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Killer Thriller: Jaime King Challenges Everything You Think You Know About Sherri Papini · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. Holmes present Killer Thriller with your
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  Speaker 1: host Alisa Donovan.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me today is actress Jamie King, best known for
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  Speaker 2: her roles in Heart of Dixie, White Chick, Sin City,
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  Speaker 2: and Pearl Harbor. But today we are talking about one
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  Speaker 2: of her most psychologically complex roles, portraying Cherry Peppini in
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  Speaker 2: lifetime's hoax, the Kidnapping of Sherry Peppini. This is really
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  Speaker 2: a wild one. When Cherry Peppini vanished during a jog
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  Speaker 2: in northern California, it became one of the nation's biggest
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  Speaker 2: missing person cases. Twenty two days later, she reappeared, claiming
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  Speaker 2: she'd been kidnapped. Years later, investigators concluded the disappearance had
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  Speaker 2: been staged, leading to a federal guilty place. More recently,
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  Speaker 2: Peppinia has publicly offered a different version of events, keeping
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  Speaker 2: the controversy very much alive.
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  Speaker 1: So this isn't just a story about a disappearance.
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  Speaker 2: It's about deception, perception, trauma, and why some mysteries continue
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  Speaker 2: to divide us long after the headlines fade. Hi, Jamie,
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Killer thriller. Thank you so much for talking
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  Speaker 2: with me today.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, your work in this movie is so good.
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  Speaker 2: It's like just such a deeply upsetting and confusing and
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  Speaker 2: wild story, and you really have all of those colors
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  Speaker 2: in this character.
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  Speaker 1: So congratulations. She did an awesome job.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing that. It felt like all of
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  Speaker 3: those things.
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  Speaker 4: It did it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it looks like it.
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  Speaker 3: So it's emotional to even like talk about it, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, why what do you feel?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 1: What's the identification or.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's just a very uh. I have a very
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  Speaker 3: pure like frame of mind and heart. Like when I
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  Speaker 3: first saw it, I first saw the article, it was
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  Speaker 3: like way past I guess when it all happened. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not want to really like keep up on pop culture
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  Speaker 3: like that. I'm so busy like writing movies and making
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  Speaker 3: them and yeah, I and then I saw it on
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  Speaker 3: the cover of People I believe it was People magazine,
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  Speaker 3: and I called my manager and I was like, we
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  Speaker 3: need to option this because.
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  Speaker 1: I oh wow, really yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Felt this inherent need to protect this person.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I.
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  Speaker 3: Was like, something's wrong, like something's up, something's wrong, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm a woman's woman, and I just yeah, I immediately
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  Speaker 3: felt this need to protect. I was like, I think
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  Speaker 3: the media has this all wrong, Like I don't even
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  Speaker 3: know because it's like, you know, it's a weekly magazine.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like I It wasn't like a deep dive.
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  Speaker 3: It was like an immediate, visceral, very palpable feeling that
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  Speaker 3: came over me. And he was essentially like, that's so
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  Speaker 3: strange because you just got an offer, and I was like, for.
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  Speaker 2: What, no, yes, oh my gosh, I love this. It's
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  Speaker 2: I talk about men to be you can't even Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, wait, you know, there's no way.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody thought of it before you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to be a baddie, like I need a
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  Speaker 3: option this story because I don't think enough that people
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  Speaker 3: know about it. Apparently the whole world knew about it,
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  Speaker 3: but I was just late to the game. I guess
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have any access to her. She was at
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  Speaker 3: that time currently in jail, and and I just I
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  Speaker 3: just felt like there were like just so many like how,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I wanted to know more about where
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  Speaker 3: she was coming from, why she was like you know,
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  Speaker 3: why it happened, because it's just so like the very
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  Speaker 3: few details that I had read at that point.
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  Speaker 1: At what point was was this in the This.
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  Speaker 3: Must have been twenty twenty. She had changed the story.
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  Speaker 3: But I thought that she had changed this story because
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  Speaker 3: she was scared.
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  Speaker 2: So you did you you believe that she changed the
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  Speaker 2: score the story? You think she was scared of what
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  Speaker 2: of her husband? So that that's so interesting that that
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  Speaker 2: and so that was your guy feeling when you saw
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  Speaker 2: this person, like something is not right here, because this
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  Speaker 2: is so interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And let me tell you, this is.
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  Speaker 2: Like not how I thought I was this interview was
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  Speaker 2: going to start, But now that we're talking about it,
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  Speaker 2: I the first thing that I saw before I even
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  Speaker 2: watched your movie was her husband speaking to someone I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, like ABC news or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that one interviewed right, And I went, he seems not right.
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  Speaker 1: So I was confused.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, I'm I'm supposed to think that
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  Speaker 2: she's crazy, right, But then I felt and I.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that word crazy is so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: I hate using it for anyone, especially a woman exactly,
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  Speaker 2: but I went, so I was immediately confused by the information,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like this, this case is one of
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  Speaker 2: these things where it's so complicated because you can't nobody
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  Speaker 2: really knows the real truth except for the people involved.
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  Speaker 3: To stay there.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and it's so hard to once you know, a
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  Speaker 2: woman is demonized in some way, it's so difficult to
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  Speaker 2: change the story, you know, like nobody wants to hear it,
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  Speaker 2: and not just for women, I think for anybody.
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  Speaker 3: But that's just like the tales all this time, right,
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  Speaker 3: It's like that's you know, I think that's why I
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  Speaker 3: not blindly sided with women. You know, However, if there's
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  Speaker 3: something that feels off, like I I'm like, what are
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  Speaker 3: they not looking at? What are they not seeing? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: you know what's going on here? What's going on? And
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  Speaker 3: I fought for that throughout the entire movie, you know,
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  Speaker 3: truly and March, our director is so brilliant. And obviously
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  Speaker 3: there were legal guidelines of things that I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: I don't say, like add to the script per se
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  Speaker 3: in terms of dialogue, but I understood that I had
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  Speaker 3: to first and foremost, my duty is to tell the
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  Speaker 3: truth as an actor, meaning like whatever that experience is
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  Speaker 3: in the moment, to be as honest as possible, almost
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  Speaker 3: like a warshack in a way to be so specific
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  Speaker 3: that it's like I'm the warshack you know of so
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  Speaker 3: that whatever. So I'm not determining how people feel or
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  Speaker 3: attempting to sway a narrative per se. And obviously my
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  Speaker 3: job is to entertain, But I feel like the best
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  Speaker 3: way to entertain is to be honest and to the
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  Speaker 3: truth in that moment, you know, I'm saying not to
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  Speaker 3: make a mockery of anyone's life, especially when you're working
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  Speaker 3: with you know, and dealing with real human stories. But
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  Speaker 3: to me, they're all real human stories.
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  Speaker 2: So did you believe that she went to James Rayes's
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  Speaker 2: house willingly and then it changed or did you think that,
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  Speaker 2: like did the story that the film tells, which doesn't
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  Speaker 2: shy away from a lot of things, So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: for people that might not be familiar, which is probably
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  Speaker 2: you know, one person, but we'll give.
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  Speaker 1: It for that one person.
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  Speaker 2: She went out on a run and then the story
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  Speaker 2: was is that she was abducted and she was abused
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  Speaker 2: and kept in a small space and how to use
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  Speaker 2: kitty litter and all sorts of horrible things. She was
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  Speaker 2: branded on her back, and she was she told authorities
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  Speaker 2: that she was kidnapped by two Hispanic women.
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  Speaker 3: And then was was the hardest part for me?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, to be that because you couldn't tell me why.
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  Speaker 3: Just like saying those words out loud was really hard
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  Speaker 3: for me, really hard for me, Like probably the hardest.
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  Speaker 2: Because you felt like they weren't true or you felt
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  Speaker 2: like they were racist statements or exist. Yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean that is really one of the heart I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can say one of the
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  Speaker 2: hardest to swallow that there's so many complicated things here, but.
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  Speaker 3: Because it was implicating to other women, right, right, So
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  Speaker 3: that was extremely hard, and especially women that are not white, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so like the whole thing was like a very
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  Speaker 3: intense reconciling with not having access to all of the
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  Speaker 3: actual information, not being able to talk to her in
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  Speaker 3: person or ever see her face, not being able to
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  Speaker 3: get a human to human gage, the way that I
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  Speaker 3: can look at you and I know that you're telling
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  Speaker 3: the truth. I can tell by every micro expression that
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  Speaker 3: you make or you know, it's like yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: so it wasn't legally loud, so then in a way
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  Speaker 3: it you know, it's an extreme and extremely responsible.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's a responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and so I did everything that I could,
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  Speaker 3: with all of my training and all of my truth
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  Speaker 3: as a human being to just tell her truth in
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  Speaker 3: that moment, to tell her truth the way through her eyes,
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  Speaker 3: as she had said she experienced it. And when it
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  Speaker 3: came to those statements, I mean, I barely could throw
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  Speaker 3: them out of my mouth, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Like it was so I it was I did not
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  Speaker 3: turned it in to a bigotry or you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: like like I could barely say them, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean. And that takes a level of mastering itself,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just because it's not in my nature, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So because something is not in
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  Speaker 3: my nature doesn't mean that it's not in someone else's nature.
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  Speaker 3: And it becomes a real conundrum to say the least.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, And she said that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is.
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  Speaker 1: She she said she made these choices.
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  Speaker 2: You know, she said it was these two women because
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  Speaker 2: she was trying to give them authorities FBI everyone, uh,
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  Speaker 2: kind of breadcrumbs to the truth. Right, that James Rayes
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  Speaker 2: is half Hispanic. So she was saying this is all
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  Speaker 2: in retrospect years later, right, she said that, Yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: there's some logic to that, but then you're going, wait
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  Speaker 2: a second, is that.
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  Speaker 1: Just sort of convenient.
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  Speaker 2: Saying you know that that's why she and then she
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  Speaker 2: had hoped that that would lead them to.
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  Speaker 1: Finding him.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's the thing though, even that in itself, it's
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  Speaker 3: pretty striking. Yeah, there's not a lot of safety in
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  Speaker 3: this world for women.
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: The more that I kept watching it, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: we are in meaning watching the movie, your movie, and
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  Speaker 2: then watching interviews and reading up I just it just
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  Speaker 2: feels like none of it makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't, It doesn't, It feels sims. Yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: feel like we're in the matrix, which we already.
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  Speaker 2: We already are, But yeah, like that, and I think
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  Speaker 2: you know this there. There was also something about that
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  Speaker 2: she was poisoning her children and making them sniff alcohol
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  Speaker 2: out of bags, like something that I that her husband
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  Speaker 2: was saying, and this is like and then she said,
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  Speaker 2: I I give my kids organic like I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to give them medications. I'm paraphrasing, but you know she's
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  Speaker 2: essentially saying she would give them like I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it.
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  Speaker 1: Is eucalyptus or something like that to.
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  Speaker 2: Like smell right, Yes, right, and the husband turned that
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  Speaker 2: into you know that something where he asked the children
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  Speaker 2: and the children said something like, oh, if you want
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  Speaker 2: to pretend to be sick like The language they used
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  Speaker 2: was very childlike and a little bit confused, but essentially saying,
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  Speaker 2: you you can just like sniff into the bag and
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  Speaker 2: just like mom does when we don't feel good. And
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  Speaker 2: it was like, what And I immediately thought about how
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  Speaker 2: my daughter when she was little, she would be in
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  Speaker 2: the bathroom with me in the morning, yes, and there's
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  Speaker 2: my mouth wash would be it was under the sink,
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  Speaker 2: and I would like drink the mouth you know, like
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  Speaker 2: swish around the mouth wash. And she said something to
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  Speaker 2: someone like, oh, yeah, well my mom she takes a
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  Speaker 2: bottle from under the.
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 5: that's not what's going on, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So that's immediately what I thought, like, wait a second,
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  Speaker 2: now that she's saying that, it could be either thing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's really diabolical and scary.
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  Speaker 3: It is. It's frightening to say the least.
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  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: So did you think about.
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  Speaker 3: There?
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  Speaker 2: In in your movie, they suggest that she had a
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  Speaker 2: complicated relationship with her mother, and did learning about her
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  Speaker 2: family background change the way you looked.
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  Speaker 1: At her at all.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I take everything into like the limit again,
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  Speaker 3: limited because the information that I had was very limited,
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  Speaker 3: and it was according to what you know, they determined,
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  Speaker 3: what was determined that I could quote unquote like you
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  Speaker 3: use right, But yeah, that relationship between herself and her
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  Speaker 3: mother was very complex and yeah, yeah, and and and
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  Speaker 3: in a way, now that I look at it, that's
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  Speaker 3: almost in itself a red herring.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, because her mom in they.
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  Speaker 2: They say in the movie that there was some abuse
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  Speaker 2: right yes by, and that they allude to that, and
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  Speaker 2: that that was also perhaps why she would lean into
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  Speaker 2: this relationship with this stable guy who has a good
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  Speaker 2: job and has his family, you know, like that kind
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  Speaker 2: of safety.
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  Speaker 3: And when I and when I was doing the film,
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  Speaker 3: like that information felt really like that in itself was
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  Speaker 3: like very I'm still tripping over the whole, like what
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  Speaker 3: he said about the kids and this being sick and
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  Speaker 3: like sometimes I just get so up, like I'm just
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  Speaker 3: like what you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: like it has a really obviously profoundly emotional impact on me.
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  Speaker 1: This I know I can see that. I Mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: very clear in your performance that it's not that you
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  Speaker 1: were very deeply connected to what you were doing that
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  Speaker 1: and without uh commentary, and that.
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  Speaker 3: Is and that's again like one of the hardest or
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  Speaker 3: I would say that the the most challenging things about
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  Speaker 3: my craft and at the same time the reason why
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  Speaker 3: I love this craft so much because the pure you
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  Speaker 3: are in your intention. You know, my job again is
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  Speaker 3: not to sway anybody about my opinions or beliefs, but
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  Speaker 3: again to just be as honest and the mon as possible.
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  Speaker 3: And that doesn't that you know, that's not I was
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  Speaker 3: so like.
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  Speaker 1: It takes that's not easy to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, with lifetime movies, you don't always have a huge
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  Speaker 2: amount of time, and you know, there's like the schedule
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  Speaker 2: can be kind of grueling, and so being able to
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  Speaker 2: really get that depth and that care is not an
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  Speaker 2: easy task, you know, It's it's a tall order.
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  Speaker 3: With this one. Obviously, as I told you previously, i'd
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  Speaker 3: seen this story but only in that one, you know article.
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  Speaker 3: And then because it was a female director that I
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  Speaker 3: respected and really really wanted to work with female producers,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, this is gonna be dope, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean? I get to work with that and
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  Speaker 3: do something amazing, you know. And and then it was
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  Speaker 3: wild because when I was in Can at the can
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  Speaker 3: Film Festival, everyone kept clung being like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: on Netflix, it's like in the top five. I was like, what,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know if they were talking about Black Summer
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  Speaker 3: Heart at Dixie, Like I didn't know which one. I'm
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  Speaker 3: right and like Cherry Peppinis. So the Netflix acquired it, right,
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  Speaker 3: and it stayed in the top five for many, many weeks.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that, so, why do you think many weeks?
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think people are so why do you
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  Speaker 2: think it has stayed with people.
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  Speaker 1: In the public.
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  Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of different reasons why I think,
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  Speaker 3: I mean some of them not maybe as PC's I
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  Speaker 3: think that, yeah, I mean there's a lot of different
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  Speaker 3: reasons why she's beautiful. She seemed to have it all.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like people, and I don't see this as
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  Speaker 3: a generalization that for whatever reason, mothers are subject to
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  Speaker 3: being under invested, negition and ways that are extraordinarily cruel.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the dizzy nature of this particular story, right,
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  Speaker 3: with so many specific details, specific details, whilst the investigation
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  Speaker 3: running through this machine, right, it's like and also I
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  Speaker 3: think about the children. That's what I think about, Right,
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  Speaker 3: That's all I think about. Those were kids, right, I like,
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  Speaker 3: that's all that's all I thought about since the minute
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  Speaker 3: that I read it. That's all I've thought about since
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  Speaker 3: the minute that I did it. Like, like, that's all
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  Speaker 3: I've thought about is these children, Yeah, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: what it is that that they're experiencing.
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  Speaker 1: Being in the middle quite to really have it.
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  Speaker 3: It's so irresponsible and it's so wrong, and it's disgusting. Frankly, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it really is. It really is. It really is. And
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  Speaker 3: they were miners, like not they shouldn't. Like they're they're
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  Speaker 3: they're the childhood's their youth is being i mean not
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  Speaker 3: only shaken by whatever did or did not take place,
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  Speaker 3: but then through the media's eyes. So can you imagine
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  Speaker 3: if you're a child or so may I mean, just
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  Speaker 3: the implications in itself. To me, it's like, if I
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  Speaker 3: could do all the kinds of justice, which I believe
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  Speaker 3: that I did with the way that I handled this story,
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  Speaker 3: if I like, really all I care about is those kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's certainly now is a part of
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  Speaker 2: the fabric of their lives, Like this is the basis.
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  Speaker 3: Decided to make it exposed the minute that homeboy, did
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  Speaker 3: you know, the minute that the officers did. Like if
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  Speaker 3: people do not really understand the impact of that, it's
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  Speaker 3: like insane to me, because they're private citizens, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Right, well so much also, you know, there there seems
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: to be a real need to appear perfect and to
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: have this very curated life, and they were so committed
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to it. Sounds like both of them. But certainly, Sherry,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, how much of that do you think is
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: a part of because it seems like a pretty big.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Factor of perfectionism. I mean, I think that's just inherent
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: with being born a woman.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: And and that's the end of the interview because I
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: clearly agree by a good night, and because also what we.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Have to pull on that thread to be like, oh
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: that she appeared to look like a perfect woman, therefore
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: then she must be super corrupt or something. I I'm
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: not judge and jury here, I'm not. And I think
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: that whatever was going on, we don't know, right, we
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: don't know, uh, but surely, like I would my preference
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: be that every single side be looked at more thoroughly.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: For sure, you know, do I think that this is
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: an opportunity unity to beg a bigger question about how
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: we handle cases like this.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes to me, that's a very big motivator in
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: this doing this podcast at all, It's been incredibly fascinating
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and fulfilling for me. But I am mainly interested in
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: the emotional impacts of these things and how we move forward.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Amazing like that, and your centeredness about it is not
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: coming from a place of like like exploits expectation. Yeah,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: that's not. I think that you are sincerely a not
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: only a curious soul. I mean that you're curious about things,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: but that you you really want to understand in a
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: different way and you eat things in a different way.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: And so our podcast is extremely important in that because
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: it's it requires that, it requires people like you to
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: stand up and discuss, you know, all of this stuff,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: you know, because there's a reason like why is it?
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Why is it that these stories move us? What is
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: it about these stories? Right? What are the themes? What
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: are the situation, circumstances, environments, what are all of the factors?
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: And then why does each one hit into each person
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: in different ways? Like where does that come from? Because
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: it's speaking about the greater threat of humanity, right, you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: and especially in the United States of America.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: And so I'm really proud of you.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate you saying that, because that is truly
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: my heart and soul that's coming through this like that
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to do. And I think we
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: you know, there there is so much exploitation in this
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: world about a multitude of things, and I think there
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: is a very fine but very clear line of when
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: that is happening and when that is not happening, you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and very much.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: So, which is very very evident in your work.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, And that's why I.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Feel taking it to come on and to speak with you,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: and I think it's extremely important what you're doing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Really, Thank you so much. I can't tell you how
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: much that means to me. Thank you. If you could
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: talk to Sherry or say something to her, Oh you have,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, How did I not ask you that?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I just assumed that you hadn't, But you have.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, we would assume I hadn't because I hadn't.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So post did you talk to her post shooting the movie? Wow?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Are you comfortable sharing any of that? Nope? That's okay.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Wow, well I am I can tell I'm very glad
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: that you had the opportunity to do that. Me too,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: because you know, no matter what, we all, as you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: armchair experts here, will like to believe about anything when
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you look at all of these kinds of cases, but
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: this in particular, I don't know what really happened, but
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: it's clear that something that these people are not okay, right,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: that she's not okay. So there's something there that is
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: very important and very precious.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that anyone in this particular situation
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: is okay. I think it's obviously it's not a thought.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Clearly it's very traumatic for every single person.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would like for us culturally to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: have a little more care and attention to nuance and
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: understanding that nothing is black and white. It's like nothing crazy,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Like these words are so just incomplete.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: These stories have to do with life and death, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: that's the bottom line. Each one of these things has
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to literally continue to destroy lives, men, lives.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are so many different facets because the
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: minute that you pull the one thread, God knows what
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: happens to the rest right, and so it's like it's
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: a huge responsibility. I don't take what I do lightly
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: at all. All Yeah, at all, yep, this particular and
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: it's not even particular, like it's extremely challenging, it's been.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: This one is so sensitive, you know what I mean,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: it's it's super sensitive.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: And just like any anything that we're trying to figure
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: out any I guess we could say story, yeah, you know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: but it's like, are we thinking of the greater implications
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: about what's for the highest good of all involved here?
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Every person involved?
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: What is for the highest good of all involved here?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Yes? Well?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I feel very much like this movie, and in large
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: part because you are in nearly every frame of this movie,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: like you, It is very much your movie, your your
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: commitment to that kind of authenticity and the purity of
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: telling the experiences as it's happening, without you know, commentary
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and without.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Putting a heavy lean on it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Because I think when I went into the watching the movie,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how it was going to be told
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: or sort of what aspect and I the end of
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the movie, I felt like I almost felt like I
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: can't believe they made this movie, you know, because I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: have this like heavy handed.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Thing telling you how to feel about.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: It exactly, which is honestly, like, to the credit of
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: all the women that worked on this project. Yeah, you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and and the men and like all of our crew
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: are cast. Our filmmaker, I mean, she's extraordinary. It's just amazing.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Extra is such a great filmmaker. She's so good. She's
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: so good. Yeah, because it can easily be like that
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: thing where it's like, yes, oh, I'm going to play
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the villain, but not the villain. The villain but not
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: the villain. You know, yes to something, but it's real life.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Well right, these are real people that had.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Very real experiences that are incredibly complicated and.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: It is not mine. It is not mine. Mine is
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: only to purely do as we've already discussed, and as
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: a mother to protect her children, and you know too,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: to give it to the audience per se mm hmm,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: without telling people what to think or feel, you know.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is why I think, you know,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: making films and television shows about.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: These real things is important.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Because I I interviewed Skeat Ullrich about his Elizabeth Smart movie,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: and Elizabeth it was it was incredible he was saying,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you know that she came to the set and she
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: was very open with him, and she and Amanda Knox
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: said it this a very similar thing that sometimes like
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: it's we are able to digest information through storytelling easier
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: than we are by just like reading it. And I
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: think that or like an investigative journalist doing it, which
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: is also important.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: But that's why your forum is so important. Yeah, yeah,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: we have a question, so like when you first started this,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: like I didn't talked about it before, but like what
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: moves you like and and how and like how do
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: you sleep.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Life? Sincerely?
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: So that's a real question.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: So the long and short of it is when I
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: heart came to me with this.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: First of all, they asked, do you watch True crime?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Do you have any interest in that? And I said,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: do you mean?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Do I stay up far later than I should and
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: loose sleep watch? And so you know, the connection for
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: me doing the narrative film and TV shows is because
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I'm an actress, and so that's the tie in there.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: But I had this moment with myself before saying yes,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: where I said, wait a second, can I do this
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: in a way that is really about the human side
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: of this and is there a way to do this
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: without being exploited, because I feel there is, like that's
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: my whole intention. So I really thought about it before
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: saying yes. And you know, I understand that there is
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: a morbid fascination with these things and not you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: like I understand all of that, but again there is
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: not there is something deeply important behind all of these
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: things because it is a part of the human experience.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: These are all human beings that are doing these things. Yes,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And there's so much.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Trauma and pain and things that you know, I have
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: been so moved by like Elizabeth Smart for example, that
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: movie they just said, so, it came out in twenty seventeen.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: It's called I'm Elizabeth Smart.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, the fact that someone can go through something like
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: that andience and that resiliency and to decide I'm going
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to answer the call of my life because this is
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: what it is, and then decide to help other people,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Like I'm getting I get chills thinking about it, Like
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: that commitment to life is it's just unbelievable, Like it's
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: it's it's really important. Yes, it's like triumphant beyond it is. Yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: it's like I just so this I just.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how, that's how we got here. So it
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: really means so much that that you can feel.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: That because that's you know.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Like sincerely, I sincerely. It gives me the chelse. I'm like, like,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: it's responsible media what you're doing and sharing. Thank you
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: as an actor, as a human being, as a mother.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like you can't.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Those are you know, I know your less Left credits
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: goes on and on, and it's just it's so important.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: M thank you.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, well, Jamie, I don't even know what
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: to say. This has been so wonderful. I really wanted to.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I was so looking forward to talking with you, but
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how it would be or how you
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: would feel about to And I'm just like.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I feel really good. Oh my gosh, yeah, same same,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Wait where we're Oh my gosh.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I just adore you and your work's beautiful in
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: this as it is in everything that you do, and
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I just I so wish you the best of of
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: all of it, with everything, and I hope we get
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: to meet in person me too sometime soon. Hoax, the
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: kidnapping of Sherry Peppini, is streaming on Netflix. And Jamie
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: King You're.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: You're a queen.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate you.