know, I think we were still
58:25
Speaker 23: in the clouds because I mean as much as Bill
58:28
Speaker 23: could could, you know, sort of preach one game at
58:32
Speaker 23: a time and do your job and all that stuff
58:34
Speaker 23: human nature about becoming a champion, it is hard to forget.
58:38
Speaker 23: It's hard to forget, and I don't think we could
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Speaker 23: do that in two thousand and two.
58:41
Speaker 5: Despite not making the playoffs, there were some silver linings
58:43
Speaker 5: to come out of the two thousand and two season,
58:45
Speaker 5: most notably the emergence of rookie wide receiver Dion Branch,
58:48
Speaker 5: who had forty three catches, four hundred and eighty nine
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Speaker 5: yards and two touchdowns.
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Speaker 10: Brady quick wires over the middle clock first down like
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Speaker 10: Deon Branch, the rookie hoterrific catad sout, cat, squat, all over, sensational.
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Speaker 5: Catchy Branch would become a vital part to Super Bowl
59:04
Speaker 5: title wins.
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Speaker 6: Paul Perillo, Branch was was terrific from from day one,
59:09
Speaker 6: and he was one of those guys at training camp
59:11
Speaker 6: that you watched and we've seen a lot of training
59:13
Speaker 6: camps now together and you can see these guys, you know,
59:15
Speaker 6: they stand out, they pop right away, and Branch was
59:18
Speaker 6: one of those guys. So you kind of had an idea,
59:20
Speaker 6: this is this is the kind of receiver they like.
59:23
Speaker 6: They like to accentuate the slot, guys you know that
59:26
Speaker 6: are more concerned with route running than necessarily the explosiveness.
59:33
Speaker 6: So he was he was a perfect fit, I think
59:35
Speaker 6: for that for that offense.
59:36
Speaker 24: Dion brant Reui will the most important piece is going
59:39
Speaker 24: into it, you know, have an opportunity to be dropped
59:42
Speaker 24: by the team they just came.
59:42
Speaker 6: Off with Super Bowl victory.
59:44
Speaker 24: Uh, just being around these guys, I mean taking all
59:46
Speaker 24: that stuff in. Uh, being blessed to have guys like
59:49
Speaker 24: you know, Troy Brown as my my my captain, my leader.
59:53
Speaker 24: Uh you know, obviously Tom Brady is the.
59:55
Speaker 6: Quarterback, you know.
59:56
Speaker 24: But but but being a room with Troy Brown and
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Speaker 24: my our brother, the love brother who passed and left us,
1:00:02
Speaker 24: David Patton, and a guy who I love so much
1:00:05
Speaker 24: and respect so dearly and had taken a lot of
1:00:07
Speaker 24: things from it. But being blessed to be in that
1:00:09
Speaker 24: room with those individuals, to be part of the greatest
1:00:12
Speaker 24: team and the greatest head coach man. That was everything
1:00:14
Speaker 24: as a rookie. You know, it's just trying to be
1:00:17
Speaker 24: a sponge. I didn't take anything from it. My most
1:00:19
Speaker 24: important piece. I want to do everything that these guys accidentally,
1:00:23
Speaker 24: and I tried my best to do that.
1:00:24
Speaker 5: Tom Brady showed he was no flash in the pan,
1:00:26
Speaker 5: But the lack of a playoff birth called any immediate
1:00:28
Speaker 5: talk of the team being a perennial contender after winning
1:00:31
Speaker 5: a standalone championship.
1:00:32
Speaker 6: That kind of gets me fired up because I think,
1:00:34
Speaker 6: and you know, the hell of these people know obviously,
1:00:36
Speaker 6: what Tom Brady did, you know, was remarkable in two
1:00:39
Speaker 6: thousand and two. I think Brady showed you that he
1:00:43
Speaker 6: in fact was going to be that guy. You know,
1:00:46
Speaker 6: a lot of people forget that he led the league
1:00:48
Speaker 6: in touchdown passes, you know, to the defense, however, started
1:00:53
Speaker 6: to lose some of the pieces that were part of
1:00:55
Speaker 6: that core because Bill brought in a lot of you know,
1:00:59
Speaker 6: his guys, you know, the Circle of the Wagon, guys
1:01:01
Speaker 6: that were kind of veterans in one big part of
1:01:04
Speaker 6: the team. Try to replace some of those guys, and
1:01:07
Speaker 6: it didn't work out. And I would say to you know,
1:01:09
Speaker 6: the very short answer to your question, what happened in
1:01:11
Speaker 6: O two? They couldn't stop the run. They absolutely could
1:01:14
Speaker 6: not stop the run.
1:01:15
Speaker 14: Christian Fourier University of Colorado. You know, we were nine
1:01:17
Speaker 14: and seven, and it was interesting because Brady had so
1:01:21
Speaker 14: much attention and accolades. After that was his second year
1:01:26
Speaker 14: in the league, winning the Super Bowl, and then I
1:01:29
Speaker 14: remember we played the Pittsburgh Steelers. He had a great
1:01:31
Speaker 14: game beat them, but then we finished nine to seven,
1:01:33
Speaker 14: We lost like three games in a row. Was ugly.
1:01:35
Speaker 14: We were really fighting at scratching and then nothing. So
1:01:39
Speaker 14: it almost felt like, you know, the whole Brady many
1:01:42
Speaker 14: had kind of died down. He was still a young,
1:01:44
Speaker 14: good looking quarterback that had a lot of you know,
1:01:48
Speaker 14: upside to him, but no one really knew what it was.
1:01:51
Speaker 5: Nick Fitzi Stevens.
1:01:53
Speaker 22: Entering the two thousand and three season, now we're at
1:01:55
Speaker 22: this sort of flashpoint, this very pivotal moment with these Patriots, like, hey,
1:01:59
Speaker 22: is this Tom Brady guy really going to be something
1:02:02
Speaker 22: special in the long haul? Is this team going to
1:02:04
Speaker 22: be perpetually competitive or were they a flash in the
1:02:08
Speaker 22: pan who caught a little lightning in the bottle? And
1:02:11
Speaker 22: rather now they more are an eight and eight, nine
1:02:13
Speaker 22: and seven type of team.
1:02:15
Speaker 5: Karen Grigian with the Boston Herald.
1:02:17
Speaker 25: Well, I think, you know, after they won that first
1:02:21
Speaker 25: Super Bowl, to the shock of everyone, I think people
1:02:25
Speaker 25: sat back and you know, looked at the team, looked
1:02:29
Speaker 25: at their defense, and looked at this up and coming quarterback,
1:02:33
Speaker 25: and you know they were thinking, well, maybe, you know,
1:02:36
Speaker 25: maybe they can make more of this, you know, and
1:02:39
Speaker 25: especially with Bill Belichick as a head coach. There was
1:02:42
Speaker 25: talk about the proverbial hangover, and with Tom Brady there
1:02:48
Speaker 25: and his mindset of always wanting the next one, you know,
1:02:53
Speaker 25: it seemed like that wouldn't happen to the Patriots, but
1:02:56
Speaker 25: it did. And I actually think what happened in two
1:03:02
Speaker 25: thousand and two fueled quite a bit of what happened
1:03:05
Speaker 25: in two thousand and three.
1:03:07
Speaker 5: Paul Perillo.
1:03:08
Speaker 6: They were banged up at by the end of it.
1:03:10
Speaker 6: I think Tom himself had a separated shoulder by the end,
1:03:13
Speaker 6: and they fell short. I mean championship medal, you could
1:03:17
Speaker 6: see because that team just didn't have it. But they
1:03:19
Speaker 6: found a way to stay relevant right until the last
1:03:21
Speaker 6: game of the season.
1:03:22
Speaker 26: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes. Replacements
1:03:28
Speaker 26: were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
1:03:31
Speaker 26: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where
1:03:35
Speaker 26: now it's next for residential delivery only.
1:03:39
Speaker 5: And now great moments in.
1:03:44
Speaker 4: History.
1:03:44
Speaker 6: You know what you do when you don't really have
1:03:46
Speaker 6: anything tangible, you go on. You go on things that
1:03:48
Speaker 6: are completely subjective. I think it's Steve Belichick and Gerd
1:03:52
Speaker 6: Mayo understand. Yeah, I can't argue, I can't argue with that.
1:03:56
Speaker 6: I can't argue. I can't argue with.
1:03:57
Speaker 1: That Paul makes fun of all the staff geeks. Unless
1:04:01
Speaker 1: he was making fun of.
1:04:02
Speaker 6: That, I'm not making I'm not giving you any stats.
1:04:05
Speaker 6: I'm giving you performances. The other team moved the ball
1:04:08
Speaker 6: at will and scored points.
1:04:10
Speaker 1: That's all.
1:04:10
Speaker 6: That's not a stat.
1:04:11
Speaker 1: Do you think green Bay moved the ball at will.
1:04:13
Speaker 6: From the second half on? Yes, okay, but not the
1:04:16
Speaker 6: first half. They got off to a slow start offensively
1:04:19
Speaker 6: in the first half. Why the Patriots defense played well
1:04:22
Speaker 6: in the first half, I said, go back and listen
1:04:24
Speaker 6: to the post.
1:04:24
Speaker 1: And last week they put a game together where both
1:04:26
Speaker 1: halves they played. So they're getting better. They're getting better.
1:04:30
Speaker 6: You told me they got better in the green Bay game.
1:04:32
Speaker 2: I think they were better in green Bay than they
1:04:33
Speaker 2: were the week before, right, Yes, they were, So they're
1:04:37
Speaker 2: getting better.
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Speaker 6: They were, but they weren't better than they were against Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Pittsburgh stinks.
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Speaker 6: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I mean I do take some things that the consideration.
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Speaker 6: Who I think they were better than I think they
1:04:48
Speaker 6: were better against green Bay than they were against Baltimore.
1:04:51
Speaker 6: I do, Okay, evidence of getting better in the I
1:04:55
Speaker 6: think they were better from green Bay to Baltimore. I
1:04:58
Speaker 6: don't think that the Baltimore and green Bay game. So
1:05:00
Speaker 6: did they get they weren't better in the Baltimore or
1:05:02
Speaker 6: Green Bacon and they were against Miami Or.
1:05:04
Speaker 2: Did they get better after Baltimore and after Baltimore, Yes,
1:05:07
Speaker 2: and then they got better after that, Right.
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Speaker 6: But they're getting better, but they got out, but they
1:05:12
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Speaker 5: I can't even I can't figure what was going on.
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1:05:29
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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure people look, people were dying to know
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Speaker 5: Paul Is can get a shot up Hall real quick.
1:06:00
Speaker 5: He's got the two thousand and three Gray Maw hoodie.
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Speaker 5: It's not a hoodie, No, it's a mock. But Bill
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Speaker 5: was seven and two in that only once though, no sleep,
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Speaker 5: Only once did he have the sleeves intac usually cut
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Speaker 5: sleeves on the mock. So you know, I know there's
1:06:17
Speaker 5: a lot of people out there probably wondering, you know,
1:06:19
Speaker 5: Paul all of a sudden, where is this? Where's this
1:06:20
Speaker 5: sweat shure been? For the last five years I've been here,
1:06:22
Speaker 5: I've never seen him in it, and today it is?
1:06:24
Speaker 5: Today it's here.
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Speaker 6: Is there a chance that I haven't won this sweat
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Speaker 6: shirt in five years?
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Speaker 5: I would have probably known. I would have. I would
1:06:30
Speaker 5: have made a mental database for Paul.
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Speaker 1: I hadn't started.
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Speaker 5: Now I didn't know. I didn't know. He's a hoodie guy,
1:06:36
Speaker 5: a maw hoodie guy.
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Speaker 6: Sorry.
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Speaker 2: During the break, you heard some of the two thousand
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Speaker 2: and three sound Otissey Super sequel Super and that's been dropped.
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Speaker 2: You can get that wherever you get your podcast. Part
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Speaker 2: one is out and uh, I from what I understand,
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Speaker 2: I think Bill Belichick is mentioned in it.
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Speaker 1: Nope, no, nothing, No Bill.
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Speaker 5: We do it kind of like Madden does, where like
1:06:59
Speaker 5: we just call him any coach.
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Speaker 1: Okay, the coach of the Patriots.
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Speaker 6: So just to let everybody know, I was part of it.
1:07:05
Speaker 6: I was one of the people. I was one of
1:07:08
Speaker 6: the people that that Mike interviewed. So you know that
1:07:10
Speaker 6: Bill was was involved. You know Bill about it, Keeper
1:07:14
Speaker 6: of the Flame, Paul Parrella.
1:07:16
Speaker 5: You know, Paul was great.
1:07:17
Speaker 6: And I also mentioned Tom Brady at times. What I did.
1:07:22
Speaker 5: On Branch Uh. Yeah, No, it was a you know,
1:07:24
Speaker 5: it's it's it's oh one. So much happened in two
1:07:26
Speaker 5: thousand and one and O three was you know, had
1:07:28
Speaker 5: a lot of good stuff, but it was not going
1:07:30
Speaker 5: to be oh one. But I mean the Rodney thing
1:07:33
Speaker 5: and the lawyer Malloy, that was, you know, the big
1:07:34
Speaker 5: piece at the start, which I was excited talking to
1:07:37
Speaker 5: Peoli just like, did you guys kind of realize that
1:07:40
Speaker 5: you were doubling up a little bit, like you know,
1:07:42
Speaker 5: it was might come into like a conflict, and you
1:07:44
Speaker 5: know at that point he said, no, we just you know,
1:07:46
Speaker 5: we were just trying to get good players. We really
1:07:48
Speaker 5: liked Rodney we thought maybe we could work it out,
1:07:50
Speaker 5: and obviously didn't work out. You know, Paul I thought
1:07:52
Speaker 5: I had a great quote too. He was like, I
1:07:53
Speaker 5: still don't know why why a lawyer had to go.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think Bruski what he had to say about
1:07:59
Speaker 2: what Bill was thinking, you know, maybe I could use
1:08:01
Speaker 2: them both.
1:08:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, well and then that's a kind of a precursor
1:08:03
Speaker 5: to what we see now.
1:08:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but Bruskie saying it was kind of a mess.
1:08:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Well, that's what I thought was funny, is
1:08:09
Speaker 5: because he's talking, you know, I don't know, Bill's trying
1:08:11
Speaker 5: to sell us on this like too too strong safety thing,
1:08:14
Speaker 5: and it's like, this is where we're at now like that,
1:08:16
Speaker 5: you know, even at that point in O three, he
1:08:18
Speaker 5: was kind of looking at how can we kind of
1:08:20
Speaker 5: blend the linebackers, second level strong safety, get a little more.
1:08:23
Speaker 1: The big nickel, the big nickel.
1:08:25
Speaker 5: So now it was it was fun. You know, I
1:08:27
Speaker 5: wish there was there were more great stories. There were
1:08:29
Speaker 5: definitely some good ones, but no, it wasn't as crazy
1:08:31
Speaker 5: as oh one, I mean, no one between. Sorry, No,
1:08:35
Speaker 5: it's very good. Part one's out Part two next week,
1:08:38
Speaker 5: so that'll be the regular season and then the playoffs
1:08:41
Speaker 5: next week.
1:08:41
Speaker 1: So all right again eight five five pass five hundred
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Speaker 1: is the ace ticket hout line. Let's get back to
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Speaker 1: the phones. Eric is in New Jersey. What's up, Eric?
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Speaker 27: Hey, it's got two points one uh one observation that
1:08:57
Speaker 27: I made and it kind of goes back to the
1:08:58
Speaker 27: you know, the philospy kind.
1:08:59
Speaker 28: Of here where we know drafting corners.
1:09:02
Speaker 16: When you look around, you know, the teams that the
1:09:04
Speaker 16: play in the ANC.
1:09:05
Speaker 28: Championship minus the Darius need, none of these teams have
1:09:09
Speaker 28: you know, I wouldn't say that their cornerback group or
1:09:12
Speaker 28: the secondary is a top tier. And like I know,
1:09:14
Speaker 28: maybe the philosophy you know, as opposed to better having
1:09:17
Speaker 28: pass rushers, as opposed to pay you know, having top
1:09:20
Speaker 28: tier you know, secondary players.
1:09:22
Speaker 16: And then just second thing.
1:09:24
Speaker 6: Just real quick, I would disagree with you in terms
1:09:27
Speaker 6: of the a f C. I would agree with you
1:09:28
Speaker 6: in the NFC. Both secondaries on Sunday I don't think
1:09:32
Speaker 6: are very good.
1:09:34
Speaker 1: But Hamilton's pretty good for Baltimore.
1:09:38
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's an excellent He's an excellent safety. Marlin Humphrey
1:09:41
Speaker 6: is an excellent corner. Trent McDuffie is an All Pro corner. Yep,
1:09:45
Speaker 6: as well as Sneid that the secondaries of Baltimore's in
1:09:48
Speaker 6: Kansas City are very very good. Now. Now, the other
1:09:52
Speaker 6: the other side is he's right, Eric's right about San
1:09:55
Speaker 6: Francisco and in Detroit. I think both have to cover
1:09:58
Speaker 6: for their secondaries.
1:10:00
Speaker 28: Because it's like, I just look at the success.
1:10:03
Speaker 27: You know, obviously they haven't won a Super Bowl, you know,
1:10:04
Speaker 27: as recently, but you know they they constantly put a
1:10:07
Speaker 27: good team out there. And again there's not much, you know,
1:10:10
Speaker 27: as opposed to the second area.
1:10:12
Speaker 6: You know, it was also a one game.
1:10:15
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, I mean obviously the you know, the game
1:10:18
Speaker 12: did state.
1:10:18
Speaker 4: But you look at it.
1:10:20
Speaker 28: I look at it from the I'm saying it from the.
1:10:21
Speaker 4: Aspect of the playmakers.
1:10:23
Speaker 27: You need to see the play with Brandon and I
1:10:24
Speaker 27: used me where if And again you look at Detroit
1:10:27
Speaker 27: where they didn't have a guy that can catch a
1:10:28
Speaker 27: ball in a clutch moment. When you have guys that
1:10:30
Speaker 27: you have Debo Kittle, you have these guys step up,
1:10:33
Speaker 27: where as opposed to.
1:10:34
Speaker 16: The premier where the premier.
1:10:36
Speaker 27: Talent is on the offense, where I'd rather have the playmakers,
1:10:39
Speaker 27: Like going into this draft, I'm big on the Harrison
1:10:41
Speaker 27: Tennek Combo, you know, the you know, the medical workout
1:10:44
Speaker 27: as opposed to looking at these teams that want to
1:10:46
Speaker 27: build from the line. Because I look back at the Browns,
1:10:49
Speaker 27: you look at it. They had at one point, Alis, Max,
1:10:51
Speaker 27: Joe Bettino and Joe Thomas.
1:10:53
Speaker 28: You didn't win anything. So again, it's just the philosophies.
1:10:56
Speaker 27: I'm curious out of how this uh, this regime takes
1:10:59
Speaker 27: it forward.
1:10:59
Speaker 12: And I'll take off the line.
1:11:00
Speaker 1: Thank all right, thanks Eric.
1:11:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think Devin, you know, hinted at
1:11:03
Speaker 5: a little bit. There's a ton of tackles in this class.
1:11:05
Speaker 5: So it's I mean, it's it's just what's your philosophy?
1:11:08
Speaker 5: You know, do you do you take one of the
1:11:10
Speaker 5: high pick ones and you know, assume he's gonna be
1:11:12
Speaker 5: really good or I mean I hear everything he's saying,
1:11:15
Speaker 5: and it's you know, it's I've always kind of like
1:11:17
Speaker 5: leaned towards the side, at least on the defensive side.
1:11:20
Speaker 1: Of the ball that if you've got a really good.
1:11:21
Speaker 5: Front seven, and I think that's probably influenced by the
1:11:23
Speaker 5: early Patriots, where you know, you'd have guys in the
1:11:26
Speaker 5: secondary going down, but you'd still have Seymour and Vrabel
1:11:29
Speaker 5: and McGinnis up front, and it never really seemed to matter.
1:11:31
Speaker 5: Maybe that's flawed thinking, but I think at this stage
1:11:35
Speaker 5: you need athletes in the secondary. Like I think the
1:11:37
Speaker 5: game has changed too much since that time that like,
1:11:39
Speaker 5: well the game, a guy like christianzalez Is is kind
1:11:41
Speaker 5: of vital, just a mover, somebody who's quick and you know,
1:11:44
Speaker 5: can cover a lot of space.
1:11:45
Speaker 2: And you just have to have those key playmakers that
1:11:49
Speaker 2: you can keep because even offensive linemen move around. You know,
1:11:53
Speaker 2: back in the day, you'd have your five you know,
1:11:57
Speaker 2: pillars of granite or whatever, and they would be there
1:11:59
Speaker 2: for seven years, you know, and your line would never change.
1:12:03
Speaker 2: Even now there's the market for guards, you know, you
1:12:08
Speaker 2: lose them. So you have to have you know, your
1:12:11
Speaker 2: key guys. Quarterback being of course one of them. Where
1:12:14
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. You know, you can like Paul you know,
1:12:18
Speaker 2: likes to do. You can swap these guys in and
1:12:20
Speaker 2: out because your other guys are really good.
1:12:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can't, like there has to be you know,
1:12:26
Speaker 6: some modicum of attention patriot Like you can't do what
1:12:29
Speaker 6: the Patriots did this year and completely ignore it. Right,
1:12:34
Speaker 6: But if you know I don't think. You know, Kansas City,
1:12:37
Speaker 6: you know Joe Toney, all pro guard, you know, one
1:12:40
Speaker 6: of the best in the business. He's out. They scored
1:12:42
Speaker 6: the first three times they got the ball, and I
1:12:45
Speaker 6: understand they only scored seventeen points, but I mean, let's
1:12:47
Speaker 6: face it, they didn't miss Joe Toney. You can you
1:12:50
Speaker 6: don't have to have like the best player at every
1:12:54
Speaker 6: spot on the offensive line, but you just can't have
1:12:57
Speaker 6: retread never worse like the Patriots tried to do it
1:13:00
Speaker 6: with this year. I mean, trading for guys who had
1:13:02
Speaker 6: never played, you know, on an emergency basis before the
1:13:06
Speaker 6: start of the season.
1:13:07
Speaker 2: They I think the key for the offensive line is coaching,
1:13:11
Speaker 2: you know, get them coached up, communication, cohesion, playing together.
1:13:18
Speaker 2: I think that's just as important.
1:13:20
Speaker 5: They playing together is important, Yeah, for sure. But I mean,
1:13:23
Speaker 5: I think to Paul's point, the Patriots has just gotten
1:13:25
Speaker 5: so far beyond, like they just have nothing in the
1:13:27
Speaker 5: pipeline and you look at the free agents and the
1:13:30
Speaker 5: tackle class and it's you know, it's it's tough. I mean,
1:13:32
Speaker 5: you're not gonna go rebuild your tackles and free I mean,
1:13:34
Speaker 5: they maybe could do it, and you know, maybe they
1:13:36
Speaker 5: can at least secure one spot. But it feels like
1:13:38
Speaker 5: they got Yeah. I said this last year. They gotta
1:13:40
Speaker 5: get a couple of tackles and.
1:13:41
Speaker 1: They have a little depth at guard.
1:13:43
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, well I don't know.
1:13:44
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe, but they've certainly drafted to guard.
1:13:47
Speaker 6: But I was gonna I'm just gonna say, I like
1:13:50
Speaker 6: what their their thought was in the draft last year
1:13:52
Speaker 6: as opposed to the year before. Right, we're gonna take
1:13:54
Speaker 6: three guys on Day three and we'll probably get one
1:13:58
Speaker 6: that can play, you know, who knows, maybe we'll hit
1:14:01
Speaker 6: on two. But the first round pick for a guard.
1:14:06
Speaker 5: Well, I ain't going there again.
1:14:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless he's to me, unless he's like John Hannah,
1:14:11
Speaker 2: then even get a guard later.
1:14:13
Speaker 6: Yeah, even then I'll wait.
1:14:14
Speaker 5: No, I mean, I I can be talked into John Hannah.
1:14:19
Speaker 6: Yeah, because they wont all those titles with him.
1:14:21
Speaker 5: No, I think you need I mean, and I just
1:14:22
Speaker 5: think specific to this team, Like, you know, I love Andrews.
1:14:25
Speaker 5: He's getting a little older. It'd just be great to
1:14:27
Speaker 5: have like a young stud left tackle that you know,
1:14:30
Speaker 5: you feel great about. But it's it's just hard to
1:14:33
Speaker 5: get excited about it when it comes at the expense
1:14:35
Speaker 5: of you know, maybe considering one of the top receivers
1:14:37
Speaker 5: one of the top quarterbacks. And you know, as these
1:14:40
Speaker 5: mock drafts continue to come out, it's like tack tackle, tackle,
1:14:43
Speaker 5: you know, it's like six tackles going.
1:14:45
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, it gets crazy. And I did you
1:14:47
Speaker 6: know that thing that I was telling you guys about.
1:14:49
Speaker 6: I just sort of did a very imperfect exercise just
1:14:52
Speaker 6: sort of looking at the third quarterback taken in a draft,
1:14:58
Speaker 6: and then I did the same thing for tackle and
1:15:00
Speaker 6: wide receiver. Interesting, and you know, like last year is
1:15:04
Speaker 6: a little it's a little soon to say, but like
1:15:08
Speaker 6: the third quarterback in twenty two is Malik Willis. That
1:15:11
Speaker 6: was the third quarterback taken. The third tackle that year
1:15:16
Speaker 6: was Charles Cross. The third wide receiver was Chris Alave.
1:15:22
Speaker 6: So like that, that's just one year. You know, twenty
1:15:25
Speaker 6: one was Trey Lance, Christian Darisaw, Devonte Smith. So you
1:15:29
Speaker 6: can see, like you can you have a better you
1:15:32
Speaker 6: can hit with the third or fourth tackle and the
1:15:35
Speaker 6: third or fourth wide receiver. It's really hard to do
1:15:38
Speaker 6: that with quarterback. Now that's not me telling you you
1:15:41
Speaker 6: need to take a quarterback or you need to ignore quarterback.
1:15:45
Speaker 6: I think it comes down to Fred's thing, where if
1:15:47
Speaker 6: you identify one of these three guys as your favorite
1:15:52
Speaker 6: and you have a chance to take him, I think
1:15:53
Speaker 6: you should take him. You know, let's say that they
1:15:56
Speaker 6: think Jayden Daniels is better than Williams and Drake May right, Yeah,
1:16:03
Speaker 6: then I wouldn't say, well, you can't take him because
1:16:05
Speaker 6: he's the third quarterback taken and there have been you know,
1:16:08
Speaker 6: there's just to be fully transparent. Justin Herbert was the
1:16:12
Speaker 6: third quarterback in twenty twenty, Josh Allen was the third
1:16:15
Speaker 6: quarterback in eighteen. Deshaun Watson was the third quarterback in seventeen.
1:16:20
Speaker 6: So it does happen where the third quarterback turns out
1:16:24
Speaker 6: to be as good or better than, you know, either
1:16:26
Speaker 6: one of the first two. But I think it's more rare.
1:16:29
Speaker 5: Herbert and Allen were more like closer to ten right
1:16:31
Speaker 5: where they lower.
1:16:32
Speaker 6: Herbert was six, Allen was seven, and Deshaun Watson was twelve.
1:16:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, nobody at three, I know, there's just something about.
1:16:39
Speaker 6: Uh No, the only one that was actually taken at
1:16:42
Speaker 6: three was Trey Lance.
1:16:44
Speaker 5: And that just kind of like reeks of we really
1:16:47
Speaker 5: need a quarterback. This is the guy this year. Just
1:16:49
Speaker 5: we have to take them. We don't have a choice.
1:16:51
Speaker 5: We need a quarterback that you know.
1:16:52
Speaker 2: Regardless of that, I know, trust your scouts unless your
1:16:56
Speaker 2: scouts are telling you that Trey Lance is the best.
1:16:58
Speaker 2: But you know, you've got to trust your scouts. You've
1:17:01
Speaker 2: got to trust your board.
1:17:04
Speaker 6: Do you want to get really upset? You know who
1:17:05
Speaker 6: the third wide receiver was taken in twenty nineteen.
1:17:08
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen.
1:17:11
Speaker 2: Jefferson, that's right, Deebo Samuel, Oh.
1:17:14
Speaker 6: Yeah, Justin Jefferson was actually the fifth wide receiver taken
1:17:17
Speaker 6: in his class twenty two overall, but Ceedee Lamb was
1:17:21
Speaker 6: the third one, right, So.
1:17:23
Speaker 5: Then you start getting into well, what about like the
1:17:25
Speaker 5: sixth wide receiver? You know there, I actually.
1:17:28
Speaker 6: Wrote Justin Jefferson down just because he was so so good.
1:17:33
Speaker 6: I did the same thing with DeAndre Hopkins the year
1:17:37
Speaker 6: that was thirteen. Taevon Austin was the first one taken
1:17:40
Speaker 6: and cord Aarrol Patterson was the third one taken, but
1:17:44
Speaker 6: DeAndre Hopkins was taking two spots ahead. He was the
1:17:46
Speaker 6: second one, but at twenty seven. Yeah, you know what
1:17:50
Speaker 6: I mean. So you can get a good player at
1:17:53
Speaker 6: those other positions. I think the chances of you getting
1:17:56
Speaker 6: that caliber player at quarterback of much smaller.
1:17:59
Speaker 1: Don't overthink it.
1:18:01
Speaker 2: Travis in West Virginia. Just the three Bulls today, You
1:18:04
Speaker 2: got that right, right. If Belichick was the coach of
1:18:07
Speaker 2: the Ravens, I think they would have beaten the Chiefs.
1:18:09
Speaker 2: Why because they Flowers would have been benched after the
1:18:12
Speaker 2: taunting penalty. It would not have been in the game
1:18:14
Speaker 2: to fumble.
1:18:15
Speaker 5: Well, that's good.
1:18:16
Speaker 1: Does have a point there.
1:18:18
Speaker 5: I felt bad for the Flowers. I mean, we spent
1:18:20
Speaker 5: so much time kind of focused in talking about him
1:18:22
Speaker 5: the last year. I mean the BC thing, and you
1:18:24
Speaker 5: know he obviously we I mean, Evan loved him, and
1:18:26
Speaker 5: you know, it just didn't to see like so many
1:18:28
Speaker 5: like make a huge play and then make a huge
1:18:30
Speaker 5: mistake and you know it's just tough.
1:18:33
Speaker 6: I mean, he's a good player and he'll learn from it.
1:18:36
Speaker 6: I made the point about, like I don't think the
1:18:38
Speaker 6: players for the Lions, players in particular, are taking enough heat.
1:18:42
Speaker 6: And you know, you know the receivers that played for
1:18:46
Speaker 6: the Patriots always say Bill always said, don't reach the
1:18:48
Speaker 6: ball out and I've heard Bill say that a million times.
1:18:51
Speaker 6: I know the other coaches do the same thing. But
1:18:56
Speaker 6: the Patriots lately have had those kinds of things happen
1:18:59
Speaker 6: to them, right. I know Bill is going over it.
1:19:02
Speaker 6: I met training camp every day for twenty four years.
1:19:05
Speaker 6: I know Bill goes over that. I know Bill talks
1:19:07
Speaker 6: about this stuff. But the players sometimes do dumb things. Yeah,
1:19:11
Speaker 6: and they've had they had h I think it happened
1:19:15
Speaker 6: twice and each of once in each to the last
1:19:17
Speaker 6: two years, but I can't remember it now where they
1:19:19
Speaker 6: fumbled near the goal line and the ball went out
1:19:21
Speaker 6: of bounds. Obviously Bill is always telling these guys, don't
1:19:27
Speaker 6: do this, don't do that, But that doesn't mean that
1:19:30
Speaker 6: the players do it.
1:19:32
Speaker 5: Is that anywhere near the goal line or I don't
1:19:34
Speaker 5: know why. I always thought it was just near the
1:19:35
Speaker 5: sidelines because if they fumble it out of the end
1:19:37
Speaker 5: zone that way.
1:19:38
Speaker 1: But you know it's even in the.
1:19:41
Speaker 6: Don't extend the ball because if you lose it, the
1:19:43
Speaker 6: risk is too great, right.
1:19:44
Speaker 5: For even like the quarterback on like a oh over
1:19:47
Speaker 5: the top come well.
1:19:48
Speaker 6: That would be like on a fourth down or something
1:19:50
Speaker 6: like that. That Like it's situational.
1:19:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan and Maine. As someone that's always cheering against
1:19:56
Speaker 2: Kansas City, I came to the conclusion this weekend on
1:19:59
Speaker 2: how people felt about the Patriots during the Brady era.
1:20:02
Speaker 2: Nobody could stop the Brady Gronk duo, and nobody can
1:20:04
Speaker 2: stop Mahomes Kelsey. Like you said, Fred, I think it's
1:20:07
Speaker 2: just too soon for us. At least we can say
1:20:09
Speaker 2: that Brady knocked him out in both the AC Championship
1:20:12
Speaker 2: and Super Bowl.
1:20:13
Speaker 1: Great show.
1:20:14
Speaker 2: Always enjoy listening, especially in the offseason when there's no
1:20:16
Speaker 2: other football going on Spi and Fresno. I'm rooting for
1:20:20
Speaker 2: Case over the Niners for a petty and senseless reason.
1:20:24
Speaker 2: I don't want Bart's net neutral quarterback idea to gain
1:20:28
Speaker 2: any steam, as it would if Purty won.
1:20:30
Speaker 6: That's a better reason than the hate of Kansas City.
1:20:35
Speaker 2: I want another year to go by without support for
1:20:37
Speaker 2: the idea that you don't need a great quarterback, leaving
1:20:40
Speaker 2: the nut Knicks to rationalize another San Francisco Super Bowl
1:20:43
Speaker 2: loss because they put an average player at the most
1:20:46
Speaker 2: important position.
1:20:48
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a pretty good juxtaposition between the Chiefs
1:20:50
Speaker 5: offense and the Niners offense. I mean, not totally, because
1:20:53
Speaker 5: the Chiefs have Travis Kelcey too, but you know just
1:20:56
Speaker 5: what Mahomes is able to do without the complete all
1:20:59
Speaker 5: star team around him. That to me is, you know,
1:21:01
Speaker 5: proven a lot about who he is as a player.
1:21:03
Speaker 27: Right.
1:21:04
Speaker 6: No one would compare any of the other players, like
1:21:07
Speaker 6: the only comparison is Kelsey and Kittle. No one would
1:21:10
Speaker 6: compare Pacheco to McCaffrey. No one would compare Rashi Rice
1:21:14
Speaker 6: to Deebo or Ayuk.
1:21:17
Speaker 1: Really now, ye Ken Wrights.
1:21:20
Speaker 2: In as much as I root against the Chiefs, I
1:21:22
Speaker 2: have to say I love Mahomes. He's just on a
1:21:24
Speaker 2: different level and a joy to watch. But interestingly enough,
1:21:27
Speaker 2: at the end of Super Bowl fifty five, when Brady
1:21:30
Speaker 2: was consoling Mahomes, Tony Romo said, Mahomes may one day
1:21:33
Speaker 2: match or surpass Brady's seven Super Bowls, but Brady will
1:21:36
Speaker 2: have always the this head to head matchup.
1:21:40
Speaker 6: Yep.
1:21:41
Speaker 1: Very prescient, don't you.
1:21:42
Speaker 6: Think too, Because I count the AFC Championship game too, Yeah,
1:21:48
Speaker 6: you know. And and he'll always have the head to
1:21:50
Speaker 6: head as a tiebreaker if if it comes to that. Now,
1:21:54
Speaker 6: I don't think that Mahomes will win seven titles. I
1:21:58
Speaker 6: don't think that will happen. I don't look at it
1:22:01
Speaker 6: that way either. You know, Fred and I talk about
1:22:03
Speaker 6: this all the time. We both love John Elway. I don't.
1:22:07
Speaker 6: I don't rate players ability based on how many titles
1:22:10
Speaker 6: they won. Now, I don't think it's it's inarguable that
1:22:13
Speaker 6: Tom Brady is the most accomplished player to ever play.
1:22:17
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean he's better than everybody, you know what
1:22:21
Speaker 6: I mean. I think that reasonable minds can analyze and
1:22:24
Speaker 6: differ and agree and whatever. But I don't think that
1:22:28
Speaker 6: Mahomes necessarily has to win seven titles to be in
1:22:32
Speaker 6: the conversation. Watch watching Tom. Do you think that he
1:22:35
Speaker 6: does things for his team that Brady used to do
1:22:37
Speaker 6: for his And I think they're pretty They're pretty similar players.
1:22:41
Speaker 6: They do it in different ways, but they the bottom
1:22:44
Speaker 6: line is very similar.
1:22:45
Speaker 1: Let's get to the back to the phones. Eldred's in
1:22:47
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Hey, Aldred, Hey don't you doing today? All right?
1:22:54
Speaker 12: Yeah? I don't know, curious little curious.
1:22:59
Speaker 1: Party.
1:23:00
Speaker 12: I take party last year and this year over what
1:23:02
Speaker 12: we had for the last three years.
1:23:04
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
1:23:06
Speaker 12: You know you know back you said he's he's a
1:23:09
Speaker 12: systematic or he just whatever officially, But that dude show
1:23:14
Speaker 12: me all kind of play making abilities, you know, running in, throwing.
1:23:18
Speaker 9: It so.
1:23:20
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think anybody would argue that they wouldn't
1:23:23
Speaker 6: take pretty well, maybe Evan would.
1:23:26
Speaker 12: Yeah, but I got a question for you, what's the
1:23:30
Speaker 12: hold up with the o C and why it's dragon
1:23:33
Speaker 12: so long and they don't, you know, they're not trying
1:23:37
Speaker 12: to get to put a plan in place or what.
1:23:39
Speaker 6: Well, I think they're having a hard time, yeah, having
1:23:41
Speaker 6: a hard time getting someone who's having the same interest.
1:23:47
Speaker 5: I mean, they're doing the right things, They're interviewing the
1:23:48
Speaker 5: right kind of people, I think, I think so, you know,
1:23:50
Speaker 5: it's just there's not a big market right now. And
1:23:53
Speaker 5: like we talked about at the top, he thought there'd
1:23:54
Speaker 5: be an experienced kind of guy that can take over
1:23:56
Speaker 5: the offense. But it's easier said than done, I think
1:23:58
Speaker 5: at this point. And yeah, it seems like signs are
1:24:01
Speaker 5: pointing Nick Keyley, I'm waiting to hear if that's gonna
1:24:03
Speaker 5: drop in the next day or so.
1:24:05
Speaker 12: Yeah, Okay, I'm hoping it ain't Troy Brown.
1:24:08
Speaker 6: Ah, No, it's not gonna be Troy Brown.
1:24:11
Speaker 1: All right, thanks, Aldred. Let's go to Adam in California.
1:24:16
Speaker 2: Hey Adam, Hello, Hello, Hey guys.
1:24:22
Speaker 9: Question, assuming Phil doesn't get a job I mean, I
1:24:26
Speaker 9: know Ben Johnson just decided to stay in Detroit.
1:24:30
Speaker 6: I was not aware of that.
1:24:31
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that. Is that breaking news.
1:24:34
Speaker 12: I believe?
1:24:34
Speaker 9: So yeah, I just I just.
1:24:35
Speaker 7: Heard it on callin cower Car or something like that.
1:24:39
Speaker 6: Okay, I did not. I thought there was a chance
1:24:41
Speaker 6: of that based on some things I heard yesterday, but
1:24:44
Speaker 6: I hadn't heard that. So that's, Uh, that's good news
1:24:46
Speaker 6: for the Patriots because I think that could shake that
1:24:49
Speaker 6: other guy free that Taylor is it Inkstrom? Inkstrom Inkstrom?
1:24:53
Speaker 6: He's the passing game coordinator fred for Detroit, and a
1:24:56
Speaker 6: lot of people felt like he would ascend to the
1:24:59
Speaker 6: coordinator job for Ben Johnson if Ben Johnson left and
1:25:02
Speaker 6: just and went to Washington.
1:25:03
Speaker 2: Just curure, is there anyone from the forty nine ers
1:25:05
Speaker 2: that they might be looking at that they're waiting on
1:25:09
Speaker 2: the Patriots? Not their row Sea obviously, but like because
1:25:13
Speaker 2: that's Shannon, Yeah, but like someone under him, I don't
1:25:16
Speaker 2: know anything.
1:25:17
Speaker 6: What's the kobiak Oh?
1:25:21
Speaker 1: Is he from the forty nine ers? Yeah?
1:25:22
Speaker 6: Isn't he a forty nineers passing game coordinator? Okay, so
1:25:25
Speaker 6: he's my guy?
1:25:25
Speaker 1: So you need to wait? Yeah?
1:25:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tom Pelsaro said he informed the Seahawks and commanders
1:25:30
Speaker 5: he's staying in Detroit.
1:25:31
Speaker 6: Oh. So that's really good news for the Lions because
1:25:34
Speaker 6: I worried about the Philadelphia effect with Detroit if they
1:25:39
Speaker 6: lost him.
1:25:40
Speaker 2: So now does that does Bill Belichick have second thoughts
1:25:43
Speaker 2: about Washington? Or does Washington have second thoughts about Bill?
1:25:47
Speaker 6: Oh? No, No, Washington has no interest in Bill.
1:25:49
Speaker 1: How do you know?
1:25:50
Speaker 6: Because I talked to people?
1:25:51
Speaker 2: Oh okay, sources, Yeah, he knows Harris.
1:25:56
Speaker 6: I don't never. I wouldn't know him if he fell
1:25:58
Speaker 6: on me. But I have talked to people that told
1:26:00
Speaker 6: me that they have no interest in Bill Belichick.
1:26:02
Speaker 9: Okay, all right, Just my question, guys, do you think
1:26:08
Speaker 9: if Bill doesn't get hired and ultimately maybe the Patriots
1:26:11
Speaker 9: bring McDaniels back they dropped Marvin Harrison and you know,
1:26:15
Speaker 9: try to run it back with mac.
1:26:18
Speaker 1: Now, I I don't know.
1:26:21
Speaker 2: I mean, I know a lot of people have talked
1:26:23
Speaker 2: about Josh McDaniels coming back, but I don't think that's
1:26:27
Speaker 2: gonna happen.
1:26:28
Speaker 1: I really don't. I don't think.
1:26:30
Speaker 5: I mean, signs don't seem to be pointing that way.
1:26:31
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're wasting a lot of time if if
1:26:35
Speaker 2: you're going to bring back Josh McDaniels.
1:26:37
Speaker 1: Right, you know.
1:26:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, So all right, Adam, thanks for the call. Let's
1:26:43
Speaker 2: go to Michelle in South Carolina. I hay Michelle, guys.
1:26:48
Speaker 7: Hi, Hello, yeah, hi, good good morning.
1:26:54
Speaker 28: After this.
1:26:55
Speaker 7: Yeah, so some some some of.
1:27:01
Speaker 29: The radio people are saying this is a problem for
1:27:05
Speaker 29: the Patriots for Belichick not getting a job because now
1:27:13
Speaker 29: they have all the all the coaches still with the Patriots.
1:27:19
Speaker 7: But I don't understand that.
1:27:20
Speaker 29: Because why the Patriots have to keep and give them.
1:27:26
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me answer your question. If if
1:27:29
Speaker 2: some of these coaches are under contract with the Patriots,
1:27:34
Speaker 2: you can't just you don't want to just release them,
1:27:37
Speaker 2: because then you have to pay them, you know, uh,
1:27:40
Speaker 2: until they find a job. If Bill got a job
1:27:42
Speaker 2: and then they went with him, then you wouldn't have
1:27:44
Speaker 2: to pay them.
1:27:45
Speaker 1: Because now they've.
1:27:46
Speaker 2: Got a new job. So it always comes down the money, Michelle.
1:27:50
Speaker 2: Whenever you can't figure something out, it always comes down
1:27:54
Speaker 2: to the money.
1:27:56
Speaker 29: I wasn't thinking about that. I thought they could just
1:27:58
Speaker 29: make something work and get rid of them.
1:28:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can fire them, but then you have to
1:28:02
Speaker 2: pay him because they have contracts.
1:28:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well, I guess.
1:28:06
Speaker 29: It would depend on the contracts, right. I don't know
1:28:08
Speaker 29: anything about ther money, but yeah, I can't imagine their
1:28:12
Speaker 29: contracts is so big.
1:28:13
Speaker 2: No, but it's enough, you know, Like I'm sure that
1:28:16
Speaker 2: there's a budget for coaching, and it's a lot smaller
1:28:19
Speaker 2: than the budget for players, you know, right, so might
1:28:23
Speaker 2: have got a little bigger now that Bill's not here,
1:28:25
Speaker 2: you know, so there's more to spend on the other guys.
1:28:28
Speaker 2: But all right, thanks for the call, Michelle, appreciate it.
1:28:31
Speaker 2: Let's go down to Tennessee. Melvin's there.
1:28:33
Speaker 1: What's up? Melvin?
1:28:35
Speaker 13: Going on?
1:28:37
Speaker 12: Right?
1:28:38
Speaker 13: Quick?
1:28:38
Speaker 27: Quick?
1:28:39
Speaker 13: One? Do you all think that Chris Jones from Kansas
1:28:43
Speaker 13: City is a Hall of Famer? And if so, well,
1:28:49
Speaker 13: I guess separate how part you think Christian Barmar is
1:28:52
Speaker 13: from him? Right now?
1:28:53
Speaker 2: I would say no, I don't think he is, and
1:28:56
Speaker 2: right now Barmore isn't either, But we'll see. I mean,
1:29:00
Speaker 2: he's got to Barmore's got to get a little bit
1:29:03
Speaker 2: better and do it for seven.
1:29:06
Speaker 6: I would say Chris Jones is a Hall of Famer
1:29:08
Speaker 6: and his light years away from Barmore. I mean, if
1:29:11
Speaker 6: Barmore starts to do some of the stuff with versatility
1:29:17
Speaker 6: inside outside, disrupting games, making Pro Bowls and all pro teams,
1:29:23
Speaker 6: then that's different. Yeah, I mean we haven't seen that year.
1:29:26
Speaker 1: The surface.
1:29:26
Speaker 5: I mean Chris Jones is that he can rush from anywhere.
1:29:29
Speaker 5: You know, he saw Barmore take some strides this year.
1:29:32
Speaker 5: But I think he's still got a long way to
1:29:34
Speaker 5: go before.
1:29:34
Speaker 6: He's I think Chris Jones and Aaron Donald, I think
1:29:39
Speaker 6: he's that disruptive. I think Aaron Donald's better and did
1:29:41
Speaker 6: it for longer, but Chris Jones is he's good.
1:29:45
Speaker 1: Ridiculously, I don't think I think he is.
1:29:48
Speaker 6: I just look at the best players in the game
1:29:51
Speaker 6: when they played, like he's to me a top ten
1:29:53
Speaker 6: player when he plays.
1:29:54
Speaker 5: And he's been the one constant on that defense. You know,
1:29:56
Speaker 5: it's I mean all kind of turned over around him.
1:29:58
Speaker 5: He's just continues to do what you need out of
1:30:02
Speaker 5: any defense, and that is getting out.
1:30:03
Speaker 6: To think of the baseball stuff ready that had to
1:30:06
Speaker 6: get you upset?
1:30:07
Speaker 1: What who got in?
1:30:09
Speaker 6: Yeah?
1:30:09
Speaker 1: Yeahous it is ridiculous.
1:30:11
Speaker 5: Todd helped him little. Uh So. Tom Brady was was
1:30:14
Speaker 5: on Pat McFee day and he confirmed he is going
1:30:17
Speaker 5: to call the Super Bowl in twenty twenty five for
1:30:19
Speaker 5: Fox Really Little Breaking.
1:30:21
Speaker 1: He confirmed that confirmed it so in the booth, in
1:30:24
Speaker 1: the move, not in the studio.
1:30:27
Speaker 5: I mean, I.
1:30:29
Speaker 6: Guess people like I told you, I've talked to people
1:30:32
Speaker 6: from Fox and they are convinced that not only he
1:30:37
Speaker 6: will do it, but he will be good at it
1:30:38
Speaker 6: because he wants to learn and he's always asking questions.
1:30:41
Speaker 2: I listen, I anything that Tom Brady wants to do
1:30:45
Speaker 2: puts his mind to, I'm sure he will hit.
1:30:47
Speaker 1: It out of the ball play.
1:30:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:30:49
Speaker 6: My concern, My thing is whether or not whether or
1:30:52
Speaker 6: not he'll be forthcoming. Like I know that he can
1:30:56
Speaker 6: try to do it, and like Fred said, he'll do
1:30:59
Speaker 6: it because he's maniacal, But will he be willing to
1:31:03
Speaker 6: call out the players?
1:31:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, when he needs to.
1:31:06
Speaker 6: I'm not talking about ripping everybody for the sake of
1:31:08
Speaker 6: ripping people, right.
1:31:09
Speaker 1: But like, like he was a bad play and that
1:31:12
Speaker 1: guy did it, Like.
1:31:12
Speaker 6: He seems to be able to do that with the
1:31:14
Speaker 6: state of the game, like the play, Yeah, because these
1:31:17
Speaker 6: guys are nowhere near as good as he was. Yeah yeah, yeah,
1:31:19
Speaker 6: you know, he tells us all the time, But will
1:31:22
Speaker 6: he do that when he's actually talking about the games
1:31:25
Speaker 6: every week.
1:31:26
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how about Burke. You know
1:31:29
Speaker 2: Burkhart is their number one, right? How about him? Bill
1:31:33
Speaker 2: and Tom in the same booth, three man booth?
1:31:36
Speaker 6: No interest in that?
1:31:37
Speaker 1: You have no interest? What's wrong with you? I think
1:31:40
Speaker 1: that would be unbelievably fascinating? Are you kidding me?
1:31:45
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I just don't think
1:31:47
Speaker 6: that I was to say.
1:31:48
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel has something to say. I would
1:31:50
Speaker 5: be exciting.
1:31:50
Speaker 1: I'm a little skeptical he does.
1:31:52
Speaker 5: I'm a little skeptical about Brady though. I mean, and
1:31:54
Speaker 5: I agree with you, guys will probably work out it
1:31:56
Speaker 5: and get better. But I just it's hard to like
1:31:58
Speaker 5: take the Tom Brady out of it, Like I like
1:32:00
Speaker 5: Greg Olsen because I don't care who Greg Olsen. He
1:32:02
Speaker 5: just talks and gives insight and you know, but I
1:32:05
Speaker 5: just it's gonna be hard to not listen to this
1:32:07
Speaker 5: and be like, it's Brady Brady's talking right now, like
1:32:09
Speaker 5: Brady's giving his pay. I don't know, there's there's something weird.
1:32:11
Speaker 6: About it, and it'll be interesting.
1:32:13
Speaker 5: I've always just thought he was the one thing. I
1:32:14
Speaker 5: don't think he's great at as being an actor, like
1:32:16
Speaker 5: I just think, like you know, and he's kind of
1:32:17
Speaker 5: stilted sometimes on camera, and I don't know, I'm I
1:32:20
Speaker 5: I'm sure he'll be he'll work at it.
1:32:22
Speaker 6: So that's my Mike summed up my fear. I don't
1:32:25
Speaker 6: think he's got that personality, and I don't think Bill
1:32:27
Speaker 6: has the person.
1:32:28
Speaker 2: So before the Super Bowl, Kevin Berger, Tom, you've been
1:32:30
Speaker 2: in a lot of these what are these players thinking
1:32:32
Speaker 2: right now?
1:32:33
Speaker 6: It's about honor, your family's honor. So the other thing too,
1:32:39
Speaker 6: is and I know this is coming, like to Fred's point,
1:32:41
Speaker 6: like he'll throw this back in my face. I know
1:32:43
Speaker 6: when it happens, he's gonna be like, you know, that's
1:32:47
Speaker 6: a good throw and they're down to pick up the
1:32:48
Speaker 6: first time, did you guys here, Brady, he's so good,
1:32:53
Speaker 6: so refreshing, like I meang Golson Okay, Greg Olsen is
1:32:59
Speaker 6: perfect fine, yep, Okay. I think he I think he
1:33:03
Speaker 6: does a good job of analyzing the game. He doesn't
1:33:06
Speaker 6: say a lot of stupid stuff.
1:33:08
Speaker 1: And people think they think he's the.
1:33:10
Speaker 6: Greatest analyte who's ever come around, because it's not fit
1:33:15
Speaker 6: and I agree, it's not.
1:33:16
Speaker 5: He's good.
1:33:17
Speaker 6: He's good. I think he does a good job and
1:33:19
Speaker 6: it's not fair that he's going to be cast aside
1:33:22
Speaker 6: for Brady. I get it. But now because of that,
1:33:26
Speaker 6: everybody thinks he's the great. It's just like when Romo,
1:33:29
Speaker 6: you know, predicted a couple of plays before they happened
1:33:31
Speaker 6: his first year. Now everybody hates Romo. He's doing the
1:33:35
Speaker 6: same stuff.
1:33:36
Speaker 5: Right, I mean, I just you never get it. But
1:33:39
Speaker 5: but your Bill thing, Like if you could have Bill
1:33:41
Speaker 5: Belichick be like, here's what just happened on that play and.
1:33:44
Speaker 6: Like and everybody and everybody will lose their minds, Like
1:33:50
Speaker 6: did you hear him talk about that trap block? Oh,
1:33:53
Speaker 6: he just sees the game in a different way, like,
1:33:56
Speaker 6: and Evan will be there like everybody else be.
1:34:00
Speaker 1: Like the guy, the guy is brilliant, And of.
1:34:03
Speaker 6: Course he's brilliant, but no one cares.
1:34:05
Speaker 12: No.
1:34:05
Speaker 6: But I think he We're not looking for brilliant out
1:34:07
Speaker 6: of our color animal.
1:34:08
Speaker 2: But I think he would figure out what works in
1:34:11
Speaker 2: the booth and yeah, I I you know, I don't
1:34:14
Speaker 2: think he would just like, you know, let's talk about
1:34:16
Speaker 2: the origin of the three four defense. I think he
1:34:19
Speaker 2: would give you stuff that like is really enlightening and
1:34:24
Speaker 2: in a different way.
1:34:25
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna think. I'm just gonna be and Fred
1:34:30
Speaker 6: always makes fun of me for this, like things that
1:34:31
Speaker 6: haven't happened or whatever. I'll create the strong I'm going
1:34:34
Speaker 6: to tell you that you're going to be right, that
1:34:37
Speaker 6: that's the way it's going to be perceived. Okay, I'm
1:34:40
Speaker 6: just going to tell you that it's going to be.
1:34:41
Speaker 1: He's already setting it up no matter what happens.
1:34:43
Speaker 6: No, because if he's really good, I'll tell you you
1:34:45
Speaker 6: know what. I didn't see it coming, but he was
1:34:47
Speaker 6: really good. Okay, but I'll guarantee you that that's going
1:34:50
Speaker 6: to be the perception show for the perception is going
1:34:53
Speaker 6: to be built. Belichick just said the word foot in
1:34:55
Speaker 6: ball in the same sentence, Oh my god, mind.
1:34:58
Speaker 2: Blown one hundred percent be a certain portion of the
1:35:01
Speaker 2: football population. No matter what he does, it's going to be.
1:35:04
Speaker 6: Like I don't know, I don't know if you've heard,
1:35:05
Speaker 6: but he got an Emmy.
1:35:06
Speaker 1: Going to be good.
1:35:07
Speaker 6: He got an Emmy for for his role. On the
1:35:09
Speaker 6: other did he say anything that was at all like
1:35:13
Speaker 6: earth shattering?
1:35:14
Speaker 1: That just shows you that whatever you pay for you'll
1:35:16
Speaker 1: get an Emmy for.
1:35:17
Speaker 6: But my point is he just like he's No, he's
1:35:21
Speaker 6: Bill Belichick, and that's what makes him different. And I
1:35:24
Speaker 6: get that, like hearing Bill Belichick say it carries more
1:35:27
Speaker 6: weight than hearing Mike do So say it. Hey, I
1:35:30
Speaker 6: understand that, but doesn't mean that Bill Belichick was any
1:35:34
Speaker 6: more insightful than Mike.
1:35:35
Speaker 5: Do say thank you.
1:35:37
Speaker 6: I brought it home for it.
1:35:37
Speaker 1: I think.
1:35:40
Speaker 5: Wicked handsome.
1:35:41
Speaker 2: I just think it'd be fascinating to hear Tom and
1:35:45
Speaker 2: Bill in the same booth and like critical play happens,
1:35:48
Speaker 2: and Tom looking at it from the offensive side, Bill
1:35:51
Speaker 2: looking at it from the defensive side, analyzed, well, if
1:35:55
Speaker 2: that's the case, that would be too bad.
1:35:58
Speaker 6: They'll they'll say something and you guys will I hope.
1:36:00
Speaker 5: I just think that is something you haven't seen, though,
1:36:04
Speaker 5: is like Bill on a clock, like watching a play,
1:36:07
Speaker 5: you know, like we've all seen him get do a
1:36:08
Speaker 5: film thing and he's got it all broken down already
1:36:10
Speaker 5: for you. But it would be interesting to me just
1:36:13
Speaker 5: to kind of experience it live and watch him take
1:36:15
Speaker 5: a play in and then what did what did you see?
1:36:18
Speaker 5: What stood out to you know? Where are his eyes going?
1:36:19
Speaker 5: What is he watching that?
1:36:20
Speaker 6: That to me would be see I could see him
1:36:22
Speaker 6: next year with like his buddy Jimmy Johnson on that
1:36:26
Speaker 6: Fox pregame and they'll be yucking it up and oh
1:36:31
Speaker 6: my god, did you see did you see Bill? Did
1:36:34
Speaker 6: you see? Like did you see them joking around? You
1:36:36
Speaker 6: see what is unbelievable, Like that's the personality he has
1:36:40
Speaker 6: behind the scenes that he doesn't let anybody like that's
1:36:43
Speaker 6: what's going to happen. I'm telling you now, it's going
1:36:45
Speaker 6: to happen.
1:36:46
Speaker 1: See. You have to understand, Paul is not making fun
1:36:48
Speaker 1: of Bill here.
1:36:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's making over the people that just like Paul
1:36:54
Speaker 5: as well as anybody on the planet has come out
1:36:56
Speaker 5: and make a fart noise.
1:36:57
Speaker 6: You are correct, You are correct. I'm not making fun
1:37:00
Speaker 6: of Bill at all. His personality is what it is, right,
1:37:03
Speaker 6: He's he's he's like sort of dry and you know, yeah,
1:37:08
Speaker 6: analytical like oh, like a truck driver when you get
1:37:12
Speaker 6: them away from the cameras, like that's another thing, like
1:37:16
Speaker 6: you lose Brian and I got to watch him film
1:37:18
Speaker 6: with them once. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable, but
1:37:23
Speaker 6: not like because not because I want to hear it
1:37:27
Speaker 6: like on the game like to your point live you know,
1:37:31
Speaker 6: as the plays are unfolding. The best guys can tell
1:37:34
Speaker 6: you what happened on a play before they see the replay. Yeah,
1:37:37
Speaker 6: you know. And the worst guys are Chris Collins, right,
1:37:40
Speaker 6: who tell you what PFF said, which is so completely
1:37:43
Speaker 6: transparent that he's that he's a part owner of the thing,
1:37:47
Speaker 6: right that everything, And you go and this is really
1:37:49
Speaker 6: all about the pressure of that nause You gotta tell
1:37:54
Speaker 6: Nick Bosa and then you watch the replay and he's
1:37:56
Speaker 6: like nowhere near that, right, Like, but Nick Bosa is
1:37:59
Speaker 6: like two in PFF's rankings or whatever. I'm just picking
1:38:02
Speaker 6: a guy I don't know who's actually second in past rushing.
1:38:05
Speaker 1: But you know my point, Like Chris Collins, he's terrible.
1:38:09
Speaker 1: She hates his voice.
1:38:11
Speaker 5: What about Jack Concert It's the same thing.
1:38:13
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
1:38:14
Speaker 5: It's like, I got enough Chris Concerts. I don't need
1:38:16
Speaker 5: another like clone of him coming up.
1:38:18
Speaker 6: I'll tell you, Mike, he's really talented and he would
1:38:22
Speaker 6: have gotten that job even if his name was Jack.
1:38:25
Speaker 5: So it's like he's just doing an impression of his
1:38:27
Speaker 5: dad the whole time.
1:38:31
Speaker 1: Anyway, I would it is like he's doing Yeah, I would.
1:38:35
Speaker 1: I would stream that Dyl and Tom in the booth.
1:38:38
Speaker 1: I'd stream that. Oh yeah, you go to the effort
1:38:41
Speaker 1: of streaming it if.
1:38:42
Speaker 5: You were you mean watching, you got your own things
1:38:44
Speaker 5: going on with our game?
1:38:45
Speaker 1: You mean, do you ever like people can play? I
1:38:49
Speaker 1: would go to a third party.
1:38:51
Speaker 6: So do you ever listen to the Manning cast?
1:38:54
Speaker 1: No?
1:38:55
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I would listen to them do that. Tom
1:38:59
Speaker 6: and Bill do that, just like I do with with
1:39:01
Speaker 6: Peyton and Eli, because I'd be curious to see, like,
1:39:05
Speaker 6: not under the bright lights of the actual game. They're
1:39:08
Speaker 6: just kind of speaking off the cuff. That'd be interesting
1:39:12
Speaker 6: if they if they did it again. To Fred's point,
1:39:15
Speaker 6: they can't just be like, wow, that was a really
1:39:17
Speaker 6: good time.
1:39:17
Speaker 2: But if they're really honest, if they're really honest, wouldn't
1:39:20
Speaker 2: it be been fascinating for Bill and Tom to have
1:39:23
Speaker 2: done that Detroit game and talk about the decisions that
1:39:25
Speaker 2: Campbell made honestly, honestly.
1:39:28
Speaker 1: It would be great.
1:39:30
Speaker 3: You know.
1:39:30
Speaker 1: Anyway, Let's go to Trey in Memphis. What's up, Trey?
1:39:36
Speaker 16: Hey guys, I'll be going good man, I haven't called
1:39:40
Speaker 16: it a very very long time.
1:39:42
Speaker 1: I know where you've been. What's going on in Memphis?
1:39:44
Speaker 13: Man?
1:39:45
Speaker 16: I do a lot of listening calling and like a
1:39:49
Speaker 16: lot of the things that I hear is just you know,
1:39:52
Speaker 16: a man can't take it. But two things, my person,
1:39:58
Speaker 16: I want to say. You know, last night I was
1:40:01
Speaker 16: sitting in the house, man, I just thought about, you know,
1:40:04
Speaker 16: you know, the past years, in the early pf W
1:40:08
Speaker 16: years with of course you Fred, you, Paul, Andy Hard,
1:40:15
Speaker 16: you know, Erie Scallabino and callers like you know Cat
1:40:20
Speaker 16: Okay and that the legendary Nick Baby Love and I
1:40:25
Speaker 16: just you.
1:40:26
Speaker 6: Know those days, man, uh, you can't replace those days.
1:40:36
Speaker 16: And I reflect on those days man, and you guys
1:40:39
Speaker 16: would like really really trip us out of you know,
1:40:42
Speaker 16: those were great. Those were the days. And not saying
1:40:45
Speaker 16: you know that these days don't mean anything. I mean,
1:40:48
Speaker 16: but man, those were the days.
1:40:51
Speaker 1: Well we have to create new days.
1:40:53
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was waiting for.
1:40:58
Speaker 5: Those.
1:41:00
Speaker 16: I don't think the pages can sit around us today.
1:41:02
Speaker 16: Two and wait to get the quarterback because I think
1:41:07
Speaker 16: about his pains are gonna reach. You know, some guys
1:41:09
Speaker 16: are going to get over drafted on day one. And
1:41:13
Speaker 16: even though guys the teams that have quarterbacks and some
1:41:17
Speaker 16: of them may take their Green Bay pod, you know,
1:41:20
Speaker 16: get a guy now and let them sit in there
1:41:22
Speaker 16: and them learn. I mean, so what you guys think
1:41:24
Speaker 16: about it? And now I'll get off the car.
1:41:27
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Trey.
1:41:28
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting and I like I like where he
1:41:33
Speaker 6: went for some of the other teams that aren't necessarily
1:41:35
Speaker 6: looking for a quarterback, like I could I can make
1:41:38
Speaker 6: an argument for that, like if you get like a
1:41:40
Speaker 6: second round pick on a Boat Nicks, if you already
1:41:42
Speaker 6: have a quarterback something like that, JJ McCarthy.
1:41:46
Speaker 5: I just wonder what it looks like the roster looks
1:41:48
Speaker 5: like when you get to the draft, Like what kind
1:41:50
Speaker 5: of quarterbacks are on the roster when you even get there?
1:41:52
Speaker 5: Like does it is it screaming we just have a
1:41:54
Speaker 5: placeholder here? Or you know, is there a Kirk Cousins forbids?
1:41:58
Speaker 5: Like I just there's no way. I mean, I don't
1:42:00
Speaker 5: think there's any way we're getting in the draft.
1:42:01
Speaker 6: And it's just not after that report tuts out on
1:42:04
Speaker 6: Kirk Cousins dollars.
1:42:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's looking for two years ninety million guaranteed.
1:42:10
Speaker 1: The Patriots aren't giving.
1:42:11
Speaker 6: Him that now, but should they.
1:42:15
Speaker 1: If they were really close? Yeah? Maybe?
1:42:19
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean so no, Yeah, maybe I agree with you.
1:42:24
Speaker 6: I don't think they should give Yeah, it's like the question.
1:42:26
Speaker 6: I also don't think Kirk Cousins would sign it to
1:42:28
Speaker 6: your ninety million dollar guaranteed contract to quarterback to patients.
1:42:31
Speaker 2: So the question, the real question is should any team
1:42:33
Speaker 2: do it? And I think a team that is close shit, Yeah.
1:42:35
Speaker 5: I mean maybe this is a defeatist attitude, but like
1:42:38
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes to uh Josh Allen, like, what realistically could
1:42:43
Speaker 5: the Patriots do to really get back into the top
1:42:46
Speaker 5: of the AFC in the next two or three years?
1:42:47
Speaker 6: Like Kirk Cousins, they'd have to like, well, you.
1:42:49
Speaker 5: Know, is that going to make any kind of dent
1:42:51
Speaker 5: in Mahomes is like not going to take Kansas City.
1:42:54
Speaker 6: Not if the roster is currently constituted. No, But like Atlanta,
1:43:00
Speaker 6: if I was Minnesota, I'd give them that in a
1:43:02
Speaker 6: heartbeat to stay. You know, I think the Falcons would
1:43:06
Speaker 6: make sense. I think Washington would make sense. Bring them
1:43:08
Speaker 6: back to Washington. Now, Washington's probably gonna draft one, so
1:43:12
Speaker 6: it doesn't you know, it doesn't matter. But yeah, I
1:43:14
Speaker 6: think those kinds of teams that have a little bit
1:43:16
Speaker 6: more I mean, Washington probably doesn't fall in Atlanta, does.
1:43:19
Speaker 6: It's Tampa.
1:43:20
Speaker 30: Does I mean, is it stupid to just sit in
1:43:22
Speaker 30: the AFC and be like, I don't know, guys, let's
1:43:24
Speaker 30: just take our time because this this this this conference
1:43:27
Speaker 30: is stacked right now for us to think about like
1:43:29
Speaker 30: trying to leap frog Lamar Josh Allen to uh Mahomes.
1:43:34
Speaker 30: That's why I made the comment the quarterback that would
1:43:38
Speaker 30: make the case that you're gonna jump any of those
1:43:40
Speaker 30: teams like the Patriots, like the Chiefs I think were
1:43:43
Speaker 30: really comparable to the O six Patriots this year, and
1:43:46
Speaker 30: that they kind of like they had played at a high,
1:43:49
Speaker 30: high level and then the roster kind of like lagged
1:43:52
Speaker 30: a little bit, and then they they found a way
1:43:55
Speaker 30: to win some game, you know, like that win in
1:43:57
Speaker 30: San Diego, you know, still a proud champion, one of
1:44:01
Speaker 30: those kind of things, yeah, you know, and then they
1:44:04
Speaker 30: just reloaded and kept going. I think that's what Kansas
1:44:06
Speaker 30: City's gonna end up doing. And I think people are
1:44:09
Speaker 30: going to look back.
1:44:11
Speaker 5: You know, this was the year you could have got him.
1:44:13
Speaker 6: You you had a chance to get him when they
1:44:15
Speaker 6: went down and you.
1:44:16
Speaker 5: Still couldn't do it.
1:44:17
Speaker 6: Baltimore Buffalo, like you had, you had every opportunity in
1:44:22
Speaker 6: your buildings to beat a team that was flawed and
1:44:25
Speaker 6: you still couldn't do it.
1:44:26
Speaker 5: Not to mention Burrow was out of the way this
1:44:28
Speaker 5: year too.
1:44:28
Speaker 1: You want to take a swing at the King, you best.
1:44:30
Speaker 6: Not miss and they missed.
1:44:32
Speaker 10: Yep.
1:44:33
Speaker 2: Miles from State College rights in. I'm in the library
1:44:36
Speaker 2: studying for an exam right now. I hope this doesn't
1:44:39
Speaker 2: make you guys or any listeners rip their hair out.
1:44:41
Speaker 2: But I love Mac. I think he's been screwed over
1:44:44
Speaker 2: here and has the potential to be great. I think
1:44:47
Speaker 2: we could be a playoff team next year if Josh
1:44:49
Speaker 2: McDaniels comes back as the OC in the in they
1:44:52
Speaker 2: draft Marvin Harrison Junior. Do you think there's any chance
1:44:54
Speaker 2: that happens and what are your thoughts on that.
1:44:56
Speaker 1: I think you better keep studying.
1:44:59
Speaker 6: I think there's a chance at happens. I don't think
1:45:00
Speaker 6: there's any chance to make the playoffs doing that.
1:45:03
Speaker 5: I don't either. I mean, I respect that the people
1:45:07
Speaker 5: think that, you know, Mac got done a little dirty like,
1:45:09
Speaker 5: but I also just think based on what we've watched games,
1:45:13
Speaker 5: preseason practices, joint practices, like you would have saw something
1:45:18
Speaker 5: more that like made you feel like it's in there,
1:45:21
Speaker 5: we can get it out of him, And it doesn't
1:45:23
Speaker 5: seem like Bill was even interested, really in trying to
1:45:26
Speaker 5: pull it out of him. You know, like the only
1:45:27
Speaker 5: thing Bill really did was just refused to kind of
1:45:30
Speaker 5: acknowledge you as the starter and kind of continue like
1:45:33
Speaker 5: he's in competition. He needs to continue to, you know,
1:45:35
Speaker 5: work his hardest to secure this job. I'm not going
1:45:38
Speaker 5: to hand him anything. I just I I don't know.
1:45:42
Speaker 6: The other part of that. That Mass Live story that
1:45:44
Speaker 6: I thought was interesting. You mentioned the Stinger thing earlier,
1:45:50
Speaker 6: his sort of acknowledgment like Geno Smith, like that's I
1:45:57
Speaker 6: think he thinks that's where he's headed. Yeah, like I'm
1:45:59
Speaker 6: gonna have to go somewhere and be a backup for
1:46:01
Speaker 6: a little while before I get another shot. Which I
1:46:05
Speaker 6: think he's right to be thinking that way. But I
1:46:08
Speaker 6: think that's even telling you where he is. I think
1:46:11
Speaker 6: you've already seen the best he has to offer. I
1:46:13
Speaker 6: think the best he has to offer to me was
1:46:16
Speaker 6: week one through week ten of his rookie year, and
1:46:20
Speaker 6: I don't think that he's capable of playing better than that.
1:46:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he had a pretty good
1:46:27
Speaker 2: game in Minnesota last year. You know, so I think
1:46:32
Speaker 2: that week one through ten, Paul his rookie year. He
1:46:35
Speaker 2: was so highly managed.
1:46:36
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I think. That's the best thing he
1:46:38
Speaker 6: could be. Well, then that's not good right now, And
1:46:41
Speaker 6: I'm not telling you he didn't have like a good
1:46:42
Speaker 6: pass in any time after that. But are they doing
1:46:47
Speaker 6: the fourth quarter of that Minnesota again?
1:46:48
Speaker 1: No, he faltered.
1:46:50
Speaker 6: He had a good because that's what he does.
1:46:52
Speaker 1: He had a decent game against Buffalo this year, you know, yep.
1:46:56
Speaker 5: It's just not traits to gamble, No, you know, like
1:46:58
Speaker 5: if there were traits, he could like, nah, well he's
1:47:01
Speaker 5: always gonna.
1:47:02
Speaker 6: Have a rocket arm, right, And every quarterback has a
1:47:04
Speaker 6: good game once in a while, like Nick Mullins threw
1:47:06
Speaker 6: for four hundred yards. Even bad quarterbacks have good games.
1:47:11
Speaker 2: Natean Boulder says, darn you, Fred and Paul. You curse
1:47:14
Speaker 2: the lines by mentioning how you were worried about coach
1:47:17
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell making a bonehead decision and ruining your chances
1:47:20
Speaker 2: of going to the super Bowl, and darn it. All
1:47:22
Speaker 2: through the game, I kept on thinking he was about
1:47:24
Speaker 2: to make a bonehead decision, particularly by going forward on
1:47:27
Speaker 2: fourth and two when he didn't need to, and he
1:47:29
Speaker 2: did it twice, so yeah.
1:47:32
Speaker 6: He should have done it three times. I think you
1:47:34
Speaker 6: should have gone for the one at the end of
1:47:35
Speaker 6: the half, like you kick the field goal there. Like
1:47:39
Speaker 6: to me, that was a free one because you don't lose,
1:47:42
Speaker 6: like the other team is gonna if you don't get it.
1:47:46
Speaker 6: The other team's on the two yard line or whatever
1:47:48
Speaker 6: it was the one yard line and it's the end
1:47:50
Speaker 6: of the half, so you're not gonna get up any points.
1:47:53
Speaker 6: I think that was a free shot to go.
1:47:54
Speaker 2: For Andre New Jersey not listening live, But when it
1:47:57
Speaker 2: comes to the NFC Championship game, which was a good game,
1:48:01
Speaker 2: by the way, let me take a guess what happened
1:48:03
Speaker 2: in the household of Paul and Evan when watching this game.
1:48:06
Speaker 1: Paul's in his.
1:48:07
Speaker 2: Man cave is recliner chugging a couple of leaders of
1:48:09
Speaker 2: diet pepsi.
1:48:10
Speaker 1: Was it diet pepsi? Your diet, diet diet?
1:48:13
Speaker 6: It was Sunday night, Diapepsi.
1:48:15
Speaker 2: Seeing the Lions and fourth down three to tie the
1:48:17
Speaker 2: ball instead of they went for it, Paul, my guest says,
1:48:20
Speaker 2: here we go again with this buffoon of a coach.
1:48:23
Speaker 2: Costing his team to go to the Super Bowl. Just
1:48:24
Speaker 2: kick the damn field.
1:48:25
Speaker 6: Goal, surprising you. I didn't do that. I do think
1:48:28
Speaker 6: you should have kicked the second one.
1:48:30
Speaker 1: Then he woke up Beth from her good night's sleep
1:48:32
Speaker 1: with all that yelling.
1:48:33
Speaker 6: Evan, Beth was mad Death wanted Detroit and she was
1:48:35
Speaker 6: really invested in Detroit.
1:48:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:48:38
Speaker 2: Evan was watching the game with Jess, especially seeing the
1:48:40
Speaker 2: second half of the nine as he turns to her
1:48:42
Speaker 2: and said, boy, that pretty guy. I really owe him
1:48:45
Speaker 2: an apology. Did you see the way he ran? I
1:48:47
Speaker 2: thought I was seeing Josh Allen out there while having
1:48:49
Speaker 2: a poster of Joe Ault next to his television.
1:48:53
Speaker 6: See the pretty stuff to me is interesting, Like I
1:48:58
Speaker 6: don't think he really did anything. I mean, he had
1:49:00
Speaker 6: a couple of runs, a couple of runs, had a
1:49:02
Speaker 6: couple of runs and got away and made plays and
1:49:05
Speaker 6: that's you know the people that say those are the
1:49:07
Speaker 6: things that he does that. I agree. He's better off
1:49:11
Speaker 6: platform than even like I said, like the Jared Goff,
1:49:15
Speaker 6: he's much better under pressure off platform than golf. But like,
1:49:20
Speaker 6: literally the whole second half, and I know that it's
1:49:24
Speaker 6: not like he completed a fifty one yard bomb. That
1:49:26
Speaker 6: was perfect. He threw a ball off the other team's
1:49:29
Speaker 6: face he had for fifty one yard. You take that
1:49:32
Speaker 6: out and it's the same like he did.
1:49:35
Speaker 1: He did really not sound like Evan.
1:49:38
Speaker 6: I'm more on party side than Evans sound like it.
1:49:44
Speaker 6: I just called it because I call it like I
1:49:46
Speaker 6: see it. Fred, I don't just get cornered in my tape.
1:49:48
Speaker 1: I thought he had a good game, Okay.
1:49:50
Speaker 6: I thought he was really thoroughly average in both games.
1:49:53
Speaker 1: I thought his line wasn't that great.
1:49:55
Speaker 6: And I agree with his line. His line stinks.
1:49:57
Speaker 1: I think he stood in there, took some hits.
1:50:00
Speaker 6: I agree with the taking hits and making some plays.
1:50:02
Speaker 6: I don't think he played well, all right, and I don't.
1:50:05
Speaker 6: He played better than he did against Green Bay, but
1:50:08
Speaker 6: not by a lot.
1:50:09
Speaker 1: Well, okay, he's still learning.
1:50:12
Speaker 6: And if he does that still, like I said, I
1:50:13
Speaker 6: don't think Kansas City will hand him the game if
1:50:15
Speaker 6: they if they do that again.
1:50:17
Speaker 1: Tony's in Canada.
1:50:18
Speaker 17: Hey Tony, Hi, guys, just listening to this show. And
1:50:25
Speaker 17: I have to agree with Mac Jones. I was hopeful
1:50:28
Speaker 17: that he would turn out to be the quarterback, you know,
1:50:32
Speaker 17: the franchise quarterback it just didn't work out that way.
1:50:35
Speaker 17: I'm wondering if you guys checked out or heard Tom
1:50:38
Speaker 17: Currian's podcast he interviewed Joe Dixon, quarterback coach for Mac Jones,
1:50:44
Speaker 17: and what your thoughts were about that. I'll get off
1:50:48
Speaker 17: the air right away. My view is Mac might be
1:50:53
Speaker 17: that guy to hold sort of like hold that position
1:50:57
Speaker 17: for the next year, maybe bring him back on a
1:50:59
Speaker 17: rookie contract with the one year is last year. But
1:51:02
Speaker 17: we have to go back in. We have to find
1:51:04
Speaker 17: that franchise quarterback, and it's going to be a crap shoote.
1:51:08
Speaker 17: So I'll go off the air and I'll listen to
1:51:09
Speaker 17: you guys.
1:51:10
Speaker 1: Thinks Okay, I.
1:51:14
Speaker 6: Didn't either, But I'm just kind of curious as to
1:51:15
Speaker 6: why people want Mac to be that guy. Why are
1:51:19
Speaker 6: people interested in that? Like, if you're going to do that,
1:51:22
Speaker 6: if you don't have anybody like to your point, I
1:51:25
Speaker 6: think you put it Mike. You know, it depends on
1:51:28
Speaker 6: what that looks like at the time, Like is it
1:51:32
Speaker 6: cousins or someone or is it just or is it
1:51:35
Speaker 6: just you know, or is there no Mac and Zapie?
1:51:39
Speaker 6: Why is anybody interested if that's what it ends up being,
1:51:42
Speaker 6: Like you didn't get anybody, You couldn't sign anybody. Wouldn't
1:51:45
Speaker 6: you rather have ZAPPI play next year?
1:51:48
Speaker 5: I mean I think I would, Yeah, I mean just
1:51:51
Speaker 5: for the less drama.
1:51:52
Speaker 1: Well, I don't.
1:51:53
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily think it's less drama. I think he
1:51:55
Speaker 6: played better than Mac did. It wasn't by a lot,
1:51:58
Speaker 6: but he played better.
1:52:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think I would pause it that the
1:52:03
Speaker 5: team would be more likely to get behind Zappy.
1:52:05
Speaker 6: Did you just have to redo your check?
1:52:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, Gollo bump littlecture in there for you.
1:52:10
Speaker 1: Actually it went down.
1:52:12
Speaker 6: I know, Well, I'm not going to I'm not I'm
1:52:15
Speaker 6: not going to not approved.
1:52:16
Speaker 2: Not approved. Yeah, So I know I get what Paul
1:52:21
Speaker 2: is saying. I would be disappointed if either one of them.
1:52:26
Speaker 6: Is Oh Fred, absolutely absolutely. I don't want any part
1:52:30
Speaker 6: of that. Yeah, But I'm just saying if they get
1:52:33
Speaker 6: stuck the way Mike explained, I don't understand why people
1:52:38
Speaker 6: are interested in Mac.
1:52:39
Speaker 2: To be the the to be the placeholder is like
1:52:42
Speaker 2: what Yeah, so I just don't want all me you know,
1:52:46
Speaker 2: but it doesn't.
1:52:46
Speaker 6: But it doesn't make any sense if even if he
1:52:49
Speaker 6: plays well, Let's say he plays well, and it's like
1:52:52
Speaker 6: this miraculous story. Yeap, Now you you want to give
1:52:56
Speaker 6: him forty million, right if you don't pick the option
1:52:59
Speaker 6: because you know it next you know, there's almost nothing
1:53:01
Speaker 6: he could do for you to want him back at
1:53:04
Speaker 6: that money. Right, let's say thirty five million. Let's just
1:53:08
Speaker 6: call it thirty five million a year. There's almost nothing
1:53:10
Speaker 6: he could do that most Patriots fans would want to
1:53:13
Speaker 6: invest in him like that. So what do you to?
1:53:16
Speaker 5: What end?
1:53:17
Speaker 6: To what end?
1:53:18
Speaker 5: He plays?
1:53:19
Speaker 6: He plays well and then you're going to lose in
1:53:20
Speaker 6: the year, or he plays the same that he's played
1:53:24
Speaker 6: the last two and a half years and you stink
1:53:27
Speaker 6: again because.
1:53:27
Speaker 1: Of him, and you get another high draft pick.
1:53:31
Speaker 6: So there's another one. I'm on Felger with. Yeah, Felger's
1:53:34
Speaker 6: big thing is don't you don't take the quarterback? You
1:53:39
Speaker 6: know in three you're looking at you. If his big
1:53:42
Speaker 6: thing was if you had that Miami trade where you
1:53:44
Speaker 6: went from twelve to three with San Francisco. San Francisco
1:53:48
Speaker 6: went from twelve to three and they got all these
1:53:50
Speaker 6: guys and he rattles off all the names. He also
1:53:52
Speaker 6: adds first round picks that they didn't get because he
1:53:55
Speaker 6: counts switching from twelve to three as a first round pick, right,
1:53:59
Speaker 6: which that's not how it works. But he goes through
1:54:02
Speaker 6: the whole thing. You wouldn't want to do that, and
1:54:03
Speaker 6: then and then like I would, I would definitely do that,
1:54:07
Speaker 6: especially if you could do it with like a team
1:54:08
Speaker 6: who you think is going to be very good, and
1:54:10
Speaker 6: then you'll have well, why do you care how the
1:54:12
Speaker 6: team is? You obviously have no interest in the third pick,
1:54:15
Speaker 6: how much higher than three you're gonna get. You don't
1:54:18
Speaker 6: want to take the number three pick, right, but you're
1:54:20
Speaker 6: interested in how bad the team is that you're trading with,
1:54:22
Speaker 6: so it can be another high pick next year. You
1:54:24
Speaker 6: don't care about the high pick now, Like the philosophies
1:54:27
Speaker 6: is so flawed. If you want to trade and trade down,
1:54:30
Speaker 6: I think there's a good argument to be made for that,
1:54:32
Speaker 6: But that's because you couldn't get a quarterback, right, So
1:54:35
Speaker 6: I don't want to take a tackle at three or
1:54:37
Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison at three.
1:54:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to Travis in Greensboro, North Carolina.
1:54:43
Speaker 1: Hey, Travis, Hey, my caller.
1:54:46
Speaker 4: Is the same as the previous caller. Okay, how about
1:54:48
Speaker 4: the Mats quarterback coach? So he went on Tom Kerrn
1:54:52
Speaker 4: and he basically stated that he advised Matt to get
1:54:55
Speaker 4: a trade after his first year, Yeah, because he saw that,
1:55:00
Speaker 4: you know, Bill Belichick wasn't put in the stuff he
1:55:03
Speaker 4: needed to be supporter. And I kind of look at
1:55:06
Speaker 4: it and basically was saying that the reason Matt one
1:55:08
Speaker 4: of his struggles was it was all in his head,
1:55:12
Speaker 4: like having to replace Tom Brady, not having an offensive line.
1:55:16
Speaker 4: So for that reason, I kind of feel for Matt.
1:55:19
Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be better than what
1:55:21
Speaker 4: he is, but I think they just could have did
1:55:23
Speaker 4: more for him. Yeah, considering who he was replacing. You know,
1:55:28
Speaker 4: the Boston media, you know, no weapons.
1:55:32
Speaker 6: And Boston media point on. The Boston media loved Mac
1:55:36
Speaker 6: Jones his first year, absolutely.
1:55:39
Speaker 4: Loved saying about everything and stuff they're still complaining.
1:55:44
Speaker 6: Yeah no, that's okay, that's like a nineteen seventy eight
1:55:48
Speaker 6: view of the Boston media, Thanks Travis. The Boston media
1:55:51
Speaker 6: was absolutely in love with Mac Jones his rookie year.
1:55:54
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I was a lone voice in the wilderness.
1:55:56
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and now all of a sudden he was
1:55:59
Speaker 6: heavily man right again.
1:56:01
Speaker 1: Uh Shaddy in Houston.
1:56:03
Speaker 6: You know, Richard Seymour yeah, I don't get them all right, fresh.
1:56:08
Speaker 2: Just a note on the ro Quand penalty. This is
1:56:10
Speaker 2: the one where he you know, ran he had to
1:56:14
Speaker 2: do a personal foul. As the Chiefs could have declined
1:56:16
Speaker 2: the off size penalty and time was the most important factor.
1:56:19
Speaker 1: They're not yets. You can't decline a pre snap penalty,
1:56:22
Speaker 1: can you.
1:56:25
Speaker 6: They could, but that that's dumb if they if they did,
1:56:30
Speaker 6: that would be dumb, right, Like, you run the risk. Still,
1:56:33
Speaker 6: you run the risk of not getting five yards if
1:56:35
Speaker 6: you turn that.
1:56:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still the same down, it's not you know,
1:56:38
Speaker 2: like there's no advantage to decline.
1:56:41
Speaker 6: I mean, I think technically he's right. Technically he's right,
1:56:46
Speaker 6: but that doesn't mean you get a fifteen yard penalty.
1:56:48
Speaker 6: You personal foul like that you didn't. I don't think
1:56:52
Speaker 6: that was the only thing, you you know, maybe it was,
1:56:54
Speaker 6: But he could be right. Maybe maybe Kansas City would
1:56:57
Speaker 6: it would have declined the penalty to make it stay
1:57:00
Speaker 6: first and five instead of first and ten. Maybe they
1:57:02
Speaker 6: would have.
1:57:05
Speaker 1: Alex and Raleigh.
1:57:06
Speaker 2: Someone tell that kid to study harder and pray he
1:57:08
Speaker 2: doesn't become a football coach. Mac is done here and
1:57:11
Speaker 2: if he comes back, the tank is still on even
1:57:14
Speaker 2: with mail Max should have never been drafted by the Patriots.
1:57:17
Speaker 2: No clue what people still see in him.
1:57:20
Speaker 6: And just to and again, I give the email a
1:57:22
Speaker 6: credit for thinking outside the box. If Kansas City declined it,
1:57:27
Speaker 6: so the clock's still not running. Now you gotta do
1:57:30
Speaker 6: it do it again?
1:57:31
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