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Rugby Direct: Episode 212 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 3: As the All Blacks assistant coaches.
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  Speaker 4: Have been named Elliott Smith with me, Liam Napier and Napes,
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  Speaker 4: we finally have our All Blacks coaching staff complete.
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  Speaker 3: Not too many surprises.
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  Speaker 4: If you haven't caught up with it by now, well
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  Speaker 4: it's pretty much what has been reported for the last
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  Speaker 4: few weeks. Dave Ronnie obviously the head coach, Neil Barnes
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  Speaker 4: senior assistant coach, Jason Ryan, Ford's coach for a long time,
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  Speaker 4: Umonga the defense coach, Mike Lee are the attack coach,
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  Speaker 4: and Phil Heay is the head of performance.
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  Speaker 3: Liam.
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  Speaker 4: I guess your initial reaction to that coaching group now
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  Speaker 4: that it's out.
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  Speaker 5: I guess, first and foremost, Elliott, it's a full scale
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  Speaker 5: bean out essentially, isn't it. Jason Ryan the only coach
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  Speaker 5: to retain his posts which might be rescoped as well.
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  Speaker 2: So we expected that with Dave.
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  Speaker 5: Rennie coming in a new head coach, but I think
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  Speaker 5: it also speaks to some of the flaws in the
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  Speaker 5: previous coaching stuff. I know New Zealand Rugby wanted Dave
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  Speaker 5: Rennie to strongly consider Scott Hansen, but ultimately Rennie has
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  Speaker 5: got his man and Mike Bleir to run the attack.
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  Speaker 5: Interesting to see somebody Allison's promotion to a Mauldy or
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  Speaker 5: Black's head coach. I think that speaks to his standing
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  Speaker 5: and how he's regarded with the New Zealand Rugby on
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  Speaker 5: the whole. This coaching team, I guess the proof is
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  Speaker 5: going to be in the pudding, isn't it. I'm sure
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  Speaker 5: there are some question marks, but it is an experienced
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  Speaker 5: coaching group. They've had a lot of experiences. Neil Barnes
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  Speaker 5: coaching internationally, among has been around. He commands a lot
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  Speaker 5: of mana and I think what you'll see from that
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  Speaker 5: group is there's some hard heads and I think there'll
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  Speaker 5: be a real edge and I think you'll see the
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  Speaker 5: All Blacks be a lot more physical and direct in
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  Speaker 5: their approach and then look to bring some panash back
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  Speaker 5: to their attack as well.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is what I was going to ask as well.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously they've gone with Mike Blair as the attack coach
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  Speaker 4: and decided that Scott Hansen's not the guy, or Dave
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  Speaker 4: Rinnie has decided that he's not the guy. But I
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  Speaker 4: think you look at him and go, clearly, this is
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  Speaker 4: a guy that's comfortable working with Dave Rinnie. Mike Bleir
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  Speaker 4: and daver Reny've worked together in a couple of teams.
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  Speaker 4: Now they know they're attacking style. So you'd expect some
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  Speaker 4: innovation there from Mike Bleir given the way that Kobe
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  Speaker 4: haven't played this year and got themselves right up there
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  Speaker 4: in terms of the Japanese comp So there's a few
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  Speaker 4: clue there as to how the All Blacks might play
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  Speaker 4: under Dave Rennie and Mike Blears attacking systems.
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  Speaker 5: I think the key point there is that they've worked
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  Speaker 5: together and they know each other well, and they can
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  Speaker 5: plot plans from now until July when they'll take charge
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  Speaker 5: of the All Blacks while they their commitment is to Kobe.
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  Speaker 5: In their downtime they're in Japan together, they can work
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  Speaker 5: on formulating structures and systems to bring into that All
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  Speaker 5: Blacks attack and let's not overlook the fact that Dave
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  Speaker 5: Rennie by trade as an attack coach, and so he'll
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  Speaker 5: have some clear ideas about where he wants to go
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  Speaker 5: with that and where he wants Mike Blair to fit
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  Speaker 5: in and what he wants them to bring, and they've
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  Speaker 5: clearly been doing.
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  Speaker 2: That for the last few years together.
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  Speaker 5: From what I understand, Mike Blair is quite a structured,
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  Speaker 5: stats based attack coach, so maybe he's a bit of
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  Speaker 5: a foil for Renny in that regard.
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  Speaker 4: Will you surprised that Jason Ryan stuck around looking We
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  Speaker 4: kind of expect to that He's going to have a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of a truncated role, but going to focus
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  Speaker 4: on the scrum and the mall. Neil Barnes is going
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  Speaker 4: to have a look at the lineouts as well as
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  Speaker 4: his senior assistance. Brief but clearly Jason Ryan and what
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  Speaker 4: he brings to this group is value given he's the
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  Speaker 4: only survivor from the previous regime.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not just the previous regime, is it?
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  Speaker 5: He's now coached under three All Black head coaches, Ian Foster,
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  Speaker 5: Scott Robertson and incoming head coach Dave Rene so I
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  Speaker 5: think he's highly regarded by the players, but.
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  Speaker 2: It is interesting to see his role rescope.
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  Speaker 5: I think under Scott Robertson his remits probably became too broad.
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  Speaker 5: He had a huge responsibility for the Ford pack, the
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  Speaker 5: line out, the scrum, the mall, the contact area, all
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  Speaker 5: those things prior to Brent Evans coming on board as
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  Speaker 5: lineout coach last year. So I think it is important
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  Speaker 5: that those roles are tightened up and rarely defined, and
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  Speaker 5: I think that will help bring out the best in
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  Speaker 5: Jason Ryan. But I'm not surprised to see him retains.
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  Speaker 5: Any time you talk to players within their all black environment,
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  Speaker 5: they speak highly of Jason Ryan. So I guess there
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  Speaker 5: is some form of continuity there, but there are massive changes,
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  Speaker 5: aren't there on the whole.
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  Speaker 4: There are indeed tana Umunger as well coming in as
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  Speaker 4: defense coach. Now people probably look at Mowana Pacifica and
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  Speaker 4: go they ship fifty on the weekend. They shipped forty
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  Speaker 4: three last week against the Blues. They had a big
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  Speaker 4: heavy loss to the Hurricanes earlier on in the season.
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  Speaker 4: What does this bloke know about defense? Is it a
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  Speaker 4: case of not having the cattle at Mowana Pacifica and
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  Speaker 4: the defensive systems are actually okay because you look back
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  Speaker 4: at the Blues tenure when he was there and relatively
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  Speaker 4: good success. I think he left end of twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: two if memory serves to fulfill that Mowana role. So
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  Speaker 4: he's been out of that Blues environment for a couple
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  Speaker 4: of years where he was the assists. But as a
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  Speaker 4: case of when he's got a narrow focus, it's the
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  Speaker 4: right role for Tanaumonger.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I can understand question marks about Tana specifically as
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  Speaker 5: a defense coach in regards to Howmana are traveling currently.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 5: It's very easy to look at them in their current state.
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  Speaker 5: But they did well last year and I think he
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  Speaker 5: was reasonably good at the Blues as a defense coach
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  Speaker 5: and a lot is a very important role.
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  Speaker 2: And for me, Look.
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  Speaker 5: While structures and systems are important, and we've seen the
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  Speaker 5: prevalence of rush defense and potentially been more exposed in
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  Speaker 5: recent times with teams finding ways around to get their
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  Speaker 5: wingers the ball in space, but for me, defense is
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  Speaker 5: as much attitude as anything else, and it's putting your
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  Speaker 5: body on the line. It's been physical and that's a
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  Speaker 5: high priority, and I think Tina coming in is going
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  Speaker 5: to command that respect. He's going to bring their edge.
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  Speaker 5: And I think what he brought as a player certainly
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  Speaker 5: was that physicality, the ability to knock people over, the
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  Speaker 5: ability to get turnover possession, and you know, the All
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  Speaker 5: Blacks historically not so much. Under Raiser was so good
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  Speaker 5: at flicking the switch between defense and attack, and I
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  Speaker 5: think we need to see a massive improvement in that regard.
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  Speaker 5: So I think maybe the jury's out in regards toa
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  Speaker 5: Tana as a defense coach.
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  Speaker 2: But I think from an.
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  Speaker 5: Attitude perspective, if he's getting up and telling you to
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  Speaker 5: get off the line and smack someone over, you're gonna
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  Speaker 5: listen and follow what he says.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he brings marna, and marna isn't everything. You know,
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  Speaker 4: He's still got to do the job, but he comes
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  Speaker 4: into the environment with a lot of respect. I think
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  Speaker 4: Tinman and just to round this out, this quick podcast
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  Speaker 4: napes Neil Barnes coming and we touched on him at
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  Speaker 4: the top of He's bit of a cult hero around
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  Speaker 4: the Traps. Here an interview with him, and he's got
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  Speaker 4: that old school mentality. He was a bit of a
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  Speaker 4: cult hero from the Netflix series and the Six Nations
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  Speaker 4: they did when he was assistant coach with Italy, but
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  Speaker 4: put that all aside, and he's very astute coach and
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  Speaker 4: you look at his record with Tartanaki, it's outstanding. He's
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  Speaker 4: brought a lot of young players through, worked with a
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  Speaker 4: lot of you know, players at a grassroots level up
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  Speaker 4: and developed them into super uggie players and beyond. It's
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  Speaker 4: convencing to see how they know him and Reny sloped
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  Speaker 4: back together after a few years apart. And whether it's
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  Speaker 4: a good cop bad cop scenarigo, but I think ultimately
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  Speaker 4: this is a nice move for the all blacks environment.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's a good way of painting that actually
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  Speaker 5: a good cop bad cop when he's very open about
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  Speaker 5: the fact that he'll put an arm around you while
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  Speaker 5: he kicks you. In terms of trying to get the
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  Speaker 5: best out of it, well, Neil Barnes is very much
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  Speaker 5: a hard heads and he's not afraid to be outspoken
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  Speaker 5: publicly against New Zealand Rugby and the like, and recent
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  Speaker 5: times he's a very big advocate for the NPC. He's
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  Speaker 5: very forth right in his views and doesn't stuffer fools
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  Speaker 5: and I think we saw him get the best out
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  Speaker 5: of the Chiefs Foard Pack under any He's widely regarded
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  Speaker 5: as a great line out technician, which would be very
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  Speaker 5: important in terms of the All Blacks winning ball and
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  Speaker 5: contesting ball. But fundamentally, I think he's just a tough
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  Speaker 5: man and hard heads, like you say, old school, and
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  Speaker 5: I think there's a place for that in modern rugby,
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  Speaker 5: a place to hit players between the eyes. We've seen
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  Speaker 5: Van Kotta have success in that regards at the Blues.
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  Speaker 5: I think Jamie Joseph is that type of character, and
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  Speaker 5: I think Neil Barnes will bring that type of attitudes
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  Speaker 5: and intensity and forthrightness to the All Blacks environments and
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  Speaker 5: you know, ensure that everyone's on the same page, but
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  Speaker 5: also if someone needs to kick up the ars, that
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  Speaker 5: they'll get that too.
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  Speaker 4: That's sort of the environment we promote here on Ragby
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  Speaker 4: Direct as well. I think I'm the good copy or
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  Speaker 4: the bad cop, and it works really well.
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  Speaker 2: It does indeed, Yeah, the dream Team.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Nate say, thanks for jumping on. We'll hear
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  Speaker 4: more from you, hopefully later in the week on our
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