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Weekend Recap with Iowa State falling at Colorado & Iowa throttling Wisconsin, Scott Dochterman talks Hawkeyes & College Football · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Hi, good afternoon. Welcome Miller and Condon on a
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Monday. The Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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Trent Condon and Ken Miller for the next two hours here to talk
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sports with you. Thank you for starting your
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afternoon with us. Here's what's coming up on our
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program at the bottom of our number one, We will talk to our
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friend Scott Dockerman. He was in Madison at Camp
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Randall yesterday or yesterday, Saturday for that butt kicking,
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Iowa, Wisconsin. We'll recap that with Doc.
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He's got his latest College Football Playoff rankings.
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They published those this morning at the Athletics.
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So we'll see if there's any movement on how Doc forecast the
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College Football Playoff after this past week.
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Have to assume that there will be, especially with Indiana
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doing what they did. My God, so Scott Dockerman,
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we'll start things off then Bama Bob, Trent and I will talk
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college football. Look forward to doing that with
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our buddy Bama Bob and then Bill Seals will recap the Colorado
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loss. Take a look at the basketball is
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the men's basketball has a date over in Omaha against Creighton
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on Friday night. Mr. Monday night will be here.
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He's got a 2 pack of games to opine upon couple of baseball
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games if those float Mr. Monday night's boat.
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But All in all, a pretty darn a good day of sports lies ahead
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off a pretty good weekend of sports.
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Unless you're a Cubs fan. They went down in flames.
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Too bad, but I think the right team won.
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The better team won anyways. How are you TC?
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Not great. Got a headache.
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Now I'm feeling a little under the weather.
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One of our guests that we were going to have on today, Jeff
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Hughes, he's feeling the same out in New York.
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So I don't think they're related.
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Probably different. Yeah, I've had a headache and.
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I don't know. I don't have headaches very
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often, which is weird. I didn't very very rare, maybe
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outside of a a late night, but didn't have any of those this
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weekend so not sure what it is. But we will persevere and we got
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plenty to talk. About yeah, we really do
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football wise, college football is unbelievable.
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James Franklin is out. The NFL was really, really bad
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during the day, but then just when you think they're out here
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they come again. I'm I got to learn my lesson.
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I got to quit. I really do.
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They, they, they're taking years off my life.
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I'm just going to let them be them and not got all excited
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that it's finally over because it's not Anyways, I'm talking
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about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, of course.
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Let's. I thought about you last night
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and I wondered what your game plan was because you hate watch
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the Chiefs. You hate watching that?
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I do you. You do not miss, no, if there's
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if the Broncos are playing, you don't miss a snap of the Chiefs.
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No, because I want them to lose. Right, so I knew you were locked
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in there. Yet the Blue Jays are playing,
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so we know what. It was like, it was like and I
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turned my phone off, OK. It was like I when I was state
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playing at the same time. That's what you did.
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Them both and watch some of it and catch up on the other one
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and go back and forth and I hate doing that but I don't want to
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know the score and I want to watch it both.
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So you were back and forth. That had to be a frustrating
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evening in both. Cases, yes, in both cases,
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that's for sure. Anyways, but yeah, give give the
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Chiefs full credit. They pasted the Detroit Lions, a
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team that I thought was pretty darn good coming into that one.
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I still think they're good. But the Chiefs just again, when
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you think it's over, it's not over.
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Let's let's go back to Saturday. Let's start with the winners,
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first of all, and that was the Hawkeye.
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Did Haiden Large catch the ball? Yeah, he did, didn't he?
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Didn't he bitch 'cause that's what, that's what, that's what
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makes me wonder. And yes, why didn't they even?
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Like put at the sidelines. In the grand scheme of things,
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if he's absolutely nothing other than for the kid in a 37 game,
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it would have been a highlight maybe.
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Who knows what he's going to go on to do, right?
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But that was going to be a hell of a catch on one of the most
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unlikely guys that's going to be down the field catching that
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length of pass. I thought he caught the
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football. I really did.
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That aside, my takeaways are a couple of them.
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How bad Wisconsin is? Oh, this is an awful football
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team. You know, that's one.
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I was dead wrong. I said the record wouldn't show
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it, but I thought they were going to be improved.
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And I know they've had injuries, but.
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That's bad trend. They're awful, awful.
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That's that's one of the worst Big 10 teams that have.
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That's not like the awful Northwest, Northwest or.
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Illinois and Indiana back in the day.
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This drags for a team that has some cache behind them.
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They're so bad they're supposed to be good against the run.
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That that was the one I would put.
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And those are my, that's my other takeaways.
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Williams and McNeil, yes, absolutely.
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I mean, we knew Moulton was good, but the other two, I mean,
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this Williams guy, you know, there's a lot of McNeil love out
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there. I get it.
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This McNeil, this Williams got some.
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There's a lot of things to like about him too.
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And I love the fact that Kaden Weejun's getting more involved
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in the offense now. God, he runs hard.
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He really does. You're ready for the Mark
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Gronowski conversation. Should he or shouldn't be
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playing? There were three different
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instances when I went back and watched it last night where he
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just stumbles running, rolling out, just stumbles.
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Brace. I don't think it's a brace.
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I think it's because the knee isn't secure.
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Yeah, just. Wonky, yes, I I think that's
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what it is. I mean when you can't play it
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and throw and then you look at the passing chart, it's not the
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now the field. Well, it's the large.
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It's the large. I wonder if a part of it is he
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wants to get the ball out quick knowing that mean take a hit,
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he's going to be taken. And yet, late the football game,
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there he is going around the left side running the football.
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What are you doing? Look at the scoreboard.
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And why he was still in there, that's a great question.
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As long as he was. And then who replaced him?
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Well, that's a story too. Another story.
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We'll get to that momentarily. But there were three different
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instances, him just in the pocket or rolling a little bit
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and you could just see kind of stumbles because of that knee.
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I mean, that's hugely concerning when you just can't even roll
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correctly because of instability in that knee.
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No, I saw people less to be well, he looks 7580%.
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I didn't think it's close. No, I don't think it's all.
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And if they need him quarterback draw in 3rd and four.
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No. Can you do it?
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I don't know. I was shocked that they had him
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sneak at the 1 yard line after the Aaron Gray's up.
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You know, Trent, I'm glad you brought the I seldom get out of
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my chair for either Iowa or Iowa State, right?
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I I just. You're a hardened.
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Veteran that and yeah, I mean I was out of my chair.
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I wanted him to score in the worst way.
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AI mean how does a defensive tackle, you know, pick the ball
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off the way he does? He was supposed to have contain,
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he said after the game. That's what he said.
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His assignment on that play was contained.
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He went out a little bit further than he was supposed to and look
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what I found. Look what I found to the oh God,
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I wish he would have scored. That would have been that would
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have been icing on the. Cam I mean just a great a kid
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that was playing a player football.
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Yeah, we hear about him. He graduates as a junior from
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high school. He'd already had his a a degree
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before he'd even graduated high school.
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He's played an 8 player, yet he's got offers from like
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Michigan and the like. I mean, how often does?
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And he's the best player on defense this year for Iowa.
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He stays home. We see him early on, he's
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playing a little bit and what he's developed into, yeah, that
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would have been icing on the cake.
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Bryce Hawthorne said that that was the first interception of
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his career. Was and that's the ball or the
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grace? First interception or.
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Hawthorne, the one that was deflected up pace.
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Deflected, I think. No, Is Brian Allen.
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Brian Allen got his hand in there that popped it up in the
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air. Bryce Hawthorne didn't have one
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at South Dakota State, didn't have one in high school, didn't
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even have one in pee wee football.
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First interception he has ever had in his career.
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I mean, when your defensive lineman are becoming the dough
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boys, it's pretty good. Yeah, I know.
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I'll say that was really good. Lots of things to get excited.
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Should we talk about Hecklinski? I mean, that's it's weird, isn't
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it? He wasn't the guy two weeks ago,
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right? Wasn't the next man in?
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Is it what they saw against Indiana from Hank Brown?
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Or that the one screen pass, that's that's the play there
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with that the one play. They're five and one right now.
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They complete a screen pass through five and one right now
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and nobody can dissuade me from that opinion.
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No, no, they, I'm, I'm with you. He was all he had, two offensive
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lineman in front of him. You throw that in the right
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spot, if he doesn't score, he's got the first down easily.
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Chip shot field goal. Iowa walks it off against
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Indiana. But here we are.
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So here's my theory on Heklinski.
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What we've seen the last two years now with Tim Lester at the
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helm is Iowa works a whole lot better their offense when they
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have a mobile quarterback. It's not that Hank Brown is
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Spencer Petrus, but he's it's more about the arm talent with
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him at Klinsky. He's got that wiggle, he's got
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that juice, he's got that mobility that I think they're
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looking for and it's. Been high on him since he got on
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campus. Absolutely.
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And then if it's close, and it obviously sounds like it is, and
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Kurt made went out of his way to mention that afterwards, but if
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it is close, they're going to go more with the guy that Lester
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wants. Yeah, the guy that can move
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around, the guy that has a little bit more athleticism.
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If it's close like it is, we saw Brendan Sullivan, what he was
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able to do, obviously Gronowski, when healthy, what he's been
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able to do. This offense works a whole lot
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better with the mobile quarterback.
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And I think that is why Hecklinski got the edge and is
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now the backup. Do you remember as we look
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forward to next week, what the look ahead line was?
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Penn State, Iowa. I do this summer it was 10 1/2.
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It was 10 at Penn State favorite 10 1/2, and it was now favored 3
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1/2. I remember at the time, man,
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that's too many. I got 1.
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I think it's FanDuel. I had a line that I grabbed the
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tent at the summer. Yeah.
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And now do I try to middle it? No.
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No, just. Don't push your luck.
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Walk away happy that I got that in the back pocket and take that
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one. But what a absolute change.
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This Penn State team in two weeks spent as much money as
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anybody. Not just what they did on the
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roster and getting the running backs back and aller to come
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back and on and on and on. What they did in the portal,
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going out and getting 2 pretty good receivers and another one
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that certainly other programs wanted.
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I mean that is expensive. People called this the most
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expensive roster in college football history.
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But not only that, they also go out.
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They get Knowles. That wasn't cheap.
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Couldn't have been. Be one of the highest paid
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assistant coaches to be their defensive coordinator and you
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get slapped in the mouth by Northwestern at home.
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The week after you get slapped by UCUCL.
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A and the UCLA was weird and goofy and it's.
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Northwestern was at home. You but to lose that one at
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home, to get bullied by Northwestern in the UCLA game,
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You can come up with reasons or excuses, whatever terminology
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you want to use. This one, there's nothing.
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There's nothing. And then Franklin gets his
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walking paper. $49 million buyout yesterday.
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I was so disappointed. You wanted to.
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Get Oh, I want to see James Franklin with his tail between
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his legs so bad. He is the one of the most
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unlikable figures in college football.
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You know my disdain for him and to see that.
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But he walks away with a $49 million parachute.
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Yeah, good for him. The schadenfreude that I would
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have been able to have with James Franklin having to come in
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here. But doesn't he get that he's
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making 20 grand a day, every day, not just during the season,
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every. Doesn't he kind of get the last
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laugh? Well, it depends.
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I mean, where does Penn State go?
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I mean, if they go out and they win a national championship,
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Penn State gets the last. He's making 20 grand a day,
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Yeah. He's in good shape.
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Yeah, I'll say unbelievable. All right, Iowa State, Obviously
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the play that everybody talks about was the was the flag that
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was picked up. Why did they?
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Pick it up, I don't know the answer what?
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Is the question for the reason? Well, a, it was uncatchable.
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Was it was the ball? I don't think the ball was
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intercepted prior to the incident.
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But here's my problem with the incident.
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That's offensive pass interference too.
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You're not entitled to run through a guy.
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He stood his ground. Now he did reach his arms out
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and grab Bramer and grab, but was he falling back because
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Bramer was about to run through? Bramer can't do that right?
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That's initially what I thought the flag was going to be, OPI,
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offensive pass interference, right?
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And then when they come back now it's going to be defense.
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Oh, we're just going to pick up the flag, right?
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Would it have been better for this officiating crew to get
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together and say that was offensive pass interference?
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Or holding right, defensive holding.
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Well, defensive holding gets taken off the board, but yeah,
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to pick the flag up, though, there was something there.
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Yes, we bought. We all saw something.
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There was some we saw there. Bramer initiate the contract and
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contact the DB, grab out and pull him to the ground which he
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clearly did. The ball was picked off.
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Terrible throw, but rushed to our own with Rocco Beck, it's
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you know what you mentioned. Was it a time to have the the
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Gronowski conversation? Is it a time to have the Rocco
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Beck conversation? Because now it's his.
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Accuracy or his inaccuracy? Which has always been history.
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Yes, he is sailing balls. He is missing easy completions.
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Those are the passes you're just not used to.
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No, Rocco is not he's. Gonna have there was a couple of
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drops. It's not like, you know, every
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one of his incompletions was on him.
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It wasn't. But you knew with Rocco Beck,
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though, he doesn't have an elite arm.
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He's not going to wow the scouts or anything like that.
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It was the accuracy, and not just accuracy, getting the ball
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to the receiver, getting into the right spot, and that does
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not look like the same guy. This.
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Last, I mean, he still makes a few of those throws, but few and
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far between, right? Abu Sama was terrific.
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Yes, he was he. Was really good.
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There's RB-1. There's RB-1 now.
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Now it's, that's an interesting point when they come back from
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there by I think he's, I think he did enough yesterday or or
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Saturday to earn that with Hanson.
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I'm going to continue to beat this drum.
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Xavier Townsend needs more touches.
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They need to. He had that one drive where he
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had what, back-to-back catches, I think it was or two out of
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three plays, whatever it was. He had the little jet sweep
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thing that they got to carry on, but outside of that, get that
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guy involved. Eli Green was involved on that
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play on the sidelines. He been a hell of a catch.
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That was a good throw. I think I think Xavier Townsend
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needs to be a bigger part of this offense.
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I think a guy with that kind of speed, that kind of ability.
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I mean, we saw with Jalen Noel what what he was able to unlock
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with this offense and they're just missing it.
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As good as those tight ends are, we know it's so well, minimum is
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solid, you know, a solid receiver.
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I'm with you. I think the missing dynamic here
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is somebody, that slot guy that can do some things.
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And I think it's Townsend that needs to be more.
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Involved. Eskelson had a couple of drops.
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It's not like him. How about you got to feel for
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River Peppers? First touch.
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One touch. And now he's done for the year.
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And you knew right away, I mean, when you go down in a heap like
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that, a non contact injury. Yep, it's rolling up the back of
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his calf or something. We're sports doctors, we're not
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real doctors. And that one I think we all knew
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right away. This isn't good.
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That thing's torn. Yeah, this is not good. 3rd 4th
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straight year now for Iowa State.
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Lose their first game of the season.
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Come back a week later on the road as favorites and lose
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back-to-back games 4 consecutive years.
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That's right. You brought that up on Friday.
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Yeah. That I don't know if there's a
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reason or explanation, but something deflates this team.
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So where does the team go from here?
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I think they're cooked. As far as the Big 12 champions?
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Yeah, I mean in contention. Well, look, Texas Tech looks
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like they're on a different level.
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Yeah, absolutely. Utah looks like they're on a
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different level to me. Arizona State, they they just
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took, they took Arizona State to the woodshed.
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Look, BYUI watched some of the BYU Arizona game until the
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delay. We saw Arizona there.
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BYU's kind of, you know, there's that there's a whole bunch of
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teams in the middle. We thought, I thought Iowa State
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was on that second tier. I'm not sure there is a second
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tier, right? I think there's maybe the second
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tier is Utah, right? And then there's the other tier
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of everybody else not named Oklahoma State or West Virginia,
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But look, they took out all of Iowa State's air, quote, tougher
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games. Well, maybe TCU is tough, but I
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was surprised TCU got beat. Arizona State's at home.
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BYU is at home. Kansas is at home.
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I, I, I, I still think that there's seven and 58 and 14.
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Right where they were pre season projections.
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But I don't think that they're going to make them.
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I don't think they're going to get back to the conference
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championship. And you know what, Cyclone fans,
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if that's the case, that's going to take one of your options off
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the board. It's going to make it easy for
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you to turn on and watch Iowa State play for two at the same
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time as the Big 12 championship game.
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Yes, right. Makes it easier for you don't
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have to watch the football game because you're going to, you're
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going to see your squad go up against the number one team in
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the country. Speaking of, that preseason AP
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poll is out for men's basketball.
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The Cyclones check in at #16 How many?
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Big 12 teams. Let's see Houston, BYU, Texas
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Tech, Arizona, Iowa State. So 4 ahead of Iowa State.
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Yep, Kansas at 19. That's weird to me, Kansas,
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that. Far down and that's it.
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That's it. Out of I mean all.
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Right. Give me the Big 10 schools.
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The Big 10, you have Purdue #1 #1, Purdue, Michigan at #7 you
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have UCLA at #12 I like that UCLA team.
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Hopefully Cronin is not bitching about his travel this year.
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No, they always. Do I know Illinois at #17
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Michigan State at 22, Wisconsin at 24, Others receiving votes.
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The Iowa Hawkeyes received 6 votes.
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I think like 11 teams in front of them, something like that.
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So 36, if you will, in the preseason poll.
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Is there a Valley team on the list?
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Probably not, no. I wouldn't be surprised.
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I'm going through others receiving votes.
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Anything there? Nobody.
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Nope. All right, we've got Scott
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Docherman. We'll get to him at the bottom
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of our number one, which is in like 11 minutes or so.
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We'll get Doc in here. I'll do a couple of minutes on
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the NFL. Either we'll do that prior to
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Doc or after Doc. I thought the NFL slated games
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yesterday during during the day was as bad as we've seen in a
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long, long time. Just just, they were just bad
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games. Maybe the best match up would
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have been San Francisco and Tampa Bay.
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That was a relatively good. Game and Baker doing it.
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Is he the MVP at this point of the year?
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Same for two weeks. He has to be, doesn't he, With
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an office? He was back.
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In the conversation though. Mahomes, of course, yeah.
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Did he ever leave? No.
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No, maybe in the middle of the household, but at other places,
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not so much. Baker doing it now with an
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offensive line. That was so I was watching what?
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Excuse me, the the 4th guard of the season right guard came in
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for the Buccaneers and the commentator said I don't even
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know who's going to come in. Like it's at that point is that
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laughable? They're to their 4th right guard
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of. Like Iowa states kicker the six
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foot 8300 and get it off. What was the kids name that came
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in to kick? I don't.
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Is it Dylan? He's a kid from up there.
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He's a small kid, town kid from up there, Offensive lineman in
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there. 6-8 is that what he is? He's big dude, Big dude coming
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in to kick. Three bills plus, I mean, it
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looked like a high school game where he had.
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He did kick off once. He did kick off once and the
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ball went didn't get any height to it.
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He was getting kicking 30 yarders in pregame.
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I think Alec maybe had that. I saw one of the commentators
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had that before the game. But you know, back to the
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Buccaneers now. You do it, you lose a Buca.
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In the middle of the game. Hamstring, yeah.
19:08
And did you see the was it Tez Johnson, the kid that had caught
19:11
the big pass for them? He's we're sort of like their
19:13
six wide receiver after the game.
19:16
He's watching Green Bay until late in late in the day.
19:18
Oh, you were hoping. No, I just.
19:20
You're rooting against me, weren't you?
19:21
No, I didn't want to put YouTube on.
19:24
I see this quote from Bobby. He's talking to a teammate in
19:28
the sideline. He's like, man, I haven't even
19:29
done anything. They're cheating MVP at him, at
19:31
me, Steve said. No, no, they're they're chanting
19:34
MVP for Baker, not you. He goes, Oh yeah, that makes
19:37
more sense. So he's got a little sense of
19:39
humor. Yes, that was pretty good.
19:41
This this Tampa Bay team, though, they're fun, they're
19:43
entertaining. They.
19:46
Are legit. Are the best team in the NFC.
19:52
Who else would be? Who would you?
19:55
Commanders. Packers Eagles cross them off.
19:59
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm just trying.
20:02
I'm not willing to cross off Seattle.
20:06
So Sam Darnold's gonna take their team to the Super?
20:08
If I would have said that two years ago about Baker Mayfield,
20:11
that's true. They were both air quote busts.
20:15
The last two games of last year are gonna linger for a long time
20:17
for me and Sam Darnold. Yeah.
20:19
And when it gets to that point, he can take Seattle to a
20:22
division championship. He can take him to the playoffs.
20:25
Yeah, but until I see it in that kind of game, what happened in
20:29
final game of the regular season, the first game of the
20:31
playoffs, I struggled to get there with Sam.
20:33
Dart, I wanna put, I wanna leave the lions in the conversation.
20:36
They they ran into a bus all. Last they did.
20:38
They did commanders. Not yet.
20:42
Not yet, not yet. Packers.
20:46
Not really. Something seems off there.
20:48
Yep, I'm with you, something, I'm with you.
20:50
They're three, one and one. I don't like the ramps I did
20:53
before this season. I'm not not in love with the
20:56
Rams. The.
20:56
Fred Warner injury for the 49ers.
20:58
I mean, it goes on top of everything else, right?
21:01
You're just taking it to a complete Fred Warner as a middle
21:04
linebacker. As good as there is.
21:05
The the depth that he gets, the ability to come up and then
21:08
defend the pass, he is, he's just all work for the last what,
21:11
8 years? A middle linebacker just a year
21:13
after you take that away. Good luck, Good luck.
21:17
I'm with you. I there just aren't a whole lot
21:19
of teams to wrap your arms around.
21:21
I I think it's the bucket ears and then a gap.
21:23
Do the AFC. Oh boy, OK.
21:27
You put the Steelers on the list, They're four and one.
21:29
No, I don't either. I don't put them in my top five.
21:31
I don't. I'm with you Colts, that's for
21:34
sure. That was an impressive 1.
21:36
Arizona, Kobe percent. Whatever the reason was to find
21:40
a way to win. Win your clunkers, right?
21:42
That was a clunker, and they found a way to get that done.
21:45
So do you want to put Denver in there because they won a
21:47
clunker? They won one of the worst games
21:49
I've ever seen in the NFL. How do you hold a team to under
21:52
100 yards just to not get 100 yards of offense?
21:56
And what a shoulda coulda yeah what a shoulda coulda yes yeah 9
22:00
sacks of the game he almost loose yes it's I can't put them
22:04
in that tier because yes the win against Eagles was nice
22:08
impressive win, but I have my. Own I'm with you.
22:11
I I do, too. Buffalo's on the list.
22:13
Here's a team I'm going to ask you about.
22:15
Patriots. Look at their schedule.
22:17
Yes. Yeah, they're going to win.
22:19
They're going to win a lot of games, yes, I'm with you on the
22:22
Colts, obviously the Chiefs, Chargers.
22:25
Chiefs are out of the playoffs right now if it started today.
22:28
Good. Let's start today.
22:30
Is there any chance we can? Move that not not going to
22:32
happen. I don't think the NFL is going
22:33
to punt the season to keep Kansas City out.
22:35
Don't think that one's going to happen.
22:37
But yeah, the outside looking in right now are the Caitlin.
22:39
Clark and Taylor Swift's box last.
22:41
Night No. Yeah, first time they showed the
22:44
Taylor Swift's box, they Caitlin Clark was right beside her and
22:49
Tirico pointed at home. Pointed out that might have been
22:52
on baseball at the time, or putting the kids to bed, or
22:54
putting in the shower or bath or whatever.
22:55
What's you think of the baseball game last night?
22:57
I thought it was going to be 100 and nothing.
22:58
Toronto after Springer hit the first pitch.
23:01
Here we go. Yeah.
23:03
And then they got one more hit. What?
23:04
Yeah, to hold the game. Yes.
23:06
In the game, Miller, that was a goody performance.
23:09
He was really, he's not a strikeout guy.
23:11
He just found a way. I liked Seattle going into the
23:15
game. I did too.
23:16
I thought the layoff might have been an impactful kind of
23:18
carrying that momentum over, but it's not a game where you had to
23:22
go right away. You know, you didn't have to
23:23
play the next game. They I thought that's.
23:25
Why? I thought Seattle was going to
23:26
be fine. Yeah.
23:27
And obviously that they were trial and trouble.
23:30
I mean, is it panic button time? Well, after you, you savage
23:34
pitches today and he's due for about, I hate to say it, you
23:37
can't be this good. Baseball's a tough game to play
23:41
and he's owned it. What about the National League?
23:46
You want to give Milwaukee a? Shot.
23:47
I absolutely want to give Milwaukee a shot.
23:50
There's something we might get Seattle in Milwaukee.
23:55
Great for fans. It's great.
23:56
I love. It something new.
23:58
Baseball's not rooting for that. No, no, no, no.
24:02
They want the Dodgers. There.
24:03
They want honey there. Yes, absolutely.
24:05
They want Dodgers against Seattle because they don't want
24:09
the Canadian team in there. Doesn't matter, doesn't matter
24:11
in the meter. We'll take a time.
24:13
I will come back. Scott Dockerman is going to join
24:14
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24:44
back. Iowa Sports Radio Network.
24:46
Trent Condon, Ken Miller, we are here until 2O clock.
24:49
Let's get to our friend Scott, Doctor Mooney, he covers college
24:52
football for The Athletic. He joins us.
24:54
He was in Madison on Saturday night.
24:57
We'll get to that in a second. Doc, good to speak with you.
25:00
I appreciate you coming on as always.
25:02
I guess we have to start with James Franklin.
25:04
And just where does Penn State go from here?
25:06
Why now? Why do you think they did it?
25:09
Span of 13 days from the double overtime loss to the UCLA to
25:13
debacle to Northwestern pushing them around at home.
25:18
Just crazy that it could have happened this quick.
25:21
Not saying was the wrong decision Doc, just just what
25:25
what a difference two weeks can make.
25:28
Yeah, they were winning in overtime against Oregon in a
25:31
Saturday night game where you felt like, OK, if they hold on,
25:35
they're, they're going to be the, you know, you know,
25:38
potentially #1 or #2 and set up a one versus 2 game against Ohio
25:43
State to lose an at UCLA and then home against Northwest.
25:48
It's, it seems obvious to me, you know, this.
25:50
I listened to the press conference this morning.
25:52
And you know what, what isn't being said is it's just the
25:56
donors are tapped out on Franklin and, and you've got to
26:00
have that trust factor and, and he's built equity and being a
26:04
good program, but they just can't take the next step.
26:08
And at Penn State, you've got to take the next step once in a
26:10
while. And every time they've come
26:12
close or you think they're going to get to that next level, they
26:17
fall short. And I, I point to 2017 when they
26:20
had Saquon Barkley and they were in the top five and they never
26:24
quite got there. And then 2021 when they came to
26:26
Kinnick and it was a three versus 4 game and they ended up
26:30
7 and six. And, and I think this year was
26:33
obviously shaping up to be the same, probably way more
26:36
disappointing than even the previous two.
26:38
So I don't know that you can convince people in today's era,
26:42
the NIL era and then the transfer portal era that, that
26:45
you're going to be able to, to continue to, to hop back on that
26:48
horse the way you did kind of before everything went down.
26:51
So it, it seems like people are starting to tap out.
26:54
The mood was getting really surly and they they did what
26:58
they did. On the local front, is this a
27:00
good thing or a bad thing for Iowa to have Penn State coming
27:03
in? We saw Happy with UCLA after
27:05
Foster got fired, and they look like a completely different
27:08
thing from the Hawkeye perspective.
27:10
Is it good news that Franklin is gone or bad news?
27:13
It's a great question. I think it comes down to how
27:16
does Penn State compete emotionally and how do they, how
27:21
do they prepare and compete fundamentally because they've
27:24
been bad fundamentally. They have an incredible amount
27:27
of talent. Their talent is way better than
27:28
Iowa, so it's not close. However, they have been pushed
27:32
around on both sides of the ball, offensive line, defensive
27:35
line, and they shouldn't be doing that because they are
27:37
really good. They have good players, I should
27:39
say, and yet they have not really performed up to
27:42
expectations even in those three layup games that they had in the
27:46
non conference. I mean they didn't play very
27:48
well. So I think you know that that's
27:50
the thing with emotional teams. I think we saw it a little bit
27:53
with Wisconsin on Saturday is emotionally carries you a little
27:56
bit far. And then once you get punched in
27:58
the mouth, how do your fundamentals react?
28:00
And I think for Iowa, it's, you know, be aggressive early.
28:05
And I'm not saying be aggressive like throw on 4th and five or
28:08
anything. I just mean be very physical
28:10
with them and power past them to the point where their their
28:14
emotions are gone and then it's, you know, then then forget it.
28:18
And I think that and ultimately I think it's probably a good
28:21
thing, but I think a bigger deal is Drew Al or not being there.
28:24
For sure, no doubt about it. Well, let's let's take a look at
28:28
Saturday night. Obviously, Wisconsin doc I I'm
28:31
sure that there are other examples of teams who, you know,
28:34
once we're kind of revered as one of those teams that we're
28:37
going to have to beat this team. And if you want to get to to
28:40
where you want to get to, you're going to have to get through
28:42
this team at some point. Wisconsin was always one of
28:44
those teams, whether it be in the, you know, the division of
28:47
the Big 10 or what have you. I can't believe how far they
28:50
have fallen. Doc.
28:51
That was an embarrassingly bad performance out of Wisconsin.
28:54
I want to give Iowa more credit, I do, but it was just awful
28:58
watching this Wisconsin team or what's was was one of the upper
29:02
echelon teams in the conference. It's a shocker and it was a
29:06
shocker earlier in the year when I'm watching them think play
29:09
like Miami of Ohio and they won like 17 and nothing.
29:12
But it was just they were lifeless on offense.
29:15
And then the Maryland game. But coming into Iowa, they put
29:18
every chip in that basket. You know, from January on, you
29:22
know, 42 to 10 that we should never be beaten by Iowa, 42 to
29:26
10. They're going to do 42 push ups
29:28
in the preseason after every practice to get ready for this.
29:32
And all of that emotion mattered 0 because I was motivated too.
29:36
It is a rivalry game after all. And, and they wanted to go and,
29:40
and, and run him over like a Zamboni, which they did on both
29:43
sides of the ball. But I it, it's, it's hard to
29:45
remember A-Team that's fallen this far this fast.
29:48
And then their future schedule, You know, they play, they only
29:51
play #1 Ohio State this week, then they play Oregon, then
29:54
Washington IN which may be the best team in the country right
29:57
now, Illinois, who I still think is pretty decent.
30:01
And then they wrap up with Minnesota.
30:03
And I don't think the Gophers will take it easy on him either.
30:05
And, and so I, I mean, when you look at that, I, I, I said it
30:09
last week that I would be more surprised if they beat Iowa than
30:13
I would if they go, oh, and nine and the big 10.
30:16
And, and I think what it is, it's a it's a, it's a cautionary
30:20
tale for Iowa because we know the Kirk Ference era isn't going
30:24
to last forever. And when they do hire a new
30:27
coach, you've got to remain true to your identity as a program.
30:32
And no matter who's calling the plays, I mean, you can do things
30:35
out of it that's different, but you don't want to get to a
30:38
position to where you stray from who you are as a program.
30:42
I think Chris Klein did an outstanding job at Kansas State
30:45
of doing that of of maintaining, but you're doing his own tweaks,
30:49
but maintaining the principles. Luke Fickle did a horrible job
30:52
of that because Wisconsin was always known for outstanding
30:55
defense and they were gap sound and their integrity was great.
30:59
They were they were very physical and then their
31:02
offensive line as we know was blew people off the ball and
31:04
they had a great running back. They are none of those things
31:06
right now. And and when you lose it, then
31:10
you allow everybody else to fill that vacuum like like Iowa and
31:13
the Chicagoland or Indiana across the board.
31:15
And it is really tough to get it back now.
31:18
They can, but it's going to take a lot of time, I think.
31:21
And a cautionary tale for Iowa whenever Kirk Ference hangs it
31:24
up. I definitely remember what we've
31:26
seen out of the Badgers last week.
31:28
He had a fun article up at the Athletic, the Beer Highway.
31:32
Take us into that one a little bit, Doc.
31:33
And we know that you like to imbibe and you enjoy yourself a
31:36
a cold 1. So take us into the Beer
31:38
Highway. Yeah, thanks.
31:41
It was, It's an idea that I've had for a while because I just,
31:45
you know, this the, the route, you know, from Iowa City to
31:48
Madison is, is filled with, well, with beer.
31:51
I mean, especially you get to Dubuque across the river and
31:55
into the Wisconsin. And, and so I, I kind of wanted
31:59
to, to take a take everybody through this area.
32:02
That's a little bit different. Not not exactly a traditional
32:05
story, but what is life like when I was football connect
32:08
everybody and then what's, you know, how does beer kind of
32:12
impact it? And I, I thought, you know, I
32:15
wanted to hit as many spots as I could.
32:17
I figured 5 was a good spot with Dubuque kind of being the
32:20
centrally located one. But, and then there are others.
32:24
I mean, I could have definitely throughout the course.
32:27
Potosi, Wisconsin was one thought about.
32:30
But overall it, it was a lot of fun to be able to do that and
32:34
catch up with my old battery mate, Martin Morehouse.
32:36
I figured there's nobody who I know who knows Dubuque Beer and
32:43
I Wisconsin more than him. So I thought that was he was
32:46
really fun to catch up with him and go around.
32:49
And as you can imagine, I left a lot on the cutting room floor.
32:51
But overall, it was, it was a lot of fun to be able to write
32:54
that. And Doc, I'm one that likes to
32:57
read the comments afterwards and just the positive comments and
33:00
how I've been down that road. Oh, I miss it.
33:03
That's what struck me, Doc, is how you struck a nerve with so a
33:06
positive nerve with so many people in that piece.
33:10
Well, that's great. And, you know, I, I, I usually
33:12
stay away from them because I did like Bolt or CFP projections
33:16
this weekend. And I know we come.
33:18
So I'm like, I'm not even going to pay attention, you know.
33:21
But with, with this one, it was, it's fun because, yeah, that's
33:25
one thing about football that we all should understand is that I,
33:30
I think, you know, we got 2 pretty good programs in this
33:32
state that I don't know that either one of them is going to
33:35
really get a chance to win a national title at, you know,
33:38
anytime soon. But the experiences that you
33:41
have with football and with everything that goes around with
33:44
it is something that everybody holds dear.
33:46
I mean, you remember your, your all day tailgate at Jack Trice
33:49
or at at Kinnock Stadium or when the trip up to Madison or or
33:54
whatever. And those are the things that
33:55
stick with you, the memories even more so than the wins and
33:58
losses. And and I hope that everybody
34:01
kind of enjoys that aspect of it because it's certainly, you
34:04
know, whether it's I wrote Iowa State is Bush like you about 5
34:07
or 6 years ago. And I love that.
34:09
And and this one was certainly fun too.
34:11
You mentioned your article, the latest at The Athletic as you
34:14
put together the bracket as it's currently constructed, looking
34:18
forward, are we trending to another season?
34:21
We're trying to figure out that nine and three team to maybe nab
34:23
the last at large spot. Is it feel like with kind of the
34:26
jumbled mess that is the SEC, maybe the Big 10's going to turn
34:29
out the same way that it's going to be back arguing about a nine
34:32
and three team getting in? Yeah, I think so.
34:35
And, and I think this is, it's going to be tough for tougher
34:38
for a Big 12 and an ACC team to, to breakthrough that because
34:42
when you start to look at the SEC, there's, there's seven or
34:45
eight teams and they're all ranked.
34:46
And, and The thing is, they're all pretty decent.
34:49
And I think in the Big 10, there's a cut off after the top
34:52
three. But, but I think you've got
34:53
about three or four teams that kind of enter that discussion or
34:57
could enter that discussion at 9:00 and 3:00.
34:59
You know, whether it's USC or maybe Illinois gets back into
35:03
it, Michigan, if they went out and beat their friends from
35:07
Columbus or, or potentially even Iowa, if, if Iowa gets on a roll
35:11
here, I think all of them could enter that conversation.
35:13
So it's it's something that I think that is going to happen.
35:18
It's gonna be a trigger point. And I wonder if let's say the
35:23
6th, you know, SEC team gets in and it's a nine and three team
35:28
and over a say 11 and 2 Georgia Tech or, you know, whoever's
35:33
second in the Big 12. If that shifts the the thought
35:37
process for Jim Phillips, for Brett, your mark, you know,
35:41
maybe we need to to look at more guarantees going forward.
35:44
And then I think that's something that's they they need
35:47
to really consider because otherwise you're going to get
35:50
shut down, especially with the SEC going to 9 games because
35:53
then you might get an 8 and four team in that conversation.
35:56
Is USC Notre Dame a playoff game this week?
35:58
Doc Seems like it is for Notre Dame.
36:02
It is for Notre Dame for sure. I mean, I Notre Dame has two
36:04
quality losses, but you look at that schedule, they don't have
36:07
any quality wins ahead of them and they could be tended to.
36:11
And, you know, even if they beat SC, you know, 2724 doesn't
36:15
guarantee them anything. Again, with that SEC schedule.
36:18
And and again, some of these other teams in the Big 10, you
36:20
know, can really enter that fray, but they'll get the
36:23
benefit of the doubt on name recognition, but probably not
36:26
much else. And then so, yeah, I believe
36:28
definitely for the Irish and I think for for USC it it's their
36:33
last gasp because then that would give them their second
36:35
lost and then they're going to have to beat somebody like
36:37
Oregon to make sure that they they put themselves in that
36:40
position. Scott Dockerman joining us.
36:43
Great stuff, Doc. I loved your piece on the the
36:46
Beer Highway and and obviously I look forward to your College
36:49
Football Playoff bracket each and every Monday.
36:51
Doc. We'll talk to you next Monday if
36:53
your schedule allows. Thank you, Scott.
36:54
Appreciate it as always. OK.
36:57
Have a good one guys. Thank you.
36:58
Very much Scott Dockerman from the athletic as we take a look
37:01
back at Wisconsin, Iowa, Big 10 and college football in general.
37:05
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37:25
that so Frank Franklin out is ruled is he the I mean, should
37:30
he be the favorite? I believe he is the favorite.
37:33
He's the betting favorite. Walked down to Penn State, A lot
37:35
of connections there. His good buddies the AD
37:38
absolutely together a temple. Yep, I mean just a whole lot of
37:42
dots. What?
37:42
Does that, What does that do for the fan base?
37:45
A Penn State. Yes.
37:46
I think they look at the reclamation projects one of
37:49
their own I that very well could help.
37:52
I don't have a great feel big. 10 hasn't gone well.
37:56
For rule. For rule, there's 65 and one
37:59
this year. This year, but.
38:00
Overall, yeah, it was a rebuild. That program was garbage.
38:03
Yeah. And he's pulling them out.
38:06
I got. To a bowl game last.
38:07
Year. Yeah.
38:07
First time in how long? Long time, Yeah.
38:10
I mean, we can't think of Nebraska like we think of
38:12
Nebraska. We have to think of it.
38:13
What the program actually? Is that's fair?
38:15
Yep, that's fair. Matt Campbell's on the list.
38:18
He's behind Rule and Signetti. And people nationally said
38:22
there's only a few jobs that Matt Campbell would entertain.
38:25
It's got to be a blue blood. And he entertained USC.
38:28
He did it was it got to the doorstep.
38:31
Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, USC, those are the kind
38:35
of programs he's not leaving for Indiana.
38:38
Fact, he's open if Signetti goes there.
38:40
Who is a Pennsylvania guy, by the way?
38:42
He's not leaving for a mini step.
38:44
Does Signetti's age work against him at this point?
38:47
Because rules what? 50 ish I don't think you can
38:50
look at age. He's 63, Signetti.
38:53
If he again, it's about delivering a national
38:55
championship, what he's doing at Indiana.
38:58
Are they the best team in the country?
39:01
They have the best resume in the country.
39:02
They do. They do.
39:04
There's nobody that has a better win, I thought.
39:06
Oregon would get him, I thought. Oregon would get him.
39:08
And then Iowa wins. Looking better.
39:10
Oh man. You mean the potential of an I
39:14
will win? No, the four Indiana.
39:16
Oh, I see what you say. Yeah, all of a sudden it does
39:18
look better if they can be Penn State, too.
39:20
Yep, man, he's he's he's miracle workers.
39:25
What he is their? Overall roster rankings from one
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