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Marvel's Echo - Episodes 1 - 3 Series Review · For All Nerds Show

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  It's a new year. We got a lot of things to do. But
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  right now, like I said before, this is a very special episode because
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  we were privileged. Bit shout outs to you know, the big dogs over
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  at Disney. Mickey started acting right. Yes, Big Mickey has been.
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  I mean, Big Mickey's always acting right. Look, Hey, I got
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  I mean, I don't know about that. Look, I got no plans
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  over here, you know what I mean. I ain't trying to, you
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  know, lose these front row seats, as they say. So, Big
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  Mickey sent us the first three episodes of Echo, which will premiere for the
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  first time ever on Disney Plus and Hulu at the same time January ninth,
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  all five episodes. It's a mini series. It's from Marvel's new series which
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  they are calling Marvel Spotlight, which is those three comments. Is a series
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  in Marvel where they spotlight certain characters. Obviously, so this will be a
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  spotlight where it's like in the MCU, but not where you need to catch
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  up on everything or not so much related to the main storyline that's going on,
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  which who the hell knows what it is the main storyline right now in
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  the MCU you know right well, who knows what it is? But I
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  mean it's very clearly positive directly within the timeline because from the very first episode,
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  the pilot episode, they include Daredevil. Then everyone's seen this. This
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  is actually common knowledge right now and includes Daredevil. You actually also see Hawk
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  Eye slash thrown in, so it very clearly says, you know, while
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  to your point, this is a spotlight like this is kind of like its
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  own standalone, which we interesting in love. You and I have been talking
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  about that, how we want to see more Disney bud shows that can stand
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  on its own and not have to be a commercial for something else, right
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  which this is not. This is literally a story and an introduction of an
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  upcoming anti hero. I don't know of us so far echo so far,
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  I mean dead has I don't know you? Season two is leaning Shorty is
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  already like, nah, that's not good enough for me. Let me be
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  blatant about that. Yeah, that's all light, you know, that's real
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  light what you're doing over there. Let me be real upfront about what I'm
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  about. Yeah, yeah, So, so the fact is it is very
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  clearly like, yo, this is canon. This is part of the time
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  in some way, shape or form. But to Ben's point, wherever the
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  hell the time it is right now? Just in terms of like what's going
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  on in the MCU, you know, there's a lot of things being juggled
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  around for obvious reasons that we've talked about in our other episodes. If you
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  actually go back at least one or two episodes, you'll see we had a
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  big conversation about all the changes going on in the MCU, So make sure
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  you listen to that Living under a big ass rock. That And if you've
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  watched any of the recent films, particularly the Marvels, you've seen at the
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  end of that and in the post credit scene, you've seen that where they're
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  going in terms of the introduction of X Men and really kind of formally linking
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  everybody up together. And then we're going to see more of that later in
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  the future when we see Deadpool and and Wolverine and all that. I don't
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  expect Echo to be on the nets of inter scene. No, I don't,
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  I don't, but I don't maybe the Thunderbolts. You know, I
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  don't know what's going on with them, but you know, Steven Young's not
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  even in it no more. Well, I mean there's space for a new
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  character to be in. That's why we said, we don't know what's going
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  on in MC, but things are going on. There's stuff happening. But
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  as Ben I mean said, this is Echo. We were privileged to see
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  episodes three out of five. So the first three episodes we sink ye and
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  we could tell you all about it, about what we felt, what we
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  thought about the characters, what we feel about the characterization of Echo herself,
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  and everything in between. I do want to say that I really appreciate it
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  and love that this is very deeply rooted in indigenous culture, specifically for this
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  version of the character, the Choctaw nation, and everyone who's involved in the
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  cast and crew. Generally everyone has some type of background or its culturally indigenous.
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  So for example, like we have one of the directors, one of
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  the main directors, Sidney Freeland. She's been a director and writer on Reservation
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  Dog. She was raised in Navajo Nations Navajo Reservation in New Mexico. There's
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  also another director, Katriona Mackenzie, who is Indigenous Australian. So like right
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  away from the top, and we've talked about this, like when we're talking
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  about stories of the people themselves from the very top, not just you know,
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  you have the actors and stuff, but everyone who are making the decision
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  to the people who are writing things like that, the people who have the
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  understanding and the knowledge need to be involved. So right away they're there.
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  Right away, they are there. And yeah, I'm very appeciiti of it
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  that as well, Like you said, this doesn't it's not okay. First
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  of all, one thing, I do want to make sure we are going
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  to have some spoilers in this review. We will be talking about pretty much
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  everything that we've seen. We're not going to give away. You know.
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  I don't really think in the first three episodes there are any major no and
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  that's probably why they let us see the first three, because yeah, there's
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  nothing that is expressing the first three that is going to give away the huge
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  story or whatever that big kick is at the end of episode five, whatever
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  that will be. Like, this is all lead up, and so so
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  I think no matter what we say, you'll get a good sense of what
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  the show is about. But you're not gonna give away what that end of
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  the I don't know what that's called. But that power then, like,
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  I don't think we're going to give that, oh, the cliffhanger at the
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  end of episode three, if there's a cliff finger, yeah, I don't
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  rethink of that as a tru think that might be a cliffanger. I just
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  yeah, it was something important's gonna happen. Yeah, I mean, it's
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  like, oh shit, I can't wait for four. But at the same
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  time, you knew this was coming what happens in the episode three, so
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  it's not like, yeah, that was not a big cliffhanger at all,
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  I think. And since we are getting in slight spoiler tailor toy right here,
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  I will say that I think the biggest spoilersh thing about this series is
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  the fact that Echo does seem to have some sort of superpower, and it's
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  not the superpower that we've seen her have before. If you're a comic reader
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  where she's like a task Master character, where anything she sees she can immediately
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  echo. So when she sees Captain America throw his shield, she can throw
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  a shield like Captain America. She could fight like Darred that will when she
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  sees him fight things of that nature. That has not been what she's doing
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  in this series. In this series, later on in the first episode,
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  she starts developing some sort of superpower which seems to be super strength at the
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  beginning, maybe like you know, just superhuman. I liken it too and
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  again and this is also a Hatch and Ben. We'll talk about this later.
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  This is also attached to some cultural aspects of Choctaw nation. But how
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  they're explaining it, it reminded me, just to give you guys something simple.
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  It reminded me of Avatar, where like you're tapping into the the powers
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  of your ancestors or sex. Right. So I so when you said,
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  like when you said super strength, yes, you can say she may have
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  some ascetual strange but the way that they display it is like she's tapping into
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  the powers of her lineage. So there is a for example, there is
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  a ancestor of hers that was basically like a dead shot, like cant fucking
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  shoot anything, have crazy aim bullseye type shit, right ye, Like,
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  so she utilizes that, right, Like somehow that connection comes up. It's
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  like when you need it, you're able to tap into it and utilize it,
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  and you know, so on and so forth. So I think it's
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  more like a mixture of that. And in that way, I'm just realizing
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  as you're saying that it is she's really living up to her name. She
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  is an echo of her ancest of her ancestors, an echo of her past,
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  which is a fireflip. I will say that that's that's a crazy flip
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  because I expected the comboo version that even though I don't know a lot about
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  Uncle, I didn't realize and know I I thought from the books that she
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  was like if you pay tech and she's like a Mochugen type character, where
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  that that character can just any once she sees your fighting style, she got
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  that and she's gonna flip it on you, right like they they they they
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  flip this in a now that we've seen what we've seen and really is very
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  clever and very cultural and also very respectful way. That makes sense very much.
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  So No, I definitely, you know, f with it something serious.
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  I really like how she's bringing up all these aspects, like it seems
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  like every every episode we get to see a different one of her ancestors,
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  and how it can benefit her. Like you said, we see the dead
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  shot, we see the strength, we see the strangers coming from all of
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  our ancestors. So all of that is really dope. How they're using the
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  chop Taw nation itself is very fire to me. I love some of the
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  references that we get to see in the episodes, like we see the characters
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  in her past playing, because there's a lot of like I'll say this,
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  the first episode opens and I'm like, am I watching Lost over here?
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  Because it definitely gave me feelings of loss. Yeah, it was like,
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  what's going on? You've seen the ending especially have Lost. There's like a
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  lot of pools of water and mysticism evolved, and I'm like, damn,
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  this feels like Lost. And so I love that how it took me somewhere
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  I wasn't expecting and then brought it right back to the street echo that we
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  know. So I was loving all of that. I will get to all
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  the chop tall stuff in the second but I do want to say off the
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  rip, I loved the use of Daredevil in this, and I think from
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  what I've heard, that's pretty much the only scene that we're going to have
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  on Dair Levil in the part of yeah, and I'm fine with that,
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  but I love to see Daredevil actually be more like the dar level from the
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  comics. Like when my Man jumped over that gate, I was like,
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  Yo, there we go. That's the Day level, I know, you
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  know, not the Hallway fight and all that different. The Netflix is classic,
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  but it's still more street. It's still not like slightly superhuman, which
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  is what Darre level should be to me. Yeah, I mean I was
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  getting good Netflix vibes, like, yes, the fact that first of all
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  over back to grounded characters. By grounded, I mean characters that are not
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  steeped in their own I don't want to say be their gods, right like
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  they they're not necessarily have or But we're going to see some from Echo obviously,
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  but most of these cases are just quote just humans, right, so,
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  but they they're they're superpowered in other ways, they're superpowered and less uh
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  magical or missicism type ways. Again, with the exception of Echo, you
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  see, as you mentioned Daredevil, you know, he's doing his coprella type
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  stuff right like he's he's actually doing his fighting styles and it's more down to
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  earth. You know. What we saw in the other Netflix series we saw
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  with Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Punisher and all this other stuff. So I
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  was happy to see that because it gave me more grittiness. It gave me
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  more okay almost in a way believable right to see that type of thing,
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  like, Okay, if this guy had this fit, like how we you
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  know, just like when you saw the Netflix series when Man's got hurt,
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  Man's got hurt, Like Man's was beat down. Man's was down bad,
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  and he didn't just magically okay the next day, like he was fucked up
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  for a while. And that's what I mean when I say it's more down
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  to earth, it's more real. So you get to see a lot of
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  that. You get to see a lot of and it's still superheroic because Echo
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  super heroic. Yeah. Echo definitely survives things that would you know, do
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  in a normal person with no problem ancestors. But the ancestors there's also a
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  lot of convenience. You know, there's a lot of convenience in luck to
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  her survive in these three episodes that we've seen. Yeah, because there was
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  one moment where I'm like, wow, that's super convenient for it to be
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  that part you know of our body and not another part because otherwise she did
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  you know right then and there. But I do love like that first fight
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  scene we were talking about where Devil they're double busting. Before that, we
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  get this pretty much long one shot. There are definitely some cuts in it,
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  but it was very well done. Just you know, people talk about
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  this when they hear our reviews. How sometimes are like, oh, this
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  is too violent whatever, et cetera, et cetera. I don't give a
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  shit about it on this one, Like, this is the violent level that
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  I needed so far she straight or breaking that snapping necks. Yeah, I
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  gotta be honest with you, it didn't feel And maybe because I've seen so
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  much hypervalance, but yes, this series, and I understand that that's part
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  of the selling point too. They're saying, oh, it was the first
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  A series and contro audience series. It wasn't that violent to me now,
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  And then, I mean, we've seen a lot of violence, I think,
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  And I was gonna say, I think it's because I like, right
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  now we're in the Age of the Boys level of violence, of on screen
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  invincible level of violence, even though even being animated the fact is that that's
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  hyper like gen v like, to me, that is the epit to me,
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  and I'm sure it's worse, but I'm not here to have violence Olympics.
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  I'm just saying from what I've seen, that's one of the worst levels
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  of vice marathons. So while violent things aren't happening, and Echo is and
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  and yes you've seen the blood splat and you've seen niggas get get snapped,
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  you know, like like a fucking pair of oncooked spaghetti. I get it.
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  I still like, it wasn't that bad. And again, relatively speaking
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  from what I've seen, it was. It was violent, but it was
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  everything else on Disney Plus. But it wasn't like, oh my god,
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  the man's eyeball got you know, squeezed out his head or nothing like that.
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  That's what I mean, Like, it's not a Gore level of violence,
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  if that makes sense. Yeah, it's it's definitely not very I mean
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  Echo being there's blood, but it's not like, for example, at the
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  end of and that's one thing I loved about the first episode because it carries
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  off right where it left off on Hawkeye and then you so you have imagery
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  of stuff from Hawk Eye as he mentioned Deedreyl was there. You see her,
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  remember she shot or it was implied as she shot Fisk, and you
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  actually see it happening, but you don't see it happening like you see her
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  pull the trigger, but you don't see the bullet go through his eye and
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  stuff by violent like you would see on The Boys for example, Right,
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  you don't see that, And that's what I mean, like there's still implied
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  violence as well. You did hear that body thump? I wasn't sure.
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  I think they gave us the body thump on. I don't know if I
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  heard the body thought, I just remember the shot. Yeah, well they
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  gave you the body thump on here to made sure, which is fine.
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  But what is that that's implied violence. You're not seeing all the gore to
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  it, So maybe that's that's a better way for me explain it. It's
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  not gore violence. It's violence violence, it's regular violence. But it's not
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  that it's just not this this stepped up level that you've been seeing in some
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  other shows. No, it's definitely highly violent. Though for if you have
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  young children, this is not the shows a child show, No, not
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  at all. I would say that, but it's not something due to the
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  fact that I grew up seeing hyper violence and throughout my life I've seen hyper
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  violence and there's something to be said for that, right because it's still to
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  me it's interesting, like I've seen violence in real life, and when I
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  see violence in real life, it affects me in a different way than anything
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  I've ever seen on screen, as it should. It affects me completely different,
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  completely differently, and that's so interesting to me. Even like the other
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  day I turned on the NFL and this dude gets hit and they had to
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  bring an ambulance out and it was terrible and I had to turn the game
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  off right away. I'm like, I can't watch this. This is like
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  ridiculous because you know it's real life, but you know, you watch the
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  Game of Thrones where man's it's hand cut off and gets flayed, and all
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  that hand cut off still fucked me up. Though I cannot lie to this
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  day that imagery is something I did not need to see. Yeah, yeah,
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  I just again, I just think that shielding of this isn't real at
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  the end of the day, Like, yeah, still may be into it,
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  still may be a very good in death story, but you still know
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  this isn't real. I'm gonna put on mind I'm watching a show hat right,
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  because you know you can turn it off, you know you can pause
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  it, you know you can step away, versus when stuff happens in real
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  life. You said, whether you're watching NFL, you in the street and
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  a car accident happens, you can't stop it. You have this is literally
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  like, oh my god, you're in it or you're experiencing it. And
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  I think that's what makes the difference, that the visceral tone of something happening
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  in front of you in real life that you have no control or can't necessarily
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  stop it. Could you step away from the TV with the whole NFL thing,
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  Yes, you could, But that doesn't make it not happen, right,
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  It's still happening. We know that these people in this show aren't actually
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  flipped upside down, aren't actually being spaghettified or whatever, right like that,
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  And I think our brains can actually recognize that. But I also think there's
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  something to be said for how much violence we consume, where our brains have
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  to differentiate between these two. Yeah, and and what you were gonna kind
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  of alluding to the fact that being desensitized, like for me to even say,
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  oh, it's not that bad, like, yeah, I've been desensitized
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  from an entertainment perspective, yes, what I consider a lot versus not so
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  all that to say, no, your child should not be watching this,
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  not at all. Not. However, if you are afraid, like,
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  oh, is it like gory? Wow like that. No, it's not
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  glory. And I would say, if you watch Daredevil, you're gonna be
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  all right. If you watch any of the Netflix series, you're gonna be
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  all right. And this might be problematic, but by like ten or eleven,
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  I would have seen way worse than this in my life. So yeah,
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  definitely, I was watching die Hard and Commando. But you was growing
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  up with like the shit that be happening in the eighties. Yeah, like
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  that ship was wild. It's yeah, fucking last Key kids man just doing
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  whatever the fuck cocaine was out on the streets. Yeah, it was seen
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  a lot, you know. Yeah, just just another just some more just
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  set up for this, Like this is the first MCU series that they say
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  it's gonna follow the Bingerlies model, so you're getting all the episodes at once.
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  I have mentioned just from the top through the cast that it's filled with
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  indigenous peoples, including one very particular show that a great deal of actors have
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  been coming from. That show is one of our favorite. Reservation Dogs.
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  Let's stop right here. If you have not seen Reservation Dogs, it's on
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  Hulu, So if you're watching this, you can watch it. Please,
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  I implore you. It is literally and since I'm caught up on the bear,
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  everybody talking about the bear and the bear is up there. But Reservation
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  Dogs are still hands down one of the greatest shows and a perfect show.
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  I still have two episodes left because it's so heartbreaking to me that this is
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  the final season and that I won't get to be of these characters anymore,
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  and every I cannot think. It's like, you know, there's shows like
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  Reservation Dogs and or Atlanta which are perfect, Like Andrew's only one season so
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  far, so I don't know how they're gonna do it the second. But
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  you know, Atlanta Reservation Dolls, which is me, are just perfect shows
• 21:07
  from beginning to end. And I have really like no notes other than y'all
• 21:12
  should watch it. Yeah, yeah, So please watch Reservation Dogs after you
• 21:18
  finished watching The Echo and after you finished watching this review. Because you'll appreciate
• 21:22
  all these actors even more so once you see them in these different roles.
• 21:26
  Yeah, so just to the name a few, like you have Deverie Jacobs
• 21:30
  who plays Laura and Reservation Dogs. She's also in this show as Bonnie.
• 21:36
  My fave Zoon McLaren and Zombie and everything bro. So he's in this he
• 21:38
  played Big the Graham Green who played Maximus, He's in it. Like there's
• 21:45
  mad people from Reservation Dogs. And also even Sidney Freeland, one of the
• 21:49
  directors, Like she was a director and writer on Reservation Dogs. So you
• 21:53
  know, I love the fact that, like that's kind of like a tight
• 21:56
  knit family too, right, you have a family for this show that's coming
• 21:59
  over, Like hey, yo, we're pulling everybody up with us. And
• 22:03
  Devere who plays Bonnie is one of my favorites from Reservation Dolls. Like she's
• 22:07
  such a beast on that show, and so I'm way glad to see her
• 22:11
  get another role where she can shine. I mean, I think all the
• 22:15
  the main four cast of Reservation Dogs needs to get roles for the rest of
• 22:19
  their life. I'm hoping they do because they're all fucking amazing young actors.
• 22:23
  So I'm glad to see them. Yeah, yeah, And as we continue
• 22:27
  on, just talk about a lockwall like a loqua. I feel. Shela
• 22:30
  Cox, who plays Echo, she's been killing this role since she's heared in
• 22:34
  Hawkeye. She is the first disabled actress to play a lead, a titular
• 22:38
  leading character in a Marvel Studeel production. She was born deaf, just like
• 22:42
  Echo in the comics, and she has a prosthetic leg. She's I mean,
• 22:48
  I will say this, and I think we all said this. A
• 22:51
  lot of people say this. We were like, what the fuck you know
• 22:55
  Echo? For real? Like even after watching the Hawkeye I was like,
• 22:57
  I don't know. It was one of the like why this character? Yeah,
• 23:02
  it's not a headlining character, but then you can look again. We
• 23:06
  had that argument twenty years or fifteen, twenty years ago when you said with
• 23:08
  iron Man, like not a headlined character, even though I knew, I
• 23:12
  love I mean, I grew up reading iron Man comics when a lot of
• 23:18
  people do so. Iron Man was one of my favorite characters. But but
• 23:21
  he but he was like what he was fucking eighth string at that time,
• 23:25
  right, let's give him a little better third string. He was always an
• 23:29
  a visual second second string, the number one stuff Marvel number one string is
• 23:34
  X Men Spider Man. Okay, so at the time years ago, third
• 23:44
  suspect that is Mass wasn't starting five, not at all. There's a lot
• 23:51
  of X Men similarly, like you just wouldn't think of Echo like you're However,
• 23:59
  when you with the way she's characterized in this series, and again you
• 24:03
  are getting an origin story. Here, we are getting the depths of the
• 24:07
  origin story. And then when you combine that with what we do know from
• 24:11
  the comic books, it's making sense. Remember when we first started this right
• 24:15
  now, talking to you guys right now, we said, hey, we
• 24:18
  don't know what's going with the MCU, but X Men Echo is steeped like
• 24:23
  a motherfucker when it comes to X Men, when it comes to Avengers,
• 24:26
  certain brand of Avengers. But the point is she's connected to all these motherfuckers,
• 24:32
  right, So it's gonna be especially with where we think the MCU is
• 24:37
  going, these are easy connections to make while still at the same time being
• 24:40
  true and allowing her to grow within her own story. Yeah, and I
• 24:44
  think that's a good point there is, because I don't think this version is
• 24:47
  going to be the version where it's connected to the' s men, where
• 24:51
  connected to the Avengers. I think this is Echo's own story, and where
• 24:55
  Echo goes from here in the future to MCU will be interesting to see,
• 24:59
  But I do not think it will be the version that you see who becomes
• 25:02
  Thunderbird, who has the Phoenix for us, who has any of that.
• 25:04
  I don't think she gonna meet up with Wolverine anytime soon, none of that
• 25:07
  type of issue. But it could happen. It could and that it could
• 25:12
  either way, and it gives it more credence. Like one your initial question
• 25:15
  of why Echo, there's more credence there too. Why Echo. It's like,
• 25:19
  oh, okay, this is making sense now. And I think also
• 25:22
  the why Echo that we should say is because she is an indigenous character.
• 25:26
  I think that's you would like it to be like that. The reason I
• 25:30
  think that was more the reason than even the men connections, honestly because because
• 25:34
  you got to look at it like this, right, the show had to
• 25:37
  get a pitch, and the pitch seems to be We're gonna do a show
• 25:40
  about you know, indigenous indigenous character and that was like, okay, let's
• 25:45
  do that. So that seems to have been Marvel respons not like we're gonna
• 25:48
  do a show that could have connections to the X Men and all that kind
• 25:49
  of way doesn't the marblem we've seen. So I think the pitch was,
• 25:52
  let's do an indigenous character and Marvel will with that, and because that's that
• 25:56
  is something that even I mean I considered, but I was stilling it like,
• 26:00
  yo, they're given you know, I got the hearten this echo.
• 26:03
  Everybody got it. And now I'm like, Okay, I get it.
• 26:07
  They gave an indigenous characters show and they wanted to do this special spotlight about
• 26:11
  this. And it's also you know, it gives Vincent more time to play
• 26:15
  king Pin, which is also amazing. And I think they really saw I
• 26:22
  think they really saw pronounce. I apologize, Yeah, I really apologize.
• 26:26
  So I really think they saw her potential and even a Deverie I saw her
• 26:32
  on Threads. She was talking about how happy she was to you know that
• 26:36
  this show is coming out and for how you know much she's behind everything and
• 26:41
  the whole production behind it. So I think it was that was the main
• 26:45
  So I'm not trying to be centencesm I just you know, it's a big
• 26:49
  corporation I'm just like, at the end of the day, it's about problems.
• 26:52
  But like, but I really hope that was the reason because of the
• 26:56
  show that would make that would yes, it would make sense. It would
• 27:00
  obviously lean into people who have been targeted in terms of from an entertainment perspective
• 27:04
  as much as they should. And also this kind of FeAs into what they've
• 27:08
  been doing. For example, for what if what of season two they have
• 27:11
  that new heroin kri So, which is an indigenous Cotachi's Mohawks. So I
• 27:17
  really hope that was the case in them soul like that was a smart move.
• 27:19
  There seems to be some money there because like Reservation Dollars so to me,
• 27:25
  ended could have ended perfectly. At the end of season two. I
• 27:27
  thought it was off the fucking perfect culture. Yeah, you know, even
• 27:33
  a culture that you've been done your best to eliminate throughout these years. Oh
• 27:37
  yeah, that's my thing. But you know, because there's still so many
• 27:41
  Indigenous people and so many people who are from indigenous culture, I think there's
• 27:45
  still a lot. Because that's why I think my Reservation Dolls pretty ended the
• 27:48
  season two, but it got a season three and it allowed them to tell
• 27:52
  more stories and still end how they wanted to end, which is rare for
• 27:56
  a series, you know, so rare. I think there is some money
• 28:00
  and some you know, creative power there and that's good to see. And
• 28:03
  having seen the first three episodes, God, damn, I just hope we're
• 28:07
  getting al I just hope I've run out that this even close to right sounds
• 28:15
  like, yeah, a lock with something, but I don't know. All
• 28:19
  right, I'm gonna go with a locker for now. And I think she's
• 28:23
  doing it in a way that we really did not get to see during the
• 28:26
  Hawke Eves series, in a way that I'm really happy to see here because
• 28:32
  she's killing it. She's killing it being able to translate all her emotion without
• 28:37
  speaking in at all, you know, and then speaking through sign language,
• 28:42
  which something that ies were you know, if you were have no clue what
• 28:45
  she's signing, but I can still get her emotion and everything and the intensity
• 28:51
  that she's bringing to that. That's a very fucking difficult thing to do,
• 28:56
  and she's doing it so well, so I mean it's difficult for able to
• 29:00
  actors to do it. Let yes, you know what I'm saying. Like,
• 29:03
  And first of all, I want to go deeper into that. We're
• 29:07
  talking about the characterization of the calversation. Out of LACKA is bringing to echo
• 29:11
  right, and she is likable. I think at the end of that's the
• 29:15
  number one thing for me do why I like this cat. There are so
• 29:18
  many established MCU catchers that to this day I don't really rock with. I
• 29:23
  still don't really like Hawk. I like that, Okay, I'm still middling.
• 29:26
  I'm still middling on on what's her face that says getting the sun's getting
• 29:32
  low? Homeboy, fucking yeah, black meadow right, Like I'm still and
• 29:38
  there's people who's like growing to love them. I'm like, no, I
• 29:41
  still don't feel it right away. I connected with a lock like right away.
• 29:45
  I like how she's delivering her lines. I like how she is being
• 29:49
  real, like the emotion, as you said, the emotional dough her face
• 29:52
  when she she cracks jokes too, like she's not all serious. Everything's not
• 29:56
  all serious all the time. She does. That kind of reminds me of
• 30:00
  an earth sign. Right, She's very very like dry but it's dry humor,
• 30:03
  but it's actually funny, right, So I like that approach that she
• 30:07
  has to echo and echoes drive in this that you are able to very clearly
• 30:14
  see. So I think that was that's very well done by Lackwood. And
• 30:18
  and also she has the physicality for it to believe her when she's trying to
• 30:21
  like throw punches or pick up weapons or this and that, like she's putting
• 30:25
  her body into it. And I like, like you mentioned the whole sign
• 30:29
  language asked her like that. Actually, watching this makes me like, damn,
• 30:32
  cause when I was younger, I started learning it a little bit,
• 30:33
  but you know, obviously didn't stick with it, I think, and I'm
• 30:36
  like, damn, I need to go get back into it, like especially
• 30:37
  if you guys, if you all on TikTok, there are so many creators
• 30:41
  on TikTok that be teaching us how to say like really super ridiculous things like
• 30:47
  you know, ball headed bitch and ig. But my thing is like that's
• 30:51
  the culture, right, like just having these conversations you would have with your
• 30:52
  home we wouldn't sign like, but you understand like that how it felt in
• 30:56
  terms of just being natural, like it was just integrated because that is it
• 31:00
  understand like that it wasn't like people try to say it's an agenda and is
• 31:04
  that like No, that's this is just how this is the life, This
• 31:07
  is the lifestyle. This is what it happens to be. Let's continue on
• 31:11
  with the story. I think it's absolutely beautiful because it's like I'm just realizing
• 31:14
  that Echo does not talk, you know, not in the literal sense,
• 31:18
  like she does not make sound. And you really think, like, yo,
• 31:22
  she's doing something much emoting and so much character work through her acting that
• 31:29
  you forget these things. It's like, oh, but that alien evasing,
• 31:32
  I mean, it just happens to be. That's what I mean. Like
• 31:33
  you're not sitting in there like, oh, they're signed language, like oh
• 31:37
  no, Like no, it's just part of that's who she is. And
• 31:41
  it's like you forget that she's signing, you know, you forget that you're
• 31:45
  reading the words on the screen. You think that she has a voice in
• 31:48
  your head like any other character when they're speaking. It's really amazing work they're
• 31:52
  doing with that. That's, you know, phenomenal. It's like that alien
• 31:56
  invasion movie that just came out where there's no words in it. Asn't we're
• 32:00
  like most of the movie. I didn't realize that no one's talking in this
• 32:02
  movie until like halfway through it when I'm like, oh shit, nobody speaking
• 32:07
  in this movie. It's that same type of thing when you know, when
• 32:09
  it's done well, you don't notice these things. You're just you're reading the
• 32:14
  subtitles as if a character was speaking in another love language and you don't think
• 32:17
  about it. Yeah. And also for me, that's I'm a proponent of
• 32:22
  subtitles on everything because I just half the time I can't even understand what people
• 32:25
  say, or like the the the the sound design is off, so like
• 32:31
  the game here the person. So I'm I turn the subtitles on everything.
• 32:35
  I'm that person things. Yeah, I'm also subdubbed when it comes to anime,
• 32:40
  so I'm used to that. So I like the fact that it felt
• 32:44
  I know you are too, but I like the fact that it just felt
• 32:45
  natural. And I hope that it's continued on with other people who may not
• 32:51
  be used to that. And like, again, as a proponent of subtitles,
• 32:53
  I'm just helpful that this would help. Holy shit, y'all, this
• 32:58
  is going off on a slight tangent subtitles. But I just watched Blue Giant,
• 33:01
  the anime film from twenty twenty three about Jazz Oh Lord, it's upthing
• 33:09
  was across the Spider Verse. It's it's one of the best films of the
• 33:14
  year. I watched it in some titles as far I as thinking about it,
• 33:16
  and I was just thinking about how these actors are fucking killing it and
• 33:19
  I can't understand the word they're saying, and I'm getting all the emotion from
• 33:22
  their acting. So when you get a chance to see Blue Giant, please
• 33:28
  do it's oh my god, phenomenal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all
• 33:30
  right. You gotta learn how to sign your name. I know how to
• 33:34
  sign my name. You need to learn how. I used to know that.
• 33:36
  I definitely knew Benjamin when I was younger. Yeah, I definitely learned
• 33:38
  that when I was younger. I cannot remember it now, but yeah,
• 33:42
  I used to know T T A N A K I N G yep,
• 33:46
  yeah, I remember that. Okay, I used to know. I know
• 33:49
  there's something with that, but I'm not sure what it is, what part
• 33:52
  of it it is got me all right? Cool overall thoughts, ben of
• 34:00
  the first three episodes. Enjoyed it. When I realized that there's only five,
• 34:04
  that's when I was like, oh, that was my first because when
• 34:10
  I'm watching I'm like, Okay, like the pilot I liked, I did
• 34:14
  not love. I was like, that's always my thing. I'm like,
• 34:16
  damn, how strong is this pilot? I enjoyed decent? I was,
• 34:22
  yeah, decent, I would say pretty good. Had a lot to do
• 34:27
  and did a lot of that pretty well. Yes, just established a lot,
• 34:31
  established a lot, but didn't move a lot, and that was my
• 34:35
  thing. While I was like by the end of it, I was like,
• 34:37
  Okay, I'll watch another because I got the first three, so I'm
• 34:38
  gonna watch them. But I wasn't like, damn, I'm in love with
• 34:42
  this. By the end of the first three, I was like, I'm
• 34:45
  really liking this show. And then I'm like, shit, there's only two
• 34:47
  more. Yeah, I am concerned. Yeah, I felt the same as
• 34:53
  you. I was like, oh, I really liked where this is going.
• 34:55
  This feels more fresh than we'll be seen. And I'm like, oh,
• 35:00
  we don't have any enough time. Do we even have enough time to
• 35:02
  really get someplace? Because I still don't think we're we've moved too much,
• 35:07
  Like we've moved a lot in characterization, I don't know we've moved enough in
• 35:13
  progression of story. I don't want to say, story, what's the word
• 35:16
  like this the timeline of from point A to point B. I don't you
• 35:19
  know. And I think part of the reason, part of the problem is
• 35:21
  I don't know what point B is and they just kind of usually see and
• 35:24
  I can't see what point B is. There's a lot of balls in the
• 35:27
  air right now, as they say, you know, there's a lot of
• 35:29
  things being juggled. There's a lot of characters that I'm interested in. I'm
• 35:32
  very much interested in Echo and her relationship with her grandmother, like that is
• 35:37
  something I have huge interested in right now, and I want to see some
• 35:40
  involvement to that. That's huge, My grandmother, her best friend Bonnie.
• 35:45
  Yes, all of these I mean, and they and you could see and
• 35:50
  I like when shows do that, like when stories do that. When and
• 35:53
  unfortunately the Marvels didn't do this where it's just like, Okay, you have
• 35:57
  a conflict between two Carol and and her adoptive niece, right you have a
• 36:06
  clear conflict between two people. And it's like, are you gonna address that,
• 36:08
  because that is the elephant, the deer, the bear, all of
• 36:13
  the animals in the room, and are you going to say something about it
• 36:15
  so that part they did start, they're starting to. But it's also like,
• 36:20
  ah, y'all have enough time to really flush this out. And then
• 36:22
  it makes me ask, is this a test? Right? Because it's only
• 36:24
  a mini series? Right? And remember we said who's that go? Why
• 36:29
  that go? Is this a test? Are we gonna get more ather depending
• 36:32
  on how this is received? I hope so now, But now I'm also
• 36:37
  tight because I'm like, you could have just given us nine off the break
• 36:39
  seven evens fast, because this is when like you've done too many, like
• 36:45
  you gave us too much, and you've you've weaved, you started to weave
• 36:51
  together compelling story. You've given us compelling and that's it's so crazy. It's
• 36:54
  like when we are given non compelling shit, they get thirteen fucking episodes episodes,
• 37:00
  and that we were like, all right, who cares? And then
• 37:02
  when I finally get somewhere, I'm like, oh, there's some seasoning right
• 37:07
  here, y'all get a sprinkle of it. Or even Super Evasion, which
• 37:10
  I can't remember how many episodes was, or Loki season two, which I
• 37:15
  stand by my view and I say was a lot of waste of the time.
• 37:19
  And I don't think you could have given that story they were telling Moore's
• 37:22
  time, because I felt like you wasted the time you had. But like
• 37:25
  I felt like Loki season two could have been less episodes and still got to
• 37:29
  whar it got. It could have been one episode and got to where it
• 37:30
  got. No. Actually it could have been like a move, like a
• 37:34
  mini movies. It would have been impactful if it ended the way it ended
• 37:38
  the same way because the ending was beautiful. I think it could if it
• 37:43
  was an hour and a half two hour movie. An hour and a half
• 37:45
  is TV, right, I thought. I think they could have told the
• 37:49
  whole story within one go in one go. They didn't have to. It
• 37:52
  had to be episodic. I don't think so, because there was a lot
• 37:54
  of things of wasted time in the episodes. I think they could have done
• 37:58
  with doing it maybe over like five, not told us yeah or less and
• 38:01
  not told the story they told. You know, got to the ending they
• 38:05
  got to, but you got to get to that ending better to me because
• 38:08
  it wasn't earned at all. It was just oh here we are all right?
• 38:10
  Cool anyway, moving on to Echo, I feel like that with Echo,
• 38:15
  with the first three episodes a bit slow, but they are telling more
• 38:20
  stories that I care about, where I want to see the ending where I'm
• 38:22
  like, Okay, this is interesting, unlike and Loki, where it's like
• 38:24
  I don't give a shit about any of this. Oh, here's a great
• 38:28
  ending that really wasn't earned. There's some endings that I want to see earned
• 38:30
  here, and I'm not sure if they're going to have enough time to earn
• 38:34
  them. They and that might be the fault of them, though, because
• 38:37
  they could have moved along quicker a little bit, maybe not had so many
• 38:39
  things going on. I don't know, you know, I can't judge yet
• 38:44
  on that, but I don't know, how can you when you only have
• 38:45
  like I don't know, I didn't feel like it was slow. Yeah,
• 38:51
  I didn't feel like Echo had been slow. Here. I feel like,
• 38:52
  yes, there's some exposition and there's there's action and stuff like is this a
• 38:58
  and just to be clear, is this is like an stop? It never
• 39:00
  stops. It's all action. No. No, there is the exposition here,
• 39:05
  but it's not to the point of where you're like, all right,
• 39:07
  nigga, I'm done listening to y'all. Okay, y'all do something. I
• 39:10
  feel like everything had a purpose like there were reasoning there wasn't a I'm eating
• 39:16
  key line pie scene where and I use that meaning there's something where it's just
• 39:22
  like this serves no purpose for story or character. It's just like the cinematographer
• 39:27
  like the way it looked, so we kept it in here like there's none
• 39:29
  of that in Echo. At the same time, just like, how are
• 39:32
  we gonna do this, because there's so many compelling through lines that I don't
• 39:37
  know we're gonna be able to get there in two episodes. If they do
• 39:39
  it, it's a miracle. I think. Okay, one thing is Daredevil
• 39:44
  Born Again is coming back next year now. I think it got pushed back
• 39:47
  to twenty twenty five and they're rejiggering the whole series because it was a complete
• 39:52
  mess from what they said, So it seems like Echo will be back in
• 39:57
  that I feel like, you know, because I feel like there's this is
• 40:00
  going to be pretty strong where people are gonna want to see more Echo.
• 40:04
  She's gonna not stay in Tamaha, Oklahoma forever. You know, she's already
• 40:08
  been geared up in the first three episodes to you know, get your ass
• 40:12
  about of town, and people already telling her y they don't want her here
• 40:15
  because it's doing any problems with you for for y'all, for those that are
• 40:19
  know her Maya And when she was a kid, she lived in as you
• 40:22
  mentioned, Tomahaw, Oklahoma, and her father was in the streets, was
• 40:29
  running the streets as you've seen, and put their family in danger because he's
• 40:34
  continuing to run the streets as we saw in Hawkeye. You know, the
• 40:37
  Hawkeye's based in New York. She she ends up moving to New York with
• 40:40
  her father. Her father is still running the streets, still a problem and
• 40:44
  as you see, he gets killed by Ronan at the time Hawky. But
• 40:50
  Clint, whatever the fuck this nigga's name is that you want to call him.
• 40:52
  But she is in that world, right, She's in She's kind of
• 40:58
  essentially growing up in that underwear. Her her adoptive uncle father whatever you want
• 41:01
  to call him, and father figure Kingpin is one of her I hate to
• 41:07
  say it, but that's one of the people she'd be looking up to understand
• 41:08
  her father's Yeah. So like, so she's she's in that world. She's
• 41:14
  in that underworld slash situation. And then at the Anahalic guye you see that
• 41:19
  she starts, she learned start throwning the truth about what happened, like who
• 41:22
  did what? What happened to her father? The reasoning for why you see
• 41:24
  her get that fire Silk Press and then decide to go after Kingpin at the
• 41:30
  end. Right, So it's and that's why where we talked about earlier,
• 41:34
  I said she's kind of an anti hero at this point, because it's like
• 41:37
  she's she's not like now I'm on a venger now. No, She's ain't
• 41:40
  doing none of that other shit. She's still kind of on her own agenda
• 41:43
  and old wave, and she's doing things that may align with what other people
• 41:47
  want, but it's really about her right now. And I feel like her
• 41:51
  everything she's doing is just really about her own personal intentions rather than what's good
• 41:55
  for everybody else. Oh yeah, no, not at all what she's doing.
• 41:59
  And the series takes place I think it five months after the shooting of
• 42:04
  the Kingpin, and so when it starts off, Echo has been wounded.
• 42:08
  She's been shot, so she goes home to Tamaha to get some help and
• 42:12
  get it out of town. Laylow whatever then gets there and realize that she
• 42:15
  can still do some work against the king Pin. Here and proceeds to do
• 42:20
  that work against the king Bin. So that's where the series has taken place.
• 42:22
  So I think her battle with the Kingpin is not obviously not going to
• 42:27
  be resolved in the series because Man's has to be around for Daredevil, so
• 42:30
  he's going to be there, and I think because of that, I think
• 42:35
  we might get some more resolved with all the Tamaha storylines so she can move
• 42:40
  back to New York and then that way we can continue that storyline. So
• 42:44
  hopefully with these last two episodes they can wrap that up be because I feel
• 42:46
  like that's what they're going to do and I have faith there. Yeah,
• 42:52
  I've mentioned her physicality. How did you feel about like the fight scenes and
• 42:57
  the action in this show? Loved it? You loved it? Okay?
• 43:00
  I liked it, but I was a little iffy on something. Okay,
• 43:05
  well, I know you had some questions too, and we'll get to that.
• 43:07
  So I've definitely to hear that right now. But I say I loved
• 43:12
  the initial fight scene when she's fighting with the cats and Daredevil busting because I
• 43:17
  love how she goes for the gat over and over again. When Daredel was
• 43:22
  trying to bust her head. But it's what we've said, and my question
• 43:24
  wasn't about the fights. That's what we say in all these types of fights,
• 43:29
  Like we're sitting there like, just get the gun. Why are you?
• 43:31
  Why are you reaching for the fucking stick? Get the gun? Get
• 43:35
  the gun, And sure he goes for the gap multiple times. She's smart.
• 43:39
  I'm not gonna fuck with this. I don't know what this man is.
• 43:43
  I don't know if he's a real devil. He says. A man
• 43:45
  in around that ship is snapping back to him. That was another thing that's
• 43:51
  like the second time because we got to see the shee hole where he's really
• 43:53
  using the baton like in the comics where it's retractable and that shit's slinking back
• 43:59
  to him and all kind of action. So yeah, I'm getting to get
• 44:01
  And she's technically not all the way trained yet, right so in terms of
• 44:05
  like she she has she was taking martial arts and stuff when she was growing
• 44:08
  up. But my thing is you also don't see you see like a real
• 44:15
  quick montage is very quick equiped monsters of her like once she decides to go
• 44:17
  with Kingpin that she's all of a sudden like she's learning your way. I
• 44:22
  think by the time, because like he said, when you did much better
• 44:25
  by the time. She fights there, but she is dustin. We don't
• 44:29
  see all of her training, but there is a lot of training with her.
• 44:32
  I think there's like assassin training with the hand, et cetera. Everything
• 44:37
  you want. She got the whole package. You know, Kingpin was training
• 44:40
  her to be, you know, his murderer, so that he was training
• 44:45
  her more. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, because there's even some shit
• 44:49
  you know in this episode from like what the fuck? I guess you know,
• 44:52
  and that is all right. I won't to know what were your reservations
• 44:58
  not you know about this my reservation dogs this Well, it's not a resume
• 45:04
  of the episode. I'm gonna stick in. Stick with the topic of like
• 45:07
  the fight scenes, right, So, like you, I just thought generally
• 45:10
  I thought they were good, but there were and I say good with a
• 45:15
  caveat because for me and many fight scenes, there were sequences where I'm like,
• 45:20
  Okay, that's amazing. There's a fight scene that happens episode three where
• 45:24
  they're in a skating rink and they're they're, you know, one of the
• 45:30
  best ways of fighting, and this is what I love when they do this
• 45:32
  in fighting games, is when you use the scenery around you as part of
• 45:36
  the fight. So you pick up things and those things become weapons, uh,
• 45:40
  whether their weapons used against you or weapons you use against other people.
• 45:44
  Fine, And there's a scene where she then you know the game like Time
• 45:47
  Crisis or whatever, where they have the guns and you pull She takes the
• 45:52
  guns out of the machine and they have long, long cables attached to it.
• 45:54
  She proceeds to use it as whips. Right, that shit was why.
• 45:59
  First of all, I'm just like, okay, that gets to me.
• 46:00
  That gets back to the original version of the character, which is about
• 46:02
  fighting styles. Right, it's like how to not to say, how did
• 46:06
  you know to pull that out? But like the fucking whips that's a skill,
• 46:08
  right, I don't even know that the ogin I use whips like that,
• 46:10
  right, So that shit is correct. This shit goes hard and and
• 46:14
  and you could see that it's not just so I'm just swinging like you could
• 46:16
  tell when someone's just on the fly trying to figure something out. She pulled
• 46:21
  that and used it with skill. Yes, when ivy on her, I
• 46:23
  understand, like like soul caliber level type stuff. So I was all right,
• 46:27
  cool, and you could see her she's picking up different things. She's
• 46:30
  picking up fucking ski balls and going going ham on people. Yeah, like
• 46:36
  she like it's it's it's done with skills. It's like, oh, this
• 46:39
  woman is trained. Find fantastic. There are sequences where it's like things happen.
• 46:45
  I'm like, oh, that looks great. Then there are certain things
• 46:47
  in between. It will be good sequence sandwich between things that looks kind of
• 46:52
  slow or like you're kind of fighting underwater a bit. So there were some
• 46:57
  things where I'm like, a kind of looks like your practice, Like I
• 47:00
  can see the whiffs that the purposeful, like I don't want to hit you
• 47:02
  in the face, yep, I'm pretending to punch you, you know.
• 47:07
  And I actually did see some of that pretense of like I didn't see it
• 47:09
  the first time with her fight with Daredevil, but when I watched the scene
• 47:13
  again just stand alone, I was like, oh, I mean I'm sure.
• 47:16
  Yeah, that's the thing. And when you watch things more than once,
• 47:21
  you know, with slow mush, with rewind all the scenes, you're
• 47:23
  gonna catch scenes that aren't there. I only watched these episodes one time through
• 47:28
  I was like Okay, these are competent fight scenes. I'm not looking for
• 47:32
  I'm looking for a mistakes perfection, perfection, That's what I'm saying. I
• 47:37
  wasn't pausing slow moaning. I was just watching it again because I watched a
• 47:40
  couple of these a few times. I watched these, like a couple certain
• 47:44
  scenes a couple of times over like, oh that was hard. I wanted
• 47:45
  to see it again. But then in second watch, I was like,
• 47:49
  oh wait, you know, I started noticing things. But I think I
• 47:52
  think you're going to notice that with anything great, Like I don't know.
• 47:55
  I mean that when you get to the perfectionist. You know, fight movies,
• 47:59
  you watch them over and over again, and you're not really gonna see
• 48:01
  a lot of the things drinking be like okay, or if you seed him,
• 48:05
  you're like, goddamn, that's stunt at to really put his ass on
• 48:07
  the line right there. You know. It's one of those things like when
• 48:10
  you watch Mad Max over, you know, Fury Road over, It's like
• 48:15
  Jesus Christ, these niggas for insane? Who made this film? When you
• 48:17
  watch you know, certain things drinking be like, ah, okay, I
• 48:20
  see it, you know, But that's the thing with this, I wasn't
• 48:22
  you know, I didn't watch it more than one so it was cool.
• 48:25
  My more thing was certain shots, like even when they climb up on the
• 48:30
  water tower in the first episode, it just looks ridiculous CGI, and I'm
• 48:34
  like, damn, you couldn't find a real water tower. Yeah, oh
• 48:37
  it is. It's like, oh god, damn. The whole background of
• 48:39
  so CGI. I was like, you know, you couldn't find the real
• 48:42
  water tower. When Bistit is driving the truck after the train, his truck
• 48:45
  is completely the truck of CGI completely, and I'm like, dam you could
• 48:49
  just drive a truck through a field. But I get it. You know,
• 48:52
  that's a dangerous stunt that takes time and money. So it's like whatever
• 48:54
  for that type of stuff, because I'm like, are you telling a good
• 48:57
  story around all this? I don't give a shit. With the CGI really
• 49:00
  looks like if your story is great, your story is good. In this
• 49:04
  sense. I'm not gonna say great so far. I'm gonna say pretty good.
• 49:07
  Where I could ignore any of that in the fight scenes or whatever,
• 49:09
  I just don't care about. They're just more window you know, Okay,
• 49:14
  So okay, I mean that's kind of fair, and it's also kind of
• 49:17
  like also though she's a melee character, you know, I get it,
• 49:22
  like these are good enough though, Like, yeah, it's good enough,
• 49:25
  you know, That's what I'm saying. Dannel jumped over that damn gate,
• 49:29
  that was good enough, Shorty went from the shotgun. And when Shorty went
• 49:34
  for the shotgun and my man dropped the whole shelf on her ass. Yeah,
• 49:38
  that was funny. That's fine, And I do like that to me.
• 49:43
  You remember the other hang up we typically have when it comes to marvels
• 49:46
  about deciding whether or not someone's old p or whatever. And that's why I
• 49:52
  say again about the fact that yes, she's had some training, but not
• 49:54
  like Kingpin secondhand in command type level of training. Not yet. So even
• 50:00
  so she's kind of holding her own against Daredevil, but not enough because the
• 50:02
  nigga threw a shelf at her and that was the end of that. Okay,
• 50:07
  But that's the thing, Like, that's I think she could be have
• 50:08
  all the training in the world and Devil should still bust our ass with no
• 50:14
  problem. I'm still gonna wash her, yeah, because he's fucking Daredevil.
• 50:16
  This nigga is got radar, and I like that like that. It was
• 50:21
  like, look, man, at the end of the day, you may
• 50:22
  not be their devil level. Quiet Yeah, how much training you guys one
• 50:27
  on one you get washed on me unless you got some type of power.
• 50:30
  But but right, but but Daredevil doesn't really have a power. He's just
• 50:36
  very in tune with his census. But he's also should be physically superhuman,
• 50:44
  like slightly persion, it's not physically superhuman. Man coming through the window that
• 50:50
  physically they've shown us so far has had no superhuman trade. Nigga jump over
• 50:59
  that gate. That is like, that is very athletic. But what I'm
• 51:01
  saying, that's no, no, no, no, that niggas busting his
• 51:06
  ass coming over that gate. He didn't unless they change it, listen,
• 51:14
  unless they change it for a Disney plus version of excuse me of Daredevil.
• 51:16
  They have not shown anything. That's what I'm saying. That's right there.
• 51:21
  But that's that is past Olympic level. An Olympic level athlete is not ringing
• 51:24
  up in no handing that gate like my man did. So that's what that's
• 51:29
  what I'm talking about. That's another level of So you're saying, they're kind
• 51:32
  of like yeah, and that's what I wanted to see. When he should
• 51:36
  be pushing it. It's like people like him, Captain America should be I
• 51:39
  mean Captain America's you know, we see different and that's clearly superhuman the series.
• 51:45
  He should be like right below cat, you know what I mean,
• 51:49
  because he fell into that good all that ship. Yeah, he shouldn't be
• 51:52
  like like we're talking about comic book version I'm talking about. Yeah, that's
• 51:55
  what I'm saying. So that far that he didn't fall to the go in
• 52:00
  this how they get blind? Oh you're talking about getting blind? Yeah,
• 52:04
  that's what that what gave him the raidar gave him the radar sense, Like
• 52:07
  he has the radar sense. That's not something he does. But that's development.
• 52:10
  I guess that's the argument. There's things he's developed by being certain senses
• 52:15
  being taken away, so other things get Yeah, and I think superhuman.
• 52:17
  I think I think you can argue super human. Yeah. I think the
• 52:22
  Netflix version leaned into it more being developed. Where in the comments is like,
• 52:25
  yeah, he develops it, but it's something he It's not like every
• 52:29
  blind person has radar sense, like no, got some other ship. Yeah,
• 52:35
  yes, but but I guess and again We'll see how the MTYU handles
• 52:39
  it more. I think they're gonna handle it always was technically it was always
• 52:43
  Mark. Yeah, let's see how Disney plus hands it versus the Netflix version.
• 52:46
  I think we're going to see a little bit more of pushing it,
• 52:50
  you know, where he's gonna be doing because, like in the comments,
• 52:52
  my man is to be swinging around like Spider Man, like that ship is
• 52:54
  superhuman. You can't do that ship, you know normally. I don't give
• 52:59
  that. I mean not fucking Black Widow was hanging around the Tchari skateboard in
• 53:05
  the air and doing flips with her arm, Like what do you mean?
• 53:08
  They've been bull but the people who have no power. No. Black Widow
• 53:13
  is another one who is supposed to have had some ship put into her during
• 53:15
  that Red Room ship where she's supposed to be, you know, slightly above.
• 53:20
  You know, she's not supposed to be just normal human And even in
• 53:23
  Black Widow would have gotten splattered in a lot of situations. You know,
• 53:27
  the lady got thrown off the cliff and was out. Yeah, that was
• 53:30
  it. You know, It's sad what I'm saying. So that's it.
• 53:31
  He get thrown off. They never get thrown off the cliffan's it. Captain
• 53:34
  America get thrown off, Cliff's probably it too. If Clinton get popped in
• 53:37
  the head with a bullet, it's it. You're done. Captain America too,
• 53:42
  saying he ain't healing from a bullet to that, well, I still
• 53:46
  put cath America in a different class. Yeah, yeah, you definitely should.
• 53:49
  You definitely should. But bullets that the head has finished all three not.
• 53:55
  If he dodges it first, then he can right dodge it, dodge
• 54:00
  it. I don't have a better chance of dodging it too, but he
• 54:04
  probably the devil could probably dodge it. You can hear that ship, Yeah,
• 54:07
  definitely hearing the click all that. But you know the same thing,
• 54:08
  he might catch it and it's finishing it. If so, Echo dodging ancestors
• 54:15
  the as That's gonna be my answer for everything when it comes to echo the
• 54:22
  ancestors. A lot of her ancestor did not dodge bullets. So yeah,
• 54:25
  I don't know about that one, cold folks. You know that's what I'm
• 54:32
  here for now, all right. So, so what were we talking about?
• 54:35
  Just the fact that that fight, you say, you know him want
• 54:37
  no hand can hold her own. She can hold her own. She's good.
• 54:42
  I mean, I just feel like what ends up happening is like people
• 54:45
  like Echo can serve Pep others so much. Maybe not a Daredevil, but
• 54:51
  everyone else, cause everyone else is dumb. There's a Henchman, right.
• 54:54
  The worst off that she has is Kingpin, Right, is she gonna have
• 54:59
  to fight king Pin? Keeping is another one where they and at least in
• 55:01
  the Netflix and even in the Hawk Eye series, they show them. Man,
• 55:05
  remember Hawkeye when he just started going crazy a lot. He took a
• 55:10
  lot of damage in that hogy when they were leaning in Wow. Yeah.
• 55:15
  So and I don't think she's gonna really have a fight. I think that's
• 55:19
  to be more of a mental battle, emotional yeah, you know. And
• 55:23
  the other thing is like these superpower is these ancestral powers were talking about,
• 55:27
  She's only developing them in this series, Like she doesn't have them when she's
• 55:31
  fighting those goons. You know, when she's fighting Daredevil. She ain't got
• 55:35
  that ship. It's trumming later in this series. So there might be a
• 55:38
  remat for Daredevil down the line where she can actually put in some work,
• 55:42
  but right now he's putting it that work on her. But according to you,
• 55:44
  if she want to work, she ain't gonna beat them. No,
• 55:46
  I mean I think she goes against gonna get I think with the power of
• 55:50
  the ancestors, she could put some work in on Yeah, you know what
• 55:52
  I mean. I don't why I keep laughing at the power of the ancestors
• 55:54
  because it's also Black culture too. Man, our ancestors are already they want
• 56:00
  to start with the season is I know, my stuff tastes good, you
• 56:04
  know what I'm saying. It is, and so yeah, it's a powered
• 56:07
  ancestors. I love it, you know, I love to see it.
• 56:09
  And I think, but the powered ancestors, she could put into work on
• 56:13
  their devil. His ancestors are all evil, even though you know what,
• 56:23
  I think dared devil might be Catholic. Irish and reading okay, well reading
• 56:30
  up on the history. The Irish people have a relationship with the chopp Tall
• 56:34
  people and even during because yeah, the chop Taw people helped the Irish people
• 56:37
  out during the potato famine. I want to say in nineteen eighteen when they
• 56:42
  were struggling, when they were already on the reservations and ship they sent like
• 56:45
  what it'd be like five thousand dollars today to the Irish people. So during
• 56:50
  COVID, the Ireland sent back some help to the Choptaw nation and in twenty
• 56:55
  eighteen established scholarships for Chip taught people to come over to Ireland and study that.
• 57:04
  I never knew that better. I didn't look. None of this was
• 57:07
  knowledge. The more you know, I had no knowledge of any of this
• 57:10
  until I just read up on it. So that's all. Davil's ancestors might
• 57:15
  have been down with Echo's ancestors gave him that he gave him the radar detection.
• 57:22
  I ain't going that far. This man is not invited to any cookouts.
• 57:27
  I don't like nobody to the cookout. But listen, since you started
• 57:30
  talking about this, I would like you to go more into that about how
• 57:32
  indigenous culture is intertwined in this story. Like you've read up some things about
• 57:37
  the story, like even from the very beginning when they're showing like the first
• 57:43
  Choktaw yes and how she came out the out the cave, and then even
• 57:47
  when they're showing them playing that game that looks like lacrosse, right, yes,
• 57:51
  can you like where they are when they're playing that? Can you tell
• 57:53
  me more about what you've learned. Okay, Well, the original name of
• 57:55
  the game, I'm not sure what it's called, but it's referred to as
• 57:59
  stickball in modernly, but it's the It is a native game, and it
• 58:02
  is where lacrosse comes from. So that is something that I think was played
• 58:07
  among multiple trips, but definitely on the chat Taw. And Echo in the
• 58:10
  comics is of the Shaya Nation, but Echo was created by white authors,
• 58:15
  so there was a whole Yeah, they mixed in all kinds of different Native
• 58:20
  American imagery and references. So when the creators, the showrunner of this series
• 58:25
  came along there like we need to fix this up. One of the writers
• 58:29
  on the series is chopp Taw Nations, so they were like, let's do
• 58:31
  chot Taw and this and the chop Taw. From what I've read, their
• 58:37
  spirituality and the stories that they were being seen on Echo are all from you
• 58:40
  know, straight up from their own history and own stories. Like their story
• 58:45
  is that the chot Taw people come from an underground cave and are let out
• 58:50
  there the mound that we see in these first three episodes when they're playing stitball
• 58:53
  in front of it. Uh, wait one more stipball referenced. The stoitball
• 58:58
  is actually used in chopp Tak culture to for disputes between different sides. Like
• 59:04
  that's what we see in this That makes sense? Yeah, could we see
• 59:07
  this in this episode where it's a serious thing like win or lose? You
• 59:09
  know, they could be banned and all vanished. Yeah, so it's a
• 59:14
  serious thing. That mound that we see, forgive my pronunciation, is the
• 59:17
  niney Waya, which is a historical mound. It is still there to this
• 59:22
  day. It was larger in the past, so but it's still a quite
• 59:27
  big, large mound, and that is where some of their stories say that
• 59:30
  the chop Taw people come from. That's where this cave comes from. Now,
• 59:34
  as far as they're being a woman leading them out of the cave,
• 59:37
  I did not find that. But I really liked that idea and how they're
• 59:39
  using that with echoes. So I have no problem with that because you know,
• 59:43
  women are always leading people out of caves and you know, doing better
• 59:46
  things for the community. So I'm down with it. Yeah. I love
• 59:50
  it from the cultural perspective and what I'm learning from it and will continue to
• 59:53
  learn about it, about this power that she has. I also think from
• 59:58
  a in terms of what we said earlier about updating her history, her comic
• 1:00:04
  history and where her powers come from. Like we said, currently she's the
• 1:00:07
  I don't know if it's today currently, but she was the holder of the
• 1:00:12
  Phoenix Force, right, So rather than do that and again we don't know
• 1:00:15
  what shit's going on with the X Men right now, it's like, Okay,
• 1:00:17
  let's just tap into her own culture and give her powers through that,
• 1:00:22
  right Yeah, similar to the to the change that they did with Miss Marvel,
• 1:00:27
  where you know, like you know, her light based powers and then
• 1:00:29
  where the Bengals come from and all this other stuff, like they changed that
• 1:00:31
  from what we know from the comics. Now. I really enjoy that.
• 1:00:37
  I really enjoy all the little you know references and the history we're learning.
• 1:00:42
  And there was a line in these first three episodes that I really want to
• 1:00:45
  point out because it's something that I have had a theory about since I was
• 1:00:47
  younger, and I love to see other people express it. When her,
• 1:00:52
  well not her father, one of her ancestors, is having a moment where
• 1:00:55
  her ancestor wants to join what is their name light where they the light Bringer.
• 1:01:01
  No, well, it's this group of frontier of like of chopp tall
• 1:01:07
  people who police their own people, and she wants to join them, the
• 1:01:10
  light Horsemen. Light horsemen, Yes, and her father is like, no,
• 1:01:15
  men are life takers. Women are lifebringers. And it's something that I've
• 1:01:20
  always thought about because I always had this theory that men create so many different
• 1:01:24
  ways to kill people because we're jealous of the fact that we can't create life,
• 1:01:28
  so we need to be in control of life. So that's why men
• 1:01:30
  are always creating more advanced ways to kill people, because they cannot fathom a
• 1:01:36
  world where they are in control of this one thing. And that's why we're
• 1:01:38
  always fighting to control women's bodies because we're jealous of the fact. And now
• 1:01:44
  every man's been jumping into comments and talk about how it takes two people to
• 1:01:46
  make a life, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, nigga, whatever,
• 1:01:50
  I don't want to hear that you know can carry the life. You
• 1:01:52
  can't carry the life. That miracle, that beauty is something that we can't
• 1:01:55
  experience, and because of that, it becomes a jealousy. So that's why
• 1:02:00
  men are out destroying everything all the time. And I was happy to see
• 1:02:02
  this show. Make that clear. You know, even though the dude was
• 1:02:05
  saying it like it's something to be honored, it's not you know, men
• 1:02:07
  or life bringers. But even he had that regret. He was like,
• 1:02:10
  damn, you know, he did have the great and he saw his wrong
• 1:02:14
  ways. I do also like and again, like these cultural windows were getting
• 1:02:17
  Like I really hope we are able to have a conversation maybe with Sidney Friedland
• 1:02:22
  or anyone that's of the show, so we can get some real perspective people
• 1:02:28
  of the culture as well, because someone that is chalked all because like you
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  know, just certain windows we see, like when he says to her,
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  you know, you can't wear those braids, like the men who are the
• 1:02:38
  warriors wear the braids, right, Like that's that's just not something that's not
• 1:02:42
  like a regular hairstyle, right. It means something and there's a reason and
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  rules about it. So and again that crosses across cultures in terms of like
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  there are certain things, whether it's tear or food or way of dress that
• 1:02:55
  there is meaning behind it. Okay, And this goes back to what we
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  say about like approbation anything like that, like not this like not saying you
• 1:03:01
  can't celebrate in other culture or even participate in it, you know, when
• 1:03:06
  you are invited to do so. It's like you have to understand that there
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  is a reason, and there is a history, and there is a sacredness
• 1:03:14
  about certain actions or certain ways even people look there, there is something important
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  about it that you need to be mindful of or learn and then not just
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  kind of bull those over it as we see time and time again. And
• 1:03:30
  then I love all the inclusion of the language in it where people are speaking.
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  It's just like a reservation dolls where bare asses comes up again on this
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  show, and I just love that phrase and all these different phrases that even
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  in English, that Native or indigenous people use that we might not use in
• 1:03:47
  our day to day lives. And to hear all this different stuff, I'm
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  loving all that. So they you know, I'd love the fact that they
• 1:03:53
  were like, nah, let's clean this up from the comments right away and
• 1:03:57
  not worry about Okay, she was shy in and the comments are gonna go
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  a different route. Somebody that we know, somebody that we can bring to
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  the forefront. And how all these culture references work so well with her character,
• 1:04:08
  Like the story of the mound and the story of the people coming out.
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  You know, all these things were seen. I'm loving all of that.
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  So well done on the black part. Yeah, is there any other
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  things that like stood out to you in these episodes, like, let's say
• 1:04:23
  that just in terms of where they're going, Like we talked about how we
• 1:04:25
  don't know how they we want them to address the stories of the conflicts between
• 1:04:30
  the people closest to her, and they also this is this is very vin
• 1:04:33
  Diesel. They're also make it about family of course in this show. So
• 1:04:38
  it's just like a family is wild important. Are we gonna have enough time
• 1:04:42
  to hit those points by by the end of episode five, especially where you
• 1:04:45
  have you know, Kingpin mix And I don't know if this is from the
• 1:04:50
  comments because on the comments she does not you know, have one leg you
• 1:04:56
  know she uh yeah, prosthetic leg. And I don't know if her mom
• 1:05:02
  dies in the comments, but that was such a superhero theme for me,
• 1:05:06
  where it's like Jesus Christ, like parental drama. You know you cannot have
• 1:05:12
  it, but listen, it's also Disney. You know what happens, oh
• 1:05:15
  man, every Disney, every Princess Disney movie, generally speaking, there is
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  no mother. It's just like I guess, it's just such an easy way
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  to create, you know, such an easy way. So it's the Disney
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  ways. Yeah, yeah, money works, you know, if it ain't
• 1:05:30
  you know, if it ain't broke so or any other things that you liked
• 1:05:35
  that we didn't touch on, like whether it was the music, other characters,
• 1:05:41
  Vincent being back, Vincent d'anafield, Listen, I love Vincent Denoffield,
• 1:05:47
  that man an at tour. I mean, okay, since like I mean,
• 1:05:54
  people talk about Adventures of babysitting when he plays store for a hot second,
• 1:05:58
  but my first memory of him is a metal jacket where he's terrifying,
• 1:06:01
  and ever since then he's just been fantastic. There's never been a rule.
• 1:06:05
  He's fantastic. I mean, he's a great person. I don't know if
• 1:06:08
  he tweaks like that anymore, but he was heavy the last during pandemic and
• 1:06:13
  then pass that. Like when it comes to social issues, like he just
• 1:06:16
  says it what it is. And that's why I like people like say what
• 1:06:18
  you mean, me what you say, and he was always in it.
• 1:06:21
  He was to me on the right side of history. And also like I
• 1:06:26
  did actually get to speak with him a couple of years back for the Godfather
• 1:06:30
  of Harlem. I think it was season one or season or going into season
• 1:06:32
  two, got to interview him. He's just a just a lovely human being
• 1:06:35
  in general, but again just just when he talks about his his passion and
• 1:06:41
  when he talks about his drive to building up characters. And remember like way
• 1:06:45
  back when when he was announced as king Pen, immediately we were like,
• 1:06:48
  yes, perfect, perfect, he got it, everything about it. And
• 1:06:54
  you see that come back again because in the first episode of Echo, like
• 1:06:58
  they actually put in means from Hawkeye and you know when he was when Little
• 1:07:02
  Maya was coming up and they was developing that relationship and then you know up
• 1:07:05
  until her as an adult. You see that and the way he delivers his
• 1:07:10
  lines and the way like like you can see the furiousness and anger just right
• 1:07:15
  below the surface. It's just like you know, you see a lake and
• 1:07:19
  it looks kind of peaceful, but you know maybe a little bit of ways
• 1:07:21
  you're like, yo, what the fuck is under there? Like You're like,
• 1:07:25
  it's I but it doesn't look a one hundred percent safe. That's how
• 1:07:28
  he delivers Kingpin. That's how Vincent delivers that character. You like, he
• 1:07:31
  seems all right, but something's not safe about him, something something right there,
• 1:07:38
  something something right okay. So I and and to be able to have
• 1:07:44
  to deliver that, and it's a feeling because he's not necessarily saying anything.
• 1:07:47
  He's just standing there and you're like, hey, yo, he has an
• 1:07:53
  air about him in a way like when he walks into the room. This
• 1:07:56
  is fucking Kingpin, right, this is Wilson Fisk. Yeah. And it
• 1:07:59
  also reminds me of again, because I'm an animation person. Every animation that
• 1:08:02
  I've seen a Wilson fist and how he presents he's true to that. He's
• 1:08:09
  true, and I mean from the comics. You know someone who goes back
• 1:08:12
  with Wilson's to the comics, he's so. I just always remember there was
• 1:08:15
  this run of Punisher when I was coming up. I can't remember who was
• 1:08:19
  writing. I know will See Potassio is one of the artists, and at
• 1:08:24
  one point Punisher is trying to kill the Kingpin. Throughout these this run,
• 1:08:28
  it's like a six issue storyline where he is like, I'm going to get
• 1:08:30
  this dude. He assembles a whole squatter cats, most of them get taken
• 1:08:34
  out by king Pin's assassin's on the way. Punisher finally confronts Kingpin in his
• 1:08:40
  tower, and this line is just one of my favorite lines in all the
• 1:08:44
  comics and all of history. Punisher catches them. You know, they're fighting
• 1:08:47
  hand to hand and king Pin is like, you're like a terrier chasing a
• 1:08:53
  lion. What happens when you catch the lion? And that line is and
• 1:09:00
  that's what happens to Chapin serves this nigga in hand to hand combat and is
• 1:09:04
  about to snap his neck with no problem and punish her only gets saved by
• 1:09:09
  somebody else. And you know that line that represents a Kingpin to me.
• 1:09:13
  You know, this lion and everybody else is just a little dog yapping at
• 1:09:16
  his heels, and that's how Vincent brings him across. And the thing I'll
• 1:09:23
  say is like this really embodies that line when they say there's no small parts,
• 1:09:27
  because we know Kingpin's a huge role, but in this series so far,
• 1:09:30
  it's just you know, a couple of scenes. But the shadow that
• 1:09:33
  he cast over everything with those couple of scenes is incredible. Yeah, absolutely
• 1:09:41
  finest work before we get to our like final like grade or thoughts so far,
• 1:09:47
  like is there anything you did not? Like there was some shit when
• 1:09:51
  Echo constructs that gun out of nowhere in you know, she's suddenly an engineer
• 1:09:58
  and it had a lazier sight. We're the fuck Like, I get you
• 1:10:00
  know, she used some balling equipment, but the laser sight, I'm like
• 1:10:03
  lazy, I think, yeah, yeah, so yeah, he's referring to
• 1:10:08
  a scene where like she's basically I'm not incopacitated. What was the word,
• 1:10:13
  She's basically in prison kind of she locked up kind of sort of and with
• 1:10:18
  just the random things around her. And that's why I was like, is
• 1:10:20
  this anywhere in the comics or is there is there some source to any of
• 1:10:25
  this. It's just like she's just that damn good as an engineer. She
• 1:10:27
  could just build random ship. Like I was like, she's toward Barn.
• 1:10:30
  I'm like, what is this? Would watch all of a sudden, That's
• 1:10:33
  why I go to the King Pinn training. That's why I was saying,
• 1:10:36
  no, maybe she's fully trained at this point. You know, he's training
• 1:10:40
  for every situation. You saw what she built for the train. I won't
• 1:10:44
  say what it was, but you saw what she built that she put on
• 1:10:45
  the train. So yep, yeah, so I think at this point we've
• 1:10:47
  seen her. Yeah, she's been fully trained. She's magavering it up whenever
• 1:10:53
  she needs to. So that was a little bit of stretch for me.
• 1:10:56
  But that was just like a few other stretches. You know. I don't
• 1:10:59
  want to say there's another stretch on that train sequence draws like okay, why
• 1:11:01
  not? You know, so you know, there's there's a few things like
• 1:11:04
  that where I'm like, eh, but it doesn't make me like, man,
• 1:11:10
  it doesn't make you like have a dramatic takeaway from the dramatic negative takeaway.
• 1:11:17
  I get it. You know, this is a superhero show. Okay,
• 1:11:20
  So so so it's you can write it off all right, Fine.
• 1:11:25
  I had mentioned already how I just said some of the some of the fighting
• 1:11:28
  could like I saw some maybe after second watches, I was like, ah,
• 1:11:32
  I saw some flaws that I didn't necessarily enjoy, but that they were
• 1:11:35
  sandwiching in between really good sequences. The other thing that this was the question
• 1:11:41
  that I said I had for you was as mentioned, she's more of an
• 1:11:46
  antihero. So like when she ends, remember when she ended when she ended
• 1:11:51
  Hall Guy and goes into seas episode one of Echo. You see, she
• 1:11:55
  had to get she's basically getting her revenge, right, She's just like she
• 1:11:58
  finds out, you know, Wilson is he's the one behind her father's death.
• 1:12:00
  When you really think about it, she gotta go after him. YadA,
• 1:12:03
  YadA, YadA. All right, so you punished him, fine,
• 1:12:06
  then she feels like, oh, I want to hit him wear HER's okay?
• 1:12:10
  Fine? Why then then she said something along the lines of she wants
• 1:12:14
  to be the Queen pin And that's when I have my question because I was
• 1:12:18
  like, well, where is this coming from? And why just because she's
• 1:12:21
  about that life, you know, why, what is the motivation? Because
• 1:12:27
  she's that's all you know, she what is it? You know, like
• 1:12:30
  what else she gonna do? At this point, she is murder people of
• 1:12:32
  her whole life. You know, might be the Boston murder of people.
• 1:12:36
  She's tired, Agatt told the murder you know, now she wants to tell
• 1:12:40
  other people to murder. I just thought you wanted some peace because you had
• 1:12:45
  said listen, when she was young, when she had first like like when
• 1:12:49
  she was well, she was younger. She's so the younger and and remember
• 1:12:56
  I fist was telling her, oh, you know, we found out when
• 1:12:58
  he was still playing her. He's like, ah, we found out about
• 1:12:59
  you. Father was killing She said to him, he's mine, right,
• 1:13:01
  like that was her main goal and then the main goal got done or you
• 1:13:05
  know, so we think and then well she finds out the main goal ain't
• 1:13:10
  done and but that's after the fact. But I'm like, she thought of
• 1:13:14
  the Glen goal wasn't done after the fact. Yeah, well then she's like,
• 1:13:17
  now you know, the main goal is to take what was his.
• 1:13:23
  I don't know, I get it, you know, about one hundred percent
• 1:13:26
  sold on why she wants to take over. Yeah, I mean, I
• 1:13:30
  don't see much of an alternative for her. You know, that's the other
• 1:13:32
  thing. She ain't going to college. You know, she ain't getting into
• 1:13:35
  nine to five. She's not going to Howard. Nah. Sadly we could
• 1:13:40
  use her, but nah, you know, she's about that life at this
• 1:13:43
  point. You know, Okay, all right, when a girl gone,
• 1:13:47
  she's gone forever. Jay Z told you folks what he said, I prayed
• 1:13:54
  for the fact, did you roll forever? That's King vin best song,
• 1:14:00
  crist You're right, so it's not nothing, not necessarily something I did not
• 1:14:04
  like this something I had a question about it, I fear. So let's
• 1:14:08
  wrap up, ben h, what's your grade again, we've only seen it's
• 1:14:11
  only five episodes as mini series. If we've seen episodes one, two,
• 1:14:15
  three, what do you grade this series so far? Solid B. I'm
• 1:14:20
  with you. I'm with you. Yeah, I'm with you because it's why
• 1:14:27
  why because we're in like we're still in the golden age of television to me,
• 1:14:30
  and there's stuff that is just absolutely out of control. Fantastic things are
• 1:14:34
  reservation dolls. Where I was giving a plus one division, I think was
• 1:14:40
  still one of the better Marvel series so far. And I would give that
• 1:14:43
  like an A. I would give this yeah, a solid B. It's
• 1:14:47
  lean so far as B plus. Yeah, depending on how it wraps up,
• 1:14:50
  it could be B plus, could be an A by time it wraps
• 1:14:54
  up. Yeah, I agree with you, and I do think it's compelling
• 1:14:59
  story Like, it's actually interesting. It's not what was the last series that
• 1:15:05
  I could not stand. It's not an invasion, it's it's not hope,
• 1:15:12
  She hoped and again she Kulk had good things and terrible things on it.
• 1:15:16
  It's one of the more compelling series behind Miss Marvel, I would say,
• 1:15:20
  yeah, Miss Marvel TV series, and obviously in a different zone completely like
• 1:15:26
  this is on the other side of the spectrum. When we talk we talk
• 1:15:29
  about tone and approach. Obviously, you know, with it being an adult,
• 1:15:32
  with it being violent, and with it being this and that and dark.
• 1:15:35
  It is darker for sure, But just in terms of well done,
• 1:15:40
  well written, well so far, I see it. Yeah, and for
• 1:15:44
  different reasons. I think both it and Miss Marvel are great. You know,
• 1:15:47
  that's saying I think this is great, and I think Miss marvel is
• 1:15:51
  great, But like you said, Miss Marvel's tone is so completely different,
• 1:15:55
  completely, this is on a whole note of stale. But I enjoyed them
• 1:15:59
  both for what they are and I think that they're both doing great and both
• 1:16:01
  bringing cultures that we don't get to see all the time on screen to the
• 1:16:04
  forefront, which I enjoyed them both for. So yeah, yeah, So
• 1:16:09
  I am giving this a thumbs up. I recommend you watch Echo when it
• 1:16:13
  drops. It drops January ninth, or five episodes dropping at once, so
• 1:16:16
  if you have time binge it. If you don't, that's okay, watch
• 1:16:18
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• 1:16:23
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• 1:16:28
  whenever the everything comes out, but we recommend it, definitely watch it.
• 1:16:32
  Well done. This is a bright side of the MCU and a plus for
• 1:16:38
  Disney. Plus we hope that everything going forward is at least on that level
• 1:16:44
  Daredevil, so please, And that's Mad has Mad episodes as of now.
• 1:16:50
  We'll see, you know, because they're they said they're rewriting it completely because
• 1:16:54
  the original idea or what they went with so far was like some goofy courtroom
• 1:16:59
  drama shit, and I don't know why they would think that. I mean,
• 1:17:02
  Dared Will has she hop was goofy, like come on, and and
• 1:17:08
  and Darda has had some of those, and it's run like there's a run
• 1:17:11
  by Mark Wade which is really lighthearted but still Daredevil and it's one of my
• 1:17:15
  favorite runs because he fights more like the super powered individuals and stuff and isn't
• 1:17:18
  just constantly getting beat up. So they could do that and I'd be happy,
• 1:17:24
  But you know, I would like to see some of this go through
• 1:17:27
  with it too, you know, I'd like to see and I know that
• 1:17:28
  people who are fans of Netflix want to see that tone. I want to
• 1:17:31
  see that tone. I want to see that tone combined with the tone we
• 1:17:34
  saw. I want to see him jumping over gates and ship. Okay,
• 1:17:38
  I don't know why he's saying that that shit was hard nigga, that nigga
• 1:17:42
  knows, and I just really desperately want Echo to stick this landing because this
• 1:17:46
  is this is going to be the defining point and as I said earlier,
• 1:17:49
  like is this a test? Are we going to get more after depending on
• 1:17:54
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• 1:17:57
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• 1:18:00
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• 1:18:05
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