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The Chase is Back | Kenny Wallace Show · Kenny Wallace Media

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  All right, we are live Kenny Wallace media, Kenny Wallace
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  YouTube channel. I am Charlie Marlow.
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  There he is Kenny Wallace and you see the headline everybody
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  and Kenny, the Chase is back. The big announcement in
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  Charlotte, NASCAR announces the new playoff slash points format.
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  And Kenny, they're going back to the Chase, baby.
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  Listen, I love it. A lot of people say to me,
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  Herman, you used to defend NASCAR and you thought
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  everything was fine. And here's my response,
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  everybody. I thought everything was fine,
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  but you ran over me like a train and I and I said I got on the
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  caboose. I listen, I didn't have any
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  problem. I've always said that I wanted
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  three races to determine the championship.
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  But you know, Mark Martin was right, Charlie.
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  He drove up our driveway. You were here and Mark Martin
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  had the biggest quote of the year.
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  You need to learn how to debate without being so vicious.
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  So Charlie, I realized that the fans wanted to go back to the
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  old days. And we we did today.
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  And I'm excited because Charlie, I feel like it's a new
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  beginning. I feel happy because I feel like
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  everybody else is happy. Yeah, and I watched the the
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  announcement, it was about 30 minutes and you had you had Mark
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  Martin there, you had Dale Junior, you had Steve O'Donnell,
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  you had Chase Elliott, Ryan Blaney and Chase Briscoe and
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  they all talked. And Mark Martin, I think he said
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  it best. He, he wasn't pretending like he
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  got everything he wanted, right. But I think he said it best when
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  he said this is this is the perfect compromise or the
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  perfect landing spot. You're never going to make
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  everybody happy. We all know there were very,
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  very loud voices for full season points.
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  I think most people thought that wasn't even ever a real
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  possibility. And they said it started to
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  become a real possibility. But for folks that wanted full
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  season points, for others that still like the play offs, I just
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  think look, everybody wins a little bit with this scenario.
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  Charlie, I agree and and you and I will continue in the next 30
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  minutes or so to, you know, just keep talking about as what has
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  transponded over my God, it seems like 20 years we have been
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  we have been in a downfall and we have been fighting and but
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  listen, today was a big day and here's why.
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  Because you had the biggest and most famous people in the sport
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  like Chase Elliott, like Dale Junior and the most respected
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  driver of them all. He's retired now, but Mark
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  Martin and and they were behind the president, Steve O'Donnell
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  and they like this. And listen, there's a lot of
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  good quotes out there. I love the latest one by Dale
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  Junior. He says this is going to teach
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  these new drivers to drive hard every lap season points matter
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  now, no more when and you're in, you can take it easy.
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  The quotes are already coming out.
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  So Steve O'Donnell has promised me, he said, Herman, I'm going
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  to do everything in my power to get NASCAR back the way it ought
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  to be. And, and I got to believe him
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  now after seeing so many things. But once again, the most
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  powerful statement of the day, Charlie, is Mark Martin, Dale
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  Junior, Chase Elliott, Chase Briscoe, all these drivers, Ryan
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  Blaney, they were all behind NASCAR and they were all saying
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  we like this, we approved. So if the fans don't like it,
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  then they can be mad at Dale Junior and Chase Elliott and
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  Mark Martin. And it's it's very early here,
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  but I did put a poll out on the Kenny Wallace media Twitter.
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  I had checked it. Let me just check it real quick
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  so I can give the up to date results.
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  I just said straight up, are you happy with this 10 race chase
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  format? Yes or no, only 196 votes.
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  So not a ton yet. I'm sure you'll retweet and
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  we'll get we'll get more. But still there you go. 82% yes
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  or now it's 80 still, but 8020. I mean, if you're making 80% of
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  people happy, Kenny, these days doing anything, I think you're
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  doing a a pretty good job. And I really think the best you
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  can ask for is 5050. OK, look here.
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  Let's go to Jeff Gluck. I'm going to retweet that Jeff
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  Gluck has 4464 votes. Do you like the new NASCAR
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  championship format? Look at this one.
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  Ours align right with him. There it is, everybody over so
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  it. So if you're on the no side,
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  that means you better come up out of your hole.
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  And, and the reason we bring up Glock is our Charlie model, the
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  man you're looking at. We're all buddies with Glock.
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  He helps us, don't he, Charlie? Yeah, he's been on in the past.
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  I I think you know, Matt Weaver does a lot as well, but Jeff
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  Glucks doing a lot with The Dirty MO and he's been on Kenny
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  conversation for sure. Yeah.
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  Yeah, so I'm going to retweet Matt Weaver.
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  OK here. Let's let's give it everybody
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  another one. Dale Junior just said playoffs
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  or walk off wins. Dale Junior said that's fine.
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  The NASCAR playoff system was designed to create game seven
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  moments that mimicked other sports.
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  NASCAR going back to the chase and no longer will view itself
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  as having playoffs or walk off wins.
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  But but I want to add on to that.
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  OK, that was as you in the business would say, Charlie,
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  quote UN quote. I I read what Bob Pop press just
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  wrote here. Here's where I think it gets
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  exciting though, and a lot of people, we're all figuring this
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  out. We're all looking at it.
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  What about when there's one race to go and somebody's 17th in the
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  points? Now you got game seven moments
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  on race 11, you know, race 20/25/20.
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  You see what I'm saying? So as Mark Martin says, there
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  will be unintended consequences. And the unintended consequences
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  is this will be the first time in a long time we all with one
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  race to go. We're going to be paying
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  attention to who's 17th in the points.
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  That's a big deal. Yeah, as this news has come out,
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  I'm, I'm kind of thinking about how I feel about it 'cause I did
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  kind of like, I like the concept of of when to get in.
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  But I think you just said it best with the unintended
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  consequences part. It, it sounds like a great idea,
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  but then it causes this desperate type racing at the end
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  that I think a lot of people thought was, was gimmicky and,
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  and so many green, white checkereds.
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  And it seemed like there were green white checkereds every
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  single race where I think most people would like to see one
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  every once in a while, but not 4, right?
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  You'd see them race after race and then at the end, sometimes
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  you'd see 2-3 or four of them. So I, I guess for me, so, so
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  getting rid of win and you're in, you're going to get rid of
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  the Harrison Burton stories, you're going to get rid of the,
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  the Austin Dillon type stories. But I will say this, I feel like
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  for a guy like SVG, where did he win 5 races last year?
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  Five races so. And, and we kind of talked about
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  this, maybe I'd be for win 2 and you're in like, I do feel like
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  somebody like SVG who wins 5 races, I feel like a guy like
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  that is deserving to make the play offs and won't make it in
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  this system. But again, you can't please
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  everybody. And I wanna, I wanna compound on
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  that. So this is a moving target.
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  When you and I say SVG won five races last year, he would not be
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  in this play offs. Let's remember this and, and,
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  and I'm acknowledging this, where was SVG with 10 races to
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  go here? Here's overall what I'm saying.
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  I don't know where he was, but for the most part he was 20 or
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  something in the points. Yeah, I think he, I think he
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  ended up 12 somewhere there. But for the most part, all year
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  long, SVG was, you know, people were upset because they were
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  saying, Oh my God, he's won three races, but he's 28th in
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  the points now. In the end he did.
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  Come on. But the bottom line is this.
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  Where was SBG with 10 races to go in 2025?
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  I don't know. But as people say, you know it's
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  going to be hard to get in with A1 trick pony as meme players
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  says right here. What does he say there, Charlie?
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  He says Adobe meme player says no.
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  A champion should be a Jack of all trades, not a one trick
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  pony. And I say that as an SVG fan.
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  And I guess here's where I'll agree.
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  I think it's it's nice to get in the play offs.
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  It's a nice feather in your cap. But let's be real, none of these
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  people were talking about were ever legitimate contenders to
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  win a championship. Like it was cool that Harrison
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  Burton got got in, but then you knew that was it.
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  It was cool that Austin Dillon got in and then the year before
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  when he when he wrecked Logano, but you knew he wasn't going to
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  win the championship. And I guess the same with SVG.
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  To me he was deserving with five races winning of getting in the
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  play offs, but you knew he was never going to actually win the
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  championship. So I guess at the end of the
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  day, it doesn't matter as much as I'm as I'm thinking it does.
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  And here's what you and I underestimated.
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  You and I are sports guys. We are emotional.
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  But these fans were pissed. They were mad.
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  You and I were like, that's pretty cool.
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  But the fans like like Mark Martin taught me.
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  Mark Martin is the one that changed my mind.
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  These fans were mad that SBG and Harrison Burton.
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  And I mean, I, I listen, I still think Joey Logano earned that.
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  Even though Alex Bowman was light at the scales, he was
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  light. Somebody was going to get in.
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  So when when Alex Bowman was a light at Charlotte and he was
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  illegal, that put Joey Logano in.
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  But Joey Logano went on to win. So I mean, I thought that was
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  earned. But once again, what I
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  underestimated is how mad the fans were at what are mean.
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  Players said they're A1 trick pony.
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  You know, you win a race and you're in hell.
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  You can win 5 races now and not be in.
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  It just depends. Are you in the top 16 in the
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  points with 10 races to go? And now Charlie, people say,
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  well what happened to stage points?
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  Nothing, it's just you still got a race, it's still totality of
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  points and it is all your long points.
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  So you know C10 races. How many months is that 3?
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  2 1/2 Three months, yeah. So I mean, it's all your long
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  points, you know, And listen, 10 races to go, the top 16, it's
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  going to sort itself out in the end.
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  It's going to be your long points.
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  I've never in history seen anybody come from with 10 races
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  to go 16 points back. I've never seen anybody come
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  from 17th to the championship with 10 races to go.
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  And if you have, respond right here.
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  What I find really interesting, I, I got a couple things, but
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  First off, because I mean you, you're hearing everything and
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  then you tell me a lot of things and sometimes we'll do a Kenny
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  conversation and then after the recording is over, you start to
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  get some inside information that maybe isn't broadcast yet on the
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  real conversation. And I don't know about you, but
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  didn't it seem like a couple weeks ago, maybe even a month
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  ago, didn't it seem like we were going to get a three or four
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  race finale? It seemed like everybody was
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  talking about that. We had heard things about that
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  and I just find it interesting that maybe that was initially
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  the plan and then the full season points crowd really
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  started to pick up speed and they even went beyond that three
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  or four race finale to to the real compromise, which is the 10
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  race chase. Charlie, I'm going to be honest
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  and I don't think I'm going to get in trouble saying this.
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  I, I really feel like that, that lawsuit, that that aura, that
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  negative death feel, I think it changed.
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  I think it rattled. I think it was, it rattled the
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  cages. I mean, I think everybody
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  realized it when when you looked at the note that Johnny Morris,
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  the owner of Bass Pro, when you looked at the note of Rick
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  Hendrick, Rodger Pinsky sent to Mr. France, I think it rattled
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  everybody that thought they were somebody.
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  You know, listen, I, I knew a lot of a lot of people that
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  like, oh, NASCAR is going to be fine, me included.
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  And as this story went on and on and on and everything came out
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  and out and out, we all were left with our jaws open.
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  I really feel that after the NASCAR lawsuit now, it could
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  have been this format could have been done before the lawsuit.
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  My opinion after the lawsuit, I think NASCAR said we can't
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  chance it. We can't do three races.
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  We got to do what Mark Martin wants us to do.
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  We got to do what the fans want us to do.
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  And I think after the lawsuit, it rattled everybody, not just
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  NASCAR, but all of us. We were vulnerable, Charlie.
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  We, we never realized that all those texts and those emails
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  were going to come out. So it's right now, everything's
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  right. And before I hand it over to
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  you, I I just want to say this, and this is this is a Daryl
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  Waltrip, cliche. It's hard to be, it's hard to be
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  mad at your lover too long it. It's time to love NASCAR again.
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  My God, it's been, it's been one of the worst 20 years in
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  Motorsports history. Charlie, you're new to the game,
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  buddy. This has been going on for 20
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  years. Yeah, and I don't think and and
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  you can speak better to the to the past For me really the last
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  four years, four or five years, I've really been paying close
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  attention. But for NASCAR, can you have a
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  worse year where you got if you're NASCAR and this is where
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  I agree with you, it's time to it's time to forgive and forget.
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  If if you're me like and here's another thing, if you're a fan
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  and you're pissed, why you won. If you're a fan and you're
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  pissed you won in every way imaginable, OK, maybe you didn't
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  get exactly the 36, the 36 full season points, but NASCAR lost
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  in court. They're changing the car.
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  They're changing the format of the play offs, not just a tweak
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  drastically. Steve Phelps is gone.
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  If you were someone who thought that he should be gone, I think
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  most people realize that it was just kind of unforgivable, even
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  though he did a lot of good things when those came out, as
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  you said, it was something that that had to be done.
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  But and look, I, I do think the car is still something that
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  we'll, we will talk about. I'm not going to focus on that
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  right now. But again, if you're a fan and
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  you're like, I hate NASCAR, what can you be mad about?
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  Not like you've won. You've won four or five times.
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  NASCAR has taken a beating in every possible and they're
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  apologizing. They're on an apology tour to
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  you and saying like, come back and we messed up.
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  We're trying to get Steve O'Donnell said that today.
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  We're trying to get the old hardcore race fan back.
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  They've admitted their mistakes like 5000 times.
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  At this point. If you're not willing to forgive
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  and forget and give them a chance, then I don't think you
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  ever will be. I love that you said that.
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  So good. That is one of your greatest
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  quotes of all time. I really, because I'm the same
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  way. I'm like, Jesus, you've beaten
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  NASCAR down like AI mean they've been sued, they lost, the
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  president's been fired. I mean, what else do you want?
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  You know, I mean, I mean, seriously, It's yeah.
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  And and you're correct. I do want to say, you know, that
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  was one quote by Steve Donald today.
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  But he also said we are listening to the fans.
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  He made sure that he said that we are listening to the fans.
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  They don't like this playoff system.
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  You know, we're going back, the chase is back.
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  And here's the key about that. When we had to chase Charlie,
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  everybody loved it. But for some reason they felt
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  like they needed a bigger moment and and and that's that's when
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  it all went bad. Who would have ever thought that
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  that fans would rebel against, as Dale Junior says, the Game 7
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  moment? But, and I do want to add on
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  this, I don't want to be too long winded, but when I got
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  something on my mind, I want to get it out because sometimes I
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  forget it. Help me along here.
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  I think I'm going to nail it. Let's look at everything that
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  NASCAR has given the fans. Number one, they started with
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  the hell yeah commercial. We're going back redneck.
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  The first commercial comes out. The guy is screaming in a bar
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  with Bush beer clearly sitting in the bar saying what's the
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  big, big deal about the Daytona 500?
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  So the guy goes, you want to know?
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  I'll take so then that you know, that's the number one, the
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  redneck commercials back and it is not insulting our
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  intelligence. We want that back.
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  We want that OK then then then number 2, they fire Phelps.
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  The fans wanted now that was an add on that came later and
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  Phelps is gone. Then Ram trucks, along with Fox,
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  they're bringing reality TV back.
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  They're going to bring back, you know, at 12 noon, I don't know
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  what day, they're going to bring back The Gong Show.
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  And that is exactly what found Kurt Busch.
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  So they're bringing reality TV back.
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  They're going to find a superstar driver to drive one of
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  the Ram trucks. That's what found Kurt Busch.
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  The Gong Show. Oh my God, look how we found
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  Kurt Busch. Now they're bringing country
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  music back in the NASCAR. They got Miranda Lambert.
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  I don't know what I missed, Charlie.
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  I'm sure I missed something, but NASCAR's just giving up like 5-6
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  things for the old fans. Yeah, and, and I don't even
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  think it's NASCAR giving up. I know you didn't mean it like
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  that, but I just think they've they've listened.
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  You know, we always say fans and I I think it's, it's funny.
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  It's like YouTube here. We say subscribers to me and I'm
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  not trying to make it just all about dollars and cents, but to
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  me it's also customers. You know, that's a customer, a
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  person who watches all our YouTube videos, that's a that's
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  a customer. And we and we love them because
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  we couldn't do this without them.
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  NASCAR is a billion dollar business.
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  Those fans are customers and those fans can can speak their
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  mind with their wallets or not showing up to races or not
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  watching on TV. And we did see there that the
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  ratings weren't great. Now I know they they went to
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  some digital, some streaming stuff.
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  So it wasn't exactly apples to apples, but the ratings weren't
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  great for the play offs. And then here's what I think
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  here, here's where I think it really, really hit home in terms
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  of of the play offs and the points.
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  I agree that Joey Logano was deserving last year, but.
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  The fact that he got in after a pretty mediocre regular season
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  pissed a lot of people off. But then he went off.
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  But I mean, he was clutch. I know, I know, people joke
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  about the the the lights are the brightest thing.
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  But then I also think just the way it ended this year, even
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  though we all know if you look at the stats that Kyle Larson
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  was a deserving champ. It sure felt like, and I was
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  rooting for Denny, but it sure felt like Denny Hamlin got
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  absolutely robbed. And so the legitimacy of the
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  sport in terms of determining a championship was being
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  legitimately questioned. And you, you can't have that.
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  Like you can say anything you want about the College Football
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  Playoffs or the NFL, like maybe there should be 8 teams or 12,
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  whatever. But at the end of the day, then
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  they all play each other and somebody wins.
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  You don't really ever hear anybody question the NCAA
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  tournament basketball champ. They've won six games.
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  You don't hear anybody question a lot of these championships.
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  When people are also questioning your champion, that is not good.
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  And that was that was obviously happened in the last couple
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  years. I bet the fans will start
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  cheering Denny Hamlin like NASCAR.
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  I don't know how you can beat anybody down anymore.
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  I mean, NASCAR should be cheered.
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  Denny Hamlin should be cheered. I mean, what?
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  What Denny Hamlin? I mean, Denny Hamlin himself was
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  a reality show. He wore his emotions on his
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  sleeves. And he said, I'm ready to win
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  the championship. This is the last year of my
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  dad's life. He's within two laps of when I
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  mean, you talk about heartbreak, you got to be a sorry SOB to
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  wish Danny Hamlin any bad luck moving forward.
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  Think about how brave he's been. He's got that actions
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  detrimental. He has helped save the sport by
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  saying what he feels like it or not, the lawsuit that he was
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  part of the the drivers the teams are, are going to receive
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  more money. Teams are worth something.
• 22:28
  Now they got a full time charter system.
• 22:33
  It's better because of Denny Hamlin.
• 22:35
  And now he loses his father in a horrific, you know, the fire.
• 22:41
  But I mean, everybody's exhausted.
• 22:44
  Everybody's beat down. This was one of the greatest
• 22:48
  matches. I mean, just a cage fight, you
• 22:52
  know what I mean? A total cage fight.
• 22:54
  Everybody's exhausted. So.
• 22:57
  OK, Charlie, can I just let's take a deep breath.
• 23:02
  Can I announce the points? How?
• 23:04
  It's very simple. Yeah, I already told you.
• 23:07
  All right, everybody, listen. Just a deep breath, clear the
• 23:11
  air. We, we've already said what we
• 23:13
  feel. We're going to make this real
• 23:15
  simple. Everybody, This is not
• 23:17
  confusing. That's another good 1C right
• 23:21
  there. This is not confusing.
• 23:25
  We go 26 races and then we go 10 and that's the champion.
• 23:30
  OK, number one, what do we do with the stages?
• 23:34
  Nothing It you accumulate points.
• 23:38
  So stage racing is stage racing. I like it.
• 23:42
  Go take a pee, make yourself a sandwich.
• 23:45
  You know when the pit stop is coming.
• 23:48
  That is nothing wrong with that. So stage racing, you still
• 23:53
  accumulate points. All right, We go 26 races and
• 23:59
  there's a leader. That leader when we go into the
• 24:06
  tent race, Chase for the championship, not a playoff.
• 24:12
  When we go into the chase for the championship, first place is
• 24:17
  going to be given 2100 points, 21 OO, 2100 points.
• 24:25
  He is going to have a 25 point advantage over second.
• 24:31
  Second is going to have 2075, that's a 25 point advantage.
• 24:38
  Third is going to have a 10 point advantage.
• 24:42
  Then it's five point increments all the way down.
• 24:46
  So it's very simple, very simple.
• 24:51
  And that's that. There's no other nothing for
• 24:53
  anything else. Charlie.
• 24:56
  What? What could somebody be confused
• 24:58
  with? Yeah, I don't think anybody's
• 25:01
  confused. And I think it was Steve
• 25:02
  O'Donnell who said during the press conference, he said Ryan
• 25:05
  McGee of ESPNI guess during the committee said something like,
• 25:10
  look, you got to be able to get on an elevator and go up 20
• 25:13
  floors with somebody and explain the format and what you just
• 25:18
  did. It's easy. 26 races, boom, reset
• 25:22
  10 races, champion. Before it was like it was like
• 25:28
  playoff points and then it resets and then it resets again
• 25:32
  and then three drivers fall off and yeah, it was very, very
• 25:35
  confusing. You know, I did.
• 25:37
  I did kind of like the elimination style because I felt
• 25:42
  like the cut off races were more exciting, but but also dudes
• 25:47
  will eliminate themselves right in the last 10 races.
• 25:50
  There's going to be a couple of races and it's like, OK, now
• 25:52
  this guy has no chance. So I think that's going to
• 25:54
  happen through attrition. Also, it's going to happen kind
• 25:58
  of organically. I'll stay my lane right here and
• 26:01
  then I do want to come back to that for the O'Reilly Auto Parts
• 26:06
  series. It listen everybody, it's 12
• 26:09
  drivers, 9 races, simple. For the O'Reilly Auto Parts,
• 26:15
  it's 12 drivers for 9 races. For the Craftsman Truck Series,
• 26:20
  it's 10 drivers for seven races. OK, OK, Now I want to go back to
• 26:26
  what you just said. We had this other situation that
• 26:31
  came up at the end of the year where Formula One, the champion
• 26:37
  won by two points over Max Verstappen and everybody's like,
• 26:41
  look, they did all year long and the guy we won by two points.
• 26:45
  So man, it just seems like there was timing and circumstances
• 26:49
  going on. NASCAR was taking a beating even
• 26:51
  at the end of the year by these other series.
• 26:54
  And then I guess there was something bad for the V8 Super
• 26:57
  Series that they did a NASCAR type thing and the and it did
• 27:02
  not turn out good. Same thing with Lucas Oil Late
• 27:07
  Models where it was between Ricky Thornton and Devin Moran
• 27:12
  and Dev Moran won it on the last race.
• 27:15
  And now everybody, even the Lucas Roy Late Models before
• 27:19
  NASCAR, they said screw it, we're going, we're going back to
• 27:22
  normal point. So I do want to add on to what
• 27:25
  you said, that it just seemed like everything was not falling
• 27:31
  in NASCAR's way at the end of last year.
• 27:35
  Yeah. And I think also we should
• 27:37
  mention, because you were talking a little bit about the
• 27:41
  lower series, you know, we're, we're always so focused on the
• 27:44
  Cup series, but this, this whole championship playoff format, it
• 27:49
  also really reared its ugly head in a way in the in the lower 2
• 27:53
  series. Remember, if Corey Heim, who had
• 27:56
  an unbelievably dominant season, a season where in any other year
• 28:02
  you're like, this dude is just he should be, he should be the
• 28:04
  champ. He totally deserves it, but then
• 28:06
  he had to make that that final couple lap restart move just to
• 28:10
  win because of this format. And then the same deal with the
• 28:14
  now the O'Reilly auto parts series.
• 28:16
  Now this one really reared its ugly head because Connor Zilich
• 28:19
  won a million races this year. He was by far the deserving
• 28:23
  champ. In any other year you would say
• 28:25
  Connor Zilich, he should be the champ and he did not end up
• 28:28
  being the champion because of the playoff format.
• 28:30
  And I think that also added to just the idea, you know, maybe,
• 28:35
  maybe illegitimate is not a a fair word, but just it's not the
• 28:40
  best way to crown your champions.
• 28:43
  And this should be a much better way.
• 28:46
  And I forgot about that poor. There was 2 heart breaks, wasn't
• 28:50
  there? You know that the truck deal
• 28:52
  ended up OK on Friday night. Yeah.
• 28:54
  And then Connor Zillis, What, do you win 10 races or something?
• 28:58
  And yeah, OK, I'm addressing social medium.
• 29:08
  There are a couple people telling me that I was wrong.
• 29:10
  Sorry. Kenny.
• 29:11
  He would have made the chase last year and would have ended
• 29:14
  15th. Those 60 points extra for
• 29:17
  winning is what would have put him in the chase.
• 29:19
  That's fine. I'll just.
• 29:20
  I'm not even going to respond. They know what the hell I meant.
• 29:24
  I don't. I don't mind fighting, you know,
• 29:26
  I don't fight anymore. Have you noticed?
• 29:27
  That well, I notice you're not swearing.
• 29:30
  I notice you're not swearing much.
• 29:32
  Yeah, I'm trying. I'm.
• 29:34
  I'm sure there will be times there's a group of people out
• 29:37
  there that understand cussing is part of the game, but I've heard
• 29:44
  it all. I will say this.
• 29:46
  Yeah. Fighting on X on Twitter, it's
• 29:49
  really just useless. I've I've realized this too.
• 29:52
  I just think sometimes you're dealing with and professional
• 29:57
  just agitators and people that are depressed and they they
• 30:01
  don't even have their name or their picture up there and
• 30:03
  they're just, they're just in there just just wanting to be
• 30:06
  Dicks basically. Yeah, and I and you're exactly
• 30:09
  right. And we've learned, haven't we?
• 30:11
  You know it don't take anything. The the guy that's talking crap,
• 30:14
  just push on him. His name, 13 followers, no
• 30:18
  picture. Go to photos.
• 30:20
  No photos. It's like, you know, OK, this
• 30:23
  this just, you know, this guy is, is depressed.
• 30:27
  OK, another 1C as we're rolling here.
• 30:30
  This is from Dustin Long. Mark Martin admits this format
• 30:36
  won't be enough for some, but said is the best possible
• 30:40
  scenario you could ever ask for. Everyone wins with this format.
• 30:44
  Fans win. They were heard.
• 30:47
  That goes back to what you said, that listen, the fans won you.
• 30:51
  You all won. You guys won.
• 30:54
  The fans won you. You got rid of Phelps.
• 30:57
  You got your new points format. You got your redneck waves back.
• 31:02
  And then he says the drivers of teams NASCAR wins, you can't
• 31:07
  always have. And you've already said that.
• 31:09
  But I just like that. You know, that was another full
• 31:13
  length comment by Mark Martin that you know that.
• 31:17
  And I think this is something that the fans need to remember.
• 31:21
  You all won. It's not a three race, you know,
• 31:26
  format. And when we had this Chase for
• 31:30
  the championship, everybody loved it.
• 31:31
  Nobody complained about it. And that is the format that Kurt
• 31:35
  Busch won when his right front tire fell off and went down the
• 31:39
  racetrack. And then like we got to throw
• 31:41
  the caution because Kurt Busch's tire is on the racetrack.
• 31:45
  He had to finish 10th or better and he rode along.
• 31:49
  He rode along right there like 8th or 10th.
• 31:51
  And I mean, buddy, it was nerve racking and everybody's waiting.
• 31:54
  We'll Kurt Busch's right front fall off again.
• 31:57
  But that was the one. But yeah, the Chase is back,
• 32:02
  everybody. And I'm just doing like you're
• 32:05
  doing. I'm strolling social media.
• 32:07
  Christopher Bell is down at the Chili Bowl.
• 32:11
  And so the Chili Bowl is kind of, this is the first night for
• 32:14
  the Chili Bowl. We got Kyle Larson, Christopher
• 32:17
  Bell down there 47 minutes ago. Bob Progress.
• 32:24
  He's he, he's already on the damn San Diego.
• 32:28
  Check NASCAR today on rules for San Diego.
• 32:32
  Any full time driver can only race in the series the driver is
• 32:35
  getting points in. See unintended consequences.
• 32:40
  Part time drivers can run in multiple series.
• 32:43
  Jimmy Johnson, he's locked into Sandy or he's locked in the
• 32:47
  Daytona 500 because he was a pass champion.
• 32:54
  What else you got, Charlie? Well, I also like, as you're
• 32:57
  talking about Mark Martin at the end, it might have been the last
• 33:00
  comment. I thought it was kind of funny.
• 33:02
  He was asked a question, it was right towards the end and he
• 33:05
  said something along the lines of he said, look, I, I still in
• 33:10
  my heart of hearts want the full season points.
• 33:13
  But he said it's much easier to go from a chase from A10 race
• 33:19
  chase to a full season points than it is to a three or four
• 33:22
  race to full season. And he kind of laughed and he
• 33:27
  said, and that's not them saying this, that's me.
• 33:29
  And like Steve O'Donnell kind of laughed.
• 33:31
  So I think, but I agree with that.
• 33:33
  Hopefully this works. Hopefully everybody likes it.
• 33:37
  But whatever four or five years from now, by by going to this
• 33:41
  compromise, I do think it opens up the door that if, if people
• 33:44
  don't love it and if TV doesn't love it in five years, maybe we
• 33:48
  actually will get the, the the full season points five years
• 33:52
  from now. But change usually doesn't
• 33:55
  happen all at once. So if you're a full season
• 33:58
  points fan, I would be excited that your voice was heard and
• 34:04
  that you have a bigger chance of getting that in the future.
• 34:07
  Now that's on the table legitimately.
• 34:10
  Yeah, because right now I'm going back to what you said
• 34:13
  about halfway through the show. How do these points work?
• 34:17
  It's like, sit down, you know, I mean, it just it was, listen,
• 34:23
  you and I are Sportsters. We didn't mind it because we
• 34:27
  knew what was up. But for if you're going to gain
• 34:29
  a casual fan and you can't explain to them what's going on
• 34:33
  quickly, I mean, hey, listen on that on that concept, I was
• 34:40
  listening to something on Netflix and it's always been
• 34:43
  true. But the attention span for not
• 34:47
  just young people, but a lot of people nowadays is, is maybe 12
• 34:51
  seconds when you're scrolling, When you're scrolling, if
• 34:55
  something don't gravy you, you, you won't give it 6 to 10
• 34:58
  seconds. Yep.
• 34:59
  And if you don't accept social media, you're on an island by
• 35:07
  yourself. You go back to what Cal Larson
• 35:10
  said. Cal Larson said Rick Hendrick is
• 35:14
  sending me TikTok videos of Sprint cars flipping all the
• 35:18
  time because Rick Hendrick did not want Kyle Larson running
• 35:21
  Sprint cars. But who knew?
• 35:23
  And then we find out that Jeff Gordon goes, I thought Kenny
• 35:27
  Wallace was making Tik toks. Welcome to find out.
• 35:30
  Is it you Charlie? I don't even have TikTok.
• 35:32
  So it's you Charlie doing all. Is that you doing my TikTok
• 35:37
  well? Yeah, the account I think says
• 35:38
  either Charlie Marlow or Charlie Marlow Media.
• 35:41
  But I put the I put the same stuff that we put on X and
• 35:45
  Instagram and Facebook and and YouTube.
• 35:49
  Yeah. So it's just it's just the
• 35:50
  reals. Yeah.
• 35:51
  Tiktok is an interesting, interesting platform.
• 35:54
  Yeah. Tiktok has even a a shorter
• 35:57
  attention span than any of them. Yeah.
• 36:00
  So I mean, I mean, the point is, is that when you try to explain
• 36:05
  the point system to those type of people, if you couldn't
• 36:09
  explain it to them in 15 seconds, they were out.
• 36:12
  Yeah. And and who would have known?
• 36:14
  Once again, back to Mark Martin, unintended consequences.
• 36:18
  If you can't explain points to me and a minute, I'm out.
• 36:22
  But a minute is a long time. Yeah, and another thing is, you
• 36:26
  know, getting back to the TV ratings, I feel like, and I've
• 36:30
  I've said this, so I'm kind of repeating myself, but I I think
• 36:33
  the fans made their voices heard.
• 36:36
  I don't think they make this change.
• 36:38
  If if NASCAR gets to the playoff races and all of a sudden you
• 36:43
  see a big increase in the TV ratings and you see a lot more
• 36:48
  people into it on, on the views on social media and the
• 36:51
  impressions and all that. They probably don't make a
• 36:53
  change like this. But look, you, you can't have
• 36:56
  both things happen. You can't have low TV ratings
• 37:00
  and the fans pissed at the format then you have to change
• 37:04
  and so they changed. Charlie, I know you're the boss,
• 37:10
  but I think we beat this. I agree.
• 37:12
  I think we beat this like a dead horse and I, I feel better now
• 37:16
  though because I know more and it it was nice to talk with all
• 37:21
  the fans. Thank you everybody.
• 37:24
  I see you scrolling there and Charlie, I think you and I are
• 37:27
  smarter now. Oh dude.
• 37:29
  Should we? Should we end on a Jake break?
• 37:31
  Sure. No, go ahead, finish.
• 37:34
  Finish your thought first. Well, no, I, I just, I just
• 37:36
  really think that, you know, when I, you and I talked, of
• 37:39
  course, you know, I was having fun with coffee, with Kenny,
• 37:43
  doing a little show. I know everything.
• 37:44
  But I did. I did know everything.
• 37:47
  And I was told two weeks ago what was going to happen.
• 37:50
  And I'm like, they're trying to tease us.
• 37:52
  I bet they might get. They never did.
• 37:55
  I, I didn't know what was going to happen 2 weeks ago.
• 37:57
  I thought they could, might change it.
• 37:59
  They didn't. But then it's like, well, what
• 38:01
  is the chase for the championship?
• 38:03
  Well, let me remind you, you know, and because it was got a
• 38:06
  long time ago and it's it's kind of like The Beatles.
• 38:10
  You know, what's what's you know, these kids are coming back
• 38:14
  with these damn haircuts like The Beatles used to, you know,
• 38:17
  the hairs down in front of their faces.
• 38:19
  Like, what the hell? All The Beatles used to do that.
• 38:21
  Yeah. So what's old is new again.
• 38:26
  And aren't you smarter right now?
• 38:27
  We we understand it, don't we? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:31
  I like I said, if you're mad at NASCAR still, then I don't think
• 38:35
  you'll ever forgive them because they're they're taking a beating
• 38:38
  and you've won in every way almost imaginable.
• 38:41
  And they're apologizing and they're like, hey, just give us
• 38:45
  a second chance and let's let's try to make it right.
• 38:48
  OK, here we go, everybody. I think I got enough saliva in
• 38:52
  the back of my throat. Let's let's do it old school
• 38:55
  way. Hold on.
• 39:11
  There it is. There it is.
• 39:13
  All right. On that note, Charlie Marlow,
• 39:15
  Kenny Wallace, thank you all for watching.
• 39:18
  We got a 10 race chase. Can't wait.
• 39:22
  All right. See you everybody.