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The Man Behind the Badge (and the Camera) · Dos Amigos

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, This is Freddie Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Wilmer Valderama. Welcome to those amigos today. Were
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  Speaker 2: visited by someone very dear to me, Uh, someone that
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  Speaker 2: I've been working with for a couple of years now.
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  Speaker 2: He's been part of the the big percentage of television
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  Speaker 2: that has gotten it right. Okay, I'm just gonna go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and read some of your you know, some of
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  Speaker 2: your because this is this is also a time to
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  Speaker 2: give you flowers, because I think it's important that I
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  Speaker 2: get publicly, uh, you know, historically record the way I
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  Speaker 2: feel about you. So I'm gonna I'm gonna just I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna read a few things. Uh, just so everyone understands.
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  Speaker 2: You've had twenty years of service, right uh you Your
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  Speaker 2: rank at retirement was Master at Arms, Chief Petty Officer seven.
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  Speaker 2: You entered the Navy in the nineteen eighties, initially trained
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  Speaker 2: as an aviation electrician, then became law enforcement. Was not yet,
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  Speaker 2: it was not yet a Navy career path, right, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't invented. Let's see, first assignment was what is it?
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  Speaker 2: A seven E jets with a tax squadron VA two
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  Speaker 2: oh four in New Orleans. Right, we're going to get
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  Speaker 2: back to New Orleans at some point. Transition to law enforcement,
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  Speaker 2: requesting transfer to based security after being inspired by a
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  Speaker 2: colleague on a security detail, attended Security Forces school at
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  Speaker 2: Lachlan Air Force Base. And here's a few places that
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  Speaker 2: you've kind of been to. Naval air Station Reserve based
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  Speaker 2: New Orleans, Naval support activity in New Orleans as well,
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  Speaker 2: Naval support activity Magdalena, Italy.
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  Speaker 1: So what it was.
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  Speaker 2: Madelina Madelina, Madelina, Madelina, Italy so, Naval support activity Madelina,
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  Speaker 2: Italy and uh NEV Constructor Battalion centered go for Mississippi
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  Speaker 2: USS care Search.
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  Speaker 1: USS Harry S.
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  Speaker 2: Truman Aircraft is Okay, Roles Held Commander of Police Assistant,
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  Speaker 2: the Master at Arms, Security Forces, Leading Petty Officer, Command Investigator.
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  Speaker 2: And there is a major list of awards that we're
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  Speaker 2: going to in spare everyone because it's another page. But
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  Speaker 2: but you know the way I know you, and let
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  Speaker 2: me start by saying thank you for your service.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: The way I know you is you've been kind of that,
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  Speaker 2: uh the guardian angel of honor and respect to the forces.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to entertainment, you're the guy that makes
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  Speaker 2: sure that when he gets to the screen, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not too far from what he really is.
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  Speaker 2: I know some showrunners pushing to look the other way,
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  Speaker 2: but you and I don't look the other way, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll talk a little bit more about that. But
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  Speaker 2: he is our military tech advisor. He is someone who's
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  Speaker 2: been in advising for a very long time. Would you say,
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  Speaker 2: I get what was your first project advising? Because I
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  Speaker 2: remember I mejor even during NCS New Orleans, which was
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  Speaker 2: a long time ago. It's like the first two years
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  Speaker 2: when I joined the NCAIS universe, which was almost ten
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  Speaker 2: years ago.
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  Speaker 3: But how do you start that I started? When?
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  Speaker 4: Did I start twenty fourteen with the NCIS New Orleans?
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  Speaker 5: And that was your absolute first Hollywood project?
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  Speaker 3: No, it was the first one.
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  Speaker 4: I can't remember, so long story short, classified, I was
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  Speaker 4: still that I was still elected to do the name.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was in the nineties.
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  Speaker 4: I can't remember the actor, but he was doing a
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  Speaker 4: movie where he had to be on an Indian reservation
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  Speaker 4: and he was playing an FBI agent and he wanted
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  Speaker 4: to know how to really handcuff fast. So my mentor,
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  Speaker 4: Bob Lindsey, three years running back in the nineties was
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  Speaker 4: the number one law Enforce trainer in the United States
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  Speaker 4: and number three in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: And he was my mentor and he trained me to
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  Speaker 4: be a trainer. And he says, hey, we got this
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  Speaker 4: movie start coming out. He wants me to train him
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  Speaker 4: a handcuff and I need your help. So the movie
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  Speaker 4: star came out and sure enough, we spent a whole
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  Speaker 4: weekend with him and he wanted to know how to
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  Speaker 4: just handcuff real fast in real life. So we trained
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  Speaker 4: him and he did the movie and I forget the
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  Speaker 4: name of the movie, but it was an FBI agent
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  Speaker 4: and he had to go on the Indian Reservation. This
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  Speaker 4: was back in the eighties, I think eighties or nineties,
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  Speaker 4: and that was my first But I was a little
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  Speaker 4: arrogant back then, and I think I was asked to
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  Speaker 4: go on set, and I says, I'm a Navy guy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going on nobody Hollywood set.
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  Speaker 4: Now you come to New Orleans and we'll train you
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  Speaker 4: and then you can go back to Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm not going to Hollywood. I'm a lady, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know. Years later here I am welcome to Well.
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  Speaker 3: I've always thoughted.
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  Speaker 4: I always said, even my first time being on the
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  Speaker 4: show in NCIS New Orleans, I helped out with costumes
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  Speaker 4: because of the The tech advisor was Dwayne Square. He
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  Speaker 4: passed away three years into the show, but me and
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  Speaker 4: him were together for fourteen years during joint cases because
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  Speaker 4: I'm not I never was an NCIS agent. I was
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  Speaker 4: a Navy Law Enforcement Master Arms, which is the MP
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  Speaker 4: equivalent in the Navy Military Police equivalent. So as a
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  Speaker 4: command investigator, I would work cases with NCIS jointly. So
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  Speaker 4: me and him work cases fourteen years together, off and
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  Speaker 4: on in different areas. And so he asked me to
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  Speaker 4: help out with costumes because he was like, Mike, I
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  Speaker 4: know nothing about these Navy costumes.
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  Speaker 5: So how did you go from this movie in the
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  Speaker 5: eighties where you were just training somebody to do handcuffs
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  Speaker 5: to to was that your sort of second foray into
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  Speaker 5: into Hollywood?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it was Dwayne swear because the Mothership in side
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  Speaker 4: show wanted to do a spin off in New Orleans,
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  Speaker 4: but it wasn't its own show when it first came out.
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  Speaker 3: There was supposed to just be four episodes.
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  Speaker 4: Where they came down from d C and investigated some cases.
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  Speaker 3: In New Orleans? Right now? Was it?
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  Speaker 4: Four episodes? So I get a call from Dwayne Sweater retired.
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  Speaker 4: They just says, Mike, they're gonna come down here Gary Glassberg,
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  Speaker 4: and he's got to show him around New Orleans.
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  Speaker 1: Garry Osberg was the showrunner of NCA is the most see.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know who he was.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like, look, we got to show in New Orleans,
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  Speaker 4: this and that, and Dwayne was excited about it for
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  Speaker 4: these four episodes.
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  Speaker 5: So were you like all these Hollywood guys again, man, like, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Not leaving by.
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you advice you ain't even got. You ain't
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  Speaker 4: got to pay me because I love you, Dwyane. You
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  Speaker 4: showed me the scripts. Man, I'll make you look, I'll
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  Speaker 4: tell you exactly what to do because I'm not That's it.
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  Speaker 4: And so he asked me to come out the first
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  Speaker 4: time to come out. They were doing a major scene
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  Speaker 4: in City Park, a gala, a gala that was going
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  Speaker 4: to go from day to night. So now we got
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  Speaker 4: two hundred background all in costumes. Can you come help costumes?
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  Speaker 4: Like yeah, but they gotta pay me for that if
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  Speaker 4: I got to show up. So I went out there
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  Speaker 4: didn't have to be there until two o'clock on a Friday,
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  Speaker 4: so I said, it's great, I don't have to get
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  Speaker 4: up early.
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  Speaker 3: I lived in Mississippi. Let me drive over to New
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  Speaker 3: Orleans and I'm helping.
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  Speaker 4: But what I love about the show business is that
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  Speaker 4: I went in my real uniform and everybody there looked
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  Speaker 4: at me. Nobody had met me before, and they said,
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  Speaker 4: that's a real uniform.
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  Speaker 3: So how do they know it?
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  Speaker 4: Because everybody looks like there's a whole bunch of military
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  Speaker 4: navy uniforms. How can they know Minds is real? All
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  Speaker 4: the background knew the regulars they won, and it's supposed
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  Speaker 4: to be a twelve hour day, so I said, we'll
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  Speaker 4: finish about one o'clock in the morning. The only reason
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  Speaker 4: they stopped filming Saturday morning was because the sun came up.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, I ever coming back. That was my
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  Speaker 4: I said, y'all are crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't ever call me back. I might.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's not usually like this, man, It's great, No,
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  Speaker 4: it's not. I'm never coming back. So that was my
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  Speaker 4: first day on a set and I said I'm never
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  Speaker 4: coming back, And twelve years later, I keep coming back.
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  Speaker 2: Let's throw it back to when you were a young
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  Speaker 2: man and you said, I want to serve my country.
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  Speaker 1: You know what was that moment? Like, where did that
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  Speaker 1: come from?
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  Speaker 3: Where were you born?
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  Speaker 4: I was born in Panama City, Florida, attended Bay High School.
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  Speaker 4: I've always loved serving people, helping people. I just you know,
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't a boy scout, but I actually liked one.
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  Speaker 4: I just if a little older lady needed help, if
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  Speaker 4: somebody needed help, if you got picked on in my
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  Speaker 4: high school, I would tell everybody, don't pick on this person,
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  Speaker 4: because we shouldn't be picking on people. I just felt
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  Speaker 4: like I wanted to serve. And then I said, I
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  Speaker 4: either want to go in the military or law enforcement.
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  Speaker 4: So I became a member of the Police Athletic League
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  Speaker 4: as a teenager, and I would box and the local
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  Speaker 4: cops and the detectives taught us how to box. We
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  Speaker 4: would go to little competitions and they had this one
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  Speaker 4: detective in my neighborhood. His uh, his name was I
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  Speaker 4: want to say, Mike Jones. That's funny because you got
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  Speaker 4: the rapper Mike Jones. His name, his name was Mike Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and he was notorious for for having his own style
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  Speaker 4: of police work, kind of what you would see on
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  Speaker 4: TV with Hill Street Blues.
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  Speaker 1: His own style.
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  Speaker 4: He had his own style style. But if you ran
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  Speaker 4: from Mike Jones, he would run up next to you.
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  Speaker 4: He would drive up next to you and open the
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  Speaker 4: car door to knock you down. He was old school eighties,
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  Speaker 4: but he had the respect of the community. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you you knew, don't mess with him, and he got
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  Speaker 4: the job done. And I kind of looked up to that.
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  Speaker 4: I said, well, I don't want to be that because
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  Speaker 4: he's kind of nasty, but I do want to, you know,
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  Speaker 4: serve and protect the community, either with military law enforcement.
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  Speaker 4: I I was in a Junior ROTC Air Force JROTC,
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  Speaker 4: and and I didn't like the Air Force because everybody
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  Speaker 4: was perfect. I would get in trouble from time to time.
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  Speaker 4: So I knew once I left my parents' house at
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  Speaker 4: eighteen and went in the military, that trouble would find
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  Speaker 4: me and I would find trouble. So based on that,
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  Speaker 4: I said, I can't go into Air Force because they
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  Speaker 4: will kick you out if you get in trouble the
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  Speaker 4: first time. So I talked to the neighbor recruiter and
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  Speaker 4: he says, well, you can mess up about three or
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  Speaker 4: four times before we kick you out. We expect you
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  Speaker 4: to get in there, have fun, you know, get it
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  Speaker 4: out your system, and then get serious about the Navy.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, that's psal.
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  Speaker 1: That was how many times could I get in?
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  Speaker 3: I will get in trouble.
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  Speaker 4: I only need to find trouble trying to have a
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  Speaker 4: good time, or trouble will find me. We always meet
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  Speaker 4: up when I was a teenager, and me in trouble
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  Speaker 4: would get along have fun, and trouble would leave me
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  Speaker 4: in trouble, and trouble would go away. So I had
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  Speaker 4: to go to a military branch of the military that
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  Speaker 4: understood even now, trouble, nothing big, just trouble that maybe
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  Speaker 4: it was perfect. As a matter of fact. When I
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  Speaker 4: got in, I found out my goal was to make chief.
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  Speaker 4: I just wanted to be a chief because all these
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  Speaker 4: chiefs I had talked to, most of them had been
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  Speaker 4: in some trouble early in life and that made them a.
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  Speaker 3: Better chief when they grew.
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  Speaker 4: So their model was, we don't trust you if you
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  Speaker 4: hadn't got in a little trouble. If I go on
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  Speaker 4: a mission with you and things go wrong, I want
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  Speaker 4: to know that you don't have to pull out destructure
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  Speaker 4: man on how to do this combat mission that you
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  Speaker 4: can just move and adapt to the trouble that you're facing.
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  Speaker 4: You wasn't briefed on A, B and C. Now you're
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  Speaker 4: facing D, E and F. Can you keep going right?
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  Speaker 4: So that's what trouble taught.
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  Speaker 2: Can you have the versatility to think about instinctly how
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  Speaker 2: to actually create a path and real.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly when you're facing trouble in the feeling and Plus,
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  Speaker 4: trouble allowed for growth because I really found out where
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  Speaker 4: when you get in trouble because on acurage and commitment
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  Speaker 4: is the core value of the Navy's so courage. So
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  Speaker 4: when you get in trouble on your personal life, can
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  Speaker 4: you come back to work and tell your supervisor the
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  Speaker 4: truth without giving your supervisor a pretty lie? If you
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  Speaker 4: can do that when you get in trouble personally, when
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  Speaker 4: you do something wrong with the military, they trust you
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  Speaker 4: to come back and have the courage to tell them, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I'm messed up so that we all can come together
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  Speaker 4: and fix it. But if you try to cover it
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  Speaker 4: up and lie and come back with a pretty lie,
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  Speaker 4: well that happened.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody else must have did it. I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: went wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Then you don't get a military a chance to fix it.
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  Speaker 3: Very important, very important.
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  Speaker 5: That's really interesting how you chose where you belonged in
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  Speaker 5: the military, right. It's it's like when you're in school,
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  Speaker 5: like there are some kids that are more academically inclined, right,
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  Speaker 5: there are some kids that are more sports inclined, right,
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  Speaker 5: or arts inclined. And that's sort of how you find
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  Speaker 5: find your tribe.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: And that's I've never heard it broke down this way,
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  Speaker 5: and that's how you you found the Navy.
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  Speaker 1: That's really interesting.
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  Speaker 4: And I absolutely love the Navy even from the start
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  Speaker 4: because the Navy person that we look at ourselves as
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  Speaker 4: the jack of all trades and the master of nothing.
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  Speaker 4: So in the Navy, you can do things like cross
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  Speaker 4: weight rate. You can try to get your surface warfare
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  Speaker 4: air warfare pen. That means, example, on the ship, if
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  Speaker 4: there's three thousand people on the ship and we lost
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  Speaker 4: seventy five percent of the people, as long as those
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  Speaker 4: other twenty five a surface war train, they can run
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  Speaker 4: that ship and fight the trip like this's three thousand people.
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  Speaker 4: So the Navy operated with small numbers and would do
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  Speaker 4: the same thing. I give you an example as an
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  Speaker 4: air force squadron of planes. The Navy may come with
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  Speaker 4: two thirds less planes, two thirds less manpower, but we
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  Speaker 4: can do the same mission as a fully manned air
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  Speaker 4: for shit. And we would go to competitions and they
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  Speaker 4: would look at us and be like, where's the rest
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  Speaker 4: of your crew?
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  Speaker 3: This is it?
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  Speaker 4: You all are gonna Well, yeah, you all are working
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  Speaker 4: eight hours a day and going home. We're working eighteen
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  Speaker 4: hours a day, going and partying and coming back to work.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's the count.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So that was a neighbor. We'll go all day long, every.
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  Speaker 4: Day and operate at full capacity until the mission's over.
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  Speaker 5: So if so, if the Air Force you had to
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  Speaker 5: be perfect, the Navy you you fit? Why not the
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  Speaker 5: Marines or the Army.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I just knew that wasn't a fifth for me.
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  Speaker 4: I was not that boots on the grounds, comeback type soldier. However,
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  Speaker 4: I always inspired to be boots on the ground in
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  Speaker 4: the concrete jungle. And we consider the concrete jungle the
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  Speaker 4: United States military basis, because every day there's a war
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  Speaker 4: out there for military law enforcement to fight. Every day,
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  Speaker 4: somebody's trying to impact our communities, impact our soldiers while
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  Speaker 4: they're home during r and r the soldiers are facing trouble,
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  Speaker 4: the Navy sailors are facing trouble and dependent. So we're
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  Speaker 4: that military force, that law enforcement force that operates in
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  Speaker 4: the concrete jungle, which is the street cent the United States.
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  Speaker 4: So they operate boots on the ground, in the desert,
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  Speaker 4: in the jungles overseas, But who protects them when they're
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  Speaker 4: at home? And just like what you're saying in the
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  Speaker 4: news Now, I stay away from politics, but last week
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  Speaker 4: I believe or the Secretary of Defense approved for military
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  Speaker 4: commanders to authorize military person and to carry their personal
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  Speaker 4: weapons on a military basis. We had fought for that
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  Speaker 4: forever because we were like when we deploy, we get
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  Speaker 4: guns issued, and we carry guns all day long overseas,
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  Speaker 4: but when we come back home, it was fully restricted
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  Speaker 4: for anybody to have a personal weapon on a military base.
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  Speaker 4: But for the first time, that's been changed. So when
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  Speaker 4: you come back home, you can protect yourself. Because what
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  Speaker 4: has happened in the past is that's say Navy ship
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  Speaker 4: goes over and gets into a war and or conflict
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  Speaker 4: and does some bombings or whatever, and they come back
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  Speaker 4: to the United States.
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  Speaker 3: This happened years ago.
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  Speaker 4: You can google it, but there was one captain he
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  Speaker 4: got assassinated. I think his vehicle was blown up with
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  Speaker 4: his family in it because he kept in that ship
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  Speaker 4: on that mission. So the terrorists following him back to
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  Speaker 4: his homeland in the United States, where we're a soft target,
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  Speaker 4: they tracked him down. I think they killed him and
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  Speaker 4: his family.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: You know the well may or may not get into
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  Speaker 2: this too, but the creation of the react units were
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  Speaker 2: a very similar situation. You know that we're an equipped
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  Speaker 2: to defend themselves in the base, and then there was
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  Speaker 2: an active shooter and and he created quite a mess.
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  Speaker 2: So they realized, oh man, we really have to have
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  Speaker 2: a response team here at home too, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So going to the beginnings of you know, I was
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  Speaker 2: an investigator too. What was that first case you got
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  Speaker 2: called and you were like, we got a situation.
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  Speaker 3: Mike, Do I even remember?
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so or a case that you remembered that you
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: were like, oh, okay, this is what I'm built to do.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I can give you a situation without going into
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: a case right now. But I've always dreamed to be
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: an investigator once. I because when you first came in
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: the Navy in the eighties, like I did. You couldn't
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: go straight into law enforcement. You had to have a
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: few years under your belt in the Navy and then
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: you could apply for law enforce because they wanted you
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: to understand the essence of the Navy. They wanted you
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: to understand Navy life before you started doing law enforcement.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: So I went through that. I was in aviation.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: I learned a lot in aviation, learned how the Navy worked,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: and I came to act to do the Navy, and
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I became a Master at Arms. So back then I
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: didn't understand the spirit of the law. I thought it
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: was a letter of the law. So one of my
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: first nicknames that I had over the years was a RoboCop.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: RoboCop was one of my first nicknames because when I
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: was on patrol, if the rule book said.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: This and you violated that, that's that period. There was
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: no gray area. There was no spirit of the law.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: So I'm glad over the years I was taught the
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: spirit of the law. Because my second nickname was ticketmaster.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: If you were I would set on, I would just
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: post up, and if you were five miles old the
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: speed limit, you were getting pulled old. I didn't want
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: to hear anything and you were giving a ticket. I
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: have one funny situation when I was ticketmaster. It was
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: on a Saturday and I was on a joint base
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: where you had a joint services and an Air Force
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: nurse was speeding in housing about thirty or fifteen, and
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I was particularly about the housing area. You don't want
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: to hit a kid, So I pulled the old on
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: a Saturday morning. You know, she thought she was very attractive,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: and she thought she shouldn't get a ticket just because
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: of the way she looked, and I didn't want to
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: hear any of it. I stroked her ticket and said
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: he an nice day. Later that day, I get know
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: that Monday, I get a call from the Chief of
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: police on the basis, since I need you in my office.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: I worked eating the shift, so Monday morning I got
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: to come to his office and stand tall. Yes, see
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: what's going on. She was in the office setting in
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: his chair, and he says, we got a problem. This
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: young lady sit here, said you did a traffic stop
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: on and you asked her for her phone number, and
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: I said, well, let me get my ticket book because
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: I don't I wrote. So I would write forty fifty
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: tickets a day when I was a ticketmaster.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: So you had a record.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So anyway, I go back through my ticket,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: but okay, chief, Yeah, yeah, I did ask her. For
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: a matter of fact, I asked for her home number
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: and cell phone. I'm I sure did he said, you did? Yeah,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: see him on the ticket. There's a block for cell
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: phone number, there's a block for work and home number.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: And I asked her for all three of those.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Because most people are just living blank. They're like, here,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: you go pay the ticket.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Oh she tried this sort of making you were trying
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: to yeah.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: And I was like, just like I asked everybody. Yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: He looked at me, dismissed. Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: So your thoroughness got you called into the office.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Uh fast forward, uh fast forward a month later. Uh
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: uh me and this young lady was on a lunch date.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Oh man, true story, true story, true story. She came
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: in the office on a drill weekend. Is hey, I apologize,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: you know, She says, I was flirting with you. You didn't
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: flirt back, you were just stiff. And she says she's
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: never gotten a ticket from a mail officer. She's always
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: gotten out of it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And I was the first one that toxic relationship.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: That she couldn't shake.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: So yeah, so that was one of my first, uh,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: you know, situations. But fast forward, I became a patrol supervisor.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: One situation down, and I'm not going to name the base.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: We had a runway abandoning the runway and there was
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: six sticks of dynamite all wrapped up nice and neat
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: on a Sunday, and some children in the housing the
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: found it. They called it in and I sent one
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: of them. I sent my youngest and single patrolman out
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: to go look at it. So you go take a
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: look at it. Because in the military we do things
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: a certain way, and it was like, so if something
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: goes wrong, we wanted to go wrong with this person.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: He understood the assignment, so he went out, came back,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: and he says, yes, there, so okay, we're gonna post up,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: We're gonna follow the procedures. So I'm trying to follow
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: a procedure. And the surveyor in charge of our department
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: at the time, he got the call and he came out,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: you know, he's like, Hey, where's this thing at I
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: want to go look at it, sir, you can't go
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: look at it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: It's cordon off were waiting on EOD you know, disclosers.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Bomb unit. We're going by the book. The base commanders
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: are where. He says, Now, there's no way. There's six
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: sticks of dynamite that I want to go look at it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I said, but he's my boss on a day to day.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: But once an incident comes happens, it's called an incident
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: command structure that takes an effect. So I have positional authority.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: So you can't. I said, you could lead an office,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: but you can't go out there.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: He goes.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Anyway, I get a call from the patrol and I said, look,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: let him do whatever he's going to do, and if
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: he does something crazy, stay away from him. And he
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: did something crazy. He looked at it and said he
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: don't think it's real. I mean six sticks of dynamite
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: with a timer on it. And he says he doesn't
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: think it's real. And guess what he does. He picks
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: it up and he says it's not real. So all
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: the one of my guys that was at the gate
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: leading away from that place, don't let him leave because
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: in that timer it could be fake dynamite. But in
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: that time it could be some seafoor. I just don't
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: play with these things. So sure enough they wouldn't let
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: him leave. He was upset. FBI, all the three alphabet
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: people came out. They agreed bomb squadified and make it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: They cording him off, you know, around his vehicle, his
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: truck went through the process. And what happened is the
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: ad National Guard unit they were training out that weekend
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: and they were doing some explosives training and.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: They left that out there.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: But everybody applauded the procedures because that's what you're supposed
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: to do.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: And my boss kind of got in trouble.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: So that was that was the first kind of like
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: you know, it was no, no, it was fake.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: It was a decoy, but it was part of the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: training now right.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: But the EOD said you should have never moved it
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: because you put fake dynamite sticks there and then inside
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: the case where the time it was What if some
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: C four would have been in there and the person
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: was waiting for you to bring it inside of a
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: building to clack clack and explode it. So that that
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: is a story of me falling the rules.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: No gray area.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: You know, I know my positional authority. You know, I
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: don't care if you're my boss, not you're not my boss.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: When an incident is a current, I'm the boss when
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: it's an incident.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: With that effect your relationship with him, Oh.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Give me twenty absolute.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Well, he was an overall boss, the officer in charge,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: but under him was the chief of police, and the
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: chief police is smith. He did the right thing, he says,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: but you gotta watch it. You gotta watch a step.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: And now I could have boss if you if you sneeze,
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: you're in trouble. If anybody else sneeze, is there, okay?
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: And I said, I'll with that badge of honor, I'm
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: that person.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: It was a challenge, but he had to be careful
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: on how he moved because it looked obvious if he
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: went against me.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: What one case scenario.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: When I was in the military about eight years, I
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: was a master law Enforcement trainer in the Federal rem
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: and the Civilian RAM because of my mentor Bob Lindsey,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: the one that helped me with the handcuffing. So I
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: would get calls from everywhere to go do training. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: I got a call to go down for to train
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: the federalities in Mexico City, Mexico. So I took leave.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I took vacation, and my boss pulls me in off.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: He says, why are you going to Mexico City, Mexico.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: So that's personal, he says, tell me, or I would
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: disapprove your lead paper.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: So I tell him.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: He says, put your badge and everything on the table,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: all your credentials. You will not take them with you.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Nobody else has ever told. I said, okay, fine, funny story.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: So when I get down to Mexico City, Mexico, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I start training with the federality, it's true story.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I won't mention any name.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: So the colonel in charge of the whole program man,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: he says, hey, Mike, show me show your guys, your guys,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: your badges, and your credentials for the Navy. So what
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I don't happen? He says, why not? And I tell
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: him the story. It's funny. Now, wasn't it funny about it?
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: He says, you tell your boss, you send him a
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: message for me. Tell him his is to never come
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: down there. If he ever comes down here, he'll never leave.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: And uh, this guy takes me to his headquarters building.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Now I'm nervous. He one day he takes me to
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: his headquarters building. I'm thinking I'm finna be arrested because
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: he tells his guys take a picture of him, put
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: them up against the wall. And I'm like, wait a minute, y'all,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: are you all trying to keep me? Take me hustage?
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: And before I left, he gave me their credentials and
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: their badge. He says, you tell your boss your federality.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Now you're one of us.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: You're one of us. True story.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: So with what all of these experiences and you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you know, you how do you look at all the
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: elements of all these cases and all the things you've answered,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: and all the operations that you've been a part of,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: and how do you filter that in your experience when
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: it comes to take advice and on shows?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And what's the biggest challenge when that you see when
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you're when you're trying to technically advice you know, a production.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: What what what I learned in the Navy, and it
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: transcends to the the film industry, is that once I
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: became a chief. When you make chief in the Navy,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: it's a big deal. You go through this big initiation
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: training process and it's just you have to learn about
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: all military branches, all ranks, and they just put you
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: through the ringer for months because you're the expert.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: In the Navy.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: If a chief walks in and somebody has a question,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: they're going to turn and say, well, ask the chief,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: and that chief will find out if I don't know
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: that you can ask me about banana pudding. I'm gonna
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: call a chief that's a chef, and he's going to
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: tell me about banana pudding. I'm gonna come back to
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: you and tell you about banana pudding. It doesn't make
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: a difference. So what I learned in the Navy is
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: but first of all, once I my rank, I got
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: to a high enough rank of master on his first class,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: I was able to apply for a command investigator and
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: go to the investigator school, which military investigators in the
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Navy are trained by the Army. That Fort Leonarwood, Missouri
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: is the military police investigator school. You do everything an
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: agent does, except for you don't do cases with a
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: dead body. And I learned that from and see I
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: asked because I had to work dead bodies with them.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Once I came back, it was kind of an OJT.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: The one thing I didn't appreciate was the interviewing interrogation
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: technique that we were taught. It's called the read technique
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: of interviewing interrogation. It's good cop, bad cop, the stuff
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: you see on TV. And as I tried to use it,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: I noticed that the criminals during that era and even today,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: they can sniff out a lie. Most humans can sniff
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: out a lie. So when you try to play good
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: cop bad cop, those people will get caught up in
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: that and get called out by the bad guy. So
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: now you've lost the bad guy because you disrespect the
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: bad guy.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: You know they you lied to them. You know.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: One of the biggest lies that you're taught with that
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: type of technique is I may walk in if you're
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: the suspect, and I may say, you know what, you
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: tell me the truth, I will not arrest you. And
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: me and Wilma are the cops. And you look at
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: me and say you want arrest me. No, I promise you,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I want to arrest you if you tell me the truth.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: So you tell me the truth, and I look at Wilmer,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I said, you're arresting Yeah, right to.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Me, that's dirty.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: You know when I walk in the room, I look
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: a here, this is who I am. I want to
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: help you. Oh, you're going to jail. So I'm gonna
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: tell you're going to jail. But can I help you
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: get less time when you get out? Can I help
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: you get a job in a career, because.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Some things are inevitable.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you did, you're.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Going to jail.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: But my thing is where did life go wrong? So
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: my interviews will be so long because I want to
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: go back and figure out where life went wrong, because
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: any of us life can go wrong. I would tell
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: every suspect that I interviewed that was in a bad situation.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I said, there's nothing separating me and you let the
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: wrong thing go wrong. Let somebody attack one of my daughters.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I'm in that seat. There is no I apologies, No,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: I'm coming after you, and I'm gonna be having my
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: rights read to me if you put your hands on
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: my daughter point blank. And I would tell them that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: They look at me like for real, say yeah, I
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: can't touch my daughters. I'm not a cop. That I'm dad,
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: and so I can with my own style of interrogation
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: and believe it or not. Last year I got a
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: call from NCA. I said and said, they're going to
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: start using my technique. Once I found out what life
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: wren wrong, then we would talk about what happened. And
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: I've learned through that technique to not tell the suspect
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I believe you did it. You know most cauts, we
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: know you did it. No, no, no. I would go
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: in and be like, what if the person that got hurt,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: how did they attribute to their own.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Pain?
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: The other words, did they because believe it or not,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: ninety percent of the people that get hurt by another
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: person had something to do with getting themselves hurt. You know,
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: like if I tell if a bad guy says, stop
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: messing with my wife and you don't you mess with
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: his wife again and he hurts you, you were waring?
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Why did you keep you know, like, don't push me,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: and you push me and I hurt you. Now you're
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: calling the police. So and usually when I'm talking to
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: a suspect, they would gladly tell me what that person
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: did to get themselves hurt. And if they could tell
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: me every detail of what that person did to get
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: themselves hurt, that means you're the person that hurt them.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: So we're not talking about you hurting them, We're talking
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: about what they did to get hurt. And that's the
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: way I went into interviews and interrogations, and I would
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: let them know straight up, Hey, if you had a
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: lawyer in here, they would tell you, don't talk to me.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Your best advice is not to talk to me because
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: I'm going to break you. I break ninety percent of
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: the people I interrogate. But I'm also the guy that's
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: going to kind of help you. See what's the best
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: best path to go down to get you to the less
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: amount of punishment Because you didn't put yourself in that chair.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Somebody helped put you in that chair. If that was
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: the case. Now, if it wasn't the case and you
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: were just an evil guy, I would tell you, you know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: my worst.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Case was an evil guy.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: And if you don't mind me sharing this, So there
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: was I got a call from NCIS because some agents
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: had seen my interrogation technique and NCIS agency are held
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: to a specific standard and they don't go outside the standard.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: I was a military investigator, so I could float into
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: in this gray area. So I got a call to
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: go to meet them at a police agency. And I'm
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: not even gonna say the state. They had been interrogating
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: this guy with the local police for about six hours.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: He was believed to have killed his navy wife. So
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: they called me down and one of an agents said, hey, Mike,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: can you break this guy. Y'all can break them. Y'all
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: had him hollow six hours. Okay, he's pissed off. He's
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: a career criminal. He had previously been arrested and in
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: jail for years for killing one of his girlfriends lovers
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: and an attempted to kill his girlfriend, and his Navy
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: wife met him in prison when she was visiting her
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: son who was in prison. So I go down to
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: the to interrogate him, and I said, look, y'all already
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: messed this up. In my opinion, it's going to be hard.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: I'm going to break him, but I'm not going to
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: have him tell me what he did to his wife,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: because I knew his wife. She was a great woman,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: a military PEDI alsher just great person, and I don't
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: want to hear it because it's gonna break my heart emotion.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I said, Okay, okay, Mike. They didn't believe me.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: So I go in and I'm interrogating this guy, and
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: I'll tell him say, look, whatever they told you, don't
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: listen to me.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: He was pissed off of them.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: They played the good cop, bad cop, and I says,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: don't repeat nothing you said to them.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Here's the deal. I know who killed your wife.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: He says, you do. You need to get out there
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: and get him. I said, no, let's talk about I
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: know who killed your wife. And he says, who killed
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: my wife? I said, the Navy killed your wife. He says,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: the Navy killed my wife. I said, yeah, last year,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: all this time, whenever the Navy calls your wife one
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning to it, she gets up and
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: she leaves. Now, you've been incarcerated for years and the
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: only thing you know is respect, and that's disrespectful to you.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: You wake up at two o'clock in the morning ask
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: your wife to go to the store. She's going to
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: be like, you're crazy. To go back to sleep. So
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: your wife has more safe The Navy has more safe
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: so over your wife than you do. That's disrespect I
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: asked here. When those guys brought your wife home in
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: the middle of the night because she was late coming
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: from work, you pulled a piscil out on them, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: you lied about it because you're on probation and you
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: would go back to jail for eleven years. I said,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: don't admit to that, not yet, because if they hear you,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: they're listening, you'll be admitting to a crime and you'll
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: have to go back to jail. So later on in
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: the conversation, I was like, show me some respect and
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: tell me the truth about that gun you pulled on
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: knowing that you'll go back to jail. He said, you
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: dog gonna ride out there, he said, I showed. I said,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: thank you for that. Now we respecting each other. I said,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Now let's get to who killed your wife. I said,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: remember it was a navy and she had a part
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: in that whole being killed herself. And he says, what
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: do you mean. I said, in that bedroom, y'all got
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: into an argument. She pulled a gun on you because
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: that's what the Navy taught her. How dare she pulled
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: a gun on you. That's disrespectful. So you took the
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: gun and you shot her, simple as that. So he
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: looked at me, he says, you know what you right?
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I said, hold on, I don't want to hear. I said,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: don't tell me nothing, because I had love.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: For your wife.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Man, your wife was a super great woman, a great
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about what happened in that bedroom.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: I know the Navy killed your wife. So I'm gonna
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: walk out. Somebody else is gonna come in and you
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: can tell them the truth. And I walked out, and
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: the guys behind the one way glass that was like, Mike,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: he was about to tell you go back in. I said,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: y'all thought I was lying. But when I went in there,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I told you all, I didn't want to hear it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: I didn't want that in my head. I didn't want
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: it in my brain. I didn't want it in my heart.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: You've got enough to put him in jail for eleven
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: years off admitting to the gun a year ago. He's
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: a feeling go get it. He'll he'll tell you.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: But I'm gone.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: And I left an in size agent that called me
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: down there. It's like, wow, like you broke that guy.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: I says, no, you just had to show him respect.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Is there?
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Have you named your interrogation technique something I didn't?
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: It's the mic effect.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Well, when the agent called me out of Norfolk and
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: he says, Mike, we're finn start trying to use your technique.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Because here's a problem with my technique. If you shoplift,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be talking to you about four hours
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: about your life.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Nobody has time for that because.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: It's almost like a therapy aspect to it.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: It is technique.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: It is I don't want I don't care about the shoplift,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: and we got your own camera. I want to know
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: what life went wrong? Why do you feel that you
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: have to do that? It's the economy, because I would
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: blame a lot of stuff on the economy. People cannot
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: afford to live in this economy, so people are going
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: to sell drugs because they can make great money. You
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: can have a one hundred thousand dollars a year job
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: in California.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Not make it. We'll talk.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: But in the eighties, that one hundred thousand dollars jobs,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: you can buy a mansion. But now one hundred thousand
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: dollars job you broke. You got a couple of kids
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: on my wife, so now you sell drugs on the side.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I catch you selling drugs. Why are you selling drugs? Well?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: My daughter crazy?
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: No, No, why are you selling drugs? Well, my daughter
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: wants to do ballet. They got a trip to Disney World.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: I could afford every day barely. I can't afford extra
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: so I thought I could do this on the side.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: So I wanted to know what life went wrong? So interesting,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: that's what I want to know.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: I'm so interested in interrogation, and this is a perspective
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: that I've never heard.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: That's what I want to know.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Everybody was born with the same thing, with the same
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: when you were a baby. When you were born, you
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: didn't come in the world. I want to be bad.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I want to be a drug dealer. I want to
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: be a killer. Nobody nobody came in the world like that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: So I want to know where it work. I want
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: to know who loves you, Who is cound on you.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: You're a navy guy, you're in trouble? Who and a guy?
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: One guy told me he was a drug dealer on
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: the side of my grandmother. She was depending on me
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: to make it. That's why I sold drugs. I had
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: to go back home and pretend I was big time,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: because when you first come in the nighby, you don't
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: make no money. So he had to pretend he was
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: big time. Now he left home and he's making it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: His girlfriend was local, and she was one of those
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: drug dealer girlfriends, and she wanted a range rope and
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: he had to buy it for and his neighbor's salary
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: wasn't cutting any of that. He had to buy a house.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: He felt like he had to do all these things right. Yeah,
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: and great guy he just sold drugs because of that,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: he needed to make all this money.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he needed to make the old house.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, so he could, so he could show that lifestyle.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: And when he could have just took the career path
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: and slowly but surely. You know, once you get up
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: in ranking the NAVE, you make decent money, you make
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: good money. And my thing, when I interrogated him, I
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: was like, I want to know where life went wrong.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I want to know who out there is depending on you.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: He took a smoke break and he came back. He says,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: why do you care? Because that could be me, that
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: could be my child. Man, you could you know different
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: than me. I'm no different than you. So I got
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: to figure this out. What life went wrong? So the
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: next guy I can teach, don't do this because of
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: what happened to you. You know, that guy would have
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: been great. He could have opened a long care business.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: He could have made megabucks on the side, something legit,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: you know, started a business. I could have taught you
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: that while you're in the Navy. I could have taught
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: you things where you can make kind of big extra money.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: But here we are, So now the next guy, you
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: need to tell them, I need to tell them.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, pretty amazing, fascinating.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: It goes to tell you that when you know, in
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: coming full circle to those incredible, humbling stories, just you know,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: you can't teach that. You got to you got to
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: learn how to navigate, and you've got to make decisions
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: on the fly. You you're light on your feed. You know,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you're following the breadcrumbs. But but but human logic is
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: really your superpower, you know, understanding the understanding, the heartstrings,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: you know, the why. You know you get to the
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: why then you know how right. But it's really important.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: And I've seen you know, I've seen you on on set,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: you know, fighting the common sense, you know, and like
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: we we have to make certain things make work on screen,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: you know. And I think one of the things about
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: n cis that I think works really well with us
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: is the fact that you know, we there's still a
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: lot of humanity in our show. You know, our characters
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: are living, our breathing, our feeling. You know, we have
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: an opinion about the cases where they work crack And
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's what special about n c I is,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: which I think is why you do so well with us,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: because you you look at the humanity and what we
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: do interrogations, when we do, you know, witness fact check
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: in or whatever. You know, there's a level of humanity
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that that shows into the technical side of things.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And uh, and you know we're.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Both Freddie, we're both sticklers on set like, oh yes,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: you know, if we've seen something, they're asking us subliminated
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: to look the other way.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: We can't.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: Then how do you then, how do you navigate through that?
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: When when when when someone's trying to take dramatic license
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: versus what you know is factual?
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: How do you how do you meet in the middle?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: How do you navigate through that?
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Well, for me, that that starts two weeks before we film,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: because son, that's a draft comes out. That's when I start.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: And so this writer room, this writer's room believes that
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I'm just quick, fast and professional. I'm forgetful. So when
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I get the script, I've got to scrub it. Right then,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: I've got to send in notes right now. I can
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: get that script at ten o'clock at night. I'll stay
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: up eight hours and my notes are the first one
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: to hit the writers and the show runner and they
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: take them into serious consideration.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: And then when I get to the office, we.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Go over and sometimes hey, Mike, no, no, we need
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: this for comedic and they do explain. They don't have to,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: but they explain to me why they need a B
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: and C. But the one thing I try to do
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: that I learned in my first show with Scott Beckler,
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: you know, Lucas Black, is I have to have a
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: relationship with the actors, and that relationship I have to
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: ask them point blank, how do you want me to
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: deal with you?
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: You know, do you and your character? Do you want
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: to do the right thing, wrong thing? You know?
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: What do you want to know? Because on the day
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: of filming, if I can't solve it in the writer's
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: room and all the writers room they know this, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: my first show runner, the rules are kind of like,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: you don't talk to the actors, you know, you only
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: talk to the writers. Scott Becker would always ask me
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: questions and I was like, so I'm not supposed to
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: answer this man. He's number one on the call she ep.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Tell him, don't ask me no questions that I won't
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: ask him. So that was my first induction in this
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: and it was like I've learned, Hey, the actors want
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: to know, and they want to know to real because
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: their face they're representing the show. So I forged that
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: relationship where I'm able to say to an actor, hey,
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: I thought to get something changed.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Is wrong?
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Here it is now, it's in your court. And he's
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: a perfect example. I'll never forget. There was a writer.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: He's no longer with us, but there was a writer
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: that in the script, Dasus were going to walk into
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: a room and they were going to get a faint
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: scent of poison, and there was an a vow under
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: the sofa, and that the writer had Wilma going over,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: reaching up under the sofa, grabbing his val put it
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: up to his nose and sniffing and taking a good
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: whiff of his poison. And I'm thinking, are you out
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: your mind? But I couldn't get the right of the change.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: I was like, look, I'm helping you. You cannot keep
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: this in the script. He changed everything. I says he
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: cannot sniff poison poison, but Mike is closed. I don't
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: care what it is. He can't even look like that.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: The right of refuse to change. So now I gotta
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: jump the chain of command, the one thing I hate doing,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: and I gotta go to the actor. I sneak whatever
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: I gotta do text, I gotta whisper to him, and I
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: got to send it in a pigeon messenger or something.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: So I said it to him and he's like, okay,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: I got it. He doesn't say nothing until after they rehearsed,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: and if I remember, he's got this. They rehearsed, and
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: he's got this little valve in his hand. He's just
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: looking and the director's like you okay with him? Everything okay,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: so no, no, give me a minute. And then he
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: just opens up.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: You remember that day of course, and forget it.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I knew the dilemma, you know, And as
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: soon as we rehearsed, I all I had to do
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: was lift it up my face and be like, so
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna smell it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: So you can hear a pin drop.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: So that writer like, I mean no, at that point, once,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: once he goes into Wilmer logic. I think at that
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: point is like they got to call a showrunner for
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: me to like let it go. You know, even as
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: the showrunner, they gotta have a really good argument, you know.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: You know, I lift it up and I was like,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna smell it, Like, isn't this supposed to
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: be like poison?
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: You?
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Like I knew that it was wrong, but it's just like,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: for the people at home, how do you describe that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: this may or may not be the vow that we
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: were vowed that we were looking for, because then you
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: need an extra scene and where like the forensics tells you, hey,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: came positive it was the poson one.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: You know, you don't have that many pages.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: So like the the quickest shortcut for a writer is
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: they're just like, oh, this might be what we're looking for.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: But like the protocol says, put on gloves for a reason, right,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and if something looks suspect, bagg it, take it with you.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: You're not trying to solve the case there, right, Like
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: you're not just supposed to be like, yeah, poison right, right, No,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: put that in the back and then take it to
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: For instance, they got to do that job, right, yeah, but.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: The writers still got what he wanted because he wanted
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: this sniff effect. I says, well, when they walk in,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: if they start doing that and that's what sends them
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: to it, that's all your issue now.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: But he's not saying everything he did that day, big
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: ahead it.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: This is what I remember most about when he when
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: they when they asked him if he was okay, He
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: was just sitting there rehearsal's over. He looks up at
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: the writer and he says, are we the best investigators
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: in the world.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, that's what he did.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you're supposed to be the best investigative team
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: in the history of television. We've solved five hundred cases.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: That's the team. Like this can be how we go
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: about that. I'm supposed to be the best investigative team
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: in the world.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: That was That was my opening statement.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: That was my opening statement. He was looking at the
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: right and the writer looks at me. I was like, Oh, yeah,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: that's hand.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: That's all I had.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: That's all that guy.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: And I hate to do that because I try to
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: fight for things. Way before we get to the actors.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: We get to the set, and nine and a half
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: percent of the time that does happen.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: And I got to tell you that coloration is really
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: important because at the end of the day, when it
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: goes on the screen, the writer gets to glory.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely right, the show gets to glory.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, the producers care, right, but all of us have
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: to really.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Be paying attention.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: We all have to care because look, I can, I
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: can give the writer tons of grace. You got to
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: write an episode one of the most watched shows and television. Yes,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: and you're also handling a community, you know, the sacrifices
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: so much for the freedom of the United States, right,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: the military.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: You want to get it right.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: But you also want to be entertaining, but you also
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: want to get it right right, So those little things
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: really really matter to me.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: And also I'm kind of like the.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Worst case scenario for a writer because I'm the global
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: ambassador to the USO. Right, I've traveled the planet, you know,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: for twenty years, visiting our banding women of the military.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: So it's like I.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Can't I just can't land somewhere. Yeah, you know what,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: you picked up the point, how are you not dead?
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: You're not dead? But what I love about this show
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: and all other shows is just the collaboration that that
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  Speaker 4: they allow me because I have to learn the actors
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  Speaker 4: and the writers. So when I'm when I'm deliberating with
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  Speaker 4: the writers, I would tell them in the heartbeat, well
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  Speaker 4: we need two or three other options, because I believe
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  Speaker 4: this actor when we get there on the day, because
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  Speaker 4: they know what they're doing, they're going to ask a
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  Speaker 4: question in front of everybody, and we got to have
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  Speaker 4: two solutions. I say, so you're in the ballpark. I
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  Speaker 4: just don't think the actor is going to go for it.
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  Speaker 4: And I never say none of them. Next thing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they do it automatically. Hey is this right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: No, And after we go back to the writers and hey,
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  Speaker 4: thank you for that, Mike. And I appreciate the writers
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  Speaker 4: because they allow me to have these conversations with them, and.
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  Speaker 2: You want to have these conversations, but sometimes the math
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  Speaker 2: doesn't be mathing. No, right, So it's like when you
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  Speaker 2: go to tell the story on screen, it's just very
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  Speaker 2: different than protocol, you know. So it's always a dance,
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  Speaker 2: it's always a pool and tugue, you know. But but Mike,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just so grateful man. Thank you for spending a
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  Speaker 2: little time with us, Thank you for opening your stories
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  Speaker 2: to us and grateful for your service and also your
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  Speaker 2: service on that screen because because of you, we continue
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  Speaker 2: to immortalize the heroes that wear the batch or wear
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  Speaker 2: the uniforms.
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  Speaker 3: So thank you for your service.
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  Speaker 1: It's mylations.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm Wilmer Valdorama, I'm Freddie Rodriez and uh, this
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  Speaker 2: is does some egos if you enjoy it, and Freddie.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Mike Smith in the house.
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  Speaker 5: Do Amigos is a production from WV Sound and iHeartMedia's
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  Speaker 5: Michael touda podcast network hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez, and
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  Speaker 5: Wilmer Valdorama.
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  Speaker 2: Those Amigos is produced by Cooper Mole and Sophie Spencer Saveles.
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  Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Wilmervalderama, Freddie Rodriguez, and Leo Klem
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  Speaker 5: at WV Sound.
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  Speaker 2: This show is mixed and mastered by Sean Tracy and
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  Speaker 2: original music by Madison Devinport and Hala Boy.
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  Speaker 5: For more podcasts from my Heart, visit the I Heart
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  Speaker 5: Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your
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  Speaker 5: favorite shows.
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  Speaker 1: See you next week.