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EPSTEIN BOMBSHELL: 'MISSING MINUTE' OF PRISON VIDEO REVEALS MOVEMENT AROUND CELL BEFORE DEATH · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Epstein Bombshell. The so called
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  Speaker 1: missing minute, a prison video, miraculously is found and it
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  Speaker 1: reveals movement around Epstein's cell just before his death.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Lies, Lies, Lies. What
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  Speaker 2: are they hiding?
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  Speaker 1: Did you know of the existence of any such list?
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  Speaker 2: There is no nest.
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  Speaker 3: To be sure, there is no list.
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  Speaker 1: There's no client list.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, bombshell, The so called missing minute of epstein
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  Speaker 1: jailhouse video has been found. Let's see the video. The
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  Speaker 1: video that we have been told was just a glitch.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's not true. That has been disproven.
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  Speaker 1: We were told over and over by the US Attorney
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  Speaker 1: General Bondie that the missing minute was not missing at all.
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  Speaker 2: It was all just a.
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  Speaker 1: Quote jump, a jump for the daily reset that happened
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  Speaker 1: every twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 2: That was a lie.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel to makes sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we know tonight, this as Epstein victims storm DC,
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  Speaker 1: demanding justice, claiming that they and their so called clients,
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  Speaker 1: the abusers, are in those documents. Well, then there is
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  Speaker 1: a client list straight out to Barry Levine, joining us
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  Speaker 1: author of a now bestseller, The Spider Inside the Tangled
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  Speaker 1: Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Elaine Maxwell, veteran investigative and
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  Speaker 1: print reporter, at Capitol Hill yesterday when the victims stormed
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  Speaker 1: DC First Bury.
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  Speaker 2: Before I get to the victims, well, this.
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  Speaker 1: Proves that we have been lied to, as if we
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  Speaker 1: didn't already know that there is a missing minute, and
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  Speaker 1: it shows a cluster of activity around Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell.
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  Speaker 1: Other video that has also been released shows him pursue
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  Speaker 1: it to what witnesses have said that have been discounted,
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  Speaker 1: being taken to the bathroom to make a cell phone
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  Speaker 1: call from the bathroom.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is so.
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  Speaker 1: Incendiary, but I want to get to the missing minute. Barry,
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  Speaker 1: what do you make of it other than body flat
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  Speaker 1: out live right to our faith.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, I have to tell you that I have
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  Speaker 5: completely lost all trust in terms of the government, in
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  Speaker 5: terms of this investigation. I don't know how we go
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  Speaker 5: from where we are to where we need to be.
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  Speaker 5: All I can think of is that at this point
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  Speaker 5: we need to have some type of special prosecutor, an
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  Speaker 5: independent prosecutor brought in that can bring together all of
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  Speaker 5: this bringing in independent forensic video experts. Let's take this
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  Speaker 5: video apart, second by second, let's enhance it. Let's do
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  Speaker 5: what we have to do to see exactly what we
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  Speaker 5: have to work with here. And I have to tell you,
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  Speaker 5: Nanthy that the statements that the conflicting statements that have
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  Speaker 5: come out of the Department of Justice related to this
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  Speaker 5: specific video have tied themselves up in knots. This is
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  Speaker 5: a situation that needs complete unraveling, and it's a it's
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  Speaker 5: turned into an absolute circus. I can't believe.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're going to talk about what you think this
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  Speaker 1: video reveals, Barry, what do you believe other than Pam
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  Speaker 1: Bondi is totally lying. I mean that's been clear from
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  Speaker 1: the beginning. I don't like attacking our government, the administration
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  Speaker 1: that the people elected.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like that. But she lied.
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  Speaker 1: She told us first the client list was on her desk.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to play that. I've got her on video
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  Speaker 1: saying that.
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  Speaker 2: Then she says there is no client list.
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  Speaker 1: Then all of the lies about there is no missing
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  Speaker 1: minute a video. This man was killed, Okay, he did
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  Speaker 1: not commit suicide. Now we find out missing time on
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  Speaker 1: that video.
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  Speaker 2: Not only was concealed, but.
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  Speaker 1: They lied about it, and of course Barry hold on
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  Speaker 1: just a moment to Greg Morris joining me, veteran criminal
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney, author of the Untested on Amazon. Greg, before
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  Speaker 1: you attack what I'm saying, haven't you found it to
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  Speaker 1: be true, whether when you were a prosecutor or now.
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  Speaker 1: When someone is lying about something that usually indicates a
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  Speaker 1: nefarious purpose, why lie about it if they weren't worried
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  Speaker 1: about it, Why lie to my face and say it
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  Speaker 1: didn't exist, It didn't happen. It was just a jump,
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  Speaker 1: a glitch in the system. That's total bs. And they've
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  Speaker 1: had this all along, Greg, all along.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I'm not asking you.
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  Speaker 1: To take a political side, because I don't care about politics.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is they had.
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  Speaker 1: The video, they lied about the video, and it shows
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  Speaker 1: a cluster of movement around Epstein's cell at the time.
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  Speaker 2: He was killed.
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  Speaker 6: Sosolutely right. There's something is covered up here. Now it
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  Speaker 6: may turn out that it's an innocuous thing that created
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  Speaker 6: this glitch, but it's also interesting to note that the
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  Speaker 6: part that was missing is where there's movement the whole night.
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  Speaker 6: There's no movement of the guards really, and then all
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  Speaker 6: of a sudden the one minute, So yes, you're one
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  Speaker 6: hundred percent right, there is something and I'm an expert
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  Speaker 6: in digital evidence. I speak on it around the country.
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  Speaker 6: This is an easy thing to see. And it's also
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  Speaker 6: the government's excuse that it was a general time glitch
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  Speaker 6: because they re record doesn't make any sense given when the.
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  Speaker 2: Time was missing.
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  Speaker 6: So of course something's excluded, it's been uncovered. That tells
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  Speaker 6: you that something is being hidden here, whether it's to
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  Speaker 6: a crime or not, something is being hidden here.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: You know the cover up points to a nefarious intent
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  Speaker 1: because as you just pointed out, which I find very
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  Speaker 1: very probative, Morse, it's not just somebody going by with
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  Speaker 1: the trash can. It's not nothing where everything is calm
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  Speaker 1: and quiet.
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  Speaker 2: There's no movement.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually movement around his cell. That's bad Morse, It's
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  Speaker 1: very bad.
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  Speaker 6: And they also the way it was described is it
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  Speaker 6: looks like the person is going out of what they
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  Speaker 6: call the shoe, the special housing unit. Yet you don't
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  Speaker 6: know that they could have easily gone to a cell.
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  Speaker 6: So that explanation tells me even more support that this
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  Speaker 6: was done intentionally because they're trying in real time to
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  Speaker 6: fix the problems with the full video.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a cover up. There's no reason to
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  Speaker 2: do this exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And again I don't care red blue Democrat Republican. What
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  Speaker 1: I care about is that we are being lied to
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  Speaker 1: and what I believe to be.
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  Speaker 2: A murder investigation.
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  Speaker 1: And as the victims point out NBC in the last hours,
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  Speaker 1: why is Jeffrey Epstein being protected?
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  Speaker 2: Why is this shrouded.
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  Speaker 1: As secrecy when the victims are not being protected? I
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  Speaker 1: want to go straight out to doctor Kendall Crowns, joining
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  Speaker 1: as chief medical Examiner Terrance.
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  Speaker 2: County, host of a new hit podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Mayhem in the more esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School
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  Speaker 1: of Medicine at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crowns, the one thing,
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  Speaker 1: well among so many, that has disturbed me from the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: is the ligature mark on Epstein's neck. Okay, I'm taking
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  Speaker 1: everybody to DC in just a moment. We're gonna hear
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  Speaker 1: everything that the victims had to say. But regarding Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: why this missing moment is so important? The ligature mark,
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  Speaker 1: as you and I have discussed, doctor Kendall Crowns, it's
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  Speaker 1: not in the traditional U shape or smiley face when
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  Speaker 1: someone commits suicide by hanging or even moving.
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  Speaker 2: Forward while seated.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we see a directly horizontal line, which indicates in
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  Speaker 1: every case I've ever investigated, ligature strangling straight across, likely
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  Speaker 1: from behind, and that is opposed to a hanging mark
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  Speaker 1: that you get when the victim hangs themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Thoughts, Well, I mean that's exactly correct. When you have
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  Speaker 3: a horizontal line, it's more like someone took a ligature
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  Speaker 3: and grabbed it behind their neck and pulled, Whereas when
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  Speaker 3: you're hanged, the ligature has kind of an upward, canting
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  Speaker 3: V shaped structure to it because there's a suspension point
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  Speaker 3: above your head and the ligature is pulling up, so
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  Speaker 3: you will see that change in shape. And when we
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  Speaker 3: see the flat or horizontal line that you're describing, that
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  Speaker 3: is more indicative of someone being strangled with ligature from
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  Speaker 3: behind and less indicative of a hanging. And it is
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  Speaker 3: very questionable because how would that have happened.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall.
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  Speaker 1: Crown's another question, how long at the middle minimum does
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  Speaker 1: it take for someone to die by asphyxiation?
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  Speaker 3: About three to five minutes or so. Somewhere in there,
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  Speaker 3: you can go ten to thirty seconds with out air
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  Speaker 3: and you'll go unconscious. Then your body will be sitting
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  Speaker 3: there in the throes of lack of oxygen for the
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  Speaker 3: next three to five minutes, and you'll be brain dead.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard of anyone other than expert divers that
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  Speaker 1: could go without oxygen for five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: You're set.
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  Speaker 3: That would be that would Hey, that's important.
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  Speaker 2: What we're looking at right now.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, doctor Crowds, everybody on the panel, look at
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  Speaker 1: your screen right now, because I'm going to circle back
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  Speaker 1: to how unorthodox what you're seeing right now is.
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  Speaker 2: I've been in I don't even know how many Seais
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  Speaker 2: correctional institutes.
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  Speaker 1: This is not allowed, nobody, no prisoner is allowed to
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  Speaker 1: have this much material in their cell because it is
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  Speaker 1: a threat.
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  Speaker 2: It is a.
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  Speaker 1: Suicide or homicide threat to the cell mate, the cell individual,
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  Speaker 1: or people even walking by can be strangled with this.
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  Speaker 1: This is totally totally disallowed. Look at this. That's absolutely
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  Speaker 1: not kosher. That is not allowed in any facility. But
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  Speaker 1: it was for Jeffrey Epstein or was it Okay? Back
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  Speaker 1: to you, doctor kil Crimes. I'm gonna address what we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing in the cell in just a moment. But doctor
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  Speaker 1: Crown's you're telling me a human can go five full minutes,
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  Speaker 1: not a deep sea diver or skin diver, but a
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  Speaker 1: regular person Epstein's age, completely out of shape, can go
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  Speaker 1: five minutes without breathing.
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  Speaker 3: So no, I was giving you a range of individuals,
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  Speaker 3: but someone of Epstein's age probably have smoked I would
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  Speaker 3: say three minutes an under before he's did.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: That is traditional thinking regarding how long a human can
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  Speaker 1: live without oxygen.
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  Speaker 2: Three minutes. Back to Barry Levine.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us, I want to follow up on what doctor
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  Speaker 1: Crown's just said. Levin, we're missing that we know of
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  Speaker 1: one minute, all this cluster activity around Epstein's cell around
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  Speaker 1: the time he died. There was time for him to
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  Speaker 1: be strangled, for him to be asphyxiated.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, Nancy.
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  Speaker 5: There, as I said, we need to do a new
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  Speaker 5: investigation into his death. We need, as I called in
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  Speaker 5: the New York Times opinion section recently, we need to
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  Speaker 5: see not only the Epstein files, the investigative files, all
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  Speaker 5: the stuff that was on the computers and the CDs.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what you are preaching to the choir
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  Speaker 1: right now. If anybody else says we need to see
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  Speaker 1: the files. I'm holding them in content. Of course, we
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  Speaker 1: need to see the files. What I'm saying is this
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  Speaker 1: time period when people were clustered around his seal. Why
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  Speaker 1: was this held away from us? Why is it just
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  Speaker 1: now coming out? What, if anything, does it reveal? Sidney
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  Speaker 1: sun rejoining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter, Hey, Sidney, listen
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  Speaker 1: to this.
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  Speaker 7: The House Oversight Committee has released over thirty three thousand
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  Speaker 7: pages of Epstein related records and dozens of video and
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  Speaker 7: audio recordings associated with the investigation, though committee members have
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  Speaker 7: warned that, in addition to heavy redaction, over ninety seven
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  Speaker 7: percent of the release is already public. Those diving into
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  Speaker 7: the files have discovered interesting bits in the three percent
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  Speaker 7: that is new. Most interesting, the missing minute of the
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  Speaker 7: MCC surveillance footage has been found.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, sid Barry Levine. Did they think we wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: notice if they dump thousands, thirty three thousand pages of
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  Speaker 1: documents on us, though we won't notice the missing minute
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  Speaker 1: buried in there?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, at least ninety seven.
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  Speaker 1: Percent of that release was already out there, So why
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  Speaker 1: bother did they think we wouldn't see the missing minute
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  Speaker 1: in there?
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  Speaker 5: Listen, Nancy, this is all part of a cover up.
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  Speaker 5: We need complete transparency. We need to know did they
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  Speaker 5: do DNA testing on the bed sheets. We know that
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  Speaker 5: there were at least five nooses that he or somebody
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  Speaker 5: made in that jail cell, and one of them, of course,
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  Speaker 5: he was found hanging, which was how the prison officers
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  Speaker 5: found him when they entered the cell in the morning
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  Speaker 5: to give him breakfast. But there were at least four
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  Speaker 5: other nooses that had been made. We need to know
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  Speaker 5: if there was DNA testing done on these nooses. Why
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  Speaker 5: did he have so many orange bed sheets in his cell?
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  Speaker 5: Why was the breathing apparatus that he had for sleep APNA,
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  Speaker 5: which he could have also used, where somebody could have
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  Speaker 5: used to strangle him in terms of that long why
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  Speaker 5: was that there unattended. We have a great deal of questions.
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  Speaker 5: We haven't seen the autopsy report, we haven't seen the
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  Speaker 5: investigative file that the authorities created after his death to
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  Speaker 5: answer some of these questions. So what I'm saying is
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  Speaker 5: the missing minute is the it is now the alarm
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  Speaker 5: going off. This is this is a serious, serious situation
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  Speaker 5: that the government needs to address and needs to tell
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  Speaker 5: us why that was held back, what it shows, and
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  Speaker 5: as your guest was saying, we need.
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  Speaker 2: What we've had to go through just to get the minute.
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  Speaker 1: Barry, Hey, Sidney Sumner, I want to follow up on
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  Speaker 1: what Barry is saying, and I want to see the video. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the video we're talking about, Sidney Sumner.
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  Speaker 2: What does the video depict.
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  Speaker 4: Well, according to the government, the video depicts the material handler,
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  Speaker 4: this unnamed employee who is also on shift at the
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  Speaker 4: time of Toba Noel, leaving to go home. So they
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  Speaker 4: are claiming that this is an employee who just finished
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  Speaker 4: his shift and is heading home for the night, and
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  Speaker 4: he walks off screen toward the main entest of the
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  Speaker 4: shoe and does not approach Epstein's cell. That's what they
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  Speaker 4: tell us is happening. But of course the angle of
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  Speaker 4: this video is just absolutely horrible. It really doesn't show
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  Speaker 4: us much of anything. So it's really unclear if he
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  Speaker 4: did head out the main entrance of the shoe or
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  Speaker 4: could that person have gone up to where Epstein was
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  Speaker 4: being housed.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know, well, Sadie Sumner.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously there is more than one person in that area
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  Speaker 1: around Epstein's cell. It's not just one person leaving for
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  Speaker 1: the night. There are more people there, and what we
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  Speaker 1: are being told is there is a cluster of movement
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  Speaker 1: outside Epstein's cell.
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  Speaker 4: Well, so what we can see in the video, these
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  Speaker 4: are the bottom of the stairs leading up to Epstein's
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  Speaker 4: cell block, so we can just barely see a sliver
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  Speaker 4: of that staircase. And earlier in the previous release of
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  Speaker 4: this surveillance video, we all saw that orange blob and
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  Speaker 4: again they told us that that person was actually heading
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  Speaker 4: up towards that cell block carrying it was an employee
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  Speaker 4: apparently carrying inmate linens or an inmate uniform. And of
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  Speaker 4: course we're all screaming, bs, that's somebody in an inmate
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  Speaker 4: uniform walking up that staircase. So it's a very unclear angle.
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  Speaker 4: But you're right, it doesn't look like just one person.
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  Speaker 4: So this new explanation for what's happening in the missing minute.
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  Speaker 4: And they haven't provided us an explanation as to why
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  Speaker 4: Bondie lied about this, of course, but that's what they're
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  Speaker 4: claiming is happening, just one employee heading home for the night.
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  Speaker 1: All along we have had nothing but lies, lies. So
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  Speaker 1: the question is why listen.
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  Speaker 8: What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow is a lot
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  Speaker 8: of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information.
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  Speaker 8: But it's pretty sick what that man did. A source
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  Speaker 8: had told me where the documents were being kept, Southern
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  Speaker 8: District of New York. Shock. So we got them all by,
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  Speaker 8: hopefully all of them Friday at eight am, thousands of
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  Speaker 8: pages of documents. I have the FBI going through them.
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  Speaker 8: Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report
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  Speaker 8: as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents.
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  Speaker 2: From our friends at Fox Gilainne Maxwell. Are we going
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  Speaker 2: to believe her?
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  Speaker 1: She denies as a client list, she denies there was trafficking.
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  Speaker 2: She's denying every single thing.
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  Speaker 9: There is no list, there is no I'm not aware
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  Speaker 9: of any blackmail.
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  Speaker 2: I never heard. I never heard that, I never saw it,
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  Speaker 2: and I I never imagined it.
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  Speaker 1: Many, not all, of the Epstein victims storming DC this
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  Speaker 1: weekend demanding justice.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to just one of them.
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  Speaker 10: I was only fourteen years old when I met Jeffrey.
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  Speaker 10: It was the summer of high school. I was working
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  Speaker 10: three jobs to try to support my mom and my
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  Speaker 10: sister when a friend of mine in the neighborhood told
• 19:24
  Speaker 10: me that I could make three hundred dollars to give
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  Speaker 10: an older guy a massage. It went from a dream
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  Speaker 10: job to the worst nightmare. Jeffrey assistant Leslie Groff would
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  Speaker 10: call me and tell me that I needed to be
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  Speaker 10: at the house so often that I ended up dropping
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  Speaker 10: out of high school before ninth grade and I never
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  Speaker 10: went back. From fourteen to seventeen years old, I went
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  Speaker 10: and worked for Jeffrey instead of receiving an education. Every
• 19:54
  Speaker 10: day I hoped that he would offer me a real
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  Speaker 10: job as one of his assistant or something something important.
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  Speaker 10: I would finally have made it big as like we
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: say the American dream. That day never came. I had
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  Speaker 10: no way, I had no way out. I was until
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  Speaker 10: you finally told me that I.
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  Speaker 2: Was too old. She was too old. He started having
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  Speaker 2: sex with her.
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  Speaker 1: That's tat story rape when she's fourteen years old than
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: she what aged out that from at Rep. Thomas Massey
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: on X Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Doctor Bethany Marshall
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: before I go to Barry Levine, who was there in
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the midst of the victim speaking out. Doctor Bethany renowned
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: psychoanalyst out of LA You can see her on Peacock.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: She is author of Deal breaker.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And you can find her doctor Bethany Marshall dot com,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. So when she said I wanted a
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: real job, I would finally have made it big, the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: American dream. So this little girl, fourteen, hoping to one
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: day make it big with a billionaire, endured statutory rape
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: for three years before she aged out, and then he
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: tipped her like you'd leave a twenty at the waffle house.
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: Seriously, this is the type of predating pattern that Gilan
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein engaged in. They went out and
• 21:39
  Speaker 11: they found underaged girls who were from families who had
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: lower socioeconomic status because they could lure those girls in
• 21:49
  Speaker 11: more easily. And it's very typical with pedophiles that when
• 21:53
  Speaker 11: the child ages out, they go to increasingly younger victims
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: aging out.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Aging out to Lynn Shaw joining US, founder and director
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending sex trafficking of.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Girls and women. I'm going to go back to Bethany
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: in a moment, Lynn.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: But aging out, I want you to explain what this
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: woman is saying.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Marina Lecido, what she was saying, she's now an.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Adult, she was a child victim of statutory rape, repeat
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: rape by Epstein. He pled guilty and got a swat
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: on the hand down in Florida.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Thanks Acosta.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: All of this has been corroborated, and her name and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: other clients associated with her have got to be in
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: those files. But I want you to explain why. From
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: what you know battling sex trafficking, she's telling the truth.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: She is absolutely telling the truth.
• 22:54
  Speaker 12: I have waited for this day, Nancy, because what we've
• 22:58
  Speaker 12: been witnessing over all these years is nothing short of
• 23:00
  Speaker 12: an sh fill in the blank, fill in the blank
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: show okay. Aging out a common phrase used in sex trafficking.
• 23:07
  Speaker 12: We have always heard about miners involved with Maxwell, with
• 23:12
  Speaker 12: Jeffrey Epstein. It's hard for me to even say their names.
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: Yet there was a little coverage about the miners at all.
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: So now we finally have this coming forward. This is
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: a common tactic, getting in with those young vulnerable girls eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: stringing them along, and then when they hit sixteen, seventeen,
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: definitely eighteen, aged out. You are too old. You are
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: thrown aside like an old shoe in the street. I
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: am tired of this. I am tired of this lie.
• 23:39
  Speaker 12: After lie after lie with this case, Let's bring it
• 23:42
  Speaker 12: forward and I'll tell you this crime is too big,
• 23:45
  Speaker 12: too ugly. It is not going to disappear because we
• 23:48
  Speaker 12: have strong survivors, We have advocates like Lynd's Warriors that
• 23:52
  Speaker 12: are standing up to all of this and this will
• 23:55
  Speaker 12: not go away. So as far as ag Bondi Cash
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: Fatteo with the FBI, they have all into canaworms and
• 24:01
  Speaker 12: it's only going to get worse from here. But I
• 24:03
  Speaker 12: want to leave with this thought for everybody. Please, we
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: must think and commend these strong now women coming forward
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: sharing bravely, because this is the hardest thing working with
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: victims and survivors. They tell me to actually in public
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: tell their stories. So let's all thank them. But let's
• 24:20
  Speaker 12: hear more about the miners and let's get the files.
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: I'm so tired of this file talk. What is going
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: on here? Everything's redacted anyway, let us put the emphasis
• 24:29
  Speaker 12: on the survivors, the victims of these two criminals, and
• 24:32
  Speaker 12: let's get going. Let's end this once and for all.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, the theory of aging out. What I'm
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: doing right now, Doctor Bethany, is I'm looking for corroboration,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: corroboration of what these now adult victims are saying. Number one,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: what she, Marina Lecardo and the others described is text
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: book trafficking of young girls, textbook every word.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: She said, I'm like, yeah, up.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Check check check check of the sex trafficking and statutory
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: rape cases I investigated and prosecuted.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Could you explain the veracity what she's saying?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Why is true that she says she waited and waited
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and waited for her big break and kept screwing Epstein. Oh,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: an old man naked on a massage table, and Elaine
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Maxwell brings her in there like the Thanksgiving turkey. Then
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: she says, as she's waiting for her big break putting
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: up with Epstein's sex advances, rape.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: He tells her.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: She ages out, I mean that's real, Bethany, What is that?
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: Well, what it is is it confirms that Epstein is
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: a pedophile. Because pedophiles are only attracted to children, right,
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: So what happens is when the child gets older, the
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: pedophile is no longer attracted, So the pedophile has to
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: kick that person out and go to a newer, younger victim.
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: And in terms of this being like sex trafficking. It
• 26:06
  Speaker 11: is classic because here's what sex traffickers do. They find
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: a victim whose parents are too busy working or a
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: victim who needs money. They lure that person in with
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: false promises that they are going to take care of them.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Once the victim is.
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: Ensnared in the web, then they begin to predate on
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: the victim, rape the victim, have other people rape the victim,
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: but then they pass the child around so that they
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: can get financial benefit off of the victim. And what
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: we see with all those transfers going in and out
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: of accounts to Russia and all the clients that are
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: being brought in, Jeffreysteine is now having.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Narrow my question.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Bethany, isn't it true that child molester's pedophiles
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: H one has a certain agee in.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Which they are interested.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It could be babies, It could be infants that they
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: want them a list.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: It could be toddlers from one to three.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It could be schoolgirls in their little uniform at age five. Okay,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: it could be boys at that age, or it could
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: be pre pubescent girls from eleven to just say fifteen sixteen.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: That age, and they do not vary unless they have to.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: So when this now adult victim says, he told me,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: after three years of raping me, I aged out, isn't
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: it true? Dr Bethany that that is consistent with pedophilic behavior.
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: That is consistent with pedophilic behavior. And it also tells
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: us what age group he was predating upon, because she
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: was fourteen years old. So now we have a marker.
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: Now we know his type, and you are absolutely correct.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Pedophiles made me, One Bethany, his type, his type, you're
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're wrong, but to say his type,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: these are girls, these are the age of my Lucy,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: his type and I noticed her. What about this, Doctor
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Bethany to corroborate what these women are now saying?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Lavine heard it all. Remember just the other.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Day we reported and you and I analyzed, Ela Ain't
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Maxwell saying yeah, I didn't really have sex with him
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that much because he had a condition.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah he was a pedophile.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: He didn't have sex with adult woman that clearly loved him.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: He didn't want that, oh hgwn. He wanted these little girls.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: He couldn't.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I had to say it. He couldn't get an erection
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: with a grown woman.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: It had to be a little girl. When the little
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: girl ages out, hey hit the road. Well, dancy, that's
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: what we call it per version.
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: Perversion is when you cannot get aroused through sex with
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: the same age partner. You only have to go towards
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: children or something other than a partner, like a whip
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: or a chain or a shoe or something like this.
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: So this is a classic perversion. And what he did
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: was he brought these little girls in. He predated upon
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: them when they were at their most vulnerable age. But
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: he also they probably also groomed and stopped these little
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: girls so that they really could not get out of
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: the web. So yes, now we have the marker fourteen
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: years old. Now we know how they did it. It's
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: just it's all out there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: This whole thing was manufactured. I believe it's literally if
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: they could. Gillie Maxwell is a court proven liar.
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: Why is this liar being allowed to rewrite history when
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: we have a whole trial proving.
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: That almost everything she says is one hundred percent a lie.
• 29:55
  Speaker 9: I would like to announce here today us Epstein Survived
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: have been discussing creating our own list. We know the
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: names many of us were abused by them. Now together,
• 30:08
  Speaker 9: as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we all
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: know who regularly and who are regularly in the epsteam world.
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: And it will be done by survivors and for survivors.
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: No one else is involved.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: That fro. I'm at Rep. Thomas Massey on X.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: You are seeing the survivors in DC in the last
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: days demanding justice. Now, why you do rape victims have
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to band together and ask our federal government to quit lying.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: They are now getting together and compiling a client list,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: you know, the one that we've just been told, Yeah,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. But woh whoa who wo correct me
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, didn't BONDI state she had the client
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: list right there on her desk.
• 30:58
  Speaker 10: Listen, maybe releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: that really happen?
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: been a directive by President Trump, that from.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Our friends at Fox News, sitting on my desk right now.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Then we're told there is no client list. You want
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to tell me those little girls now adult women, don't
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: know who was raping them. Barry Levine, help me help me. Now,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: isn't a true, Levine, that based on your research.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And you didn't make this up.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: You got this from banks, you got it from flight logs,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: you got it from individuals all the way up the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: chain at the US Virgin Islands under our jurisdiction, that
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Epstein flew and feried little girls and delivered them to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: adult males like they were.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Pete says, just here, here you go, here's.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: The fourteen year old and the little girls were on
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: this island you're looking at right there, And what do
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: they even try to swim off and.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Couldn't make it? Isn't that true? And you want to
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: tell me, Levine.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows all those freaky old guys' names, Nancy.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: They do know these names. And the fact that the
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: government isn't investigating these third parties is absolutely disgusting. I
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: was at the press conference. I was with the women.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: The best thing that came out of it was the
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: fact that they themselves are going to draw up a
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: list of men who need to be investigated. And I
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: asked Congressman Massey after the press conference, I said, what
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: will you do with that list? And he said, Marjorie
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: Taylor Green has volunteered to read that list. On the
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: House floor, and.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: He said that.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: He told me that he would be proud to also
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: read that list. He said, if it's read on the
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: House floor, there's legal protections given them for naming these names.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: But we need to do this. It's said that we're
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: at this point now that it's going to take the
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: survivors themselves to draw up the list. Believer, then, because
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: the government.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I've got another idea, Levne.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Here's an idea, and I'm not sure the legal way
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: around it, but there is a legal way around it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And Morris is going to help me with that.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, based on what Barry Levne incredible about, guys,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the spider inside the tangle web of Jeffrey Epstein and
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Gilaine Maxwell.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Sidney, you and I spoke.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: To a civil lawyer that represented nine a counting of
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Epstein then little girl victims.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: They entered into civil suit settlements. Look at that smug
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: face of his. I could just rip his lips off.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Civil settlements and those girls could name corporate I guess
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: you would say clients of Epstein's that raped the little girls.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: But he was bound by attorney client privilege. When they
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: took the settlement, they were bound with an NBA could
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: never state the names of the men that raped them, remember.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Him absolutely, And while that was a step forward to
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: justice for these girls, it was a huge injustice.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: How many people are walking around having the best part
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking rank, who have raped minor
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: girls as young as fourteen years old, that's a freshman
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: in high school. Maybe. How many people are walking around
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: now with no consequences because of how this case was handled,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: how these ladies had to seek justice through civil means.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: It's horrifying.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: The attorney Spencer Cuban representing nine of these little girls,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and he knows the girls have named Epstein's clients. They
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: were handed over to these guys like Pizzas Bondy telling
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: me there is a client list. Now she's saying there's
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: not a client list. Now, all the victims banding together
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: saying they're going to create a client list from their
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: own memory. Greg Morris, is there any way to defeat
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: that attorney client privilege?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: We know that the girls can waive the privilege if
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: they want to, they're the client, they can wave it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: So what would hold back Spencer Cuban.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: From releasing those names or the rules releasing those names.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: Well, it is just that, I mean, the attorney client
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: privilege survives death. We got that ruling by the Supreme
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: Court during I believe the Clinton error. So there is
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: no way for Colvin, who's a very good lawyer, an
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: excellent lawyer in civil matters, to just break through the
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: attorney client privilege. And as a lawyer, why would you
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: do that. You're bound by your client and you should always.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Know the crimes. It can break it, Morse, the client can.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: Break it, and Ken of course client can. And as
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: far as these nds, it depends what is there a
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: financial penalty in it? Does anyone care about it? That
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: sign the agreement you may be able to look at.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: I don't know the verbage of the agreement, but if
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: there's something with not getting these formal records from the
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: government that they anticipated, you could maybe use that. Although
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: I don't think the government's a part of any of
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: those settlements.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I don't shake that NDA's apply to crimes, to violent crimes,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: like you can't sign off I will never reveal that
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you raped me, and Andy applies civilly.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: An NDA does apply civilly, but there's no criminal action here.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, the DOJ is not going to.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: An investatory right is a crime to you? No?
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, it's not going to be a crime.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: WHOA what?
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: No, it is a crime. But you're you're you're leaving
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: out the practical aspect of who would investigate this. The
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: federal government that is now run by Pam Bondy and
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump. So you have a different situation here when
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: you think someone's just going to come in and get
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: a list and file charges against people. This has been
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: there for twenty plus years. It has not been done.
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: No one has filed it. I live in this jurisdiction.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: I was practicing law wh Jeffrey Epstein's case went on.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: He had a phenomenal local lawyer down here, phenomenal lawyer,
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: and at the end of the day, nothing was done.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: And you're all these years later nothing conference.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Hold on, I got to go to Levan real quick
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and follow up on what you're saying. You know, earlier
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Bethany and Lynshaw were congratulating these women now coming forward.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: But Levine, this is my fear.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: We already know of multiple suicides estimates between five and twenty, yeah,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: twenty suicides connected to this case. Including Epstein's, including Virginia Geffrey.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Can they really all be suicides? Now? These women are
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: speaking out.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: That's Jeffrey when she was a little girl, when she
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: began being molested by Epstein, Barry Levine. I don't want
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: any of these women to end up dead and looking
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: like a suicide.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: That's a fear, that's a.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I can't believe we're saying this. It's like we're living
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in Moscow and we're afraid witnesses.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Are going to fall out of a window. What the
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: hey is going on? Nancy?
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: And I also want to correct one of the earlier guests.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: There were girls as young as twelve years old who
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: were put on planes to the Virgin Islands. There were enablers,
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: There were men in these Eastern European countries who took
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: money from Jeffrey Epstein. Senator Ron Whiten is going down
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: the financial trail. He said, there's forty seven hundred wire
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: transfers totally one billion dollars that was moved through Russian banks.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Money was exchanged hands. There are financial records that can
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: be tapped here to go after not only the men
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: who took part in the sex trafficking, but the enablers,
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: the men who put these girls on planes, who need
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: to be prosecuted. We need to get to the bottom
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: of all of this, and we also need to protect
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: each and every one of these survivors.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: In the Last Daystein now adult victims take on DC
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: demanding justice.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 40:05
  Speaker 10: There are many pieces of my story that I can't remember,
• 40:08
  Speaker 10: no matter how hard I try. The constant state of
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: wonder causes me so much fear and so much confusion.
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: My therapist is that my brain is just trying to
• 40:17
  Speaker 10: protect the self, but it's so hard to begin to
• 40:21
  Speaker 10: heal knowing that there are people out there who know
• 40:25
  Speaker 10: more about my abuse than I do. The worst part
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: is that the government is still in possession right now
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: of the documents and information about that could help me
• 40:45
  Speaker 10: remember and get over all of this, maybe and help
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: me heal. They have documents with my name on them
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: that were confiscated from Jeffrey Epstein's house and could help
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: me put the pieces of my own life back together.
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: But I don't have any of it, and I know
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  Speaker 10: the same is true for many of these women.
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  Speaker 2: That from at Rep.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey on ex Doctor Bethany and a nutshell. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: it true when a young person or any person lives
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  Speaker 1: through a highly traumatic event, such as being statutortally raped,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: you lose memory before, during, and after. You can lose
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: memory before, during, and after. And what she is saying,
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  Speaker 1: and that is Marina Lecarto speaking in Epstein victim, is
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  Speaker 1: that the answers to some of those questions are in
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  Speaker 1: these files.
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  Speaker 11: That's right, and she needs to see those files. And
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: not only do we lose memory when we are again
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  Speaker 11: raped or predated upon, but these girls are experiencing something
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  Speaker 11: called cumulative trauma where they're being retraumatized by the US
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  Speaker 11: government by knowing that these men who raped them are
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: still walking around and when right, So this is a
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  Speaker 11: big trauma situation for them and also for trauma victims,
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  Speaker 11: anything that is remotely similar to the original trauma reignites
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  Speaker 11: panic attacks.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly that was in a nutshale. Because I want
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  Speaker 1: you to hear another victim. This is Annie Farmer.
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  Speaker 13: My name is Annie Farmer, and I was sixteen years
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  Speaker 13: old when I was blown to New Mexico to spend
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  Speaker 13: a weekend with Epstein A Maxwell. That same year, nineteen
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  Speaker 13: ninety six, My sister Maria Farmer reported what happened to
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  Speaker 13: me there, along with reporting her own assaults at their
• 42:33
  Speaker 13: hands and their theft of sensitive photos of herself, of
• 42:38
  Speaker 13: me and our younger sister that she had taken for
• 42:41
  Speaker 13: her work as a figuritive painter.
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  Speaker 2: I am now forty six years old.
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  Speaker 13: Thirty years later, we still do not know why that
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  Speaker 13: report wasn't properly investigated, or why Epstein and his associates
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  Speaker 13: were allowed to harm hundreds, if not thousands of other
• 42:56
  Speaker 13: girls and young women. We have never been told whether
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  Speaker 13: those images were found when they discovered a large amount
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  Speaker 13: of child sexual abuse material on.
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  Speaker 1: His property that from at Rep. Thomas Massey on X. Now,
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  Speaker 1: having dealt with so many child rape and child molestation victims,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I would sometimes have to pull my car over on
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the street when I left the courthouse and just almost
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: feel sick or cry or try to figure out what
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  Speaker 1: I had just seen with victims and all of their pain.
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  Speaker 1: Think of these thousands of victims, literally thousands of victims
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  Speaker 1: that went through this as children.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to Hallie Robson.
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  Speaker 14: And when I got into the massage room, Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 14: undressed and asked me to do things to him. My
• 43:55
  Speaker 14: eyes walled up with tears, and I have never been
• 43:58
  Speaker 14: more scared in my life. When it was over, he
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: paid me two hundred dollars and requested in exchange that
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: I bring a girl each time to make another two
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  Speaker 14: hundred dollars. I told him I did not want to
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  Speaker 14: do that, and then he gave me an ultimatum. I
• 44:13
  Speaker 14: felt in hope to never hear from him again, but
• 44:15
  Speaker 14: he called me every day. He was so wealthy and powerful,
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  Speaker 14: and he would not let me go. I felt I
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  Speaker 14: had no choice if I disobeyed him. I knew something
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  Speaker 14: bad would happen.
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  Speaker 2: That from at Rep.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey on X Barry Levaine, Dear Lord in Heaven
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  Speaker 1: help us.
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  Speaker 2: They describe the saying you.
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  Speaker 1: Were there when all of these victims were speaking out,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: and it's just happened, and it's like Bonnie's not even
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: responding to it.
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  Speaker 5: Nancy. These women now have taken it upon themselves because
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  Speaker 5: the government has been lying to us. They have refused
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  Speaker 5: to release the files. They've given us the run around
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: as to the material that they've put out to the
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  Speaker 5: committee of ninety seven percent of it is in the
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: public domain. Already they're at witch end. But what they
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: have is the ability to come together among themselves and
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: appeal to the country. And yesterday at the press conference,
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: they were able to stand together and to show the
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: American public that they are not a hoax, that what
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: happened to them was real.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: And as to Gilain Maxwell, who has just been moved
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: to a cushy.
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  Speaker 2: Prison, it's more like a dormitory.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: This is what a victim Menisco di Giorgio has to
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: say about Maxwell.
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  Speaker 4: If Gilen Maxwell were pardoned, it would.
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  Speaker 7: Undermine all the sacrifices I made to testify and make
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: mockery of mine and all survive of suffering.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: That from at Rep.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey on x Glaine Maxwell Windshaw, founder Director's Warriors,
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  Speaker 1: dedicated stopping sex trafficking, she is in a cushy dorm
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: style penitentiary with for Pete's sake, a real housewife, jogging.
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  Speaker 2: And having cooking classes. She is a child sex predator.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: If this woman gets a pardon, there will be a
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  Speaker 1: march on capital Gleeen.
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  Speaker 12: Maxwell can never receive a pardon. We work with a
• 46:30
  Speaker 12: lot of these victims of theirs of Epstein Maxwell. We
• 46:34
  Speaker 12: know a lot of them when she was transferred recently
• 46:37
  Speaker 12: to this cushy compound she's in where she can go
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  Speaker 12: out and get coffee in town or a library book.
• 46:43
  Speaker 12: This is what forced these women, they said, we have
• 46:46
  Speaker 12: to do something more. Look what's happening, what a disservice
• 46:49
  Speaker 12: our American government is doing right now? This is not
• 46:52
  Speaker 12: about politics. This is about truth and transparency soon human
• 46:56
  Speaker 12: trafficking that we fight at the Warriors day in and
• 46:59
  Speaker 12: day out for victims. She is a predator, a criminal,
• 47:03
  Speaker 12: Glaine Maxwell, and she is a sex trafficker, and she's
• 47:06
  Speaker 12: getting special services and I'm sure she's getting her vegan
• 47:09
  Speaker 12: meals whatever she's doing there her spa. You know, she
• 47:11
  Speaker 12: has a SPA available to her. I ask you, this
• 47:14
  Speaker 12: is what made these women come forward. Where are we
• 47:16
  Speaker 12: going now with this? Because the track record has been
• 47:20
  Speaker 12: lies after lies after lies. But thank goodness for these
• 47:23
  Speaker 12: Internet salutes who don't let anything get by them and
• 47:26
  Speaker 12: saw this new video, this minute missing. Where are we
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: going now? I fear for the victims. I fear for
• 47:32
  Speaker 12: these survivors because they are very fragile, They're very traumatized.
• 47:35
  Speaker 12: They break out into crying when we talk to them
• 47:37
  Speaker 12: because nobody has really really helped them. And I just
• 47:41
  Speaker 12: bring you back to one thing. For Ginia Giuffrey, she
• 47:44
  Speaker 12: we were told she committed suicide. End of story, closed book.
• 47:48
  Speaker 12: There are so many more women out there that have
• 47:51
  Speaker 12: not come forward, and they were miners at the time.
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: I'm going to say again, twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year
• 47:56
  Speaker 12: old girls, miners, Where are we going now? As society
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: must stand up and empower and engage with all of
• 48:04
  Speaker 12: these survivors and demand justice.
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  Speaker 1: Now we wait as justice God willing reigns down and
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: we now stop, and we honor American.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Heroes, heroes that are brave enough to speak out.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I'm referring to the now adult Epstein victims, children, all
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: of them at the time they were raped repeatedly by
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Epstein and his friends.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Who are the friends? Will we ever find out?
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Or will we be deaf, dumb and blind to what
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: is right under our nose? How many victims and witnesses
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: have already committed suicide? Estimates between five that I can
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: name on my hands and twenty. What risk do these
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: women face as they speak out? Nancy Grace signing off,
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  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,